1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony as to the 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: charge of first degree murder. We the jury finally defendant 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: not guilty. Somewhere out there, the devil is dancing tonight. 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Anthony's finally 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: reveal what they think really happened at Kaylee. I don't 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: believe that she drowned in this pool. I don't believe 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: that that's a bunch of crap. I believe that Casey 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: paid her something. Hey, we didn't make up. I have 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: to forgive her because if I don't forgive her, then 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to live with myself. 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: Am I ever going to speak to my daughter again? 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: We're done right now. This is the most agitated and 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: frustrated that I've been, even when I sat with Jose 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and I watched that episode of the Nancy Greece. Well, 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: she has reared her head again. Three things that don't 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: mix Booze taught Mom, Casey Anthony, and babies. But hello 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: and behold. When I log on this morning, I see 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: a picture of top mom Casey Anthony sitting behind an 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: empty picture of what looks to be seeing Grilla or Margarita's. 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: You know what, top mom, have at it, drink all 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: you want. But then when you add a baby to 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the mix and you put the baby and tat mom's arms, 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: who was just tried for murdering her child, It's not 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: a good look. I mean, Sey Grace, this is crime Stories. 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me, is Alan Duke. 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I want to pause and thank our sponsor, our partner 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: today making our podcast possible. 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When 53 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I saw this trending this morning, I realized that I 54 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: needed to pray for you, because I knew you had 55 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: had to drive the twins to school, and I was 56 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: just being that you would make it without an accident. 57 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: I really did, I mean, come on. And then there's 58 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: reports out of the Orlando Sentinel at the very same 59 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: time claiming that she says her life is pointless and boring. Okay, 60 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: just last week she was spotted coming out of a bar, 61 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: and a few months ago she was saying it was 62 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: in March, because I remember we were on r V 63 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: trip with twins that she was saying how men still 64 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: find her attractive and buy her drinks in bars. And 65 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think I would be bragging 66 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: about that if I were taught mom. But I also 67 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: noticed that she takes these posed photos and then sells 68 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: them to the tabloids. That's how she's making her living 69 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: off these photos. Alan, I think though this was a 70 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: very clever person who took this photo. They knew what 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: they were doing, and Casey probably didn't really realize this 72 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: was an NBC producer. Please stop, Casey, I think it 73 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: was my well, I mean that she was she was 74 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: being she was being set up and used by this producer. Okay, 75 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: you know what you need to stop, Alan, Alan, don't 76 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: make me cut your mic because I know you're more 77 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: technically savvy than me, but I will do it. Don't 78 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: talk to me about Top Mom being set up. I 79 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: control the mike here. That's the good thing that's in 80 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: my contract, Top Mom. It's not set up top mom 81 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: sells photos to make money, but what bothers me is 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: seeing her in front of an empty picture of what 83 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: looks to be seeing Gria or Margarita's clearly having been drinking. 84 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I wasn't there, I didn't 85 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: smell her breath. But look at the picture and then 86 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: you put a baby in her arms. I mean, wait 87 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: a minute, booze top mom. Baby. It didn't turn out 88 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: very well last time. Remember Keeley ended up dead, and 89 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: now a baby in her arms is just wrong. Again. 90 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I don't even think she knew 91 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: these pictures were being taken, and I believe that they 92 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: were sold. But if you look at the angle, they 93 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: were kind of secretly taken from a lower angle. And 94 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: I understand from TMC that these were taken by a 95 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: producer for NBC who was there meeting with Casey Anthony. Well, 96 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: I read that it was the producers. Hold on, read 97 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: a little bit further. It says it was the producer's baby. 98 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: Now hold on, just a moment, not right, Alan, Alan, 99 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: put on those glasses. Put on your glasses, because the 100 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: got her with the baby are not taken at a 101 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: weird angle In fact, in one of them, it looks 102 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: like the baby is doing a backband to get away 103 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: from top mom, Like the baby knows, hey, this is 104 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: way wrong. It's a lower angle. Look. I gotta think, 105 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: how would I do this if, let's say, for some reason, 106 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony sat down at lunch with me to talk 107 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: about a project. Maybe I was going to interview her 108 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: on this podcast or something, right, would I be tempted 109 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to bring my grandchildren or one of my grandchildren there 110 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: just to see how she would react? And if I did, 111 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: what I let Casey Anthony hold my two year old grandson, 112 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: And if she did, would I be tempted to take 113 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: a picture. I think the answers for this producer were 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: all yes, yes, and yes, And that's how we see 115 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: these pictures. And I don't think Casey made a dime 116 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: off of the pictures. Alan, can you please get your 117 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: head out of well, there's a lot of can say 118 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: right there, but out of the producer story. I don't 119 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: know who the producer is, and I don't care who 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: the producer is, Okay, I'm talking about Tot Mom. Tot Mom, 121 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: the one that was tried for murder of her child. 122 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Quit talking about the producer. She was acquitted by the 123 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: way this woman was acquitted. You know what, I gotta go. 124 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: I can't keep doing this because I'm not talking about 125 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: some anonymous NBC producer. That's not my point. My point 126 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: is that top Mom is apparently drinking and holding a 127 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: baby and claiming and whining about her life is pointless. 128 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: You know, here's something she could do. She says that 129 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: she spends her days watching TV, quote playing on the internet, 130 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: and being bored. You know, when I was little, if 131 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: I said one time to my mother, I was bored, 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: and you know what she did. Alan She gave me 133 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: a toothbrush and some ajax and said, hey, you know 134 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: all those tiles that are on the bathroom wall, go 135 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: use this toothbrush and ajax and clean between the tiles. 136 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: That was the last time I ever said I was bored. 137 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: Bored is what you It's your own creation. Look around, 138 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: get your get your head out of your own life. 139 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: Look at all the people that need help, all the 140 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: and misery, all the volunteering that you could do to 141 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: make a man's taught mom. Quit thinking about yourself and 142 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: think about other people for a big change. Quit spending 143 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: your time drinking at lunchtime and whining about your life. 144 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: Go do something for other people. Not only that, she 145 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: could spend her time mending fences with her parents, who 146 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: seemed to me to be good in decent people that 147 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: she threw under the bus. How about that? And maybe 148 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: a little therapy with a professional might help instead of 149 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: picking up guys in a bar and bragging about it. 150 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: How about that? That's some idea. Those are a few 151 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: ideas she could work on, Alan, Duke Board, I agree 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: with you absolutely on that. Let's just hope that she 153 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: doesn't break the boredom in a way that is going 154 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: to send you off the cliff, because there are a 155 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: lot of things she could do. You know another thing, Alan, 156 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty two plus two equals four. Maybe 157 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: her pictures that she's selling to the tablet points are 158 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: not selling as well as she'd like, and so she thinks, 159 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: what could I get good money for me holding a baby? 160 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: What would make people go crazy and get angry and 161 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: sell more pictures other than me top mom holding a baby? 162 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, I think she's crazy like a fox. She 163 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: knew this would sell and it's probably making a mint 164 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: off these photos. I mean, really, I thought they I 165 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: thought that the expressions on her face when it was 166 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: just her sitting there like she's involved in a conversation, 167 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: they all look fake to me. They all look like 168 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: they're posed, like look surprised, look interested, you know, That's 169 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: what it looked like to me. It looked like a fake. 170 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: If they faked them, they went to great trouble to 171 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: make them look real, because they're not very good pictures. Well, 172 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: I can tell you this much. That picture of heart 173 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: herror holding a kneborn and the knee born like you know, 174 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: stretching the craning back away for her. You know, babies 175 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: and and and dogs. You know, they know, they know. Okay, 176 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: so that baby looks like he's crying. It's like, mom, please, 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: don't you know who she is? Mom? Even I know. Well, 178 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I really think that top Mom 179 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: knew these photos were being taken of her and the baby, 180 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: because nothing would create controversy like top Mom with a baby. 181 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: And it worked. And she's making money off really her notoriety, 182 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: her infamy because of her dead child, Kelly, which is 183 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: just another way of victimizing Kelly. That's what this is. 184 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: She's making money because she was accused in the murder 185 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: of her child. That's what this is is blood money. 186 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: Who brings their two year old to a meeting with 187 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: top Mom and with booze. Yeah, I'm just still reeling 188 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: from that. And it's obviously planned. I mean, it's in 189 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: a restaurant in Clearwater, California. She's out on my side 190 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: of the country right now, and the person brings their 191 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: two year old. I kind of questioned that, and that's 192 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: why I think it is a set up. It's not 193 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: clear Water, Florida. No, it's California. It's out here. It's 194 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: out here, Nancy, she's out here. She is out in 195 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: my territory. I need to go and check on my grandkids. 196 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Run run, That's all I can say. And Nancy, let's 197 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: thank our sponsors Simply Safe. 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I'm telling you, I said he 207 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: danced on the day she was acquitted. Will He's laughing 208 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: and counting that blood money tonight, money she's making off 209 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: these photos. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, Goodbye friend,