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Speaker 1: and we finally worked to prove that Chuck Berry had

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Speaker 1: or get whereas sixty five percent of white people have

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00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: dogs or cats in their household. What do you think

426
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: do you think that's an income thing like income disparity.

427
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a great that's that's actually one of

428
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: the main things that people sort of point to in

429
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: terms of the challenged relationship that black people have had

430
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: over the years with dog ownership. Right, And this is

431
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: something pretty simple that never fucking occurred to me until

432
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: I started to do this research, that black people didn't

433
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: we weren't considered people for a really long time in

434
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: this country, right, Like that that just was part of

435
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: the deal that like literally up until eighteen seventy black

436
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: men weren't even allowed to vote or or or sort

437
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: of like exist on the ballot. And then it isn't

438
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: until like a hundred years later that black women are

439
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: allowed to exist on the ballot. And so, uh, we're

440
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: not people. There's no way they're not making us people

441
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: and letting us own dogs, you know what I mean,

442
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Like they you're not allowed to have a fucking dog

443
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: if you're not a person as far as the white

444
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: man is concerned, I would presume, right, It's like it's

445
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: like letting the cow on the dog. Yeah, what the

446
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: fun need a dog? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I never thought

447
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: about like that. Yeah, that's damn sure. And so with that,

448
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: the additional part that they sort of point to is

449
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: that it also meant that by the time that we

450
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: do start to to create freedom in this country, as

451
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: it were, we're not immediately launched into wealth, right, Like,

452
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: it's not like we suddenly have a bunch of money

453
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: to be able to play around with. And so because

454
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: of that, pet ownership isn't an asset, It isn't a

455
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: thing that you're seeking out. It's a liability. If anything,

456
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: it's just another mouth to feed, which means a lot

457
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: of black people especially early in this country, had no

458
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: interest in adding another party to their They're already growing problems. Yeah,

459
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: another side effect of us not getting reparations. Yes, I mean,

460
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: have we gotten for the acres and a mule? Maybe

461
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: we've beuld have let a couple of dogs run around

462
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: on those acres. You know, I don't need a You

463
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: will give me two dogs stacked on top of each

464
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: other the size of the meal. Yeah, give me. Give

465
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: me a plot of land to cultivate, and maybe I

466
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: can sell things at the market. Maybe I have some

467
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: disposable income to teach a dog a few tricks, or

468
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: or have had to act at an income to the family. Exactly.

469
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: I I want to I want to feed a dog,

470
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: but I need you to to do right by me first.

471
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: I want to be able to to keep a dog alive,

472
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: but I need you to to to repair this broken

473
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: relationship white devil. In fact, in fact, how many black

474
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: people have one that that that you know that dog

475
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: show they have Westminster? Yeah? How many? You're looking it

476
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: up now, I will say, while you're looking it up,

477
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: one of the things I found is that Cosby actually

478
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: at one point owned a dog that was a potential

479
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: winner for the Westminster Dog Show. That he was like,

480
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: the cars had a dog that was about to in

481
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: it all, and what happened he rape probably it probably

482
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: happens kissed it while he was sleeping, you know. Glass

483
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: of guys. So it looks like black people shine. They

484
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: shine at the Seen National Dog Show. Okay, does that

485
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: mean they wonder? Does that mean they just showed up,

486
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: oiled up and and happy to be there? Oh man,

487
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: this is one of those local papers that writes like

488
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: a like a paragraph and doesn't give you anymore. Yeah,

489
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: they didn't win. That just meant like there was more

490
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: representation than than any year before. You know, yeah, and

491
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: see and I see this is gonna take further research

492
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: because I didn't realize they make a distinction between the

493
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: owners and the trainers. Yeah. And it also to win

494
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: it all is is a different thing than winning your category.

495
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: And it's it's, uh, I think, a much more involved

496
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: thing than I anticipated, certainly, but I did just about that.

497
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Even though Labradors are the most popular breed in the

498
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: United States, they've never won best in Show at Westminst.

499
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: That actually reminds me of something we've talked about on

500
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: the podcast before as well. Is have you ever heard

501
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: of anything called black dog syndrome. No, Oh, the harder

502
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: to adopt. Yeah, not harder to adopt. They're easy to adopt,

503
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: but they are harder for the adoption agencies and and

504
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of like the kennels to get rid of because

505
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: of I guess, and inherent racism that white people already

506
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: have against black things, that that they're less likely to

507
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: buy or or adopt black animals. And the argument that

508
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: white people make for this is that they don't show

509
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: up as well in pictures. But yeah, yeah, we know,

510
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I know when when I went down again,

511
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: when I went when I was trying to find an

512
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: animal at the shelter, it was that it was it

513
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: was black dogs and great dogs. Yeah, yeah, where it

514
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: was full of black and gray dogs and black cats. Yeah.

515
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Apparently they they ain't think moving off the shelf too fast,

516
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. But but now people say they don't

517
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: show up well in pictures. But I think this was

518
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: an issue well before social media exactly, And that's that's

519
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: more My challenge to whatever that suggestion is is that like,

520
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: if this were in fact just a picture issue, it

521
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: would be a more recent issue. But the reality is

522
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: y'all have an inherent bias against things of this color,

523
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: and maybe we need to explore that and not just

524
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: scapegoaded through like no, my camera, you don't know how

525
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: to capture my dog and I want to film it,

526
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: so I can't love this thing. Yeah, And to be

527
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: fair though, cameras, you know, I don't I know every

528
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: black person who has experienced this, but it wasn't until

529
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: just recently like the ass on twelve, where those cameras

530
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: started putting the box around black faces more easily. Or

531
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: unless the whole photo was black people it you know,

532
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: you would it would it would? It would be like

533
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: confused because I think they would only they would test

534
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: it on in Japan. They would only test it on

535
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Japanese people. Well, I would say this as a light

536
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: skinned man. I've been very fortunate that iPhone has been

537
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: able to recognize me for a while. But I've I've

538
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: heard tell of of the darker skinned man's experience, and

539
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I will say that that is still true even for

540
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: fucking those sensors with like bathrooms, like with like putting

541
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: my hand under sinks and ships like it don't even

542
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: pick me up, and I should be easy to to

543
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: turn the faucet on for Oh, I see, I didn't know.

544
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that that was why that was happening.

545
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I think so, I think it's not great calibration for

546
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: dark skin. And and that's true for cameras as well,

547
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: that it isn't until recently that cameras were even built

548
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: in a way that they could hand seeing dark skin.

549
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: It's like you have to smile with the attitude, are

550
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: you yeah? Exactly? Now you gotta show them teeth. And

551
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: we don't all look good with our teeth showing. Some

552
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: of us look good with a you know, a closed

553
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: mouse smile exactly, A little just little grant. So here's

554
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: here's another thing. And this sort of connects to what

555
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you were saying about the the poverty of it all

556
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: that I did not realize. But because of the lack

557
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: of pet ownership, right, or rather the struggles of pet

558
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: ownership when you don't have a lot of money. There

559
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: there are lots of of of examples I guess historically

560
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: where even when people attempted pet ownership, the powers that

561
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: being made it more challenging. For example, in the early

562
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: twentieth century, there were in fact laws that banned people

563
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: who were on welfare from pet ownership. They weren't allowed

564
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: to have pets if they were on welfare. WHOA. So

565
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that meant because of that, this was not only a

566
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: way to weaponize dogs against black people in the sense

567
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: that like, you can't have one without risking your own

568
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: safety because of this odd relationship that that sort of

569
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: white people created with you know, German shepherds attacking and ship.

570
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: But even if you wanted a dog, you could be

571
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: potentially risking your house and home by having one if

572
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: a social worker shows up. There are stories of people

573
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: hiding their dogs when social workers come to check on

574
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: the home to make sure that they don't like lose

575
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: their funding or their public housing or whatever. It is,

576
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: all because of these odd laws. Man. I had no idea. Yeah, man,

577
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: it was just like the Ronald Reagan welfare queenship. He

578
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: was like us, you're running around in the Cadillac with

579
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: a new weaves in the vaccine. I wish it was

580
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: that late in history. No, I don't wish it was

581
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: that late, but it's actually even earlier. It's it's it's

582
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: like much earlier in the twentieth century that this is happening,

583
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: which makes it even sadder, right, because these are if

584
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about periods of reconstruction, and even if we

585
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: push all the way into you know, the Great Depression

586
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: and all these times, if white people were having a

587
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: bad time during this point, black people were having a

588
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: much harder time and much more in need of these

589
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: social services. And then subsequently, white people are creating all

590
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: kinds of barriers to not only make accessing those social

591
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: services harder, but also to keep you from experiencing a

592
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: type of joy that maybe you otherwise would like to experience.

593
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: What is a dog? You know, dogs make people happy,

594
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: they make people feel good to have around them, and

595
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: they're making sure people can't. But you have to also

596
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: remember the whole basis of like American racism, right, it

597
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: was it wasn't to just shift on black people, but

598
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: it was too. It was to plagukate poor whites by

599
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: by giving them someone that's poorer. Sure, at their poorest

600
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: they needed they you know, it's it's it was hard

601
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: for a poor white to see a black person with

602
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: a dog when they can't afford a dog. I mean,

603
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: it's that kind of ship. It's because people do the

604
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: same thing with welfare. And now, like you see it

605
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: would be you know, the cash has complaining because somebody

606
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: paying with food stamps and they got an iPhone. How

607
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: to fun this? I can't qualify from food stamps. How

608
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: you got an iPhone. It's that kind of thing. It's

609
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to be poorer than me, and it's

610
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: like the iPhone is not a reflection of of my poverty,

611
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: is a reflection of something i've I've gotten access to.

612
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: You don't know how the funk I got this iPhone

613
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: or why I need this iPhone for? Didn't give me this,

614
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a gift. I stole it.

615
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: It ain't none of your business. It truly has nothing

616
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: to do with you. And please still count my poverty

617
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: wherever you count, like I'm still as poor as I

618
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: was before with the iPhone. Ring up the king crabs, right,

619
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: I might be allergic to regular as food. I might

620
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: need king crab legs for for my survival, ring up

621
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: these state medallions. So I'm glad you brought that up,

622
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: because one of the things that I found even more

623
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: sinister underneath all of this, and this one blew my

624
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: fucking mind, or at least it didn't then blow my mind.

625
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: None of this blows my mind, but it definitely gave

626
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: me pause. Is that there are studies that show that

627
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: pet ownership has a positive benefit on the human body,

628
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: on literally our our own health and functionality. Right, they

629
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: say that pets by owning pets, people who own pets

630
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: decreased have decreased loneliness, lower blood pressure, and increased socialization.

631
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: So it's literally making you a healthier person to own pets.

632
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: And I would argue that there's a real chance that

633
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: like the powers that be have have created this tumultuous

634
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: relationship with dogs and cats for black people as a

635
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: way of shortening our lifespan. Mm hm man, that's that's wow.

636
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: That's yeah, man, Yeah, you might have learned me something today,

637
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: because yeah, that that that has to be what it

638
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: is that fits into the larger conspiracy against our people.

639
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Speaker 1: I think. So they don't want us to have dogs

640
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: because they want us to have high blood pressure, which

641
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: is something that we suffer from over over the the

642
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: average or whatever. And yeah, increased loneliness. I like that.

643
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Speaker 1: So all of this as I sort of like found

644
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: myself accumulating this research, it all felt like this weird

645
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: chess move for me. To almost abuse black peop pool

646
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Speaker 1: with an animal. They call black people cold, hot hearted

647
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: monsters for not liking right that, Like you spent generations

648
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: using dogs to attack black people. Both uh enslaved black

649
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Speaker 1: people all the way through fucking civil rights movement, and

650
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: even today there's plenty of footage you can find today

651
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Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about and it's dogs, it's horses, it's

652
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: all the animals that police love to use. But like

653
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about those fucking Haitian refugees who were being

654
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: sort of like whipped and and wrangled by the people

655
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Speaker 1: on the border on horseback and like with dogs running

656
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Speaker 1: next to them, and ship and all of this is

657
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: sort of like this intentional move to be like, yo,

658
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Speaker 1: we're gonna weaponize these animals against you. And then when

659
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: you go, hey I don't like that animal, you go, hey,

660
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: you're you're a bad guy, bro, Why would you not

661
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: like it? Yeah, that's that's that's crazy. The other thing

662
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: that I think is intentionally happens with a lot of

663
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Speaker 1: these things. To say, they love to point to our

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Speaker 1: most hyperbolic examples, right that, Like obviously Michael Vick it

665
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: did some pretty fucked up ship with dogs and had

666
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: a complicated relationship with animals in general, I imagine, But

667
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Speaker 1: Michael Vick is not necessarily representative of all Black people,

668
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Speaker 1: certainly in terms of our relationship with animals. That motherfucker

669
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: ain't like me in a lot of ways. And you

670
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I can't run that fast, throw

671
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: that far, or do any of the things Michael VICKI

672
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Speaker 1: I certainly don't have his taste in dog blood, you

673
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But also it's like I feel

674
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: like people would kind of harsh on him. I mean, listen,

675
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't running the dog ring. He funded it. If

676
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: he gave his look, if he gave his the same

677
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: family members money to open up a chicken spot, nobody

678
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: would have batted an eye, even though they slaughtering thousands

679
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: of chickens. So you can have Louisiana hot or yeah,

680
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: or I forget what they call it. You know what

681
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying is like, just so you can have chicken strips,

682
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: all the ship that has to happen to an animal

683
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: before that, like you're raising him just to chop their

684
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: heads off. Nobody would have a problem with that. He

685
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: was you know, he was keeping these dogs alive long

686
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Speaker 1: enough to you know what, I'm not just how's that saying?

687
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're defending uh, Michael Vick right now,

688
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: and and yeah, but but but I just feel like

689
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: some of those same people they go to these hot

690
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: chicken spots out here knowing, knowing what happened to them chickens.

691
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Speaker 1: So I'm not both things are wrong, That's what I'm saying.

692
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Speaker 1: I'm not vegan, but but I have accepted that I

693
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: don't have an argument against vegans. They just taste good

694
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: and and I'm evil in that way. Yeah, I I

695
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: do think. But to your your your point and maybe

696
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: a grander point to build from this is the fact

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: that Michael Vicks sort of got taken down as like

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Speaker 1: a person funding this ring, but he wasn't. We weren't

699
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: then looking at how far these branches extend out to,

700
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Speaker 1: like the breeders or the other people who may have

701
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: provided some of the the assets to make this dog

702
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: fighting ring happen. They're just going, you are a target.

703
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: We will put you in prison as the face of

704
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: animal cruelty. And the reality is there's plenty of evidence

705
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: that all the people who are who are intentionally making

706
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: more and more of these dogs that they know are

707
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: are less healthy and less able to defend themselves function

708
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: out in society. Are also doing a very cruel thing

709
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: and should be held accountable, if nothing else, for what

710
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: they're doing. Yeah, those dogs with the long bodies, they

711
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: always got hips. Ye people still people still want them

712
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: just because they cut I had a I had a

713
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: pug when I was in college, and I found out

714
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: just from studying pugs and ship that they they weren't

715
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: even the reason pugs exist. This because the emperor in

716
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: China wanted to make a dog that looked like a monkey,

717
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: and so he went to his scientists people and said, hey,

718
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: get me a monkey dog, and they came back with

719
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: a pug. And then those motherfucker's don't live past ten

720
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: because they're mutants, because this this emperor was like, give

721
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: me a fucking mutant to please me. It's it's all cruel.

722
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: We're all doing bad things to these animals. We just

723
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: pick and choose which which version of this we're gonna

724
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Speaker 1: call monstrous. All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll

725
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: be back with more Brian lives in it. More. My

726
00:44:35,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: mama told me we are that. No, no, no, oh, yeah,

727
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: we're back here with more, Brian Simpson. More. My mama

728
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: told me we're still talking about the possibility that black

729
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: people do not like dogs, and maybe this entire negative

730
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: relationship was cooked up by the white devil himself, that

731
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: this is not black people being cruel, evil people, but

732
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: instead it is the white man choosing to create a

733
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: tumultuous relationship between us. Brian, Let's play a game. This

734
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: is the point in the podcast where we we like

735
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: to play a game and and today's game, our our

736
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: game this week is the game very popular game on

737
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: the show. It's it's a game called white Lie Ugly.

738
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: You're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you. Give me two white lies.

739
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: This is a fun game, Brian, where I am going

740
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: to introduce to you a popular conspiracy theory in the

741
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: white community. And what I would love for you to

742
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: do is break down why you think white people are

743
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: so committed to this conspiracy theory. Why do you think

744
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: they stick with this? What do you think these sneaky

745
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: motherfucker's are up to? That makes sense? Hell yeah, So

746
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: this is a fun one. Apparently, there are some people

747
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: who believe there are some conspiracy theorists who believe that

748
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: wind farms cause cancer. That there's cancer being caused by

749
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: wind farms, not because of the wind that's being created,

750
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: but instead the noise from the wind farms leads to

751
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: cancer in the body. This is a real argument that

752
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: people are making that when the noise from wind farms

753
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: is leading to cancer. My question for you, Brian, why

754
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: do white people believe that? M M. I don't know, man,

755
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe they hear the cries of our slave

756
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: ancestors sneaking through the woods at night in the wind. Uh,

757
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: They're like that this is carrying the wind that I

758
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't want winding my way exactly. And so by hearing

759
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: all of that, they get sick in their bodies unintentionally

760
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: in a way that they otherwise would not have if

761
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have to hear those. Their bodies so violently

762
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: rejects the old Negro spirituals that they start developing tumors.

763
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: It reminds me. I love this. It reminds me of

764
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory we've talked about before on this podcast,

765
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: of the theory that hurricanes are the souls of dead slaves.

766
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that? So apparently hurricanes only really exist,

767
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: certainly in this country coming across the Atlantic. That they're

768
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: born off the coast of Africa and then come travel

769
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: basically the route of the trans Atlantic slave trade to

770
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: touch America. So that's why they always are moving sort

771
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: of like westward and then slightly like arcing in that way. Yeah, exactly.

772
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: And so there are arguments to say that these are

773
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: the souls of the people who did not make it,

774
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: basically seeking redemption by attacking the country via the wind.

775
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: And this is a conspiracy theory. No, this is black folks,

776
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: black folks, they were These are our superhero stories that

777
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: that Marvel didn't write, you know what I mean? All right, right,

778
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: I thought hurricanes came for gays gay stuff? Is it?

779
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: Is it old slaves that hate gays' old gay slaves? Okay,

780
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm listening. Yeah, so these old gay slaves are blowing

781
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: their way to the country, and nobody was nice. I

782
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: can't imagine people were nice to old gay slaves. So

783
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: they're like, I'll funk all y'all up, I don't care

784
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: who's Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that that would have been really

785
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: difficult to be a gay slave for sure. Yeah, because

786
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: you're getting it on both sides. You getting whipped for

787
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: being a slave, but then you're getting whipped for being gay? Right,

788
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: and how do you even secretly? How do you even

789
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: know what to call it? I think they gay is

790
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: not a new invention. I think they had a pretty

791
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: sense of like, yeah, I see the way he came

792
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: out to field. This is great, Brian. I think we

793
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: did it. I think I think we nailed this episode.

794
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: This is this is really fun. Could you tell the

795
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: people at home where they can find you and what

796
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: cool ship you have going on? Yeah, you can find

797
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: me at bs Comedian on Twitter and Instagram. You can

798
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: click on my link tree. You'll see that I got

799
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of things going on. I'm

800
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: gonna be at the Irvine in Problem February nine and ten.

801
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be at Madison, Wisconsin and Comedy on State

802
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: on February. I'mna be in uh in Bakersfield or March five,

803
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: and then Punchline Philly in April a seventh, eighth, Kim

804
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: and then oh the Netflix Festival at the end of

805
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: April night. Yeah. Yeah, so it's probably the other stuff

806
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: in between that as well, so you know, but just

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Speaker 1: click on my lenk tree. It's all there. Keep a

808
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Speaker 1: look out for my own podcast is being relaunched very soon.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we'll go go to any of those shows.

810
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: Brian's got a ship ton of them, and follow Brian

811
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: and go watch his Netflix special. It's so funny. Hell yeah,

812
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: watch watch the special and then go see them live.

813
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: That's you better do it, bit or I'll kill you.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I say. And as always, you can

815
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Speaker 1: follow me at Lanston Kerman on all the platforms, and

816
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: please please please remember to subscribe, remember to review comments,

817
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: do whatever that bullshit is you're meant to do. And

818
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Speaker 1: as always, if you have your own conspiracy theories, your

819
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: own opinions, your your your drops that you want to

820
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Speaker 1: send me, you can send them to my Mama pod

821
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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. I would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know. Bye, bitch, because I'm brown bags

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Speaker 1: my crop chips in your bails O Koala bears are racist,

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Speaker 1: the wholestal players, wholescal money versions, many turkey stuff. I

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Speaker 1: can't tell me noth