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Speaker 1: Cold Zone Media. Hey, it's Shamie here, just quickly saying

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Speaker 1: if you live in the Los Angeles area, I'm starting

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Speaker 1: Kill Me. Don't ask, just show up. It's super silly.

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Speaker 1: I'll be doing it at the Lyric Hyperion in workshop

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Speaker 1: form on November one and November twentieth, and tickets are

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know when tickets are on sale to that.

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Speaker 1: The Tiny Man Is Going to Kill Me. And with that,

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Speaker 1: here's our Ken Bone Part two episode Bye. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to sixteenth Minute, the show where we talk to the

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Speaker 1: Internet's characters of the day and see how their moment

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus and this week is part

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Speaker 1: two of two of our Ken Bone series. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't listened to part one, scroll down. King You've got this.

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Speaker 1: But if you're only here because you want to hear

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Speaker 1: the dulcent tones of Ken himself, you're in the right place.

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Speaker 1: It's now been eight years since Ken became an overnight sensation,

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Speaker 1: creating what many thought was an irrational amount of media

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Speaker 1: attention after asking a question at a presidential town hall

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Speaker 1: debate in twenty sixteen, a particularly awkward and creepy event

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Speaker 1: between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. You can hear all

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Speaker 1: about the context of why Ken was so popular and

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Speaker 1: what the history of these American debates are in Part one.

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Speaker 1: But this week I'm going to let Ken take the mic.

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Speaker 1: Here is our interview. Okay, Ken vone, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Ry, how are you today?

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Speaker 1: How are things in your world right now? I'm realizing

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Speaker 1: that I've known who you are for the better part

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Speaker 1: of a decade now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're coming up on the a anniversary of me

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Speaker 2: becoming a meme, which is weird. It has changed a

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Speaker 2: just because I'm older now, I have more grey hair,

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Speaker 2: and my son is a grown adult now as graduated

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Speaker 1: Are you still living in the same place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I live in the same house I lived in

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Speaker 2: when it all happened. I've been here in this house

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Speaker 2: for I think this is eleven years this month since

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Speaker 2: we had it built. You know, still largely the same.

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Speaker 2: I work at the same job. I have a different

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Speaker 2: the same place for fifteen years now and still the

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Speaker 2: same family situation and everything. I've been married for twenty

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Speaker 1: And this is now your third presidential election as a

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Speaker 2: The last three or four months, since the elections started

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Speaker 1: It is well that you havecome synonymous with the concept

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could. I mean, they don't really do debates

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Speaker 2: the same way they did. My debate was the town

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Speaker 2: my channel. No, you have to come on my channel.

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Speaker 2: You have to come where people will be sympathetic to me. Oh, no,

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Speaker 2: you have to come. It's disgusting. It's our political climate

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm you know. My real name is Ken Boone.

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Speaker 2: I was named after my grandfather, who was also Kenneth Bone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never did much of a problem with bullying.

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Speaker 1: How far ahead did you know you're going to attend

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Speaker 2: You know, No, I think folks like in your generation

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Speaker 1: And we'll be right back with ken Bone. You get

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Speaker 2: By the way, when you're born, you can say other

435
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: people to be mean for you. He's an heir to

436
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: the Vanderbilt fortune. He doesn't have to be mean by himself.

437
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 2: He's got people for that. He came in We met

438
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: him the first time at about ten in the morning, gorgeous,

439
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: perfect suit, so put together, not a hair out of place.

440
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: And Martha Raddits, the other moderator, a wonderful journalist, was

441
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: there also. She just looked like a normal human being.

442
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: But Anderson Cooper looked like a caricature of a supermodel.

443
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: He's just incredibly and so. And then they said we've

444
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: got to go to hair and makeup and wardrobe, and

445
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: Martha Raddits. You know, she looked fine, but not ready

446
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: to be on camera, like you know, nobody would be.

447
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper looked like he could have just walked out

448
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: and done the news, like I think he wakes up

449
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: like that. It's bizarre. After that night, I did his show,

450
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: I think on Tuesday, after the segment was over. Normally,

451
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: in between segments, a producer will be talking in your ear,

452
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: telling you whether you know whether you can go or

453
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 2: they want you to stay on for another segment or whatever.

454
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 2: He was talking to himself. It's very unusual for the

455
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: on camera talent to be like talking to you themselves

456
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: while they're trying to prep for the next segment. He

457
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: happened to be coming through Saint Louis doing a live

458
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: show and Andy Cohen do a show they call ac Score.

459
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: They tell stories and stuff because they're very good friends,

460
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: and he invited me to the show and like sent

461
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: me tickets and everything. He was a joy. It was

462
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. That show was one of the

463
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: most fun things we did. Sorry, I get on tangents

464
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: all the time, but back to that day. We meet

465
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Speaker 2: the moderators. We give them our two questions, and then

466
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: they say, okay, if we call on you ask this one.

467
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: And then they just kind of take all those questions

468
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: and they put them on in order. They're like, all right,

469
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: these six people asked about foreign pow, and these few

470
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: people asked about taxes and whatever, and they'll kind of

471
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: group them so they can guide the discussion by topics.

472
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: And I was the only person who had asked about energy. Okay,

473
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons why they called on me.

474
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: Nobody else asked about energy or environmental policy at all.

475
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: I figured I'd asked about because it has a lot

476
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Speaker 2: of personal impact for me and also a lot of

477
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: impact for the regular voter. And then we get to

478
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: time for the debate and they march us out on

479
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Speaker 2: the stage and it is so cold out there. They

480
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: keep the whole area like sixty degrees. It's one of

481
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Speaker 2: the reasons I wore the sweater, like I wore the

482
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Speaker 2: sweater because the suit I was going to wear, I

483
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: tore the seat out of the pants because I got

484
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: too fat for it. But I switched quickly to the sweater,

485
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: knowing that they had told us how cold it was

486
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Speaker 2: going to be, and they keep it so cold because

487
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 2: President Nixon basically sweated through his suit when he was

488
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: debating John F. Kennedy. I thought they weren't going to

489
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Speaker 2: call on me. I ended up being the second to

490
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Speaker 2: last person they called.

491
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Speaker 1: So you didn't know when the debate starts if you'll

492
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Speaker 1: be called on or not. It's in the moment.

493
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's forty of us who had all turned in questions.

494
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: They only had time to get to I think eight

495
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: or nine of them. And you don't know what order

496
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: they've put them in. You don't know if they're going

497
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: to call on you or not. They just said be ready.

498
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: They call on me. I read the question. I mispronounced

499
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: one of the words in my question. Hillary Clinton got

500
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: to answer first, and she said blah blah something about

501
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Donald Trump buys steal from China, and then Donald Trump

502
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: something about how isis is bad. I'm like, okay, I

503
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: know isis is bad, but that's not going to make

504
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: or break my job at the power plant. So they

505
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: did their politician non answers and then the debate was over.

506
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: After it was over, Hillary Clinton walked by real quick.

507
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: She had to get to the like you know, war

508
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: room or whatever to start doing the after shows and

509
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: strategizing and whatever. She stopped and shook my hand and

510
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: talked to us for a few seconds and walked out.

511
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Speaker 2: I didn't go over and talk to Donald Trump because

512
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. And then I heard from across

513
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: the stage somebody yelling to me, and it was President

514
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. Wanted to talk to me. I talked to

515
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: him for like fun. He remembered my name at first

516
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: when he was yelling to me. He was like, hey,

517
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: the energy guy, come here. You had the question. And

518
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: I walk over to him and he's like, your name's Ken, right,

519
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: and he had, you know, wanted to talk more in

520
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: detail about the Clinton energy policy as they saw it.

521
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so I was happy to talk

522
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: to him about it. And then his his security guy

523
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: was like tugging on his jacket, like, mister President, we

524
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: got to go. So he leaves and then I look

525
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: around and there's not really anybody left on stage. So

526
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: I kind of took a few more pictures with the

527
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: disposable camera that they gave us. I didn't take that

528
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Speaker 2: with me. By the way, people associate me with the

529
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: disposable camera. We all had one. The Commission gave them

530
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: to us because we weren't allowed to have cameras or

531
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: cell phones or anything. I'm going to take pictures of

532
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 2: the camera equipment because I'm a nerd about av stuff.

533
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, Wow, that's a really big boom

534
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: crane for this camera, and well there's a big soundboard

535
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: over there before.

536
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Speaker 1: We get into like whenever you're allowed to check your

537
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Speaker 1: phone after this event, I am curious what was your

538
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: relationship with the internet, Like prior to this, I.

539
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: Was mostly a lurker, Like I had a Twitter account.

540
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: I had like two followers. One of them was my

541
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: grandma and I think the other one was also my

542
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: grandma who might have forgot her password and then made

543
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: a new can get on Reddit. And I was mostly

544
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: just a lurker. I had an account, and I only

545
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: made you know, sporadic comments, some of them really stupid

546
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: and you know, regretful. But I didn't spend a whole

547
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: lot of time online. But I was aware of the

548
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: whole internet thing. I wasn't like a terminally online person.

549
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: Here's the rest of my interview with Ken Bone. The

550
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: debate is over, you check your phone. Walk me through

551
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: that moment of checking your phone after Well.

552
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: They told us before the debate, They're like, don't be

553
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: surprised if there's reporters out there wanting to talk to

554
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: you or take your picture. Don't be surprised if you're

555
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: like caricatured on Saturday Night Live or something. It's just

556
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: it could happen. And I'm like, well, I'd kind of

557
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: like to talk to a reporter, and then maybe my

558
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: grandma could have something for her scrap book if I

559
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: get my picture in the paper. I didn't really think

560
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: much of it. And then as I'm walking back to

561
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: my car, there's no reporters, there's no photographers or anything,

562
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 2: and I was almost a little disappointed. I'm like, oh,

563
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: I get back to the car and open the glove

564
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: compartment where I had my phone locked up and power

565
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: it back on. And my voicemail box was full and

566
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: I had like a couple hundred text messages and my

567
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: phone was already ringing as soon as it powered on.

568
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the heck's going on here? And the

569
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: first call I answered was from a woman who I

570
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: had gone to high school with, who now lives down

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: in Dallas. She's was a producer for like a local

572
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: morning show on there. I think it was the NBC affiliate,

573
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: like their morning news show. And she's like, hey, Ken,

574
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: I remember me from high school. I'm like that kind

575
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: of I guess, do you want to do a phone

576
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: interview for our show tomorrow. I'm like, oh, sure, okay.

577
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure how she got my number. I

578
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: didn't even have a cell phone in high school because

579
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: I'm old, but I was like, yeah, sure, Katie, had

580
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: no problem. And then as soon as I hung up,

581
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: it was ringing again, and it was Fox Sports and

582
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: they were like, yeah, you want to be on our

583
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: morning show tomorrow. And then my friend Ryan is calling me.

584
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: He's like dude, you're on every channel. I'm like, yeah,

585
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: I was on the debate. I told you I was

586
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: going to be there, Like no, man, not just like

587
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: in the background, they're talking about you. And I was like, why,

588
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: why are they talking about me? It's weird. And he's like, well,

589
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, because you're wearing bright red and you

590
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: got a stupid name. I'm like, well, I already knew

591
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: I had a stupid name. I thought he was messing

592
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: with me. Even with all the messages and stuff, it

593
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: takes me forty five minutes to get home, and sure

594
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: enough on TV is me just like a close up

595
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: with my face on like CNN or something. I'm like,

596
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: what the hell is this? And my wife says, yeah,

597
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: it's been like this since the debate was over.

598
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: What is your wife and son's reaction to all of this.

599
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: It's weird for them because obviously they know me better

600
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: than anybody else, and they're seeing all these people on

601
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: TV speculate about who I am and where I came from,

602
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, that's wrong, and that's wrong, and

603
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: that's wrong, and it was just sort of disbelief, and

604
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: the whole time we all just sort of thought like, well,

605
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: they'll find something else to pay attention to in a

606
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: day or two. You know, it actually took several weeks

607
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: before they were ready to pay attention to something else.

608
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Your existence was politicized for moment one because it was

609
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: in the context of politics. And what was it like

610
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: seeing yourself presented in this very like political way.

611
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: I didn't see any coverage of myself for like days

612
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: and days after except what people were directly like texting

613
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: me about, like my friends, because it was too busy

614
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: doing interviews and stuff. It was really surreal. Like I

615
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: did an interview with the New York Times. They published

616
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: the interview online like a half an hour later. Five

617
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: minutes after that, I'm getting requests for comment on that

618
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: interview from other media outlets and also from like my

619
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: brother in law, and he's like, have you seen this?

620
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I don't I have time to read

621
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: any of that. In fact, I'm hanging up on you

622
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: now because I'm supposed to be on this radio show

623
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: in Fort Worth, right, I gotta go.

624
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Was there any moment of hesitation of like do I

625
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: want to do this? Was there any like calculus I'll

626
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: talk to I'll do this I don't know how I

627
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: feel about this. It just sounds like it was happening

628
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: so fast. How did you know what to say yes

629
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: or no to.

630
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: I didn't say no to almost anybody. The only people

631
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: I said no to were ones where literally like I

632
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: have something booked at that same time already. Sorry. I

633
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: was enough at the time to know that, like, this

634
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: is going to go on for a few days, and

635
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: it's I'm not actually a big deal. People just want

636
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: to pay attention to me for right now. So I

637
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: never got like an inflated sense of like, oh man,

638
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: I must be so smart and so great and everybody

639
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: loves me. So I think I was fortunate enough that

640
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: I had that online exposure before, so I didn't buy

641
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: into my own myth or whatever. Didn't let it change

642
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: me as a person, at least I hope I didn't.

643
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: I guess somebody could go through that kind of experience

644
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: without being a little bit changed. But I don't feel

645
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: like I have came too self absorbed or anything because

646
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: of it. It was just bizarre. I had stuff booked

647
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: in fifteen minute increments about four am until two am

648
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: every day for three days until then I finally had

649
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: to start telling people no so I could sleep.

650
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to talk to you about just like how

651
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: that degree of sudden attention and expectation and this projection

652
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: of responsibility, like all of which did not exist twenty

653
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: four hours ago. What does that do to your sense

654
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: of mental well being?

655
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, I've did a lot of therapy over the last

656
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: couple of years, because once you go back to like

657
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: when you've had a stadium full of twenty thousand people

658
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: chanting your name and lining up for two hours just

659
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: to take a picture with you humans as social animals,

660
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: you get like endorphin rush from that. You know, sure

661
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: you feel that's addictive. It gave me a good insight

662
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: into why some people who got like reality show fame

663
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: or whatever, will sell their soul for a little bit

664
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: more attention. From the outside. You look at it and

665
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: you're like, how could you do that? That's disgusting? Why

666
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: are these people debasing themselves? Like because it's addictive. I

667
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: feel like I was very lucky that I didn't get

668
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: so hooked on it that I couldn't let it go,

669
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: because it eventually is no matter who you are, it's

670
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: going away. But I think I recognized from early on

671
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: that It wasn't because of any innate talent or anything.

672
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: It was just like a perfect storm of like I

673
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: had a funny name, i was wearing a weird outfit,

674
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to be on camera. I ended up

675
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: being kind of good at the sort of banter. So

676
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: I felt like that all came together. But it wasn't

677
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: because I'm like an amazing media analyst or something like that.

678
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of factors that came together

679
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: that made it so. I was I don't know, I

680
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 2: was almost purpose built to be the Internet meme or something.

681
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: But I was okay with it going away again. I

682
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: wrote it out for a while because it was fun once.

683
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't as fun anymore, but I started answering the

684
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: phone lesson less, especially since it's not really that lucrative.

685
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: I did make some money on I did a few

686
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: commercials and there were a few bigger things. I sold

687
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: T shirts. That's what I made the most money on.

688
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: But I did as much as I could to give back. Also,

689
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: I gave ten percent of all the money I got

690
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: to charity. And every place I would sign a contract with,

691
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: I would make that company, I'd make them give money

692
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: to charity also, so we raised tens of thousands of

693
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: dollars for local charities and things. Yeah, I'd like to

694
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: think that most people are just doing the best they can.

695
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: Like the hawk Tua girl is the hot thing of

696
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: the moment as we're recording this, and she's done a

697
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: lot for like pet shelters and other charities and stuff,

698
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: so I'm really happy for her. I haven't got a

699
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: chance to talk to her, and I've been looking for

700
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: like her email address or something so I could just

701
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: send her a note. But she was probably like fourteen

702
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: years old when I was a meum, so she might

703
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: even know who I am sure she.

704
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone does it like you had the full

705
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: kind of arc where you had the original wave of attention,

706
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: that the appearances, a lot of requests, you had the

707
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: moment of the Reddit post resurfacing and having to just

708
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: navigate all of that and such a short period of

709
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: time when things are coming that fast and that intensely,

710
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: how do you manage in the day to day sense?

711
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, I you know, everybody's like the hero of their

712
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 2: own story, and it's no different to me. So when

713
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: I started getting questions about like why did you say this, insensitive,

714
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: terrible thing on Reddit. I'm like, well, that was a

715
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: jerk thing to do. I don't know what to tell you.

716
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: And I think because I didn't try to go out

717
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: of my way to justify it, that was big and

718
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: people like being willing to forgive and move on. They're like, oh,

719
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: you thought you were anonymous, you said something insensitive, you know,

720
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: tried to play it off for cheap laughs or whatever

721
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: at the time. But what I would always say to

722
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: people is like, it wasn't a press release. I did

723
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: not curate this for you know, wide consumption. I was

724
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: talking to the three people that I was, you know,

725
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: in a comment thread with made a dumb joke that

726
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: was that I feel bad about but I I believe

727
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: in learning from your mistakes and moving on. I read it.

728
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Username is stan Gibson eighteen. I still use the same username.

729
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: I do not have an alt account. I think that

730
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: alt accounts are for cowards, honestly, and I think that

731
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: even more strongly now if you look far enough back

732
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: in my history, you can read the comments yourself. I

733
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: have not deleted or edited a single one, because even

734
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: the ones that I'm not proud of, I feel like

735
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: if you do not stick by your words and learn

736
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: from them even when they're wrong, then you failed as

737
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: a person. That's something my grandfather taught me because I

738
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: made that mistake, and I think that goes a lot

739
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: farther than just pretending it was okay or pretending it

740
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: didn't happen.

741
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: When did it feel like? Things started to kind of

742
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: feel less intense, it's less of a part of your

743
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: daily life.

744
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: Probably by about Thanksgiving it started to tone down because

745
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: of the nature of what I was famous for. You know,

746
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: it's because of the election. Well, the election is obviously

747
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: not over yet. The election wasn't until early November, and

748
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: then of course Donald Trump wins, and I know what

749
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: I saw that. I don't think Donald Trump saw that coming.

750
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: The political climate is super fraught, and people are either

751
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: looking for somebody to lash out at and blame or

752
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: they're looking for some kind of anchor of something that's

753
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: supposed to be fun. That's one of the reasons why

754
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: I got so big is because everybody was so busy

755
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: in this nasty election cycle, with everything that's so awful,

756
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, this guy seems kind of fun. Let's

757
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: talk about that for a while. And after the election,

758
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: was over, They're like, let's talk about fun guy a

759
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: little bit for a while, because oh my god, this

760
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: is bad, this is so weird. So that carried it

761
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: a little farther, you know, started settling down where I

762
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: was only doing a couple of couple of things a week,

763
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, the interview here and there. I went to

764
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: Seapack that that year, in twenty seventeen, in February, the

765
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: big conservative thing. I'm not a very conservative guy. I

766
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: didn't go as a speaker or anything. There was a

767
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: company that sells fundraising and campaign management software that wanted

768
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: me to be the spokesmarsa a spokesperson. So I went

769
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: to a Seapack and then I went to net Its Nation,

770
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 2: which is sort of the sort of the liberal equivalent,

771
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: except it's not nearly as much of a party atmosphere

772
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: as Seapack. So we went to these big political conferences

773
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: trying to sell the fundraising software. I mean that was fun.

774
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: I got to meet AOC before she got elected. We

775
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: got a picture of me and an AOC from before

776
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: her primary, before anybody else knew who she was, so

777
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: I got any So I did a few more events

778
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: with them. They were the ones who arranged for me

779
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: to be on Bill maher like the year after that,

780
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: but it really slowed down a bunch, and then by

781
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: the time we got to the pandemic that stopped everybody's

782
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: life completely in its tracks and never really picked up

783
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: as much after that.

784
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Was there ever a point where you were able to

785
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: make a full time living? Did you want to make

786
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: a full time living of this or was it sort

787
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: of like, well, we'll just sort of see what happens

788
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: early on.

789
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: If I had gone and gotten like an agent who

790
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: could help me navigate all that stuff, Yeah, pretty confident

791
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: that I could have made a full time living being

792
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: like one of those talking head contributors does segments, you know,

793
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: a few times a week, and then while you're doing that,

794
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: you write a book, and then you plug your book

795
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: when you're in this stuff. Yeah, it was a whole

796
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: ecosystem of people that do that, and I'm pretty sure

797
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: I could have done it, and I could have done

798
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: a good enough job where I could have kept it going,

799
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: But it also seemed kind of like a bummer. And

800
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: I have a decent career that I already liked. That's

801
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: like a sure thing that I'm really good at. What

802
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: I do, and it doesn't require me to be out

803
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: of town all the time or be stressed out and

804
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: do hair and makeup and stuff. The media atmosphere moves

805
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: so fast. If you don't jump on that immediately, it's done.

806
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: If I wanted to write a book, now, nobody's going

807
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: to buy that book. I did have more staying power

808
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: than most. I think that's attributable to me just being

809
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: willing to do more appearances and being kind of okay

810
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: on camera. People don't remember Chewbacca Mom as much because

811
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't think she wanted to do as many appearances

812
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 2: as I did. People don't remember her Ambie because he's dead.

813
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: He don't do interviews anymore. Yeah, you don't grow without

814
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: changing a little bit. You know, It's been eight years

815
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: since I was a meme. I'm not the same person

816
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: I was eight years ago. Have grown and changed and involved.

817
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: I'm not to slap too many labels on it, but

818
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm a lot more progressive than I was before.

819
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: Believe more in things like universal health care and things

820
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: of that nature. And not because I'm like I used

821
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: to be a bad guy and I wanted Grandma to

822
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: die because she was broke no, it's because I used

823
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: to believe that it would never be efficient enough to

824
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: roll out wide scale. And the more I've read about it,

825
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: and the more I've talked to people about it, and

826
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: realized every other civilized nation in the world does it.

827
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Why couldn't we do it? Then my beliefs have grown

828
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: and changed over time. But I also realized that there's

829
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot of people who think the way that I

830
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: did eight or ten years ago. They're not evil. They

831
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: came by those beliefs honestly. And most people, probably ninety

832
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: plus percent of people, want everybody to have rights. They

833
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: want everybody to have health care, they want everybody to

834
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: have whatever. They don't agree on how we should get it.

835
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: You both have a lot of criticism of media and

836
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: have experienced and bored and witness to American media in

837
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: a way very few have. Has your view on media

838
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: shifted in these last eight years.

839
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: Very much so, media and politics. Also, once you've peered

840
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: behind the curtain, you can't unsee that stuff. We have

841
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: so many politicians and media figures who could not chew

842
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: bubble gum and walk at the same time. In general,

843
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: they're good at one thing. Politicians are good at getting elected.

844
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: And media figures are good at staying on television, and

845
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: that is largely it. Very few of them actually have

846
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: something to say. Most of them are just good at

847
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: drawing your attention for short periods to close out.

848
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: When you look back on this time of this initial virality,

849
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: have your feelings changed towards it? And you know, as

850
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: you like have processed that experience over the years, how

851
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: do you look back on it now?

852
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: The more distance I get from it, the more I

853
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: realize that it does not define me as a person.

854
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: And that is a lot of what I had to

855
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: talk through in therapy. If like I had these great

856
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: emotional highs of everybody loves me without even knowing me,

857
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: that's addictive. But I realized that I don't need that

858
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: to define me as a peron. I'm defined as a

859
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: person by the relationships that I maintain and the internal

860
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: work that I do on improving myself. Also by smaller

861
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: things like my career and my interests, and those things

862
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: define me as a human being, not the way people

863
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: chose to perceive me on television. If somehow a magic

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Speaker 2: wand were to excise that whole experience from my life,

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Speaker 2: I realized that I could still be who I am.

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Speaker 2: I could still be a good person, I could still

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Speaker 2: be a worthwhile human being without any of that attention.

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Speaker 2: And I think that having some distance from it and

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Speaker 2: some years later has helped me gain perspective on that.

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Speaker 2: If I had to do it all again, absolutely when

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Speaker 2: it's an amazing, unique experience that almost nobody gets to have,

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Speaker 2: and I was very fortunate that I was able to,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a saint. I've gained financially from

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Speaker 2: it also, but I was able to help my community

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Speaker 2: as well, so a lot of people benefited. So I

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Speaker 2: think overall it is a great experience. If I had

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Speaker 2: to do it the same way, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: didn't get to change anything, I would still do it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't need it. I don't have to have

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Speaker 2: had it to be satisfied with who I am.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you for being so open and so generous

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Speaker 1: with your time and your experience. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I really love, you know, interviews like this and programs

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Speaker 2: like yours, because the long form format where you can

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Speaker 2: really get into a subject, is so much more beneficial

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Speaker 2: and so much more fun to engage in than the

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Speaker 2: like eight minute radio segments that I've done a million.

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Speaker 1: Of I hope, so thank you, Thank you again to

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Speaker 1: Ken Bone. You can follow him on Twitter for updates

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Speaker 1: he shares as he sees fit, and you can also

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Speaker 1: donate to his nonprofit of choice, the Saint Patrick Center

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, at the link in the description. I'll

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Speaker 1: be doing the same, and I really appreciate it. Ken

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Speaker 1: made it a part of his mission to include the

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Speaker 1: interest of his own community. I really hope this is

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Speaker 1: something that characters of the day kind of put into

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Speaker 1: practice when their time randomly comes oddly enough. Talk to

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Speaker 1: a girl. Hailey Welch is a pretty solid example of this.

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Speaker 1: She's recently started a nonprofit for stray animals in her area.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there will never

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Speaker 1: be another Ken Bone. But he is an important hallmark

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Speaker 1: in Internet history. He's a clear and early example of

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Speaker 1: the milkshake duck phenomenon, a crossover between the mainstream media

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Speaker 1: and social media, and a person who was able to

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Speaker 1: grow and change with the phenomenon that surrounded him. So

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Speaker 1: here we are again at the end of another fucked

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Speaker 1: up American election cycle. Vote your conscience, vote down ballot

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Speaker 1: in your community and participate in mutual aid in your area.

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Speaker 1: Vote blue no matter who is for losers and Nimbi's

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Speaker 1: people help people period. And for your moment of fun

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Speaker 1: this week. There are still a few weeks of rancid

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Speaker 1: SNL sketches to get through before election day. So here

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Speaker 1: was Ken's rancid SNL moment. Next week, more hot dogs.

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Speaker 2: Bye, all right, and now since everyone has been so good,

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Speaker 2: it's time for a special treat. That's right, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: put your hands together, the one, the only, mister Kenbone.

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Speaker 1: You all ready for the Oh my god, he is

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Speaker 1: so cute.

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Speaker 2: I really needed that right now.

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Speaker 1: No, wait, Ken, You're not going to turn out to

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Speaker 1: be a weird little creep or anything, are you?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: God, we can't have anything nice? Oh well. Sixteenth Minute

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Speaker 1: is a production of Whole Zone Media and iHeart Rodeops.

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Speaker 1: It is written, hosted, and produced by me Jamie Rastus.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. The

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Speaker 1: Amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is

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Speaker 1: from Grant Crater and pet Shout Outs. To our dog

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Speaker 1: producer Anderson, my Kat's flee and Casper, and my pet Rothbert,

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Speaker 1: who will outlive us all. Bye.