WEBVTT - Real Friends Classic -103: My Best Friend's Mistake w Bill Lawrence 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.760 Donald Countison. One two, No, Donald down, donalds go down. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:06.680 That's not what I meant. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.320 Three two, Well, then that's you gotta say. You said 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.400 count us in. I thought you were like Donald, count 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.560 us down. There we go because counting us in is 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:16.239 you know, like the song. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.560 Is like seven eight right exactly, your song count us 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:20.120 into our song? 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.280 Donald, I really don't want to anymore. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.560 Five six, seven eight. You want fame, well, fame costs, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.600 and right here is where you start paying in sweat, 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.239 Debbie Allen Fame the TV show Thank You. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.960 Here's some stories that show we made about a bunch 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.760 of docs and nurses, and I said, here's the story 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:58.120 nets so here yead. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.920 All right, listen, we have Donald one of our first 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.200 We have our first real guest. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.360 Yes we do. And I'm really excited about this. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.640 I don't think there could be a more appropriate guest. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.400 Because he's the reason that we're here. He's the reason 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.360 we're friends. He's the reason that this show happened, that 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.720 so many people across the world love, and it all 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:14.839 came from his brain. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.039 He's the reason why I'm in my why I have 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.520 a closet that I can stay in right now. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.839 He's the reason I have a desk. He's the reason 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.320 I have a desk. He's the reason I have this 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.240 water bottle. I always say that to our next guest 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.920 jokingly but also seriously whenever I buy myself, even like 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.720 occasionally I buy him dinner and he's so grateful, and 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.480 I say, are you kidding? I can only buy you 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.200 this dinner because of you, ladies and gentlemen. The creator 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.760 of Scrubs, mister Bill Lawrence. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.160 Yeah, I pretended to not even be in the frame, 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:45.440 even though this is not a video thing. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.160 Hey, guys, I know I wish we were recording so 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:47.920 people could see that. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.120 I want people. I want people at home to know 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.400 that even though we're not recording the video, Bill hid 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.680 on on the Zoom app and made an appearance. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.240 Hey, that was too nice and of an introduction, because 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.520 you guys would have both done fine without me. I 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.840 like that. I can claim credit for your success and 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.080 well being, but you would have found your way regardless. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.520 Well that's nice of you to say, but you definitely 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.960 changed both of our lives a lot and a big way, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.720 and also made something that very rarely happens. I'm finding 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.480 as I attempt to make TV shows and produce them, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.720 and something that went nine years, and something that is 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.080 a global success. And I guess the first logical question 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.320 I wrote down in my notes is how did Because 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.880 I was listening to this, I want to know how 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.400 you came up with the idea? How did it? How 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.600 did the seed come to you in the first place? 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.720 You guys both know there was a medical advisor on 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.160 the show named j D, and he's the real JD, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.880 and he's my best friend in college. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.799 He was a fuck up and a curse on. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.360 You, curse away, Bill, go nuts, let loose. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:57.360 He was. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.240 He was a screw up. I went the other way, and. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.440 I used to joke with him because he was such 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.680 a bad student that he went back to college to 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.040 go to med school a second time. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.640 I mean to pre med a second time, so we'll 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:10.480 get in to med school. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.480 I said, my biggest nightmare would be waking up in 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.120 an emergency room and having you standing over me and going, hey, you're. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.480 Gonna be fine. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.440 And I just thought that would be a good TV 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.080 show because we used to drink beers and used to 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.160 talk about how all these stories, especially the early ones, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.720 are ones straight from his life, you know, worrying that 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.160 his friend sowed a piece of gauze up into somebody 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.920 falling in love with a different girl in his residency program. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.120 And he's now married to He's. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.280 A real guy. It's more relevant than ever because he 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.560 has become the Kelso at a Kaiser hospital Wells Peelis, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.480 and he's there running their COVID virus command center today 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:44.080 as we speak. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.800 Yeah, I saw that you tweeted something about that, So 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.440 tell us, like, because you're in you must be. You're 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.640 still best friends, so you must be in contact with 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.240 him as he's dealing with all this COVID insanity. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.800 Right, Yeah, he's superpals. He he's a heart surgeon and 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:57.800 a cardiologist. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.800 He he still just speaking and. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.320 Gay sometimes the real JD. But he goes by John 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.800 so you know, he put out a tweet the other 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.600 day saying, hey to all the doctors and nurses you 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.360 know that work with me. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.440 I'm really proud, and I said, hey, is the real JD. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.320 He married the real Elliott and he's out there fighting 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.800 the fight and it became viral on a news story 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.640 and stuff in our basketball game that Donald has played 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.279 in before, and in this episode you can see that 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.080 Donald can play ball. JD played in that game, and 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.359 he tore his rotator cuff, so he can't be a 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.440 heart surgeon as much because it, you know, aggravates his injury. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.960 So he took the Kelso job the same way. Doctor 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.880 Cox took the Kelso job late in life, and he 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.560 runs the whole hospital on in those fields. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.640 That said game you speak of is probably the roughest 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.839 game I've ever played in in my life. Jaws being broke, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.839 noses broke, It's quested. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:48.960 It's a bunch of dumb comedy writers too. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.240 Man, Oh my gosh, it's violent. It's so violent. It's violent, dude, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.120 it's violent. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.760 It's a lot older now, Donald, we're all, I mean, 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:57.599 we're the old guys. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.040 Now, there's a wave of young guy. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.279 My son plays Will and I sent Zach a video 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.040 of Will dunking the other day and I was so 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:04.680 excited about it. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.520 Yeah, Bill, send me a video Will dunky. He's like, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.560 you have no idea how proud this makes me? 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.240 Donald Donald, Zach doesn't understand, as you know, like to 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.680 see somebody dunk. I didn't even get a response. So 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.880 Zach's like, oh, yeah, he's thrown that round ball into 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:21.880 the hoop without. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.320 If you if you had sent me that kid singing 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.000 bring him Home from lim Is, I would have cried. 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:26.960 You would have lost your mind. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.480 You would have lost your mind. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:33.400 Oh, by the way, Zach, I am so proud of Will. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:34.239 Oh my god. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:36.839 I would have had it on repeat. I literally would 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.760 have just been playing Will singing bring him Home. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.680 Bill. When you were younger, could you dunk? Did you not? 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.560 You cannot dunk? When I was younger, I could. But 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.360 when I was a lot younger, yeah, a lot. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:50.400 Donald Will does it? 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.560 Will does it now aggressively. 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:52.200 It's pretty cool. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.360 That's awesome. Like on the Spin move on to Break. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.160 You can do it off the dribble, and he can 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.920 do it off an hour you he's has troubles, still gripping. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.000 Why are you guys speaking Latin right now? I have 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.360 no idea. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.040 He tries, he tries. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.200 I wanted to go back to JD for the real 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.520 JD for a second, because I remember back in when 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.200 we first started, he had a pager and and they 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.320 would literally he'd be at the hospital advising us. So, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.320 just for those of you who don't know, a medical 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.359 advisor on the show is obviously showing us everyone the 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.800 extra is Donald and I all the doctors how to 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:26.320 look like we know what we're doing and this is 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.600 how you do this, and this is what you'd be 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.520 doing in this particular situation. And this was still in 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.839 the era of the fax machine. And I remember JD 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.440 would he'd be talking to us and saying, yeah, hold 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.360 it like that, do that, and then he'd get a page. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.760 And then he'd go receive a fax and he'd look 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.839 down at the facts of someone's EKG and he'd be like, uh, 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.480 I should probably get goo and. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.880 Yeah. You know, he used to joke about that that 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.039 he liked the gig with us so much more than 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.520 his real gig, you know, because he was a grunt. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.520 You know, he was still I mean it was out 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.280 of residency, but you know he was a slaven a 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.440 way back then to pay off med school loans and 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.159 kind of being around Hollywood. He loved it. You know. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.680 His wife would also uh cover for him when he 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.680 was when he couldn't be there, she'd come by and 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.280 you know, we'd run things by her. Speaking of this episode, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.080 it starts off in the O R and I remember thinking, Oh, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.400 this is gonna be awesome. I get to show my 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.000 dramatic face in the middle of surgery. It'll be just 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.760 like all the doctor shows that are on right now, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.360 you know what I mean. And then we get there 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.680 and you're like, no, put the mask on. What we 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.920 put the mask on? You're like, no, you guys, we 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.920 we have to wear the masks. And I was like, wait, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.120 but we're supposed to be acting. This is nearly and 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:40.520 you were like no, no, no, no, no no, put 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:41.000 the masks on. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.560 Put the mask with your eyes and do it with 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:44.080 your eyes. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.320 And I remember being, okay, this could this is gonna be. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.520 This is okay looking back at it now, we were 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.120 other than mash. I think the first show is really 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.080 to do that. All of these other shows were doing 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.280 surgery without the masks on. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.520 And Donald it's a great point because you know, JD 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.760 is most proud of even though we took so many 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.680 liberties and ragofy and stuff. It's been often said that 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.920 this for at least medical professionals, that this was the 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.160 most realistic medical show, you know, just on what it 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:11.520 was like. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.240 I get that all the time. Bill and people on 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.720 my social media and everything will say and even I 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.480 think the American Medical Association said that so so tell 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.040 us about that when you when you started, did you 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.520 I've always said and correct me if I'm wrong, that 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.760 you because the show is going to be silly and 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.960 go off in crazy tangents. That you said to your 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.800 writers and obviously a mantra to yourself that no, I 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.720 want the medicine to always be as accurate as possible. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.480 We had to they, you know, they initially even before 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.920 I get cast, you guys talked to about making that 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.599 show on a sound stage, and I'm like, man, this 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.920 show's gonna be so silly in so many ways. If 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.839 it's not in a real hospital, people are going to 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.600 tell it's fake. And so we used to have this 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.760 board of you know, we do all the funny fantasies 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.160 and jokes and silly shit, and then we had this 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.439 board of ways to make it real, you know, and 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:02.600 one of them. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.640 Donald was talking about. One of them the masks. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.080 But you guys need to look competent, people needing to die, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.640 the rooms to be grungy, and to not have as 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.200 saturated a look color wise. You know, we just wanted 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.920 we thought, like we made everything that wasn't funny real, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.760 that maybe it would work. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.760 Going back and forth between serious and goofy tone. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.360 You know, I heard Donald talking about that in your 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.720 other episode, about how the colors didn't pop and everything 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.319 looked kind of dank and you know, and disgusting. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:30.920 Intentionally. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.800 When you came up, you were coming off of Spin 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:35.320 City for those of you who don't know. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.000 But I was going to ask should we go through? 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.600 I mean, not that you want to sit here and 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.400 discuss your resume or anything like that. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:42.800 Yeah, he would, he'd love to. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.400 We gave a little story about what we were doing 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.880 before Scrubs and how our life changed before Scrubs. I 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.640 imagine your life changed. I remember the table read. I'm 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:53.800 just saying I would love to hear. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.560 Yeah, we never heard like how I mean, you were 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.120 already successfully you're coming off Spin City, but how you know, 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.760 Donald and I went on and on about how it 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.000 was such a shock to our lives. I mean, this 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.199 was your first hit show on your own. I mean, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.680 was that a big change in your life? 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.120 Yeah? You know what I had had such a weird 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.400 experience on Spin City that I was partnered up with 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.520 an iconic star from my generation. You know, you guys 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.080 were so kind of Mike Fox when he came and 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.960 guested on the show. But that was such a surreal 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.400 experience for me writing for Mike. You know, it's like 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.040 the back to the guy that I grew up with, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.679 this particular experience. Even before I met you guys, I 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.000 was like, all right, you can't have any expectations. There's 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.880 no huge movie star doing this. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.920 You guys have probably heard me say before. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.280 I decided to treat this whole thing like, all right, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.160 I wrote the script. No one's ever gonna make it. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:44.720 They're gonna let me shoot the pilot. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.640 It'll never be on. The show's going to be on. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.599 It'll never last a whole season, So I'll make the 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.800 janitor an imaginary character, you. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:53.160 Know what I mean. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.600 Oh, it lasted the whole season. It'll never be on 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.440 a season two. And so to me, that kind of 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.240 protected me. You know. I thought that I was making 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.360 something like Freaks and Geeks, you know, that would be 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.080 people go hey, that was really good. And it got 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.719 canceled after four episodes, and it was surreal to me 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:12.640 that it kept working. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.120 That makes sense to you, guys. So I was really 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.199 into the art of it all. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.120 Like at a table read, I remember just being so 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.040 happy that everyone top to bottom was so good, you know, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:28.040 and from what I had done, not necessarily popping you know, 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.880 jokes in a sitcom style and playing it real. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.080 And I'm like, oh, this is a show that I'd 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.400 watch even though no one else will. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.560 So yeah, I was resigned very early to the show 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:38.600 not being successful. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:39.200 It was very weird. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.280 I never asked you this question, but be coming off 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.480 of Spin City and this was kind of the beginning 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.520 of a big single camera comedy craze for those of 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.240 you who don't know the difference being a sitcom traditionally 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.720 a set in front of a live audience and then 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.280 a single camera we shoot like a movie. Was there 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.160 any pressure on you to make this idea you had 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.079 a sitcom and did you have to affg yeah. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.360 They The best thing that Spin City bought me was 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:07.840 the financial and professional security to what happens in television 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.599 often is you'll create a show. Hey, I'm going to 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.760 do a show about a young married couple and what 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.800 it's really like and I'm not going to compromise it 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.680 at all, and then you'll go sell it to a 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.679 network and when you come out, you're like, all right, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.640 it's the same show. I mean we have a kid 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.320 that's six that speaks like a thirty year old, and 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:29.400 I do have superpowers now, but otherwise otherwise it is 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.000 like the exact same, right, And so with this show, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.760 when I said, I was so convinced to be a failure, 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.320 because like early on ABC, we're like, hey, that show 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.480 is interesting. Maybe the doctor Cox character should be married, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:43.080 and we'll just it's a sitcom. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:44.600 We see him at home, we see him at work. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:45.679 I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.000 And it was never really an issue for me because 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.440 I was so convinced that this would never work anyways. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.160 I just wanted to stick with what I thought would 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.160 be cool, you know, and what would work. So there 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.560 was a lot of pressure. The only thing that this 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.120 episode sode resonates in a huge way because the president 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.480 of NBC at the time was convinced that single camera 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.880 comedy shows weren't funny, and uh so I'm like, I'm 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.880 going to keep this show on by decorating it with 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.000 every bell and whistle I can. So this is one 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.160 of the last I think there's only a couple more 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.360 episodes after this that still have sound effects. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.040 Yeah, that's something I wanted to talk about is we 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.360 start going through the show. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.760 Just so we're clear though, who was the president of 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:33.559 the network? Was the president? What was Sassa? What was Sassa? 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.680 Scott Sassa was very sassified. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.520 All right, So, uh, this is Bill Bill in an 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.800 episode that will have aired by the time this airs, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.560 because in episode two we talk about the infamous time 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.960 that Donald gave a nouggie to Jeff Zucker and he said, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.040 please Donald, no, And but my I. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.200 Was I always thought at the time, I thought that 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.760 Jeff Zucker was Scott Sass's assistant. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:58.720 No, he was. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:13:58.880 He was. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:04.520 Scott Sasa got shuffled out right as Jeff Zucker came in. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.280 Jeff Zucker now run CNA. He's one of the most 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.120 powerful guys you know in the news world. Scott Sasa 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.439 is claimed to fame with me because there's always a 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.040 disconnect with executives that really didn't know how this worked. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.760 And what's really interesting is if you. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.560 Look at the credits of Scrubs, the only title in 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.720 the writers that has writer next to it is staff writer, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.960 which is the lowest rank on the totem pole, and 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.160 then the other writers on the show. Our story editor 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.440 co producer things. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:32.400 That don't necessarily say writer. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.240 And when I handed in the first three scripts, you know, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.400 a showrunner always rewrites everything on any show. We had 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.240 a great writing staff, but I was still doing that. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.800 A Scott Sasa called me up. He's like, I read 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.080 the first three scripts and I got to say, those 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.640 three staff writers you hired, because he thought that was 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.240 the whole writing staff was three people. Those three straft 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.640 writers you hired really nailed it and really captured your 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.360 voice from the pilot. I wanted to be like, well, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.480 first of all, they didn't because I wrote the and secondly, secondly, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.680 those three staff writers are all like twenty one and 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.280 they've never worked on a show before. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:08.200 So crazy man. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.160 And then he shockingly got fired and uh, Jeff Sucker 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.920 replaced him right before Donald kissed his head. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.760 Right kiss his head. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.440 Yes. Yeah. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:20.600 By the way, you know what, we missed a good 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:21.800 bit of scrubs trivia. I got to say it. 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.120 I forget it. Do you guys remember Real j D's 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:26.520 wife's name. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.440 She's Elliott and real do you know her last name? 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.240 The maid last name, No, her maiden last name was 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.360 is Dolly Clock. I'm horrible at naming characters. Do you 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.280 remember a character on our show named Molly Clock. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:41.840 That was Heather Graham? 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.880 Yes, wow you John. Yeah. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.560 By the way, a lot of our fans Bill On. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.040 When we put the first episode out, we asked the question. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.000 I asked a random question saying I don't even know 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.120 what sitcom set that was, and like my whole Twitter 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.760 feed was like answering that it was the Damon Wayne's show, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:05.240 Kids Kids. There you go, So everyone probably Donald question 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:06.520 before right away? 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.920 You know my favorite, my favorite part of this show 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.240 and it's not even the a storyline in this episode 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.080 is the clock the countdown. You could have made the 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.920 whole show about that. That was. That could have been 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:18.920 the whole show. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.400 That's that's a good writer trick. You put an imaginary 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.760 ticking clock on something and everybody invests in it. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.920 Yeah, that was clever. Wait before we get to the show, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.280 I just want to ask another trivia thing of Bill. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:31.680 I got so geeked out. I really did my homework 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:32.240 this week. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.200 And like, before you go, I want to tell Donald 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.720 because he can look him up. There's a picture of 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.040 Donald and the surgeon he was based on. Donald would 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.160 be named John Turk because that's the surgeon's name, but 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.920 j D was already John, so he became Chris Turk. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.560 There's a picture of you with your arm around John 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.440 Turk when he visited set once, and I'm not even 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.400 sure who he was. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:55.840 I remember when he came and visited. He was like, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.640 I'm Turk, and I remember him being white and me 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:03.040 being like, oh snap, but you're. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:10.639 Donald was like, you're not. I'm I want to just 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.719 want to do one other bit of trivia, that is 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.560 that ABC passed on the show. Yeah, so for those 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.159 of you who don't know, the show is produced by 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:25.119 ABC Studios, and ABC the network gets first crack at 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.480 things if the studios produces it. And our show ended 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.400 up on NBC. So tell us how that happened. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.320 The dude is a true story and I'm not even 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.560 going to out him because hes a nice man. When 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.520 I pitched this show to the people that ran the 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.920 ABC network, Uh, one of the dudes had a chair 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.120 that you know, kind of blocked you could wean back 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.600 into that blocked the view of his head. And about 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.840 midway through the pitch, like a guy like a bad 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.719 guy in a movie, and midway through the pitch, we 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.080 all heard audible snoring. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.240 You had a night I think before. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.240 B b B B b b B. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.280 And I was literally like, I don't think this pitch 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:08.240 is going that well. Guys like, I'm. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.320 Not sure this is what you would call a sale 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.960 in the room because that the dude that the dude 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.240 that buys is snoozing. So they didn't buy it, and 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.359 the guy that ran ABC Studios said, you got to 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.520 wait five months. But then since they hated it, I'll say, hey, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.640 can I have permission to go sell this somewhere else? 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.040 And they'll think it'll never sell, so they'll say okay, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:30.359 And then I went and sold TENBC. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.879 But it was why the life of our show was 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:33.439 so weird. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.120 We were one of the only shows on NBC completely 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.359 owned by ABC, which is why time slot would be 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.440 moved around and not always protected and stuff. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.560 So it was it was a weird business arrangement. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.160 I always wonder how that goes in the TV landscape 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.040 when like, you know, you hear these stories of oh, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.000 every like everybody passed on Breaking Bad, you know, and 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.439 the guy at ABC who passed on Scrubs, Like I 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.320 just wonder if they if they fuck with each other 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.800 in the hallways, like good job, Tim, You know the. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.320 Moment I had. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.439 There is a great guy at ABC who ran it 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.520 for a while and is now a producer named Stu Bloomberg. 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.280 And he ran into me after our first year and 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.760 he goes, you know, I didn't he heard that pitch. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:12.240 He was there. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.879 He's like, I heard that pitch and I didn't get it. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.280 Now I get it. I feel like an idiot. And 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:16.320 I thought, oh, that's really cool. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:17.320 So it was. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.760 He was very nice about it. At least he was 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:20.320 not the one that fell asleep. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.520 Yeah, will you tell us about casting Turk? 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.520 And Wow, you're just going to get right into it. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.960 Well, I literally have like hours of questions for Bill, 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:31.840 but I know we want to also do the episode. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.480 But tell tell us about just you know about We 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.800 obviously want to know from your experience because we shared 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.080 our experience in the in the first episode, but your 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.800 experience of of finding Donald. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:41.280 Uh. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.040 I was a Donald fan already. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.760 I'd seen Klulis, you know, and uh I just thought 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.880 he was really funny and and and he killed all 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.200 his auditions and uh in the test part of it. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:58.400 You know, it's really interesting because I feel like I 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.879 both hurt and then saved Donald in a way to 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.679 make myself look like a hero feel pretty cool about it, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.000 which is, you know, the one thing I tell people 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.159 that don't understand what network tests used to be. It 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.520 literally used to be that you would come as an 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.560 actor and actress and stand in the head of casting's 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:22.840 office while twenty people were in the back sitting or 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.480 you know, leaning against the window judging you, and you'd 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.680 have one chance. If you're actually shooting the show, you'd 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.320 have twenty chances, but you'd have one chance to do 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.520 it not mess up, you know, and also somehow make 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.879 a room of people that all feel weird to be 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.360 standing in someone's office anyways. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:40.720 Laugh. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:42.800 So I used to tell everybody. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.520 You know, the biggest curse in the world is low energy. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:48.960 You know what I mean, because if you come into 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:50.720 those low energy everybody's going to be like, oh, this 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.320 is horrible. And the one mistake I made with Donald 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.000 is if you tell Donald, once you dial up that 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:03.000 energy to eleven, I know where this is show, Why 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.840 don't you make sure you dial that energy up to eleven? 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.639 Everybody, Donald, I mean Donald's like, hello Los Angeles, and 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:14.439 he came in and he. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.360 Did he did his audition and the truth is he 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.080 did crush all the comedy about when he left. They're like, 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.480 that guy's energy was fantastic and he's really funny, but 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.000 he very obviously can't do any of the sincere or 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:38.280 dramatic moments because he's an insane person. And and I'm like, no, no, no, 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:39.119 you can that's me. 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:39.560 That's me. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:40.879 And they never do this. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.840 But I had luckily been through the process before in 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.280 a different show, and so I went out to Donald 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.320 and tried to make it very grave because I wanted 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.160 him to come in then and just play the drama 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.840 of everything, you know, because I'm like, I told all 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.040 of them, I'm like, look, that's my note. And if 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:57.879 he comes back and does it the other way, you'll 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:58.800 see you can do whatever we want. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.199 It's a single camera show, you know. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.600 And I went back to Donald and I'm like, I 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.000 think I said something like, all right, they thought you 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.800 suck shit. Yeah, things, I thought. 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.160 You would come to tell me, all right, you got 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.480 the part. You were like, so I'm walking out. I 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.080 remember skipping into the room like here we go, Here 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.240 we fucking go, And you were like so that really 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:20.320 was horrible. 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.200 For them. For them, that was too much. I think 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.200 much is the word no, but the uh but then 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:29.840 I just we talked for a while and I'm just like, 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.520 just dial it down and now play it like it's 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:32.960 not a comedy and play the drama of it. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.040 Donald came back in, and this is. 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.280 A compliment to his acting ability. He came back in 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.040 and then he did it as if he wasn't looking 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.640 for any laughs or energy, and he walked out. I'm 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.240 sure shook by doing it again. And the second he 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.359 walked out, the head of NBC casting gout named Mark Hirschfeld, 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:49.400 was like, Oh, I see it totally. 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:49.840 He's got it. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.480 Yeah, thank you, well, thank you well. First of all, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.479 thank you very much for being a hero and ste 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:57.239 I'm not a here. 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:58.639 I don't have the best bedside manner. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:22:59.320 You guys know that. 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:01.919 Yeah, but it doesn't matter though. Man, you got the 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.800 point across. And look, dude, twenty something years later, I 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:06.480 owe you a lot. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:06.720 Bro. 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.880 Well, I remember it's so intimidating. I almost I think 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:13.320 that may have been the first time I ever made 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.879 it to a network test and it was down to 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.800 four of us and literally everyone there must have been 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.359 thirty people crammed into a small office It was the 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:25.520 most awkward environment to ever try and do a good job. 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:26.359 What was this for? 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:28.080 This was for scrubs? 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:29.000 Really it was. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.280 That guy Mark, wasn't it Bill Mark Hirsche show. Yeah. 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:36.520 Everyone was crammed into his office and I was very nervous, 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.720 and Sarah was there to read with me for her scenes. 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.399 But I remember feeling my adrenaline come up, like I 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.000 was almost going to have a panic attack, and I 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:45.920 was like, not today. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.760 Well, you know, you know, I cheated. Everybody cheats. I 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.000 cheated for the people I wanted to get the part. 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.840 So you guys both had extra lines and jokes and 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.120 moments that we had all come up with and found 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.880 together that other apps actors weren't doing right. And then 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:03.600 when I at the beginning, when I go in and 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.800 talk to everybody, I'm like, hey, I'm really into everybody 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.480 bringing their own flavor. And so some of these actors 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.840 and actresses have stuff that they've brought on their own 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.720 and I let them do it. But it's not true, 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:15.359 you know what I mean. It's just you two and 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.119 Sarah had stuff that you brought on your own that 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:17.679 we let you do. 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:18.680 Well, I didn't. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.240 I remember the time thinking that's so awesome. He feels 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:23.959 like he's rooting for me, but is he doing that 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.000 with everyone? Like I didn't you know that? No, I knew. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:28.520 I knew since then you've told me that. But at 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.159 the time I'm thinking, like I think I think I 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.840 might be his favorite, Like I'm getting the extra jokes. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.520 The you know, the only one that it's great trivia, 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:40.399 the only one that we didn't know what was going 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.919 to happen, and we shifted gears a little bit of 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.480 like what are we going to do if this doesn't happen? 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.080 It's fascinating and when you have him on the guest 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.040 as a guest, I'll tell you I wrote in the 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.280 script like we were looking for a John c McGinley 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:56.080 type for doctor Cox. And John came in and read 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.520 it and was fucking he was amazing. And then at 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:05.000 the studio he did something completely different and high energy 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.359 John and his intensity dial had been dialed up like 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.359 ten notches and the reaction of the studio was like, whoa, 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:17.600 that is way too And unlike with you guys, I 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.800 wasn't even confident enough to bring John back in and go, hey, 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.520 you did that wrong, because I feel like what would 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.600 follow would be a hard blow to the face, you know, 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.040 Oh my god, get off my neck, Get off my neck. 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:36.080 And uh. And so we had this giant level. 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.320 Me and the casting directors, you know, bretton Debbie were like, uh, 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.800 oh man, who's it going to be if it because 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.520 for us it was John McGinley, And we went into 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.560 the network and just said just cross your fingers. And 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.199 he came into the network and did it completely different 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.480 without anybody having spoken to him. And this the Johnny 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.440 C dialed down ten notches and literally walked out of 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.840 there as if with the thought. He almost said I 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.280 got this as he left. It was just so Johnny C. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.280 He was older, he did it. And then I'm like, 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.199 you feel good? He's like, cash, see you. 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.159 Johnny C had so many expressions that he would always say. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.200 We were talking about five good ones and and cash 0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:18.800 and and how he's better now? 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:20.200 How you doing better now? 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:21.080 Better now? 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.040 How are you doing? Here's five good ones for you. 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:27.320 How you doing better now? And then how he'd say 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.200 to the editor. We'd finish a scene and our editor's 0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:32.600 name was John Michelle, and he goes, well, we gave 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:33.960 John Michelle some momo. 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.800 Some ammo I love that, dude. Man, that's funny. 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.520 Speaking that you went out for like a Johnny C 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.439 type and everything like that. I find it so funny 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.840 that when that's almost like a gift and a curse 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.159 when they when they say that we talked about this 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.080 in the last podcast, you know what I mean When 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.760 they say we're looking for a Zach Brafft type, they're 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:57.120 not looking for Zach braff though, they're looking for a Zach. 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.399 Braff They want Zach braff Ish. 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.520 You know what. Although I think I thought it's different 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.280 if like, and this is a compliment, like right now, 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.399 both of you guys, you say Zach Brafford, Donald Faizon, 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:08.720 they're going TV star. 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.919 When I said John C McGinley type, at the time. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.960 It just meant a character actor, you know, with kind 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.240 of an intensity thing. It wasn't like he was a 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.760 household name, you know what I mean. So I don't 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.720 think it cursed him as much because there's no insult 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.480 to him. Seven out of ten people that read the 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.120 script or like, no, no, no, cool, who's John C McGinley, 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:29.640 you know what I mean? 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.600 And so he didn't. 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:39.320 Yes, you guy, you mean off the space. But that's 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.120 a different guy. No, it's the same guy. 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.120 No, that's not the same guy. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.360 So uh now if you say John C McGinley type, 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.720 people are like, oh yeah, arms crossed, super intense, you know, but. 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:54.400 That scary, scary, intimidating. 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.359 And then we were we were afraid of Bill in 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.880 the beginning, but then when we got like more friends. 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.320 Said that, well, you know, I did say one thing. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.440 I did say one thing, and because of it, because 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.080 of it, it stuck with me for the rest of 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.360 the fucking show. And I said one time, I was like, 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.800 you know, Bill said to everybody, he was like, look, 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.520 I'm going to write for all of you whatever you do, 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.760 just don't come in my fucking office and say, how 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.000 come I'm not in the show this week. And so 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.760 as a joke, I went into his office. I was like, dude, 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.399 I'm fucking barely in the show this week. And he 0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.320 was like, oh, yeah, you got Faison And that stuck 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:35.399 with me. But do you remember phase on dude, Oh. 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.960 My goodness, I totally forgot about that. So Donald did that. 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:41.680 And then for the rest of the show, when you 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.480 were when you were late, when you barely had anything 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:44.920 to do in the episode, people like, oh, man, I 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.080 got Faison, I Gotason. I remember. 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.200 There's only two things I remember like that. I remember 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:54.400 fasoned and I remember even saying to guest actors, see 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.880 if you guys remember this. A guest actor would be like, 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.680 I still don't think I nailed that line. 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.280 I'm like, dude, I don't have time for you to 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:01.560 Sarah one Morsey. 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:09.680 Because there's a song one Sarah one more. She wants 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:15.960 one more when she's had seven. Because Sarah, no matter 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:18.000 how many takes she did, like, she'd be like the 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.840 director would always be like, Okay, Sarah, you good. Can 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:20.880 we move on one more? 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:21.360 One more? 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.880 And I'll be like, there's something so good about a 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.160 confused guest actor's face when I'm like, dude, I don't 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:28.720 have time to Sarah one Morsey right now? 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.800 Thought I was speaking like kling On. 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:31.680 It is gibberish. 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.840 That song had like a nice hook to it. She 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.320 wants one more when she's had five. 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.240 So hey, you know what's interesting? I can I remember 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.480 something donald about someone choosing to take in this episode. 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.080 I wish I could remember who said. 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.600 It might have been Neil Goldman because he was up 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.040 on set, but it's in the cut and I didn't 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.600 have it in the initial cut, and he said there's 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.960 one take where Donald comes in and says, uh, does 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.440 has anybody seen my keys? How about my wallet? And 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.960 he says, hell about my wallet? Like Chris Rock about. 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:08.800 I literally went back to the cut and I went 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.840 back to the cut, watched that master and you're like, 0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.320 how about my wallet? 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.800 Donald? Was that Chris Rock inspired? 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.080 I wanted to ask you, now, that's probably Eddie Murphy inspired. Obviously, Yeah, 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.840 but it was there. How well, there's there's that one 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:24.959 and the one that we used to laugh at all 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:31.200 the time from this episode is I tried to discover something. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.040 I remember we laughed for days about that. 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:40.640 You're really funny in this episode. 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:46.200 I wanted to say, yes, you are. 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.360 Now that we're talking about the episode, I. 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:52.880 Was going to say that we can segue to these 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:53.280 This is. 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:58.440 Episode three, uh, my best Friend's Mistake, and first of all, 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.120 as a show, caught our stride. I feel like in 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.480 this episode. Now, the next episode that's after this is 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.800 My Old Lady and I think that's the third episode 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:12.640 we shot, but this episode aired before My Old Lady Whip. 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.640 I'm correct, Bill, Why why were Donald and I you'll 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.880 have the answer to this. Both Donald and I forever 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.640 have always said, oh, one of three was the episode 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.240 where we lose three patients, and it was kind of 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.960 like a good hitting our stride moment. And then both 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.400 of us this morning went to go rewatch the show 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.160 and we're like, oh, one of three is not that? 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:30.400 Did they twitch around? 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.120 I'm almost positive, but I gotta go look. 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:39.000 The pilot and the next one or two were directed 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:40.680 by Adam Bernstein. 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.280 Yeah, I can help you out because Joelle, our amazing producer, 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.480 made a note here that she said, I read this 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.080 was originally supposed to be episode two, this one. 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.320 It wasn't that as much as because we fixed that 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.600 in scripting stage. They wanted me to repilot and I 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.120 wrote episode two that you guys talked about. And then 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:57.880 Adam didn't want to go away for a week and 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:04.880 come back, so he was directing two episodes in a row. 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.240 I think we crossboarded even a little bit. I can't remember, 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.400 off to check. And then Mark Bucklin directed The Mild Lady. 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:12.960 After this, even though it was the third episode, we 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.080 were going to split them up, okay, because Adam was 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.560 it coming from New York and even though we were 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.480 going to go, you're going to direct the first episode. 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.480 In the third episode, he's like, yeah, I'm not flying 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:23.280 home and coming back. 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.760 I'll do all the prep before do him, you know, 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.080 because he's a quirky character. 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.120 So then we slipped New York. Still this day, I've 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:31.800 tried to get him to come do with other things 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.360 in the years since, and he's like, I don't really 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:35.320 like to leave New York. 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.240 Donald smart because we did catch our stride with two things. 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.080 And I'll see if you guys that we used to 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:43.960 have this big wall of things that we were trying 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:48.040 to establish as motifs for the show, and this one 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.120 was we had a super long discussion. The reason we 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.840 did that runner about how important music was going to 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.360 be in this show. And so we're like, we're even 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.600 going to make a song travel around the show like 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.840 a virus, and you know that'll be the start of 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:06.040 how queuing people in that music isn't just background on 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:10.360 this show. It has huge importance. You know. The song 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.920 that we chose, I'm So in Love with You, you know, 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:14.880 just gonna be able to it was it was specifically 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.400 about what was going on in those scenes. It wasn't 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.120 just a viral song, and we were trying to train 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.520 people to go, oh, I'm supposed to listen to the 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.920 words of the song too, because they're about what we're 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.400 actually doing. And the second thing, which is why it 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.280 was important that Bernstein was there, was when we first 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.440 discussed that the camera is a character. 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.920 And it's the first time we did a cowboy switch. 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:40.280 When Zach's running to meet Elliott, that a stuntman dives 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.680 and takes a face plant and the camera doesn't just cut, 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.080 It goes around looking for him like it's like it's 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:48.760 an actual charity too, you know. 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.320 And then Zach puts up like this, Yeah. 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.200 So if there was a thought bubble, you could have 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:57.240 almost looped in the camera going where'd you go? And 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.280 and so those two things kind of set a creatative 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.400 course for the show in ways that you know, we 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:04.520 kind of ran with after this. 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.480 Yeah, I didn't remember this one so much. And then 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.239 as I was watching and I was going, wow, there 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.800 was there's a lot in this episode that are little 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.400 moments that stuck with me forever, like the friend zone 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.799 and and the timer and the creative timer clock thing. 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.320 Every time I see Sarah and and Donald, uh, you know, 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.040 There's a lot of things that were that were used 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.400 throughout the show too, that that are established here, Like 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.400 it's the first time we see Donald playing basketball, and 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.000 you look very good now and you look very fit. 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.640 I wish I could get back into that shape. 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.680 You can do so they eat too much shit. 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.440 Well, twenty six years old body compared to a forty 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.640 six year old body is a big, big, big, big difference. Man. 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.880 Well, I I really I took notice that you looked fire. 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:48.520 Well. 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.960 I accept and receive that, and so did Rob. 0:34:52.880 --> 0:35:00.439 Mashioh Rob Roy any of black hair? U? I got 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:01.000 to tell you, man. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.879 So this is one of the things I get mocked for. 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.120 Why this episode stuck in my head was we all 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.880 have those things, like remember when you you share something 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.040 with friends that you wish you hadn't or or you're 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:14.879 drunk and you say something to it's a shiver story. 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:16.760 When you think back, you're like, oh. 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.520 Yes, Donald getting a nugge to Jef Zucker. 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.240 Yes, so one of mine. 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:25.279 And in writer's rooms you tell personal stories. Was in 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.279 a fraternity? Really? I was in a fraternity? Yeah no, 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:28.640 I was? 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.560 And uh uh you were in a fraternity? 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.560 Yeah no, I swear Okay. In college, we were all 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.160 drinking and hanging out and I was a little buzzy, 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:45.279 and I had a hometown girlfriend, and you really think 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.000 you can go and you care that much about her, 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.439 and I said, and it haunted me for the rest 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.080 of the year. They tortured me. I said, dude, I 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:57.640 miss her so much it hurts sometimes. And that became 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.279 one of the memes from this show because the mental. 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.520 I gotta tell you of all the memes and and 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:09.360 anything I get, gifts I get sent I miss you 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.600 so much it hurts sometimes, is one of the most common. 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:19.719 And it's also, by the way, the core of how 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.320 to use you know. I said, Look, voiceover can be 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:25.360 a crutch comedically because it's so easy. And when I teach, 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.279 like the Writers Guild, they're like, what do you mean how, 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:30.960 I'm like, well, the easiest way is to state a 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.440 premise in your voiceover and then do the opposite. An 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.120 example is just tell Turk how you feel without sounding 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.640 like you know a girl for once. 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.200 I miss you so much it hurts sometimes, you know. 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.279 Another one was when Elliott had the voiceover, or is 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.840 when Kelso spilled stuff on his face. Whatever you do, 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.279 do not say the word splotchy, and I think, j D, 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:57.920 I think you just said good splotchy, doctor splotch instead 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.640 of why would you even say good splot that's not 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:01.400 even a work. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.360 Good splotsheet splotsheet anyways, all right, So I wanted to 0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.920 say at forty nine seconds in is my first Muppet 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.879 exit that I ever did in the show Scrubs, which 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.600 which which I always thought of, was when I when 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.600 I would just turn my head. I always I always 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.280 laughed at how Kermit the Frog and all the Muppets 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.719 Sesame Street characters would always turn and then and then 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.800 walk out. Yeah, so I h when I when I 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.239 leave the viewing room here, I sort of do a 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.200 side turn and I just kind of laughed. I think 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.680 that was the first time I tried out my successful 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:33.480 Muppet exit. 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.880 You used also ever got yeah became. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.440 Well it was it was a go to bill at 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.719 one eleven. There's an exterior shot of the hospital that 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:43.719 has never ever seen again, I don't think. And I 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.239 noticed that it says something about women's on the top 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:46.600 of it. 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:47.840 Yeah, I didn't. 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.520 I didn't paint it out. 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.080 We didn't have the budget at the time to be 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.120 painting or no to be painting things out. But it's 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.560 funny watching the early episodes, there's like, it looks like 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:58.360 you guys were it looks like someone was like, do 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.640 we have an exterior shot at the hospital? Nah? How 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:01.680 about that one? All right? 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.799 Well, we went and shot a bunch of stuff that 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.680 we used in the pilot, and then once we ran 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.440 out of that stuff, we just started shooting into our 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:08.960 own building. 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.080 Right. But this one was this This was not because 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.919 it says women's something at the top. 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.920 Yeah, No, it was particularly bad. There's a lot of 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:17.520 bad stuff in here, guys. You know. 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:19.239 I always get shipped. 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.279 For that because I'm always like you guys, remember my 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.759 favorite thing to say when we're so busy is I'll 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:27.120 take all I'll take all the mail on that, Okay, 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.040 So someone like an editor would come up and go, 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.920 that says women's Like when the letters come and there 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.000 are thousands of them are. 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.359 Going to come. Deer Scrubs used to be a huge fan. 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.359 But that hospital exterior said women's on it. You can 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.240 send all those letters to me, I'll take all the mail. 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.720 And it was such an arrogant, dicky thing to say, 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:45.400 but I just never got caught up. 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.280 No, but it's true because if they're looking at stuff 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:48.920 like that, they're not really watching the show, you know 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:49.279 what I mean. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:49.560 Yeah. 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.279 Bill would always said that when when we were like, 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.200 when we were all holding up for something like you're 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.680 in the wrong you're wearing the wrong watch, Bill would 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.080 be like, guys, I'll take all the mail on the 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.120 wrong Watch's. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.120 That? And then the neatest thing that you could say 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:05.719 is to say it to John Inwood all the time 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:07.759 was he would make you, guys wait while he went 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.480 and fixed a light, you know, way in the background, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:11.320 to take you ten minutes. 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.239 And when he finally got back to camera, I was. 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.080 Go, Showsaver, sure. 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:19.480 You know we were in real. 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.560 Trouble and you fixed it with that light that's one 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:22.600 hundred yards. 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:23.000 In the background. 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.359 Yeah. Well, the man was passionate. He wanted to get 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:26.839 it just perfect, Zach. 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.560 That was also the episode was also not only your 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.960 first muppet exit. I wish I had a wider frame, 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:33.600 but the first time that when you got up from 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.280 following that you shook out your shoulders. 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:40.279 Oh really, I'm frozen in a frame. Here at two 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.959 minutes of me in a threesome fantasy with Sarah Chaw 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.880 and another beautiful model and we're all sweaty, And the 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:48.840 first thing that came in my head was, could you 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:52.000 even do that today on a half hour single camera 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:52.920 network comedy. 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.960 Not that cause it was pretty uh suggestive and graphic risque. 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.920 Sure, that was so awesome, by the way, like holy count. 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:04.600 My job right right. 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.759 Well, first of all, it was so awesome because that's 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.880 everybody's fantasy to get married and for your wife to 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.279 be like, yeah, we could do this, it's going. 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:15.560 To be It's also one of it's one of the 0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.879 best outtakes ever. Do you remember that one outtake where 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.200 Zach was like, yeah, keep kissing when the don't stop. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:21.160 You remember that. 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.000 I remember something being like I was like, I know, 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.080 I think I was like keep rolling. 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.000 Yeah. Look, I've had this discussion a lot. There's tons 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.880 of things on our show you couldn't do now, correctly 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.480 or incorrectly, Like the Todd is an interesting one, oh 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:41.560 you know, And we used to say, like the Todd 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:42.479 started in a way. 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:43.560 I don't know if you remember. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.520 It was always in a banana hammock because I said, 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.319 if we're gonna do a young man's fantasies and see 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:54.000 women's scantily clad. I think we have to see as much, 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:57.279 if not more, ridiculous male nudity, and so Todd would 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.640 just always be in a banana hammick end he was 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:06.440 representative of somebody intentionally so crass, are so ludicrous that 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:10.239 he's to be laughed at and not with. But unfortunately 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.600 I think he was laughed with a lot. Uh So 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:14.840 I don't know if you could do him now. The 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.360 one things I always get busted on or two storylines. 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.360 One is when the janitor turned JD into a racist, 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:25.920 and one is when I put Donald's picture on the 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.160 cover of his college magazine twice. Do you remember when 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.439 I said, like, your college was so happy to have 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.239 an accomplished, great black guy that you know in their 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:40.240 lily white school that on their brochure, your your pictures 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:45.400 there twice. Yeah, they photoshopped you in twice just to 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:47.160 look like a PC college. You know. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.120 Well, I noticed that. I noticed that There are a 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.600 lot of things and this is just how how time 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.560 has gone. First, of all the shows about sexual harassment, 0:41:54.960 --> 0:42:00.200 which is very uh being too dominant right now, one 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:05.080 of Hollywood's biggest movie makers is now in jail for 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.440 doing horrible horrible, horrible things, right, but we're touching things 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.800 like that that are kind of untouched, Like you can't 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.080 touch these things now, these things that we were doing 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.600 in the show back in the day, some of these things, 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.359 networks will be like no, no, no, no, no no, let's 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:19.439 stay away from that, Let's stay away. 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.080 Oh, they'd be so careful. 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.040 I think, as Bill said, for some for better, we've 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.720 evolved and we probably wouldn't make some of those jokes today, 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.239 and in some I wonder if, in this example, with 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.759 the sort of sexual sweaty threesome fantasy, I'm just surprised 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.560 Bill that you got it. I mean, I knew you 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:37.440 wanted to push the envelope of what the show could be. 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.440 I'm just I just wondered, like, even now in twenty twenty, 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.440 if in a primetime network comedy, if you could do 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.839 a sweaty sex threesome joke. 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:47.480 No. 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.680 Look, I want to answer two things. Because what Donald 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.440 was saying, you know, is interesting. We talked about it 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.880 a lot because I don't know if you remember in 0:42:55.920 --> 0:43:00.040 this episode the resolve is that would have been a 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:06.680 completely different story if doctor Cox or younger male was 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:10.879 calling Sarah sweetheart and the boys sport, but we were 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.120 kind of anticipating something. 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:12.880 We talked about it. 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.719 Kelso was of a different generation. He was older than 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.240 all you guys. He called you is definitely an old 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.239 school dude. You can never say these things are innocuous. 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.920 But it was a time in which at the end 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:29.040 John c McGinley talks to Sarah and goes, if you're 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:33.680 going to get mad about some quasi term of endearment, 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.040 you know from an old out of touch dude, you 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.120 know your life here is going to be a lot 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.040 more complicated than it has to be. And she took 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.440 the lesson of picking my battles, you know. So to 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:49.040 Donald's answer, I think it's a story you can maybe 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.160 still do if you're talking. Although we've now moved twenty 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.279 years away from that. At that time we were going like, hey, 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.440 here's a guy in his mid to late sixties. 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.680 You know that is without a doubt, of a generation. 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.480 I got so much trouble when he Kelso said to 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.040 a male nurse, you know, oh, you're wondering why you 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.080 don't get respected, It's because you're doing a woman's job. 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:12.840 And our intent was that Kelso is so out of 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.759 touch that he would say that, you know what I mean. 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:19.040 And then the complaints I got from Nurses Association, got 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.840 letters and stuff, true, were how could you have a 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.799 character saying that when it's such a problem that characters 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.200 that people out there, especially from that generation, believe that 0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:29.719 and say that. 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.160 I'm like, right, it's real. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:32.919 He's the bad guy on the show. 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.600 And there's a nursing shortage, so like, don't discourage people. 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:37.759 Yeah, he's the bad guy on the show. He has 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.800 those thoughts, and in a good way. I think Kelso 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:45.680 evolved and into Zach's question. It comes all under the 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.959 heading and it's not just with those two girls, which 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.080 was a joke and obviously a joke about some you know, 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.399 young male fantasy, but this is for both of you, 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.880 and for Sarah and for Judy. 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:57.560 When I said the show has to. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:01.359 Be real, beyond the goofiness, what we thought about more 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.080 than jokes was about when we would have sex scenes, 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.560 you know, and it was really important to me, not 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:11.319 no ascibious way that they seemed. They didn't seem like 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:15.000 a TV sitcom kiss where everybody goes and some of 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:19.239 the romance scenes between Zach and Sarah and Donald and 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.280 Judy and even Johnny C and my wife, which still 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.120 turns my stomach a little bit because I had to 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:24.520 see it. 0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.120 You did, you did? 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.440 I had to kiss Christa so early and I was 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.000 still in the terrified of Bill phase, and it was 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.640 an early episode I don't know what, probably five or something, 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.080 and I had to make out with Christa and I 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.640 remember being like, this is the craziest job. I'm about 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.360 to make out with my boss's wife for him. 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:48.680 I still have that on a loop at my house. 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:52.960 It's awesome hard soon No, Yeah, I mean he's super sexy. 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:53.840 I'm really grateful. 0:45:54.000 --> 0:46:00.719 Oh my gosh, it is did you did? 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.920 You guys think you were doing fairly racy sex scenes. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:04.160 The time. 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.080 Throughout the whole show. I mean, I can't that big 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.840 famous one that Sarah I did with the pizza. I 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.799 remember that being like, I can't believe they're gonna put 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.120 put this on TV. This is gonna be censored. And 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.359 all my stuff with Amy Smart, I remember being like, 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:19.480 they're gonna air this. 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.520 I was really excited about and not in that way, 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.200 but like when Judy and I would do scenes together, 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.400 I was it really felt like we were a couple 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:33.879 when watched when I watched it, you know what I mean, 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.040 because that's how I don't know that there was just 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:41.319 something that was really uh uh uh. She and I 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.960 had great chemistry, I feel like, and because of that, 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.920 and because of that, I uh you know when I 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.279 watched her stuff. That's that's what everybody hopes for when 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:53.920 they do romantic stuff, that the audience believes it. And 0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.680 if the audience doesn't believe it, well hopefully I believe it, 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:57.319 you know what I mean? 0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:59.640 And much I liked you guys. 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.920 I like you guys. There's no offense because I love 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.280 Zach and Sarah. But my favorite couple on the show, 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.480 Donald and Judy because as a writer's room in a 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.359 glassman the writer's room. One of the things we put 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.080 on those boards in the first couple of weeks was 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.080 we're gonna get Turk and Carla together and never break 0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:20.759 them up and never threaten them. And you know, because 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.200 we're gonna do will there won't they with the other 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.080 characters and how cool is it to see a couple 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:28.000 that finds each other and works right? And the only 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.000 reason we ever even had you guys have a little 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.919 dip here there as a couple was because we never 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.359 expected the show to last nine years, and we had 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.759 to be like, we should probably throw a couple of 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:38.680 curve balls their way. 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:43.440 Man, looking back at it now, it's the it's perfect 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.640 as a young man doing you know who's on a 0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.160 television show? Like I used to be like, and we're 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.400 gonna have Holly Berry on the show as my love interest, 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.200 and we and those things that never ever happened. 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.200 Were you bummed out? Not not that it was Judy 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.880 because she's a knockout, but were you my love I know, 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:02.880 but were you like where are all my love interests? 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.960 Yeah? Absolutely, man, But when you look back at the storytelling, 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.080 when you look back at at at the relationship that 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.319 those two have, Like I can't post pictures of my 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.720 wife and I because people are like, that's not Carlo. 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:19.120 Yeah, I get it. By the way, post pictures of 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.040 me hugging anyone because they're like, why aren't you hugging turk? 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:22.680 Right? 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.320 That's that's the other one that comes up. I'll be like, 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.880 here's a lovely picture of me and my family, and 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.520 I'd be like, that's not where's JD? Where's that graph? People? 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.839 People hit me all the time too with how and 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:36.640 we tried to do it. You and Judy react to 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.879 you know, TV is a world in which a wife 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:40.480 has her hands on her hips and is frustrated with 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.800 a husband or the husband's like, you know, you're crazy. 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.720 And even when we sent you guys in crazy stories. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.560 One of my favorite scenes was in a later episode, 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:53.200 but when you guys find out Judy's pregnant before she does, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:58.799 and you're gonna tell her and uh, everybody knows but her, 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.920 And know the cool thing about your characters is that 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.920 you when when it comes to a comedic peak and 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.759 we did this a lot, you admit fault and then she, 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.200 instead of punishing you for it, says, who gives a ship? 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:16.040 We're having a baby, you know what I mean. And 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.600 that's not often how real couples work. So it was 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:20.000 a couple to aspire. 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.360 To, right, I thought, Looking back at it now, I 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.839 love it, like just the even the courtship, even how 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.880 the show starts and how these guys start offs. You 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.960 know they're not together, but if you didn't watch the 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.640 show from the beginning, you would imagine that when the 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.040 show was introduced, these characters started off to you know 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.480 what I mean, Like you watch family Guy and you 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.319 and you say, okay, so Peter's married to and this 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.080 is his family and this is and you accept that 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.720 the whole way through. There's no need for an origin 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.120 story or anything like that. And that's how I feel 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.840 it is with Carla and Turk. There's no need for 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.640 an origin story. They're just a TV couple that works, 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:56.200 you know what I mean? 0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:00.000 Yeah, I was looking. I was thinking about this because 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:03.080 is get taking it back to the episode, like the 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.120 way Zach was doing cool things and freezing frames. I 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.400 was trying to remember minutia for you guys, and the 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.600 only the Turk and Carla Manusha I remember was the 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.799 scene in which you two are going to hang out 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:19.600 and watch Fletch and then Donald leaves. It was very 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.000 subtle we had. It's one of those discussions you have 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.440 in the writer's room. It's like Donald's liked to watch 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.640 Fletch and Carla says, do you want to go hang 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.680 out in your room? We don't want just Carla to 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:33.120 go do you want to go? Fuck? Because that makes 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:34.200 her seem like a bimbo. 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:35.480 And we don't want. 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:38.960 Turk to just you know, be like I'll drop JD 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.480 in an instant. So like the dumb things you argue 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.279 about in writer's room, you won't even notice unless you 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:46.120 watch it again. Did you see that Carlo was holding 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.719 two beers? So like when she goes to you go 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.880 look at that gainst she goes, you're watching Fletch. You 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.840 know it's funny when we do all the lines. She goes, hey, 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:55.480 you want to go hang out in your room? And 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.359 she's got so it's not the women in the writing staff. 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:00.000 I right wanted to make it. Oh, we're not just 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:01.880 going to go fuck. I mean we will eventually, but 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:03.759 she's got two beers. So it's like, do you want 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.359 to go out your room, we both have a beer, 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.279 we'll shoot the ship and then we'll hook up. And 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.719 that fine line I think people is me being a nerd. 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:12.719 I think people, even if they don't notice that it's 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.120 subtext that they if you do a ton of it, 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.879 they gradually notice that it's more than just physical. Right, 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.520 that scene also, Zach had and you can and I'll hand. 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.239 It back to you, but you had. 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.000 One of our other first arguments was we constantly fought 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.560 in the writer's room. I made huge mistakes as we 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.800 went along about things that should be a fantasy and shouldn't. 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:38.200 And this was one of the first arguments because when 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.279 Carlos's do you want to go. 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.200 Hang out in my room? We look to you and 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:41.560 when we. 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.239 Look back, the remote control is still hovering in the air. Yeah, 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:47.520 and it drops at It's very bugs bunny. And it 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:49.399 was not done as a fantasy, you know what I mean? 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:51.920 And you already did you always this early have the 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:55.120 sort of white flash to a fantasy always, I forget. 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.719 Yeah, we were, we were making the rules still, but 0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:01.520 we hadn't done the sound effects because we were just 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.560 starting to obsess about the difference between fantasies and flashbacks. 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:06.799 Well, you know, one of the funniest things I think 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:09.960 in throughout nine years of Scrubs is that Bill was 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:15.000 always dancing around what is so broad that's that it's 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.640 a fantasy, or what could exist in this world? And 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.640 there's a There's two that come to mind as my 0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:22.640 favorites that he put in the real world, but we're 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.000 probably supposed to be fantasies. One one is when when 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:31.480 Donald packs me into the bag, it was literally it 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:36.320 was literally the size of a fucking bowling bag. It 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.480 was a backpack, and I was like, and if you 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:41.680 remember my like arm and leg were sticking up like 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:43.399 my body would never fake. 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.759 I had a fake foot by your head and then 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:49.120 so when he scratched your nose, your foot went h. 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:51.360 That was real and in the real world. And the 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:53.920 other one is that the janitor builds a full size 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.239 house out of sand in the parking lot, and that 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:57.040 was in the real world. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:57.799 That all right. 0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:01.520 The sand castle is not my fault because the sand castle, 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.080 the gag, you know, it was written like it was 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.040 real in the script, and we thought it would be 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.560 a sand castle like the size of like you ever 0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:13.600 see a kid's playhouse like outside, something you could actually build, 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:17.239 right and are when I showed up, I drove, I 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.120 tried to drive to my parking spot that morning, and 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.920 the parking lot was closed. I better gone uh oh 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:29.080 the corner and there was like a final tap, there 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:32.440 was a sand castle as big as my home. I'm like, oh, no, 0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.919 well that's and we can't say it's a fantasy, because 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:37.000 I think he lived there. 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.320 For most of the episode. He kept yelling at people. 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:50.680 Those are the two that always stuck out of my 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.719 mind as one, and I'm sure as we go through 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:54.920 the series we'll find other ones. But I remember thinking like, 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.480 oh my god, that one in the bag was in 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:58.320 the sand castle. 0:53:59.200 --> 0:53:59.960 Yeah, they're a mistake. 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.480 So listen to twenty five. We were talking about how 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.239 you phased out In this episode you went nuts with 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.799 sound effects and there's there's literally a horn noise when Johnny. 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:11.239 For fucking. 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:14.680 When you and Jad eventually. 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:19.239 Do Yeah, I mean this episode is this This might 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:22.120 have been your peak sound effects moment as you're figuring out. 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:23.920 Oh no, there's another one coming. I know there's another 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:24.759 one coming. 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.160 But this one has this one has the ear flick 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:30.759 noise and also pretty much like anytime Johnny c moved. 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:36.440 Just you guys did the trivia question of Jeff's you 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.439 know the Powers that Be And you know it's hard 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.080 to screen rough cuts of single camera shows because they 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.879 wouldn't hear the laughs of all their friends and Will 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:44.239 and Grace. 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.319 Is this funny? And I thought it was funny. I 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:48.799 hated those sound effects so much. 0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:50.600 Did you guys do the trivia question of the one 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.480 sound effect that stayed all nine years? 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.920 It's got to be the wish to go away into fantasy? 0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.960 Yeah, no wish to fantasies? Though, is not a sign 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:00.880 effect with an actor. There's an actor. 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:02.399 Oh oh, Todd high five? 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:06.800 Whoops, there you go, Todd's high five being amplified times 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:07.320 nine thousand. 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:08.680 I think it's I think that's the. 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:11.520 Sound of like a rubber matt being slapped on the ground, 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.080 you know, And we kept that one forever. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.879 That's funny. They really hurt, by the way. I mean, John, 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:22.719 I'm not being a whimp. They genuinely hurt. 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.000 No one's calling you a wimp. But come on, he. 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.760 Still passes out five's, you know on the line to people. 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.480 I know you can. You can go on Cameo. By 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.239 the way, We'll give Rob a shout out. You can 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:34.040 go on Cameo and Rob Maschio will send you a 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:38.239 message and high five you virtually, and go hire Rob 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.719 to give your friends a virtual high five on came 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:45.360 I kind of want to get one for Donald. 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.200 I'll accept and receive it, thank you very much. 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.200 Three twenty six, The janitor says one of my favorite 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:54.000 lines of the first season. You see him unhappy. I 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:54.400 like that. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:01.000 I had forgotten that he locked you outside. 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.719 And was talking about Neil for his second bill because 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:04.800 we told we shared with the with the listeners the 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:08.239 story about how you know he wasn't intended to be 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:10.480 in your mind as big a role as he was, 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.239 or and then and of course everyone always discusses that 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.399 he may have been a figment of my imagination if 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:17.839 if the show only went one season, But just talk 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.720 about Neil and how you kept expanding his part because 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:22.040 he was just so friggin funny. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.080 I have a question, did he have to audition? Also, 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.200 that's the other question. He did not happen. 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:28.640 Here's what here's here's what happened is Neil does the 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:32.160 stand up bit when he's interviewed, because he's a really 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:33.440 good actor. I don't know if you guys have ever 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.839 seen him any of his dramatic stuff. In the middle, 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.640 he was so and he's so good. Yeah, and he 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.040 came in and read for John mcf doctor Cox and 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.839 he was really good. But literally there, because we were 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:47.560 old buddies, I'm like, you're going to be the janitor 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.759 and uh. And so when he talks about it, he's like, 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.359 so I really prepared and I came in and then 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.080 Bill's not gonna be the janet. And when Neil does 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.000 the bit, Neil's like, well, I still carry around like 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.399 a clipboard and a step mop, carry around a mop. 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:06.360 Well I get to wear one of those cool lab jumpsuit. 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:07.200 Gray jumpsuit. 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:10.239 Oh, he would get so mad. Neil would that it 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:14.080 wasn't a jumpsuit. He goes, it's a gray shirt and pants. 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:15.200 It's not a jumpsuit. 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.880 I'm sorry. I always thought that his character was like 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.479 the worst janitor in the world, But when you watch 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.480 the show, he's always working and he's always doing his job. 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:28.720 He was never lazy, you know what I mean. 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:30.400 He was drunk most of the time. 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.120 That was one of my favorite lines ever's have you 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:33.680 been drinking? 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:41.560 I'm not drunk? Na, So look JD, the real JD told. 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.800 Me often when he was talking about it, there would 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.080 always be somebody, as there is any group dynamic when 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.080 he was a resident, would just plague him. You know, 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.600 it wasn't always a janitor whatever. So I wanted to 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.120 come up with that character for you, and I thought 0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.680 it would be a line here or there. But Neil 0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.800 was so funny man and such a gift just to 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.440 have around. And he's you know me, whenever I take 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.560 someone's funny in their buddy, I put him or hurry 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.480 in as much as I possibly can, so he became 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:12.280 more and more of a character in ways I never thought. 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.160 And part of the joy for me of going back 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.080 and look at these episodes not only seeing moments like 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.240 that Zach that I know Neil made up. You know, 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:24.160 like even in this episode, you're screaming and the line 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.360 in the script is la la la, I can't hear you. 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:28.440 But then I kept it in because like, that's one 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:29.880 of the first times that I looked into editing. 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.000 And then there was Neil going, what you love who? 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.520 You know what I mean? They just playing around with you, 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:35.960 you know what I mean? 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.840 I remember the scenes with Neil would always be so 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.240 fun because you know, we'd all riffer around, but Neil 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.120 was the best at it, and and you just never 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.880 knew what he was going to say. And I just 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.640 remember I always knew I was gonna laugh extra hard 0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:52.400 because he would just come up with the craziest shit ever. 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.680 I was randomly down the wormhole of getting ready to 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.520 talk to you. To you guy, by the way, the 0:58:57.600 --> 0:58:59.360 end of my other sentence was one of the gifts 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.360 for me as I to show go on and evolved, 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.360 some stuff got worse as a writer, you know, like 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.600 when you say I torture myself when I got too 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:09.320 broad and stuff like that. But then some stuff got better, 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.480 characters got richer, and last night, randomly, I was watching 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.920 Neil interact with Donald, you know, I mean, I don't 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:16.680 know if you remember when he had a sock puppet. 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.880 He's like, he pretended to hit you with the days 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:24.240 and your dynamic with him was so funny as well. 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.240 You know, it was cool to see him start to 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:31.320 interact with other characters. But the wormhole I ended up 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.200 putting last night and everybody should go look for it. 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.600 There's a scene with Sam Lloyd who plays Ted, and 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.280 Zach and Neil and you guys are trying to help 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:43.360 Neil with a girlfriend. You know, he's trying to the 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:47.800 girl that played the ukulele Kate mccoucheoch. You're trying to 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.240 get him to go for it with her. And I 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.440 told Neil, I'm like, you got to make up something 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.600 of what you did with your girlfriend. And Neil, Zach, 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.120 we used your real reactions. He made up a monologue 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.200 about killing a dust for her. It's not in the script, 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.040 and I watched it last night. He goes, he starts 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:07.720 and he goes, he goes, look, you should give her 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:11.920 a present, like something personal, something you made. Like when 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.320 I first started dating lady, I gave her a duck 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:18.280 that I killed already already a weird premise, right, And 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:20.840 then he said, I know what you're asking. Wouldn't it 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:22.960 have been more personal to kill her in front of her? 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:25.520 And yes, it would have, which is also made up. 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.520 And then he goes, but the duck and I were 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:33.160 driving over and and he goes, he goes, maybe I 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.080 was having a bad day, maybe he was. 1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:35.520 I don't know. 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:37.960 But next thing you know, we're pulled over on the 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:40.280 side of the road, shirts off, which meant. 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:41.280 The duck was wearing your shirt. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:45.040 He goes, next thing you know, we're pulled over on 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:46.960 the side of the road, shirts off, you know, seeing 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:50.200 what's what? So Neil described a scene that he beat 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:56.440 a duck to down on the side of the freeway. Yes, 1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:58.640 and I'm like, that's why that guy's in the show 1:00:58.680 --> 1:00:59.120 so much. 1:00:59.160 --> 1:00:59.360 Man. 1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:01.680 I said, hey, come up with something that you did 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.680 for your girlfriend, And he's like, what he's probably looking 1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:08.400 for is that I beat a duck to death for 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:11.080 her and then brought it over so she could cook it. 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.680 He would also just come up with the craziest ship 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.640 and to the point where in later episodes, in later 1:01:17.680 --> 1:01:19.960 seasons Bill sometimes it would just say in the script, 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:22.120 it just and then Neil makes up something. 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.600 Yeah, Neil, please say something funny. It's late one script. 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.240 I guess it was late night in the writer's room, Bill, 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:29.320 and you're like, we're not gonna do that. Just put 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:30.600 Neil says something funny. 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:33.080 Yeah, dude, I wrote that in the script. At the 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:34.920 first time, I'm like, Neil, it's two in the morning, 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.880 just say something funny. And the next day he did. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:41.640 You know, I liked it the most when I got 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:44.200 to see him with you guys or with Sarah actually 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:46.760 having a real moment, you know, because it was so 1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:48.360 cool that he could actually deliver. You know. 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:51.640 That's the interesting thing as we you know, as a 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:55.200 show goes on, you start to see people's first one 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:59.120 on one scenes together. And so in this episode, John 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:03.320 c McGinley and Sarah have their first real one on 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:07.960 one scene where she's asking him for advice. And at 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:12.000 this point, we as an audios, as an audience member, 1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:14.200 we think that JD and John c McGinley are the 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:18.120 only ones that you know, that's the only dad son relationship, 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:20.080 but he was actually a dad to all of us 1:02:20.440 --> 1:02:22.560 in this show as far as you know what I mean. 1:02:22.560 --> 1:02:25.080 And this was the first episode where we see Sarah 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:28.960 and him, uh and and actually him mess with Sarah 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:33.000 in a way that could have gotten her fired, you 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.080 know what I mean. I just thought that's I thought 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:37.760 that was very interesting because eventually you have to introduce everybody, 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.920 even though it took you know, a whole season for 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:43.680 everybody to meet the janitor, for the janitor to do 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:46.040 other scenes with, for Neil to do other scenes with 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:49.800 everyone other than Zach. It was just it's just interesting 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:51.880 because when the show starts off, it seems like the 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:54.160 bubble is so small, you know what I mean. And 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:57.960 it starts with j D's relationship with everybody, but then 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:00.240 as it goes on, the bubble just kept getting bigger 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:02.720 and bigger and bigger. It's a great metaphor, and by 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:05.520 the end of it, we're all in the same universe together. 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.280 And this is also the first episode where the hospital 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.240 gets really wacky all of a sudden, you know what 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.960 I mean, Like we weren't whacky before that. Before this, 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:16.400 we were you know, even though it's episode three, we started. 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:18.880 This is where we're starting to do things that later 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:22.800 on I think, you know, I love it when you 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:26.120 jump from episode one or two and you jump all 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:29.320 the way to episode you know, season three, episode five, 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:31.640 because the growth of the show is so different, you 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:32.160 know what I mean. 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.160 I think about it in terms of characters, Like, what's 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.680 one of the things that's hard for me to watch 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:42.440 about the early episodes is Ken Jenkins is such a 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:45.480 good actor, and he was the bad guy on this show, 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:51.400 and I had not yet realized how deliciously silly and 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.640 funny that guy could be. You know, that guy is 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:58.040 a comedy assassin. But he was so good at being 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:00.720 a guy that you just hated, you know what I mean, 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:02.440 And and we leaned into that, and he didn't have 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:05.240 any other levels. So it's so cool when he expands, 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.120 you know what I mean, to see that you know 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:10.680 that he's silly and funny, that Johnny c can be 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:14.000 kind here or there, that Donald and the janitor can 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:15.720 go back and forth at each other but be on 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:19.240 different playing fields because Donald's not threatened. I mean, it's 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:21.280 it's weird to see you guys all at the beginning 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:23.920 because I did like the rich characters that you all 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:24.720 became very much. 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:29.720 You know, I love it. 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:36.040 Bill. We take a caller here on our show, and 1:04:36.120 --> 1:04:37.320 it looks like, by the. 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:39.680 Way, I just thought it was a super villain because 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.480 it is us a as a gentleman. That is. 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:48.320 For you guys listening at home. His picture came up 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:50.840 on zoom and he's petting a cat, like like the 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:51.959 evil genius. 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:56.840 You all are enjoying talking about your show. Well, I 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:58.440 have bad news. 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.600 That's all right, Well, go ahead and introduce him. 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.280 Yes, Hi, Mike, thanks so much for joining us. 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:06.200 Hi everyone, how are you? 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:07.280 Can you hear me? Yes? 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:08.959 We can you just fine, Martin. 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:11.200 It's my first ever zoom meeting. I've never done this. 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:12.160 I'm glad it's working. 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:13.200 I'm glad you're here. 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:17.160 Well, Mark, you picked a good episode, uh to beyond 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.840 because you have the creator of the whole show, Bill Lawrence. 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:22.480 So if you have a question for any of us, 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:23.160 go ahead. 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:25.600 Oh well, hello Bill Lawrence, and hello all of you. 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:27.800 That's awesome. I'm so glad. 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:29.720 To be Where do you live, by the way, I 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:30.640 live in Chicago. 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:34.400 I'm on the northwest side Chicago, up in Avondale, Old 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:35.480 Irving Park area. 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.200 Shotaw, stand up, we. 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:38.200 Were just talking about Neil Flynn. 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:39.800 That's where that's the area of the world that he 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:40.160 is from. 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:44.240 My friend really Oh, but not your specific area. But 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.200 he's from Chicago. No, but he was like downstairs right now, 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:47.560 right now? 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.600 No no, no, no, I mean he could be all right, 1:05:49.640 --> 1:05:51.000 go ahead, Mark, all right. 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:54.680 Even from the earliest episodes, Scrubs wasn't afraid to raise 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:57.600 social issues and took a clear stance that I thought 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:01.680 prioritized like well being of people over the economics and 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.520 insurance bureaucracy. I felt like this helped a lot of 1:06:04.640 --> 1:06:07.320 young people, myself included, start thinking about the human side 1:06:07.360 --> 1:06:09.880 of healthcare and healthcare like as a human right for 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:11.640 the first time, and sort of some of those more 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:14.160 serious issues. So I was just wondering if you guys 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:17.920 recalled any specific moments from production episodes or moments on 1:06:17.960 --> 1:06:20.560 set that might have changed your influence the way you 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:23.400 guys have you the sort of work done by your characters, 1:06:23.520 --> 1:06:25.480 or just sort of the healthcare system as a whole. 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:29.920 Wow, that's Donald and Zach answer this for the show. 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.520 I will tell you I've been thinking about this a 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:37.760 lot lately. Mark because the real JD and my pal 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.320 we were both kind of screw ups with a lot 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.040 with very little direction as young guys. And I remember 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:45.200 asking him what the hell he was doing going back 1:06:45.240 --> 1:06:48.080 to pre med, and he talked about wanting to be 1:06:48.200 --> 1:06:52.960 of service, you know, and his viewpoint right now. 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:54.960 You know, not to make this two poignant. 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:57.760 I FaceTime with him every night when he gets off 1:06:57.840 --> 1:07:00.120 work because he's run of the COVID command centers on 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:02.680 the whole ICU for this hospitals we spoke about, and 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.040 it helps him decompress and not take that stuff into 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:09.760 his family. And he as a caregiver cares so much 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:13.920 more about the humanistic side than any of this other bullshit. 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.720 And he instilled that upon me, and he said we 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:19.880 could steal all of his stories, but we could never 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.720 have a callousness. He said, he was only interested in 1:07:23.800 --> 1:07:26.760 me stealing his stories in his life and his name 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:31.560 if The undercurrent of the show was that it was 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:34.600 about a bunch of people flaws and all that cared 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:37.760 most about helping and taking care of other people. So 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.960 that was part of the series. And I'll weave the 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.560 rest to Donald and Zach. That's cool that you asked 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:44.280 that because I think about him every day. He's out 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:45.960 there doing stuff much. 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:48.640 More important, of course, And and and it's the perfect 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:52.640 question for this era, Mark because these these these medical 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.360 professionals and everyone who's working in the industry, whether you're 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:59.760 a doctor, a nurse, or a janitor, a medic, everyone 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:04.560 who in this environment is as the world is finally 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.479 seeing in the spotlight how heroic these people are. And 1:08:08.560 --> 1:08:10.800 I think I always felt when we were making the 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:14.720 show that Bill was really shining a light on how 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:17.400 dedicated these folks were and how they had to deal 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:19.559 with life and death every single day. One thing that 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:22.120 really stood out for me when you asked your question 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:25.519 was the I remember learning that the nurses really run 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:28.519 the show. I hadn't spent much time in a hospital 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:33.200 when we started making Scrubs, and I learned that the 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:37.000 doctors can't do it without the nurses, and the nurses 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:40.080 are the ones who are on the front lines, and 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:42.080 the doctors have to be rotating, and they can't do 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:45.120 anything without the help of amazing nurses. It wasn't until 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:48.479 I spent more time in hospitals with both my father 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:51.680 and my sister getting sick, that I really this was 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:53.880 after Scrubs, but I remember being like, wow, this is 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:56.000 everything we were doing is so real. I'm witnessing it 1:08:56.000 --> 1:08:58.479 on the front lines that we see that doctor like 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:01.519 every now and then, But man, these nurses and when 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:03.519 we have a good one, it is such a difference, 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:06.439 and me puts a smile on my sick father's face, 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:08.519 and when we have one that's a little bit aloof 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:12.320 it just drives you crazy. And I just really it 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:15.200 really came home to me everything we have been doing 1:09:15.200 --> 1:09:18.360 on the show, how crucial and how important the people 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:21.080 on the front lines, particularly in this anecdote I'm telling 1:09:21.240 --> 1:09:23.400 the nursing staff of hospitals were to me. 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:25.760 The one thing that really sticks out for me is 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:30.000 to piggyback on what Bill said, is you know, for 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:34.160 some hospitals, if you don't have insurance, you can't get treated. 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:37.360 And the one thing that Scrubs did which I thought 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:40.280 was amazing was we had a bunch of the doctors 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.320 on the show were a bunch of rule breakers, benders, 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.680 especially when it came to something like that, you know 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:49.280 what I mean. That was always special for me because 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:53.280 you know, a lot of people don't have great insurance, 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:56.400 especially right now a lot of people. 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:58.400 Don't have it and or any insurance at all. 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.479 And Test Church at all, thank you, Zach. And Test 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:03.880 costs a lot of money, you know what I mean. 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.800 And if there are rule breakers and rule benders out 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:11.080 there that can save lives in that way, I'm all 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:12.439 for that, you know what I mean. And I love 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:15.120 that we had people on the show, like doctor Cox. 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:17.960 When Kelso's trying to get this person out of the hospital, 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:20.760 Cox comes up with so many different ways to get 1:10:21.400 --> 1:10:23.759 this guy a bed, and I thought that was just amazing. 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:28.000 Hey, Mark, we obsessed so much about your question. All 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:31.040 in terms of the character doctor Kelso. There's an episode 1:10:32.080 --> 1:10:33.000 you guys might remember. 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:34.519 I remember the song. 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:38.040 And the scenes that because the real JD he runs 1:10:38.040 --> 1:10:40.040 a hospital now and he's like and you're forced with 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:42.720 having to make these decisions for the greater good. And 1:10:42.720 --> 1:10:45.720 there's an episode in which doctor Kelso you know, has 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:50.080 to punt a guy you know, from treatment that they've 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.840 done avasurance to have money in an effort to still 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:55.759 build other stuff and to have money to save other people. 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:58.840 And we made this joke about. 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:01.840 How every time doctor Kelson's foot hits the bottom of 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.599 the stairs when he leaves the hospital, he starts whistling 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:06.320 as if the day doesn't even affect him. 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:09.200 And at the end of that episode, even he because he. 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:11.960 Knew he was directly responsible for his guy not getting care, 1:11:12.920 --> 1:11:14.760 his foot hits and he has a moment you can 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:16.840 see it's really hard for him to start whistling again. 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:20.519 As a citizen Cope song called Sideways playing, and so 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:23.240 we just wanted to make sure that the people weren't 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:25.599 the villains and that the system was So yeah, I'm 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:27.479 really grateful that you noticed that and asked about it. 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:28.160 Awesome. 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:30.760 Thank you guys for giving such detailed, great responses. 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:33.760 Sure, I think it just speaks to how much you. 1:11:33.680 --> 1:11:35.960 Guys feel for the show and put into the show. 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:37.800 It really comes across, and I think that's why I've 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.000 been such a big fan for so long. 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:41.559 So thank you, Thank you, Mark, Thanks so much for 1:11:41.600 --> 1:11:42.280 asking your question. 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:45.720 Do you want to ask another question? Oh? Sure, all right, 1:11:45.880 --> 1:11:46.559 you get one more? 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:47.519 All right? 1:11:48.400 --> 1:11:52.400 So, this episode, episode three, and the show as a whole, 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:56.759 I think has a lot of moments that exemplify really healthy, 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:59.720 often sensitive male relationships. 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.600 Your guys's Turk and JD and JD and doctor. 1:12:03.360 --> 1:12:05.640 Cox and other ones, and I was just wondering if 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:07.840 you guys could maybe talk a little bit about what 1:12:07.880 --> 1:12:10.599 was important to you guys to have positive sort of 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:13.160 emotional moments between rose. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:15.840 And how that might have affected your real life. 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.160 I think that's a great question. I'm glad you asked 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:20.880 it with Bill on the show, because for me, I 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:24.080 really felt in a positive way. Granted we joked about 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:26.040 it a lot, but I thought in a positive way 1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:29.080 we were showing, you know, when we were growing up. 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:31.880 I mean when Donald, Bill's a smidge and older than us, 1:12:31.880 --> 1:12:33.640 but when Donald and I were growing up, you know, 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:37.200 anything you did that was a motive towards the guy 1:12:37.320 --> 1:12:39.600 you were called gay and it was derogatory and it 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:42.160 was negative, and it was just an adjective in high 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:44.400 school and junior high, in middle school and everything was 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:48.519 And I always as someone who was it's no surprise 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:51.160 I'm similar in a lot of ways to JD. I 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:54.160 always felt like, but this is who I am. I 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:57.000 am a guy who is a hugger and who's emotional 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.920 and where's his hardness sleeve and loves musicals who happens 1:12:59.920 --> 1:13:03.439 to be a heterosexual. And I felt like Bill wrote 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.479 a character a friendship that was like, well, we're gonna 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:09.599 show that that's okay to men in a way, because 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:12.120 I've noticed it in my life, you know, the fact 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.120 that Donald and I would hug and stuff. You know, 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:17.120 I did a Broadway show and Scrubs fans would come 1:13:17.160 --> 1:13:19.240 to the to the stage door and they'd be like, JD, 1:13:19.360 --> 1:13:21.320 can I have a hug? And I would always kind 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:23.759 of laugh. It was almost like the show was giving 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:27.160 a certain community of men telling them that it was 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:31.000 okay to You're not gonna no matter what your sexuality is, 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:34.280 who cares, It's not gonna be threatened by being like JD, 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:38.240 just being who you truly are. And I always thought 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:41.880 that that was a really positive thing that Bill put 1:13:41.880 --> 1:13:42.280 out there. 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:44.479 Yeah, I love that. I love the fact that the 1:13:44.520 --> 1:13:47.160 two of them were so comfortable around each other that 1:13:47.200 --> 1:13:49.760 they could be like brothers and lie in the same 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:53.519 bed in their underwear and it not be a thing 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:55.960 for them, you know what I mean. I like that, 1:13:56.080 --> 1:14:00.840 And I think that storyline definitely transferred into my real 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:03.360 life with Zach, you know what I mean, Like, I 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:09.200 feel like my comfortability about being around other men and 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:14.200 not being afraid to be who I am and accept 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:17.000 who they are is all because of Scrubs, you know 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:21.880 what I mean. I've played best friends in other projects, 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:25.040 and you know, you play the tough guy, et cetera, 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:28.080 et cetera. But with these guys, none of that stuff mattered. 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.160 What mattered was that they loved each other at the 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:33.000 end of the day. And I cherished the fact that 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:36.280 I can have friendships with men and I can say 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:39.519 to them I love you and it not be looked 1:14:39.520 --> 1:14:41.040 at as a bad thing. 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:44.840 It's a weird topic for me because you know, JD 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.000 was based on real JD. Donald's based on doctor. But 1:14:48.040 --> 1:14:51.240 the truth is with these two characters. Anyways, I always 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:53.000 joked around that I was kind of wrestling with both 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:55.000 sides of myself because. 1:14:56.040 --> 1:15:00.240 I am I played sports and was the high. 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:04.240 School jockey type guy that I was afraid of this stuff. 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:06.559 And on the other side, I do Zach and I 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:08.040 share a love of Broadway. 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.640 Musicals, Robin French, Gobil. 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:14.000 Ndtude. 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:20.800 All right, whatever, and uh you take the watch. That's 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:24.200 a digression. Well in later episodes, Okay, Uh. 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:27.880 True, I was always wrestling as a young man with 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:32.000 you know which which lane I fit in, and wishing 1:15:32.520 --> 1:15:35.280 that it would be easier just to not have to 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:38.840 pick a lane. And then these guys, look, the truth is, 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:42.519 whenever you create a relationship as a writer, it's yours 1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:45.680 for a second. And then the actors, if they're great, 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.880 they wrestle ownership from you. And what starts out is 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:53.120 eighty twenty years. You know, quickly in this show became 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:56.439 fifty to fifty mine and theirs, and then became all 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:59.080 theirs in a way that I would write moments that 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:03.080 weren't supposed to be romance moments, you know, like whether 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:05.400 it was them wanting to hug each other, you know, 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:07.799 at the end, and then when I look in the dailies, 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:10.040 they're rubbing their faces and heads against. 1:16:09.680 --> 1:16:16.840 Me, Like that's my favorite gift. Is my favorite gift, 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:19.559 and use it all the time. 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:20.040 Whatever. 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:24.360 People are always like you using gifts of yourself. I'm like, yeah, 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:24.880 that one I do. 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:27.559 Because it really looks like we're trying to smell each other, dude, 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:29.040 really looks like. 1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:30.840 By the way I think one of you had lived 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.400 in that you smell like an athlete and in a 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.840 way that you're just so happy. So my point is 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:40.240 I was doing it as an intellectual exercise, and these 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:42.240 guys made it something more and it's all about their 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:45.120 You get lucky on a TV show when what you're 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:48.920 watching feels even more real because the undercurrent of it 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.360 their intense friendship Israel. 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:55.200 You know. I also like that when we meet people nowadays, 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:58.120 they're so eager to talk about their best friend and 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:00.120 how much they love their best friend, you know what 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:02.880 I mean, and that that that makes me feel great. 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:05.160 You know, he's the brown bear to my vanilla bear, 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:06.160 or you know what I mean. 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:10.960 I honestly think it gave us a certain community of 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:13.559 men who watched the show and we're open to it, 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.599 a sort of permission to to to be more true 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:17.639 to who they were. 1:17:18.040 --> 1:17:19.560 A mark if you want to, if you want to 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:22.360 indulge my version of googling my own name is all 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:25.280 occasionally go looking at all these wedding videos where the 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:27.759 best man sings guy love to the groom. 1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:30.760 They're fantastic. There's like a thousand of them out there, 1:17:31.080 --> 1:17:33.639 and it always starts with a fake setup. 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:34.760 He's like, you know, I was trying to think of 1:17:34.800 --> 1:17:36.439 what to toast and what to blah blah, and I 1:17:36.439 --> 1:17:38.280 thought it's probably better to do win song. 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:40.599 There the facts and then the groom. 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:43.240 The groom always stands up with a microphone too, because 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:46.080 they've rehearsed it twenty times. And I'm at home by myself, 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:46.759 just going. 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:50.760 Like this, lauding. I love it. 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:53.120 All right, Mark, thank you for two awesome questions. 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.120 Thanks for having me that great? All right, stay says 1:17:56.160 --> 1:17:56.679 meeting your Mark. 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:59.920 Hey, stay safe, buddy, he can be healthy, Bill. 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.480 Why does nurse Roberts have so many bowling shoes for sale? 1:18:07.280 --> 1:18:10.479 Look, one of the things that we embraced on Scrubs 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:15.760 early on was surreal jokes just for us, okay, And 1:18:15.800 --> 1:18:17.840 we were trying to think, I remember this, and we 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:19.600 wanted this to be a runner, and we dropped it. 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:21.240 We shouldn't have dropped it, but you know, you get 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:24.920 too busy. When you were fantasizing about talking to Turk, 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:28.559 we started going down patho going What he doesn't realize 1:18:28.640 --> 1:18:31.400 is he's in a topic with Nurse Roberts and she's 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:33.760 got a side hustle. And we were like, what's her 1:18:33.760 --> 1:18:38.360 side hustle? It's selling her dead husband's bowling shoes. But 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:41.360 he didn't even bowl. She's just got like twenty pairs 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:44.400 of bowling shoes. She tries to unload to people. 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.519 I thought that was I thought that was so funny, 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:50.479 and I forgot that joke, and then that when Donald 1:18:50.520 --> 1:18:52.479 showed up wearing them, I just laughed out loud. I 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:56.760 thought that was so funny, and roberts and then I thought, 1:18:56.760 --> 1:18:59.479 I gotta ask Bill just the logic behind it? What 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:02.400 is Nurse rob Why is Nurse Robert's side hustle selling 1:19:02.439 --> 1:19:04.000 her husband's bull shoes? 1:19:04.240 --> 1:19:06.439 She's just always looking to get a step ahead, man. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:10.880 The I just love that joke because the same way 1:19:10.920 --> 1:19:14.920 I told you that Neil's joke meant that he and 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:17.160 the duck were both wearing shirts, even though that wasn't 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:21.040 said aloud, that joke means that while you were fantasizing. 1:19:20.520 --> 1:19:23.759 About turk apropos of nothing, Nurse. 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:25.760 Robert said, Hey, is there any chance you ever to 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:30.680 be interested in buying some used bowling shoes? Is that 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:32.720 something that you would want? Because then you snap out 1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:33.519 of it, You're like, I do. 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:34.280 I would really want that. 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:35.800 Ye, when I come out of the when I come 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:37.479 out of the phantasy, she says something like, so the 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:38.840 check's in your locker or something. 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:41.439 No, because I got them in my locker. 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:43.160 Oh yeah, you want to write me check. 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:44.439 You want to write me a check because I got 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:45.160 them in my locker. 1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:52.160 So I picture her locker is just stacked bullings is 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:54.720 every couple of days she saw someone a pair of 1:19:54.720 --> 1:19:55.280 bowling shoes. 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:56.559 It's just a little side hustle. 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.800 Bill touched on this at nineteen thirty seven. There's the 1:19:59.880 --> 1:20:03.559 very first thing we did a lot with stunts on 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:06.360 scrubs called the Cowboy Switch. And just if you go 1:20:06.360 --> 1:20:08.599 back and watch it, what happens is the camera never cuts, 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:11.880 but I'm running down the hall, and then the camera 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:16.040 without cutting, goes behind a cart, which switches to the stuntman, 1:20:16.520 --> 1:20:19.000 who then goes and does a really hard fall on 1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:21.479 the ground. The camera can't find me and comes back 1:20:21.479 --> 1:20:23.920 and like a magic trick, I've switched back to where 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:26.640 I was. This is a really clever thing that we 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:28.120 used to do a bunch of times on the show. 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:30.840 In order to do a really harder fall that needed 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:32.880 to be a stuntman. And I wonder, Bill, is that 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:35.840 something Adam brought, or something a stuntman brought or you 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:38.160 knew about? How how did those start coming into the show. 1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:42.040 Adam pitched very hard the thing we already spoke about 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:45.719 is on this show the camera is a character because 1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:48.760 it's almost an extension of JD's head. You know, he's 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:52.759 narrating for this camera that doesn't exist. So that was Adam. 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:55.519 It's why he directed it. I remember him even saying 1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:58.599 just so you know, I think he shot one without it, 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:01.280 but he's like, just so you know, when we do 1:21:01.360 --> 1:21:04.080 the cowboy switch to buy time, the cameras is going 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:07.240 to look around for jad and I remember going, like 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:09.240 what it's like, it's gonna go like that, it's gonna 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:11.120 try and find it's gonna try and find its owner. 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:13.120 It's like a dog when you disappear, you know what 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:17.000 I mean. And so that was Adam and that dude. 1:21:17.360 --> 1:21:21.080 Noon was all about the cowboy switches because he and 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:23.840 Ernie the two stunt men always but it's our favorite 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:27.599 Joke's at Ernie a great stuntman, but it's like, always 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:30.040 be wary of a stuntman who no longer has any 1:21:30.040 --> 1:21:32.679 of his own teeth or hair. He had a big set. 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:34.360 He had a big set of a great white teeth 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:36.800 and like, what happened to your real teeth? So yeah, 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:39.519 the end is they said the stunts on this show 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.120 you want this stuff to all look real and not silly. 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:44.559 Let's have our thespians and you guys both did some 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:46.920 do them as much as we can, whether it's driving 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:50.080 a scooter into the water or sliding under the cart 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.040 or cowboy switches, and it helped sell the reality of 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:53.680 that clumsiness. 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:54.479 So I thought it was awesome. 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:56.439 And when we get to the Wizard of Oz episode, 1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:59.000 there's the most epic cowboy switch that we'll talk about 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:01.599 where the scooter goes in to the puddle, but stay 1:22:01.600 --> 1:22:05.000 tuned for that. The friend Zone bill that is one 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:07.840 of the funniest articulations of the friend Zone. I noticed 1:22:07.840 --> 1:22:12.080 this time that everything everybody's dressed in beige. 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:16.240 That's my first favorite. That's my first favorite and one 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:21.640 of my all time favorite fantasies ever. And it just 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:24.840 was It's such a smart, smart way to describe the. 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:27.719 First I would have done that fantasy in a world 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:30.479 of streaming where you don't have time limits for ten minutes, 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:32.639 I would have wanted to hear where everybody crossed paths 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:36.439 with her. I loved my favorite was it even Becky 1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:38.439 being in there. My favorite was the guy we worked 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:41.360 together at Penguins because in my head, I'm like that guy. 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:45.720 That guy and Elliott barely had shifts together. They just 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:51.719 occasionally overlapped penguins yogurt, and he was just like your shift. 1:22:51.880 --> 1:22:55.559 I just love the cleverness of in Elliott's mind. None 1:22:55.600 --> 1:22:58.040 of those people stood out so that everybody's dressed in 1:22:58.040 --> 1:22:59.080 a shade of beige. 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:03.120 Yeah, they're all blending in. They're all just people that 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:04.720 drifted through her life. You know. 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:07.439 The last thing, I don't know if Donald, do you 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.240 have anything else? But the last thing from the show 1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:11.000 that I wrote down that I thought was really funny. I 1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:12.200 don't know if we ever did it again, is that 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:14.559 you're using Rowdy's mouth to open up the pie. 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:16.920 That was That was the last thing I had to 1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:18.160 I was gonna ask you. 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.120 I thought Rowdy. I thought Rowdy should have always it 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:23.599 should have always been a bottle opener. But I think 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:26.000 that's the first time we introduced your dead dog without 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:28.080 I don't think we had any lines referencing it. 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:28.320 Did we? 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:28.680 No? 1:23:29.600 --> 1:23:29.760 No? 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:30.080 No? 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:30.720 Oh? 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:32.200 You mean was he an episode two? 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:33.639 Yeah? He is an episode two. 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:35.880 That's when we introduced him. That's when we. 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:39.760 Introduce Yeah, yeah, okay, I loved you know, Rowdy is 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:43.839 that's I think something more than shockingly, more than anything 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:46.599 that people would go now is a is there a 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:48.519 dead dog that's a character in this show, a real 1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:49.439 stuff dead dog. 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:51.080 That would be a huge issue. 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:53.200 Bill. I don't know if the urban legend is true, 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:54.840 and I really don't want you to correct it if 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:56.680 it's not. But Donald and I were discussing in an 1:23:56.680 --> 1:24:00.160 earlier episode of the podcast that when the one the 1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:02.880 prop men was let go, he hid Rowdy in the 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:05.960 ceiling tiles of the prop room. That's true, that's true. 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:09.040 That is true. I told you, I told you it's true. 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:12.960 Yeah, we had to let someone go for different reasons, 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:15.320 and he knew that that was a prop that he 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.320 had that was a character on the show, so he 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:19.680 tried to get us back by hiding it in the 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:22.880 above the tiles. He locked himself in there and hid 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:25.840 that poor dead dog above the tiles. And by the way, 1:24:25.920 --> 1:24:28.439 we found it right away. So when we got an 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:31.160 extra one, we were only getting an extra one in 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.479 case something ever happened to the real one. But part 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.360 of the lore became that we got an extra dead 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:38.800 dog to you know, replace the one that was lost. 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:41.200 But it's not it's just to generate. It's just in 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:44.120 a weird way. That's what generated that story of what 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:44.680 would we do? 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:48.000 And then Bill that gave birth to a beautiful, very 1:24:48.040 --> 1:24:57.000 moving storyline of introducing Stephen the other I was already 1:24:57.080 --> 1:24:58.200 laughing with on a the end. 1:24:58.200 --> 1:24:59.839 Did you get Rowdy or did you get Stephen? 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:02.240 I got nothing neither. They're all I told you this story. 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:05.839 I mean, when we break so we don't live together anymore. 1:25:05.880 --> 1:25:07.920 At one point, who gets who gets who? 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:10.200 Oh? I forgot who got rowdy and who got Steven? 1:25:10.200 --> 1:25:12.080 I don't remember. But Bill, I was laughing with Donald 1:25:12.120 --> 1:25:16.000 about how someone can't tell the difference. And I feel 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:19.280 where their old taxidermy balls are, and I go, no, 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:20.280 that's Steven. 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:24.719 You knew one of them was fixed, so. 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:30.639 Rowdy hit that. I think that's Donald's line to open. 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:36.000 I don't see. I don't know if today you could 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:39.120 do taxidermy dead dogs humping someone's leg. 1:25:39.400 --> 1:25:40.400 Yeah, I don't know. 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:45.600 It's a whole. 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:46.280 Everybody not to make this an end line. But this 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:50.799 was such a fun exercise for me because everybody always 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:54.479 asks me what my favorite episode of Scrubs is, and 1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:57.160 I don't know how you guys feel. I always say 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:01.920 the pilot because remember reminds me of first meeting you all, 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:05.639 and of the experience and the people so much more 1:26:06.000 --> 1:26:08.559 than any specific episodes. When I watch these, like the 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:11.599 first one, two or three episodes, that's what I remember 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:16.400 is seeing you two idiots become friends and having to 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:18.519 deal with the pluses and minuses of that when you 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.160 came in crazy hungover to work, but also when I 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:24.240 would see your friendship on screen, you know, and seeing 1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:27.240 how people were afraid of Johnny C and how that translated, 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:32.519 and seeing Donald's chemistry with Judy and Zach and Sarah's 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.600 puppy dog love for each I mean, it's fantastic. 1:26:34.640 --> 1:26:35.720 So that's what this stuff. 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.280 Takes me back to, you know, is how cool it 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:40.000 is that not only that you two are still friends, 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:42.479 but that we all still spend time together and talk. 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:45.240 You Know, I say, I love a lot I've noticed, 1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:48.599 but I truly do love that about what we've done together. 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.679 You know, we didn't just build a television show together. 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:55.160 You know. It wasn't just you know, you created a show, 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:58.439 we acted and it'd see you later. It's we become 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:01.840 like a family, and when we see each other it's 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:04.920 so amazing. And you know, I don't see everybody as 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:07.000 much as I see the two of you, but it's 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:11.320 always it's always dope, you know what I mean. I enjoy. 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:13.760 I know I'm gonna laugh. I know i'm gonna you 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:15.360 know what I mean, I know I'm gonna feel good. 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:17.479 It's always great to be around y'all. 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:18.599 So happy. 1:27:18.800 --> 1:27:20.680 Thank you so much, Bill for coming on. And I 1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:22.840 hope that you'll do this. I mean, it makes sense 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:25.120 of all people for you to come on a bunch 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:26.920 to this because I hope, I hope you will, because 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:29.519 you know, people seem to be really liking it and 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:32.200 which makes a smile, and it makes so much sense 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:34.280 to have you on whenever you're willing to come on. 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:36.439 You know what I thought you could do that. 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:40.400 You can either use this cut it or take this 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:43.600 pitch and do it from now on on any podcast 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:47.000 that I'm not on. If you guys run into a 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.479 question with the guests or with each other, why did 1:27:49.520 --> 1:27:49.920 this happen? 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:52.680 Or is this true? You can fire it off to me. 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:55.920 I will voice mema record a one line response that 1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:57.120 you can edit in that. 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:01.240 That's great, that's very smart'd be like all right, Joelle, 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:04.559 we need a bill voice note answer on this question 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:06.040 and then we'll just cut it in when we do 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:07.160 the podcast editing. 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:11.160 I love yeah, you know, as if I'm hovering there 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:13.080 all the time, which I will not be. This is 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:14.800 great what you guys are doing. I love you both, 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:15.519 I miss you both. 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:19.160 Thank you and and we love you and thank you. 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:22.240 And you know, we ended the last episode by giving 1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:25.160 a shout out to the medical community, and I think 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:26.920 it's right to do it since we were a show 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:29.439 about a hospital. Just to give all our love to 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.680 anybody who's listening to this, who has anyone fighting on 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:35.479 the front lines of this insanity. Thank you so much 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.280 for your courage and uh and and for being there 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:39.680 for for all of us. 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:41.760 And yeah, there's a thousand things you can do to 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.160 be of service. You can write a check, or you 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:46.559 can call your friend that's working at a hospital and 1:28:46.640 --> 1:28:48.280 talk to him or her every night just to see 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:48.840 how they're doing. 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:50.960 But spend a few minutes and do it. 1:28:51.479 --> 1:28:53.680 Thank you so much. And on that note, Donald, will 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:54.439 you lead us in song? 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:59.080 Yeah? Five five six story. 1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:04.680 Show we made about a bunch of talks and nurses 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.840 in Canada whom I. 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:08.120 Said, here's the story. 1:29:09.160 --> 1:29:15.040 NEPWLL should know, so gather around you here up, gather 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:16.439 around you here, up. 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:17.120 Scruts me. 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:18.320 My show is a