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Speaker 2: How can someone be in survival mode, be or a

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Speaker 2: Today we have Davey Brown. She is a renowned well

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy to be with you. And I

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Speaker 1: So thank you, so much, thank you, thank you beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That was so my intention, Like it felt amazing to

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Speaker 1: just for like ten years, right, and I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was in just such a wise, beautiful space with it,

440
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Speaker 1: and I was in this lecture and I just like

441
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Speaker 1: I got so upset, I got so just so much

442
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: charge filled my body and I'm just crying. And I

443
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Speaker 1: waited and waited, and I went up to the teacher

444
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Speaker 1: and I was just like I don't understand, like I've

445
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Speaker 1: already healed this.

446
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Speaker 4: Why am I crying again? Why am I feeling this again?

447
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Speaker 1: And like, you just looked at me with so much

448
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Speaker 1: wisdom and grace, And I remember he looked at He said,

449
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Speaker 1: you have. You've done so much work, Debbie, and that's

450
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Speaker 1: why you're being invited to revisit it now again and

451
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Speaker 1: see it in this way from a new layer, from

452
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Speaker 1: a new perspective. And that's really what it was. It

453
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Speaker 1: wasn't that I hadn't done the work. It wasn't even

454
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Speaker 1: that it's still really hurt or bothered me. It was like,

455
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Speaker 1: now I get the opportunity to see how this particular

456
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Speaker 1: pattern shows up in this particular place, and like, Wow,

457
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Speaker 1: how can I love that too?

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Speaker 4: How can I observe that too?

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Speaker 2: Wow? What do you think is a lie or like

460
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Speaker 2: something that people tell themselves, especially women? I'd say that

461
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: blocks their healing, like something that's out in the world

462
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Speaker 2: where people end up believing but that actually ends up

463
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Speaker 2: blocking their healing.

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Speaker 4: Hmmm, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: That you're supposed to be taking care of everyone else,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think that in so many ways that

467
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Speaker 1: shows up and that kind of programming, it's so deeply

468
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Speaker 1: ingrained in us for so many centuries, so we're going

469
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Speaker 1: to be revisiting it all the time, right. So it's

470
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Speaker 1: like sometimes that shows up in a relationship if you

471
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Speaker 1: are trying to save the person you're with, or if

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Speaker 1: you think that you're the righteous one that just knows

473
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Speaker 1: how to hold pain different, so it's about you doing

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Speaker 1: and giving to them.

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Speaker 4: You got to look at that.

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Speaker 1: It also can very sophisticatedly show up in areas where

477
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Speaker 1: you should be devoted to others, like motherhood, right, but

478
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Speaker 1: anything can be used as a tool of avoidance, So

479
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: especially with women, any kind of thing where there might

480
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Speaker 1: be this underlying.

481
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Speaker 4: Edge of self sacrifice.

482
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Speaker 1: As martyrdom, not as like sometimes you got to do

483
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Speaker 1: hard things and I'm showing up with what that needs

484
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Speaker 1: right now. But then I'm going to feel if you're

485
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Speaker 1: never feeling, you're telling yourself a story and you're actually

486
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Speaker 1: avoiding what you should be doing. But for women, I

487
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Speaker 1: think more than any it's it's very easy for us

488
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Speaker 1: to use so many beautiful things as a tool of avoidance,

489
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Speaker 1: but it's still going to sink true no matter how

490
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Speaker 1: you try to dress it up, right, Like your life

491
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Speaker 1: at the end of it is still going to be

492
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Speaker 1: a sum of your experiences, and so.

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Speaker 4: You can take.

494
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Speaker 1: Decades to pretend that that's not happening, but at some

495
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Speaker 1: point you'll be confronted with it because you're here to

496
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: do the work. You're here in this lifetime to do

497
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Speaker 1: as much as you can to clear as much of

498
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Speaker 1: that karma as possible. Gotta you gotta get in, You

499
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Speaker 1: gotta get your hands dirty.

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Speaker 2: Have you had seen I mean, I know you see clients,

501
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Speaker 2: and you've seen so many people of your time and

502
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Speaker 2: help so many people. What are some of the practices?

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Speaker 2: Are there any that you've noticed, no matter who it is,

504
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Speaker 2: it's helped. And if someone's starting their journey, can you

505
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Speaker 2: give us like two or three practical ways to get

506
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Speaker 2: into a practice?

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Speaker 4: You know what I would really say?

508
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Speaker 1: And a lot of a lot of my work is

509
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Speaker 1: really catered through a trauma informed lens always and forever.

510
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Speaker 4: So some of these things may even be things, especially.

511
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Speaker 1: If you are like voracious about your self care, that

512
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Speaker 1: you've heard of or that you know. And it's not

513
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Speaker 1: about reinventing the wheel because all of this, as you

514
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: know deeply well, it's like so much.

515
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Speaker 2: Is has existed ancient.

516
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Speaker 1: It's just so many ancient all of it, like, none

517
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Speaker 1: of it needs to be reinvented. God has always provided

518
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Speaker 1: since as long as humanity has. But it's about how

519
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Speaker 1: present you can be with each of the things that

520
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: you might come across. And so I found that in

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Speaker 1: my work because when I first started teaching meditation, especially

522
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Speaker 1: in my community, it was like I'd ask everyone to

523
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Speaker 1: close their eyes, and I would look out and everyone's

524
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: eyes would be wide open and scared.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, and now gently close your eyes for

527
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Speaker 1: meditation people, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I had to really study.

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Speaker 1: That and understand what was happening and the deeper fear,

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Speaker 1: the maybe previous experiences of not having safety right, because

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Speaker 1: not everyone gets to grow up or be in environments

532
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Speaker 1: where you can close your eyes around people, because what

533
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Speaker 1: may happen right if you're not on guard, or if

534
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Speaker 1: you're not looking around and constantly noticing and testing the

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Speaker 1: emotions of people in the room.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: And so to that extent, a way that I found

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Speaker 1: to help people, especially if getting still getting quiet as

539
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Speaker 1: hard would be to really work with a lot of

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Speaker 1: hand placements, and one of the very first is to

541
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Speaker 1: feel what supportive touch feels like through your own hand.

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Speaker 1: So we might hear certain things like place your hand

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Speaker 1: on your heart, right, but notice how you're doing that

544
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: when you do, and I always try to recommend for people,

545
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Speaker 1: try to really get that meaty base of your palm

546
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Speaker 1: that has stability and get it right in the center

547
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Speaker 1: of your breastbone and feel the pressure of it touching

548
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Speaker 1: your breastbone. And notice how much pressure you like.

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Speaker 4: Is a harder press.

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Speaker 1: That makes you feel like you're being hugged or being held.

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Speaker 1: Is that what allows you to feel safe? Is it

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Speaker 1: a lighter kind of more tender, looser touch that's just

553
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Speaker 1: like your fingertips grazing. Is that how you feel most

554
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Speaker 1: supported and safe? And just beginning to notice the nuance

555
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Speaker 1: of how your own body is reacting to practices, but

556
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: knowing that you can make the adjustment and do it

557
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: privately right and daily practice with yourself. Something that I

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Speaker 1: lean into in the book is like a lot of mudras,

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Speaker 1: which is, like you know, Jess, like the most delicious.

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Speaker 4: Ancient wisdom to me.

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Speaker 1: It's like it is going to the er for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, like bringing your hands and kind of advancing

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Speaker 1: your meditation practice to include other things that give you

564
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Speaker 1: awareness about how your body actually feels.

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Speaker 2: Could you explain to people with moodras A and yes, don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, so mudras are I guess in the simplest context

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Speaker 1: hand placements that you would use different kind of symbolic

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Speaker 1: hand gestures that you use in your meditation practice. And

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Speaker 1: so one of the base ones is what you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people would call like nonmstay hands or

571
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Speaker 1: but it's the angali mudra. So it's your hands and

572
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Speaker 1: what in the Western world you'd call prayer position. But

573
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Speaker 1: having them here and then connecting you know, the inner

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Speaker 1: parts the backs of your thumbs into the center of

575
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Speaker 1: your chest and what that does. That actually brings your

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Speaker 1: body into a couple different spaces, into a space of gratitude, yes,

577
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Speaker 1: as we know it, but also into.

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Speaker 4: Space of surrender.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the most grounding hand placements you

580
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Speaker 1: can bring, especially for grief as an early beginning way

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Speaker 1: to connect.

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Speaker 4: But you can even experience that in a few different ways.

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Speaker 1: Kind of in front of you, in front of your

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Speaker 1: solar plexus, point it outwards. You can just have it

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Speaker 1: kind of gently levitating almost in front of your chest,

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Speaker 1: or you can push those thumbs into your chest. But

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Speaker 1: those are all varying degrees of how to experience one

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Speaker 1: particular mudra that is meant to kind of aid you

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Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways that you may want

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Speaker 1: or need to heal.

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Speaker 2: I just want to add that Davey has is so sweet.

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Speaker 2: She's actually come here with her arm post surgery, and

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Speaker 2: so if you're watching this, she has a ceiling opinno,

594
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Speaker 2: but she's still trying to show us all the moves

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Speaker 2: she's ceiling. It is honestly so beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love mooders, and you know, whether it's moodras or

598
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Speaker 2: whether it's hand positions. I remember when I started doing

599
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Speaker 2: kirtan and if anyone who doesn't know what cyratin is,

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Speaker 2: it's a beautiful montra meditation, singing practice, singing mantras together

601
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Speaker 2: it is. It is just beautiful people dancing it. They

602
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: cry in it. It's just releases so many emotions. But

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Speaker 2: I remember when I started going to these curitans and

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Speaker 2: people would have their arms up in their air and

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Speaker 2: like literally like this, like singing their hearts out with

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Speaker 2: their arms up in the air, and I was like,

607
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: that felt really uncomfortable to me. I was like, I'm

608
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Speaker 2: not going to do that. That seems like I'm so into it.

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00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a bit muchs Like I haven't felt

610
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Speaker 2: that you're wiving. And then I remember at one point

611
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Speaker 2: after I went to quite a few, I leaned into

612
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Speaker 2: it and I was like, oh my gosh, like the

613
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: feeling of having your hands up in surrender of like

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00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: it just it invokes a different feeling. And then we

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Speaker 2: also have the practice of bowing down and putting our

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Speaker 2: head to earth as part of a respect when you

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Speaker 2: walk into a temple or when I walk into my

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Speaker 2: altar at home. And there's something that you feel when

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Speaker 2: you create these these repetitions of movements in your body

620
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: that are connected to something. And so whether it's your

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Speaker 2: arms up in the air and surrender, whether it's bowing

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Speaker 2: down and humility, it's like these little positions, these little

623
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Speaker 2: hand movements, these these the way that you position your body.

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Speaker 2: You can link that to an emotion that you feel,

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00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: you can link that to a quality that you want

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Speaker 2: to invoke. Yes, and I find that really beautiful that

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00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: you know, and that's that body mind connection that you

628
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: can create in the same way as you can create

629
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Speaker 2: spaces that feel a certain way in your home or

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Speaker 2: or in your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like what I'm hearing in what you're saying too,

632
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Speaker 1: It's like it's invoking a reverence for your human experience, right,

633
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Speaker 1: like through the things that you want to receive, through

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Speaker 1: the things that you've already walked through powerfully.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know much.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to like in like Western churches,

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Speaker 1: like praise and worship, right And I remember I'd walk

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Speaker 1: into a church at some point and you'd see people

639
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: like running back and forth or just hands up or

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Speaker 1: just on the floor wailing, and I'd be like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, all right, but will I look silly?

642
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: Will I look?

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Speaker 1: And then the connection happens between you and the divine

644
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Speaker 1: you and God, you and your higher belief and then.

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Speaker 4: You get it right and you're like, oh, it is.

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Speaker 1: My honor to be on my knees, like it is

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Speaker 1: my honor to throw my hands up to seem to profess,

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Speaker 1: you know. And just one small thing I forgot to

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Speaker 1: say about those mood that is, it's so it's also

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Speaker 1: opening your energy channels and your body and so different

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Speaker 1: ones that I feature in the book are really meant

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Speaker 1: to speak to different things that you may have barriers

653
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Speaker 1: up against or may want to invite more healing into

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Speaker 1: based on how the energy changes within your body as

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Speaker 1: you're meditating, based on the position that your hands are in.

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Speaker 2: And I just realized we got into this question by

657
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Speaker 2: me asking you what practices can people do to actually

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Speaker 2: start their healing journey, And so I want to just

659
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: recap on that you recommended Mooderus. While you're doing your practice.

660
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: Is practice touching yourselves.

661
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's also like not just like the

662
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: hand on the chest, but I found that something really

663
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: powerful for somatic processing, especially done over the time, like

664
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: I probably dedicated two years to this without ceasing once ever,

665
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: is slow stretching with your body every single day, morning

666
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: and night. And not just stretch that's like focused on

667
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: if you're somebody that has an active body and works

668
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: out right, but like really deepening into slow stretch swinging

669
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: your hips as you shared, you know, women, we store

670
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: so much in our hips. It is believed, especially if

671
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: you follow some of the thought around epigenetics, that a

672
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: lot of trauma, sometimes sexual trauma, if that's been a

673
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: part of your path, get stored here. And so if

674
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: you can't kind of sit with ease cross leg that

675
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: could be depending on other medical things that only you

676
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: know about in your body that could be one of

677
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: the things that wants to be released is some trauma

678
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: that could be stored there. But it's our hips also,

679
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: our bone marrow, and our hips is where our immunity

680
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: is built. So when we don't have a lot of

681
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: flexibility in our hips, or we don't we're not really

682
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: present and aware of it, you could find yourself getting

683
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: sick more often or just having longer recovery times.

684
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: So swaying with your body.

685
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Stretching, moving, bending, folding, you know, all those things also

686
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: help to completely release stress, get you ready for bed, naturally,

687
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: regulate your vagus, nerve, and your nervous system, and those

688
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: are all necessary parts of healing. You can't heal if

689
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: you don't learn and practice regulating your nervous system. And

690
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: all of these practices lend themselves to doing that.

691
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Yeah, I need to do a lot more

692
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: stretching in my life, honestly, but yeah, I've been. It

693
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: feels good, it does. I'm definitely trying to swap out

694
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: some of the higher intensity things that I do with

695
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what my body's been calling for,

696
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: Like slower movements. You know, yeah, yeah, you talk about

697
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: softening and slowing down in your book. What does that

698
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: really look like for a woman who's so used to

699
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: hustle mode, which many of us are.

700
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: Oh God, we have had listen.

701
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Way too many women have been worshiping at the Girl

702
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: Boss Shrine for way too long. And I believe that

703
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: some of the best ways to soften, especially as a woman,

704
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: is to look at things through a few lenses. Look

705
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: at what your unique body needs, what your life experiences

706
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: have led you to, but then also look at you know,

707
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: we're all always at the mercy of the collective consciousness

708
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: that we're in, right, no matter how aware we are,

709
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: no matter how kind of pristine we may be in

710
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: our own energy, Like there are nine billion people on

711
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: the planet, we are going to.

712
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: Be affected by whatever the majority of.

713
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: Consciousness is, no matter what, And that tends to be low, right,

714
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: It tends to be a lower vibration of kind of

715
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: global collective consciousness. And so I found that it can

716
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: be especially for people you know, who are more intellectual

717
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: or would consider themselves intellectualizers, it can be really powerful

718
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to really study the conditioning at play that might be

719
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: keeping you from getting those different access points. And so

720
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, if we look at what life has been

721
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: like in the last five, ten, fifteen years, a lot

722
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: of what was like girl boss culture or this kind

723
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: of really the truth of it, was about empowering women

724
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: to take up space and to take up position as

725
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: we should and as we've often been denied through various systems.

726
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: But it's not through replicating what men do and making

727
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: it pink right like. It's not through like any of

728
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: those kind of systems and just making it yours and

729
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: sounding powerful while doing it. I think that created a

730
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: lot of performance culture that wasn'tuine empowerment, and it's left

731
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of women confused about how do I actually

732
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: reclaim the feeling? And we're each both, we're each masculine

733
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: and feminine, but how do I reclaim the femininity inside

734
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: of myself? No matter how you identify, we all have

735
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: both of those energies, And so I think some of

736
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: the softening is really around kind of disconnecting from performance,

737
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: because that's what greater societal flow wants all of us

738
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: to do. It wants us all to be earning, It

739
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: wants us all to be performing, It wants us all

740
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: to be proving all the time, and so you would

741
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: have to strip some of those programmed beliefs and some

742
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: of that mentality in addition to kind of being present

743
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: with like what is the truth of myself as a woman?

744
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: What do I like and dislike?

745
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: And you know, and that takes time, and that's like

746
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful unfolding that can't just be done on your

747
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: first retreat or your first you know, a weekend of

748
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: vision boarding. That helps, but it's settling, it's it's disconnecting

749
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: from the way other people project on us or tell

750
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: us to do anything and saying, you know, what actually

751
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: does feel good and pleasurable and safe inside of my

752
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: own body?

753
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: And like, how can I do more of that? And

754
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: how can I do more of that? Just for me?

755
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: And not everyone even needs to know about all of that.

756
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: You know, if someone is trying to move into the

757
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: soft girl era, yes, what would that kind of day

758
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: look like? Like what kind of things would you recommend

759
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: they do throughout the day that allows them to come

760
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: back into that space?

761
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 4: Oh? My god, dis question.

762
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I would say the first thing that I've found

763
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: really really.

764
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: Helps is to create a breath work practice.

765
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: And I know now that is on trend, but it

766
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: is ancient, you know, it is just it is life changing.

767
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: It's life changing, it's it's profound, it's miraculous. You know,

768
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: it's not just you know some okay I'm feeling oh okay, No,

769
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: it's like you know, it's like ah, Like notice how

770
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: you can even open your mouth on a release, and

771
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: like how much you can soften your jaw and your

772
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: neck and your body, And like, how do I slowly

773
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: build that connection inside so that I don't just feel

774
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: breath in my head or in my chest, like I

775
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: feel it in the depth of my womb, you know,

776
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: like I can now actually feel it in my knee

777
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: that's hurting, or I can feel it in the tips

778
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: of my toes. You know, working with breath work changes

779
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: the way your life feels, the way your body feels,

780
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: It changes the way pleasure feels, It changes the way

781
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: that joy feels. And so I think for everyone, but

782
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: really especially women who move really fast and do so

783
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: much for others, there is nothing that heals you more.

784
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: There is nothing that grounds you more that there is

785
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: nothing that allows you to regain agency in your body more.

786
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: Than the breath.

787
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: So that first and foremost is just that is my

788
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: practice throughout all day, every day. And you know what,

789
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I think you find when you do connect to that

790
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: practice and really like settle into it, you find that

791
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: your body eventually learns how to do that without you

792
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: thinking about it, right, Like I can have a charged

793
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: interaction and no longer do I have to stop and

794
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: think like wow, I should do some breath work because

795
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: that was heavy, or do I have to say, okay,

796
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: let me pause and breathe. It's like you could be

797
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: talking to me right now and I'd be.

798
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: Like, your body's reminded and constantly realizes that that is

799
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: your coping mechanism.

800
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And I think for everyone that is like that is

801
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: the piece that you can really track, like just how

802
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: much you've done for yourself when you're not working to

803
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: do the work right right, Like your body just remembers that,

804
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: like this is what I need and this is how

805
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I need it, and here you.

806
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: Go, Oh my god, beautiful. So breath work. It YEA

807
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: sounds simple, but so beyond life changing. I can say

808
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: the same to myself. I feel like breath has allowed

809
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: me to become so many things that I didn't think

810
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: I could be. Through relieving anxiety in the moment or

811
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: long term, or in moments where I feel any kind

812
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: of emotion, any kind of emotion. I remember my yoga

813
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: teach training. They said, breath is the anchor between your

814
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: body and your mind. So every single time you're trying

815
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: to your mind's running in the past, in the future,

816
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: bringing it back to the present just with a simple breath.

817
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, that is incredible.

818
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: When I started practicing, I was like, oh my god,

819
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: it's actually true. And then in all those hard moments

820
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: whenever I felt yesterday when I was feeling like I

821
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: wanted to punch someone, I literally all I had to

822
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: do was go outside and take deep breaths and that

823
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: was it. You need to tell anyone about it, you

824
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: need to talk about it. I didn't need to actually

825
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: punch someone, which is great.

826
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: Great, Well I had to do because like we need

827
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: you free, like you're doing God's work.

828
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: We need you free.

829
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. All I need to do is take a

830
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: few breaths, and how be you us free? You can

831
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: do it yourself. Yeah, And you're in control of it.

832
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: You're in control of it all the time, and it

833
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: can be used in so many ways. You know, it

834
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: can be used for grief, it can be used for pleasure,

835
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: it can be used for joy, for grounding, and I

836
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: think also, you know, for those that are really kind

837
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: of opening to their soft girl era, that is one

838
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: of the deep master healers. But then I would also

839
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: say really bringing your own self romance is one of

840
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: the best ways to do that, to heal, to open

841
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: to the possibility of more. You know, so often when

842
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: we're trying to heal, we're trying to heal into a

843
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: life that feels better, that looks better, that has richer

844
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: relationships in it, right, that has like healthy boundaries in it,

845
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: Like we are trying to up level our experience and

846
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: being alive, and like I.

847
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: Have a deep practice with beauty.

848
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: I have a deep reverence for beauty, and it has

849
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: healed me in ways I can never imagine. And some

850
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: of the way I started doing that was like at

851
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: the top of the pandemic, I was going through a

852
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: lot of things at once, a lot of things.

853
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: The same week that you know.

854
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: The George Floyd situation had happened, I was also getting

855
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: divorced from an almost decade long marriage. I was becoming

856
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: a single mom to a two year old. We're in

857
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: the first couple of months of a global pandemic. I

858
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: had lost a friend, and then all.

859
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: The rest of your life as all of us.

860
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Came, you know, you come into all the things that

861
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: you didn't let yourself think of.

862
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: I think that was for so many of us, what happened.

863
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: And I couldn't do anything about any of it, right,

864
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't even go to my therapist because we were

865
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: in a pandemic.

866
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 4: She couldn't figure out.

867
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: How to see me yet, and like, you know, Zoom

868
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: was dressed kind of starting and like and really one

869
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: of the only things that I could do was breathe, stretch, cry,

870
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: continue to meditate and make beauty. And that kind of

871
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: just look like gardening for me. I started my garden

872
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: in the pandemic.

873
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: I you know.

874
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: I got seeds and I planted roses, and I would

875
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: light incense. I hung prisms in all the windows that

876
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: got sun in my house, and you know, I would

877
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: just on my hardest day that I'd be like, how

878
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: am I going to raise this child?

879
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: Like?

880
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: How am I going to do this? What am I

881
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: going to tell him when he's old enough?

882
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 4: You know? What? Am I?

883
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: Why didn't my friend want to leave earth, you know,

884
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: and like, what what do I do with that feeling?

885
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: And like and then and you're in the midst of

886
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: all of that, because all of it will come up

887
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: many many times, and you take a breath and you

888
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: look at the sun and.

889
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: You say, God, that's so beautiful.

890
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: You look at the prisms shining a tiny little rainbow

891
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: across your fridge, and you.

892
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 4: Stay like, God, that's so beautiful.

893
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, like you do all the little teeny tiny

894
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: things that you don't think are enough to solve the

895
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: bigger pain, and you just keep looking at it. You

896
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: just keep doing it, You keep creating it. You when

897
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: the roses bloom, you go and pick a rose every

898
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: time for yourself and you put it in a vase.

899
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: And I grew that, you know, and you look at

900
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: it like the Buddha did, and you find God in it.

901
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: And that's the way to slowly soften.

902
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: That is so beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that.

903
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh my gosh. I think the main part

904
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: of what I heard was creating it, Like you have

905
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: to create it. And I was thinking about reflecting, like

906
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 2: what are the ways that I've created it in my life?

907
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: And it is all the small things. It's like, I

908
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: love scent, and so in every room, like I'm just

909
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: giving examples so that other people can maybe take from

910
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: it if it's something they relate to. But I have

911
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: incense in my temple area, so I know that it's

912
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: related to that. But then every room I have essential

913
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: or diffuser because every time I go past it, it

914
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: brings me this like feeling of oh I love that sense,

915
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: and that reminds me of this, this and this. So

916
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: each scent has like a different memory link to it.

917
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: And so I guess and what you said about the prism,

918
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: it's visual and so actually every sense if you think

919
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: about what satisfies each sense. When I'm smelling something, what

920
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: smells do I love? And how can I create that

921
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: around me? When I'm looking at something, what is it

922
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: that I see as beauty? Because sometimes you don't even

923
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: know that what is it that I look at and

924
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: I think, oh, this is beautiful? Like so much for

925
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: me is like natural colors, like earthy tones, and so

926
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: I was like, how can I create that in different ways,

927
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: whether it's in pottery, whether it's in the walls around me?

928
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: And so I think if you think about each sense

929
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: and you go through that and you say, what are

930
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: those things when it's tastes, what are those things that

931
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: not just stimulate me, but actually make me feel at home?

932
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: Because I think that's a difference as well. It's like

933
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: these things can really excite me, what are the things

934
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: that make me feel like I'm at home? And so

935
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: moving away from home, I definitely relate to that.

936
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: I remember we did this event a few months ago,

937
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: and that was something that really stuck with me that

938
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: you said, because you were talking about your book and

939
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: you were sharing about spices, yes, and just about some

940
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: of those kind of like freedoms you can find in

941
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: spice and some of those emotional kind of connections that

942
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: you can find and spice, and that really stuck with me.

943
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely have a connection to spices, flavors and home.

944
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: And I think you and you know what you're just

945
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: saying that It's like, whenever I miss home, the first

946
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: thing I think to do is cook a meal that

947
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: my mum makes. And it's because of the smells and

948
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: what I remember coming back from school and smelling those

949
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: certain things, and it brings this nil nostalgic home feeling.

950
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: And as soon as you feel at home if it

951
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: was a safe space for you, and it's something that

952
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: you connect to in a positive way, your whole body's relaxes,

953
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: and so bringing back little things that have fond memories

954
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: and keeping those things around you in different ways can

955
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 2: be such a beautiful way to soften and feel Because

956
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: I guess when I think about softness, what you're saying

957
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: is I feel in my most like relaxed, comforted, safe space. Yeah, right,

958
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: Like softness is like when you I think about whenever

959
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: we're stressed, or when we feel anxious, or when we

960
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: feel like we're not in an environment that can hold us,

961
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 2: everything is tense. Yeah, and so what does softness then means?

962
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: Softness then means the opposite of what are the things

963
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: that make me feel most comfortable, that make me feel

964
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: most safe, that make me feel most at home?

965
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so softness is like the feeling of being disarmed.

966
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

967
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're all walking around sometimes ready

968
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: for battle and every moment, you.

969
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: Know, and it's like to be soft is to just

970
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: be disarmed, like my armor off.

971
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true. That reminds me of whenever my

972
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: husband would walk into a room. I have this like

973
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: like I know that he's in the house, but like

974
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: whenever he we still laugh about it. It's like what

975
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: ten years down the line nearly, and he walks into

976
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: the kitchen and walks in and I'm like, oh my god,

977
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, or like you'll walk into a bathroom,

978
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: like why did you do that? Why did you shock me?

979
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: Like that was like I literally walked into the room,

980
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: and it made me realize I'm so much more like

981
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: that when I'm on like high anxiety or on edge

982
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: about other things in my life. It makes me so

983
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: much more hyper anxious about the people around me. But

984
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: also in the things that I watch. That has been

985
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: such made such a significant difference to how soft I

986
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: feel and how at ease I feel in my heart.

987
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: As soon as I start watching things that cause my

988
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: mind anxiety or even my heart anxiety, even in the

989
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: moment you think you watch it and you let it go,

990
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: but you actually don't.

991
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 4: It's so true.

992
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: And so as soon as I start watching things that

993
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: people I watch this it's so good. And I watched

994
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: the first episode and I'm like, oh my god, I

995
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: feel so not happy watching that, and I notice I'm

996
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 2: so much more on high alert after having observed something

997
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: like that, And so.

998
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 4: That is so real.

999
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I've given myself this kind of parameter now, and I'm like,

1000
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: if my foot starts shaking, well I watch something, or

1001
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: if I notice that I'm tapping something, turn it off.

1002
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: It's not for you. You don't need this rollercoaster in your life.

1003
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Like, it's so funny, you said, the foot shaking when

1004
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: I went on my bookstore. The one thing I noticed

1005
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: the most when I was doing all my interviews and

1006
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: whatever was my foot would do this, and throughout it

1007
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I would watch it back and

1008
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: I was like, what is my do? And it was

1009
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: because I guess I was on highlight. And I was like,

1010
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: through that process, I felt like I was so constantly

1011
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: going into one thing after another and feeling quite anxious.

1012
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: And then I noticed it when I'm in podcasts like this,

1013
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, my foot is as still as

1014
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: can be. Yeah, And so it's so funny how your

1015
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: body starts to indicate these things to you, doesn't it.

1016
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1017
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: And we only know we only notice someone we're aware,

1018
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: you know. That's the thing, because I think this is

1019
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: just natural biology. It's how our biology responds. But if

1020
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: you're aware of your body, you kind of notice those

1021
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: smaller things, and most people don't know.

1022
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: What would you say? Is one affirmation that you wish

1023
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: every woman would s taught a day with. Do you

1024
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: do affirmations?

1025
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so good. I have affirmation practices

1026
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: in the boss you.

1027
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Do, I'll say, so, the power of I am is unparalleled, right,

1028
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: Like the power of an I am statement is unparalleled.

1029
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 4: But I like to really push people.

1030
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: Instead of kind of saying some of those things that

1031
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: may not be necessarily fully connected that may feel just

1032
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: like I'm doing an affirmation in the way I'm supposed

1033
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: to do an affirmation, right, Like I am love, I

1034
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: am abundance, like powerful, powerful, But maybe also consider like

1035
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: what is a quality of character or a quality of

1036
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: emotional experience that you want to embody for your unique

1037
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: life and your journey? And how do you start saying

1038
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: that to yourself every day? So, like, if you've had,

1039
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: you know, maybe if you haven't had experiences of being

1040
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: like deeply loved in a familial or romantic way, maybe

1041
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: a way to start inviting that in is to say, like,

1042
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: I am cherished and cherishing, right, Like what are like,

1043
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: what is the feeling.

1044
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 4: You want to know in your life? Right?

1045
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Or maybe it is like you're brilliant, but you don't

1046
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: always give yourself the chance to be seen in that light.

1047
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: And so it's like I am embodying my brilliance. I

1048
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: am embodying my divine creativity. You know, what is the

1049
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: need for you? And then how do you create a

1050
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: statement that not only makes that need come to life,

1051
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: but makes it beautiful? And make sure you say it

1052
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: in the present tense and the present moment as if

1053
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: it has happened and happening, right, not like I want.

1054
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: To be brilliant?

1055
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like okay, so now you're inviting more longing into

1056
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: your life.

1057
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: Right, But like I am radiating my.

1058
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: Brilliance right, like beaking it into existence.

1059
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I had gorgeous language, you know, and if there's words,

1060
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: there's so many words to know, So open the thesaurus, right,

1061
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: can you say that word more beautifully?

1062
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: Open the dictionary?

1063
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: Is there a different way to kind of supercharge that

1064
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: word that adds more meaning to it? I love working

1065
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: with affirmations in that way.

1066
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1067
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense because it is such a

1068
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: personal practice. You can't really be one fits all, and

1069
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: it reminded me of when I started praying, because prayer

1070
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: was something I used to really struggle with, like the

1071
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: idea of it wasn't necessarily the idea of speaking to

1072
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: God that I felt connected to. It was like what

1073
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: am I saying? And I remember thinking, oh God, my

1074
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: prayers are so lame, like they are so boring, and

1075
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: the language is so like a child and I remember

1076
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: then I was like, I really want to or more

1077
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: heart in my prayer, and I just can't find the

1078
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: words for it. And so then I started reading all

1079
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 2: these beautiful devotional poetry books and I was like, oh

1080
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: my gosh, like this is how I feel, but how

1081
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: come I kind of put it into those words? And

1082
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: so it was really beautiful because even though there were

1083
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: certain things I would read and I was like, gosh,

1084
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: I can't even relate to this. This is so deeply

1085
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: like this is so deep and so devotional that I

1086
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: don't really feel connected to it yet, but I want to.

1087
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: And so I keep saying those prayers over and over again,

1088
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: and it was in such a beautiful kind of It

1089
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: was in Sanskrit, which makes it even more beautiful, and

1090
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: the translation in English was actually lovely, but sometimes can't

1091
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: can't even like it doesn't depict it in the most

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00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: beautiful way. But even then I was like, oh. And

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00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: then I kept saying those prayers, and then slowly those

1094
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: prayers just kept coming into my mind naturally. So whenever

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00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 2: I was thinking of prayer, those words would randomly flow

1096
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: in or those thoughts would come in. I was like, oh, wow,

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00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: that's the power of You may not feel it, yeah,

1098
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: but when you keep repeating it and repeating it, it

1099
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: does become And I remember trying to do affirmations and

1100
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: I'll be like, but I'm not this, and I'd be

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: like I am, like I am courageous or I am

1102
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: whatever it was I was feeling, and I was like but,

1103
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: and in my mind would be like, but I'm not.

1104
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: And so I remember there was this disconnect between like

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00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: the word I was saying and the belief yeah, And

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00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: so I would often go kind of waving and out,

1107
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is so silly. I'm not this,

1108
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: and like why am I saying all these things? And

1109
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 2: then when I did that with devotional poetry, I was like, oh,

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00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: I kind of get it now, Like you have to

1111
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: keep saying it. Yeah, you have to.

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: That's such an important point to make for this kind

1113
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: of a practice, because you're training the belief in yourself, right,

1114
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: And I think, like right to what you're saying, everyone

1115
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: is kind of go to way of surpassing it being

1116
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: a limitation is to try to like say it with

1117
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: more force, yes, right, Like they'll usually say like your power, right,

1118
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: like I am abundant, and I'm like, I don't use

1119
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: that voice for anything.

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Speaker 4: When do I ever talk that way? That's not my

1121
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 4: empowered voice.

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00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: And I think the beauty of kind of like using

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00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: it as that devotion opening yourself to the belief it's

1124
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: saying it in whatever way it's showing up now, right,

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: So like sometimes you're going to cry through saying it.

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00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: Sometimes you're going to close your eyes, you're going to

1127
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: say it shakily. Do it authentically.

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Speaker 1: Don't let that be another area that you're adding performance

1129
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: to do it authentically and let it take time and

1130
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: it will click. And like I have to say, when

1131
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: you were talking about like connecting to like devotional passages,

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: especially in Sanskrit.

1133
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: Or poetry, that.

1134
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: I mean like discovering roomy when I did many years ago,

1135
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: was a revolution to my life, Like that is soft

1136
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: girl era, like the way Roomy sure everyone knows, but

1137
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: thirteenth century Sufi mystic poet icon like legend, but the

1138
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: way that Rumy talks about God.

1139
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 5: And the language and yeah, it's so hot, like it

1140
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 5: is so like yummy, It is so sensory, it is

1141
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 5: so somadic, it is so define and it's like I

1142
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 5: remember reading those poems and being like, I don't even

1143
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 5: know what this feels like until exactly.

1144
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: What.

1145
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: That's a feeling you can have, and that's a feeling

1146
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: you can have with God. That's the feeling you can

1147
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: have with your own self and your life. Like, oh

1148
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: my god, you know, oh.

1149
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: I have to share some of my favorite poetry books.

1150
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: So do you know diversial poetry. I feel like you

1151
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: love them. You said this in your book, and I

1152
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: really loved it, so I wrote it out. You said.

1153
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: One of my daughters asked me something similar recently. You

1154
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: have question was how to someone become wise? Is that you?

1155
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: That was Charlemagne's Forward, But I'm sorry.

1156
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: I started reading okay forward is so it was so

1157
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: beautiful powerful, I'll keep reading it. I thought about answering

1158
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: with age, but that would be a lie because there's

1159
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: plenty of foolish ass older people out here. So my

1160
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: reply was, experiences make you wise, not just experiences, but

1161
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: what you learn from those experiences. We have all heard

1162
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: the saying smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise

1163
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: people learn from the mistakes of others. That's just another

1164
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: way of saying that we learned from experiences. And I

1165
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: was like, it's okay, it wasn't you, but I thought

1166
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: it was such a beautiful explanation of what wisdom actually is,

1167
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: and it's kind of what we talked about earlier. It

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: was like, it is so much more about the practice

1169
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: and the experience that you have than is about the knowing.

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00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just so grateful and I can't express it enough.

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00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: My dear friend Charlemagne the God Leonard, he has been

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00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: one of my closest, dearest friends since we were both

1173
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: like sharing lunch, right, you know, really for almost two

1174
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: decades and our relationship. He did me the honor of

1175
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: doing the forward for my book and doing the audio

1176
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: version as well. But you know, it's been so powerful,

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01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I think, for each of us to reflect on our

1178
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: lives through these kind of lifelong conversations we've been having

1179
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: with each other throughout our evolution, and one of the

1180
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: things that we've always talked about is we've grown in

1181
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: our own individual consciousness is like wisdom and really knowing that,

1182
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: Like wisdom truly is earned or it's surrendered to right,

1183
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: it is not knowledge. You can amass a lot of

1184
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: knowledge and not live what you know you know, And

1185
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: I think that that is an important distinction for people

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: to think about in this day and age, especially when

1187
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: there are so many people that others are looking to. Right,

1188
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of people can memorize, a lot

1189
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: of people can regurgitate, but like, what is the truth

1190
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: of the quality of the life they're living right, especially

1191
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: off camera and off Instagram? Like what is the truth

1192
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: of how they move in the world and how they

1193
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: experience the world.

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: And I think that's wisdom.

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01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember he and I were having

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: this conversation that we explore in the book about wisdom,

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: and you know, I my understanding of how wisdom moves

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: in my life is like all of my lived experiences,

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: I've been able to glean wisdom from because I've chosen

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01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: to be present with them, even the harder ones, the

1201
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: stranger ones, the confusing ones, and because of that, that's

1202
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: how I serve. I don't have to be out earning anything.

1203
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't have to, you know, kind of like present

1204
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: myself in a certain way or hope that I'm being

1205
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: perceived in a certain way.

1206
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: I trust what God.

1207
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Has allowed me to move in through what I've been

1208
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: present with, how I use it to help. And I

1209
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: know that everything, everything is in service to the greater world,

1210
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 1: to humanity. And that's what wisdom is. And I think

1211
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: some of the more spiritual differences between wisdom and knowledge

1212
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: wisdom serves right. Wisdom isn't about the self, It is

1213
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: about what this does for others. Wisdom isn't about even

1214
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: your own personal story and trauma dump. It's about what

1215
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: is the deeper theme of awareness you've come to from

1216
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: that experience, and how do you share that, not to

1217
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: center yourself as wise, but as to share the wisdom

1218
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: to unlock the next person.

1219
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: Such a great definition between the two. Thank you have

1220
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: a formula for purpose in your book.

1221
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 4: Yes, for people who feel.

1222
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: Lost right now in their purpose? How do you find it?

1223
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 4: Ooh?

1224
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: Purpose is one of those again, another tool of avoidance

1225
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: that can be done in a sophisticated way that you

1226
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: don't know, or it can be another way of kind

1227
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: of outsourcing your worth. I found that, so I've been

1228
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: talking about and teaching about purpose for over ten years.

1229
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,479
Speaker 1: I gave like this big talk about purpose at an event.

1230
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: It popped up in my memory is like ten years ago,

1231
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: and that's when I first started really deepening into like,

1232
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: how do we exist with purpose with dharma without also

1233
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: having to make that another thing, another kind of self

1234
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: aggrandizing way to receive attention or respect from other people.

1235
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: I think if we rest in purpose as a job title,

1236
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: or as an amount of likes or an amount of views,

1237
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: or any kind of outward validation, we're missing the point.

1238
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, Purpose is between you and God, and it

1239
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: is always evolving.

1240
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 4: I thought my purpose was to broadcast.

1241
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: I was a broadcaster for almost fifteen years in all

1242
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: these different places, and that was an extension of my.

1243
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: Purpose for that moment. But it's a job, right.

1244
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: I honed sks in that world to serve with them,

1245
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: which I can now do through also guiding meditation, writing books,

1246
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: learning how to talk about healing with people in a

1247
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: way that hits them right. But it's about making it

1248
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: useful for others as well. And so you know, the

1249
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 1: way that I've come to study and hold purposes, it's

1250
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: really this beautiful, beautiful, intentional mix of your lived experience,

1251
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: sometimes even the much harder things, the wisdom that you

1252
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: glean from those experiences, the skills that you've amassed this.

1253
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: Far in a variety of things.

1254
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: Right, Like, maybe you were a cashier at sixteen, but

1255
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: there's something that is stuck with you to this day

1256
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: that serves you to this day about what you learned there.

1257
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: So it's your lived experience and the wisdom from it.

1258
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: It's the skills you've amassed thus far. It's the gifts

1259
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: you came to this world with, right, those inherent things

1260
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: that are naturally a part of who and what you

1261
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: are and how you serve with them.

1262
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 4: Simple formula thank.

1263
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, really beautiful. And I feel like if people

1264
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 2: really break those down, if you really sit with each

1265
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: of those pieces of the formula, I feel like you'll

1266
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: probably learn things that you didn't even realize about yourself

1267
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: if you really start to reflect in your life. And

1268
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: maybe a part of the reason why. And I can

1269
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: speak to this because I feel like I've been lost

1270
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: in my purpose quite a few times in my life

1271
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: it's because you actually haven't got to know yourself in

1272
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: that way. You know, when someone asked me, so, what

1273
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: do you like doing? And I'm like, I don't really know,

1274
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: but like you don't know because you haven't explored it.

1275
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: You don't know because you haven't really sat in thought

1276
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: what are those skills? What are those gifts? And you know,

1277
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: I remember I would always be like, I don't really

1278
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 2: think I have anything I was naturally born with. And

1279
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: it was like, there's such a self deprecating part of

1280
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: this too, where you may not know your purpose because

1281
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: you actually haven't seen the value that you have in

1282
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: the world. You haven't seen the gifts that have been

1283
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: given to you from birth, and maybe you just haven't

1284
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: recognized it all this time because you've been lost in

1285
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: the things that you don't have, and you've been focusing

1286
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: on the parts of you that you wish you had

1287
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: and all those things. And so really, if you sit

1288
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: with them, those are such brilliant questions, like such beautiful

1289
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 2: questions to help someone truly deeply understand their purpose.

1290
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: My goodness, and I love that you that you brought

1291
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: that framing into it too, because it's like it's all connected, right,

1292
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: it's like you can't find purpose without really investing in

1293
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: your sense of worth because it's always going to be

1294
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: requiring someone else's validation for you to believe it, you know.

1295
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to what our inherent

1296
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: gifts are, it's almost like you feel disappointed if if

1297
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: you're not a singer, Yeah, exactly right, Like if I

1298
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: don't have any gifts because you're not a famous singer,

1299
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: like what do you what do you mean? I think

1300
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: one of my biggest, greatest gifts, And even though a

1301
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of life informed this, I came to the earth

1302
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: like this, Like I can sit at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the ocean with someone right, and it's a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: do that right, you know, And like that's a gift

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Speaker 1: that that isn't something everyone can do.

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Speaker 4: That's my gift. And it's not the shiniest.

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Speaker 1: Gift necessarily to have, like being able to witness deep

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Speaker 1: pain in others. It's not necessarily the gift that puts

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Speaker 1: you on a billboard or you know, but it's my gift.

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Speaker 4: It's my gift, and it's valuable, and.

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Speaker 2: It's so beautiful to even be able to say that.

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Speaker 2: I remember this one time I was with family, and

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Speaker 2: everyone's going around saying, like, what is it that you

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Speaker 2: think that you have received from your parents that's been

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Speaker 2: like a beautiful thing? And I remember this idea of

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Speaker 2: like and I guess it kind of links to like

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Speaker 2: false humility where it came around to me and I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't I don't even want to like,

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Speaker 2: am I am I being too boasty about myself if

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Speaker 2: I say this, or like the confidence with which you

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Speaker 2: said your gift, it's also such a beautiful thing because

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Speaker 2: you're also it's not saying it from a place of ego,

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Speaker 2: it's purely coming from a place of I've received this

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Speaker 2: and this has been my experience, and now I can

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Speaker 2: actually share this with other people. And I think there's

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Speaker 2: this especially for women, when you say, when you feel

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Speaker 2: like you're talking about your gifts or sharing the good

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Speaker 2: things about yourself, you feel like you're not being humble

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Speaker 2: enough and actually honoring them and recognizing them is actually

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Speaker 2: so little to do with ego and so much to

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Speaker 2: do with service. Yeah, and recognizing them is so much

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Speaker 2: to do with service, because you're like, well, if I

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Speaker 2: don't recognize them, I'm not gonna be able to use them,

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Speaker 2: which means I actually of no use to other people.

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Speaker 2: And that's usually when we feel the least valuable. In

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Speaker 2: my life, especially, Yeah, I don't know why I offer

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Speaker 2: the world, Like I remember that being a constant in

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Speaker 2: my mind. I was like, I don't know what I

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Speaker 2: have to offer the world. Then I used to see

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Speaker 2: I think it really got triggered when I saw what

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Speaker 2: Jay started doing in his life, and he was so

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Speaker 2: in his purpose and like he lived it, breathed it.

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Speaker 2: He was so in joy and like constantly in purpose.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, I have absolutely

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01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: no flipping idea what am I here for? But what

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Speaker 2: beautiful place it was that I got to be in

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Speaker 2: that because it really made me excavate and like, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: to actually investigate what that was. And I think investigating

1349
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 2: is such an important part of this process.

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Speaker 4: God, yes, oh my gosh, and I think too.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes this weird thing happens with women. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it happens with everyone, but it's like we're being

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of gas lit in a very specific way where

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Speaker 1: it's like even in some of the same rooms where

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Speaker 1: people are telling you to like own your worth, own

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Speaker 1: your purpose, and then the second you try that on.

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Speaker 1: Then people are like, oh right, chill out, like okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not all that, or you're like, well, what the hell?

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Speaker 2: I just got my confidence in this, and now you

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Speaker 2: are knocking me back down.

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Speaker 1: Now you're knocking me back down. Or even when we

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Speaker 1: say things like how am I meant to serve the world?

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Speaker 1: How am I meant to bring my purpose to the world?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to think about the world as a

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Speaker 1: planet of nine billion. It's your world and not influencing

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Speaker 1: nine billion people, which who does There are people alive

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Speaker 1: that have never heard the name Jesus.

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Speaker 4: There are people alive like and think about that.

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Speaker 1: How I use that as a specific example because of

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Speaker 1: how permeating Christianity is and how ancient there's people that

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Speaker 1: to me, it is shocking. You know, maybe somewhere in

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Speaker 1: some corner of the world haven't heard of Oprah, which

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Speaker 1: blows my mind because I'm like, ah, you know, but

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Speaker 1: it's like, it's about you bringing your purpose to your world,

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Speaker 1: to your ecosystem. Five people is plenty, yes, twenty people

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Speaker 1: has plenty, a few hundred and a few thousand. Some

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Speaker 1: are meant to guide millions.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean they're better or their purpose is more important.

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Speaker 1: It's just that happens to be the way they're meant

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Speaker 1: to be used exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's so true, And I think we minimize our impact

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Speaker 2: by looking at those metrics. Ye it's like, oh, what

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: am I going to do? What's the point of me?

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: Even when my friends said, what's the point of me

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Speaker 2: posting this? And I'm like, but what you just said

1386
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: was so amazing. Then you have like two hundred people

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: that could hear this and one that might say one

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Speaker 2: person from wanting to leave this world wanting to not

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: be here because of your experience. And so I think

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Speaker 2: we really minimize the impact because of how we see

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Speaker 2: people with forty two million followers or whatever it is,

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: we minimize the impact of even if you're not on

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 2: social media, what about the people just around you that

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01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: you see every single day, the people you work with,

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01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: the people that are within your family. Like, that's you

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01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: impacting way more people than people were able to do

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Speaker 2: back in the day.

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Speaker 1: And that's actually what our work is right now, I think,

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Speaker 1: right because too many people are conditioned to this current

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Speaker 1: zeitgeist and think it is about the likes or the

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Speaker 1: follows or people in other states I'll never visit or countries,

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Speaker 1: I'll never be.

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Speaker 4: Need to know who I am.

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: And it's like we all need a deep refresh on

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: how to show up for the people that are in

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: our physical, actual, real worlds.

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Speaker 2: I always said this gem like I random, I have

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Speaker 2: these random thoughts, and I'm like, do you think we

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: were supposed to travel? Like do you think in life

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01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: we were supposed to go to other places and meet

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: all these different people? Or were we supposed to stay

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Speaker 2: as they did back in the day, like in our communities,

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 2: creating these really solid structures and frameworks with the people

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: and the cultures and the community that we are from

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Speaker 2: and and actually build that out in a beautiful way.

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Speaker 2: And would the world just be like so much better

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 2: set had we not known what else was there? And like, anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's for a different topic, but now it just reminded me.

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Speaker 1: Of what you said that I've been thinking thoughts like

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Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, I so feel that, and I think

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: it's important we the pendulum always swings right, So like

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Speaker 1: so many people weren't seeing the world and needed.

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 4: To be expanded until we've.

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: Had this surgeon like global travel and now it's an

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to bring some learnings back, yes, and deal a

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Speaker 1: little bit more with less.

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Speaker 2: We'll have an existential question podcast at some point. But

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Oh my god, I could just

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01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: honestly sit and talk to you for hours, but I

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: think it's already been an hour. So thank you so much.

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01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: And this was honestly such a such it was it

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Speaker 2: was a conversation I needed today. Honestly, it was beautiful.

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: Thank you, and everybody go out and get Living in

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: Wisdom by Davy? Is it Davy? Don't say right? You

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 4: I know Depak always calls me David.

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: How do you pronounce it for me? Debbie?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry.

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01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: I received both because you suit the name Davy, I'll

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: say it.

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 4: I feel connected.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Debbie Brown, Living in Wisdom such a beautiful book.

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: And if any of this resonated with you, then this

1444
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 2: book is going to be everything that you need. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Yes, as