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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Welcome all to our Earnestness Bonanza. That's

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Speaker 2: special time of year when we answer your questions as

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Speaker 1: We drop the act. We're we're in our net era

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Speaker 2: And needless to say, and why are we doing it? Well,

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Speaker 1: It's actually the only time of reflection we kind of

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Speaker 9: And why am I not love you?

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Speaker 1: So it's like, is your delusion that you are the

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Speaker 1: Okay, thoughts on Gaga? All right? I will say I

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Speaker 1: because you can be like, yes, this Mona Lisa video

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Speaker 1: I actually sort of think fame has affected her ability

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Speaker 2: But I love, like, even in the Comatica era, I

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Speaker 2: remember her going on like Zaye Low and doing like

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Speaker 2: the whole track by track thing, and but I was like,

439
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Speaker 2: I'm addicted to this because I'd like never seen, like

440
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Speaker 2: to see her talk for an extended period of time

441
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Speaker 2: and just be like, what is going on in that

442
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Speaker 2: head of her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, she is one of those people whereas longer

444
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Speaker 1: she talks, the more confused you are about what she's

445
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Speaker 1: trying to say.

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Speaker 2: I'm literally can you imagine being like like her music producer,

447
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Speaker 2: Like you're like in the studio and she like just

448
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Speaker 2: starts going and talking and you're like like she's giving

449
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Speaker 2: you notes and you're like, yeah, You're like totally, I'll

450
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Speaker 2: have that by Monday, and like you're just sort of

451
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Speaker 2: guessing I'm addicted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do want to say, just while we're on

453
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Speaker 1: the topic, we need to deal with Zaye Low, and

454
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Speaker 1: we need a group effort to unseat him because the

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Speaker 1: damage that is being done across industries is monumental and

456
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Speaker 1: will be felt for generations. And also I want to say,

457
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Speaker 1: there needs to be a word, like a long German

458
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Speaker 1: word for that type of guy. Yeah, what is the

459
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Speaker 1: word for like sort of streetwear guy, sort of fuck

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Speaker 1: boy guy. But that's also like really in a saccharin way,

461
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Speaker 1: so like performatively nice, and is also like clearly somehow

462
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Speaker 1: successful without having any talent, charm or charisma. And also

463
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Speaker 1: people somehow watch his stuff and people want to collaborate

464
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Speaker 1: with him, even though the open secret is that everyone

465
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Speaker 1: thinks he's annoying, Like what is the deal.

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Speaker 2: It's so deeply confusing. I'm also having I'm struggling right

467
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Speaker 2: now because I'm trying to imagine what zay Loo looks

468
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Speaker 2: like and I'm only seeing the Hot Ones guy. I

469
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Speaker 2: like cannot picture Zaye low I'm oh, my brain is

470
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Speaker 2: just picturing Hot Ones guy.

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Speaker 1: He's literally like I Hot Ones' guy's a little more

472
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Speaker 1: like there's something more authentic and nerdy about him, and

473
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Speaker 1: it was very like he really sort of made his

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Speaker 1: way on his own, Like I do think that was

475
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Speaker 1: a surprise hit that show. Yeah, whereas Zane Lowe, it

476
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Speaker 1: was so top down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm Also, I just want to say I'm

478
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Speaker 2: curious about I'm scared for Joker too, because I hear

479
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Speaker 2: that she's not even in it that much, and I'm

480
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Speaker 2: worried that really. Yeah, and I'm worried that it's gonna

481
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Speaker 2: be the worst thing it can be, which is boring. Huh,

482
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Speaker 2: because if Gaga's boring, I might have to jump off

483
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Speaker 2: a cliff. Yeah, but I hope the new music's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, it's like, I do think Gaga as

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Speaker 1: Joker is one of those things that's like criticism proof,

486
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Speaker 1: Like what are you going to say about it? That's insightful?

487
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: Like if you just have to like bang your head

488
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Speaker 1: against the wall until you are at approximately sixty five

489
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Speaker 1: percent brain capacity and go enjoy it at regal Essex.

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Speaker 2: I mean the way that I'm so excited to see

491
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Speaker 2: that movie.

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Speaker 1: Ugh, yeah, no, it'll be the monument.

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Speaker 9: I sam Hi George loved the pod. I am calling

494
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Speaker 9: just because I have been recently doing a lot of ruminating,

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Speaker 9: specifically on a photo from Jemima Kirk, who plays Jessa

496
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Speaker 9: on HBO's Girls. There's a photo on her Instagram story

497
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Speaker 9: from like I don't know how long ago, in which

498
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Speaker 9: She's asked to give advice to unconfident women, and her

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Speaker 9: response is, I think you guys are thinking too much

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Speaker 9: about yourself to yourselves and that this has like unlocked

501
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Speaker 9: a whole situation for me specifically, and I've been thinking

502
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Speaker 9: about it. Like the question that I have, I guess

503
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Speaker 9: is like that may be like the secret, Like is

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Speaker 9: these straight men love through the world so easily because

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Speaker 9: they are just like not thinking critically about themselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: so I guess I have that question. And then also like,

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Speaker 9: do you agree that is the secret for unconfident women?

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Speaker 9: I also wanted to post the question like do you

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Speaker 9: have any advice for unconfident gay guys? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what an amazing question theory, and yeah, that

512
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Speaker 2: was that was really genius.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have one critique of that call, which is, do

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Speaker 1: not condescend to us by explaining who Jamia mckirkis. We

516
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Speaker 1: know who Jami.

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Speaker 2: I did find that. I was like, hello, Hello.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who you're dealing with here? Okay, I

519
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: want to hear your answer, and then I'm developing a theory.

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Speaker 2: I think that is kind of the key. Sometimes this

521
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Speaker 2: is something sometimes when I'm feeling like particularly magnetic when

522
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Speaker 2: people are like paying attention to me, I'm sort of like,

523
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Speaker 2: what am I doing differently than normal? And I think

524
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Speaker 2: what I'm doing differently is like actually like just like

525
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Speaker 2: not like just sort of moving forward and being like

526
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Speaker 2: like being on self conscious and like, yes, when like

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Speaker 2: I feel like when I'm like like I feel like

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Speaker 2: it happens at work. If I'm like in a bad

529
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Speaker 2: mood and just sort of like I'm just gonna go

530
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Speaker 2: do this thing. That's when people are like, what's Sam

531
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: up to? Like it like really draws people because you're like, oh,

532
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Speaker 2: I'm just doing my own thing. Yeah. And it's not

533
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Speaker 2: because I'm like what am I doing? What should I do?

534
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Speaker 2: It's like because I'm like I just need to Yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: I'm being un self aware.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So along those lines, this is my theory, which

537
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Speaker 1: is that at any given time, we are thinking of

538
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Speaker 1: ourselves as the subject and the object, and there's a

539
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Speaker 1: ratio like at any given point, you're like I am

540
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Speaker 1: seventy percent subject, Like seventy percent of my energy is

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Speaker 1: going into being the one who does, being the one

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Speaker 1: who is, and then the other thirty percent of my

543
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Speaker 1: energy is going to how am I perceived what is

544
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Speaker 1: being done to me? How am I reacting to what

545
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Speaker 1: is being done to me? And I almost am like,

546
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Speaker 1: there should be like an IQ test or like a

547
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Speaker 1: personality test type thing that measures what percentage subject and

548
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Speaker 1: what percent to object you are at any given time.

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Speaker 1: And I think we need to find the golden ratio

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Speaker 1: because I think that's what this is about.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing.

552
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Speaker 1: Isn't that? Wait?

553
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Speaker 2: I literally just thought, Oh, I think that's really that's

554
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Speaker 2: really good.

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Speaker 1: But I do think to this caller's point, straight men

556
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Speaker 1: do think of themselves more as subject, and anyone who

557
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Speaker 1: is in any kind of slightly less privileged position is

558
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: made to think of themselves as an object more. And

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Speaker 1: then even when they are quote unquote empowered, they are

560
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Speaker 1: like being empowered in response to the ways that they

561
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Speaker 1: have been objectified.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, the essential confidence straight man is like,

563
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Speaker 2: isn't someone that's like isn't like the jock necessarily, No,

564
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Speaker 2: It's like the person who like, you're at their house

565
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Speaker 2: and they just like get on the computer, and you're like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sam, yes, because they are literally like I am

567
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Speaker 1: the subject. What I want to do now is get

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Speaker 1: on the computer. Or it's like the classic like, you know,

569
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Speaker 1: straight guy playing video games while other people watch, like

570
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Speaker 1: there is no they are not thinking of themselves as

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Speaker 1: something someone else's experience.

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's very weird, and unfortunately that's also what

573
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: makes them addicting because you're like, oh my god, if

574
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: only you get them to pay attention to me, right,

575
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: that would be amazing.

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Speaker 1: And so much of like reclamation for like queer people

577
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: or women or whatever is like here are the ways

578
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: they have been seen, they have been an object, and

579
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: now we are reclaiming those things. Yeah, and suddenly selfies

580
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Speaker 1: are empowerful.

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Speaker 2: Damn. That's why do you have any advice for unconfident

582
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Speaker 2: gay guys?

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Speaker 1: Oh, advice for unconfident gay guys. You know what, if

584
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: you're an unconfident gig guy, invite someone over to your

585
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Speaker 1: apartment and go on the computer because there is because

586
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Speaker 1: I get to you. The person will find it hot.

587
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Speaker 1: They'll be like what the hell, No, that's sky fucking.

588
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Speaker 2: Rot's great advice that they will be addicted to you

589
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Speaker 2: for life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then also randomly be nice, like like, I

591
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Speaker 1: think what you have to do as a gig guy

592
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Speaker 1: is be really rude, but then randomly be nice to

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Speaker 1: one person and then everyone will see that and be like, oh, oh,

594
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Speaker 1: so it is possible, like if I act, if I

595
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Speaker 1: act in the right way, then he can be nice

596
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Speaker 1: to me too.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's like prison.

598
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly like. So, okay, let's go to our

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Speaker 1: next question. Oh you know, I gotta support this one

600
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Speaker 1: because it is my old New Jersey area code.

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Speaker 11: Whoa Hi, it's Shannon, a longtime listener for some caller.

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Speaker 10: So I've been taking this comedy class.

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Speaker 11: And I've gotten really curious about how some most nice

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Speaker 11: favorite comedians kind.

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Speaker 5: Of learn their craft.

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Speaker 8: So I was wondering if you guys could talk about

607
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Speaker 8: how you learned to.

608
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Speaker 12: Write jokes, like did you.

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Speaker 13: Take classes or did you have.

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Speaker 12: Mentors or did you just like invent jokes for the

611
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Speaker 12: first time?

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Speaker 10: And then kind.

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Speaker 11: Of how did you like find your own voices within

614
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Speaker 11: whatever structure you learned. Maybe this was really boring it

615
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Speaker 11: inside baseball, but I was peer pressured by multiple.

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Speaker 9: Discoordy stays do ask this questions?

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Speaker 5: So here I am.

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Speaker 13: Okay, that's all.

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Speaker 2: I wow. First of all, thanks Shannon. A shout out

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Speaker 2: than Shannon. We've seen you, we hear you this. I

621
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Speaker 2: love I did my passics podcast this morning that was

622
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: entirely about like process. So I'm in such a self

623
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Speaker 2: indulgent state of mind, so I'm actually thrilled to talk

624
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Speaker 2: about this, Okay, go. I learned by going to open mics,

625
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Speaker 2: mostly I because I was an improv girlina I loved improv.

626
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: I thought I would never do stand up. I didn't

627
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Speaker 2: like stand up. I thought people that did stand up

628
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: were bad people. And I was like, but then improv

629
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: sucked in and I was like, okay, let's try it.

630
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Speaker 2: Let's try it. So I went I like committed. I

631
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: was like, I'm just gonna be bad at this for

632
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Speaker 2: a while, and that's okay. And so I went to

633
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Speaker 2: like just regularly like an eleven PM open mic at

634
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Speaker 2: the Creek in the Cave and would bomb and about

635
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: maybe like a month in, I started like having like

636
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: three jokes that worked, and then it's like okay, and

637
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: then I and then you can kind of see how

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00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: they work. I kind of I always say I'm self taught.

639
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: I always say I'm so I'm self taught, but I

640
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: feel like that's I just learned by going to MIC's

641
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: and trying. And then also you see how other people

642
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: do it. And you're like, oh, that's how that works. Yeah, definitely,

643
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Speaker 2: but that's how how about you?

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Speaker 1: I took a class when I was in Boston. It

645
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: was taught by Maron Kagani, who is now has been,

646
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: in fact for many years, a comedian in New York.

647
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Speaker 1: He I signed up for this class not knowing anything

648
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Speaker 1: about him, and I was very lucky because he is gay.

649
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Speaker 1: He is gay and Iranian and has immigrant parents, so

650
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Speaker 1: I like there was enough. There was so much there

651
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Speaker 1: for me to relate to, which is so rare because

652
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, usually a stand up like a

653
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Speaker 1: comedy teacher, let's say, it used to be what I

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Speaker 1: imagine is either like sort of an improv bro like

655
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Speaker 1: a comedy bro, or sort of like an asymmetrical haircut

656
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: blue hair woman, both of which I can celebrate at

657
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: various times in my life. But I think I was

658
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: especially like that it was someone that I felt was

659
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: had similar life experiences as I did, and he was

660
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: really really helpful and really championed me during that and

661
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: later on I think initially introduced me to the people

662
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: at the comedy Studio, which was like the place that

663
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: I liked that ended up really performing a lot at

664
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: in Boston, and I will say after the class was over,

665
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: I was very much like okay, like time to hit

666
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: the ground rinning. And then you sort of like have

667
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: this come down of realizing taking a two week class

668
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: is not enough, Like you actually do have to bomb repeatedly.

669
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: You have to do extremely poorly, and you have to

670
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: go to open mics every night in order to like

671
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: understand how a joke works. And just because you're funny

672
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in person or online, it does not mean that it's

673
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: going to work on the stage. Yeah, but I do

674
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: really credit him with like I would say, because I

675
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: took that class, I think it sort of covered what

676
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I would have learned organically and let's say three months,

677
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just like the things

678
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: you would naturally internalize by seeing other people do it.

679
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: I was just like taught because he was a good

680
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: because he was a good teacher.

681
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did you find your voice in the

682
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 2: frame work?

683
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh? How do I find my voice in the framework?

684
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: You can't just ask a girl how she found her

685
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: voice in the asked.

686
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's.

687
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: See, Yeah, I don't know. I think being in Boston

688
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: really helped because I was very new to the city,

689
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: so I felt different and that helped me be like

690
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: I actually think if I had started in Brooklyn, I

691
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: would be like stressed about differentiating myself and I'd be like,

692
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm like one out of I'm like a

693
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: small fish in a big pond, and there's all these

694
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: gay guys that are like very similar to me, and

695
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: how do I stand, you know, sort of stand up,

696
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: stand out? And I actually just because it was very

697
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: common that I was like the only gay person of

698
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: any kind on a lineup or at the time, because

699
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I was like twenty four, like I was often young

700
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: compared to other people, so that set me apart. Like

701
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: I just I didn't feel like I needed to try

702
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: super hard to be different, and I think that helped

703
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot. And then by the time I moved to

704
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: New York, I like knew a little more who I was.

705
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to dispel some rumors. Not there weren't

706
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: that many gay comedians when I was starting. It was

707
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 2: me and Joel and Julio at the Damn Pine Box

708
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: mic on Wednesdays, and so it was very easy to differentiate.

709
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: No sure, sure, sure, sure, But.

710
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: I feel like for me, it was about I think

711
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: it was helpful to have to like find a the

712
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: squad in Brooklyn where it was like very like I

713
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 2: always credit like like River Ramirez had this show called

714
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Do Something and it was like every Sunday and they

715
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: would do an open mic afterwards that was like very loose,

716
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: very character like it could be literally whatever you wanted

717
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: and there was a DJ there that would like riff

718
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: alongside you, and it was truly like the most experimental

719
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: time in my life in a fun way. And I

720
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: like feeling I really found myself there because like you

721
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: could do normal jokes, but then you can also just

722
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: like fully riff, Like I would like riff riff and

723
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: the DJ would like make little sound effects and I

724
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: would riff with the DJ, and I was like, this

725
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: is like it's still what my favorite thing to do is.

726
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like and I really got like good at

727
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: it there of just like sort of being loose and

728
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: totally and having fun. And I feel like that like

729
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: we all had like a similar goal but a different

730
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: approach to it of like experimental I don't know, but

731
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: still with like traditional jokes and stuff.

732
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I think that's a good point because a

733
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: lot of people will tell you like you have to

734
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: leave your comfort zone and always like go to all

735
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: these different mics and it'll be like in the middle

736
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: of nowhere and you won't know anyone, but you still

737
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: have to make them laugh, which is true to some extent.

738
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: But finding that one space that you feel like safe

739
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: and comfortable to experiment is to me the most important thing.

740
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Like whether that's like a weekly like a weekly mic

741
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: that you know you will know people at and people

742
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: will be like giving you the benefit with a doubt,

743
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Like obviously that can't be your entire life because you

744
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: do have to leave your comfort zone. But that's like

745
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: where you work on stuff. It's almost like you should

746
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: work on stuff there and then test it out in harder.

747
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, there's a little, a little balance. It's good

748
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: to have a little not your people, but it's also

749
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: great to have your people.

750
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure, all right.

751
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 8: Next call Hello, I'm wondering your thoughts on what the

752
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 8: gates or straightst board game?

753
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 9: Thank you?

754
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 10: Fine?

755
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at that laugh.

756
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: I love that laugh.

757
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: Everyone's having such a good time. I I mean, I'm

758
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: trying to not be hyper obvious.

759
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: Of course.

760
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: My instinct is Monopoly is the straightest. It's literally like

761
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: capitalism the world.

762
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say Settlers the Katan is the straightest.

763
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: It's like you're literally like settling the land.

764
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. No, that's very true. Okay,

765
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: so Settlers of Katan and Monopoly are tied for straightest. Yeah,

766
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: we're not board game. Uh, sort of efficionados here, So

767
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm really only thinking about the most popular ones.

768
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: I do think maybe like Pictionary is kind of gay.

769
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: You're like one hundred arts. There's performance, there's stress.

770
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think Pictionary is a great example. It's

771
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: also playing with the forum because you're like, oh, a

772
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: board game, everyone's sitting down and doing the board. But

773
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: with Pictionary, it's like, well what if we were performing?

774
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Scrabble has something LGBTQ plus about it.

775
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's literally performing intellectualism. It's like how it's literally

776
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: how many words? Do you know? It's like it's a

777
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: competition for who is the most oscar wild.

778
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's that's I've always hated scrabble and people

779
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: out scrabble. I'm like, just I believe you. I believe

780
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: that you're smart.

781
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah totally, Okay, great, next question.

782
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 14: Hi, gay guys.

783
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 12: We we we went to our bur loved Brooklyn bar

784
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 12: singers the other day and stumbled upon many of our

785
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 12: mutuals who were there for a straight couples going away party,

786
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 12: all of whom were straight and there for the first time.

787
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 14: So there was lots of back and forth going on

788
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 14: among our table as to whether or not this is

789
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 14: okay because we have brought a straight friend or two

790
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 14: there many times. But I was just wondering, what do

791
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 14: you think of these singers first timers like oggling at

792
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 14: the porn on the screens and the poppers and the

793
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 14: venue machine, and what is the straight etiquette for singers

794
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 14: in particular?

795
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: In I okay, the party element is what is sticking

796
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: to me where I'm like, obviously straight people can come

797
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: to singers. I do think if you're a straight couple

798
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: and you're having a going away party, that's going to

799
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: be primarily straight people, like just go to a different

800
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: bar from bar, but not in like it's not like

801
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: a moral thing. It's more just like it just it's

802
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: like annoying.

803
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, and guess what it is?

804
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: A more ha ha.

805
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: I will say I completely agree that hosting a party

806
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: there as a straight person. Well, I'll say this, Singers

807
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: technically is not a gay bar. Singers is not like

808
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Marie's Crisis. What do you mean by that it has

809
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: been I don't think Singers is like listed as a

810
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: gay bar on Google Match? Are you not that Google

811
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: is that? I'm not the Google is the arbiter of

812
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: what'sca and what's not, obviously, But I don't think it

813
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: was founded as that explicitly. And I actually almost think

814
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: because of that, it's more that's like why it's weirdly

815
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: more inclusive.

816
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 2: But there's toppers in the vending machine, but.

817
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: That's cause it's like owned by gay people.

818
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: This is hard for me to agree with. I'm like

819
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: what I say, Yeah, I'm like it's.

820
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm willing to by default it essentially is,

821
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and so we can we can like start from there.

822
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: But I just mean, like, do you know what I mean? Like,

823
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: there is a certain kind of thing that's like rainbow

824
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: flag gay bar. Sure, Sure, it's a very particular type

825
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: of thing. There's also more specific ones, like a lesbian bar.

826
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: Sure, this is more like fluid a leather bar.

827
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Like Singers is basically just like all the like it's

828
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: literally Emma Watson in Perks of being a wallflower going

829
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Island of Misfit Toys. That's suckers.

830
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're one hundred percent right. Okay, I

831
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: know what you mean. I know what you're saying. Though

832
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

833
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting the experience of seeing otherwise

834
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: very progressive straight people with so many gay friends actually

835
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: be shocked at something that is especially gay, like this

836
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: person describing like straight people going to a going away

837
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: party and then suddenly seeing penetrative gay porn on the screens.

838
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: That is heaven to That is so funny And it's

839
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: actually like really heartwarming to me that like we can

840
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: still have differences.

841
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: No, it is really nice. I mean I was even

842
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: thinking that while I was at the Eagle last night,

843
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: of course with my chosen family, and I was like,

844
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: this is I actually couldn't bring someone like I couldn't

845
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: bring like a random straight guy here, Like he would

846
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: be like this is weird, and I'm like, that's kind

847
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: of fun, like we still have it.

848
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I No, I agree, and I really I just I

849
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: you have to hold those moments in your heart and

850
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: say thank you. Yeah, and you have to say thank.

851
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: You New York, Thank you New York.

852
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 10: All right, next call Hi Davis. I just have one

853
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 10: question in two parts. It's what are you reading this fall?

854
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 10: And who would you like to read this fall?

855
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: Okay, love y'all, fye, okay, okay. I'm I started this

856
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: in the summer and I've been going slow. But I

857
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: picked up another Ursula.

858
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: You love Ursula, KYLEA.

859
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: I give myself an Ursula every summer. I'm reading the

860
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: word for world is forest and I'm almost at the end.

861
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: Damn is it good?

862
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: It is good? Sort of classic ursula. You better believe

863
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: this sci fi has uh some commentary on our society.

864
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: You better believe that, sweetheart.

865
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: But no, it's very it's good. I'm excited for the

866
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: end to see what the vibe is.

867
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: You'll never believe this what. I also read a book

868
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: by a woman named Ursula m h. I read this

869
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: book called ex Wife, which was a book in like

870
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: the twenties, I believe, and it was reissued last year,

871
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and it is about a

872
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: woman going through a divorce in the twenties. But when

873
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: I tell you that, it might as well have been

874
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: re and last week I was having the time of

875
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: my life. I said, this Chika is ready to be empowered.

876
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: She is ready to become, to turn herself from an

877
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: object into a subject, and she is writing about it

878
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: for an audience of primarily gay men and very troubled

879
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: women who read the New York Review of Books. So

880
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: I highly recommended. Her name is Ursula. You know, I'm

881
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna say parrot, even though there is a slight chance

882
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: it is French. I'm going to go ahead and pronounce

883
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: it in the English language parrot.

884
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Wow I.

885
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: And so I read that. I also, I have to say,

886
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: read our friend Dan de Dario's book that has not

887
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: come out yet, but you know, we were some coffee,

888
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: let's be honest, and I have to say I loved it.

889
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: I was like so invested. It is about five actresses

890
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Actress at the Oscars, and you follow

891
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: each of their trajectory and it goes it sort of

892
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: cycles through them, so each chapter is about a different one,

893
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, you start the cycle again. And

894
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: there was something so fun about having fictional fictional celebrities

895
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: to stand and to make like little narratives about and

896
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: then since then whenever like I saw Meryl Streep wearing

897
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: a certain outfit and then my mind I was like,

898
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: she was being so adre Benedict right now, like that

899
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: she's so desperate when she's wearing that pink pantsuit, and

900
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: so you know, shout out to that when it comes out.

901
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: And I want to say, as I already mentioned on

902
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: the podcast, I am, for whatever reason, deciding to read

903
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four on Beauty by Zadi Smith. I

904
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: am in the process of reading it. And my answer

905
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: to what I want to read this fall is that

906
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 1: I finally want to sit down and read Middle March,

907
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: which I've never read. So I will keep everyone posted. Sam,

908
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: what do you want to read?

909
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: Well, I did get another another Joan Diddy and to

910
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: continue my California journey, which one White album.

911
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. That's the one I read. I mean,

912
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: I think I had read it when I was younger,

913
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: but that's the one I read right after she died,

914
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: when I was like, I need to pay tribute.

915
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited. I'm excited to feel feel feel Cali,

916
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: and I want to read Dan's book too. I'm excited

917
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: to read Great.

918
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: It's really good. Okay, Sam, this one's for you. Are ready?

919
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 13: Oh hi George? H Sam, Love you guys. My question

920
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 13: is for Sam. Sam. I was wondering if after watching

921
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 13: George so shekly tie the knot if you think you

922
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 13: and shall ever do the damn thing? Love you guys.

923
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 15: Bye.

924
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think no, we are, we are, we are.

925
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: We're going to try to figure it out, but we

926
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: are being weird about it. And now that, especially now

927
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: that all the hulla balloo the move is settled, I

928
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: think we're going to try to make a plan now,

929
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: which is cool, but I don't even honey, I don't

930
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: know where to start, and I don't you know, as

931
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: we all know, this our descent into going from cool

932
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: gay guys to really uncool gay guys is like it's

933
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: happening so rapidly, and it's like actually very difficult.

934
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: You know that like metaphor of like, you know, you

935
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: boil a fraud, you know, Yeah, it doesn't realize it's

936
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: being boiled until it's dead. That is how I feel

937
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: about becoming uncool and identifying as gen X.

938
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because I'm still being like, can we get

939
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: married without getting engaged? Like is there a way to

940
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: do it.

941
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Wait, are you still so you still don't consider yourself engaged? Interesting,

942
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: you have decided, Just to be clear, you have decided

943
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: you're getting married, but you are not engaged. Correct, Okay,

944
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: that's fair. Why didn't I think of that? I guess

945
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was an option. I just thought

946
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: I had to part of the hazing process is that

947
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I had to go through this nine month period of

948
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: having to say the word fiance or having to say

949
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: the word engage. But I guess you could just not

950
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: do that.

951
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to skip that part. I'm trying to see.

952
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, first of all, I love watching squirm

953
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: when you're when you're describing how you want to get

954
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: married but you don't know how.

955
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

956
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think for you, in your defense,

957
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: it is tough to even pick like a location right

958
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: now because you are It would be sort of random

959
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: to do it in Los Angeles, but that's also where

960
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: you live, and it would be easier. I think doing

961
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: it in Michigan would be a pretty big destination for people. Yeah,

962
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: that's hard to get a lot to ask. Yeah, and

963
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: then coming back to New York would of course be hard.

964
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I kind of will win.

965
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, best of the next question.

966
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 6: Hello, George and Sam, I'm calling in. My name is

967
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 6: Ryan Sickles at Ryan Sickle's major celeb on Instagram.

968
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Speaker 5: Go follow me.

969
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm incredible, shout out.

970
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 6: I'm wondering what you think of the epidemic that's going

971
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 6: on right now of beautiful women dating the ugliest both

972
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 6: panous men, repulsive personality, just pit vipers.

973
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 5: What do you think of.

974
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 6: That epidemic going on of them getting together? So it's

975
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 6: really become a troublesome point in mind life where every

976
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 6: beautiful woman I know I'm dating the worst person in

977
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 6: the worst made in America. It's truly psychotic.

978
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 16: Let me know, I would die for you, right wowweet sweet, Okay,

979
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 16: I'm like, okay, the bad personality is a is a

980
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 16: line in the sand that I don't condone and I don't.

981
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: Celebrate, but they're part of the man can be a little.

982
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: Ugly, That's like exactly, that's what it is.

983
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: Men are supposed to be a little ugly. That's what's

984
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: hot about them. Ugly is hot for men, yes, because

985
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: it's like, are they pulling off ugly? And if you

986
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: can pull off ugly, you're so hot.

987
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: It's really tragic because it just adds to the further

988
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: objectification of women, like in our society, women have to

989
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: be hot and men have to be ugly.

990
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 2: It's it's actually crazy.

991
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: It is like that is the foundation that we start

992
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: on and it is a losing battle from there, and

993
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't really know what way out of it we have.

994
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: There's no way out. The only way is.

995
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Because guess what if yours. If you start, sorry, if

996
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: you start forcing beauty standards on men, they're gonna look worse.

997
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: Imagine a man that's like super botoxed out and is

998
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: wearing makeup and is like has like chiseled a twelve pack.

999
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: It's completely unsexual to me.

1000
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: Very very unsexual. I mean, welcome to la literally.

1001
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I well, that's why no one has sex there.

1002
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: Quite frankly. The bad personality is tough when someone when

1003
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: like a friend, is dating someone that does have a

1004
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: bad personality. I really don't know how to deal with that.

1005
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: It's one of life's greatest questions because it happens so

1006
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: often and there's genuinely nothing you can do because if

1007
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: you're like, break up with him, he sucks, they'll just

1008
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: like stop talking to you. Yeah, and you just kind

1009
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: of have to let it run its course. And yeah,

1010
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: but at least let them be physically ugly.

1011
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: I know they have to be physically ugly. You just

1012
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: have to hope that they're the kind of physically ugly

1013
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: that has had to develop a personality in response to that,

1014
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: and not the kind of physically ugly that has had

1015
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: to develop a career only in response to that.

1016
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, that's smart, that's good intel.

1017
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I have to say that epidemic of

1018
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: that happening is not going to end anytime soon. So

1019
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: I say, put that smile on your face when you

1020
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: get lunch with your girls, and just be prepared to

1021
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: say I love that ring, it's so beautiful.

1022
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: And think about the amazing speech you can give at

1023
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: the wedding. When I first met Ryan, I said, this

1024
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 2: guy is ugly and so is his personality. But after

1025
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: we went to Mexico together, I realized there's more to

1026
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: him than.

1027
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: Shitty opinions exactly. But now that they're married, there's no

1028
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: way around They're getting married.

1029
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 2: And I love love perfect.

1030
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Wow, write that down, Okay. Oh this is from one

1031
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: of our favorite Discordistas.

1032
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 17: Hi, George and Sam, Sam and George.

1033
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: This is a umble cat.

1034
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 17: I am calling because although it is really fucked up

1035
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 17: when childless people give unsolicited parenting advice, here I am

1036
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 17: the listing someum, so please go wild. Know that I

1037
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 17: speak for the entire parenting community and say that no

1038
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 17: one will be offended when you give your hot tips,

1039
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 17: tricks and best ideas for raising children in New York

1040
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 17: or LA.

1041
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, damn. Shout out to bumblecat, shout out to

1042
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: discreditive umblecat George parenting advice. You know we have permission.

1043
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: I know it's hard. First of all, no screens until

1044
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: age sixteen.

1045
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: You can have a screen at the moment you can

1046
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: drive a car.

1047
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: At the moment you can drive a car, You're gonna

1048
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: have a.

1049
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: Screen, because how are you gonna drive if you can't

1050
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: text and drive?

1051
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: No social media a huge ernest piece of parenting advice.

1052
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: No homeschooling. I mean say that, no homeschooling.

1053
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: Get them into a school.

1054
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: Get them into a school. I think, teach them about

1055
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: acts of generosity and community. I don't want to the

1056
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: community organizing, but like acts of community early on, whether

1057
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: that's find some alternative to church like have a thing

1058
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: where they see, even if it's taking them to the

1059
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: farmer's market, they have to see people acting in community.

1060
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, no, I like that.

1061
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Well, if you're in New York and LA. A huge

1062
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: piece of advice that I have is have so much money.

1063
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: Just have endless amounts of money, Have secret kinds of

1064
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: money that no one knows where they come from.

1065
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: Have like a normal job, but like have nicer things

1066
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: than everyone else.

1067
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one knows how potentially various bank accounts

1068
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: in shadowy places like Switzerland or the Maldives. Just a

1069
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: lot of money, and wear really expensive clothes and just

1070
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: always look fabulous even though it's sort of unclear what

1071
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: you do. And so that's a big one, I think.

1072
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: More to the point, you know, don't try to make

1073
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: it work with bringing kids to places they don't belong,

1074
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: Like you have to just sacrifice it and be like

1075
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: one parent stays home with the kids. One not that

1076
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: everyone always has two parents, but assuming you have two parents,

1077
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: parents three with the kids. Some people have three and

1078
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: the other person goes out. Also like be in community

1079
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: with other parents and have like sort of way, you know,

1080
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: a schedule where certain like this couple baby sits the

1081
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: kid when you go out, and you babysit their kid

1082
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: when they go out. Basically find ways to cosplay not

1083
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: having kids for hours at a time every week.

1084
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question about parenting. Okay, do you

1085
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: think it's more like I remember I hated swim team.

1086
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: I was on swim team my whole life, and I

1087
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: hated it the entire time, maybe until I was about

1088
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: like sixteen that I was good at swimming, and I

1089
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, now I like it, but what's what's

1090
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: your stance on making kids do stuff they don't want

1091
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: to do?

1092
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: Because this is one of the hardest things.

1093
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: Because now I'm actually extremely grateful that I'm really good

1094
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: at swimming, and swimming is like like being in the

1095
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: water is one of the most important things to me,

1096
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: but I hate it the whole time.

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00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: This is one of the hardest things. I almost think

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00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: once again, just like there needs to be a golden

1099
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: ratio between being a subject and an object. There needs

1100
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: to be a golden ratio between being forced to do

1101
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: things you don't want to do and having your voice heard. Yeah,

1102
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: and I'm literally like the golden the people who know

1103
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: the golden ratio. Are people exactly like me who have

1104
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: parents that were immigrants, but they themselves are not immigrants.

1105
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: It's like you have to basically combine the mentality of

1106
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: a stricter parent with the mentality of just like one

1107
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: of those like New York parents that lets their kids

1108
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: just like paint in crayon on a work of art

1109
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: at the Guggenheim and is like, she's creative. Like you

1110
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: have to just combine those two and find the right

1111
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty. I think I almost maybe fifty to

1112
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: fifty is the right ratio. Maybe it's like every second

1113
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: time that a kid doesn't want to do something, you

1114
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: force them to do it.

1115
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice. I think that's good.

1116
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, oh this is fun.

1117
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 5: Hi Sam and George?

1118
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: Did you two?

1119
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 15: We're in a Preaky Friday type situation where you swapped

1120
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 15: bodies for twenty four hours?

1121
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 5: What would you do?

1122
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 10: Thanks?

1123
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: Okay, what would we do? Huh?

1124
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: I have an answer?

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00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Okay, what is it?

1126
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: I'd uh, I'd take that hole for a spin. You

1127
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: are crazy and say, let's see this hole. Let's go,

1128
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: let's go for a spin. See how the other half?

1129
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, well, well I'm going to take yours

1130
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: for a spin.

1131
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: Well, you're not gonna like it. You're gonna say, damn,

1132
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: this is much harder.

1133
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 7: Damn.

1134
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is true that I'm better at

1135
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: it than you are. Let me take this damn hole

1136
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: for a s Then what would I do? I mean,

1137
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. Okay, so we found something my

1138
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: body does better than yours. What would I do if

1139
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: I were in your shoes?

1140
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 11: Oh?

1141
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: I know what I would do. I would like, very

1142
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: lightly fuck with all your coworkers, Like I would go

1143
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: to work, but then do really weird, like very small

1144
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: weird things, like I would bring fish and try and

1145
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: microwave it for lunch. Or I would like I would like,

1146
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: you'd sulely my reputation, yeah. Or I would like randomly

1147
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: just constantly name drop like I would. I would be

1148
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: like I was with Olivia Wilde last night and she

1149
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: is trying to get this deal closed, and when I

1150
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: tell you that Sony is absolutely useless, like it's always

1151
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: something and she's a really really smart writer, like people

1152
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: don't really understand that, And I would just do that,

1153
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: like one after the other. I would start name dropping

1154
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: random celebrities to like people you like at work.

1155
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, that's like one degree away

1156
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: from what I really I am. Like whenever I see

1157
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: a celebrity, I'm like, ah, like, I'm like, you wouldn't

1158
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: believe it? Is that a party? In choice of bombs there,

1159
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: Like I can't not.

1160
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean literally a man Jessica Biel, Hey, Trendie does

1161
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about.

1162
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard not to.

1163
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: Okay, great, perfect answers, I think for both. All Right,

1164
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: this one, this one is funny.

1165
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 15: Okay, Hi, George and Sam, this is a time sensitive question.

1166
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 15: Next week in my partner and I are going to

1167
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 15: a previous Thirds wedding.

1168
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 5: So he and his new.

1169
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 15: Partner are very homonormative, which I find is basically gay straight.

1170
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 15: So for example, their house theme is beijed Alagonza. Anyways,

1171
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 15: I'm asking this question anonymously because the new partner doesn't

1172
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 15: know that they use to fuck slash date and I'm

1173
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 15: really struggling to figure out what do I get a

1174
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 15: previous third in a now homonormative relationship as a wedding gift? Anyways,

1175
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 15: thank you so much.

1176
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: By Okay, this person is going to a former Thirds

1177
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: wedding and the question, which is iconic, is what gift

1178
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: to get for the former third's wedding? Do you have

1179
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: any idea?

1180
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, get them like a fancy coffee maker.

1181
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, that's a really good idea.

1182
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going for like an espresso machine,

1183
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's they're basic. You can get them that.

1184
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: It's it. Also, Yeah, I'm sort of like, why go

1185
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: not to.

1186
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: Be totally I mean, I think all we know about

1187
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: this person is that they are a former third, but

1188
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, it might be that they're also close friend,

1189
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: true true, true, Like they're there, they also have a

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: good relationship. I would say my advice would be get

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01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: something really normal, but then write a little quip in

1192
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: the card. Hmm, like get an espresso machine and be like,

1193
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: think of me every third espresso you make.

1194
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: Damn, you're like the joker. I love that.

1195
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think west with them a little bit. Don't

1196
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: get a gag gift. I think that is rude, Like,

1197
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: don't get like a giant vibrating dildo. Yeah, get an

1198
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: expresso machine. Okay, all right, next question.

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01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: Hi Sam and George. I was just wondering, but Halloween

1200
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 5: fast approaching? What scares you?

1201
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 10: Thanks?

1202
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: Guys, I do want to say, this is the same

1203
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: person that sent the Freaky Friday message. I just checked

1204
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: and it's the same number two. So apologies to other

1205
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: people whose calls are not being played because we had

1206
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: to play two calls from the same person. What scares you, hypocrisy?

1207
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: The Trump.

1208
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: Hello waves around manically, gestures wildures wildly.

1209
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: Hello, wake up people trying to vote.

1210
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, rising fascism, the end of democracy.

1211
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: Maybe gestures around to all of this.

1212
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: So I guess all of this is normal.

1213
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: I you know, I've got some classics. I heights. I'm

1214
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: not a big on.

1215
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: Birds.

1216
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't love fish. I think I fish

1217
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: can really ruin my experience in the water. If I

1218
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: see too many of them, it makes me want to leave.

1219
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: And that's all you can really think of, How about you?

1220
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: I would say, the vastness of the ocean really yeah,

1221
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: Like there is a poster for the Disney film Atlantis

1222
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: The Last Empire that is just the letter A but

1223
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: in a really really violent ocean, and that used to

1224
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: really scare me when I saw it at the movie

1225
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: theaters when I was a kid. And I really love

1226
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: the beach. I traveled on by boat pretty often when

1227
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: I am home for the summers, and I hate when

1228
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: there's too much you know, turbulence on a boat.

1229
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, boats are.

1230
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: And it's also like there's something scary to me about

1231
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: something as like I would say so calming as the water.

1232
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, to be by a beach when the water

1233
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: is calm is literally meditation. The fact that it can

1234
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: turn in one second and kill you. I mean, if

1235
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: that's not a metaphor for life, then I don't know whether.

1236
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: I have this thing about the ocean, like I do

1237
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: like watching sort of stories about people who get you know,

1238
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: their boat crashes and they're stuck floating for days or

1239
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: like whatever, like sort of perilous moments in the ocean,

1240
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: and I'm there's something in me where I'm like i'd live,

1241
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: Like there's something where I'm not afraid of the ocean

1242
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I know I could live. And it's

1243
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, so it's fifty miles a shore,

1244
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: I can swim that. And it's like, no, you can't,

1245
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: But like in my mind, I'm like, I'd make it.

1246
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: I'd make it.

1247
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's sort of how I feel about jumping from

1248
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: like jumping off a bridge. I'm like, well, let's watch

1249
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: like I would just like die totally.

1250
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, just like hold tight.

1251
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay, ooh, there are some good ones coming up.

1252
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 5: All right, Hi, my name is Connor.

1253
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 18: I'm calling in from Washington, DC. Love the show, come

1254
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 18: back soon, okay. And here's my question, what does it

1255
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 18: mean to you to be a man? When you hear

1256
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 18: that question, do you immediately really rise and dismiss it

1257
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 18: because of the premise of the question, or just being

1258
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 18: a man mean something to you? And how would you

1259
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 18: answer it?

1260
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 7: Okay, that's it.

1261
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: Wow, this is an interesting one. I will say both

1262
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: in a sort of before the comment about like do

1263
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: you roll your eyes? We both sort of hopped up,

1264
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: not roll our eyes, but sort of in shock.

1265
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, it's one of those things you don't want to

1266
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: grapple with.

1267
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: You don't want to grapple with. And it's almost like

1268
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: when people are like, what's the meaning of life and

1269
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: you're like, what do you mean? Like it's life? Isn't

1270
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: a question? Like there's no meaning, there's not there's no translation.

1271
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: It's also difficult to answer it in a non cliche

1272
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: way in these times. I don't want to be self

1273
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: flagellating and be like you know, of course it comes

1274
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: with privileges that I'm aware of, and I try to

1275
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: make space.

1276
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: In this house we believe yea.

1277
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: In this house, we believe that being a man means

1278
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: staying silent and letting the women do the talking unless

1279
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: they don't want to, in which case we step up

1280
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: as men.

1281
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it mean to be a man? I

1282
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: have no idea. What does that even mean? You know?

1283
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: What's right? Well, here's the thing. It's almost like I

1284
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: very much relate to the idea of being a gay man,

1285
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: and that is like, well, there's history, there's cultural yes,

1286
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like, is there a way to separate the two, Like,

1287
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: do I relate to the identity of man separate from

1288
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: the identity of game a man? I don't know.

1289
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: I can't tell. I mean, I like sometimes with like

1290
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: my clothes and the whole Americana thing.

1291
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: Hmmm, that's true.

1292
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: I feel like a certain like it feels foreign, but

1293
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: in a way that feels fun Like it's almost like

1294
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: when like like it's like putting on a dress, but

1295
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: a man dress, but a man dress, and it's like

1296
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: because it doesn't it's not like, oh, this is every day.

1297
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: It's like I'm feeling special in a way that I

1298
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: don't know what that is.

1299
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I had a little bit of

1300
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: that when I was planning the wedding, where I was like,

1301
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: at every given point we basically had to do the

1302
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: groom rather than the bride thing. Like it's like, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna wear a veil, Like we're going shopping for

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: groom suits. We are having little boutonneires with like flowers

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01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: on them.

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Speaker 9: We are.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, making like we're very aware of things

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01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: not looking too frilly, even like the party favors and

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01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And it was an interesting experience to

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: always ultimately gravitate towards the more masculine thing than the

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: more feminine thing. Like there was not a single thing

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: at the wedding that I mean, other than like the

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: music and the guests, There's not a single thing that

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: was like that played with gender in anyway. Yeah, And

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wonder what that means. In my mind.

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're keeping a classic and that is

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: the most like chic thing you can do. But then

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:59,480
Speaker 1: are we upholding the very institutions.

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01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 2: That are a rise of fascism.

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: Rise of fascism a microcosm of the rest of the world.

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:11,480
Speaker 1: But the best I think my version of your Americana

1322
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: thing is that I genuinely love wearing a suit, like

1323
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: to wear a suit tailor to your body, with a

1324
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: beautiful tie that you or like I love. I love

1325
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: tying my own tie because it's something that you like

1326
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: grow up seeing your dad do or something, and every

1327
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: time you do it, you're like, look at me, I'm

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: a man.

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01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel about shaving. Yeah, exactly,

1330
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing I don't even I have like an

1331
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 2: electric razor, and I'm actually robbing myself of like I've

1332
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: always wanted to be the guy with like shaving cream

1333
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: on his face, like in the shower in morning, and

1334
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I ever, that to me is like

1335
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: the peak of masculinity, and I'm like, I'm not ready yet.

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: I actually think when I grew out my beard. I

1337
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: grew out my beard after my big breakup in like

1338
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and I thought it was going to be

1339
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: sort of a post breakup thing, and then now many

1340
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 1: years later, I still have it, and that was almost

1341
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: like after rejecting so much of masculinity that was like

1342
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: a way, a little baby step back in where I

1343
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: was like, oh, look at me, I can have a

1344
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: beer and be gay.

1345
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know.

1346
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: I think we have a complicated and ambivalent and at

1347
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: times ambivalent relationship with being men. But I certainly don't

1348
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: think we can say we don't think about it at all.

1349
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: No, I think we're we're almost like there's like a

1350
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 2: removal where we're like, yeah, like trying to look at

1351
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: it from a zoomed out place, but then we but

1352
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: are not entirely I don't know what that means.

1353
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: And listen. I sometimes I think I'm past, you know,

1354
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: doing straight voice on the phone when someone calls your family,

1355
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like when someone calls the

1356
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: home phone and you're answering, you're like, uh, hello, no,

1357
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: my mom's not here in all your thirteen Like, I

1358
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: think I'm past that, And then sometimes guess what, I

1359
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: find myself still doing it. Sometimes you'll suddenly meet a man,

1360
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: like a boyfriend of a friend of yours, or something

1361
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: that is so oppressively manly that you're like, well I

1362
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: have to keep up.

1363
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes I'm like I don't even know what

1364
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: my real voice is anymore, but because my voice definitely

1365
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: changes also when I'm around you know, the Chicas. When

1366
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: it's like when we're all at singers, I sound different.

1367
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but knowing whatever, whatever, Guess what gender is a performance?

1368
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: And I made that up so you can write that down.

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: That's smart, right, Next question, Hi, George.

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 13: And Sam, I just want to ask do you think

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 13: that chaplorone has Reached's past?

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Sam, and this is all you Well,

1373
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: the thing is she was always at Lizzo's Pass. It's

1374
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: just which direction did she go?

1375
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 9: Like?

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: But but do you think chosen the direction? Because I

1377
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: sort of think no. And that's what's so stressful about

1378
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 1: this moment is that there's this extended period of time

1379
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: where she's at the pass and she's like not doing it,

1380
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: not picking.

1381
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think you're right. I think

1382
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: there's an internal internal struggle because I think both both

1383
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: ways don't look good to her. It's a very lotr

1384
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 2: you know.

1385
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: And for anyone who does know Lizo's Pass, Sam, would

1386
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: you like to explain O.

1387
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 2: Lizzo's Pass is that place where when you get really famous,

1388
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: like quickly and you're like sort of indie famous, but

1389
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: then you're at a point where you could be even bigger,

1390
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 2: and you're like, but right now, do you like, if

1391
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 2: you're at Lizo's Pass, It's like, which direction do you go?

1392
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: Do you go like the Lizo route and sort of

1393
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: become like target songs, or do you go like f

1394
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,480
Speaker 2: kaka Twigs and stay true.

1395
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: And recommit to your alternates. And you're like, Okay, I'll

1396
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: just make money doing fashion ab and like randomly an

1397
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: ad for Google Glass. But that's not going to affect

1398
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: my indie cred because my music is going to stay

1399
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: indie and it's going to be listened to by approximately

1400
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: thirteen gay guys who all have borderline personality disorder.

1401
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: And I'm one of them. Yeah, I really. And because

1402
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: there was a point that people forget that Lizzo was like.

1403
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: Cool cool, Lizo was cool, and she was at Lizzo's.

1404
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: Past, she was at Lisso's Pass, and she took she

1405
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: chose herd, she chose target. And now Chapel has, you know,

1406
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: climbed the mountain and she's at Lisso's Pass as well.

1407
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: What do you think Phoebe Bridges chose this?

1408
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 2: I think it's going to depend on the next album.

1409
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I agree, because I think there's a way she

1410
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: could go full poppy on the next album and it

1411
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: would be kind of shocking.

1412
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm grateful that she's like been silent

1413
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: for like the last nine months. Is she same, because

1414
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: just because it's I think it's a good it shows

1415
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: a good like understand of the past. And she's like, yeah,

1416
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to take the wrong path. I need

1417
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: to be quiet.

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1419
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, good for her, Yeah, good for Phoebe Bridgers. And

1420
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: I just want to say to Chapel, you know, take

1421
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: some time to journal.

1422
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: I want to say, don't fall for it, Like exactly this,

1423
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: all of this is fake. Everyone being mad at you

1424
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: is fake. Everyone defending you as fake. Like the whole

1425
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: thing is just whole thing is invented to have people

1426
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: have something to tweet about.

1427
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: You are better than this. You are a great songwriter.

1428
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: You are talented beyond your years. And in the words

1429
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: of Fiona Apple, this world is bullshit.

1430
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: This world is bullshit, and like the more you can

1431
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: ignore it, Like the way that I've been watching all

1432
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: this unfold and just been like, wait, none of this matters.

1433
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 1: I feel none of this matter.

1434
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing towards any of this, and I wish, I

1435
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: hope that she is able to see it and sort

1436
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 2: of ignore it. Ye, but it's hard, I would imagine.

1437
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: Of course.

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 5: Well.

1439
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: Uh, that was the first part of our earnest of

1440
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: our autumnal earnestness bonanza. We will be back next week

1441
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: for more. We are actually like approximately exactly halfway through

1442
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: the questions we chose, so see again, and thank you

1443
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: for listening, and we love you so many final words.

1444
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: We love you, Thanks for listening, and special shout out

1445
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: to the discordistas. It's fun to hear your voices.

1446
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really fun. And Toronto, we'll see you

1447
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:38,879
Speaker 1: in November.

1448
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Chicago and New York see you very soon.

1449
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Chicago.

1450
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: There's literally like two tickets left, so get those fast

1451
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,800
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1452
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