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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back today. We got Mike Bibi. I had you

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Speaker 1: on like maybe two three years ago, and uh, you

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Speaker 1: came up in our Devin George episode and then and

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Speaker 1: then we posted it and they had you up there

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Speaker 1: with Kobe after Game seven, the dual interview.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the only I think that's the only

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Speaker 3: time is that.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember. I don't remember any of that ship happening,

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Speaker 2: and I'm glad they stopped it afterwards. That's probably a

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Speaker 2: one and down.

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Speaker 3: Man, you saw my face. I'm like, what what the

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Speaker 3: hell y'all got me up here for? I couldn't believe

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Speaker 3: how the media I'm trying to get I was trying

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Speaker 3: to get out there.

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Speaker 2: That's how the media person from your team get cursed out.

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Speaker 2: And you don't you don't mean too, but when they

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Speaker 2: put you in that situation like the usually that's when

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Speaker 2: you cuss out the media person.

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Speaker 3: But but you know, he got me. What I forget

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Speaker 3: his name is that was doing.

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Speaker 2: This, Jim Jim.

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Speaker 3: He grabbed me when I was going off, like, he

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Speaker 3: at me and then yeah, yeah, then he got he

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Speaker 3: pulled Kobe over there. He was doing.

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Speaker 2: His journalism is a little messy. You know, he gets

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Speaker 2: in like you know what he was doing. He knew

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Speaker 2: what the fuck that meant? You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: excuse my French by having both of y'all up for him.

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Speaker 2: That's he's playing little games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pissed off. You see, you saw my face.

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Speaker 1: And I'm surprised that Kobe wanted to do that after

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Speaker 1: your face fouled the ship out of his elbow.

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Speaker 3: That was that was game six. That was game six.

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Speaker 3: I think he fucked me up on that. But I

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Speaker 3: mean it was a it was a slide move, you know,

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Speaker 3: the old school moves. You know, I teach my kids

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Speaker 3: when I coach. If you could get away with it,

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Speaker 3: just make it look like a basketball play, that's you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's what he did. He made

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Speaker 3: it look like a basketball play. Almost broke my nose,

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Speaker 3: but I mean it was. It was like it bit

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Speaker 3: it looked like a basketball play.

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Speaker 1: So, uh so after that series, obviously you losing seven,

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Speaker 1: Jeli was telling me before what was that?

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Speaker 2: Gino told me a story that he talked to me,

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Speaker 2: you know, Gino, Gino told me a story afterwards. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he told me a story afterwards. He talked to you

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Speaker 2: after after that game, and he said, the only thing

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Speaker 2: that you that you could think of to do to

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Speaker 2: make yourself feel better, feel better, I guess was to

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Speaker 2: buy a Lambeau or a Ferrari. And he said, and

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Speaker 2: he said, and he said, he said, he talked to

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Speaker 2: you afterwards, and he asked you if you felt better,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, no, it didn't help.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I mean I was sick because

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Speaker 3: I mean at that, I mean just throughout the throughout

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Speaker 3: the series, I knew we were a better team. I

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Speaker 3: mean just by looking at you. I mean to go

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Speaker 3: against Shaq and his prime, Kobe and his prime, to

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Speaker 3: even be on the court with them and have a

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Speaker 3: chance to beat them, I think because you look at

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Speaker 3: the you look at the game seven, we shoot two

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Speaker 3: for thirteen from from three, and we shoot under fifty

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Speaker 3: from the freak throw line, and we're going to overtime,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just I mean,

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Speaker 3: it just showed like that was our time. But I

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Speaker 3: also look at it as if we win that game,

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Speaker 3: there's no three pat you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 3: I think there's like two teams count the Bulls twice maybe,

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Speaker 3: but in the Lakers, that's only three pt that I

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Speaker 3: think the NBA has ever had. So I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think we would have. We kind of would have messed

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Speaker 3: up kind of NBA history just for you know, Shack

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Speaker 3: and Kobe's legacy, and I mean I feel like that

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Speaker 3: was our time, you know. I think we could have

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Speaker 3: things could have been different after that. If we win

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Speaker 3: that championship, you know, we keep the team together longer.

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Speaker 3: Just things I think would have been turned out different

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Speaker 2: Well I'm glad y'all didn't because I got a ring

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Speaker 2: over there watching fish, So I'm glad defense again. He

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Speaker 2: would come over and it'll be like he'd be like

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Speaker 2: looking around and it's like what he cooking? Bro? This

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Speaker 2: is before kids said let him cook, Like they was

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Speaker 2: letting him cook and he was cooking. There was nothing

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Speaker 2: nothing you can do about it. He was looking around

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Speaker 2: he he fired bros around. You can try. That's probably

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Speaker 2: why COVID like the ship the devices he went to

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Speaker 2: to like stop and I'm like, noah, he in his

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Speaker 2: own man. This is this is you know how this

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Speaker 2: thing ain't no help.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it just got to the point

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Speaker 3: where I was just like, like you said, I was

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Speaker 3: in the groove, I think. And that was my first

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Speaker 3: playoffs ever. I think that I think, you know, playing

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Speaker 3: John Stockton in the first round, my first ever playoffs

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Speaker 3: and they're going against Nash kind of got me ready

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Speaker 3: to shine in that moment that that was. That was

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Speaker 3: the next the Western Conference.

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Speaker 2: It's a different type of point guard from Stockton and

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Speaker 2: de Fish ain't really you know, he the point guard,

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Speaker 2: but he got to run a triangle, he got to

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Speaker 2: do the two pie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it's different because like when you guard

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Speaker 3: offensively because I don't really have to do much defensively

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Speaker 3: because they got shocked. They got Kobe, then comes Fox.

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Speaker 3: Then you know, I mean, you go all the way

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Speaker 3: down the line and fishes maybe for that fourth or

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Speaker 3: fifth person. So just in real life standards, they're not

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Speaker 3: going to let him cook like how I was going

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Speaker 3: you get in positions like that. Stockton was the man

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Speaker 3: on his team. Nosk was the man. He could score

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Speaker 3: and pass. When you get to the Lakers, and it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like he's fourth, fifth fiddle. I kind of

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Speaker 3: got to relax a little bit on defense and kind

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Speaker 1: A big storyline in that A big storyline in that series, though,

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Speaker 1: was Kobe wanting to guard you, and I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think people kind of know you and Kobe's relationship

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Speaker 1: was back to your dad's. When was the first time

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Speaker 1: you actually met him? Was it the McDonald's game or

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Speaker 1: was it when you were like four years old.

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Speaker 3: The McDonald's game. I mean, like I was a baby

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Speaker 3: when my dad was with the Sixers, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. So I don't really I see pictures and stuff,

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Speaker 3: I don't really remember anything because we moved. We moved

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Speaker 3: but became really close when we got to the McDonald's game.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, just you gravitate the people.

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Speaker 3: Our dads play on the same team. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: it just kind of gravitated to each other. He was

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Speaker 3: a funny story that he was. He was gonna take

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Speaker 3: my sister to prom, to his prom. I don't even

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Speaker 3: have been like, must have been like fourteen years old.

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Speaker 3: And I guess he figured. I guess he figured, just

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Speaker 3: like you know, that ain't gonna work. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: with Moesha. I thought, yeah, yeah, Moaysha said yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: my bad.

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Speaker 2: Bad damn.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not the fourteen year old bro.

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Speaker 3: I know that's what I said. I think that's why

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Speaker 3: it changed. But you know, everything happens for a reason.

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Speaker 3: But I mean just just to see his his work

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Speaker 3: I was always playing basketball summer, whether it was on

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Speaker 3: park to play. We've done this part, were going next park.

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Speaker 3: I was always playing. It was never really workouts for me.

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Speaker 3: Even when I got to like the college in the NBA,

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Speaker 3: my workouts were spot shooting and maybe one or two

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Speaker 3: drill pull ups right or left. I never did no

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Speaker 3: ball handling. I never did no cone work. I never

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Speaker 2: That's not the bib game to me. Mike Bibby, was

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Speaker 2: he fishing? You didn't need all that shit. You knew

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Speaker 2: how to hide the hide screens, you knew the angles,

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Speaker 2: what I mean, which is the all equalizer. You didn't

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Speaker 2: why I enjoyed. I always wanted to play with it

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Speaker 2: because Baron was a different thing. Baron wrap that mouth,

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Speaker 3: The game's easy, though. You know a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: needs to be. You know, you're getting the workouts. To

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Speaker 3: it's not that easy. I always tell the guys, like God,

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Speaker 3: sa I always teach my kids. I teach my kids

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Speaker 3: all the games simple like when we when we train kids,

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Speaker 3: we do simple stuff. What you're going to do in

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Speaker 3: the game. How many dons? How many people have you

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Speaker 3: seen in the NBA do a corner three and step

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Speaker 2: A lot that never used to happen. I'm thinking, I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking about I'm thinking back to like that's a big

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Speaker 2: no no, like lines know the lines, yeah, long twus

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Speaker 2: was a big no no. Yeah, and stepping out of

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Speaker 3: So now when when you train guys, now I put

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Speaker 3: I put that into the workout because you see guys

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Speaker 3: So that's why I try to I do little stuff

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Speaker 3: corner and you practice how you play, don't step back

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Speaker 3: because it's just much room for errors. I mean, just

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Speaker 3: little stuff like that I put in my workouts and

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny now that you said that. I've

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Speaker 2: seen a video of Kevin Durant shooting like twenty jumpers

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Speaker 2: right on the baseline with just his heels up.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, we're in the corner.

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Speaker 2: Different means that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send it to you. He in the corner

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Speaker 2: and he got his he got his heels up right

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Speaker 2: I'll send it to you.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean see like there's a few guys that

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Speaker 2: It's weird. The mid range. The mid range is where

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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't I don't want to be here.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to play here. And it's nothing against

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Speaker 3: My dream is still complete. I'm not I'm not knocking that,

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Speaker 3: but just being a different country. I wasn't ready for that.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't mature enough. I wasn't ready.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: What about the Steve Francis Draft, because that could have

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Speaker 3: Pick, and they picked Antonio Daniels the year before they

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Speaker 2: Now and you got your running mate. You got a

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Speaker 2: Like I don't want to be here, Let's go get

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Speaker 2: transitioning away from country a little bit. How nice was

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Speaker 3: When he wanted the when he wanted to play a

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Speaker 2: Of like that's it. He started checking out.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he played after that.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember him going anywhere and doing anything after

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Speaker 3: He got his money and that was it. So, I

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Speaker 3: And if I would end up going to the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: When did the when did the pick and roll become?

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Speaker 1: Did that proceed your playing? I know the picking roll

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Speaker 2: Uh? In offense?

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Speaker 3: It was I mean, it was happening. It was. It

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Speaker 3: it was more pick and rolls. It wasn't a money

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Speaker 3: dribble handoffs. So like when I went to Sacramento, it

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Speaker 3: So I mean we had just hit the I mean

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Speaker 2: You know why, I think why I think it changed,

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Speaker 2: Bib and why I think you asked that question. It

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Then it's you know the

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Speaker 2: you got your rollers. Sometimes that's not the same person, right,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they let the other dude, you're the picker. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: That goes back to it goes back to being a

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Speaker 2: And its big.

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Speaker 2: If you come off and you rip, you know what

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Speaker 3: And you can see it. You can see what he's

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Speaker 3: If he comes up the pick and he walks up slow.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be back now if I come up, Biggs,

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Speaker 3: don't ever want to guard the guards. If you see

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Speaker 3: It's the same philosophies. The funny part is I never

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Speaker 3: My first thing is yes, My thing is when I

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to the other side and hopefully all

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Speaker 3: kind of learned, Like, Okay, now I could play, I

435
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 3: could cut, I could play. Oh, I could play basketball.

436
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: Basketball is supposed to be played, not like a machine mechanical,

437
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 3: come down, throwing in the post, jogged to the other side,

438
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: and just watch one person play one on one.

439
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm makes sense. Uh.

440
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: First first interaction or memories with Rick Adelman, and do

441
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: you think he's kind of a historically underrated coach? He

442
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: never wanted title, he never did.

443
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: He never won a title, did he? He was up

444
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: there in Portland, right he didn't got next Mike. Yeah,

445
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: Mike took that away from him.

446
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, great coach as far as like

447
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 3: off the court, wouldn't really give you much, you know,

448
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 3: as far but on the court, he's a whole different person.

449
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: When he gets in from that court, he talks, He

450
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: gets it, and he teaches, he does all this stuff.

451
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 3: But I remember I was in the weight room one time.

452
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if they frowned upon weightlifting back then,

453
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 3: because I always lifted weights. And I remember him walking

454
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: by one time, just me and him. He walked by

455
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: and looked. He looked at me and just walked asked,

456
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, good morning, good morning. He didn't say nothing,

457
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: but like he was like off the court, he wouldn't

458
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 3: really talk much. When you get him on that court,

459
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: he's an animal. One of the best coaches I played for.

460
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: I enjoying. I was enjoyed Rick Adaman's teams. They got

461
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: up and down, they had some good sets. They was winning.

462
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: Y'all seem happy. You seem to be able to create

463
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: and express yourself during the game. The one is in there.

464
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: But it didn't seem like a very restrictive type of thing.

465
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: It was fun. It was fun like he let us

466
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: play and it was never like he really respected that

467
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: we were pros. We took care of business coming in

468
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: and he just let us play.

469
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: It's funny being on other teams. You're like, man, I

470
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: need to try to get over there. Man, that's him

471
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: like that and down a little bit web over there

472
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: pomming it and yeah yeah.

473
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: And the thing how I got there. I remember there.

474
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: I was like they were playing and moved the team.

475
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: So the owner, Michaeljazie recipes too. He came to me.

476
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: He's like Mike we're gonna we're thinking about moving the

477
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: team next year, and you know we're gonna start with

478
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 3: a clean slate. We want to put you in a

479
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: good position. Where would you like to play? Give me

480
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 3: five places you would want to play, uh, and we

481
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: try to work something out. So I gave him five.

482
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: I gave him five teams and then he telled me, like,

483
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: what's the number one spot you want to go to?

484
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: And I said Sacramento. And that's the last I heard

485
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: of it. Then I think it was draft night. I

486
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: got a call. It was like one in the morning.

487
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: I was in the gym working out and somebody called

488
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: my brother, like, hey, your brother. You know. Monnie Buckley

489
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: called my brother and was like, yeah, buck called. He

490
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: was like, hey, your brother just got traded to the Kings.

491
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: So he told me. I was like, nah, I would

492
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: have and I would have heard something from my agent.

493
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: And then I went to my car and got the phone.

494
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: You know, you get traded, J Line, you gotta. I

495
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: got a Vancouver number and the Sacramento numbers. I was like, oh, yeah,

496
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: something happened, and that it was. It was it after

497
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: that and the reason why I wanted to go there.

498
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: I love the way they played. But we were in

499
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: the Grizzlies, no one really came to our games, you know,

500
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: when the bad teams come in, no one's really there.

501
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: So I remember going to Sacramento last game of the

502
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: season and it was packed and I'm like, damn, there's

503
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 3: a lot of people here to just see us, like

504
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: I know we I know our team. I mean, we

505
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: ain't winning, but they're here to see. I want to

506
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: I want to play in front of fans like that,

507
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: to where no matter what was, it's rocking, the games going,

508
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: everybody's feeling that, the team's feel in the crowd and.

509
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: Noisy as hell in there before.

510
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: That's what made it worse. It was so small and

511
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 3: arena was so small. That's why.

512
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: Before a lot of made about like Toronto and Vince,

513
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, being up there and and uh in Canada.

514
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: Do you think having played up there in the in

515
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: the in the other country, do you think Vince is

516
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: like the only reason why the Raptors survived and the

517
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: Grizzlies had to move you know what I mean? I

518
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: Vince moves early. Does the do the Raptors end up

519
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, moving or relocating somewhere?

520
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: I think so but what happened with him getting drafted there.

521
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 3: Everybody's putting different situations. You never know how the how

522
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: it's gonna affect the team or affect the player. I mean,

523
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: you could be a number one two pick and go

524
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: to a bad team and it just be all bad,

525
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He went to he went to Toronto.

526
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: He was exciting, they were winning, and so I mean,

527
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: I think it's just the excitement of that just kept

528
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: it there. And you know, being in Vancouver losing so much,

529
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: they just get They probably just got tired of it.

530
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: I mean I remember people talking ship to me on

531
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 3: the on the on the street, just walking around you guys,

532
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 3: you know, oh yeah, they were like, you guys suck.

533
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: Who was I mean, there was like almost a lot

534
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: of fights with us out there, just just respecting your

535
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: name and being a man, you know what I mean. So,

536
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, like you said, July, I think

537
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: it probably went his win as well, if Vince didn't

538
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: come in there and change everything for them. But I

539
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: mean he did exactly what.

540
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: He was supposed to do, what he was doing as

541
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: soon as he got.

542
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: He went there. Yeah, and then the team Matt came

543
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: after it was just exciting. They were exciting in former

544
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: and super superstars, you know what I mean. So I

545
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: don't think I don't think it would have lied. I

546
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: think it probably would have fizzled like Vancouver probably did

547
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: if Vince maybe left early. I do think that.

548
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: Going to two thousand and three round two against the Mavericks,

549
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: how devastating was that web acl injury. And do you

550
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: think that that two thousand and three team could have

551
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: been better in the two thousand and two team.

552
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know if we could have been better.

553
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: I think we might've been on the same level. But

554
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: I remember in that I remember that game. It was

555
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: a close game, and Web comes over to me is like,

556
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, like he likes to spin out, and it's

557
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: a close game. So he's like, Mike, when I spin out,

558
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: throw it up. So I looked at the clock and

559
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it's like it's a tight game right now.

560
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to I don't want to

561
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: turn the ball over. He said, if I don't dunk it,

562
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go grab it. I said, shit, all right,

563
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 3: and so boom, I threw it up. And as soon

564
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: as I threw it up, and he went to go

565
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: grab it and he came down. I was like, damn,

566
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: you know you never you just like it went there

567
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: was that quick, and I knew it wasn't the right

568
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: thing to do at that time. But you got Chris

569
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: Webber telling you throw the ball up. You got to

570
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: throw it up. Fact so something. But that that's a

571
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: conversation we had. Man. I just think after that, it

572
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: kind of, uh, it kind of heard our hopes of

573
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: going back with our superstar Alpha Dog out the game.

574
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: You still took him to seven.

575
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean we could have pushed We could

576
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: have pushed that even because the next year.

577
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: And the next year I think we played Minnesota.

578
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we lost, and and he was it wasn't the same.

579
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: That wasn't That.

580
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Was a crazy series, that Minnesota series, the Peeler Garnett Fight.

581
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 2: What's your What's your pr V? From the from the

582
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: A P Swinging on KG thing, because for some reason

583
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: it's starting to circulate on social media too.

584
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: A P was I mean, A P was cool with him.

585
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't even know how it came

586
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: down to super cool with him.

587
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: I didn't they play together later ended up playing together.

588
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they played together before and then when AP

589
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: came up and he was like, AP was laughing about it.

590
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: He's like, and that's my boy, you know what I mean.

591
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: So I'm like that you like chapter ship out your

592
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: boy like that. But I mean it was like AP

593
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: was just letting them know, like said, we're here, We're

594
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: not scared of nothing.

595
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: And because he was trying to he was trying to

596
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: debo b Rad. We was with We was you know,

597
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: we was just with b Rad out of out of Indianapolis.

598
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: He came and did the show. We hung out with

599
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: him afterwards school and I was trying to I was

600
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: trying to plain to Dylan. I was like, man, you

601
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: got to understand, b Rad had the best white boy

602
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: past probably in the history of the NBA. He was

603
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: down with the brothers while not trying to be a brother,

604
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: he still could listen to his music. He did what

605
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: we did. You know, he probatlytook a little bit here

606
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: be in the club with you. But he wasn't trying

607
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: to be black. He didn't start getting braids or like

608
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: trying to act like US count country super country. So

609
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: when like, so I played with Shaq, Remember he's trying

610
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: to swing on b Rad in Chicago. Yeah, when he

611
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: came back to the bench, I was like, you know

612
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: what I mean, I'm like, nah, I was he was

613
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: gonna swing on be mad. He was like, I pulled it, Lonnie,

614
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: I pulled it. I was like, yeah, we ain't doing that.

615
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: That's not the one like do that with a couple

616
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: of the other white boys, you know what I mean,

617
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: there's another white boys you can pick on and do

618
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: the thing, you know what I mean? But b Rad,

619
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: it's basically one of us.

620
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brand don't mean no harm or nothing. Man, he

621
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: out there and it just didn't what to do. And

622
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: I mean I mean he he was a I mean he.

623
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets the credit he deserves for

624
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: his passing ability too, because he was passing. He was

625
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: passing the ship of that thing too. But Brad just

626
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: made it look awkward. But Brad just made it kind

627
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: of look like kind of like the white man can't

628
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: jump like little like goofy. But but he but he

629
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: he was. He was a great passing.

630
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: That's that's something following Vadi's footsteps too, that's a that's

631
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: big ass shoes to try and fail.

632
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bloody was one of the best teammates. I had

633
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: man just all the way around as far as like,

634
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: no matter what kind of game he had, he was

635
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: gonna be the same person. He's gonna make jokes, he's

636
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna talk ship, he's gonna be leading the card game

637
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: on the plane. You know. I've been with a few

638
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: teams like if guys don't score their points, they're gonna

639
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: be sitting on the back of the plane and not

640
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: be talking to nobody. So I've been on I've been

641
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: on both sides of that, and just you know, just

642
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: seeing that, I learned a lot of stuff going Sacramento, Bro,

643
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: like the accountability of a player, like it started with Web. Web.

644
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: Web is like one of the very few superstars that

645
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: would say my fault, I fucked up. I'm I'm gonna

646
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: make sure next time it's not it's not gonna be

647
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: like that. And I respected that, and that's what made

648
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: me look up to him because I used to look

649
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: at it. I used to watch him when he's at Michigan,

650
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: and so just to just to be on the same

651
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: court with the Icon, it was just a dream dream

652
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: come true for me.

653
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Did Sam Cassell get you in the post?

654
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Oh Man, that's it? Yeah, you can't block that ship

655
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: no matter what you do. You think he's there and you,

656
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna get He's gonna get it off

657
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: every time.

658
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Telling you where you're going to he telling you where

659
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: you don't worry about right over here? Yeah, yeah, you're

660
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: not saying, don't worry about the big funny. You ain't

661
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: got to come out here'mn just go right.

662
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Over here, fade away every time, and you can't block

663
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: nothing you could do about it. That's why they had

664
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: They had Doug guarding him, and I had to guard uh,

665
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: I forget, yeah, out of the guard hassle. But I

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: mean because I couldn't go, I couldn't guard Sam down there.

667
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't giving no defenses doc to Sam.

668
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: So when he when he when he hit the big

669
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: balls celebration, that wasn't on you.

670
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I mean I probably got

671
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: switched off on him a few times. But if I

672
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: was on him, I wasn't supposed to be maybet transition

673
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: defense or what. But I mean, like he Sam said,

674
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: it was tough man. It's like he ain't gonna give

675
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: you nothing speedy, but he gonna get it. You will

676
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: not block his shot.

677
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: He going to guarantee the spot. He gonna pick that spot. Yeah,

678
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna try like him to get him over there.

679
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: You're gonna tell your big the whole thing is like

680
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: he going over there, bro, he to do exactly what

681
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: he said he was gonna do, and.

682
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: You know, and he don't. You know, he's gonna do

683
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: a turn around. And there's nothing you could do if

684
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: you're his, if you're his same height or sort, there

685
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: ain't nothing you can do.

686
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: About him because he's all the way up here.

687
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and he's and he's falling back too,

688
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: So I mean it's like it's just frustrating man with

689
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: the gut when you know it's coming, you can't stop it.

690
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: What is your generation of point guards represent because we

691
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: mentioned a few of them. You had to go through

692
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: a gauntlet in those early two thousands talking about uh

693
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: Nash Stockton, uh Nick Van was there kind of an

694
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: off guard? Jkn Marbury?

695
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: What is that?

696
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: What is that generation of point guards kind of represent

697
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: do you think in you know the history of point guards.

698
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just a lot of guys that they

699
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: were I think everybody was tough when we were playing.

700
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: There was no guys. I mean there was there were

701
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: some guys that couldn't shoot that kind of made it

702
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 3: easier for me to guard. But the ones that could shoot,

703
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: like Marlburry Van next to those guys are putting our

704
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: getting up a lot of attempts too, you know what

705
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: I mean. So I think just I think they deserve

706
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: to be respected and just the category point guards just

707
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: like they don't. I think they can get to respect

708
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: that I think they deserved. It's just that era because

709
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: everybody you had, you had a tough game every night,

710
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: and no matter what Tony Parker, Baron Davis Van, that's

711
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: I mean, every night you're gonna have somebody that's gonna

712
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: that's gonna try to you know what, I'm going out,

713
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to. I'm gonna try to win this

714
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: battle tonight. And you got to battle every night.

715
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: You know what that Your generation represents to me. Creativity

716
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: and the point guard position a little bit more balanced,

717
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: a couple of the new, the hands up and the

718
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: heasy you know bad come in with the off schedule,

719
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, There wasn't, but it was

720
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: used to reads, you know what I mean, come off,

721
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: pick and roll shoot that generation, you know what I mean,

722
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: introduced a little bit more of the ship if excuse

723
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: my turn. You know, has hesitation ahead.

724
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: And we didn't. He want the best like one. You know,

725
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: I think he gets the respect that he deserves too,

726
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: because like coming out of coming like we were, it

727
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: was Jay Kidd and you know, Gary Payton, but it

728
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: wasn't that many point guards coming out the West at

729
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: that time. You know, even like even like when I

730
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: was a sophomore, he's a freshman coming in. He wasn't

731
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: scared of me. I could see it in space like

732
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: he wanted like he wanted to try to prove himself.

733
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: And I and I and I love that like he like,

734
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: I mean, he'll go out there dunk on y'all. Played

735
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: with him in New York and it was kind of

736
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: different because we were both kind of on our last leg.

737
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: It was different, but just to see just to be

738
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: with him and kind of spend that time with the

739
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: with a younger West Coast kid, it was a good

740
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: time for me. Man. Like I said, I respect he

741
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: did his game. You don't think he gets respect that

742
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: he definitely.

743
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: Deserves us mm hmmm.

744
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Did you know that Gerald Wallace was going to be

745
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: like that. He had some crazy dunks in Sacramento.

746
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Was he just like super raw?

747
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? He was raw. I mean he was just that

748
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: he couldn't find time because we were we Yes, I

749
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: mean but we we the second group used to beat

750
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: us all the time practice.

751
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: Ye, I'll be telling. I told him in the last

752
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: couple of years, I was like, well, you know with

753
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: Nova and the fans don't know is the games and

754
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: the games that you want to see is the second

755
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: team against the first team in practice because that second

756
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: team everybody want I will need a couple more minutes,

757
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Them games was the best

758
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: part of the league to make them ships was competitive him.

759
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, they used to. They used to be this

760
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: man our our second five probably could have win and

761
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: started anywhere else. I think after we started trading something

762
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: the way I think they did go start somewhere Like

763
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: Jered Wallace, Jered Wats wasn't getting any time in Sacramento.

764
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: He goes and he's a superstar. He's the star of

765
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: the Bobcats, you know what I mean. So it just

766
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: showed like Jero Wallace was raw. He was young. I

767
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: think it was like eight ten nineteen at the time.

768
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, he's from the country. He

769
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: was just trying to say, happy to be.

770
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: It was just like smaller, just a start.

771
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a good start for him just to

772
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: see the ins and outs and how basketball say, because

773
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: he went there and he was the man over there

774
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: in Charlotte.

775
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: So is your Kings team you think the best team

776
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: to never win a championship?

777
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: Of course, I think. I mean, I mean that hurt.

778
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: That hurt me too, because that was my That was

779
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: a championship. I think I think we might have even

780
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: got another one after that, because I mean we were

781
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: we ran through We I think we were beating the

782
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: nets by fifty something at their place that same year

783
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. So I mean, I think, like I said,

784
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: I think I know for a fact, we were the

785
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: best team in the league that year for sure.

786
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: Would dragon New Jersey. We swept New Jersey. Shaby was

787
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: really out there. I was, I was on the team.

788
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: But we did what we did, drag New Jersey in

789
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: a full sweep. You know, they got the picture of

790
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: on the whole team, you know what I mean.

791
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: He was.

792
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: Shack is a fucking monster man. I never seen like

793
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: he's the most dominant player i've seen, like in real time.

794
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: Like our thing when we played y'all Jelani. Our thing was,

795
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: you know, that was gonna do his best against Kobe,

796
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: and we you know, helped out make him see a

797
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: few people. But our thing was with Shack. Make sure Shacks,

798
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: he's three people at all times he gets the ball,

799
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: three people got to be if he puts the ball

800
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: down and you couldn't stop it. It was like playing

801
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: on like like if you play on a little hoop

802
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: with your friends and just going back and down power

803
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: dump every time.

804
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: Remember his little beef with in the media. If you're going,

805
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: if you're going, if you go on uh YouTube, you'll

806
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: see a video because there was beefing back and forth

807
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: in the in the in the in the paper, I

808
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: guess said, I said a couple of slick things. And

809
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: if you go on YouTube, you'll see me on the

810
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: back of the bus and Shack singing that song.

811
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: I remember your mind, Yeah that I see that, that's it,

812
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's just I guess that's where Shacky is.

813
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: Like even when uh, I forget he might have been

814
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: in Cleveland or somewhere he was and I was on

815
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: the Hags and he was like, Mike, let's let's start

816
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: that beef up again. If I we, I said, I said, Shackle,

817
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: I don't think we have enough what y'all got right now.

818
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: You know, this is only me and Joe Johnson had

819
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: been in the playoffs, you know what I mean. So

820
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: it was kind of hard for them young guys. But

821
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: I mean eventually the young guys got together, but it

822
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: was it's just a fun time, man, it's entertainment. Guys

823
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: looking for the half man.

824
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. But no, this might break

825
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: your heart. You might not want to hear it. I'm

826
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: gonna tell you. Any I walked after that game, after

827
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Rob hit that shot, Oh man, I didn't go on

828
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: the bus. My homeboy Moose Ryan Bailey shot out my

829
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: tubby Beatty's little brother. He was staying in Sacramento because

830
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: he was working for the governor. So I walked through

831
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: the parking lots. When I tell you, it was the

832
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: walking dead in that parking people was crying, deflated. People

833
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: were staring up in the scale like what did we

834
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: just watched? You know what I mean?

835
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: I thought, I mean, like going home to play like that,

836
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: I thought it was like, there's no way because they

837
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: like that we're going back home and and it's gonna

838
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: have to be real, real bad for us to lose

839
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: this game. And it was real, real bad. But I mean,

840
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, I mean, it just hurts because

841
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: I listened. So the funny thing is, I'm gonna tell

842
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: you this story. I guy on our team, Chucky Brown.

843
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: It's my third it's my fourth season. I'm in l

844
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: a talking cash ship. I'm on the you know, with

845
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: the Blues, I'm on the Red Carpets, I'm on I'm

846
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: going to movie radio.

847
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

848
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: And so I'm in l a talking cash ship. Everywhere

849
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: it's over nothing they could do. Chalk it up. So

850
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: we're coming back from like one of those advents, and

851
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: Chucky Brown is like, Mike, watch, they're gonna have a

852
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: crew in there tomorrow to make sure things go a

853
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: certain way. I was like, what I said, He's like, yeah,

854
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: they're gonna a certain crew in there, gonna make it

855
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: go a certain way. I said, I said, Chucky the

856
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 3: hell hearing that? Hey, nothing nothing they can do to stop.

857
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: Didn't you hear what?

858
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: I know? Yeah?

859
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you was frying, Yeah.

860
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and Chucky, and Chucky said they're gonna bring

861
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: in a certain crew, a referee and crew to do

862
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: this next game. And I was like, man, come on,

863
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: he said. Watch soon as they got to the game,

864
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: bro with the same people, he said, m And he

865
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: just looked back and he was just like I told you.

866
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: I was like, but I mean we were they were

867
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: getting our champagne ready because the ball boy told me, like,

868
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: we had to pack up all the champagne because all

869
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: the champagne was out. And then everybody's mind yeah, game six,

870
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: and everybody's mindset was like, well, ship, let's just go

871
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 3: get it at home then. And then this, like I said,

872
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: we laid it in. Man, it's unfortunate that it happened.

873
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: But I mean, you guys beat the I mean, I'm

874
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: gonna beat the ship out. The game saved, but you

875
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: guys still care of business came in. Game seven was

876
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: still the overtime and all that. And it's upset for me, man,

877
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: because that was.

878
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: A big moment that I was the championship.

879
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: Have got there, Yeah, for sure, that was the champion.

880
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: That's what they want, That's what everybody wanted.

881
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: To afterwards, they didn't they wasn't worried about Jay Kid

882
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: and Carrie Kettles and none of noting none of that.

883
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: They was like, we done got through the worst part,

884
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: you know. Phil. Phil then chopped up the videos and

885
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: gassed everybody up, said was showed the ship, Mike the

886
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: ship Mike Bibby was talking put the glad. Oh what

887
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: did he put?

888
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: He?

889
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Which is the what? Which one did he make? Dylan?

890
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: He made somebody? Uh oh, this was this was before

891
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: bib That was why chocolate did he did the American?

892
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made Williams ed Norton and they made had

893
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: him And I think.

894
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: So so you had I can't remember. I can't. I'm

895
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: gonna ask dead you had in the in the world

896
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: you have? So when he when the Head of the Snake,

897
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: he would make he would make a movie. It would

898
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: be a content. So we will watch film, right and

899
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: then it was it would the screen would go black

900
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: and then it would go to a movie and it

901
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: would correlate with the Head of the Snake. Was he

902
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: has somebody for you. I forgot what it was. But

903
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: that's how that's how he made his pay attention. Because

904
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: like Devin, Devin came. He was like a shackle fall asleep.

905
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: In the first five minutes. Kobe was in there mad

906
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 2: because he's already seen this, right, he's already watched film.

907
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: He already been watching film, like now, yeah, we gotta

908
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: do I gotta do this again. But he used to

909
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: make these splices. I can't maybe I remember before we

910
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: get off, but you had a splice you had like

911
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: a movie part where he was trying to you know,

912
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: because that was this thing. We got to stop there,

913
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: he said. He used to tell de Fish Derek, he

914
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: has just say some little jack. If we could just

915
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: get slow him down, you know what I mean, YadA YadA,

916
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, I think we would be good if he couldn't.

917
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: And like, like I said, I mean, history is history.

918
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Like at the end end of the day, like that

919
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: was prime bier to me. That's prime bib. You was frying.

920
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: There was nothing they could be done. You got paid

921
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: that summer, right, I think.

922
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a seven year contract. You look

923
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: back now, you wish you couldn't it short, just to

924
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: re up a different time. But I mean, like just

925
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: to be a part of that that that's probably one

926
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: of the best series in NBA history. That happened right there.

927
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: Just for me to be a part of it with

928
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: two I think I get Shack and Kobe top five,

929
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: both top five of all time. Just to be on

930
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: the court with them and share that experience with them

931
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: means everything to me.

932
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: Man. And you got that.

933
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: You got the n c A double A championship that

934
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: helped Now a lot of people don't have.

935
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: I would rather have an NBA championship than.

936
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: That that That n c double A championship doesn't mean

937
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: nothing to you.

938
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: It means something I would rather sure, yeah, yeah, that's

939
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: the best in the world. But like when we went

940
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: a championship, it was we weren't even supposed to win

941
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 3: it at a time I know, we were.

942
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: Like years yeah, yeah, y'all made.

943
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 3: We were we were we were under five I think

944
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: we're at five hundred. We were just and we we

945
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: watched I remember us watching the Select Show and we

946
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: were sitting there like, damn, I hope we make it.

947
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: But we our conference was so good that they we

948
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: got to for Seed. I don't know how we got

949
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: to foresee out of that, but but we got to

950
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: for Seed, and it was it was just I mean,

951
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: we hit we got high at the right time. Man,

952
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: no one expected us to even get through anybody, you know.

953
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, it's gonna be this game, it's

954
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: gonna be problems. They're gonna there's gonna be Kansas and

955
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: then all the way down the line. Man.

956
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: Shortly after that, when does when do you become like

957
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: the team dime Jordan's brand ambassador and start pulling out

958
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: the lows and everything? Is it after that series? And

959
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: when you got your bag or you know, it was

960
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: it was?

961
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: It was it was before. It wasn't. It wasn't when

962
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: I was in Vancouver, it was. It was kind of

963
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: it was kind of after that because I told him

964
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: because I like to wear low tops, I wore a

965
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: lot of low tops the whole time. And they sent

966
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: me I remember them sending me a picture because you

967
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: used to send us like pictures of the shoe. This

968
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: is what we're going to have you all in this year.

969
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: And I remember it being like the fives and the

970
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: nines and stuff like that. And I just remember talking

971
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 3: telling the guys like, hey, could you guys chop these

972
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: and make them low top? And they were like yeah, yeah,

973
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: I said make them low cop there for me and

974
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: and and that's when you know, I mean, da we

975
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 3: always wore low tops, Derek Anderson, and it was kind

976
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, we got the nines, we got the fives,

977
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: we got the twos. I mean they chopped everything for us,

978
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: and it was just like just to be a part

979
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: of the Jordan brand and be like that. I still

980
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: get stuff to this day. They still take care of me.

981
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: It's been twenty plus years, you know, do events for them.

982
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's great to be a part of.

983
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: But Nike brand.

984
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: Have you ever I played nothing but.

985
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Jordan but Arizona, that is. I never Arizona to be

986
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: nothing but Nike.

987
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had Nike, but I wore I remember I

988
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: wore the thirteens a few games my sophomore year. I

989
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: wore the red and white, and I wore the blue

990
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: like the blue pennies in the championship. Yeah, there was

991
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: a story about that too with my freshman year. So,

992
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: you know, back then, Julyanni, everybody like if your uniforms

993
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: were a certain color, your shoes were a certain color.

994
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: So if you had a little bit of red navy,

995
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: your shoes a little bit of red navy. So the

996
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: Nike guy comes and he's like, he sits us down.

997
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: He's like, I got a shoe for you guys. It's

998
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: not out yet, you know, so it's not your guy's

999
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 3: cup team color and it's not out yet. So I said,

1000
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: I was. I was like, I'm wearing them. I don't

1001
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: care what they are, if they're if they're not out yet,

1002
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: I'm wearing them. And so he gave everybody a pear

1003
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: to wear. You know, some people stayed with the same

1004
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: shoe they had. I was gonna wear it, whether there

1005
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: were boots or not. I was gonna put them on.

1006
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 3: And so I ended up wearing them. And this people

1007
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: went crazy, Yeah for for for wearing those before Penny.

1008
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: Penny was pissed. The guy I remember telling us like, Penny,

1009
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: don't even want to wear those? No, we weren't before,

1010
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: and he was. He was pissed. And so I mean,

1011
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: that's like a good story to say. But those shoes,

1012
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: I put those on there. I don't understand how I

1013
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: even played.

1014
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are Timberland's modified Yeah for real, for sure?

1015
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: Why did Why don't they do the pes for the

1016
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: current Jordan brand athletes anymore?

1017
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: On court?

1018
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: Like the fives and the old school models like I

1019
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: always thought that was so dope making, like the Bibie

1020
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: fives or uh, you know, the the Bibi twelve lows.

1021
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: Why don't they give the current Jordan guys the old

1022
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: pe models.

1023
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: Because those shoes sell on its own. They need to

1024
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: sell their other.

1025
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 2: Stuff, the inventory.

1026
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: Any retro, any retro you put out, it's gonna be sold.

1027
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: They want to try to get these other shoes sold

1028
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: that need to be seen, you know what I mean.

1029
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: So they put it. They put guys in different types

1030
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: of shoes just so they could sell all their shoes.

1031
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: You know, Michael Jordan don't need help selling shoes his

1032
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: retros they need.

1033
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: They need to get you a shoe guy. But I've

1034
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: always wondered this, what if they took the old Jordan

1035
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: stuff and they put the new ship in it? Like

1036
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: what if like they took the forest or whatever, they

1037
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: put the zoom footbed in the bottom of it as

1038
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: opposed You think that you think that that would elevate

1039
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: the shoot, if that's a good balance between new and well,

1040
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: or you think the aesthetic just needs to remain as

1041
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: the forest should come out of here.

1042
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think how they I think you don't want

1043
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: to change because like you said, that's iconic too. All

1044
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: all the Jordan retros are iconic, you could, like, I

1045
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: like when they come out of different colors because it's

1046
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: just a different look. But I mean I had all

1047
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: the color like the basic colors that MJ had, but

1048
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: I like, I get excited when they come to new colors,

1049
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: like when a four is in a different color or

1050
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: nines in a different color. But like you said, like

1051
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 3: they don't put them in. They don't put them in

1052
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: the stuff that's already going to sell, like I mean,

1053
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 3: they probably would make some for them, but they want

1054
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: you to wear other stuff on the court where it's like,

1055
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: what is Bradley Beal playing it? What is uh you

1056
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: know what these guys playing? And so these kids could

1057
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: go out there and buy those shoes too, because everybody's

1058
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: always gonna buy the retros. Everybody.

1059
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: Good point mhm, shit, all right, bib man. We appreciate

1060
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: your time, thank you. Nope, uh, we'll look out for

1061
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: things for you. You can catch you on the Kings

1062
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: broadcast man and uh yes, sir, well come here anytime.

1063
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

1064
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank God, thanks for having me. Appreciate your an.

1065
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: Please appreciate it and thank you