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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, what's up? It feels good to be

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Speaker 2: and now we're gonna talk some football, which is always

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Speaker 2: know there's gonna be a lot of draft questions as always,

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little Patriots bills here in

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Speaker 2: Alex is also here. Hi, I am here, yep. In

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit of Bill's Patriots here,

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Speaker 2: and uh, my reaction after this game was met with

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Speaker 2: much better Buffalo Bill's team. And there are certainly nippicks

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Speaker 2: thrown off. There's certainly nitpicks of their performance on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure we will get to. We were actually

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Speaker 2: texting about this when I was traveling back and I

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Speaker 2: executed the game plan flawlessly in the passing game. There

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Speaker 2: Like that's a game that you will absolutely take against

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is remember the uh is the

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Speaker 4: just focused on different things. I agree with you hundred

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Speaker 2: The game plan side.

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Speaker 4: I thought they came in with a good plan offensively

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Speaker 4: The team came in ready to go, which coming off

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Speaker 4: still needs work. Some of the punt non punt decisions.

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Speaker 4: the game plan stuff, and I'm not discounting any of that.

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Speaker 4: I just think that it's weird because I thought the

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Speaker 4: kind of both sides of the street for them. The

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair take.

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Speaker 4: I just you just don't care about the game management stuff,

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Speaker 2: I don't because I don't see you for this team

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Speaker 4: Not about right now. Again, it's about that projection. At

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Speaker 4: a certain point, they're gonna have to get better at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can develop that skill.

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Speaker 4: I just it's the most important. You've seen them develop

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Speaker 2: No, but the most important thing to me right now

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Speaker 4: I think the most important thing is winning on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you can't just say you do it.

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Speaker 4: I hate, Well, we had a good week of practice

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Speaker 4: and we lost so well, Like, no, there is ways

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I just I think

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Speaker 2: you want to sit here and nitpick that they punted,

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Speaker 2: that that's you know, it was not an aggressive decision, right,

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Speaker 2: so that on the scoreboard, they weren't getting blown out

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Speaker 2: again what I come back to with this coaching staff

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Speaker 2: win this game. We absolutely need to check these four

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Speaker 2: Whether it's a four man rush, mush rush, or it's

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Speaker 2: And they went out there and they did that offensively.

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Speaker 2: design quarterback runs for Drake may So. Yeah, like, do

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Speaker 2: you want to you know, the punt, Like you didn't

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Speaker 2: like the punt? Okay, like what else?

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Speaker 4: I would have challenged.

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Speaker 4: Down, not on the fake punt, drive the drive before

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Speaker 4: And it's the second week in row something like that's happened.

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Speaker 4: When you call time out, you sort of lose some

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Speaker 2: Be doing that.

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Speaker 4: It was almost Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: Esku so I you just had to take a shot

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Speaker 4: I mean, had that game in Buffalo, that playoff game,

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Speaker 4: play calls on time. Like this is basic operational stuff

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Speaker 4: that Do they win the game? I don't know, but

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Speaker 4: it will help them be competitive and it cuts down

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Speaker 2: That margin forrer. I like, I don't know, do they

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Speaker 2: win the game? Maybe maybe not? Certainly the one after

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Speaker 2: the fake punt you get the defense really back on

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Speaker 4: Instead they punt again three plays later, so the fake

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Speaker 2: Okay, I hear what you're saying. I agree with a

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Speaker 4: Okay, but why can't why can't they work on the

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Speaker 4: all right, we're good where we are during the week, Now,

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Speaker 4: let's figure out this game day stuff. That's not how

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think that that stuff that you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: If we had to like split up winning into like

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Speaker 4: Bits more than that, especially once you go up against

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Speaker 4: matter a lot more than that. We saw that here.

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Speaker 4: For years there were good teams that the Patriots would play.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots were beating teams before the team even got

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Speaker 4: Because they were more tightened up, and other teams would

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's stuff. I'm not gonna let you say

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Speaker 4: that stuff doesn't decide football games. It absolutely does.

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Speaker 2: It decides a lot of one score games. I agree

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it matters as much as you do.

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Speaker 4: I'm not Shanahan and all the Super Bowl rings how

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Speaker 2: Oh, come on, man, he's been like two bounces from

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Speaker 2: Garoppolo throw. So it's it's his problem, his fault that

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Speaker 4: You know what, Jimmy Garoppolo is dress It matters. It

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking them to wait to get better at it.

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Speaker 2: I just think that it's more important, especially coming off

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Speaker 2: thought their entire approach was off. No, I mean even

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Speaker 2: much better. Even John Medison on Tuesday that their effort

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Speaker 4: No, And I'm giving them credit. They were much better

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Speaker 4: To me, is as much a part you can come

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Speaker 4: in with a great plan. If you can't get play

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Speaker 4: timeouts you don't need to burn, and letting the clock

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Speaker 4: even with a good plan, you're still going to have

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're not going to agree to this

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Speaker 2: It's cool to do it once, and we're saying do

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Speaker 2: some of those in game things go their way, or

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Speaker 2: we're starting to stack here a little bit. Now. With

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Speaker 2: that being said, Week eighteen against the Bills, I'm throwing

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if we see Mitch Trubisky in

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Speaker 4: I'm not throwing that out because of what you just said.

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Speaker 4: Like you date, if they're not competitive against the Bill's team,

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Speaker 4: that's half assing it. That's a really bad sign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I just I guess I

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Speaker 4: I think for no I again, the game management stuff,

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Speaker 2: Like, so you don't care that if they win a

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Speaker 2: think winning one game against mister Bisky is more important? Yep.

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Speaker 4: I think for the you don't want losing to become

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Speaker 2: Well, there's but I don't know what all the tie

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have the tie breakers because their strength schedules

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a bunch of four win teams in three

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Speaker 2: I also on this draft especially, I think that's bad.

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Speaker 4: I'm a proponent of them trading down so you don't

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Speaker 4: same player. I don't know, I'd like to see them.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna tank.

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Speaker 4: Right, And I just think that operational stuff, and I

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Speaker 4: ending the season on a high note is important. Yeah,

437
00:20:15,058 --> 00:20:16,978
Speaker 4: Jet winning one game was not gonna help the Jets.

438
00:20:16,978 --> 00:20:18,738
Speaker 4: The Jets are so far beyond one game.

439
00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:22,578
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's one. They gotta stack it together against

440
00:20:22,618 --> 00:20:26,778
Speaker 2: the Chargers. The second thing is we're we're still seeing

441
00:20:26,818 --> 00:20:28,378
Speaker 2: a lot of the same mistakes. And I know you

442
00:20:28,458 --> 00:20:31,018
Speaker 2: kind of already broke down the coaching at and that

443
00:20:31,818 --> 00:20:35,458
Speaker 2: this isn't necessarily not coaching, it's just in terms of

444
00:20:35,458 --> 00:20:38,498
Speaker 2: the execution. The run defense is still a major problem

445
00:20:38,498 --> 00:20:41,098
Speaker 2: with this team at this point, they're probably not going

446
00:20:41,178 --> 00:20:43,858
Speaker 2: to fix the run defense until next year and hopefully

447
00:20:43,938 --> 00:20:47,498
Speaker 2: you get a Christian Barmore, Juwan Bentley. You know, maybe

448
00:20:47,538 --> 00:20:49,658
Speaker 2: you draft a few guys to sign a few guys

449
00:20:49,698 --> 00:20:53,458
Speaker 2: on defense that are stouter against the run. Their run

450
00:20:53,538 --> 00:20:57,098
Speaker 2: defense is, in my mind, other than the offensive line,

451
00:20:57,178 --> 00:20:59,978
Speaker 2: the worst part of the team. And in terms of

452
00:21:00,018 --> 00:21:05,218
Speaker 2: like the offensive line, they're so talent depleted on the

453
00:21:05,258 --> 00:21:08,298
Speaker 2: offensive line that I almost feel more disappointed in the

454
00:21:08,378 --> 00:21:10,938
Speaker 2: run defense than I do in the line play because

455
00:21:11,098 --> 00:21:15,658
Speaker 2: you're not expecting much out of your starting tackles being

456
00:21:15,658 --> 00:21:18,058
Speaker 2: Trey Jacobs and Vederian low right, Like, you're just not

457
00:21:18,458 --> 00:21:21,738
Speaker 2: expecting that group to be great defensively. I still think

458
00:21:21,778 --> 00:21:25,298
Speaker 2: they have enough good players on defense to not be

459
00:21:25,938 --> 00:21:29,417
Speaker 2: a horrible run defense, and at times they are a

460
00:21:29,498 --> 00:21:32,978
Speaker 2: horrible run defense. And it's the big plays, it's the

461
00:21:32,978 --> 00:21:35,538
Speaker 2: forty six yard touchdown by James Cook, but it's also

462
00:21:35,578 --> 00:21:39,218
Speaker 2: these little runs where you know, this game, they missed

463
00:21:39,218 --> 00:21:42,218
Speaker 2: eight tackles against the run. Four of them I counted

464
00:21:42,258 --> 00:21:45,298
Speaker 2: could have been TFLs, and they're just they're missing these

465
00:21:45,338 --> 00:21:47,938
Speaker 2: tackles and not only could they have been TFLs, but

466
00:21:47,978 --> 00:21:50,458
Speaker 2: then they don't rally to the football, so like the

467
00:21:50,538 --> 00:21:53,618
Speaker 2: ball carrier ends up squeaking out for four or five yards.

468
00:21:53,858 --> 00:21:56,378
Speaker 2: It's not even just that they missed the play behind

469
00:21:56,418 --> 00:21:58,778
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. They then don't make the play

470
00:21:58,978 --> 00:22:01,058
Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage either, like you see other

471
00:22:01,098 --> 00:22:03,978
Speaker 2: teams when they play the run. It's okay, we whiffed

472
00:22:03,978 --> 00:22:06,298
Speaker 2: on a TfL, but then we have three hats that

473
00:22:06,338 --> 00:22:08,538
Speaker 2: are just like flying to the ball. So no, we

474
00:22:08,578 --> 00:22:10,538
Speaker 2: didn't get the two yard loss, but we got a

475
00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:13,778
Speaker 2: no gain out of this play because somebody contacted the

476
00:22:13,778 --> 00:22:16,418
Speaker 2: ball behind the line of scrimmage and slowed the ball down.

477
00:22:16,978 --> 00:22:19,098
Speaker 2: With the Patriots, they can slow the ball down behind

478
00:22:19,098 --> 00:22:21,458
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and then the guy still gains

479
00:22:21,498 --> 00:22:24,458
Speaker 2: five yards, and those body blows just add up over

480
00:22:24,498 --> 00:22:27,058
Speaker 2: the course of time. That to me has been the

481
00:22:27,058 --> 00:22:30,538
Speaker 2: most disappointing part about their run defense. Maybe the physical

482
00:22:30,738 --> 00:22:32,578
Speaker 2: at the point of attack and that type of stuff

483
00:22:32,618 --> 00:22:35,978
Speaker 2: is personnel, uh, But in terms of like their just

484
00:22:36,138 --> 00:22:39,258
Speaker 2: effort and the fact that they just don't rally or

485
00:22:39,298 --> 00:22:43,498
Speaker 2: bring hats to the football consistently, uh to to bottle

486
00:22:43,578 --> 00:22:46,498
Speaker 2: up runners, yea, it's a lot of one on one

487
00:22:47,138 --> 00:22:49,578
Speaker 2: in space, Like if that guy doesn't make the tackle,

488
00:22:49,658 --> 00:22:52,058
Speaker 2: then nobody might make the tackle any sort of thing.

489
00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:55,178
Speaker 2: Uh that It's been probably the most frustrating part of

490
00:22:55,218 --> 00:22:57,298
Speaker 2: the team for me personally to watch on film every

491
00:22:57,378 --> 00:23:02,298
Speaker 2: Monday is their fits, their their their inability to play blocks,

492
00:23:02,578 --> 00:23:06,138
Speaker 2: their angles, and like their ability to leverage or you know,

493
00:23:06,458 --> 00:23:09,218
Speaker 2: push runners back into the teeth of the defense, to

494
00:23:09,298 --> 00:23:12,938
Speaker 2: the numbers of the defense. They just do not play fundamentally, just.

495
00:23:12,858 --> 00:23:15,218
Speaker 4: The tackling, just the number of times that even when

496
00:23:15,258 --> 00:23:16,697
Speaker 4: they are in the right place at the right time,

497
00:23:16,778 --> 00:23:18,818
Speaker 4: they can't bring the guy down. A lot of run

498
00:23:19,618 --> 00:23:21,498
Speaker 4: You probably hate this. I don't know how you feel

499
00:23:21,498 --> 00:23:23,618
Speaker 4: about this cliche. I do believe in it to an extent.

500
00:23:23,698 --> 00:23:27,578
Speaker 4: A lot of run defenses just want to It's just effort. No,

501
00:23:27,858 --> 00:23:31,538
Speaker 4: it would just being bigger, meaner, stronger than the guy

502
00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:34,658
Speaker 4: opposite you who wants it more. And when you can't

503
00:23:34,698 --> 00:23:36,938
Speaker 4: stop the run, it kind of reflects that way. Also,

504
00:23:36,978 --> 00:23:38,658
Speaker 4: just backtrack real quick, because I see the chat is

505
00:23:38,698 --> 00:23:41,858
Speaker 4: pissed to make. I'm not saying that, oh, the Patriots

506
00:23:42,018 --> 00:23:44,538
Speaker 4: help their draft stock by winning that last game. I'm saying,

507
00:23:44,698 --> 00:23:48,578
Speaker 4: don't expect anybody in that building to say no, we

508
00:23:48,618 --> 00:23:50,218
Speaker 4: need to go out and lose for the draft. I'm

509
00:23:50,258 --> 00:23:53,418
Speaker 4: saying internally, they are not looked. They should not be

510
00:23:53,498 --> 00:23:55,378
Speaker 4: looking at that as we want to lose this game

511
00:23:55,418 --> 00:23:57,258
Speaker 4: for the draft. They should be wanting to pull out

512
00:23:57,258 --> 00:23:59,618
Speaker 4: every win they can. Obviously, yes, it's better for the

513
00:23:59,698 --> 00:24:03,778
Speaker 4: draft positioning if they lose. I ideally, you play a close,

514
00:24:03,858 --> 00:24:05,978
Speaker 4: competitive game and you lose, so you still have something

515
00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,178
Speaker 4: to build on. But people are saying, I just want

516
00:24:08,178 --> 00:24:09,658
Speaker 4: to be clear, I'm not saying it's better for them

517
00:24:10,138 --> 00:24:12,657
Speaker 4: in the draft if they win that game. It's obviously not.

518
00:24:12,778 --> 00:24:15,338
Speaker 4: I just don't expect them to. They're not gonna be

519
00:24:15,538 --> 00:24:17,538
Speaker 4: going into that game thinking about the draft. Norse should

520
00:24:17,538 --> 00:24:21,218
Speaker 4: they they're at the.

521
00:24:20,578 --> 00:24:23,578
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, yeah exactly. Just to clear that up.

522
00:24:24,538 --> 00:24:26,258
Speaker 2: I love it when the check gets on you, though,

523
00:24:26,378 --> 00:24:31,098
Speaker 2: I do like it. But yeah, I'm not suggesting that

524
00:24:31,138 --> 00:24:33,098
Speaker 2: they're going to go out there and take by any

525
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:35,898
Speaker 2: means like, that's not That's not what any team. I

526
00:24:35,938 --> 00:24:39,938
Speaker 2: truly believe, that's not what any team does. Now. Executives

527
00:24:39,938 --> 00:24:41,898
Speaker 2: and did owners maybe from.

528
00:24:41,778 --> 00:24:42,778
Speaker 4: The GM level up.

529
00:24:42,978 --> 00:24:46,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and that's it. It's not an individual game. Hey,

530
00:24:46,098 --> 00:24:47,138
Speaker 2: we need to go lose this thing.

531
00:24:47,218 --> 00:24:50,138
Speaker 4: It's the hey, like, we're not going to invest a

532
00:24:50,138 --> 00:24:51,898
Speaker 4: ton in this roster because we need to reset. We

533
00:24:51,938 --> 00:24:53,938
Speaker 4: need the draft picks, we need to reset the cap,

534
00:24:54,058 --> 00:24:54,618
Speaker 4: like we're.

535
00:24:54,458 --> 00:24:57,698
Speaker 2: Going to go into this season. You don't get, don't

536
00:24:58,258 --> 00:24:58,698
Speaker 2: You don't get.

537
00:24:58,698 --> 00:25:00,658
Speaker 4: Maybe at the trade deadline you decide like, hey, we're

538
00:25:00,658 --> 00:25:02,698
Speaker 4: going to sell off guys. That's more so in other

539
00:25:02,738 --> 00:25:05,018
Speaker 4: sports than football. You don't get to Week eighteen and.

540
00:25:05,018 --> 00:25:07,058
Speaker 2: Say we need to lose this game. Lose this Get's

541
00:25:07,098 --> 00:25:10,258
Speaker 2: not how it works. Yeah, No, I just I think

542
00:25:10,298 --> 00:25:12,658
Speaker 2: about the draft pick because I don't coach or play

543
00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:14,938
Speaker 2: in the game. So I'm going to consider and.

544
00:25:14,898 --> 00:25:16,498
Speaker 4: Look who you're talking to about, don't think of the

545
00:25:16,538 --> 00:25:18,738
Speaker 4: draft pick. Right that Jets game last year, I was

546
00:25:18,778 --> 00:25:21,098
Speaker 4: up there. I'm picturing Drake May the whole time. I'm

547
00:25:21,098 --> 00:25:21,658
Speaker 4: not gonna lie.

548
00:25:21,858 --> 00:25:25,898
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the other element of this Bills game just

549
00:25:25,898 --> 00:25:27,298
Speaker 2: to go back there and then we'll do three up,

550
00:25:27,298 --> 00:25:29,458
Speaker 2: three down. I know everybody wants us to talk off season,

551
00:25:29,578 --> 00:25:33,058
Speaker 2: so we'll get to in the second. But the other

552
00:25:33,098 --> 00:25:37,578
Speaker 2: element of this game that I have found myself being

553
00:25:38,338 --> 00:25:43,657
Speaker 2: like lowercase C concerned about, is there. I used this

554
00:25:43,698 --> 00:25:47,298
Speaker 2: take earlier for the Celtics lowercase c' I'm not big

555
00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:50,338
Speaker 2: C yet, Like I'm not like really worried about it yet.

556
00:25:50,418 --> 00:25:53,098
Speaker 4: But I'm just this take or the Celtics has nothing

557
00:25:53,098 --> 00:25:55,338
Speaker 4: to do with Celtics lower case W or upper case W.

558
00:25:55,338 --> 00:25:59,098
Speaker 4: Worried about Celtics lowercase like the smallest case me too.

559
00:25:59,338 --> 00:25:59,538
Speaker 5: Yeah.

560
00:26:00,818 --> 00:26:04,378
Speaker 2: In terms of the Patriots though back to the show,

561
00:26:05,378 --> 00:26:11,858
Speaker 2: this is a lowercase W worried about Drake May in

562
00:26:11,898 --> 00:26:15,698
Speaker 2: the red zone and just their red zone offense in general. Now,

563
00:26:16,178 --> 00:26:19,418
Speaker 2: the Drake May in the red zone angle probably improves

564
00:26:19,858 --> 00:26:23,417
Speaker 2: when he has better supporting cast, right, like that, that

565
00:26:23,538 --> 00:26:28,298
Speaker 2: element of it, I will totally allow for the The

566
00:26:28,298 --> 00:26:32,618
Speaker 2: The concern that I have with it is two things. One,

567
00:26:32,738 --> 00:26:35,578
Speaker 2: there was some of this at North Carolina. They had

568
00:26:35,578 --> 00:26:39,538
Speaker 2: some issues finishing drives at North Carolina too, And he

569
00:26:39,658 --> 00:26:44,258
Speaker 2: had some issues with blit zero turnovers in the red

570
00:26:44,338 --> 00:26:47,578
Speaker 2: zone like that kind of stuff. So this is probably

571
00:26:48,658 --> 00:26:53,178
Speaker 2: in reality the more important development for him. Then. Like

572
00:26:53,218 --> 00:26:55,378
Speaker 2: people making the big deal out of the footwork and

573
00:26:55,418 --> 00:26:58,258
Speaker 2: like all that stuff, I thought I always thought, you

574
00:26:58,298 --> 00:27:01,538
Speaker 2: know that, I always thought that was kind of way overblown.

575
00:27:02,178 --> 00:27:04,698
Speaker 2: This type of stuff, though I don't think is as

576
00:27:04,738 --> 00:27:09,018
Speaker 2: overblown with him in college to the pros. And it

577
00:27:09,098 --> 00:27:12,698
Speaker 2: doesn't help that he doesn't have the most creative play caller.

578
00:27:13,018 --> 00:27:15,338
Speaker 2: When you get down there, you need to be creative.

579
00:27:15,738 --> 00:27:17,938
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like double passes and stuff. I'm

580
00:27:17,978 --> 00:27:21,178
Speaker 2: just talking about scheme and motion and stretching the field

581
00:27:21,178 --> 00:27:23,538
Speaker 2: horizontally and knowing how to use the space of the

582
00:27:23,538 --> 00:27:26,738
Speaker 2: field and all that kind of stuff. But you also

583
00:27:26,858 --> 00:27:29,498
Speaker 2: have to look at it and you know, it took

584
00:27:29,538 --> 00:27:33,338
Speaker 2: them ten plays to score from the eight yard line

585
00:27:33,938 --> 00:27:36,658
Speaker 2: at the end of the game, and the Bills are

586
00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:40,738
Speaker 2: just sending the house and they just can't get a

587
00:27:40,778 --> 00:27:44,498
Speaker 2: cover zero beater. Now he had one on the play

588
00:27:44,538 --> 00:27:47,738
Speaker 2: that he dropped the snap, which was the one time

589
00:27:48,058 --> 00:27:50,698
Speaker 2: where I thought that he was a little shaky in

590
00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:53,778
Speaker 2: this game. And so you have that situation at the

591
00:27:53,858 --> 00:27:56,058
Speaker 2: end of the game where if they score before the

592
00:27:56,058 --> 00:27:58,858
Speaker 2: two minute warning, like now they're they're in business with

593
00:27:59,298 --> 00:28:02,698
Speaker 2: three timeouts and the two minute warning down by three,

594
00:28:02,858 --> 00:28:04,738
Speaker 2: at least, you're putting the Bills in a position where

595
00:28:04,738 --> 00:28:06,938
Speaker 2: they have to put a drive together to close out

596
00:28:06,938 --> 00:28:09,058
Speaker 2: the game. And it's not just one first down and

597
00:28:09,098 --> 00:28:13,658
Speaker 2: the game is over. The interception I don't. There's a

598
00:28:13,698 --> 00:28:18,658
Speaker 2: lot of fault on that interception. The route combination obviously,

599
00:28:18,938 --> 00:28:22,178
Speaker 2: you know, Kendrick Bourne and Austin Hooper like that. It

600
00:28:22,498 --> 00:28:27,058
Speaker 2: was an ugly route combination in terms of the execution

601
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:29,378
Speaker 2: on that play. Don't mind. The route combination is actually,

602
00:28:29,618 --> 00:28:31,738
Speaker 2: you know, scissors is actually a pretty good red zone

603
00:28:31,818 --> 00:28:34,498
Speaker 2: high red zone play that a lot of teams run,

604
00:28:34,938 --> 00:28:37,218
Speaker 2: but it just wasn't executed great. But the thing that

605
00:28:37,258 --> 00:28:39,538
Speaker 2: I see with Drake in the red zone is that

606
00:28:39,658 --> 00:28:44,058
Speaker 2: he's a big like anticipatory thrower, and he likes to

607
00:28:44,058 --> 00:28:46,858
Speaker 2: see the space in the defense, right like, here are

608
00:28:46,898 --> 00:28:49,658
Speaker 2: the voids in what I'm looking at, and I'm just

609
00:28:49,698 --> 00:28:54,218
Speaker 2: gonna anticipate that Austin Hooper is going to run into

610
00:28:54,258 --> 00:28:57,938
Speaker 2: this void. But the problem is is that a lot

611
00:28:57,978 --> 00:29:00,658
Speaker 2: of things have to go right then from the time

612
00:29:00,698 --> 00:29:03,578
Speaker 2: he releases the ball to the time that the ball

613
00:29:03,658 --> 00:29:06,618
Speaker 2: arrives at the target, you know, like the routes hitting correctly,

614
00:29:06,938 --> 00:29:09,178
Speaker 2: like Austin Hooper reading the play the same way that

615
00:29:09,218 --> 00:29:12,378
Speaker 2: he reads the play, and in the open field between

616
00:29:12,378 --> 00:29:15,298
Speaker 2: the twenties, those types of throws, if he makes that

617
00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:17,778
Speaker 2: exact same throw, that might just be an incomplete pass.

618
00:29:18,138 --> 00:29:20,738
Speaker 2: But because the space is so condensed in the red zone,

619
00:29:20,978 --> 00:29:23,338
Speaker 2: that middle of the field safety, it's a pretty it's

620
00:29:23,378 --> 00:29:25,658
Speaker 2: an easier play for him to get to the sideline

621
00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:29,938
Speaker 2: there and make that play. So it's a lowercase W

622
00:29:30,258 --> 00:29:32,618
Speaker 2: like I'm not I'm not trying to be panicky or

623
00:29:32,618 --> 00:29:36,018
Speaker 2: anything about it just yet. But they've struggled in the

624
00:29:36,018 --> 00:29:39,138
Speaker 2: red zone all's a year long. But also with Drake

625
00:29:39,258 --> 00:29:42,258
Speaker 2: at quarterback, it's probably the one area where they haven't

626
00:29:42,298 --> 00:29:45,618
Speaker 2: shown real improvement with Drake. Like everything else is up,

627
00:29:45,658 --> 00:29:49,898
Speaker 2: like yards points, everything else is up with Drake at quarterback,

628
00:29:49,978 --> 00:29:52,898
Speaker 2: but the one thing that isn't is their red zone efficiency.

629
00:29:52,938 --> 00:29:55,098
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just talent will fix some of that.

630
00:29:55,178 --> 00:29:57,538
Speaker 4: He'll have more time there. I agree, that's not just

631
00:29:57,578 --> 00:29:59,738
Speaker 4: a Drake may thing. A lot of young quarterbacks like

632
00:29:59,778 --> 00:30:01,258
Speaker 4: the red zone is kind of one of the last

633
00:30:01,258 --> 00:30:03,338
Speaker 4: things to come. Having a better run game would be

634
00:30:03,338 --> 00:30:05,618
Speaker 4: a big way to help him. But if you remember,

635
00:30:05,618 --> 00:30:07,938
Speaker 4: remember I take after the Titans game on Drake May Like,

636
00:30:08,058 --> 00:30:10,378
Speaker 4: he plays with an inner dialogue of fine, I'll do

637
00:30:10,458 --> 00:30:12,978
Speaker 4: it myself. Yeah, I guess I'll have to do it myself.

638
00:30:13,658 --> 00:30:16,258
Speaker 4: He's been better about that the last few weeks. Except

639
00:30:16,298 --> 00:30:18,578
Speaker 4: in the red zone, and he even said after the

640
00:30:18,618 --> 00:30:20,458
Speaker 4: game you could tell he's frustrated. He said, yeah, you know,

641
00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:22,618
Speaker 4: a lot of time, the red zone ultimately comes back

642
00:30:22,618 --> 00:30:24,458
Speaker 4: to the quarterback. I've got to be better, And yes,

643
00:30:24,498 --> 00:30:26,418
Speaker 4: he can be better in the red zone. But I

644
00:30:26,498 --> 00:30:29,618
Speaker 4: do feel like he there is room for him to

645
00:30:29,698 --> 00:30:31,978
Speaker 4: trust others to make plays down there. And I get

646
00:30:31,978 --> 00:30:34,418
Speaker 4: why maybe he doesn't based on the way this year

647
00:30:34,498 --> 00:30:36,538
Speaker 4: is gone. But when you get we'll do offseason.

648
00:30:36,698 --> 00:30:36,938
Speaker 2: Ono.

649
00:30:37,058 --> 00:30:40,058
Speaker 4: Do you hear the clip on the Athletic Football podcast

650
00:30:40,058 --> 00:30:42,698
Speaker 4: this week about a certain receiver that we've talked about

651
00:30:42,738 --> 00:30:44,818
Speaker 4: on the show. We'll get to that. When you get him,

652
00:30:44,818 --> 00:30:46,938
Speaker 4: a guy like that, I think things will start to

653
00:30:46,938 --> 00:30:47,578
Speaker 4: open up for him.

654
00:30:47,818 --> 00:30:50,698
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that are personnel driven in

655
00:30:50,738 --> 00:30:53,698
Speaker 2: this offense, and like I said, I when it comes

656
00:30:53,738 --> 00:30:57,338
Speaker 2: to red zone, especially Van Pelt shares in a lot

657
00:30:57,378 --> 00:30:59,818
Speaker 2: of the blame. And it took him. Of course, it

658
00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:03,218
Speaker 2: took until week seventeen for them to run Drake in

659
00:31:03,298 --> 00:31:06,258
Speaker 2: the red zone like that's not his fault, that's what

660
00:31:06,338 --> 00:31:08,778
Speaker 2: they're calling for him to run. And I think one

661
00:31:08,778 --> 00:31:11,538
Speaker 2: of the elements you know with Van Pelt that I've

662
00:31:11,578 --> 00:31:14,418
Speaker 2: had you know, criticisms of with the red zone stuff

663
00:31:14,818 --> 00:31:17,218
Speaker 2: is that a lot of it is progression based reads

664
00:31:17,498 --> 00:31:21,138
Speaker 2: for Drake in a condensed area where things happen a

665
00:31:21,138 --> 00:31:24,538
Speaker 2: lot faster down there. And like you said, young quarterbacks,

666
00:31:26,138 --> 00:31:29,098
Speaker 2: this tends to be the last frontier for young quarterbacks

667
00:31:29,138 --> 00:31:31,378
Speaker 2: is throwing in the red zone. So you know, you

668
00:31:31,418 --> 00:31:35,178
Speaker 2: have a young quarterback that isn't you know, exactly there

669
00:31:35,258 --> 00:31:38,018
Speaker 2: yet in terms of the red zone, and instead of

670
00:31:38,098 --> 00:31:41,738
Speaker 2: running you know, some read options, some RPO, you know,

671
00:31:41,818 --> 00:31:46,178
Speaker 2: some more creative type play calls to just sort of

672
00:31:46,178 --> 00:31:48,778
Speaker 2: take him out of dropback mode, right, Like that's what

673
00:31:48,858 --> 00:31:51,258
Speaker 2: I see the most of is like you're asking him

674
00:31:51,298 --> 00:31:53,898
Speaker 2: to drop back pass all the time. Yeah, you know,

675
00:31:54,498 --> 00:31:57,658
Speaker 2: and if you were willing to run the quarterback a

676
00:31:57,658 --> 00:32:00,778
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, great red zone plays like for Philly,

677
00:32:00,858 --> 00:32:03,498
Speaker 2: like their quarterback draw play out of empty is one

678
00:32:03,538 --> 00:32:06,538
Speaker 2: of their dynamite red zone plays, right you just empty

679
00:32:06,578 --> 00:32:09,538
Speaker 2: the backfield. You usually get five in the box against

680
00:32:09,538 --> 00:32:12,578
Speaker 2: five blockers and Jalen Hurts just runs the ball down there.

681
00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,818
Speaker 2: Like those are the types of things that if they

682
00:32:15,818 --> 00:32:18,378
Speaker 2: were doing more of those things, then he wouldn't have

683
00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:20,458
Speaker 2: to always try to throw the ball into the end

684
00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,938
Speaker 2: zone from a drop back situation and they just don't

685
00:32:23,938 --> 00:32:26,378
Speaker 2: do those types of things. So that that's been frustrating

686
00:32:26,418 --> 00:32:30,418
Speaker 2: to me from a red zone perspective is they should

687
00:32:30,418 --> 00:32:32,578
Speaker 2: be finishing more of these drives. I mean, what was

688
00:32:32,578 --> 00:32:34,218
Speaker 2: it. It was the Colts game that they were two for

689
00:32:34,298 --> 00:32:37,378
Speaker 2: six in the red zone I believe it was. And

690
00:32:37,418 --> 00:32:40,778
Speaker 2: then you know this game were the Cardinals game either, Yeah,

691
00:32:40,778 --> 00:32:42,858
Speaker 2: this game it's been tough too, you know with the Bills.

692
00:32:42,898 --> 00:32:45,738
Speaker 2: So those would be my two biggest nippicks. You know,

693
00:32:45,778 --> 00:32:48,218
Speaker 2: obviously there's individual players, which we'll get to now with

694
00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:52,218
Speaker 2: three up, three down, But in terms of conceptually run defense,

695
00:32:52,338 --> 00:32:54,178
Speaker 2: I think at this point is what it is and

696
00:32:54,338 --> 00:32:56,338
Speaker 2: that's the next season problem. I would like to see

697
00:32:56,338 --> 00:32:59,058
Speaker 2: them be a little bit more buttoned up in the

698
00:32:59,058 --> 00:33:01,058
Speaker 2: red zone in these last two games, like can you

699
00:33:01,098 --> 00:33:03,898
Speaker 2: get some stuff that makes you feel better about how

700
00:33:03,938 --> 00:33:06,298
Speaker 2: they look down in the red area, And it's it's

701
00:33:06,338 --> 00:33:08,738
Speaker 2: a big part of Alex Van Pelts evaluation for me,

702
00:33:08,818 --> 00:33:11,898
Speaker 2: because they're down in red zone that that's where that's

703
00:33:11,898 --> 00:33:13,218
Speaker 2: where coordinators make their mind.

704
00:33:13,298 --> 00:33:15,258
Speaker 4: We'll say this though, you know who the best red

705
00:33:15,338 --> 00:33:18,658
Speaker 4: zone defense is in the NFL. The Chargers, Los Angeles

706
00:33:18,738 --> 00:33:20,538
Speaker 4: Chargers for touchdowns.

707
00:33:20,618 --> 00:33:22,978
Speaker 2: Yeah, big reason why. Then we'll talk a little Chargers.

708
00:33:23,338 --> 00:33:25,138
Speaker 2: The big reason why they're really good in the red

709
00:33:25,218 --> 00:33:28,258
Speaker 2: zone their defensive.

710
00:33:27,778 --> 00:33:29,738
Speaker 4: Tous Edwards just ruled out JK.

711
00:33:29,818 --> 00:33:33,138
Speaker 2: Dobbins question. Okay, I think we should get the Patriots

712
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:37,418
Speaker 2: then shortly. The big thing, the big reason why they're

713
00:33:37,618 --> 00:33:40,298
Speaker 2: they're a really good red zone defense, Jesse mint Or

714
00:33:40,338 --> 00:33:43,978
Speaker 2: their defensive coordinator is really really good at keying on

715
00:33:44,058 --> 00:33:46,498
Speaker 2: your tendencies on early downs and putting you in long

716
00:33:46,578 --> 00:33:49,538
Speaker 2: down and distance. So if you get into the red

717
00:33:49,658 --> 00:33:51,698
Speaker 2: zone and he kind of knows what you're gonna do

718
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:54,018
Speaker 2: on first and second down, and now you're in third

719
00:33:54,018 --> 00:33:55,778
Speaker 2: and pass in the red zone all the time. That's

720
00:33:55,858 --> 00:33:57,458
Speaker 2: that's a tough way to live, Like, you don't want

721
00:33:57,458 --> 00:33:59,098
Speaker 2: to live in third and pass. And I think the

722
00:33:59,098 --> 00:34:02,178
Speaker 2: Patriots get into those situations a lot, where they're in

723
00:34:02,378 --> 00:34:06,578
Speaker 2: laid down passing situations from like the low red area,

724
00:34:06,698 --> 00:34:08,777
Speaker 2: which is a really tough place to be. I mean,

725
00:34:08,817 --> 00:34:12,058
Speaker 2: we saw that against Buffalo, just setting everybody and putting

726
00:34:12,058 --> 00:34:15,098
Speaker 2: them in tough spots in there, that situation and that

727
00:34:15,218 --> 00:34:17,658
Speaker 2: drive how many I think it was three defensive pass

728
00:34:17,658 --> 00:34:21,258
Speaker 2: interferences that extended that drive, so they the Patriots need

729
00:34:21,297 --> 00:34:23,377
Speaker 2: to clean that up. Let's do three up, three down.

730
00:34:23,658 --> 00:34:26,338
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little chargers and a little draft as always,

731
00:34:26,777 --> 00:34:28,218
Speaker 2: but do you want to start us off on three up,

732
00:34:28,258 --> 00:34:30,098
Speaker 2: three down? You prepared this week? I am prepared because

733
00:34:30,138 --> 00:34:32,018
Speaker 2: already this sweet Well it's funny because we kind of

734
00:34:32,058 --> 00:34:36,258
Speaker 2: just did the same show you did on Tuesday, Sports Like, Yeah, anyways,

735
00:34:37,018 --> 00:34:38,698
Speaker 2: so I I'll do this a little different because that

736
00:34:38,738 --> 00:34:40,378
Speaker 2: one had to be three up, three down, actually a

737
00:34:40,418 --> 00:34:44,978
Speaker 2: two up, five down. Oh wow, five down you're critical, Yeah.

738
00:34:44,818 --> 00:34:46,498
Speaker 4: A little bit one of them you might have a

739
00:34:46,538 --> 00:34:46,938
Speaker 4: problem with.

740
00:34:47,018 --> 00:34:48,578
Speaker 2: But oh boy. Uh.

741
00:34:49,578 --> 00:34:52,578
Speaker 4: First up, Christian Ellis, who I feel like has been

742
00:34:52,578 --> 00:34:53,498
Speaker 4: on here weekly for me.

743
00:34:54,018 --> 00:34:55,538
Speaker 2: You have him as a up. I have him as

744
00:34:55,538 --> 00:34:57,418
Speaker 2: a up. You have miss down. No, I just don't.

745
00:34:57,498 --> 00:34:58,418
Speaker 2: I didn't think about him.

746
00:34:58,538 --> 00:35:01,738
Speaker 4: I thought that he made one good play in space

747
00:35:01,778 --> 00:35:04,098
Speaker 4: early in the game, good tackle in space. He had

748
00:35:04,098 --> 00:35:06,378
Speaker 4: the pass break up. I mean, for what it was,

749
00:35:06,458 --> 00:35:07,858
Speaker 4: the ball hit off the back of his helmet, but

750
00:35:07,898 --> 00:35:09,018
Speaker 4: he was right there in coverage.

751
00:35:09,138 --> 00:35:09,538
Speaker 2: Yeah.

752
00:35:09,578 --> 00:35:12,018
Speaker 4: A couple other plays where I thought he was in

753
00:35:12,058 --> 00:35:14,538
Speaker 4: the right spot defending the run. They were maybe bigger

754
00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:17,218
Speaker 4: run plays because there were other holes for the back

755
00:35:17,258 --> 00:35:21,138
Speaker 4: to find secondary holes. But and this maybe says more

756
00:35:21,218 --> 00:35:24,698
Speaker 4: about the Patriots current roster than it does about Christianellis.

757
00:35:25,738 --> 00:35:28,297
Speaker 2: He's just been steady. He's been I.

758
00:35:28,218 --> 00:35:30,178
Speaker 4: Don't know how many plays he's like gone out and

759
00:35:30,258 --> 00:35:33,818
Speaker 4: made right creative might play he's created. But there haven't

760
00:35:34,098 --> 00:35:35,898
Speaker 4: really been a ton of instances where he's doing the

761
00:35:35,978 --> 00:35:37,618
Speaker 4: wrong thing either. He just always seems to be in

762
00:35:37,618 --> 00:35:40,658
Speaker 4: the right place, right time, makes the plays that are

763
00:35:40,658 --> 00:35:43,258
Speaker 4: there to be made. And especially on defense this year,

764
00:35:43,338 --> 00:35:45,738
Speaker 4: there's not that many guys you can say that about

765
00:35:45,778 --> 00:35:48,098
Speaker 4: on this team. Like if we were to talk about

766
00:35:48,538 --> 00:35:52,898
Speaker 4: just output for this season, Christian Elli's top fifteen player

767
00:35:52,898 --> 00:35:54,418
Speaker 4: on the team, top ten.

768
00:35:54,698 --> 00:35:55,777
Speaker 2: Like says a lot.

769
00:35:56,258 --> 00:35:58,498
Speaker 4: And again I acknowledge this maybe says more about the

770
00:35:58,578 --> 00:36:01,178
Speaker 4: Rosson does about Ellis. Yeah, who's been more impressive this

771
00:36:01,258 --> 00:36:02,338
Speaker 4: year Christian Ellis, Kyle.

772
00:36:02,258 --> 00:36:05,658
Speaker 2: Loger, Yeah. I mean, look, I think with Ellis, the

773
00:36:05,658 --> 00:36:07,698
Speaker 2: biggest thing that I see is that he has a role.

774
00:36:07,858 --> 00:36:09,857
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna I think he has a role

775
00:36:09,898 --> 00:36:12,978
Speaker 2: on an NFL roster as a passing downs linebacker. Yeah,

776
00:36:13,098 --> 00:36:15,018
Speaker 2: I do. Now they have to use him a little

777
00:36:15,018 --> 00:36:16,898
Speaker 2: bit more on early downs than he's probably built for.

778
00:36:17,178 --> 00:36:19,138
Speaker 4: But even when he's in those situations, again, he hasn't

779
00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:22,018
Speaker 4: been great, but he hasn't been I don't really seem

780
00:36:22,098 --> 00:36:22,858
Speaker 4: getting exposed.

781
00:36:23,138 --> 00:36:25,058
Speaker 2: He just can't get off blocks in the running game.

782
00:36:25,098 --> 00:36:28,058
Speaker 2: He's just too small, right, And some of that's you know,

783
00:36:28,058 --> 00:36:30,138
Speaker 2: we've talked about this in the past of the run defense.

784
00:36:30,818 --> 00:36:32,618
Speaker 2: I don't love how they play the run with this

785
00:36:32,738 --> 00:36:35,658
Speaker 2: personnel because they're still trying to two gap and they're

786
00:36:35,658 --> 00:36:38,218
Speaker 2: still trying to get their linebackers to take on blockers

787
00:36:38,218 --> 00:36:41,258
Speaker 2: and things like that. And Christian Ellis is what two

788
00:36:41,298 --> 00:36:43,618
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two hundred and thirty five pounds. Yeah,

789
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:46,258
Speaker 2: see only Taki Taki another guy who's a smaller guy

790
00:36:46,418 --> 00:36:49,418
Speaker 2: that's more gonna win with athleticism and smarts than he

791
00:36:49,538 --> 00:36:53,297
Speaker 2: is with physicality. So I don't necessarily put it on

792
00:36:53,338 --> 00:36:56,298
Speaker 2: Ellis that they're asking Ellis to stand over the bubble

793
00:36:56,298 --> 00:36:58,498
Speaker 2: and then take on a guard, you know, at the

794
00:36:58,538 --> 00:37:01,618
Speaker 2: point of attack. Like, that's not Christian Ellis problem. That's

795
00:37:01,618 --> 00:37:03,738
Speaker 2: a DeMarcus Covington and girod Meo problem.

796
00:37:03,818 --> 00:37:06,298
Speaker 4: So no, I think he had another solid game, and

797
00:37:06,338 --> 00:37:07,658
Speaker 4: I think he's had a solid year.

798
00:37:07,898 --> 00:37:12,618
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. My first up was Jonathan Jones. Yeah.

799
00:37:12,658 --> 00:37:15,218
Speaker 2: I thought Jonathan Jones was fantastic in this game, the

800
00:37:15,258 --> 00:37:17,058
Speaker 2: best game of the year, best game I've seen him

801
00:37:17,098 --> 00:37:20,698
Speaker 2: play in quite a bit. Look, clear, Shakir is now

802
00:37:20,738 --> 00:37:23,178
Speaker 2: the Bills engine of that offense. He's the straw that

803
00:37:23,218 --> 00:37:26,698
Speaker 2: stirs the drink. It's very Edelman esque, I would say,

804
00:37:26,978 --> 00:37:29,178
Speaker 2: in terms of how they run that offense through him

805
00:37:29,218 --> 00:37:33,138
Speaker 2: in the slot. Jonathan Jones on a twelve routes in

806
00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:36,738
Speaker 2: man to man coverage against Khalil Shaker allowed one catch.

807
00:37:37,218 --> 00:37:39,218
Speaker 2: It was that little drag route over the middle of

808
00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,098
Speaker 2: the field in the second half, one catch in twelve yards.

809
00:37:42,098 --> 00:37:44,298
Speaker 2: And guess what on that one catch, he forced a

810
00:37:44,298 --> 00:37:48,658
Speaker 2: fumble on the one catch that he allows. Yeah, peanut punch.

811
00:37:48,738 --> 00:37:50,297
Speaker 2: So even though he gave up a catch, he still

812
00:37:50,338 --> 00:37:52,418
Speaker 2: made a play on the ball. On that play he

813
00:37:52,458 --> 00:37:54,218
Speaker 2: had to pass breakup in the end zone, which was

814
00:37:54,258 --> 00:37:57,658
Speaker 2: just perfect trail coverage, trail man coverage. I just thought

815
00:37:57,738 --> 00:38:00,458
Speaker 2: he was all over Khalil Shakir in this game. And

816
00:38:00,498 --> 00:38:05,138
Speaker 2: maybe the most the most sort of just stamp of

817
00:38:05,178 --> 00:38:08,738
Speaker 2: this game plan against Buffalo was how well prepared they

818
00:38:08,778 --> 00:38:11,938
Speaker 2: were for Shakir and his route tree. It really seemed

819
00:38:11,978 --> 00:38:14,538
Speaker 2: like Jonathan Jones knew the route that Shakira was gonna

820
00:38:14,578 --> 00:38:17,178
Speaker 2: run before he ran it. Kudos to him for his

821
00:38:17,298 --> 00:38:20,778
Speaker 2: preparation on Shakir, but I also would imagine that that

822
00:38:20,898 --> 00:38:22,578
Speaker 2: had a lot to do with what the coaches in

823
00:38:22,658 --> 00:38:25,858
Speaker 2: the game plan was as well. So they recognized, you know,

824
00:38:25,898 --> 00:38:28,898
Speaker 2: Shakier is an inbreaking route runner. He's gonna run crossers,

825
00:38:28,938 --> 00:38:31,138
Speaker 2: he's gonna run slants, he's gonna run things over the

826
00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:34,418
Speaker 2: middle of the field. So they just put Jonathan Jones

827
00:38:34,738 --> 00:38:37,218
Speaker 2: and an inside trail technique and had him just shadow

828
00:38:37,298 --> 00:38:39,218
Speaker 2: him across the field and then they would put his

829
00:38:39,258 --> 00:38:40,978
Speaker 2: safety up over the top of him so that if

830
00:38:40,978 --> 00:38:43,418
Speaker 2: they went deep, he would have that safety help over

831
00:38:43,458 --> 00:38:46,378
Speaker 2: the top. And he was just in his shirt all

832
00:38:46,458 --> 00:38:50,698
Speaker 2: day long. I mean, really great coverage, Jonathan Jones. Yeah, absolutely,

833
00:38:52,938 --> 00:38:55,618
Speaker 2: Nell Johns, you only had two. Really, I would have put.

834
00:38:55,538 --> 00:38:57,738
Speaker 4: Drake May, but he threw the pick and I didn't

835
00:38:57,778 --> 00:39:00,337
Speaker 4: love him dropping the ball on that snap in the red.

836
00:39:00,938 --> 00:39:03,578
Speaker 2: I was like, I considered Drake May.

837
00:39:03,658 --> 00:39:06,418
Speaker 4: He was like close to up but not up.

838
00:39:06,818 --> 00:39:09,618
Speaker 2: So the sticky thing about Drake and I'm with you,

839
00:39:09,698 --> 00:39:12,498
Speaker 2: I considered it because the tough thing about him is

840
00:39:12,538 --> 00:39:14,618
Speaker 2: that it feels like they wouldn't be in these games.

841
00:39:14,658 --> 00:39:16,738
Speaker 2: It wasn't for him, but they also feels like he's

842
00:39:16,778 --> 00:39:18,978
Speaker 2: making some critical errors, so it's hard to put him

843
00:39:18,978 --> 00:39:21,058
Speaker 2: on the ups. But like the same time, you have

844
00:39:21,098 --> 00:39:23,297
Speaker 2: to recognize he's the most valuable player on the team.

845
00:39:23,338 --> 00:39:25,258
Speaker 4: So this is where I was at with Drake basically

846
00:39:25,258 --> 00:39:27,218
Speaker 4: in this game, and we didn't talk about this in

847
00:39:27,258 --> 00:39:28,898
Speaker 4: the open. I wanted to talk about this, yet we're

848
00:39:28,898 --> 00:39:32,058
Speaker 4: getting to it. And I said this with Greg on Tuesday.

849
00:39:32,218 --> 00:39:35,738
Speaker 4: Just for him to go into that environment, both handling

850
00:39:35,738 --> 00:39:39,218
Speaker 4: the coldest game in his career Buffalo, It's loud, it

851
00:39:39,298 --> 00:39:41,738
Speaker 4: was kind of later in the day, just all those

852
00:39:41,778 --> 00:39:44,658
Speaker 4: like that was a big game environment. It obviously wasn't

853
00:39:44,698 --> 00:39:47,578
Speaker 4: a big game for the Patriots at at three and eleven,

854
00:39:47,738 --> 00:39:50,378
Speaker 4: but that was a big game environment, and you don't

855
00:39:50,418 --> 00:39:51,938
Speaker 4: know how these guys are gonna handle it, especially a

856
00:39:51,938 --> 00:39:53,978
Speaker 4: guy that was in the ACC. We're seeing the college

857
00:39:53,978 --> 00:39:56,258
Speaker 4: football playoff right now, like what these kids look like

858
00:39:56,298 --> 00:39:58,698
Speaker 4: when they go into a real road playoff game. R

859
00:39:58,698 --> 00:40:00,498
Speaker 4: I think that's a big reason the games are lopsided

860
00:40:00,578 --> 00:40:04,058
Speaker 4: last week. So you don't know what he's gonna look like.

861
00:40:04,098 --> 00:40:05,777
Speaker 4: And he went in there and he like they showed

862
00:40:05,818 --> 00:40:06,618
Speaker 4: him on TV earlier.

863
00:40:06,658 --> 00:40:08,178
Speaker 2: I thought he looks cold.

864
00:40:08,418 --> 00:40:13,458
Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks but it it may have bothered him,

865
00:40:13,738 --> 00:40:17,618
Speaker 4: but it didn't impact him, and that's really all that matters.

866
00:40:17,858 --> 00:40:19,817
Speaker 4: In the noise, like the play some of the play

867
00:40:19,818 --> 00:40:21,698
Speaker 4: calls gotten late, but there were also times he was

868
00:40:21,738 --> 00:40:23,578
Speaker 4: able to handle it and make it work and things

869
00:40:23,618 --> 00:40:27,458
Speaker 4: like that. If we're talking about the long term five

870
00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:30,978
Speaker 4: to ten year window, that game was incredibly encouraging for

871
00:40:31,058 --> 00:40:33,138
Speaker 4: Drake May because, look, the games are gonna get bigger

872
00:40:33,258 --> 00:40:35,777
Speaker 4: and we'll see but as much of a big game

873
00:40:35,898 --> 00:40:37,578
Speaker 4: environment as he's had in the NFL, that was a

874
00:40:37,578 --> 00:40:40,777
Speaker 4: pretty legit environment. He handled it well. So you have

875
00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:43,578
Speaker 4: a quarterback that can go into that environment and handle it.

876
00:40:43,978 --> 00:40:46,658
Speaker 4: Five ten year window, great game for Drake May. If

877
00:40:46,698 --> 00:40:49,578
Speaker 4: we are just talking about who played the best technical

878
00:40:49,618 --> 00:40:53,858
Speaker 4: football game on Sunday, he's not towards the top of

879
00:40:53,858 --> 00:40:56,298
Speaker 4: the list because he had his issues. But for a

880
00:40:56,378 --> 00:41:00,018
Speaker 4: rookie in that spot, the issues he had you live

881
00:41:00,098 --> 00:41:02,538
Speaker 4: with and you say, okay, overall he did. He did

882
00:41:02,578 --> 00:41:04,738
Speaker 4: what he needed to do in this game for what

883
00:41:04,898 --> 00:41:05,777
Speaker 4: this game was.

884
00:41:05,978 --> 00:41:08,938
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point, and I believe it was.

885
00:41:09,098 --> 00:41:10,978
Speaker 2: Van Pelt right then mentioned that it was good for

886
00:41:11,018 --> 00:41:14,018
Speaker 2: the younger players. Yeah, he talked about that today, to

887
00:41:14,058 --> 00:41:16,218
Speaker 2: play in Buffalo for the first time and get that

888
00:41:16,378 --> 00:41:19,338
Speaker 2: first game under their belt. And I agree. And in

889
00:41:19,418 --> 00:41:22,058
Speaker 2: some ways, you know, granted, they they're going to have

890
00:41:22,138 --> 00:41:23,817
Speaker 2: to do it when the stakes are higher and that's

891
00:41:23,818 --> 00:41:25,858
Speaker 2: gonna be a different kind of pressure. But to have

892
00:41:25,938 --> 00:41:28,298
Speaker 2: it be sort of a low pressure situation for the

893
00:41:28,338 --> 00:41:29,018
Speaker 2: first time.

894
00:41:29,058 --> 00:41:32,018
Speaker 4: Low pressure of a high pressure pressure situation, as you

895
00:41:32,018 --> 00:41:32,458
Speaker 4: can get it.

896
00:41:32,498 --> 00:41:34,777
Speaker 2: Wasn't maybe the worst thing in the world that it

897
00:41:34,858 --> 00:41:36,698
Speaker 2: wasn't a game that they had to win for a

898
00:41:36,738 --> 00:41:38,297
Speaker 2: playoff seed or something like that.

899
00:41:38,298 --> 00:41:41,297
Speaker 4: That's a valuable game for young team and the coaches too,

900
00:41:41,338 --> 00:41:44,298
Speaker 4: nuts players coaches, Yeah, that's a valuable game for a

901
00:41:44,338 --> 00:41:45,898
Speaker 4: young team. In the fact that was as close as

902
00:41:45,898 --> 00:41:48,297
Speaker 4: it was is a So this and this goes back

903
00:41:48,338 --> 00:41:49,658
Speaker 4: to what we set off the top. You're talking about

904
00:41:49,658 --> 00:41:51,178
Speaker 4: the game playing stuff now the handle it. I'm talking

905
00:41:51,178 --> 00:41:54,218
Speaker 4: about the end game. Yeah, like five ten year projection.

906
00:41:54,698 --> 00:41:57,458
Speaker 4: You feel really good about that game. You feel better

907
00:41:57,498 --> 00:41:59,458
Speaker 4: about that game in the five ten year window than

908
00:41:59,498 --> 00:42:02,018
Speaker 4: you do the actual football product we saw on Sunday,

909
00:42:02,178 --> 00:42:03,938
Speaker 4: which is not necessarily a bad thing for where this

910
00:42:03,978 --> 00:42:04,498
Speaker 4: team is at.

911
00:42:04,658 --> 00:42:06,578
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just say the other thing with Drake

912
00:42:06,658 --> 00:42:09,458
Speaker 2: May the reason why I you know, look, he made

913
00:42:09,498 --> 00:42:12,538
Speaker 2: some fantastic throws in this game. Obviously, the touchdown to

914
00:42:12,538 --> 00:42:15,498
Speaker 2: Booty is just that that's an unbelievab beautiful throw.

915
00:42:15,618 --> 00:42:17,777
Speaker 4: He had one to Hunter Henry two on third down

916
00:42:17,778 --> 00:42:19,738
Speaker 4: on an out that he threw before Henry got out

917
00:42:19,778 --> 00:42:22,458
Speaker 4: of the break. That was like, that's an NFL That's

918
00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:24,058
Speaker 4: an NFL third down throw right there.

919
00:42:24,138 --> 00:42:26,018
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I mean he made he made several

920
00:42:26,058 --> 00:42:29,777
Speaker 2: great plays in this game. But the the reason why

921
00:42:29,818 --> 00:42:32,018
Speaker 2: I didn't go put him on the ups. Yeah, this

922
00:42:32,098 --> 00:42:34,378
Speaker 2: game felt a little North Carolina eat to me in

923
00:42:34,458 --> 00:42:38,578
Speaker 2: terms of his performance, where there's five or six throws

924
00:42:38,578 --> 00:42:41,178
Speaker 2: that he made in this game that make your jaw drop,

925
00:42:41,418 --> 00:42:43,698
Speaker 2: But then there was also the turnovers and some you know,

926
00:42:43,938 --> 00:42:45,178
Speaker 2: real critical miscuse.

927
00:42:45,338 --> 00:42:48,218
Speaker 4: Looked more Josh Allen than Josh Allen did in this game.

928
00:42:48,218 --> 00:42:51,858
Speaker 4: You're gonna hate me saying that, but yeah, it's or

929
00:42:51,858 --> 00:42:54,258
Speaker 4: do you agree? Uh, he looked more like Josh Allen

930
00:42:54,298 --> 00:42:56,098
Speaker 4: than Josh Josh Allen looked Timid.

931
00:42:57,178 --> 00:42:59,578
Speaker 2: He We'll get to Josh Allen in a second. I

932
00:43:00,178 --> 00:43:02,618
Speaker 2: would just say that, I mean the spin move on

933
00:43:02,658 --> 00:43:05,138
Speaker 2: the first down run, that's Josh Allen. Yeah. I would

934
00:43:05,138 --> 00:43:08,498
Speaker 2: just say that if you're if you you could see

935
00:43:08,498 --> 00:43:10,658
Speaker 2: this game with Drake May anyway you want to see it,

936
00:43:11,018 --> 00:43:13,857
Speaker 2: you could watch this game and you could say, look

937
00:43:13,898 --> 00:43:15,338
Speaker 2: at this throw. You know, the throw he made to

938
00:43:15,338 --> 00:43:17,338
Speaker 2: Booty over the middle of the field, you know, when

939
00:43:17,378 --> 00:43:19,218
Speaker 2: the blitz came and they had to abort the play

940
00:43:19,218 --> 00:43:21,618
Speaker 2: action fake and he just rolls out and uh, you

941
00:43:21,618 --> 00:43:24,978
Speaker 2: know with his body weight, you know, flying right, he

942
00:43:25,058 --> 00:43:27,298
Speaker 2: throws back into the middle of the field left. Like

943
00:43:27,378 --> 00:43:32,218
Speaker 2: that throw is crazy. That's a crazy Josh Allen, Patrick

944
00:43:32,258 --> 00:43:36,538
Speaker 2: Mahomes like unreal throw. Right, the touchdown to Booty is

945
00:43:36,578 --> 00:43:38,777
Speaker 2: a great throw. Some of the third down throws that

946
00:43:38,818 --> 00:43:41,138
Speaker 2: you mentioned, you know, Crosser to Hunter Henry early on

947
00:43:41,178 --> 00:43:44,258
Speaker 2: in the game opening drive, scrambles for another first down

948
00:43:44,258 --> 00:43:46,777
Speaker 2: when there was nobody open. I like those types of

949
00:43:46,818 --> 00:43:50,738
Speaker 2: players are him adding to the to the situation, like

950
00:43:50,778 --> 00:43:53,738
Speaker 2: he's elevating the product, like Kaishan Boody no offense, But

951
00:43:53,858 --> 00:43:57,498
Speaker 2: like that's not He's not Randy Moss right and he

952
00:43:57,578 --> 00:44:00,618
Speaker 2: made such a perfect throw on the touchdown to Kaishan

953
00:44:00,658 --> 00:44:02,777
Speaker 2: Boody that Kashan Budy had no choice but to catch

954
00:44:02,818 --> 00:44:05,098
Speaker 2: it right. It was literally it was literally right in

955
00:44:05,138 --> 00:44:07,098
Speaker 2: his hands, like there is no way he was gonna

956
00:44:07,578 --> 00:44:09,978
Speaker 2: not come away with the football. The other thing I

957
00:44:10,018 --> 00:44:12,377
Speaker 2: would say about Drake May that almost put him on

958
00:44:12,498 --> 00:44:14,298
Speaker 2: the ups for me. I don't know about you, but

959
00:44:14,338 --> 00:44:16,458
Speaker 2: I had some people from Buffalo reach out to me

960
00:44:16,498 --> 00:44:19,098
Speaker 2: after the game that say that they're they're capital w

961
00:44:19,098 --> 00:44:21,618
Speaker 2: worried about how good Drake May played in that game.

962
00:44:21,818 --> 00:44:23,777
Speaker 4: I know they're also capital w worried about their own

963
00:44:23,778 --> 00:44:26,018
Speaker 4: football team. They were not happy about that.

964
00:44:26,138 --> 00:44:29,418
Speaker 2: No, there was boo birds at halftime, them off the field.

965
00:44:29,698 --> 00:44:31,898
Speaker 2: But a lot of people that I know in Buffalo,

966
00:44:31,938 --> 00:44:33,897
Speaker 2: you know, friends of mine, and I'm sure your friends

967
00:44:33,898 --> 00:44:35,937
Speaker 2: said the same thing. We went to school and upper

968
00:44:36,058 --> 00:44:37,858
Speaker 2: Upstate New York, so we all have we all have

969
00:44:37,858 --> 00:44:43,418
Speaker 2: friends that was more just mad about Yeah. You know

970
00:44:43,578 --> 00:44:45,938
Speaker 2: a lot of Patriots can't believe it. But a lot

971
00:44:45,978 --> 00:44:48,098
Speaker 2: of people I think in Buffalo are like, well, now

972
00:44:48,138 --> 00:44:50,938
Speaker 2: they have their own Josh Allen, so if they get

973
00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:54,578
Speaker 2: this situation around it correct. Anyways, let's get back to

974
00:44:54,658 --> 00:44:58,098
Speaker 2: the actual list here. So my number two up was

975
00:44:58,178 --> 00:45:01,898
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Farms, basically a one man pass rush in this game.

976
00:45:02,298 --> 00:45:04,857
Speaker 2: He had five quarterback pressures. Nobody else on the team

977
00:45:04,898 --> 00:45:07,938
Speaker 2: had more than one, So it was really Jeremiah Farms

978
00:45:08,058 --> 00:45:10,258
Speaker 2: getting pressure on the quarterback. I do think that was

979
00:45:10,298 --> 00:45:13,658
Speaker 2: by design that they were willing to let Jeremiah Farms

980
00:45:14,018 --> 00:45:18,258
Speaker 2: rush Josh Allen, expecting Josh Allen to go out out

981
00:45:18,378 --> 00:45:20,538
Speaker 2: of the back of the pocket rather than going up

982
00:45:20,578 --> 00:45:22,777
Speaker 2: through the middle of the pocket. So if you let

983
00:45:22,818 --> 00:45:25,218
Speaker 2: those interior guys kind of tee off a little bit

984
00:45:25,538 --> 00:45:27,738
Speaker 2: and then you keep the edges, you know, firm and

985
00:45:27,778 --> 00:45:30,458
Speaker 2: make him stay in the pocket, you have some opportunity.

986
00:45:30,618 --> 00:45:32,258
Speaker 2: He had the sack when he kind of you know,

987
00:45:32,338 --> 00:45:34,937
Speaker 2: ran into him. But I thought he was the one

988
00:45:35,018 --> 00:45:38,138
Speaker 2: guy that had impactful pressures in this game and was

989
00:45:38,138 --> 00:45:40,658
Speaker 2: getting after the quarterback a little bit. Yeah, I thought

990
00:45:40,858 --> 00:45:43,178
Speaker 2: I thought he saw a game n number three. I

991
00:45:43,218 --> 00:45:46,538
Speaker 2: did put Kaishan Boudi on here. I thought Kishan Boudi

992
00:45:47,098 --> 00:45:50,218
Speaker 2: was really good in this game. Twenty eight yard touchdown. Obviously,

993
00:45:50,298 --> 00:45:52,378
Speaker 2: he had the twenty two yarder on the crosser that

994
00:45:52,418 --> 00:45:55,058
Speaker 2: I was just talking about, where Drake May the off

995
00:45:55,098 --> 00:45:57,777
Speaker 2: platform throw, and then he had another chunk play that

996
00:45:57,858 --> 00:45:59,618
Speaker 2: was left on the field that Drake, one of his

997
00:45:59,698 --> 00:46:02,378
Speaker 2: sprays in this game, you know, missed him coming across

998
00:46:02,378 --> 00:46:05,538
Speaker 2: the field. That probably would have been another twenty twenty

999
00:46:05,578 --> 00:46:07,777
Speaker 2: five yard game at least if he hits him in

1000
00:46:07,818 --> 00:46:10,218
Speaker 2: stride there. So it almost makes up for the fact

1001
00:46:10,218 --> 00:46:12,698
Speaker 2: that thirty one of his yards came on a garbage

1002
00:46:12,698 --> 00:46:14,858
Speaker 2: play ten and a half because he should have had

1003
00:46:14,978 --> 00:46:17,578
Speaker 2: you know, the play on the chunk play that Drake

1004
00:46:17,658 --> 00:46:20,458
Speaker 2: May missed him. So I thought Kai Shan Boody has

1005
00:46:20,498 --> 00:46:24,297
Speaker 2: continued to show that he belongs in an NFL receiver room. Yeah.

1006
00:46:24,338 --> 00:46:26,218
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a starting X receiver in

1007
00:46:26,218 --> 00:46:28,818
Speaker 2: the league, but he is a receiver in the league.

1008
00:46:28,898 --> 00:46:31,857
Speaker 4: He's still just so inconsistent. Yeah, it's tough to count

1009
00:46:31,898 --> 00:46:33,978
Speaker 4: on him for anything. If he's your fourth or fifth receiver.

1010
00:46:34,458 --> 00:46:36,898
Speaker 4: Throwing him out there ten fifteen snaps a game kind

1011
00:46:36,898 --> 00:46:39,778
Speaker 4: of his insurance. I think that's probably the role for him.

1012
00:46:40,258 --> 00:46:42,298
Speaker 4: This is kind of what we've seen from him his

1013
00:46:42,578 --> 00:46:45,178
Speaker 4: whole two years here. There's moments where he looks great,

1014
00:46:45,258 --> 00:46:48,178
Speaker 4: but there's just not enough of them strung together.

1015
00:46:48,778 --> 00:46:50,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. All right, let's go to the downs.

1016
00:46:50,858 --> 00:46:53,337
Speaker 2: You got seventeen of them, So Harry, I have five.

1017
00:46:53,378 --> 00:46:57,818
Speaker 4: It's really for ramondre Stevenson number one. I so we

1018
00:46:57,858 --> 00:46:58,898
Speaker 4: haven't talked about.

1019
00:46:58,738 --> 00:47:00,658
Speaker 2: It was tough for me. Sorry to cut you off,

1020
00:47:00,658 --> 00:47:04,138
Speaker 2: but he also had a ridiculous fourteen yard touchdown run. Yeah,

1021
00:47:04,458 --> 00:47:06,458
Speaker 2: so I was. I kind of love the defense about him.

1022
00:47:06,938 --> 00:47:11,658
Speaker 4: So through his first I think he's too. Have this

1023
00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:14,337
Speaker 4: written down through his first two hundred and ninety nine

1024
00:47:14,418 --> 00:47:17,378
Speaker 4: career care I'll do it this way. Through his first three.

1025
00:47:17,338 --> 00:47:21,857
Speaker 2: NFL seasons, Yes, he had seven fumbles. Yeah, this year

1026
00:47:22,618 --> 00:47:25,377
Speaker 2: he has seven fumbles. Yeah, it's it's a real Yeah.

1027
00:47:25,378 --> 00:47:28,058
Speaker 4: In his first three hundred and ninety nine career carries,

1028
00:47:28,098 --> 00:47:29,938
Speaker 4: he had seven fumbles. In the last two hundred five,

1029
00:47:29,978 --> 00:47:32,418
Speaker 4: he has seven, almost hat like twice the fumble rate.

1030
00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:36,138
Speaker 2: I also, so we haven't talked about the backwards lateral

1031
00:47:36,138 --> 00:47:37,858
Speaker 2: play yet.

1032
00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:41,378
Speaker 4: I call me a sucker if you want. I kind

1033
00:47:41,418 --> 00:47:43,658
Speaker 4: of believe Alex van Pelt. I take his side on this.

1034
00:47:44,098 --> 00:47:45,138
Speaker 4: Is it a great play to call?

1035
00:47:45,178 --> 00:47:45,297
Speaker 2: There?

1036
00:47:45,418 --> 00:47:48,138
Speaker 4: No, I see what they're going for. The Bills are

1037
00:47:48,138 --> 00:47:50,618
Speaker 4: getting really aggressive in their rush. They're trying to catch

1038
00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:53,498
Speaker 4: the Bills coming upfield, throw something quick behind him and

1039
00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:57,857
Speaker 4: get going. I would have probably called just a traditional

1040
00:47:58,458 --> 00:48:01,698
Speaker 4: half back slip screen, will slip screen. I think that

1041
00:48:02,178 --> 00:48:05,297
Speaker 4: is less risky. It achieves the same goal. Now that

1042
00:48:05,338 --> 00:48:08,938
Speaker 4: being said, every why would you call backwards pass in

1043
00:48:08,978 --> 00:48:11,817
Speaker 4: that situation? It's not supposed to be a backwards pass.

1044
00:48:12,218 --> 00:48:15,978
Speaker 4: Ramandre Stevenson sunk his rat. Why did Ramandre Stevenson sink

1045
00:48:16,018 --> 00:48:18,338
Speaker 4: his route? I'm gonna combine my first two downs because

1046
00:48:18,378 --> 00:48:21,458
Speaker 4: Demandre Jacobs, who's the other one, misses the cut block,

1047
00:48:21,538 --> 00:48:24,698
Speaker 4: and Stevenson sens is the pressure steps back. Something of

1048
00:48:24,698 --> 00:48:26,777
Speaker 4: this is on Drake two. You got to either lead

1049
00:48:26,858 --> 00:48:28,498
Speaker 4: him forward or throw that ball at his feet or

1050
00:48:28,538 --> 00:48:31,058
Speaker 4: throw it away. Should van Pel, I'll have a better

1051
00:48:31,098 --> 00:48:33,858
Speaker 4: read on the personnel. You're asking Demontrey Jacobs, who's had

1052
00:48:33,898 --> 00:48:36,377
Speaker 4: a rough game to cut block a great edge rusher, Like, yeah,

1053
00:48:36,538 --> 00:48:39,138
Speaker 4: Van Pel's not innocent in this either, But let's not

1054
00:48:39,258 --> 00:48:40,938
Speaker 4: act like they were like, Oh, yeah, we're gonna throw

1055
00:48:40,978 --> 00:48:43,618
Speaker 4: the ball backwards four yards because that's a good play. Yeah,

1056
00:48:43,658 --> 00:48:48,138
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be a very basic half back flat route.

1057
00:48:48,538 --> 00:48:52,937
Speaker 4: The execution I don't know. I couldn't think that word.

1058
00:48:53,058 --> 00:48:56,218
Speaker 4: The execution is blown at three levels and I think

1059
00:48:56,258 --> 00:48:58,178
Speaker 4: that and on top of that, I know we got hit,

1060
00:48:58,258 --> 00:49:00,698
Speaker 4: but my rule ball hits in both hands, catch it,

1061
00:49:01,218 --> 00:49:03,698
Speaker 4: and that goes to there are some drops elsewhere in

1062
00:49:03,698 --> 00:49:06,458
Speaker 4: the game, frankly goes to Drake May's fumble too, Like

1063
00:49:07,018 --> 00:49:09,698
Speaker 4: I thought, ste if I'm assigning blame on that play

1064
00:49:09,818 --> 00:49:14,058
Speaker 4: to Monterrey, Jacobs is number one to me, Stevenson's number two,

1065
00:49:14,658 --> 00:49:17,857
Speaker 4: then Van Pelt, then Drake. Was it the best play call?

1066
00:49:18,058 --> 00:49:18,098
Speaker 6: No?

1067
00:49:19,538 --> 00:49:21,498
Speaker 4: And this is a line we've kind of walked this

1068
00:49:21,618 --> 00:49:25,578
Speaker 4: year where on one hand, you say, okay, but know

1069
00:49:25,618 --> 00:49:27,897
Speaker 4: who your personnel are. If you can't execute it, don't

1070
00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:31,698
Speaker 4: call it. But if you're in that camp, you can't

1071
00:49:31,738 --> 00:49:35,658
Speaker 4: complain that the play callings to Vanilla, right, because if

1072
00:49:35,698 --> 00:49:38,538
Speaker 4: you're just calling off the talent, that leaves a lot

1073
00:49:38,538 --> 00:49:41,897
Speaker 4: of things off your play sheet. So for what they are,

1074
00:49:42,058 --> 00:49:43,898
Speaker 4: a three and eleven team trying to pull an upset again,

1075
00:49:43,938 --> 00:49:48,218
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have called that exact play, but they tried something.

1076
00:49:48,458 --> 00:49:51,538
Speaker 4: They they took a shot at something. I don't fault

1077
00:49:51,578 --> 00:49:54,458
Speaker 4: the play call a ton there a little bit because

1078
00:49:54,458 --> 00:49:56,377
Speaker 4: I think could have been better, but not a ton

1079
00:49:56,418 --> 00:49:58,058
Speaker 4: because if you're only gonna call, you can do off

1080
00:49:58,058 --> 00:49:59,978
Speaker 4: the personnel. They're really just not gonna be running that

1081
00:50:00,018 --> 00:50:00,578
Speaker 4: many plays.

1082
00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:04,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did in the moment. The reason why

1083
00:50:04,258 --> 00:50:07,378
Speaker 2: I wasn't like totally critical of it was because they

1084
00:50:07,378 --> 00:50:10,618
Speaker 2: had a drive earlier after the Mapu interception where they

1085
00:50:10,618 --> 00:50:14,058
Speaker 2: were backed up and Drake May threw two really solid

1086
00:50:14,138 --> 00:50:16,618
Speaker 2: passes backed up in his own end zone, one of

1087
00:50:16,658 --> 00:50:18,458
Speaker 2: them with his feet in the end zone to get

1088
00:50:19,178 --> 00:50:22,618
Speaker 2: is that the great throat? Yeah, that was a great

1089
00:50:22,698 --> 00:50:24,698
Speaker 2: throw and the third down throat. He was really good.

1090
00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:27,018
Speaker 4: Sorry just on Drakes, you didn't touch on it. He

1091
00:50:27,098 --> 00:50:29,178
Speaker 4: was really good outside the numbers in this game, which

1092
00:50:29,218 --> 00:50:29,817
Speaker 4: is a ton of fun.

1093
00:50:29,898 --> 00:50:33,018
Speaker 2: Yeah. He made a throw on third down to Austin

1094
00:50:33,058 --> 00:50:35,538
Speaker 2: Hooper on a little stick route where he throws it before,

1095
00:50:35,738 --> 00:50:39,178
Speaker 2: like with anticipation, before Hooper came out of his break

1096
00:50:39,378 --> 00:50:41,978
Speaker 2: from like his five yard line. Like, that's a ballsy throw,

1097
00:50:42,258 --> 00:50:44,817
Speaker 2: right for a rookie quarterback to to just let that

1098
00:50:44,858 --> 00:50:47,698
Speaker 2: thing go and trust that your receiver is gonna get

1099
00:50:47,738 --> 00:50:50,378
Speaker 2: open and that it's gonna hit off, you know, correctly.

1100
00:50:50,418 --> 00:50:53,938
Speaker 2: So watching how poised he was in that situation earlier

1101
00:50:53,938 --> 00:50:56,218
Speaker 2: on in the game, I had no problem with him

1102
00:50:56,258 --> 00:50:59,098
Speaker 2: trying to throw later on in the game because he

1103
00:50:59,138 --> 00:51:01,258
Speaker 2: already proved that he could do it in this environment.

1104
00:51:01,778 --> 00:51:04,858
Speaker 2: The only the only little nitpick that I had of

1105
00:51:04,938 --> 00:51:07,538
Speaker 2: Drake May, and I thought Van Pelt said it well

1106
00:51:07,618 --> 00:51:10,818
Speaker 2: about the fumble. It was he was a little fast,

1107
00:51:10,938 --> 00:51:13,138
Speaker 2: like that's probably one, yeah, that he was a little

1108
00:51:13,138 --> 00:51:15,458
Speaker 2: sped up on. And you should probably at least confirm

1109
00:51:15,578 --> 00:51:17,898
Speaker 2: that the end is cut before you throw the ball,

1110
00:51:18,258 --> 00:51:20,298
Speaker 2: because if you're Drake May, and I've heard, you know,

1111
00:51:20,338 --> 00:51:22,698
Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer said throw it at his feet. Well, it's

1112
00:51:22,738 --> 00:51:24,698
Speaker 2: a backward pass. Have you thrown at his feet? Right?

1113
00:51:24,698 --> 00:51:26,618
Speaker 2: He likes either way, it's a fumble.

1114
00:51:26,778 --> 00:51:29,018
Speaker 4: When you throw a roll out, throw it at a bounds,

1115
00:51:29,058 --> 00:51:30,618
Speaker 4: you probably have somebody in the backs.

1116
00:51:30,858 --> 00:51:33,618
Speaker 2: Like run it for a no gain sack or something,

1117
00:51:33,618 --> 00:51:35,938
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, there's other options to

1118
00:51:35,978 --> 00:51:37,897
Speaker 2: eat it without throwing it behind the line.

1119
00:51:37,898 --> 00:51:40,138
Speaker 4: One other take on that Drake May did this once.

1120
00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:43,298
Speaker 4: But I saw this a ton in the NFL the

1121
00:51:43,378 --> 00:51:46,018
Speaker 4: last few weeks and in college. Have you noticed this

1122
00:51:46,178 --> 00:51:49,218
Speaker 4: rising trend of quarterbacks running out of bounds behind the

1123
00:51:49,218 --> 00:51:49,898
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage?

1124
00:51:51,298 --> 00:51:53,218
Speaker 2: It was it this week or in Arizona. That is

1125
00:51:53,258 --> 00:51:53,618
Speaker 2: this week.

1126
00:51:53,698 --> 00:51:55,618
Speaker 4: You might have done in Arizona too, but it happened

1127
00:51:55,658 --> 00:51:57,658
Speaker 4: a couple of times in the college games. It happened.

1128
00:51:58,458 --> 00:51:59,378
Speaker 2: I think CJ.

1129
00:51:59,498 --> 00:52:00,058
Speaker 4: Stroud did it.

1130
00:52:00,058 --> 00:52:02,258
Speaker 2: Against the Chiefs last week. I hate it. I actually

1131
00:52:02,298 --> 00:52:04,777
Speaker 2: might have counted it as a minus player and I

1132
00:52:04,778 --> 00:52:05,138
Speaker 2: hate it.

1133
00:52:05,178 --> 00:52:06,778
Speaker 4: I don't know why this is suddenly a thing. I

1134
00:52:06,778 --> 00:52:08,378
Speaker 4: don't know if it's stat padding, I don't know what

1135
00:52:08,418 --> 00:52:10,978
Speaker 4: it is. If you're like toe on the line, just

1136
00:52:11,098 --> 00:52:13,018
Speaker 4: flick it, just flick it out of bounds.

1137
00:52:13,258 --> 00:52:14,938
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I mean

1138
00:52:14,978 --> 00:52:17,058
Speaker 2: in this game it was a one yard loss. Compared

1139
00:52:17,098 --> 00:52:18,938
Speaker 2: to it, he wasn't as egregious as some of the

1140
00:52:18,978 --> 00:52:21,098
Speaker 2: other ones I've seen. Anyway, that was a side. You know,

1141
00:52:21,098 --> 00:52:23,178
Speaker 2: he has done it a couple of times. We're being

1142
00:52:23,178 --> 00:52:26,218
Speaker 2: a little critical on Drake though, so it's gonna reel back. No.

1143
00:52:26,218 --> 00:52:29,498
Speaker 4: No, I honestly, I really meant that as like there

1144
00:52:29,498 --> 00:52:31,658
Speaker 4: were some not Drake. It just made me think of it,

1145
00:52:31,698 --> 00:52:35,378
Speaker 4: some really egregious ones elsewhere around the league. This has

1146
00:52:35,378 --> 00:52:37,458
Speaker 4: been a trend. Like I really think the whole year,

1147
00:52:37,618 --> 00:52:38,898
Speaker 4: I didn't see Mahomes do it.

1148
00:52:38,978 --> 00:52:41,458
Speaker 2: Bad coaching. What do we do it. Yeah. Yeah, a

1149
00:52:41,498 --> 00:52:43,818
Speaker 2: lot of these quarterbacks, I think too, you know that

1150
00:52:43,858 --> 00:52:47,218
Speaker 2: are mobile. Everybody's mobile now at that position for the

1151
00:52:47,218 --> 00:52:50,297
Speaker 2: most part. And so I wonder how much of it

1152
00:52:50,338 --> 00:52:53,098
Speaker 2: is is that they get out the pocket, have their

1153
00:52:53,138 --> 00:52:55,218
Speaker 2: eyes downfield trying to make a play, and they kind

1154
00:52:55,218 --> 00:52:58,698
Speaker 2: of lose where they are relative to the line of scrimmage,

1155
00:52:58,778 --> 00:53:01,298
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think that's an element

1156
00:53:01,338 --> 00:53:03,777
Speaker 2: of it. Two. And like, if you're in that situation,

1157
00:53:04,978 --> 00:53:07,818
Speaker 2: if you're running up the field, like you feel yourself

1158
00:53:07,898 --> 00:53:09,938
Speaker 2: running up the field right, so you can probably think

1159
00:53:09,938 --> 00:53:11,938
Speaker 2: to yourself, oh, I'm definitely pass the line of scrimmage

1160
00:53:11,938 --> 00:53:14,258
Speaker 2: at this point, when you're really not because you drop

1161
00:53:14,338 --> 00:53:16,898
Speaker 2: back so far right, you lost so much ground in

1162
00:53:16,938 --> 00:53:19,978
Speaker 2: your drop. Anyways, I still had Drake for eleven plus

1163
00:53:20,058 --> 00:53:22,138
Speaker 2: place to seven minus. He was still in that positive

1164
00:53:22,178 --> 00:53:23,898
Speaker 2: in this game. So I don't want to make it

1165
00:53:23,938 --> 00:53:26,337
Speaker 2: sound like we're ragging on him too much. But now

1166
00:53:26,378 --> 00:53:28,458
Speaker 2: that they get into these games, to your point about

1167
00:53:28,458 --> 00:53:31,658
Speaker 2: the in game coaching, like these these four or five plays,

1168
00:53:31,898 --> 00:53:33,938
Speaker 2: I think that was another thing that Mayor Van Pelt

1169
00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:37,098
Speaker 2: said today. They basically lost this game because of like

1170
00:53:37,138 --> 00:53:39,338
Speaker 2: four or five plays, right, and that. That's what it

1171
00:53:39,378 --> 00:53:42,058
Speaker 2: comes down to. My number one down in this game.

1172
00:53:42,098 --> 00:53:46,058
Speaker 2: You mentioned him already was Trey Jacobs. Was this was tough.

1173
00:53:46,098 --> 00:53:48,138
Speaker 2: This was a tough go of it for Trey Jacobs.

1174
00:53:48,578 --> 00:53:52,538
Speaker 2: Five quarterback pressures, two quarterback hits, two false starts, and

1175
00:53:52,618 --> 00:53:55,738
Speaker 2: the blown chop block also cut block whatever you want

1176
00:53:55,738 --> 00:53:57,338
Speaker 2: to call it. I call it cut block as a

1177
00:53:57,378 --> 00:54:01,378
Speaker 2: chop box. I legal cut block on Greg Russo on

1178
00:54:01,378 --> 00:54:06,417
Speaker 2: the fumble six. So just some really non competitive reps too.

1179
00:54:06,738 --> 00:54:09,018
Speaker 2: I think that's what stood out the most to me. Look,

1180
00:54:09,058 --> 00:54:11,458
Speaker 2: five pressures isn't the worst game I've ever seen from

1181
00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:13,378
Speaker 2: a tackle. I mean there's been times the guys have

1182
00:54:13,418 --> 00:54:16,857
Speaker 2: been in the double digits, so it's not horrible in

1183
00:54:16,858 --> 00:54:20,098
Speaker 2: that respect. But he had four or five reps against

1184
00:54:20,138 --> 00:54:22,458
Speaker 2: von Miller where he didn't even get his hand on

1185
00:54:22,578 --> 00:54:24,618
Speaker 2: von Miller as he was coming around the edge, Like

1186
00:54:24,698 --> 00:54:28,378
Speaker 2: just non competitive blowbys. Those can't happen, Like you have

1187
00:54:28,458 --> 00:54:30,858
Speaker 2: to at least be a traffic on right, You have

1188
00:54:30,898 --> 00:54:33,858
Speaker 2: to at least get him to go and widen the

1189
00:54:33,938 --> 00:54:36,738
Speaker 2: rush a little bit, Like you can't just have these

1190
00:54:36,778 --> 00:54:39,858
Speaker 2: no contest rushes like he did in this game. So

1191
00:54:41,178 --> 00:54:43,698
Speaker 2: Kidden Wallace if if he's starting to heat up a

1192
00:54:43,698 --> 00:54:46,458
Speaker 2: little bit in practice. I definitely do think that this

1193
00:54:46,818 --> 00:54:49,618
Speaker 2: is the type of game where you could consider making

1194
00:54:49,618 --> 00:54:51,258
Speaker 2: a move. Now, they're going to have a new center

1195
00:54:51,378 --> 00:54:54,378
Speaker 2: already in cal Strange it sounds like for Sunday, so

1196
00:54:54,418 --> 00:54:56,857
Speaker 2: that would be two new starters. But look, you're three

1197
00:54:56,938 --> 00:54:59,058
Speaker 2: and three and twelve and you have two games to

1198
00:54:59,098 --> 00:55:03,618
Speaker 2: go in the season. It's not really right whatever point, Yeah,

1199
00:55:03,618 --> 00:55:04,938
Speaker 2: all right, number two down.

1200
00:55:06,138 --> 00:55:08,938
Speaker 4: Well, so I had steems in Jacob's Kyle Duggar. Yeah,

1201
00:55:09,178 --> 00:55:13,297
Speaker 4: he had one play in this game where I think

1202
00:55:13,338 --> 00:55:15,898
Speaker 4: it was knocks catches the pass and the flat and

1203
00:55:15,938 --> 00:55:18,418
Speaker 4: Dugger runs right up and sticks him. Yeah, no, shars,

1204
00:55:18,618 --> 00:55:20,938
Speaker 4: Where has that guy been? Yeah, that's the Kyle Dugger

1205
00:55:20,978 --> 00:55:23,698
Speaker 4: I know. But missed another couple more tackles. He just

1206
00:55:23,738 --> 00:55:24,738
Speaker 4: he still doesn't look right.

1207
00:55:25,578 --> 00:55:28,018
Speaker 2: He's playing through something. I think that's pretty clear at

1208
00:55:28,018 --> 00:55:30,658
Speaker 2: this point. I just had my number two, and I

1209
00:55:30,698 --> 00:55:32,338
Speaker 2: just had the run defense as a whole. I just

1210
00:55:32,418 --> 00:55:36,738
Speaker 2: think everybody just stunk in that regard. You know, eight misstackles,

1211
00:55:36,738 --> 00:55:39,178
Speaker 2: like I mentioned earlier, in the run game, four of

1212
00:55:39,178 --> 00:55:41,378
Speaker 2: them would have been tackles for loss. You give up

1213
00:55:41,378 --> 00:55:44,458
Speaker 2: a forty six yard touchdown in this game. In the

1214
00:55:44,538 --> 00:55:47,258
Speaker 2: run game, and to your point, the Bills could have

1215
00:55:47,338 --> 00:55:48,218
Speaker 2: ran the ball all day long.

1216
00:55:48,258 --> 00:55:48,618
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

1217
00:55:48,938 --> 00:55:51,018
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't either. I don't I

1218
00:55:51,298 --> 00:55:53,418
Speaker 2: expect the Chargers to run the ball all day long

1219
00:55:53,458 --> 00:55:56,698
Speaker 2: on Saturday. Like this run defense is just it's just bad.

1220
00:55:56,898 --> 00:55:59,618
Speaker 2: Like it's just a bad run defense. So I would

1221
00:55:59,658 --> 00:56:02,258
Speaker 2: definitely anticipate the Chargers to run the ball a ton.

1222
00:56:02,338 --> 00:56:03,618
Speaker 2: All Right, what else do you got?

1223
00:56:03,978 --> 00:56:06,297
Speaker 4: I had Marte Mopu just for running the interception out.

1224
00:56:06,338 --> 00:56:08,698
Speaker 4: He didn't have a bad game, that was he had.

1225
00:56:09,298 --> 00:56:12,218
Speaker 2: He had one of the most eventful games. I think

1226
00:56:12,258 --> 00:56:14,218
Speaker 2: that was a good way to put it. I've ever charted.

1227
00:56:14,298 --> 00:56:17,578
Speaker 2: Like there was some plays where he was just really

1228
00:56:17,618 --> 00:56:20,858
Speaker 2: good on the play right, like the crosser that he

1229
00:56:20,938 --> 00:56:23,338
Speaker 2: undercut where he almost picked it off again on the

1230
00:56:23,378 --> 00:56:27,138
Speaker 2: next drive after the interception, was a really good coverage rep. Like,

1231
00:56:27,178 --> 00:56:29,898
Speaker 2: that's a really good rep. He had some really high

1232
00:56:30,018 --> 00:56:33,058
Speaker 2: level play in this game, even the interception, Like does

1233
00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:35,178
Speaker 2: a nice job of playing the post and you know,

1234
00:56:35,378 --> 00:56:38,738
Speaker 2: just not getting baited out or anything like that and

1235
00:56:38,818 --> 00:56:40,297
Speaker 2: just sit there and wait for the ball to come

1236
00:56:40,298 --> 00:56:42,658
Speaker 2: to you. Some really good plays in this game. And

1237
00:56:42,698 --> 00:56:45,898
Speaker 2: then he also had some really knucklehead plays in this game,

1238
00:56:46,458 --> 00:56:49,098
Speaker 2: so he was a tough one. Yeah, and then I just.

1239
00:56:49,018 --> 00:56:51,458
Speaker 4: Had the game management, which we already talked about.

1240
00:56:51,498 --> 00:56:53,897
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have one more down that you're gonna love,

1241
00:56:54,018 --> 00:56:56,578
Speaker 2: Oh boy, Josh Allen. I have one more down that

1242
00:56:56,618 --> 00:57:00,978
Speaker 2: you're gonna love, Josh Allen. Josh Allen. Let's go, Josh Allen.

1243
00:57:01,138 --> 00:57:05,898
Speaker 2: And I don't mean to like, you know, glasshouses, right,

1244
00:57:06,018 --> 00:57:08,538
Speaker 2: I get it, but I'm a big Josh Allen fan,

1245
00:57:08,778 --> 00:57:12,777
Speaker 2: as you know, much to your chagrin, this was one

1246
00:57:12,778 --> 00:57:14,777
Speaker 2: of the worst Josh Allen games I've seen him play

1247
00:57:14,818 --> 00:57:17,538
Speaker 2: against the Patriots since he became Josh Allen. Right, we're

1248
00:57:17,578 --> 00:57:21,738
Speaker 2: talking about rookie year Josh Allen, second year Josh Allen.

1249
00:57:22,218 --> 00:57:25,058
Speaker 2: With this game. He missed a lot of plays in

1250
00:57:25,098 --> 00:57:27,218
Speaker 2: this game. He left a lot of plays on the field.

1251
00:57:27,498 --> 00:57:31,058
Speaker 2: You know, some egregiously wide open receiver type misses a

1252
00:57:31,098 --> 00:57:34,098
Speaker 2: couple of times. And I just felt like the Patriots,

1253
00:57:34,458 --> 00:57:37,098
Speaker 2: to their credit, baited him into playing a lot of

1254
00:57:37,138 --> 00:57:40,498
Speaker 2: hero ball in this game. You know, old Josh Allen

1255
00:57:40,578 --> 00:57:43,418
Speaker 2: gonna roll right, chuck it, you know, twenty forty five,

1256
00:57:43,618 --> 00:57:46,698
Speaker 2: fifty yards down the field, you know, low percentage throws.

1257
00:57:46,738 --> 00:57:49,058
Speaker 2: He had one on the wheel. You mentioned that Christian

1258
00:57:49,098 --> 00:57:51,578
Speaker 2: Ellis was in good position on he had a couple

1259
00:57:51,658 --> 00:57:54,618
Speaker 2: to Shakir that just had no chance of being cat.

1260
00:57:54,818 --> 00:57:56,578
Speaker 2: I don't care that it's an arm punt, Like the

1261
00:57:56,658 --> 00:57:59,738
Speaker 2: interception was another one where you know, find a profit.

1262
00:57:59,858 --> 00:58:01,738
Speaker 4: Let's the CBS said, what an arm punt?

1263
00:58:01,738 --> 00:58:01,938
Speaker 2: Wow?

1264
00:58:01,978 --> 00:58:03,898
Speaker 4: Because you can't you can't say Josh threw a pick.

1265
00:58:04,218 --> 00:58:07,498
Speaker 2: So on the one hand, I tested you this on Monday,

1266
00:58:08,058 --> 00:58:10,898
Speaker 2: the Patriots finally got a bad Josh Allen game, Like,

1267
00:58:10,978 --> 00:58:13,578
Speaker 2: this was the first bad Josh Allen game that I

1268
00:58:13,618 --> 00:58:15,858
Speaker 2: think I've seen him have against the Pats in a

1269
00:58:15,898 --> 00:58:19,378
Speaker 2: long long time. Now, the downside is they didn't win it, right,

1270
00:58:19,218 --> 00:58:21,978
Speaker 2: Like he kind of handed him an off game by

1271
00:58:22,018 --> 00:58:24,658
Speaker 2: his standards, and they still didn't win the game, which

1272
00:58:24,738 --> 00:58:27,538
Speaker 2: is a bummer. But I was I was disappointed in

1273
00:58:27,618 --> 00:58:29,458
Speaker 2: my guy. He did not play well in this game.

1274
00:58:30,098 --> 00:58:33,938
Speaker 2: So I had Josh Allen. Yeah. Also, like you know,

1275
00:58:34,338 --> 00:58:38,578
Speaker 2: a couple honorable mentions, Joe Brady honorable mention, another guy

1276
00:58:38,578 --> 00:58:41,378
Speaker 2: that I really like. The one thing I'll give them,

1277
00:58:41,778 --> 00:58:43,818
Speaker 2: I don't think they necessarily thought they had to run

1278
00:58:43,898 --> 00:58:46,138
Speaker 2: Josh Allen in this game to win it, so they

1279
00:58:46,178 --> 00:58:48,498
Speaker 2: kind of put the quarterback run stuff on the back

1280
00:58:48,538 --> 00:58:50,058
Speaker 2: burner and to get him through the.

1281
00:58:50,018 --> 00:58:51,658
Speaker 4: Game could have run traditional runs.

1282
00:58:51,738 --> 00:58:56,418
Speaker 2: So that wasn't completely the Bills offense unleashed like we

1283
00:58:56,458 --> 00:58:59,058
Speaker 2: saw against the Rams and the Lions. That was sort

1284
00:58:59,058 --> 00:59:01,258
Speaker 2: of like a watered down version of the Bills offense.

1285
00:59:01,298 --> 00:59:03,698
Speaker 2: But I thought that was a big reason why they

1286
00:59:03,698 --> 00:59:05,458
Speaker 2: got off to such a bad start in this game

1287
00:59:05,618 --> 00:59:07,778
Speaker 2: was because they didn't really play their game. They sort

1288
00:59:07,818 --> 00:59:10,178
Speaker 2: of just put in the four corners offense and thought

1289
00:59:10,218 --> 00:59:13,178
Speaker 2: that they were gonna roll because the Patriots stink, you know,

1290
00:59:13,258 --> 00:59:15,338
Speaker 2: like and they they did in the second half to

1291
00:59:16,218 --> 00:59:19,578
Speaker 2: some degree, but still they left that door open to

1292
00:59:19,578 --> 00:59:21,978
Speaker 2: get upset in a game they had no business to lose,

1293
00:59:22,418 --> 00:59:24,178
Speaker 2: and a lot of that I felt like was on

1294
00:59:24,218 --> 00:59:28,178
Speaker 2: the quarterback and the offensive play caller a couple, you know.

1295
00:59:28,218 --> 00:59:31,378
Speaker 2: I thought that Rumandra Stevenson was another one that I considered.

1296
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Speaker 2: The reason why I didn't put Remandre on my list

1297
00:59:33,818 --> 00:59:35,578
Speaker 2: is because the fourteen yard touchdown run was.

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Speaker 4: Just I considered not but I just with if it

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Speaker 4: was like a second or third fund of the year,

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Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't have, but yeah, because he has faster.

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Speaker 2: Yep. So that concludes three up, three down. I do

1302
00:59:48,618 --> 00:59:51,138
Speaker 2: want to discuss a couple of other things with the Patriots,

1303
00:59:51,138 --> 00:59:53,178
Speaker 2: but I know we have you know, callers and stuff

1304
00:59:53,178 --> 00:59:55,298
Speaker 2: like that, so we'll get to you guys here in

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Speaker 2: just a second. But at first, Bridgestone, the official tire

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Speaker 2: year is almost here, it's time to get a first

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Speaker 2: start with Bob's Discount's Furniture. Start your twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: off right by picking up stylish storage that will take

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Speaker 2: at Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the

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Speaker 2: Newland Patriots. I might need one of those storage units

1318
01:00:34,698 --> 01:00:36,898
Speaker 2: like we got we have, like you know our we

1319
01:00:36,978 --> 01:00:40,858
Speaker 2: have like an office slash second bedroom situation, and man,

1320
01:00:40,898 --> 01:00:43,178
Speaker 2: there's stuff everywhere in that room. So maybe i'll I'll

1321
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Speaker 2: go to bots try to buy a storage union. All right,

1322
01:00:45,458 --> 01:00:49,098
Speaker 2: let's get to the phones here, Patty is an aguam.

1323
01:00:49,138 --> 01:00:49,858
Speaker 2: What's up? Patty?

1324
01:00:51,898 --> 01:00:52,938
Speaker 7: Hey guys, it's going on.

1325
01:00:53,178 --> 01:00:54,218
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

1326
01:00:55,738 --> 01:00:58,258
Speaker 7: So my question you were just talking about the guy

1327
01:00:58,298 --> 01:01:01,218
Speaker 7: I was gonna ask a question about, which is Remandre Stevenson.

1328
01:01:02,778 --> 01:01:05,978
Speaker 7: I know it's not really a team friendly contract, but

1329
01:01:06,018 --> 01:01:08,618
Speaker 7: it's a decent enough contract. Where do you guys think

1330
01:01:09,658 --> 01:01:11,538
Speaker 7: they have there's a chance that might move on from

1331
01:01:11,578 --> 01:01:15,778
Speaker 7: them after this year, do to his bumbling problems or

1332
01:01:16,498 --> 01:01:17,738
Speaker 7: or do you think they try and get him some

1333
01:01:17,778 --> 01:01:20,018
Speaker 7: help in the off season, Like I had the idea

1334
01:01:20,978 --> 01:01:24,218
Speaker 7: on John Rook Show on Tuesday, maybe looking them up

1335
01:01:24,258 --> 01:01:27,618
Speaker 7: with somebody like Peaky Barber who had bumbling problems early

1336
01:01:27,658 --> 01:01:30,258
Speaker 7: in his career. And then I don't know what he did,

1337
01:01:30,298 --> 01:01:33,098
Speaker 7: but like he shored it up, and that's all I got.

1338
01:01:33,098 --> 01:01:36,818
Speaker 7: I'll take it off the year, guys, and happy holidays.

1339
01:01:36,258 --> 01:01:39,618
Speaker 2: Man, Thanks Patty, thanks for the call. Yeah, and happy

1340
01:01:39,658 --> 01:01:42,378
Speaker 2: holidays to you too. Look, the Remondre thing is uh

1341
01:01:42,578 --> 01:01:46,458
Speaker 2: is a concern with the fumbles. It's not even early

1342
01:01:46,498 --> 01:01:48,058
Speaker 2: on in his career though, Like I feel like Tiki

1343
01:01:48,098 --> 01:01:51,058
Speaker 2: Barber was right out of the gate. Againmondre had as

1344
01:01:51,138 --> 01:01:53,138
Speaker 2: many fumbles in his first three years as he did

1345
01:01:53,138 --> 01:01:54,978
Speaker 2: this year. This is kind of new. Yeah, it's a

1346
01:01:55,018 --> 01:01:57,698
Speaker 2: new thing. I don't know what it is. You know,

1347
01:01:57,778 --> 01:02:00,938
Speaker 2: his running style, he does invite a crowd, and I

1348
01:02:00,978 --> 01:02:03,818
Speaker 2: think now people know that. So when you have two

1349
01:02:03,858 --> 01:02:06,538
Speaker 2: three guys around the ball, not everybody has to tackle him,

1350
01:02:06,578 --> 01:02:08,738
Speaker 2: so they some guys are going to start punching for

1351
01:02:08,778 --> 01:02:11,778
Speaker 2: the ball and start doing that sort of thing. I

1352
01:02:12,178 --> 01:02:15,898
Speaker 2: like Antonio Gibson, I do. I think Antonio Gibson's a solid,

1353
01:02:16,018 --> 01:02:20,378
Speaker 2: uh change of pace back. So I don't know what

1354
01:02:20,418 --> 01:02:22,738
Speaker 2: the answer is, Like maybe maybe you get a third

1355
01:02:22,778 --> 01:02:25,378
Speaker 2: running back in here. But you know, now you're really

1356
01:02:25,458 --> 01:02:28,778
Speaker 2: talking about replacing Ramandre Stevenson, hoping that that draft pick

1357
01:02:28,858 --> 01:02:31,338
Speaker 2: is better, you know, Like, I don't think that that's

1358
01:02:31,418 --> 01:02:34,658
Speaker 2: necessarily so much about helping him, Like I think Gibson's

1359
01:02:34,698 --> 01:02:35,578
Speaker 2: been enough of help.

1360
01:02:36,338 --> 01:02:38,938
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's he's already been a spellback. You're not

1361
01:02:38,938 --> 01:02:40,738
Speaker 4: gonna spell him anymore. He can't really get out of

1362
01:02:40,738 --> 01:02:43,378
Speaker 4: that contract. You're not gonna sit him on that contract. Yeah,

1363
01:02:43,698 --> 01:02:46,058
Speaker 4: he just has to work through it. Like he's gonna

1364
01:02:46,058 --> 01:02:47,858
Speaker 4: be here and after next year it's another conversation, but

1365
01:02:47,858 --> 01:02:49,938
Speaker 4: he's gonna be here next year, and there really is

1366
01:02:50,058 --> 01:02:51,818
Speaker 4: much of an option besides him working through it.

1367
01:02:52,338 --> 01:02:55,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Colleen is in Houston. What's up, Colleen?

1368
01:02:57,298 --> 01:02:58,418
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

1369
01:02:58,578 --> 01:02:59,178
Speaker 2: Hey? Yes?

1370
01:03:00,818 --> 01:03:01,298
Speaker 8: Perfect?

1371
01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:05,138
Speaker 6: Okay, So I have a couple comments and then questions.

1372
01:03:05,178 --> 01:03:09,978
Speaker 6: So my comment is I would agree with Alex about

1373
01:03:10,178 --> 01:03:16,098
Speaker 6: like getting a winning record or not record, but oh,

1374
01:03:16,138 --> 01:03:21,858
Speaker 6: winning DNA is great. But if they win against Mitch Trubisky,

1375
01:03:22,018 --> 01:03:28,338
Speaker 6: who sucks like, that's not gonna give the locker room

1376
01:03:28,418 --> 01:03:32,538
Speaker 6: a boost anyway. But my question is, so you guys

1377
01:03:32,618 --> 01:03:38,018
Speaker 6: like Will Campbell, which is great, but he apparently is

1378
01:03:38,178 --> 01:03:42,138
Speaker 6: small arms, So how do you feel about Kelvin Banks?

1379
01:03:42,378 --> 01:03:47,938
Speaker 6: And then also, Joe Tooney is currently playing left tackle

1380
01:03:48,418 --> 01:03:49,578
Speaker 6: with short arms.

1381
01:03:49,698 --> 01:03:50,818
Speaker 5: How do you feel about that?

1382
01:03:51,218 --> 01:03:54,538
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks guys, Thanks Colin. I appreciate the call. And

1383
01:03:54,818 --> 01:03:56,458
Speaker 2: you know, to the Joe Touney thing, Joe Tony is

1384
01:03:56,458 --> 01:03:58,658
Speaker 2: like a cyborg. That guy's an alien. You can play

1385
01:03:58,738 --> 01:04:00,298
Speaker 2: him at left guard, you could play him at left

1386
01:04:00,298 --> 01:04:01,938
Speaker 2: tackle and he's gonna just block people.

1387
01:04:01,978 --> 01:04:02,218
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1388
01:04:02,258 --> 01:04:04,418
Speaker 4: And it's also I mean, he's been in the NFL

1389
01:04:04,418 --> 01:04:06,458
Speaker 4: for years and years and years. He knows how it works.

1390
01:04:06,498 --> 01:04:08,938
Speaker 4: He's not trying to make that jump like he's been

1391
01:04:08,938 --> 01:04:10,498
Speaker 4: blocking NFL rushers for a while.

1392
01:04:10,578 --> 01:04:10,778
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1393
01:04:10,778 --> 01:04:12,858
Speaker 2: I don't know what his arm length is exactly, just

1394
01:04:12,858 --> 01:04:16,018
Speaker 2: pulled up quarter okay, because he played tackle in college. Yeah,

1395
01:04:16,058 --> 01:04:18,018
Speaker 2: Joe Toney did, and then they moved him inside when

1396
01:04:18,018 --> 01:04:20,818
Speaker 2: he got to the NFL. Uh with Will Campbell in

1397
01:04:20,858 --> 01:04:23,498
Speaker 2: his arm length and you know, we'll see, we'll see

1398
01:04:23,498 --> 01:04:25,658
Speaker 2: what it is in Indie. I thought Calvin Banks showed

1399
01:04:25,658 --> 01:04:28,618
Speaker 2: really well against Clemson. Now Clemson was totally overmatched in

1400
01:04:28,658 --> 01:04:29,018
Speaker 2: that game.

1401
01:04:29,538 --> 01:04:31,178
Speaker 4: It's Clemson. They always have a good defense.

1402
01:04:31,458 --> 01:04:33,698
Speaker 2: And we'll get to the college football playoff here at

1403
01:04:33,698 --> 01:04:35,138
Speaker 2: a second, because I know we want to do those

1404
01:04:35,178 --> 01:04:38,778
Speaker 2: takes too. But look, we're gonna debate the Will Campbell

1405
01:04:39,138 --> 01:04:42,858
Speaker 2: short arm not short arm left tackle guard conversation for

1406
01:04:42,978 --> 01:04:45,858
Speaker 2: months and months and months, And at this point, he

1407
01:04:45,858 --> 01:04:49,098
Speaker 2: doesn't have any any film that I haven't seen, right, Like,

1408
01:04:49,138 --> 01:04:51,138
Speaker 2: there's no new film. I don't know. I think is

1409
01:04:51,178 --> 01:04:53,778
Speaker 2: he gonna play in their bowl game? I doubt it.

1410
01:04:53,898 --> 01:04:55,778
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he already said he might have already

1411
01:04:55,818 --> 01:04:56,858
Speaker 4: said he's not, but I doubt it.

1412
01:04:56,978 --> 01:04:58,658
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So, like there's not a ton of new

1413
01:04:58,698 --> 01:05:02,098
Speaker 2: film for him at this point, So it really comes

1414
01:05:02,098 --> 01:05:04,978
Speaker 2: down to what the measurements and what we see in Indianapolis.

1415
01:05:04,978 --> 01:05:07,738
Speaker 2: Like that the combine is gonna be the determining factor

1416
01:05:07,738 --> 01:05:08,898
Speaker 2: for him. And I thought it was interesting.

1417
01:05:08,898 --> 01:05:11,738
Speaker 4: Scott Peters said, was it last week that thirty three

1418
01:05:11,738 --> 01:05:14,298
Speaker 4: inches is not a definite cutoff?

1419
01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:14,578
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1420
01:05:14,618 --> 01:05:16,738
Speaker 4: Him, Like, you've got to be really good and know

1421
01:05:16,818 --> 01:05:20,178
Speaker 4: what you're doing if you're under thirty three. But even

1422
01:05:20,218 --> 01:05:22,018
Speaker 4: if he gets close, there's a lot to think about there.

1423
01:05:22,178 --> 01:05:23,898
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then

1424
01:05:23,898 --> 01:05:25,658
Speaker 2: we're gonna come back and now we're gonna take all

1425
01:05:25,698 --> 01:05:28,258
Speaker 2: your calls and emails and do some draft in college

1426
01:05:28,298 --> 01:05:30,178
Speaker 2: football tox Soles, See you guys in a second.

1427
01:05:31,698 --> 01:05:33,738
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Speaker 2: We're back, all right, We're back. You're good. Yeah, we're good.

1505
01:09:39,897 --> 01:09:42,577
Speaker 2: All right. It's been a long day for you, it

1506
01:09:42,617 --> 01:09:45,338
Speaker 2: has in your day. Your day is still going after this.

1507
01:09:46,058 --> 01:09:48,817
Speaker 4: I got one more show and then oh yeah, I'm

1508
01:09:48,817 --> 01:09:49,137
Speaker 4: a writer.

1509
01:09:49,258 --> 01:09:52,937
Speaker 2: I got it, hardest working guy in Boston.

1510
01:09:53,018 --> 01:09:55,017
Speaker 4: And then I'm on back on the radio ten am tomorrow.

1511
01:09:55,138 --> 01:09:57,657
Speaker 2: So I'm but but this is a big week for you.

1512
01:09:57,857 --> 01:09:59,937
Speaker 4: No, I love it, like I take you know what

1513
01:10:00,018 --> 01:10:00,817
Speaker 4: I do this all the time.

1514
01:10:00,857 --> 01:10:03,537
Speaker 2: Oh, poor Alex. She used to talk about football all day.

1515
01:10:03,537 --> 01:10:06,817
Speaker 2: What a toll life like? No, what you are doing

1516
01:10:06,817 --> 01:10:07,897
Speaker 2: the world smalest violin.

1517
01:10:08,338 --> 01:10:10,338
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade it. Well, but I can admit that

1518
01:10:10,418 --> 01:10:13,338
Speaker 4: I like you, who genuinely complains, I wouldn't trade it.

1519
01:10:13,378 --> 01:10:16,657
Speaker 4: That being said, I cannot wait to like get a

1520
01:10:16,697 --> 01:10:20,857
Speaker 4: good like fifteen hours night of sleep the day like

1521
01:10:21,178 --> 01:10:23,897
Speaker 4: so the season ends, but like the seat when the

1522
01:10:23,897 --> 01:10:26,497
Speaker 4: seats and the season will end for us next Sunday. Right, yes,

1523
01:10:26,497 --> 01:10:28,378
Speaker 4: but that's not like when the season ends, because you

1524
01:10:28,378 --> 01:10:31,378
Speaker 4: have like it's usually not the whole week like Monday, Tuesday,

1525
01:10:31,418 --> 01:10:34,177
Speaker 4: Wednesday's recap stuff. You'll do like here's who they're playing

1526
01:10:34,218 --> 01:10:37,097
Speaker 4: next year, Here's who the free agents are, blah blah blah.

1527
01:10:37,098 --> 01:10:40,737
Speaker 4: But like that, honestly that Thursday will love the show. Yeah,

1528
01:10:40,737 --> 01:10:43,338
Speaker 4: and I'm probably gonna go home and sleep until the

1529
01:10:43,338 --> 01:10:46,657
Speaker 4: playoff games starts Saturday afternoon. I'll probably sleep until Saturday afternoon.

1530
01:10:46,697 --> 01:10:50,418
Speaker 2: I look, I get it, And yeah, you know, I'll

1531
01:10:50,458 --> 01:10:53,857
Speaker 2: still do like my film review on Monday from week eighteen,

1532
01:10:53,937 --> 01:10:57,017
Speaker 2: that will still do one. So really you're talking about

1533
01:10:57,058 --> 01:11:00,938
Speaker 2: like Tuesday or Wednesday for the season to officially the usually.

1534
01:11:00,617 --> 01:11:02,897
Speaker 4: Like Wednesday night, I'm starting to wrap it up. We

1535
01:11:02,978 --> 01:11:04,857
Speaker 4: have the show Thursday, so it's like yeah time.

1536
01:11:05,098 --> 01:11:08,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so maybe a Thursday when the

1537
01:11:08,138 --> 01:11:13,017
Speaker 2: show's over, nice, we'll both feel like it's uh and

1538
01:11:13,058 --> 01:11:16,378
Speaker 2: then I'll be in mobile like two weeks later. Right,

1539
01:11:16,777 --> 01:11:17,657
Speaker 2: it's not I think.

1540
01:11:18,058 --> 01:11:20,338
Speaker 4: I can't like, I can't rest for too long because

1541
01:11:20,338 --> 01:11:21,897
Speaker 4: then it gets st her crazy. Yeah, I need to

1542
01:11:21,897 --> 01:11:24,617
Speaker 4: do something, so like four or five days about where

1543
01:11:24,617 --> 01:11:25,017
Speaker 4: I'm at.

1544
01:11:25,378 --> 01:11:28,577
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, back to football. Yeah, and I do

1545
01:11:28,617 --> 01:11:30,458
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit of college football playoffs.

1546
01:11:30,817 --> 01:11:32,897
Speaker 2: And you said we had to do a segment on

1547
01:11:32,897 --> 01:11:35,657
Speaker 2: college football Playoffs. So here's our segment on it. I'm

1548
01:11:35,657 --> 01:11:37,537
Speaker 2: not gonna get on you about the fact that these

1549
01:11:37,537 --> 01:11:38,737
Speaker 2: games were not competitive.

1550
01:11:39,018 --> 01:11:41,617
Speaker 4: Can I say this, what a weird weekend for me

1551
01:11:41,817 --> 01:11:44,937
Speaker 4: because two of my big takes, especially on the show,

1552
01:11:45,178 --> 01:11:48,857
Speaker 4: are you underrate college football and you overrate Josh Allen.

1553
01:11:49,218 --> 01:11:52,897
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there watching those games, like, man, this

1554
01:11:53,497 --> 01:11:56,777
Speaker 4: what a sucky weekend. None of these games are good.

1555
01:11:57,058 --> 01:12:00,057
Speaker 4: I gotta watch Josh Allen tear up the Patriots tomorrow.

1556
01:12:00,138 --> 01:12:03,458
Speaker 4: This just and then out of nowhere, Josh Allen just

1557
01:12:03,777 --> 01:12:06,697
Speaker 4: turns back into pre Brian Daveall Josh Allen. I'm like,

1558
01:12:07,218 --> 01:12:09,777
Speaker 4: all right, I kind of figured everything wasn't gonna go

1559
01:12:09,897 --> 01:12:12,258
Speaker 4: my way this weekend, but if that's the one that does,

1560
01:12:12,298 --> 01:12:13,817
Speaker 4: I will absolutely take that.

1561
01:12:14,378 --> 01:12:17,258
Speaker 2: A complete roller coaster of a weekend for me. So

1562
01:12:17,657 --> 01:12:20,577
Speaker 2: I'm texting you during the college football games on Saturday,

1563
01:12:20,937 --> 01:12:23,537
Speaker 2: just killing you about how you know, oh cool, we

1564
01:12:23,617 --> 01:12:26,497
Speaker 2: got to watch everybody get blown out by four touchdowns

1565
01:12:26,537 --> 01:12:29,458
Speaker 2: by much better teams. This was really fun. Really glad

1566
01:12:29,458 --> 01:12:31,418
Speaker 2: that we put you know some you in the college

1567
01:12:31,458 --> 01:12:34,458
Speaker 2: football playoffs, and Indiana like, good for you. You got

1568
01:12:34,497 --> 01:12:37,617
Speaker 2: your participation trophy. You deserve to be there. Well, there

1569
01:12:37,697 --> 01:12:37,977
Speaker 2: we go.

1570
01:12:38,058 --> 01:12:39,777
Speaker 4: Hang on, if you're gonna do that rant. First of all,

1571
01:12:39,817 --> 01:12:42,097
Speaker 4: Indiana had the closest game of any team in the playoffs.

1572
01:12:42,138 --> 01:12:45,057
Speaker 2: Oh but what was it? What was the final? Yeah

1573
01:12:45,178 --> 01:12:47,418
Speaker 2: it was ten points? But like not really?

1574
01:12:47,458 --> 01:12:50,857
Speaker 4: Okay, So you mentioned SMU. Okay, Kirk Kurbstreet and look,

1575
01:12:50,897 --> 01:12:52,897
Speaker 4: I love Kirk. I love Kirk, but I hate him

1576
01:12:52,897 --> 01:12:55,737
Speaker 4: and the rest of ESPN. He's spot on, he's he's

1577
01:12:55,777 --> 01:12:58,298
Speaker 4: being a company man for ESPN, but he's not. You

1578
01:12:58,338 --> 01:13:03,017
Speaker 4: mentioned ESPN or you mentioned SMU, you mentioned Indiana. You

1579
01:13:03,058 --> 01:13:05,657
Speaker 4: didn't mention the team that had the biggest loss of

1580
01:13:05,697 --> 01:13:09,817
Speaker 4: any this weekend. I wonder why that is. That's Tennessee.

1581
01:13:10,298 --> 01:13:12,377
Speaker 4: Oh that's sec Darling Tennessee.

1582
01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:15,458
Speaker 2: Okay, but they also played one of the best teams.

1583
01:13:15,817 --> 01:13:17,737
Speaker 2: They all played the best teams. It's the playoffs now,

1584
01:13:18,378 --> 01:13:20,338
Speaker 2: it's not the best teams. That's my point.

1585
01:13:20,418 --> 01:13:23,577
Speaker 4: They all played Penny State's not one of the best teams.

1586
01:13:23,697 --> 01:13:27,818
Speaker 2: Yes, but Notre Dame. I don't think was in the playoffs.

1587
01:13:27,817 --> 01:13:31,617
Speaker 2: Your argument, dissipation trophy, here's a ribbon. You made it.

1588
01:13:31,657 --> 01:13:35,458
Speaker 4: You deserve your argument the whole time. Why can't we

1589
01:13:35,497 --> 01:13:37,057
Speaker 4: get a big boy team like Alabama.

1590
01:13:37,058 --> 01:13:37,817
Speaker 2: In the playoff ye.

1591
01:13:38,098 --> 01:13:42,178
Speaker 4: Miss album, Alabama lost to Tennessee, who got spanked by

1592
01:13:42,178 --> 01:13:42,697
Speaker 4: old Miss.

1593
01:13:42,737 --> 01:13:45,017
Speaker 2: Okay, but I don't like that. It's not about the

1594
01:13:45,298 --> 01:13:49,537
Speaker 2: Alabama property. No, but it's not a transitive property. Because

1595
01:13:50,697 --> 01:13:56,458
Speaker 2: Alabama played Tennessee third Saturday in October. It's December. So

1596
01:13:56,497 --> 01:14:00,018
Speaker 2: you're telling me that Alabama hasn't gotten any better since October.

1597
01:14:00,098 --> 01:14:02,817
Speaker 4: No, they've actually pretty much gotten continually worse as the

1598
01:14:02,857 --> 01:14:04,497
Speaker 4: years GOO, as the year has gone on. It's been

1599
01:14:04,577 --> 01:14:08,697
Speaker 4: very concerning, frankly. But the point I'm making is what

1600
01:14:08,817 --> 01:14:11,137
Speaker 4: I think happened. I don't think it was about the teams,

1601
01:14:11,378 --> 01:14:13,697
Speaker 4: and it goes back to something we actually talked about.

1602
01:14:13,458 --> 01:14:16,057
Speaker 2: With Drake May. Yeah. There.

1603
01:14:16,418 --> 01:14:19,138
Speaker 4: I think there's never been games like this. This was

1604
01:14:19,178 --> 01:14:23,217
Speaker 4: the first on campus, true postseason game college football history

1605
01:14:23,218 --> 01:14:24,298
Speaker 4: since nineteen o two.

1606
01:14:24,378 --> 01:14:27,737
Speaker 2: It's a yeah, it is.

1607
01:14:27,978 --> 01:14:30,178
Speaker 4: It's I think the environments for too were too big,

1608
01:14:30,218 --> 01:14:32,418
Speaker 4: and for a team like SMU. I think for a

1609
01:14:32,458 --> 01:14:35,857
Speaker 4: team like Tennessee the cold, that Tennessee team was not

1610
01:14:35,897 --> 01:14:37,097
Speaker 4: ready to go in that environment.

1611
01:14:37,458 --> 01:14:39,857
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're blaming a bunch of children, a

1612
01:14:39,897 --> 01:14:40,218
Speaker 2: bunch of.

1613
01:14:40,258 --> 01:14:44,938
Speaker 4: Eighteen Well, it's a lot for kids to handle. And ultimately,

1614
01:14:44,978 --> 01:14:46,537
Speaker 4: you know what, it's gonna be a good thing for

1615
01:14:46,577 --> 01:14:49,537
Speaker 4: the NFL because when we talk about a rookie quarterback

1616
01:14:49,577 --> 01:14:52,178
Speaker 4: first time in this environment, what's gonna be like, Like

1617
01:14:52,418 --> 01:14:55,057
Speaker 4: Nico's gonna be from Tennessee's gonna be an NFL quarterback

1618
01:14:55,058 --> 01:14:56,098
Speaker 4: at some point. I know he had a bad game,

1619
01:14:56,098 --> 01:14:58,777
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a NFL quarterback. His first playoff game

1620
01:14:59,138 --> 01:15:01,058
Speaker 4: is gonna be a lot easier. Haven't been to the

1621
01:15:01,058 --> 01:15:04,298
Speaker 4: shoe for what that was, so I don't And and

1622
01:15:04,338 --> 01:15:06,697
Speaker 4: it also we're gonna talk about, well, playoff caliber game

1623
01:15:06,777 --> 01:15:10,097
Speaker 4: should be close. The NFL had a pair of whatever

1624
01:15:10,178 --> 01:15:12,097
Speaker 4: essentially playoff matchups this weekend.

1625
01:15:12,378 --> 01:15:15,657
Speaker 2: How close were those games? So were the first round

1626
01:15:15,657 --> 01:15:19,338
Speaker 2: games duds? Absolutely? Absolutely they were? And you know what, Frank,

1627
01:15:20,537 --> 01:15:22,977
Speaker 2: it's probably good. It's probably gonna be that way for

1628
01:15:23,018 --> 01:15:25,218
Speaker 2: the next few years. I don't think. I don't think

1629
01:15:25,218 --> 01:15:25,937
Speaker 2: it wasn't worth it.

1630
01:15:25,937 --> 01:15:28,697
Speaker 4: All it was because here's the thing. I don't think

1631
01:15:28,697 --> 01:15:30,098
Speaker 4: we'll get all four being duds all the time. But

1632
01:15:30,098 --> 01:15:31,697
Speaker 4: there's gonn be duds in there, because that's what happens

1633
01:15:31,697 --> 01:15:33,977
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. It happens in the NFL. The average

1634
01:15:34,018 --> 01:15:37,537
Speaker 4: scoring margin for the first round was only two points

1635
01:15:37,577 --> 01:15:39,617
Speaker 4: higher than it was for wild Card weekend last year.

1636
01:15:39,897 --> 01:15:41,577
Speaker 4: And don't tell me that it's called because that one

1637
01:15:41,577 --> 01:15:45,977
Speaker 4: blowout because the Cowboys Packers blowing out the Cowboys. Cowboys

1638
01:15:45,978 --> 01:15:48,937
Speaker 4: scored two garbage time touchdowns. The other thing is the

1639
01:15:48,937 --> 01:15:50,897
Speaker 4: the round of eight games are gonna be awesome, Like

1640
01:15:51,218 --> 01:15:54,218
Speaker 4: Oregon Ohio State to me is the national championship. And

1641
01:15:54,497 --> 01:15:55,817
Speaker 4: I think you said that too.

1642
01:15:55,817 --> 01:15:58,057
Speaker 2: Which I don't like because that game is it's only

1643
01:15:58,058 --> 01:16:01,338
Speaker 2: a quarterfinal game. Oh but that that happens all the time?

1644
01:16:01,338 --> 01:16:03,857
Speaker 2: How many times? But Oregon Ohio State to me like that,

1645
01:16:05,018 --> 01:16:08,338
Speaker 2: it just feels like that should be a game that

1646
01:16:08,458 --> 01:16:10,458
Speaker 2: was played later on in this playoff and it's not

1647
01:16:10,537 --> 01:16:13,897
Speaker 2: because of the format of the bye weeks for teams

1648
01:16:13,937 --> 01:16:17,657
Speaker 2: like Arizona States. That doesn't the other team that has

1649
01:16:17,697 --> 01:16:22,418
Speaker 2: the buy that shouldn't BYU no boise boise I received,

1650
01:16:22,697 --> 01:16:24,977
Speaker 2: I would receve I know where BYU came, I would.

1651
01:16:24,817 --> 01:16:26,617
Speaker 4: Receed after the first round because they were supposed to

1652
01:16:26,617 --> 01:16:27,937
Speaker 4: be in it. They're supposed to win the Big twelve.

1653
01:16:28,537 --> 01:16:33,458
Speaker 4: I think that if that happs all how many times?

1654
01:16:33,857 --> 01:16:36,297
Speaker 2: Okay, but if they didn't have a bye. These stupid

1655
01:16:36,338 --> 01:16:38,617
Speaker 2: bye week set up right where it's not done by

1656
01:16:38,657 --> 01:16:40,857
Speaker 2: the seed, it's done by winning your conference. Just just

1657
01:16:40,937 --> 01:16:42,458
Speaker 2: let me finish it. If they don't. If they didn't

1658
01:16:42,497 --> 01:16:45,977
Speaker 2: have that, then teams like Ohio State, like Ohio State

1659
01:16:46,058 --> 01:16:47,817
Speaker 2: would have been one of the top four teams.

1660
01:16:48,338 --> 01:16:51,137
Speaker 4: They finished ranked fifth.

1661
01:16:51,178 --> 01:16:53,138
Speaker 2: I think they finished Okay, Well, then they're still not

1662
01:16:53,178 --> 01:16:56,098
Speaker 2: playing Oregon, is my point. No, you're not getting the

1663
01:16:56,098 --> 01:16:57,337
Speaker 2: two best teams in the playoffs.

1664
01:16:57,338 --> 01:17:00,137
Speaker 4: And I would go back to the original seeding after

1665
01:17:00,178 --> 01:17:02,138
Speaker 4: the first round. That is a change they should make.

1666
01:17:02,418 --> 01:17:04,937
Speaker 4: I do like the winning your conference having a bye

1667
01:17:05,018 --> 01:17:08,258
Speaker 4: because it makes winning your conference worth something, which I

1668
01:17:08,338 --> 01:17:11,297
Speaker 4: think is important because it keeps the regular season relevant.

1669
01:17:11,657 --> 01:17:15,777
Speaker 4: But like, how many times did the Patriots did Brady

1670
01:17:15,777 --> 01:17:18,017
Speaker 4: and Manning meet in the divisional round? And you know,

1671
01:17:18,338 --> 01:17:20,258
Speaker 4: like when he was with the Broncos and there were

1672
01:17:20,258 --> 01:17:24,017
Speaker 4: those Andrew Locke no Defense Colts teams that were still

1673
01:17:24,058 --> 01:17:26,697
Speaker 4: getting to the AFC Championship, but we knew Brady Manning

1674
01:17:26,737 --> 01:17:28,737
Speaker 4: in the divisional round, like yeah, this is this is it,

1675
01:17:28,937 --> 01:17:30,138
Speaker 4: and we didn't complain about it.

1676
01:17:30,138 --> 01:17:32,018
Speaker 2: I think it happened. I think Brady Manning and the

1677
01:17:32,058 --> 01:17:32,817
Speaker 2: division around happened.

1678
01:17:33,018 --> 01:17:34,378
Speaker 4: That happened, but there were a number of other There

1679
01:17:34,378 --> 01:17:36,057
Speaker 4: were sometimes when they met the Ravens in the division,

1680
01:17:36,258 --> 01:17:38,657
Speaker 4: it happened with the Ravens and Reknew like, all right,

1681
01:17:38,817 --> 01:17:41,497
Speaker 4: and you had the t Bow Broncos or whatever in

1682
01:17:41,537 --> 01:17:43,857
Speaker 4: the next round. It was like, I that's just kind

1683
01:17:43,857 --> 01:17:45,617
Speaker 4: of how these things work. I don't really care where

1684
01:17:45,657 --> 01:17:48,057
Speaker 4: the game happens. As long as it happens. There's gonna

1685
01:17:48,058 --> 01:17:49,617
Speaker 4: be some other games in this next round two that

1686
01:17:49,657 --> 01:17:52,657
Speaker 4: are good for reasons that we don't need to spend

1687
01:17:52,697 --> 01:17:54,857
Speaker 4: a ton of time on. You were never going to

1688
01:17:54,857 --> 01:17:57,777
Speaker 4: get eight teams. It was going to be four, twelve

1689
01:17:57,937 --> 01:18:01,338
Speaker 4: or sixteen. Sixteen is too many. We all know four

1690
01:18:01,458 --> 01:18:04,338
Speaker 4: was not enough. I will pay what's eight? What's wrong

1691
01:18:04,378 --> 01:18:07,897
Speaker 4: with eight? It has to do with you have to

1692
01:18:08,218 --> 01:18:10,178
Speaker 4: the SEC and Big ten kind of run it. But

1693
01:18:10,218 --> 01:18:12,217
Speaker 4: you do have to get the other conference on board

1694
01:18:12,258 --> 01:18:15,177
Speaker 4: to a certain extent, and the limited at large bids

1695
01:18:15,218 --> 01:18:17,937
Speaker 4: they didn't feel like they would get properly represented, and

1696
01:18:17,937 --> 01:18:19,297
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah.

1697
01:18:19,338 --> 01:18:22,617
Speaker 2: This is college football's problem. It's this is it right here?

1698
01:18:22,657 --> 01:18:25,057
Speaker 2: That's the crux of the problem is that this is all.

1699
01:18:25,497 --> 01:18:28,777
Speaker 2: At some respect, this is because and I get it,

1700
01:18:29,058 --> 01:18:32,298
Speaker 2: but at some in some points, this is a participation

1701
01:18:32,418 --> 01:18:36,178
Speaker 2: trophy because there's so much money to be made for

1702
01:18:36,218 --> 01:18:39,298
Speaker 2: a program like SMU from being in this game, or

1703
01:18:39,338 --> 01:18:41,817
Speaker 2: a program like Indiana that's trying to be up and

1704
01:18:41,817 --> 01:18:44,298
Speaker 2: coming and is trying to build. Like, there's so much

1705
01:18:44,338 --> 01:18:46,977
Speaker 2: at stake for those types of teams to be included

1706
01:18:47,018 --> 01:18:50,497
Speaker 2: in the playoff that it becomes a situation of we're

1707
01:18:50,537 --> 01:18:52,737
Speaker 2: just putting this team in the playoff because they have

1708
01:18:52,777 --> 01:18:56,058
Speaker 2: the resume for it, but also because we want to partu.

1709
01:18:55,978 --> 01:18:59,497
Speaker 4: Q March madness. We celebrate cinderellas. Why can't we do

1710
01:18:59,537 --> 01:19:00,137
Speaker 4: that here.

1711
01:18:59,978 --> 01:19:02,578
Speaker 2: Because there aren't going to be any cinderellas.

1712
01:19:02,058 --> 01:19:04,177
Speaker 4: Until there is. It took how many years for sixteen

1713
01:19:04,178 --> 01:19:05,777
Speaker 4: to be to one? They said, what never happened a sixteen?

1714
01:19:06,178 --> 01:19:07,857
Speaker 2: No, but I wish not to give you that.

1715
01:19:08,817 --> 01:19:11,218
Speaker 4: I will give you this it eventually it will because

1716
01:19:11,218 --> 01:19:13,617
Speaker 4: they'll they'll see it wrong. It would be a twelve

1717
01:19:13,657 --> 01:19:18,537
Speaker 4: that should be at twelve. I think college football's biggest

1718
01:19:18,537 --> 01:19:21,458
Speaker 4: strength and its biggest weakness are the same thing, which

1719
01:19:21,497 --> 01:19:26,298
Speaker 4: is there is basically no overarching governing body in some

1720
01:19:26,458 --> 01:19:29,458
Speaker 4: ways that makes call because, like the NFL, a lot

1721
01:19:29,458 --> 01:19:31,577
Speaker 4: of the issues with the NFL there's a lot of

1722
01:19:31,697 --> 01:19:34,497
Speaker 4: uniformity to it. Yeah, and the college football does not

1723
01:19:34,537 --> 01:19:37,297
Speaker 4: have uniformity. And in some ways that's a big strength,

1724
01:19:37,338 --> 01:19:39,338
Speaker 4: but in an instance like this, it's a big weakness.

1725
01:19:39,378 --> 01:19:42,217
Speaker 4: I don't think the playoffs perfect. I don't think four

1726
01:19:42,298 --> 01:19:45,177
Speaker 4: bad games it's unfortunate, but I don't think four bad

1727
01:19:45,218 --> 01:19:48,337
Speaker 4: games off the jump are enough to damn the whole tournament.

1728
01:19:48,737 --> 01:19:52,817
Speaker 2: Okay. So that being said, the other big l let's

1729
01:19:52,817 --> 01:19:55,338
Speaker 2: get into some draft stuff. Yeah, I have a I

1730
01:19:55,458 --> 01:19:58,177
Speaker 2: might have a very hot draft take on the playoff

1731
01:19:58,258 --> 01:20:00,218
Speaker 2: that you're either gonna love or hate. Okay. So the

1732
01:20:00,258 --> 01:20:02,577
Speaker 2: other big element of this is obviously what I'm doing,

1733
01:20:02,617 --> 01:20:04,937
Speaker 2: which is watching these games for the purposes of the

1734
01:20:05,018 --> 01:20:08,137
Speaker 2: draft and evaluating guys in the draft. The two biggest

1735
01:20:08,138 --> 01:20:10,258
Speaker 2: takeaways that I have in this game wasn't a big

1736
01:20:10,298 --> 01:20:13,977
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter week. I didn't feel like but I watched

1737
01:20:13,978 --> 01:20:15,497
Speaker 2: some of the film back and it seemed like he

1738
01:20:15,577 --> 01:20:16,657
Speaker 2: was better on film than they.

1739
01:20:16,697 --> 01:20:21,697
Speaker 4: Was watchin smu to a fault made a point in

1740
01:20:21,737 --> 01:20:24,178
Speaker 4: that game of saying we're not gonna go near Abdul Carter.

1741
01:20:24,378 --> 01:20:26,737
Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, I mean I understand why they did it,

1742
01:20:26,817 --> 01:20:28,897
Speaker 4: but they had when he needed to show up, he

1743
01:20:28,937 --> 01:20:30,897
Speaker 4: showed up. So they had four trips to the red zone.

1744
01:20:31,018 --> 01:20:33,258
Speaker 4: That should have been a close game because they had

1745
01:20:33,258 --> 01:20:35,378
Speaker 4: four trips to When I say that that, I don't

1746
01:20:35,378 --> 01:20:38,338
Speaker 4: mean like they had four trips to the red zone. Yes,

1747
01:20:38,418 --> 01:20:42,178
Speaker 4: they scored three total points. Okay, Penn State's defense came up.

1748
01:20:42,338 --> 01:20:42,458
Speaker 5: Oh.

1749
01:20:42,497 --> 01:20:43,937
Speaker 4: Sorry, one more thing before we get to the draft.

1750
01:20:44,218 --> 01:20:46,698
Speaker 4: Kurt Signetti, Indiana, what do you think of that punt.

1751
01:20:47,138 --> 01:20:48,697
Speaker 2: The fourth and nine? I think that guy's a kook.

1752
01:20:49,138 --> 01:20:52,577
Speaker 4: That's your national coach of the year. Yeah, consensus national

1753
01:20:52,577 --> 01:20:55,378
Speaker 4: coach here. You don't think Bill Belichick's gonna run circles

1754
01:20:55,418 --> 01:20:55,977
Speaker 4: through this thing.

1755
01:20:56,617 --> 01:20:58,497
Speaker 2: He's doing well in the portal. Anyway, back to the draft,

1756
01:20:58,537 --> 01:21:04,218
Speaker 2: Abdual North Carolina Football. I can't wait Abdull Carter. So

1757
01:21:04,298 --> 01:21:07,657
Speaker 2: I thought Abdul Carter looked better than I was expecting.

1758
01:21:07,697 --> 01:21:11,058
Speaker 2: And I agree with your general premise that do you

1759
01:21:11,218 --> 01:21:14,137
Speaker 2: big game planned obviously for a guy like Abdill Carter

1760
01:21:14,218 --> 01:21:16,338
Speaker 2: and sort of or saying we are not going to

1761
01:21:16,458 --> 01:21:19,338
Speaker 2: let him take over the game. And although that might

1762
01:21:19,418 --> 01:21:21,937
Speaker 2: hurt his you know, down to down production a little

1763
01:21:21,978 --> 01:21:25,617
Speaker 2: bit like that's in itself. The case to draft him,

1764
01:21:25,697 --> 01:21:28,577
Speaker 2: right is that he is a game planned player. He's

1765
01:21:28,617 --> 01:21:31,177
Speaker 2: a Tuesday player that you have to then go out

1766
01:21:31,218 --> 01:21:35,497
Speaker 2: and devise a blocking plan, a pass blocking plan for

1767
01:21:35,617 --> 01:21:38,178
Speaker 2: how are we going to take, you know, prevent him

1768
01:21:38,178 --> 01:21:42,897
Speaker 2: from taking over games. That opens up opportunities for other people. Now,

1769
01:21:43,138 --> 01:21:46,017
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore eats Kean White, eats you know whatever. Like

1770
01:21:46,058 --> 01:21:48,378
Speaker 2: I'm just using Patriots for an again, and I'll just

1771
01:21:48,418 --> 01:21:48,777
Speaker 2: add this.

1772
01:21:48,897 --> 01:21:53,097
Speaker 4: And obviously everybody saw what he did on Saturday going

1773
01:21:53,138 --> 01:21:57,577
Speaker 4: into that game. Yeah, abdul Carter, not Abdul Carter, Kevin Jennings,

1774
01:21:57,577 --> 01:22:00,697
Speaker 4: one of the Heisman favorites for next year. And I

1775
01:22:00,697 --> 01:22:03,617
Speaker 4: don't look like correct response. And I think some of

1776
01:22:03,617 --> 01:22:05,218
Speaker 4: that was the moment was just too big for me

1777
01:22:05,218 --> 01:22:07,298
Speaker 4: and he needs to grow. But part of it he's

1778
01:22:07,338 --> 01:22:10,657
Speaker 4: incredibly mobile. He's incredibly good getting around the pocket. So

1779
01:22:10,697 --> 01:22:12,857
Speaker 4: they had a guy that kind of could counter Abdul

1780
01:22:12,897 --> 01:22:15,017
Speaker 4: Carter and they just said, nevermind, we're not gonna touch him.

1781
01:22:15,098 --> 01:22:18,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were afraid of him. I would say that

1782
01:22:18,378 --> 01:22:21,338
Speaker 2: that's the least my takeaway from it. I'm just pulling

1783
01:22:21,418 --> 01:22:24,218
Speaker 2: up real quick. His actual pressure is because I think

1784
01:22:24,218 --> 01:22:27,418
Speaker 2: that they were better than maybe what people would have

1785
01:22:27,458 --> 01:22:29,897
Speaker 2: expected watching live in that game.

1786
01:22:30,098 --> 01:22:34,218
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think he was the best, And we'll get

1787
01:22:34,258 --> 01:22:35,697
Speaker 4: to Kelvin Banks. I want to put the cap on,

1788
01:22:35,737 --> 01:22:37,777
Speaker 4: which is what we stall here, and look it up.

1789
01:22:38,138 --> 01:22:39,817
Speaker 4: Did you think he was the best of like the

1790
01:22:39,817 --> 01:22:40,817
Speaker 4: top of the draft guys?

1791
01:22:40,857 --> 01:22:42,218
Speaker 2: No, so I was actually going to get to that.

1792
01:22:42,577 --> 01:22:47,338
Speaker 2: So Abdual Carter in this game against four pressures? Yeah,

1793
01:22:47,378 --> 01:22:50,817
Speaker 2: four pressures? So oh no, sorry, five pressures. So it's

1794
01:22:50,777 --> 01:22:53,657
Speaker 2: still pretty good, right, I mean like it was definitely

1795
01:22:53,657 --> 01:22:55,857
Speaker 2: one of those games where you had to watch, Yeah,

1796
01:22:55,857 --> 01:22:57,617
Speaker 2: and you're not going to look at the box score

1797
01:22:57,657 --> 01:22:59,937
Speaker 2: and say, oh, Abdul Carter had a huge game, but

1798
01:23:00,298 --> 01:23:03,458
Speaker 2: I'm expecting him to continue to pop and he just

1799
01:23:04,258 --> 01:23:06,298
Speaker 2: look when you're trying to stack this board and we're

1800
01:23:06,298 --> 01:23:08,777
Speaker 2: trying to figure out who are just the best overall

1801
01:23:08,937 --> 01:23:12,657
Speaker 2: talents in this draft. I still think Travis Hunter is

1802
01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:14,737
Speaker 2: on a planet of his own in terms of pure

1803
01:23:14,777 --> 01:23:17,937
Speaker 2: talent on a football field, But I feel like Abdull

1804
01:23:17,978 --> 01:23:19,977
Speaker 2: Carter is in that next thing you have to talk

1805
01:23:20,018 --> 01:23:22,298
Speaker 2: about Abdul Carter, Yeah, Like you absolutely have to talk

1806
01:23:22,338 --> 01:23:26,177
Speaker 2: about him. That being said, I thought Kelvin Banks was awesome.

1807
01:23:26,897 --> 01:23:29,897
Speaker 2: I thought he was really really good. His run blocking

1808
01:23:29,937 --> 01:23:32,338
Speaker 2: continues to be his best trait to me. He's a

1809
01:23:32,378 --> 01:23:36,777
Speaker 2: people moving run blocker. It's not necessarily like dominant like J. C.

1810
01:23:37,018 --> 01:23:39,657
Speaker 2: Latham man strength, you know, like it's not necessarily that.

1811
01:23:40,258 --> 01:23:43,458
Speaker 2: But he's just very, very good in the running game.

1812
01:23:43,857 --> 01:23:45,857
Speaker 2: And they do a lot of different things with Sark

1813
01:23:45,937 --> 01:23:48,017
Speaker 2: in the run game and move their tackles a lot

1814
01:23:48,138 --> 01:23:50,537
Speaker 2: and ask him to make some high level blocks that

1815
01:23:50,617 --> 01:23:52,537
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to make at the NFL level, So

1816
01:23:52,577 --> 01:23:57,418
Speaker 2: there's translatable stuff there. I look, I'm I'm weary of

1817
01:23:57,458 --> 01:24:00,097
Speaker 2: the both these tackles for different reasons. You know, Campbell

1818
01:24:00,098 --> 01:24:02,897
Speaker 2: obviously has the length issue, and Kelvin Banks I don't

1819
01:24:02,937 --> 01:24:05,897
Speaker 2: think is quite as nimble as his feet in pass

1820
01:24:05,937 --> 01:24:09,057
Speaker 2: protection as I would want my left tackle to be ideally.

1821
01:24:09,737 --> 01:24:12,258
Speaker 2: But he's he's a talent, you know, he's a really

1822
01:24:12,298 --> 01:24:16,737
Speaker 2: really good football player, and I'm starting to come around

1823
01:24:16,857 --> 01:24:18,737
Speaker 2: to him if he plays like this the rest of

1824
01:24:18,777 --> 01:24:22,017
Speaker 2: the playoff. Now, Will Campbell doesn't have this opportunity, right Like,

1825
01:24:22,058 --> 01:24:24,137
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the opportunity to play in the playoff

1826
01:24:24,178 --> 01:24:26,897
Speaker 2: and show out. But if Kelvin Banks plays this way

1827
01:24:26,978 --> 01:24:28,697
Speaker 2: the rest of the playoffs, and I think there's gonna

1828
01:24:28,737 --> 01:24:31,817
Speaker 2: be a lot of OT one conversations that he's going

1829
01:24:31,857 --> 01:24:33,577
Speaker 2: to be the clear cut number one time and.

1830
01:24:33,537 --> 01:24:38,258
Speaker 4: He's got So they have Arizona State, which is.

1831
01:24:38,817 --> 01:24:41,218
Speaker 2: Uh, might as well be a double A team.

1832
01:24:41,537 --> 01:24:43,657
Speaker 4: No, they have some NFL talented out that he's gonna

1833
01:24:43,657 --> 01:24:45,418
Speaker 4: be going up again, so that that one doesn't help

1834
01:24:45,458 --> 01:24:47,857
Speaker 4: him a ton. Assuming they win, though, they get Ohio

1835
01:24:47,937 --> 01:24:50,218
Speaker 4: State of Oregon, and he is going to have a

1836
01:24:50,338 --> 01:24:52,657
Speaker 4: chance to make some serious money. It's gonna be the

1837
01:24:52,657 --> 01:24:54,577
Speaker 4: Cotton Bowl. Yeah, he's going to have a chance to

1838
01:24:54,577 --> 01:24:58,137
Speaker 4: make some serious, serious money in that game. I don't

1839
01:24:58,138 --> 01:24:59,617
Speaker 4: know if you want to talk about any of the

1840
01:24:59,657 --> 01:25:00,218
Speaker 4: other top guys.

1841
01:25:00,657 --> 01:25:03,697
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just curious now because I obviously was

1842
01:25:03,737 --> 01:25:06,378
Speaker 2: watching those two specifically. Is there anybody else that stood

1843
01:25:06,378 --> 01:25:08,897
Speaker 2: out to you from the this weekend past weekend?

1844
01:25:09,058 --> 01:25:11,697
Speaker 4: Uh, there weren't a ton of guys going at least

1845
01:25:11,697 --> 01:25:13,777
Speaker 4: from the top of the board. There's mid level guys.

1846
01:25:14,178 --> 01:25:16,737
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren had a good game against SMU. Yeah, you know,

1847
01:25:16,777 --> 01:25:19,257
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see the Georgia. The Georgia pass rushers.

1848
01:25:19,258 --> 01:25:22,177
Speaker 4: Obviously we didn't see them. They had the buye.

1849
01:25:22,657 --> 01:25:25,257
Speaker 2: I would love to see Banks get another crack at Georgia.

1850
01:25:25,418 --> 01:25:26,418
Speaker 2: I would too.

1851
01:25:26,657 --> 01:25:28,777
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's kind of where my hot take was. This

1852
01:25:28,857 --> 01:25:31,178
Speaker 4: is more league league take, but this could impact the

1853
01:25:31,218 --> 01:25:33,697
Speaker 4: Patriots especially. We talked about what might happen if they

1854
01:25:33,697 --> 01:25:35,737
Speaker 4: win another game in the draft, and it's a two

1855
01:25:35,817 --> 01:25:38,418
Speaker 4: quarterback draft right now, right so you figure one two

1856
01:25:38,418 --> 01:25:42,017
Speaker 4: when it's gonna be Giants Raiders if that honestly him

1857
01:25:42,058 --> 01:25:44,977
Speaker 4: Ward's playing in the pop Tart Bowl, which is kind

1858
01:25:44,978 --> 01:25:45,697
Speaker 4: of surprising you.

1859
01:25:46,777 --> 01:25:50,577
Speaker 2: I do love the pop Tart pole, the pop.

1860
01:25:50,378 --> 01:25:53,178
Speaker 4: Tart, It's an edible mascot. What's not to love?

1861
01:25:53,537 --> 01:25:54,577
Speaker 2: What flavor are you picking?

1862
01:25:54,617 --> 01:25:57,937
Speaker 4: So the MVP of the winning team, there's three flavors

1863
01:25:57,937 --> 01:25:59,617
Speaker 4: this year, gets to pick the flavor.

1864
01:25:59,418 --> 01:26:02,737
Speaker 2: Brown cinnamon, sugar. I'm a classic pop tart guy. I

1865
01:26:02,937 --> 01:26:05,098
Speaker 2: I I do like s'mores a lot too, Like if

1866
01:26:05,098 --> 01:26:07,218
Speaker 2: I had to, you know, Smores is a great pop tart,

1867
01:26:07,577 --> 01:26:11,137
Speaker 2: But I'm a classic brown cinnamon and sugar pop tart guy.

1868
01:26:12,098 --> 01:26:18,378
Speaker 4: This year, wild berry hot fudge Sunday, Come on, I

1869
01:26:18,378 --> 01:26:20,937
Speaker 4: thought they were There was a oh, frosted cinnon roll

1870
01:26:21,018 --> 01:26:22,697
Speaker 4: is the mystery flavor.

1871
01:26:22,458 --> 01:26:24,817
Speaker 2: Of course, freaking gen z Man. They just gotta make

1872
01:26:24,857 --> 01:26:27,338
Speaker 2: everything like, can we just go back to the classics?

1873
01:26:27,537 --> 01:26:29,338
Speaker 2: Can we go back to brown cinnamon sugar? And can

1874
01:26:29,378 --> 01:26:32,178
Speaker 2: we go get s'mores up there? Because frosted cinnamon role,

1875
01:26:32,178 --> 01:26:34,937
Speaker 2: that's brown cinnamon sugar single. They have to call it

1876
01:26:35,018 --> 01:26:37,857
Speaker 2: frosted cinnamon role now because brown cinnamon sugar is not

1877
01:26:37,897 --> 01:26:40,218
Speaker 2: a cool enough name for it, so they yes, they

1878
01:26:40,258 --> 01:26:41,418
Speaker 2: have to spice up the name.

1879
01:26:41,497 --> 01:26:44,417
Speaker 4: That's what go back to the take. Let's say Patriots

1880
01:26:44,458 --> 01:26:46,737
Speaker 4: win another game, right, they moved down a little bit?

1881
01:26:46,857 --> 01:26:47,097
Speaker 2: Yep?

1882
01:26:48,218 --> 01:26:50,777
Speaker 4: Could they still be in a position where teams trying

1883
01:26:50,777 --> 01:26:52,178
Speaker 4: to move up for quarterback.

1884
01:26:52,058 --> 01:26:54,577
Speaker 2: Or maybe even maybe even they.

1885
01:26:54,617 --> 01:26:56,458
Speaker 4: End up like thirty four, a team's trying to move

1886
01:26:56,537 --> 01:26:58,458
Speaker 4: up into a Will Levis where, Yeah, we think this

1887
01:26:58,537 --> 01:26:59,897
Speaker 4: guy might be the guy, but we don't want to

1888
01:26:59,897 --> 01:27:00,897
Speaker 4: bet our first round pipon us.

1889
01:27:00,897 --> 01:27:02,097
Speaker 2: We're gonna get him the top of the second.

1890
01:27:02,218 --> 01:27:06,897
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did you feel about Will Howard's performance on

1891
01:27:07,018 --> 01:27:07,697
Speaker 4: Saturday Night?

1892
01:27:08,138 --> 01:27:11,497
Speaker 2: Didn't love it? I love him as a prospect.

1893
01:27:11,537 --> 01:27:14,697
Speaker 4: I thought he's pretty good. Ohio State's quarterbacks.

1894
01:27:14,298 --> 01:27:17,297
Speaker 2: Are being yeah, yeah, yeah, he's had a really good

1895
01:27:17,737 --> 01:27:21,097
Speaker 2: close to the season. I probably can't. He was awful

1896
01:27:21,138 --> 01:27:21,937
Speaker 2: against Michigan.

1897
01:27:22,897 --> 01:27:24,057
Speaker 4: He was terrible against Michigan.

1898
01:27:24,138 --> 01:27:26,737
Speaker 2: But besides that, he played well down the stretch. Here's

1899
01:27:26,737 --> 01:27:29,458
Speaker 2: my point. So using the big board that we use

1900
01:27:29,537 --> 01:27:31,418
Speaker 2: right now, here are the guy that he is right

1901
01:27:31,458 --> 01:27:35,258
Speaker 2: around or behind? Okay, tell me how many of these

1902
01:27:35,298 --> 01:27:38,258
Speaker 2: guys you think he can realistically jump. Kyle McCord from Syracuse.

1903
01:27:38,497 --> 01:27:39,897
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely can jump.

1904
01:27:40,178 --> 01:27:41,458
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard from Notre Dame.

1905
01:27:41,697 --> 01:27:44,938
Speaker 2: Oh god, he's still geez. Yes, he's just glorified.

1906
01:27:45,338 --> 01:27:47,177
Speaker 4: What's his name from Texas? He played for the Colts,

1907
01:27:47,617 --> 01:27:49,817
Speaker 4: Cole McCoy. No, Sam Allinger?

1908
01:27:49,978 --> 01:27:50,218
Speaker 2: Sam?

1909
01:27:50,418 --> 01:27:52,458
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's who's behind him. This is on the

1910
01:27:52,458 --> 01:27:55,618
Speaker 4: big board. Yeah, Jylen Milroe.

1911
01:27:55,897 --> 01:27:57,937
Speaker 2: See, that was the one that I was gonna mention.

1912
01:27:58,258 --> 01:28:02,418
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's done the Hayes in the barn with him.

1913
01:28:02,537 --> 01:28:04,777
Speaker 2: Yes, I doubt he's gonna play the game. I don't

1914
01:28:04,777 --> 01:28:07,897
Speaker 2: think he's gonna right, he can't. Well, he won't play

1915
01:28:07,897 --> 01:28:09,697
Speaker 2: in the bowl game. Now. You know Bryce Young played

1916
01:28:09,697 --> 01:28:12,057
Speaker 2: in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, a couple of years ago.

1917
01:28:13,298 --> 01:28:16,017
Speaker 2: That was a huge game for Bryce Young. No, yeah,

1918
01:28:16,058 --> 01:28:19,258
Speaker 2: that's true. He lit Kansas State on fire. He had

1919
01:28:19,258 --> 01:28:21,298
Speaker 2: a huge, huge game that was probably the game that

1920
01:28:21,378 --> 01:28:26,618
Speaker 2: made it consensus number one overall. Pick. Maybe Jayleen Milroe.

1921
01:28:26,897 --> 01:28:28,418
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was on that team, like

1922
01:28:28,458 --> 01:28:32,217
Speaker 2: as a backup or anything like that, but maybe Philip

1923
01:28:32,338 --> 01:28:36,017
Speaker 2: Leaves follows a similar game plan. Milroe, though, I think,

1924
01:28:36,138 --> 01:28:39,138
Speaker 2: is the one to me that I would maybe take

1925
01:28:39,178 --> 01:28:39,617
Speaker 2: a chance on.

1926
01:28:39,937 --> 01:28:41,497
Speaker 4: Jayalen Miller is playing the Bowl game.

1927
01:28:41,537 --> 01:28:44,977
Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, I'm not surprised because I I guys have,

1928
01:28:45,298 --> 01:28:48,617
Speaker 2: especially at that position, have really really helped their stock

1929
01:28:48,817 --> 01:28:49,897
Speaker 2: in the in the bowl games.

1930
01:28:49,897 --> 01:28:51,577
Speaker 4: All right, I'll give you a couple more here. Play

1931
01:28:51,577 --> 01:28:54,618
Speaker 4: maybe Milroe Michigan's rematch of the National Championship.

1932
01:28:54,657 --> 01:28:57,057
Speaker 2: I feel like that is in the because Michigan's defense

1933
01:28:57,138 --> 01:29:00,817
Speaker 2: is still good and Michigan's defense still, like schematically is,

1934
01:29:01,058 --> 01:29:03,338
Speaker 2: is creative and uh, you know, it can do some

1935
01:29:03,418 --> 01:29:06,537
Speaker 2: different things that NFL teams do. So like you still

1936
01:29:06,537 --> 01:29:09,817
Speaker 2: go into that game thinking that you're playing a pseudo

1937
01:29:10,657 --> 01:29:13,977
Speaker 2: legit defense and if he puts up numbers, then that's

1938
01:29:14,018 --> 01:29:14,577
Speaker 2: gonna help him.

1939
01:29:14,777 --> 01:29:17,777
Speaker 4: Last year, Michigan Alabama's national championship. This year it is

1940
01:29:17,817 --> 01:29:20,218
Speaker 4: the Relyaquest Bowl, formerly the Outback Bowl.

1941
01:29:20,218 --> 01:29:21,017
Speaker 2: Okay, so you think.

1942
01:29:20,897 --> 01:29:24,097
Speaker 4: Maybe Will Howard, now there's no more outa anymore, maybe

1943
01:29:24,178 --> 01:29:25,937
Speaker 4: Jalen Mirrow finishes that. I know, you usuld to get

1944
01:29:25,937 --> 01:29:30,897
Speaker 4: free blooming onions like that. Carson, I think without an elbow.

1945
01:29:31,018 --> 01:29:36,058
Speaker 2: I think Carson best going on draft, I think so yeah, yeah, yeah.

1946
01:29:35,857 --> 01:29:41,098
Speaker 4: Quin yours, quin yours or Will Howard quin yours?

1947
01:29:41,138 --> 01:29:44,458
Speaker 2: Really? You know, I don't like quin yours. I want

1948
01:29:44,697 --> 01:29:44,897
Speaker 2: just a.

1949
01:29:44,978 --> 01:29:49,418
Speaker 4: More physically built so Will Howard six four to two

1950
01:29:49,458 --> 01:29:49,937
Speaker 4: thirty five.

1951
01:29:50,098 --> 01:29:53,217
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Man, he played awful against Michigan

1952
01:29:53,258 --> 01:29:54,777
Speaker 2: and I can't get that out of my head. All right.

1953
01:29:55,298 --> 01:29:58,217
Speaker 4: That's the thing about the playoffs against Oregon. I organize

1954
01:29:58,258 --> 01:29:58,977
Speaker 4: a very good defense.

1955
01:29:59,058 --> 01:30:01,497
Speaker 2: I still feel like, and I understand that. You know,

1956
01:30:01,537 --> 01:30:06,617
Speaker 2: in hindsight, that was a really talented Texas offense last year. Yeah,

1957
01:30:06,657 --> 01:30:08,897
Speaker 2: but really, when you think about it, like, it's not

1958
01:30:09,058 --> 01:30:11,458
Speaker 2: like Xavier Worthy or eighty Mitchell's really lit the world

1959
01:30:11,497 --> 01:30:13,577
Speaker 2: on fire on the NFL either, you know what I mean?

1960
01:30:13,697 --> 01:30:15,737
Speaker 2: So you could go both ways with that. And I

1961
01:30:15,777 --> 01:30:18,857
Speaker 2: do think that some teams are eight team will convince themselves,

1962
01:30:18,857 --> 01:30:21,258
Speaker 2: not like top ten pick or anything, but I think

1963
01:30:21,298 --> 01:30:24,017
Speaker 2: eight team will convince themselves that they can get last

1964
01:30:24,058 --> 01:30:25,697
Speaker 2: year's Quene Wars right right.

1965
01:30:25,857 --> 01:30:27,897
Speaker 4: And then the last one ahead of him is Jackson Dark.

1966
01:30:29,657 --> 01:30:31,617
Speaker 2: Yeah. Jackson I feel like is more of like a

1967
01:30:31,657 --> 01:30:33,897
Speaker 2: folk hero than he is a quarterback across. That is

1968
01:30:33,937 --> 01:30:35,937
Speaker 2: a great way to put it. He's a college quarterback.

1969
01:30:36,018 --> 01:30:39,218
Speaker 4: Yeah, So all right, maybe Jalen Milroe maybe put in yours.

1970
01:30:39,258 --> 01:30:42,577
Speaker 4: I will say, Will Howard is going to Senior Bowl. Okay,

1971
01:30:42,617 --> 01:30:45,777
Speaker 4: so we will have that one of Maybe it's yours,

1972
01:30:45,817 --> 01:30:49,017
Speaker 4: then maybe it's Howard, maybe it's Milroe in the Relyaquest Bowl.

1973
01:30:49,418 --> 01:30:52,017
Speaker 4: I'm still not locking in this being a two quarterback draft.

1974
01:30:52,018 --> 01:30:54,657
Speaker 4: If Will Howard plays well in this playoff, and that's

1975
01:30:54,697 --> 01:30:56,178
Speaker 4: the thing for I guess it is true for you

1976
01:30:56,258 --> 01:30:58,697
Speaker 4: or to yours too. But you look at it. What

1977
01:30:58,857 --> 01:31:01,737
Speaker 4: Will Howard will have had to have done? Blown out

1978
01:31:01,777 --> 01:31:05,817
Speaker 4: Tennessee and he put up numbers against an SEC defense

1979
01:31:05,817 --> 01:31:07,937
Speaker 4: twenty four to twenty nine, three hundred eleven yards.

1980
01:31:07,697 --> 01:31:08,458
Speaker 2: Two touchdowns.

1981
01:31:08,737 --> 01:31:11,338
Speaker 4: He will have blown out in SEC defense. He will

1982
01:31:11,338 --> 01:31:13,378
Speaker 4: have beat the number one team in the country in Oregon,

1983
01:31:13,378 --> 01:31:16,137
Speaker 4: which is another number one defense, another top defense. Yeah,

1984
01:31:16,218 --> 01:31:19,218
Speaker 4: all odds are unless Arizona State pulls off something spectacular,

1985
01:31:19,218 --> 01:31:22,737
Speaker 4: he'll beat Texas. That'll be his second SEC win and

1986
01:31:22,737 --> 01:31:24,418
Speaker 4: then if he gets one more win, now he gets

1987
01:31:24,418 --> 01:31:26,777
Speaker 4: throw that national champion tag on top of it. I'm

1988
01:31:26,777 --> 01:31:29,018
Speaker 4: not saying that he's gonna be a great NFL quarterback,

1989
01:31:29,258 --> 01:31:31,977
Speaker 4: but isn't that kind of resume teams are looking for

1990
01:31:32,018 --> 01:31:33,058
Speaker 4: when they draft.

1991
01:31:32,737 --> 01:31:35,897
Speaker 2: The guy sounds JJ McCarthy, JJ.

1992
01:31:35,777 --> 01:31:38,937
Speaker 4: McCarthy, Jac Jones. Yeah, and maybe that's who he is

1993
01:31:38,978 --> 01:31:41,338
Speaker 4: in the NFL, but we know teams make wrong picks

1994
01:31:41,378 --> 01:31:44,177
Speaker 4: all the time. So I just I think Will Howard

1995
01:31:44,178 --> 01:31:47,137
Speaker 4: has some room to rise, which could be and maybe

1996
01:31:47,218 --> 01:31:49,017
Speaker 4: Jalen Milroe does too. We can throw them this take.

1997
01:31:49,777 --> 01:31:52,218
Speaker 4: That is a factor when we talk about if the

1998
01:31:52,218 --> 01:31:54,617
Speaker 4: Patriots win another game where their pick is, because maybe

1999
01:31:54,657 --> 01:31:57,017
Speaker 4: there's a third quarterback that's not going third like last

2000
01:31:57,058 --> 01:31:59,617
Speaker 4: year one, two, three, but maybe fifth, sixth, seventh, the

2001
01:31:59,657 --> 01:32:01,298
Speaker 4: team's moving up to take them.

2002
01:32:01,338 --> 01:32:03,937
Speaker 2: So I like Milroe a little bit, and I don't

2003
01:32:03,937 --> 01:32:07,097
Speaker 2: meet the stereotype, but like there's obviously the Jalen Hurts thing. Yeah,

2004
01:32:07,338 --> 01:32:11,178
Speaker 2: and I see some of that comparison with with with Milroe.

2005
01:32:11,258 --> 01:32:14,418
Speaker 2: I also think that as a passer he got better

2006
01:32:14,458 --> 01:32:14,857
Speaker 2: this year.

2007
01:32:14,937 --> 01:32:16,017
Speaker 4: He did get much better.

2008
01:32:16,218 --> 01:32:19,018
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of athleticism there. There's a

2009
01:32:19,058 --> 01:32:22,418
Speaker 2: lot of arm talent there, uh there, if you build

2010
01:32:22,458 --> 01:32:24,977
Speaker 2: it like the Eagles have built it for Hurts and

2011
01:32:25,018 --> 01:32:28,258
Speaker 2: you built it a certain way. I believe that that

2012
01:32:28,378 --> 01:32:31,497
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe could potentially be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

2013
01:32:32,098 --> 01:32:34,937
Speaker 2: But is that enough for him to go in the

2014
01:32:34,937 --> 01:32:37,058
Speaker 2: first round. I don't know, but it's probably enough for

2015
01:32:37,138 --> 01:32:38,737
Speaker 2: him to go in the second, right, Like.

2016
01:32:40,178 --> 01:32:41,817
Speaker 4: And look, it's too easy for these things, but we

2017
01:32:41,897 --> 01:32:44,937
Speaker 4: like this database. Yeah, Dave Jylen Miller going six overall?

2018
01:32:45,018 --> 01:32:46,977
Speaker 2: Right now? Oh yeah, no, I mean that's not happening

2019
01:32:47,098 --> 01:32:49,937
Speaker 2: unless he I know, I can't. He would have to

2020
01:32:50,138 --> 01:32:52,537
Speaker 2: light up the bowl game, light up the pre draft

2021
01:32:52,577 --> 01:32:54,138
Speaker 2: process like that would would He is.

2022
01:32:54,138 --> 01:32:56,057
Speaker 4: Going to be impressive, and he's one of the few

2023
01:32:56,138 --> 01:32:59,057
Speaker 4: guys like usually top quarterbacks don't do stuff.

2024
01:32:59,298 --> 01:33:00,897
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprized if he.

2025
01:33:00,978 --> 01:33:03,298
Speaker 4: Runs at the combine and throws and does the whole

2026
01:33:03,338 --> 01:33:05,257
Speaker 4: because he's going to dominate the combine.

2027
01:33:05,338 --> 01:33:08,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why that's why I like him. You know,

2028
01:33:08,298 --> 01:33:11,098
Speaker 2: I could he be sort of like and again I

2029
01:33:11,098 --> 01:33:13,017
Speaker 2: don't mean the stereotype, but like, could he be sort

2030
01:33:13,018 --> 01:33:15,897
Speaker 2: of like an Anthony Richardson. Jalen hurts like type of process.

2031
01:33:16,018 --> 01:33:18,657
Speaker 2: Not that big though he's not as big as Richardson. No,

2032
01:33:18,897 --> 01:33:22,218
Speaker 2: he's not even as like he's hurts his short shorter right,

2033
01:33:22,298 --> 01:33:26,577
Speaker 2: which hurts like two which like Milro's taller.

2034
01:33:26,857 --> 01:33:28,897
Speaker 4: He's listening to two twenty. Wow, I would not have

2035
01:33:28,937 --> 01:33:30,898
Speaker 4: guessed that I run around.

2036
01:33:30,937 --> 01:33:32,258
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's kind of built a little bit

2037
01:33:32,298 --> 01:33:35,857
Speaker 2: like Jalen Hurts. All I doesn't look like it. But yeah,

2038
01:33:35,978 --> 01:33:38,097
Speaker 2: all right, let's take these phone calls and I want

2039
01:33:38,098 --> 01:33:40,497
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit Chargers before we wrap up

2040
01:33:40,537 --> 01:33:43,977
Speaker 2: the show. Here. Justin is in North Carolina. What's up? Justin?

2041
01:33:44,058 --> 01:33:46,697
Speaker 5: I didn't know at first, you know, I was like, hey, how.

2042
01:33:46,657 --> 01:33:48,658
Speaker 2: Do you going good? How are you?

2043
01:33:49,577 --> 01:33:54,817
Speaker 5: I'm good. My problem is that after they had back

2044
01:33:54,897 --> 01:33:58,258
Speaker 5: such a terrible game, and then they had such a

2045
01:33:58,418 --> 01:34:02,057
Speaker 5: good day, then they had such a good game. It's

2046
01:34:02,178 --> 01:34:08,577
Speaker 5: like everybody was really complaining Drake May. Everybody would say,

2047
01:34:08,617 --> 01:34:12,177
Speaker 5: Drake May just stops, you know, ninety Drake May lost

2048
01:34:12,218 --> 01:34:19,617
Speaker 5: the game, and and then and then there's saying, you

2049
01:34:19,657 --> 01:34:25,058
Speaker 5: know that Ramondre was, you know, got our hands and

2050
01:34:25,098 --> 01:34:26,057
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff.

2051
01:34:26,138 --> 01:34:27,458
Speaker 2: It means he did run good.

2052
01:34:27,577 --> 01:34:31,857
Speaker 5: I mean he bumbled once and then in that gatteral play,

2053
01:34:31,937 --> 01:34:33,777
Speaker 5: which was property because they were in the back of

2054
01:34:33,777 --> 01:34:36,737
Speaker 5: the end zone. It's just that they were just and

2055
01:34:36,777 --> 01:34:39,338
Speaker 5: now they're ready to trade them. I mean, I think

2056
01:34:39,338 --> 01:34:42,617
Speaker 5: he played a better game. He made more yards and

2057
01:34:42,737 --> 01:34:46,057
Speaker 5: played and played a better game as far as running

2058
01:34:46,537 --> 01:34:51,817
Speaker 5: than he has this all year. And you know, now,

2059
01:34:52,258 --> 01:34:55,697
Speaker 5: I know it's a problem that it's fumble, but gifts

2060
01:34:55,697 --> 01:34:59,897
Speaker 5: the fumble as well, and I just I just now

2061
01:35:00,657 --> 01:35:03,577
Speaker 5: and if they had to even though they did not win,

2062
01:35:03,657 --> 01:35:05,897
Speaker 5: which whoever, I know, that's what a lot of people wanted.

2063
01:35:06,897 --> 01:35:12,057
Speaker 5: They played so good against the Bill that that took

2064
01:35:12,418 --> 01:35:17,017
Speaker 5: away from the m v P status of Josh Allen.

2065
01:35:17,617 --> 01:35:21,258
Speaker 5: So I mean, if they did do good, they did

2066
01:35:21,657 --> 01:35:24,777
Speaker 5: show a good front. And I just don't understand why

2067
01:35:24,817 --> 01:35:26,737
Speaker 5: they don't. I guess I can see they just don't

2068
01:35:26,737 --> 01:35:30,458
Speaker 5: want to be over overly confident, because it's all it's

2069
01:35:30,537 --> 01:35:33,178
Speaker 5: get up and down. I just I just want to

2070
01:35:33,178 --> 01:35:35,298
Speaker 5: give him a little break, you know.

2071
01:35:36,298 --> 01:35:39,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's fair. Just yeah, yes, I know this.

2072
01:35:39,458 --> 01:35:41,577
Speaker 4: For the segment she's talking about on the Sports Ub,

2073
01:35:41,617 --> 01:35:43,737
Speaker 4: Matt McCarthy did the lightning round where he just had

2074
01:35:43,777 --> 01:35:46,298
Speaker 4: as many people calling as possible, did Drake May cost

2075
01:35:46,378 --> 01:35:49,057
Speaker 4: Patriots the game? Yes or no? He said yes. They

2076
01:35:49,098 --> 01:35:51,458
Speaker 4: were like, I think it was like twenty two to

2077
01:35:51,537 --> 01:35:54,577
Speaker 4: three callers saying no. So he just got put in

2078
01:35:54,657 --> 01:35:55,097
Speaker 4: his place.

2079
01:35:55,937 --> 01:35:59,378
Speaker 2: That's a that's a very Matt McCarthy thing to do,

2080
01:36:00,058 --> 01:36:02,977
Speaker 2: which I say with all due respect, he just likes

2081
01:36:02,978 --> 01:36:04,777
Speaker 2: to poke the bear a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah,

2082
01:36:04,817 --> 01:36:08,497
Speaker 2: that's absolutely But I think the biggest thing to me

2083
01:36:08,577 --> 01:36:09,617
Speaker 2: with Drake May, by the.

2084
01:36:09,617 --> 01:36:12,378
Speaker 4: Way Patriots of World Marcus Jones out Ben Brown is

2085
01:36:12,418 --> 01:36:14,057
Speaker 4: one of eleven that are questioned.

2086
01:36:14,138 --> 01:36:16,857
Speaker 2: Yes, so Ben Brown still has a chance in the protocol,

2087
01:36:16,857 --> 01:36:18,977
Speaker 2: which is going to be tough. This regime, though, has

2088
01:36:18,978 --> 01:36:21,097
Speaker 2: done it right. Drake May cleared protocol.

2089
01:36:21,258 --> 01:36:24,657
Speaker 4: Remember there's like a not loophole, but it's easier for

2090
01:36:24,737 --> 01:36:26,257
Speaker 4: quarterbacks to get out of the protocol.

2091
01:36:26,378 --> 01:36:29,137
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also wonder too, you know, if Cold Strange

2092
01:36:29,178 --> 01:36:32,977
Speaker 2: is ready, you probably want to see Cole Strange at

2093
01:36:32,978 --> 01:36:35,378
Speaker 2: some point play this year, and this is probably the

2094
01:36:35,418 --> 01:36:38,338
Speaker 2: opportunity to do it. Like Ben Brown doesn't deserve to

2095
01:36:38,338 --> 01:36:40,458
Speaker 2: get bench based off of the tape, like he played

2096
01:36:40,458 --> 01:36:43,097
Speaker 2: pretty well in this game last week. Besides the snaps

2097
01:36:43,098 --> 01:36:45,537
Speaker 2: which have continued been an issue. That's why I was

2098
01:36:45,537 --> 01:36:48,378
Speaker 2: a little bit surprised that it was a concussion because

2099
01:36:48,378 --> 01:36:49,977
Speaker 2: it's two weeks in a row now that he's had

2100
01:36:49,978 --> 01:36:52,178
Speaker 2: some snapping issues, and I actually thought that maybe there

2101
01:36:52,258 --> 01:36:55,138
Speaker 2: was something physically, you know, like an ailment, like a

2102
01:36:55,338 --> 01:36:58,258
Speaker 2: core issue, or like an upper body type injury that

2103
01:36:58,897 --> 01:37:02,737
Speaker 2: or was causing it. But it's a concussion, so it

2104
01:37:02,777 --> 01:37:05,977
Speaker 2: still has a chance to play. Back to Justina's point, though,

2105
01:37:06,058 --> 01:37:09,497
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing with Drake May there's so

2106
01:37:09,617 --> 01:37:12,458
Speaker 2: much good on the film with him, there's so much good,

2107
01:37:12,777 --> 01:37:15,017
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of really great, high level throws.

2108
01:37:15,298 --> 01:37:17,497
Speaker 2: I think he sees space in the defense and reads

2109
01:37:17,537 --> 01:37:20,737
Speaker 2: zone coverage extremely well, just kind of knows where the

2110
01:37:20,777 --> 01:37:22,458
Speaker 2: voids are going to be and where the pockets are

2111
01:37:22,497 --> 01:37:24,857
Speaker 2: going to be. And he has great ball placement against

2112
01:37:24,857 --> 01:37:26,737
Speaker 2: man coverage for the most part, which is how you

2113
01:37:26,777 --> 01:37:28,418
Speaker 2: beat man right. You got to put the ball in

2114
01:37:28,458 --> 01:37:31,218
Speaker 2: a place away from the defender for the receiver to

2115
01:37:31,258 --> 01:37:34,017
Speaker 2: make the catch. I thought the early third down to

2116
01:37:34,098 --> 01:37:36,937
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry was a perfect example of that. That's pretty

2117
01:37:36,937 --> 01:37:39,857
Speaker 2: good coverage. That is a muddied pocket. There's pressure on

2118
01:37:39,978 --> 01:37:42,577
Speaker 2: him in that pocket. He stands in that pocket, and

2119
01:37:42,617 --> 01:37:44,577
Speaker 2: he puts the ball on Henry and makes the play,

2120
01:37:44,617 --> 01:37:46,577
Speaker 2: and they move the chains and they stay on the field.

2121
01:37:46,937 --> 01:37:48,657
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of great things. I think, you

2122
01:37:48,697 --> 01:37:52,418
Speaker 2: know what we're all looking for. One this fan base,

2123
01:37:52,577 --> 01:37:55,858
Speaker 2: and understandably so has some Mac Jones rookie season PTSD,

2124
01:37:56,098 --> 01:37:58,697
Speaker 2: right that just exists within this fan base. We saw

2125
01:37:58,737 --> 01:38:01,977
Speaker 2: a quarterback, a young quarterback not too long ago, played

2126
01:38:02,018 --> 01:38:04,298
Speaker 2: some really good football as a rookie, and then it

2127
01:38:04,378 --> 01:38:07,298
Speaker 2: completely fell off after that. So there are certain people

2128
01:38:07,378 --> 01:38:10,338
Speaker 2: that are just setting themselves up for failure right like

2129
01:38:10,378 --> 01:38:13,657
Speaker 2: that are trying to protect their own feelings from that. Again,

2130
01:38:14,138 --> 01:38:16,577
Speaker 2: the second thing is is that it's fair to say

2131
01:38:16,937 --> 01:38:18,977
Speaker 2: they're still not winning these games that Drake May is

2132
01:38:18,978 --> 01:38:21,817
Speaker 2: playing it. Yeah, he has won from wire to wire.

2133
01:38:21,897 --> 01:38:24,977
Speaker 2: He's won one game against the Bears since he took

2134
01:38:25,018 --> 01:38:28,297
Speaker 2: over as the starter, So just where can he improve?

2135
01:38:28,617 --> 01:38:31,097
Speaker 2: It's not everyone sees it, like I think, all, well, everyone,

2136
01:38:31,458 --> 01:38:33,857
Speaker 2: you can't deny that everyone sees the talent like that

2137
01:38:33,978 --> 01:38:37,737
Speaker 2: is undeniable that this guy is a franchise quarterback talent.

2138
01:38:38,258 --> 01:38:41,458
Speaker 2: But now it's on the Patriots and on this organization

2139
01:38:41,497 --> 01:38:44,057
Speaker 2: as a whole to develop that talent, it's to get

2140
01:38:44,138 --> 01:38:47,137
Speaker 2: him developed. It's to get the situation around him to develop.

2141
01:38:47,138 --> 01:38:49,497
Speaker 2: It's to get him with the right coaches, the right receivers.

2142
01:38:49,777 --> 01:38:51,897
Speaker 2: I get him an offensive line. Like, there's a lot

2143
01:38:51,937 --> 01:38:54,137
Speaker 2: that goes into that, and that's where we're at. We've

2144
01:38:54,218 --> 01:38:58,217
Speaker 2: checked the box of is Drake may a starting quarterback

2145
01:38:58,218 --> 01:39:00,697
Speaker 2: in the NFL? I think the physical talent checks that

2146
01:39:00,777 --> 01:39:03,418
Speaker 2: box for you. Now the question is is you know,

2147
01:39:03,897 --> 01:39:06,218
Speaker 2: can he be better? Right? Can he be even better

2148
01:39:06,258 --> 01:39:07,617
Speaker 2: than this? I'll touch on one other thing.

2149
01:39:07,697 --> 01:39:10,857
Speaker 4: She said, Yeah, the Patriots ended Josh Allen's MVP chanswer

2150
01:39:10,897 --> 01:39:13,017
Speaker 4: impact his MVP chances? Who's your MVP?

2151
01:39:13,098 --> 01:39:18,138
Speaker 2: Evan? He was damn good yesterday, Lamar. You know this

2152
01:39:18,258 --> 01:39:21,777
Speaker 2: is truly like deciding. I bet you this is how

2153
01:39:21,897 --> 01:39:25,537
Speaker 2: parents feel about deciding between children, because I you know,

2154
01:39:25,577 --> 01:39:33,577
Speaker 2: I love both guys. Oh, come on, I probably give

2155
01:39:33,577 --> 01:39:37,017
Speaker 2: it to Josh Allen. Still cut really yeah, first.

2156
01:39:36,897 --> 01:39:39,137
Speaker 4: Off, what he did against this Patriots defense.

2157
01:39:39,418 --> 01:39:43,257
Speaker 2: Second of all, okay, that's such. Don't don't be recency biased,

2158
01:39:43,258 --> 01:39:45,218
Speaker 2: don't don't fine, don't look at what.

2159
01:39:45,218 --> 01:39:47,617
Speaker 4: He did against the Texans and look at what Lamar

2160
01:39:47,657 --> 01:39:48,298
Speaker 4: did against Texan.

2161
01:39:48,418 --> 01:39:50,937
Speaker 2: Do you remember the reaction after that Texans game, because

2162
01:39:50,937 --> 01:39:53,458
Speaker 2: this is also another version of like, oh when did

2163
01:39:53,458 --> 01:39:56,418
Speaker 2: they play Tennessee October? Like, okay, so he played the

2164
01:39:56,777 --> 01:39:59,458
Speaker 2: Texans four months ago and then this Texans team played

2165
01:39:59,537 --> 01:40:02,657
Speaker 2: Lamar yesterday Like those are not it's not the same.

2166
01:40:03,817 --> 01:40:07,178
Speaker 2: And Lamar has been awesome Lamar, I have no doubt

2167
01:40:07,178 --> 01:40:11,657
Speaker 2: about that. I do wonder. Look what it comes down

2168
01:40:11,657 --> 01:40:15,058
Speaker 2: to when I'm evaluating m VP, and maybe this is

2169
01:40:15,098 --> 01:40:17,777
Speaker 2: an argument for Lamar and that I'm making without me knowing.

2170
01:40:18,378 --> 01:40:20,817
Speaker 2: It's basically which if you took the player off the team,

2171
01:40:20,817 --> 01:40:23,057
Speaker 2: how much worse would they get? Right like that? That's

2172
01:40:23,098 --> 01:40:28,057
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. My thing with Lamar, and

2173
01:40:28,098 --> 01:40:30,098
Speaker 2: this is one of your guys, like Derrick Henry is

2174
01:40:30,098 --> 01:40:32,617
Speaker 2: there now and he's had a great scene now, Lamar

2175
01:40:32,697 --> 01:40:34,817
Speaker 2: is letting him do a lot of it right like that.

2176
01:40:34,937 --> 01:40:36,937
Speaker 2: It's a lot of it is because of Lamar that

2177
01:40:36,978 --> 01:40:38,577
Speaker 2: Derek Henry has been there.

2178
01:40:38,657 --> 01:40:40,777
Speaker 4: Lamar still has like forty total touchdowns.

2179
01:40:40,857 --> 01:40:43,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like forty four to four in terms of

2180
01:40:43,298 --> 01:40:44,937
Speaker 2: touchdowns interceptions right now.

2181
01:40:45,098 --> 01:40:47,497
Speaker 4: Really, really Burrow should be in the conversation too, but

2182
01:40:47,537 --> 01:40:49,737
Speaker 4: the Bengals just suck. Yeah, But because if you talk

2183
01:40:49,737 --> 01:40:51,937
Speaker 4: about take him off the team. Whose team gets worse,

2184
01:40:52,817 --> 01:40:55,617
Speaker 4: it's Joe Burrow. I just the Bengals seems nothing without him.

2185
01:40:55,657 --> 01:40:57,378
Speaker 2: Watching the Bills up close, and it was a bad

2186
01:40:57,458 --> 01:40:59,017
Speaker 2: I put him on the downs list. It was a

2187
01:40:59,018 --> 01:41:01,657
Speaker 2: bad Josh Allen game, There's no doubt about that. But

2188
01:41:01,817 --> 01:41:07,097
Speaker 2: watching the Bills up close, Josh Allen does not have

2189
01:41:07,897 --> 01:41:10,577
Speaker 2: a great supporting cast. He has a good supporting cast,

2190
01:41:11,258 --> 01:41:15,657
Speaker 2: but those receivers are nothing special. Like it's washed Amari Cooper,

2191
01:41:16,458 --> 01:41:19,098
Speaker 2: it's Khalil Shakiro, who's a really good slot receiver, but

2192
01:41:19,098 --> 01:41:22,418
Speaker 2: that's what he is, right, And it's Keon Coleman, who

2193
01:41:22,697 --> 01:41:25,017
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Keon Coleman. And I

2194
01:41:25,058 --> 01:41:27,777
Speaker 2: said it at the time when they drafted Dalton Kinkaid,

2195
01:41:28,098 --> 01:41:31,057
Speaker 2: Dalond Kinkaid was that was a bad draft pick in

2196
01:41:31,058 --> 01:41:34,858
Speaker 2: my mind. Is his career so far has been exactly

2197
01:41:34,897 --> 01:41:37,017
Speaker 2: like a lot of tight ends like early in the draft,

2198
01:41:37,018 --> 01:41:40,057
Speaker 2: aar like not all of them are gonna be brock Bowers, right,

2199
01:41:40,098 --> 01:41:43,097
Speaker 2: Like he's not brock Bowers. Yeah, And Dalton kin Kid

2200
01:41:43,098 --> 01:41:45,338
Speaker 2: has like I think, like four hundred and fifty five

2201
01:41:45,418 --> 01:41:47,977
Speaker 2: hundred yards this year. In year two had about the

2202
01:41:48,018 --> 01:41:51,977
Speaker 2: same last year, Like, that's not that's not a ton.

2203
01:41:52,138 --> 01:41:52,857
Speaker 2: That's not a ton.

2204
01:41:53,138 --> 01:41:58,298
Speaker 4: How about the the strength schedule. Josh Allen's playing the afcast,

2205
01:41:58,298 --> 01:41:58,897
Speaker 4: He's playing.

2206
01:41:59,018 --> 01:42:01,018
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna if they give it to Lamar Jackson, Like,

2207
01:42:01,058 --> 01:42:04,138
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna argue, Like Lamar Jackson's awesome, right, if

2208
01:42:04,178 --> 01:42:06,177
Speaker 2: they give it to Lamar Jackson, I'm not gonna argue.

2209
01:42:06,537 --> 01:42:08,577
Speaker 2: It's probably a little bit of voter fatigue. And we

2210
01:42:08,577 --> 01:42:10,817
Speaker 2: could look back on this and it's like, you know,

2211
01:42:10,937 --> 01:42:14,617
Speaker 2: Joel Embiid's MVP instead of Nikola Jokic, Like Jokich was

2212
01:42:14,657 --> 01:42:15,737
Speaker 2: probably the MVP of the league.

2213
01:42:15,777 --> 01:42:18,298
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's that thing where like we dealt with

2214
01:42:18,298 --> 01:42:20,658
Speaker 4: this for Brady for years. You win a couple MVPs,

2215
01:42:20,657 --> 01:42:22,537
Speaker 4: and now it's not just you have to be the

2216
01:42:22,537 --> 01:42:24,097
Speaker 4: best player in the league. You have to be better

2217
01:42:24,138 --> 01:42:27,657
Speaker 4: than your average year at being said Josh Allen winning

2218
01:42:27,697 --> 01:42:30,378
Speaker 4: it to your point about Jokic, Like I've compared the

2219
01:42:30,458 --> 01:42:32,977
Speaker 4: Bills to the Sixers for a long time. This would

2220
01:42:32,978 --> 01:42:35,537
Speaker 4: do the fraudulent Joelle and beat MVP.

2221
01:42:35,897 --> 01:42:39,737
Speaker 2: It would be very Sixers esque. His numbers, Lamar's numbers

2222
01:42:39,777 --> 01:42:42,617
Speaker 2: this year are better than they were last year. Last

2223
01:42:42,697 --> 01:42:45,577
Speaker 2: year though, probably was like a water down year for MVP.

2224
01:42:46,218 --> 01:42:48,218
Speaker 2: It was really you know, unless he wanted to give

2225
01:42:48,258 --> 01:42:50,497
Speaker 2: it to like Christian McCaffrey, Like there wasn't a whole

2226
01:42:50,497 --> 01:42:52,697
Speaker 2: lot of options outside of the Mamar Jackson fel SA,

2227
01:42:53,218 --> 01:42:56,338
Speaker 2: I know how you feel. But in the conversation, he's

2228
01:42:56,338 --> 01:42:58,817
Speaker 2: in the top five, like he just deserves votes. Yeah,

2229
01:42:58,817 --> 01:43:00,617
Speaker 2: but he doesn't. He's not gonna win it. He shouldn't

2230
01:43:00,617 --> 01:43:00,897
Speaker 2: win it.

2231
01:43:01,378 --> 01:43:03,697
Speaker 4: Who whose team is forget? Take him off the team?

2232
01:43:03,697 --> 01:43:04,617
Speaker 4: Which team becomes worse?

2233
01:43:04,937 --> 01:43:05,497
Speaker 2: Who?

2234
01:43:05,697 --> 01:43:07,817
Speaker 4: Which team is a better team? Which team would you

2235
01:43:08,058 --> 01:43:09,697
Speaker 4: less want to play? The Ravens or the Bills?

2236
01:43:11,218 --> 01:43:13,977
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's so such recency biased because we

2237
01:43:14,098 --> 01:43:16,577
Speaker 2: both we just watched the Bills kind of be in

2238
01:43:16,577 --> 01:43:18,378
Speaker 2: a game with the Patriots, and then we just watched

2239
01:43:18,378 --> 01:43:19,617
Speaker 2: the Ravens wax the text.

2240
01:43:19,697 --> 01:43:21,737
Speaker 4: I know the Bills have a better record that Ravens team.

2241
01:43:21,978 --> 01:43:24,537
Speaker 4: I think they're like the danger team. That's the team

2242
01:43:24,577 --> 01:43:26,138
Speaker 4: you do not want to see going to the playoffs.

2243
01:43:26,178 --> 01:43:28,537
Speaker 2: I really hope Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl. I

2244
01:43:28,537 --> 01:43:31,338
Speaker 2: would love to see Lamar Jackson win a Super so

2245
01:43:31,697 --> 01:43:33,458
Speaker 2: I would not like to see the Bills winning.

2246
01:43:33,418 --> 01:43:35,497
Speaker 4: That is one of the few on your yeah you

2247
01:43:35,537 --> 01:43:37,537
Speaker 4: do no, yeah, do you want Josh to win one?

2248
01:43:37,577 --> 01:43:41,418
Speaker 2: So we'll shut up? No, No, I would be perfectly

2249
01:43:41,458 --> 01:43:45,537
Speaker 2: content with Josh Allen being a more enjoyable Joel Embiid

2250
01:43:45,697 --> 01:43:47,497
Speaker 2: like same resume, but just.

2251
01:43:47,577 --> 01:43:51,577
Speaker 4: Not you know what, you know what I want for

2252
01:43:51,657 --> 01:43:54,217
Speaker 4: Josh Allen. And this is gonna surprise some people. But again,

2253
01:43:54,258 --> 01:43:56,258
Speaker 4: it's nobody understands what my real take is.

2254
01:43:56,258 --> 01:43:58,338
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's because you're really like when you

2255
01:43:58,378 --> 01:44:00,617
Speaker 2: say nobody understands your real take, it means you're doing

2256
01:44:00,617 --> 01:44:02,138
Speaker 2: a bad job. No, I'm all right.

2257
01:44:02,298 --> 01:44:03,977
Speaker 4: I've tried to explain a number of times. I want

2258
01:44:04,058 --> 01:44:07,458
Speaker 4: Josh Allen to be Matthew Stafford. I want him to

2259
01:44:07,497 --> 01:44:10,257
Speaker 4: go win somewhere else. I would love to see Josh Allen.

2260
01:44:10,018 --> 01:44:11,977
Speaker 2: Win a super Bowl and not Buffalo. Yeah, that's fair,

2261
01:44:12,138 --> 01:44:14,057
Speaker 2: that's fine. I'm good with that. I can't the Bills

2262
01:44:14,058 --> 01:44:16,338
Speaker 2: can't win a super Bowl, and we're never gonna be

2263
01:44:16,338 --> 01:44:17,418
Speaker 2: on the same page about Coyle Shanahan.

2264
01:44:17,537 --> 01:44:18,777
Speaker 4: But he's not gonna win it this year, so you

2265
01:44:18,817 --> 01:44:20,897
Speaker 4: don't have to deal with him blowing the Super Bowl

2266
01:44:20,978 --> 01:44:21,378
Speaker 4: late again.

2267
01:44:21,458 --> 01:44:25,857
Speaker 2: Congratulations all right, Kendall is in North Carolina. What's we're

2268
01:44:25,897 --> 01:44:28,098
Speaker 2: big in North Carolina? Told me what, Kendall is not

2269
01:44:28,138 --> 01:44:30,338
Speaker 2: gonna win. It's the Bill Belichick effect. It's the Drake

2270
01:44:30,577 --> 01:44:32,898
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick effect. Good good.

2271
01:44:34,258 --> 01:44:36,897
Speaker 6: Of course was for and Alex.

2272
01:44:37,978 --> 01:44:40,017
Speaker 5: If we do win another game and whatnot? Where would

2273
01:44:40,058 --> 01:44:42,817
Speaker 5: you all draft Luther Burden? That would you draft him

2274
01:44:42,817 --> 01:44:44,617
Speaker 5: in the top pano maybe outside top?

2275
01:44:45,258 --> 01:44:46,058
Speaker 11: And I take it up.

2276
01:44:46,218 --> 01:44:48,977
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question, thanks Kendall. Yeah, because you

2277
01:44:49,577 --> 01:44:51,697
Speaker 2: good quick. We did this the other week. You raved

2278
01:44:51,737 --> 01:44:52,298
Speaker 2: about Luthor.

2279
01:44:52,697 --> 01:44:56,497
Speaker 4: You're ruling about Luthor Burden, and then you basically ended

2280
01:44:56,497 --> 01:44:57,418
Speaker 4: the segment saying, and.

2281
01:44:57,458 --> 01:44:59,497
Speaker 2: He's the third best receiver in the draft. I didn't

2282
01:44:59,497 --> 01:45:02,177
Speaker 2: say third is second? Where Drift Hunter?

2283
01:45:03,018 --> 01:45:03,138
Speaker 5: Uh?

2284
01:45:03,577 --> 01:45:07,097
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. But I'm I'm sort of coming around

2285
01:45:07,138 --> 01:45:09,418
Speaker 2: just to listen to some of the reporting out there

2286
01:45:09,577 --> 01:45:12,737
Speaker 2: by the insiders. It definitely does seem like jams around

2287
01:45:12,737 --> 01:45:14,418
Speaker 2: the league. Think Travis Hunters is going to say, what

2288
01:45:14,418 --> 01:45:17,097
Speaker 2: do you make of that? Jay Glazer report? Probably pretty accurate.

2289
01:45:17,138 --> 01:45:20,137
Speaker 2: So all right, so you you you drooled over Luthor Burden.

2290
01:45:20,817 --> 01:45:23,537
Speaker 2: You talked about how tentative you were on Tet McMillan.

2291
01:45:23,577 --> 01:45:25,097
Speaker 2: But then he said, but Tet mcmill is my wide

2292
01:45:25,138 --> 01:45:30,258
Speaker 2: receiver one. I tried not to let my stylistic biases

2293
01:45:30,777 --> 01:45:36,977
Speaker 2: creep into my rankings too much, because I always have

2294
01:45:37,138 --> 01:45:40,177
Speaker 2: this sort of back and forth internally with myself about

2295
01:45:40,178 --> 01:45:42,418
Speaker 2: how to treat the draft in terms of rankings, Like

2296
01:45:42,458 --> 01:45:45,617
Speaker 2: am I ranking as if I was Elliott Wolf? Or

2297
01:45:45,617 --> 01:45:48,137
Speaker 2: am I just ranking to be right about the players?

2298
01:45:48,218 --> 01:45:48,817
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

2299
01:45:48,897 --> 01:45:48,977
Speaker 5: Like?

2300
01:45:49,018 --> 01:45:50,977
Speaker 2: Am I ranking it as if I am just a

2301
01:45:51,018 --> 01:45:54,338
Speaker 2: generic NFL football team and just who's the best football player?

2302
01:45:54,817 --> 01:45:58,258
Speaker 2: Like if I'm ranking it with just who's the best

2303
01:45:58,258 --> 01:46:01,178
Speaker 2: football players? Like I try to take my biases of

2304
01:46:01,617 --> 01:46:04,017
Speaker 2: this guy's just not really my cup of tea out

2305
01:46:04,058 --> 01:46:07,777
Speaker 2: of it unless I'm really convicted that, like Quinton Johnson,

2306
01:46:07,857 --> 01:46:10,097
Speaker 2: Like I just did not see it with Quinton Johnston,

2307
01:46:10,418 --> 01:46:13,057
Speaker 2: and so I wasn't gonna allow myself to rank him,

2308
01:46:13,138 --> 01:46:16,057
Speaker 2: you know, highly, because of that. But with Ted McMillan,

2309
01:46:16,138 --> 01:46:18,777
Speaker 2: I see what everybody else sees. It's just I wouldn't

2310
01:46:18,817 --> 01:46:21,857
Speaker 2: build my offense around a player like that, Okay, I

2311
01:46:21,897 --> 01:46:25,017
Speaker 2: would build my offense around to Luther Burden. Are you

2312
01:46:25,018 --> 01:46:26,937
Speaker 2: taking Luther? I think he's a top twenty pick in

2313
01:46:27,018 --> 01:46:28,137
Speaker 2: this draft. Top twenty.

2314
01:46:28,178 --> 01:46:31,977
Speaker 4: Okay, so even if the Patriots win is both games, Yeah,

2315
01:46:32,018 --> 01:46:34,298
Speaker 4: it's still probably a trade down situation for you.

2316
01:46:34,537 --> 01:46:37,777
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I would love if because we had

2317
01:46:37,817 --> 01:46:40,018
Speaker 2: a caller. I think it was on Peu. Like, I

2318
01:46:40,497 --> 01:46:42,657
Speaker 2: would love if they could be in a situation where

2319
01:46:42,697 --> 01:46:45,097
Speaker 2: they trade back up from the top of the second

2320
01:46:45,178 --> 01:46:47,218
Speaker 2: round to grab a guy like Luther Burden. I just

2321
01:46:47,218 --> 01:46:48,537
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna fall that far.

2322
01:46:48,657 --> 01:46:49,897
Speaker 4: So all right, let me ask you if you say

2323
01:46:49,897 --> 01:46:52,857
Speaker 4: his top twenty pick. Yeah, let's say in this draft,

2324
01:46:52,937 --> 01:46:55,137
Speaker 4: like in this draft, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, let's say

2325
01:46:55,178 --> 01:46:55,737
Speaker 4: I'm looking at.

2326
01:46:55,697 --> 01:46:58,817
Speaker 2: The teams here. Oh, here's a good one.

2327
01:46:58,897 --> 01:47:03,097
Speaker 4: Okay, the Bengals at fourteen, they lose t Higgins. They

2328
01:47:03,138 --> 01:47:05,737
Speaker 4: need to add juice for Joe Burrow. Yeah, you know,

2329
01:47:06,018 --> 01:47:09,418
Speaker 4: you get in Tell the Bengals are taking Luther Burden

2330
01:47:09,458 --> 01:47:14,378
Speaker 4: at fourteen? Would you take him somewhere ten through thirteen?

2331
01:47:14,857 --> 01:47:17,258
Speaker 2: I think about that. Yeah, I would know that, like,

2332
01:47:17,298 --> 01:47:18,817
Speaker 2: all right, we're not gonna get him if we wait

2333
01:47:18,857 --> 01:47:21,657
Speaker 2: till eighteen nineteen twenty. Yeah, I would. I would. I

2334
01:47:21,657 --> 01:47:27,097
Speaker 2: I in this draft in particular now, and that might

2335
01:47:27,138 --> 01:47:30,578
Speaker 2: be trade down trade. Does the board does the board

2336
01:47:30,737 --> 01:47:33,257
Speaker 2: just for the fact that it's not a great receiver class.

2337
01:47:34,338 --> 01:47:36,137
Speaker 2: And well that's what I'm saying. So, like a couple

2338
01:47:36,138 --> 01:47:38,497
Speaker 2: of years ago, right when Jay Flowers and Jackson Smith

2339
01:47:38,537 --> 01:47:41,378
Speaker 2: and Jigba and Jordan Addison came out, they had the

2340
01:47:41,458 --> 01:47:44,378
Speaker 2: league adjusted for the fact that it wasn't Malik Neighbors,

2341
01:47:44,378 --> 01:47:47,338
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior and Romadonza right like they got drafted

2342
01:47:47,338 --> 01:47:49,338
Speaker 2: in the twenties. Yeah, I think they all went with

2343
01:47:49,378 --> 01:47:52,298
Speaker 2: four straight picks if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, in twenty

2344
01:47:52,338 --> 01:47:56,537
Speaker 2: twenty two or twenty three. Which draft was that? Twenty three,

2345
01:47:56,577 --> 01:47:58,857
Speaker 2: twenty three? Yep, yeah, sorry, twenty three, So Zay Flower,

2346
01:47:58,897 --> 01:48:02,737
Speaker 2: it was JSN, Zay Flowers, Addison, Quentin Johnson I think

2347
01:48:02,777 --> 01:48:05,178
Speaker 2: in that order, and they went with four picks in

2348
01:48:05,178 --> 01:48:07,137
Speaker 2: a row or like four or five picks or something

2349
01:48:07,178 --> 01:48:07,458
Speaker 2: like that.

2350
01:48:07,777 --> 01:48:10,657
Speaker 4: It was four picks in a row, js N, Johnston, Flowers, Addison.

2351
01:48:10,777 --> 01:48:12,817
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought Flowers went ahead of Johnson for

2352
01:48:12,817 --> 01:48:16,178
Speaker 2: some reason. No idiots, Uh, anyways, that man him on

2353
01:48:16,258 --> 01:48:20,257
Speaker 2: this Chargers team. Yeah, I mean whatever, Yeah, just draft

2354
01:48:20,298 --> 01:48:25,298
Speaker 2: stiff receivers. It's fine. So you look at this draft,

2355
01:48:25,338 --> 01:48:29,017
Speaker 2: I could I see that happening with Luther Burden, the

2356
01:48:29,098 --> 01:48:31,458
Speaker 2: kid from Ohiose Sate to BUCA. Right, like those types

2357
01:48:31,458 --> 01:48:33,697
Speaker 2: of players, you know, some of the guys, you know,

2358
01:48:33,857 --> 01:48:37,098
Speaker 2: Tory Horton or the kid from Texas, you know, like

2359
01:48:37,138 --> 01:48:39,737
Speaker 2: those guys. I could see that happening that the league

2360
01:48:39,817 --> 01:48:43,378
Speaker 2: is like in other years, this guy, we have to

2361
01:48:43,418 --> 01:48:45,697
Speaker 2: take the guy where he's worth on the board. Now

2362
01:48:45,978 --> 01:48:48,138
Speaker 2: in mis draft, I think Luther Burden could be in

2363
01:48:48,178 --> 01:48:50,737
Speaker 2: the top fifteen because he's the second best receiver in

2364
01:48:50,737 --> 01:48:51,097
Speaker 2: the draft.

2365
01:48:51,098 --> 01:48:53,817
Speaker 4: And the other thing is so in that draft, the

2366
01:48:53,937 --> 01:48:56,137
Speaker 4: kind of the consensus was in none of those guys

2367
01:48:56,138 --> 01:48:59,338
Speaker 4: were top picks. Yeah, so they fell. This one's a

2368
01:48:59,378 --> 01:49:03,937
Speaker 4: little different because bias aside. Is Ted McMillan going to

2369
01:49:04,018 --> 01:49:05,418
Speaker 4: go in the top six picks?

2370
01:49:05,777 --> 01:49:07,977
Speaker 2: I think he's top ten at least, right, Yeah, he's

2371
01:49:07,978 --> 01:49:10,897
Speaker 2: gonna ten. Ten is his floor? Right? Right? Yeah, he's

2372
01:49:10,937 --> 01:49:14,258
Speaker 2: gonna go. And now it's well, we got to get

2373
01:49:14,258 --> 01:49:14,977
Speaker 2: the next receiver.

2374
01:49:15,378 --> 01:49:18,697
Speaker 4: We need a receiver. So maybe Burden is a twenty

2375
01:49:18,737 --> 01:49:23,218
Speaker 4: to twenty five pick. But are are we really going

2376
01:49:23,258 --> 01:49:24,737
Speaker 4: to see in the first round of the draft where

2377
01:49:24,737 --> 01:49:28,218
Speaker 4: wide receivers go so often? Are fifteen picks going to

2378
01:49:28,298 --> 01:49:32,258
Speaker 4: go without a wide receiver going. When's the last time? Honestly, well,

2379
01:49:32,298 --> 01:49:34,138
Speaker 4: I guess that year that got to the twenties. But

2380
01:49:34,657 --> 01:49:36,777
Speaker 4: after the first receiver, when's the last time we went

2381
01:49:36,857 --> 01:49:40,298
Speaker 4: fifteen picks in the first round without another wide receiver taken?

2382
01:49:41,937 --> 01:49:42,977
Speaker 4: They always go in bunches.

2383
01:49:43,178 --> 01:49:44,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

2384
01:49:44,138 --> 01:49:47,418
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two is another example. You had five wide

2385
01:49:47,458 --> 01:49:49,737
Speaker 4: receivers going in the first round. Right, six wide receivers

2386
01:49:49,737 --> 01:49:52,097
Speaker 4: go in the first round. They went in the span

2387
01:49:52,178 --> 01:49:56,537
Speaker 4: of ten picks. Drake London went eighth, Treylon Burks went eighteenth. Yeah,

2388
01:49:56,577 --> 01:49:58,777
Speaker 4: so you had same thing at twenty twenty one. A

2389
01:49:58,777 --> 01:50:02,017
Speaker 4: bunch of wide receivers went five, six, ten, and then

2390
01:50:02,018 --> 01:50:04,298
Speaker 4: you jumped to twenty in twenty seven. So there was

2391
01:50:04,338 --> 01:50:06,057
Speaker 4: a little bit of a jump there. But it's like

2392
01:50:06,857 --> 01:50:09,298
Speaker 4: McMillan's gonna go and teams unless there's a team that

2393
01:50:09,338 --> 01:50:11,617
Speaker 4: fused Hunter as a wide receiver, and maybe that exkews it.

2394
01:50:11,697 --> 01:50:13,378
Speaker 4: But this is going to be so hard to read

2395
01:50:13,378 --> 01:50:15,737
Speaker 4: the board this year. Travis Hunter, it's gonna make it.

2396
01:50:15,777 --> 01:50:18,138
Speaker 4: I'm realizing, like in real time he's good off he

2397
01:50:18,178 --> 01:50:18,817
Speaker 4: makes the draft.

2398
01:50:18,897 --> 01:50:20,577
Speaker 2: No, I mean, he's going to be a top five pick.

2399
01:50:20,657 --> 01:50:23,698
Speaker 4: So I, well, but the trickle down, right.

2400
01:50:23,657 --> 01:50:25,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I still feel like Teed McMillan is still

2401
01:50:25,897 --> 01:50:28,657
Speaker 2: a top ten pick even if the team treats Travis Hunters.

2402
01:50:28,777 --> 01:50:30,897
Speaker 4: Sure, but no, But I mean it's like, if Travis

2403
01:50:30,978 --> 01:50:34,137
Speaker 4: hunter goes, are more teams panicking about the corners going

2404
01:50:34,178 --> 01:50:37,257
Speaker 4: early or more teams panicking about the receivers going early corners?

2405
01:50:37,378 --> 01:50:39,777
Speaker 2: I think that because it's really just him and Will Johnson.

2406
01:50:39,857 --> 01:50:42,577
Speaker 4: Okay, so, but the point being like, I don't think

2407
01:50:42,617 --> 01:50:44,258
Speaker 4: team is gonna wait around that long to take the

2408
01:50:44,258 --> 01:50:44,897
Speaker 4: second receiver.

2409
01:50:45,298 --> 01:50:49,617
Speaker 2: Yeah, and receivers like Luther Burden that have that kind

2410
01:50:49,617 --> 01:50:52,777
Speaker 2: of explosiveness and that kind of big playability really at

2411
01:50:52,817 --> 01:50:54,937
Speaker 2: all three levels where you can like scheme touch him

2412
01:50:55,018 --> 01:50:56,657
Speaker 2: or you can throw the ball on a vertical down

2413
01:50:56,697 --> 01:50:58,577
Speaker 2: the field. Like those types of guys don't last long

2414
01:50:58,617 --> 01:50:59,418
Speaker 2: in the NFL draft.

2415
01:50:59,458 --> 01:51:00,937
Speaker 4: I still think that Chiefs are going to give up

2416
01:51:00,978 --> 01:51:02,338
Speaker 4: a ton to move up and get him to.

2417
01:51:02,378 --> 01:51:05,057
Speaker 2: Be a good pick. All right, Eldred is in North Carolina?

2418
01:51:05,098 --> 01:51:13,018
Speaker 2: What's up, Eldred? There? It is Christmas? Thank you?

2419
01:51:13,098 --> 01:51:18,458
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, sir, I'm kind of kind of count of

2420
01:51:18,737 --> 01:51:25,098
Speaker 8: fun a little bit with I Like, he's got this burnspeed.

2421
01:51:26,098 --> 01:51:28,617
Speaker 8: But Travis huntert y'all wouldn't try to make him a

2422
01:51:28,617 --> 01:51:32,497
Speaker 8: wide receiver instead of a corner first.

2423
01:51:32,777 --> 01:51:35,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about that in the past, Eldred and

2424
01:51:35,338 --> 01:51:38,657
Speaker 2: I definitely would think about it. You know, if that's

2425
01:51:38,657 --> 01:51:40,497
Speaker 2: the side of the ball that he wants to play

2426
01:51:40,817 --> 01:51:43,058
Speaker 2: and he's more committed to being a receiver, I'm not

2427
01:51:43,058 --> 01:51:45,418
Speaker 2: gonna tell him that he can't be right like it's

2428
01:51:45,458 --> 01:51:46,497
Speaker 2: it's that sort of thing to me.

2429
01:51:46,537 --> 01:51:49,497
Speaker 4: I wouldn't play him both ways if I think, if

2430
01:51:49,497 --> 01:51:51,537
Speaker 4: you're the Patriots, it makes much more sense if you're

2431
01:51:51,537 --> 01:51:53,378
Speaker 4: gonna draft him, to draft him as a receiver. And

2432
01:51:53,697 --> 01:51:55,497
Speaker 4: we kind of talked to him about him being like

2433
01:51:55,537 --> 01:51:59,137
Speaker 4: a third down corner. Yeah, maybe or a spot corner.

2434
01:51:59,857 --> 01:52:02,137
Speaker 4: But based on all the reporting right now, it sounds

2435
01:52:02,138 --> 01:52:05,337
Speaker 4: like the majority of the teams see him as a cornerback.

2436
01:52:05,418 --> 01:52:08,017
Speaker 4: I understand why. I think his ceiling is higher both.

2437
01:52:08,058 --> 01:52:10,218
Speaker 4: I think his football ceiling. I think his caliber of

2438
01:52:10,218 --> 01:52:13,697
Speaker 4: a players hires a corner, And honestly, if I'm advising him,

2439
01:52:14,258 --> 01:52:16,057
Speaker 4: I think he makes more money as a corner in.

2440
01:52:16,018 --> 01:52:18,178
Speaker 2: The NFL too. That's the biggest thing to so the

2441
01:52:18,218 --> 01:52:21,977
Speaker 2: wide receiver contract, the big wide receiver contract is worth

2442
01:52:22,018 --> 01:52:23,698
Speaker 2: more in the biggest corner contract.

2443
01:52:23,737 --> 01:52:26,418
Speaker 4: But you look at the way he's built. He's gonna

2444
01:52:26,458 --> 01:52:30,657
Speaker 4: get one, maybe two big contracts as a receiver. He

2445
01:52:30,777 --> 01:52:32,937
Speaker 4: might get three as a corner. Like he'll last a

2446
01:52:32,937 --> 01:52:35,817
Speaker 4: lot longer as a corner. I think he makes more money,

2447
01:52:35,857 --> 01:52:37,497
Speaker 4: honestly if he plays corner than receiver.

2448
01:52:38,218 --> 01:52:41,298
Speaker 8: Okay, one more, one more question. Let y'all go, yeah,

2449
01:52:41,617 --> 01:52:44,617
Speaker 8: and I take it off there. Do you trust Wolf

2450
01:52:44,978 --> 01:52:47,138
Speaker 8: to make the right move? I didn't trust them last year.

2451
01:52:47,178 --> 01:52:48,418
Speaker 8: I don't think I trust him this year.

2452
01:52:50,697 --> 01:52:55,537
Speaker 2: Thanks Eldred, Yeah, thank you. Love the horn. I think

2453
01:52:55,577 --> 01:52:59,178
Speaker 2: we're getting into the territory now where we've talked a

2454
01:52:59,258 --> 01:53:00,537
Speaker 2: lot about the coaching.

2455
01:53:00,258 --> 01:53:02,057
Speaker 4: Right, it's trying to start talking about the front office

2456
01:53:02,058 --> 01:53:02,258
Speaker 4: and a.

2457
01:53:02,258 --> 01:53:05,338
Speaker 2: Lot about Gid Mayo. And just my two cents, this

2458
01:53:05,418 --> 01:53:08,857
Speaker 2: is just my opinion. We're probably in the territory now

2459
01:53:08,897 --> 01:53:10,897
Speaker 2: at Girod Mayo where he's going to get a second year.

2460
01:53:10,978 --> 01:53:13,058
Speaker 2: It seems to be that way. Yeah, I would be

2461
01:53:13,098 --> 01:53:16,657
Speaker 2: pretty shocked. They would have to have like they would

2462
01:53:16,737 --> 01:53:19,497
Speaker 2: have to lose forty five to nothing to I think

2463
01:53:19,497 --> 01:53:20,937
Speaker 2: it's more than that. I think you would have to

2464
01:53:20,978 --> 01:53:23,418
Speaker 2: see like fights on the sideline. Yeah, it would have

2465
01:53:23,497 --> 01:53:27,378
Speaker 2: to have a complete implosion at this point for Girod

2466
01:53:27,458 --> 01:53:30,338
Speaker 2: Mayo to not be back for a second season. It

2467
01:53:30,537 --> 01:53:33,378
Speaker 2: is that the best thing we could debate that, you know,

2468
01:53:33,458 --> 01:53:37,338
Speaker 2: Like I understand that there's multiple size of this. I

2469
01:53:37,418 --> 01:53:40,697
Speaker 2: really also then feel, and I feel pretty strongly about this.

2470
01:53:41,897 --> 01:53:44,857
Speaker 2: Scapegoating Alex van Pelt for what's gone on here, I

2471
01:53:44,937 --> 01:53:45,897
Speaker 2: think would be a mistake.

2472
01:53:45,978 --> 01:53:47,258
Speaker 4: I could not agree with you more.

2473
01:53:47,298 --> 01:53:50,177
Speaker 2: I actually think that the person that's done the best

2474
01:53:50,298 --> 01:53:53,617
Speaker 2: job at his job on the coaching staff is probably Vampel.

2475
01:53:53,737 --> 01:53:55,937
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he can't make changes below him, yeah, And

2476
01:53:55,978 --> 01:53:58,657
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean he's been perfect. Yeah, certainly hasn't. Like

2477
01:53:58,697 --> 01:54:01,097
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of criticism of his play calling,

2478
01:54:01,897 --> 01:54:04,897
Speaker 2: mostly the play design and the creativity of the offense,

2479
01:54:05,218 --> 01:54:07,097
Speaker 2: and then the red zone stuff we talked about earlier.

2480
01:54:07,098 --> 01:54:09,537
Speaker 2: I put that as much on Vapelt as anybody. But

2481
01:54:09,777 --> 01:54:12,258
Speaker 2: at the same time, he's done a nice job with

2482
01:54:12,338 --> 01:54:15,777
Speaker 2: Drake may They seem to have a good relationship working together.

2483
01:54:16,138 --> 01:54:18,977
Speaker 2: There's enough there from a base offense that I see

2484
01:54:18,978 --> 01:54:21,458
Speaker 2: that if they had better personnel what they are trying

2485
01:54:21,497 --> 01:54:24,097
Speaker 2: to execute and how they would be able to do it,

2486
01:54:24,697 --> 01:54:26,657
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, like, what message

2487
01:54:26,697 --> 01:54:29,218
Speaker 2: does that kind of send to the organization that the

2488
01:54:29,258 --> 01:54:32,338
Speaker 2: guy that actually did the best job, right, because some

2489
01:54:32,458 --> 01:54:34,538
Speaker 2: head has to roll for three and twelve or three

2490
01:54:34,538 --> 01:54:36,738
Speaker 2: and thirteen or whatever. The frick the math is now

2491
01:54:37,498 --> 01:54:40,618
Speaker 2: three and fourteen because some head has to roll for that,

2492
01:54:40,658 --> 01:54:43,057
Speaker 2: We're just gonna We're gonna can they know that's done

2493
01:54:43,098 --> 01:54:43,618
Speaker 2: the best job?

2494
01:54:43,698 --> 01:54:45,937
Speaker 4: What message does is cent to potential candidates if you're

2495
01:54:45,978 --> 01:54:48,338
Speaker 4: looking for somebody to upgrade, like they know they're not

2496
01:54:48,338 --> 01:54:49,698
Speaker 4: coming in a ton of job security.

2497
01:54:49,858 --> 01:54:51,418
Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with you, And that's not say

2498
01:54:51,418 --> 01:54:54,057
Speaker 2: Alex em Pelt should be offensive coordinator for life. Yeah,

2499
01:54:54,218 --> 01:54:55,818
Speaker 2: he's just earned a second year.

2500
01:54:55,858 --> 01:54:58,058
Speaker 4: I'll say this on the Elliott Wolf thing, and I

2501
01:54:58,178 --> 01:55:00,378
Speaker 4: know that people might laugh at me saying this. When

2502
01:55:00,418 --> 01:55:03,538
Speaker 4: it comes to the Patriots in their draft history, I

2503
01:55:03,578 --> 01:55:06,498
Speaker 4: think there are certainly some So I assume he's asked

2504
01:55:06,498 --> 01:55:09,378
Speaker 4: about the draft getting right, bigger picture, free agencies and another story.

2505
01:55:09,378 --> 01:55:12,418
Speaker 4: But when we're talking about that top draft pick, how

2506
01:55:12,418 --> 01:55:16,937
Speaker 4: many wrong picks really are there? There's definitely some picks

2507
01:55:16,937 --> 01:55:20,338
Speaker 4: that are better than others, but you look at the

2508
01:55:20,378 --> 01:55:24,498
Speaker 4: majority of the board Travis Hunter would be a good pick.

2509
01:55:24,978 --> 01:55:27,738
Speaker 4: We're not gonna complain if they draft Travis Hunter. Abdul

2510
01:55:27,818 --> 01:55:29,658
Speaker 4: Carter would be a good pick. We're not gonna complain

2511
01:55:29,698 --> 01:55:32,658
Speaker 4: if they draft at to Carter. I will say Ted McMillan.

2512
01:55:32,298 --> 01:55:34,897
Speaker 2: Would be a good pick. Yeah, like pending free agency,

2513
01:55:34,897 --> 01:55:38,578
Speaker 2: and I will be nervous. It's a good so I

2514
01:55:38,698 --> 01:55:41,937
Speaker 2: left him. There's some picks that are better than others. Yeah,

2515
01:55:41,978 --> 01:55:44,937
Speaker 2: how many Will Carr Will Campbell would be a good pick?

2516
01:55:46,258 --> 01:55:49,578
Speaker 4: How many like bad picks really are there? Because they

2517
01:55:49,578 --> 01:55:50,978
Speaker 4: have so many needs.

2518
01:55:50,858 --> 01:55:52,498
Speaker 2: Right, there's not a lot of bad paces at the

2519
01:55:52,498 --> 01:55:54,578
Speaker 2: top of the first I agree with you, And it's

2520
01:55:54,618 --> 01:55:57,218
Speaker 2: pretty hard to miss on a pick that high.

2521
01:55:57,298 --> 01:55:59,378
Speaker 4: The only guy I look at that I'm like, I

2522
01:55:59,458 --> 01:56:01,058
Speaker 4: really hope they don't draft him at the top. And

2523
01:56:01,098 --> 01:56:02,578
Speaker 4: it's not even that he's a bad player. I just

2524
01:56:02,618 --> 01:56:05,097
Speaker 4: don't think there's a spot for him. And we talked

2525
01:56:05,098 --> 01:56:06,218
Speaker 4: about this, I think it was last week.

2526
01:56:06,338 --> 01:56:07,017
Speaker 2: Is Mason Graham?

2527
01:56:07,098 --> 01:56:09,658
Speaker 4: Yeah, he too redundant with Christian Barmore. It's one of

2528
01:56:09,738 --> 01:56:12,217
Speaker 4: the few spots you have a good player, you really can't.

2529
01:56:12,298 --> 01:56:14,418
Speaker 4: It's not like even if they took Will Johnson, like

2530
01:56:14,498 --> 01:56:16,338
Speaker 4: you can play him a Gonzalez at the same time.

2531
01:56:16,338 --> 01:56:20,098
Speaker 4: It's gonna be very hard to play Mason Graham and

2532
01:56:21,138 --> 01:56:24,057
Speaker 4: Christian Barmore at the same time. That's really the only

2533
01:56:24,098 --> 01:56:25,458
Speaker 4: guy I look at when I look at the top

2534
01:56:25,458 --> 01:56:27,338
Speaker 4: of this list, and obviously the quarterbacks, but they're not

2535
01:56:27,378 --> 01:56:30,057
Speaker 4: going to do that. Mason Graham is the only guy

2536
01:56:30,098 --> 01:56:32,498
Speaker 4: I looking at the top of this list and say like, yeah,

2537
01:56:32,498 --> 01:56:34,937
Speaker 4: I'd be unhappy if they draft him. I'd be happier

2538
01:56:34,978 --> 01:56:38,498
Speaker 4: with some than others, but there aren't a lot of

2539
01:56:38,578 --> 01:56:39,658
Speaker 4: bad picks on the board.

2540
01:56:39,858 --> 01:56:42,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, So really quickly on Wolf. What's that on your sleeve?

2541
01:56:42,578 --> 01:56:46,017
Speaker 2: By the way, why don get me started? And got

2542
01:56:46,058 --> 01:56:48,658
Speaker 2: pain on it? All right? Anyways, really quickly on Wolf

2543
01:56:48,698 --> 01:56:50,098
Speaker 2: and then we gotta get out of here. So I

2544
01:56:50,178 --> 01:56:52,778
Speaker 2: just want to do two seconds on the Chargers. Uh.

2545
01:56:52,818 --> 01:56:56,378
Speaker 2: The biggest thing to me with Wolf moving forward is

2546
01:56:56,458 --> 01:57:00,338
Speaker 2: really one closing in free agency. I think that's gonna

2547
01:57:00,378 --> 01:57:06,618
Speaker 2: be harder than just in terms of evaluating who they

2548
01:57:06,658 --> 01:57:09,778
Speaker 2: should go after. I believe that part is kind of

2549
01:57:09,778 --> 01:57:11,738
Speaker 2: easy to be honest with you, like, who are the

2550
01:57:11,738 --> 01:57:14,618
Speaker 2: players you want? Is not the hard part. The hard

2551
01:57:14,658 --> 01:57:17,298
Speaker 2: part is getting the contract signed and across the finish

2552
01:57:17,338 --> 01:57:19,498
Speaker 2: line and getting that player in your building. Well, it's closing.

2553
01:57:19,937 --> 01:57:21,298
Speaker 4: I know we got a wrap, but like I think

2554
01:57:21,378 --> 01:57:24,858
Speaker 4: it's not just honestly, they need to make trades. They're

2555
01:57:24,858 --> 01:57:27,017
Speaker 4: not gonna get everything they want for agency. I've said this,

2556
01:57:27,058 --> 01:57:29,698
Speaker 4: I think t Higgins is going back to Cincinnati. It's

2557
01:57:29,778 --> 01:57:31,818
Speaker 4: dk Metcalf and I don't know if you saw the

2558
01:57:31,858 --> 01:57:33,978
Speaker 4: Athletic Football Podcast.

2559
01:57:33,538 --> 01:57:37,138
Speaker 2: This week, it was Robert these people are giving you

2560
01:57:37,178 --> 01:57:38,057
Speaker 2: credence here.

2561
01:57:38,018 --> 01:57:41,097
Speaker 4: Robert Mas and Dereklass and we're both talking about, Yeah,

2562
01:57:41,178 --> 01:57:44,578
Speaker 4: the Seahawks and move Metcalf. Like, I still think he's

2563
01:57:44,618 --> 01:57:46,578
Speaker 4: gonna be the best guy available at that position.

2564
01:57:46,738 --> 01:57:50,138
Speaker 2: So I'm not as concerned about them being able to

2565
01:57:50,218 --> 01:57:52,897
Speaker 2: identify the players that they want in free agency. I'm

2566
01:57:52,937 --> 01:57:55,178
Speaker 2: more concerned about them getting the players that they want

2567
01:57:55,218 --> 01:57:55,937
Speaker 2: in free agency.

2568
01:57:56,018 --> 01:57:58,618
Speaker 4: A little breaking news to Sean Jackson named the head coach.

2569
01:57:58,458 --> 01:58:02,017
Speaker 2: At uh this is what you interrupt me for Delaware State,

2570
01:58:02,058 --> 01:58:05,298
Speaker 2: DeShawn that's mike Vic DeShawn Jackson. That's kind of cool.

2571
01:58:05,618 --> 01:58:05,738
Speaker 5: Uh.

2572
01:58:06,418 --> 01:58:09,578
Speaker 2: So that's the biggest thing to me because they they

2573
01:58:09,578 --> 01:58:13,178
Speaker 2: are still not like a great destination. They're they're more

2574
01:58:13,178 --> 01:58:15,378
Speaker 2: attractive than they were a year ago because of Drake

2575
01:58:15,418 --> 01:58:18,257
Speaker 2: May for an offensive player of T Higgins or DK

2576
01:58:18,378 --> 01:58:21,258
Speaker 2: Metcalf or whatever. But those guys are gonna have tons

2577
01:58:21,298 --> 01:58:24,218
Speaker 2: of options. They're gonna have tons of options that are

2578
01:58:24,258 --> 01:58:26,818
Speaker 2: gonna pay him tons of money. So it's not your

2579
01:58:26,858 --> 01:58:29,258
Speaker 2: money is not going to just be the only reason

2580
01:58:29,258 --> 01:58:31,498
Speaker 2: why you get the player. Don't get the player. So

2581
01:58:31,498 --> 01:58:35,977
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to sell that player on something. And

2582
01:58:36,018 --> 01:58:38,258
Speaker 2: that's on Elliott Wolf, Like, that's on that staff and

2583
01:58:38,338 --> 01:58:43,897
Speaker 2: girodmeyo a little bit too to persuade Elliott Wolf to

2584
01:58:43,937 --> 01:58:46,897
Speaker 2: persuade T Higgins or whoever it is to sign with the Patriots.

2585
01:58:47,178 --> 01:58:51,178
Speaker 2: Just a quick story aside. You know in in Tennessee,

2586
01:58:51,458 --> 01:58:53,378
Speaker 2: you know, big thing that I had heard from a

2587
01:58:53,418 --> 01:58:55,458
Speaker 2: lot of their beat writers and stuff like that about

2588
01:58:55,458 --> 01:58:59,138
Speaker 2: the Calvin Ridley sweepstakes. Ran Carthin, their GM is this

2589
01:58:59,218 --> 01:59:02,977
Speaker 2: sort of closer like he's like, do you ever watch suits? No,

2590
01:59:03,058 --> 01:59:05,738
Speaker 2: But I understand that he's Harvey Spector right, Like he

2591
01:59:05,818 --> 01:59:09,698
Speaker 2: comes in and he gets the deal done, and that

2592
01:59:10,937 --> 01:59:13,177
Speaker 2: might have been the difference. Now there was other things

2593
01:59:13,218 --> 01:59:15,778
Speaker 2: like you know, the whole location and money and all that.

2594
01:59:15,858 --> 01:59:18,937
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but ran Carthin apparently is this guy that

2595
01:59:19,058 --> 01:59:20,578
Speaker 2: just comes in and closes deals.

2596
01:59:20,418 --> 01:59:22,818
Speaker 4: Something to make those something that makes those things like

2597
01:59:23,058 --> 01:59:24,858
Speaker 4: a factor is how it's pitched right.

2598
01:59:25,138 --> 01:59:27,258
Speaker 2: So that's that's a big thing to me. And then

2599
01:59:27,458 --> 01:59:30,298
Speaker 2: in the draft, it's all about what you do in

2600
01:59:30,698 --> 01:59:34,538
Speaker 2: two through seven. I'm not trying to totally take credit

2601
01:59:34,578 --> 01:59:36,738
Speaker 2: away from them for taking a guy like Drake may.

2602
01:59:36,658 --> 01:59:39,498
Speaker 4: We took too many calls on Marvin Harrison to he

2603
01:59:39,578 --> 01:59:40,498
Speaker 4: was a slam dunk pick.

2604
01:59:40,538 --> 01:59:43,498
Speaker 2: Right, But it's sort of similar now where you're gonna

2605
01:59:43,498 --> 01:59:45,538
Speaker 2: have you're gonna pick two overall, you're gonna have a

2606
01:59:45,538 --> 01:59:47,498
Speaker 2: board of four or five guys, and all four or

2607
01:59:47,538 --> 01:59:49,778
Speaker 2: five you have a really strong case to make the pick.

2608
01:59:50,298 --> 01:59:52,378
Speaker 2: So it's not gonna be the hardest pick in the

2609
01:59:52,378 --> 01:59:57,738
Speaker 2: world in the first round. Jalen Polk, Kendon Wallace, Javon Baker, like,

2610
01:59:57,778 --> 02:00:00,378
Speaker 2: those are the guys that make you gms great like

2611
02:00:00,418 --> 02:00:03,218
Speaker 2: those are. That's how Howie Roseman is one of the

2612
02:00:03,218 --> 02:00:05,618
Speaker 2: best GMS in football. That's how Brett Viach is one

2613
02:00:05,618 --> 02:00:08,618
Speaker 2: of the best gms in football. Those guys make their

2614
02:00:08,738 --> 02:00:11,937
Speaker 2: money on Days two and three in the draft. Yeah,

2615
02:00:12,018 --> 02:00:15,137
Speaker 2: and so that's gonna be big for Wolf. He's gonna

2616
02:00:15,138 --> 02:00:17,137
Speaker 2: get it, Like just like Girod's gonna get the second

2617
02:00:17,178 --> 02:00:19,498
Speaker 2: year as the head coach. Elliott Wolf is gonna be

2618
02:00:19,498 --> 02:00:22,258
Speaker 2: the one picking the groceries and the offseason for the Patriots.

2619
02:00:22,897 --> 02:00:25,898
Speaker 2: His future with this team will be decided by this offseason.

2620
02:00:26,138 --> 02:00:28,738
Speaker 2: If he strikes out this offseason, he's he's probably gonna

2621
02:00:28,738 --> 02:00:32,778
Speaker 2: be I. They both problem. Yeah, So really quickly on

2622
02:00:32,858 --> 02:00:36,098
Speaker 2: the Chargers, my big uh, you know the thing I'm

2623
02:00:36,418 --> 02:00:40,977
Speaker 2: looking for in this game, really really good defensive mind

2624
02:00:41,258 --> 02:00:44,338
Speaker 2: coming here with the Chargers. Jesse Minter probably gonna be

2625
02:00:44,338 --> 02:00:47,818
Speaker 2: a head coach in the league, not before long. Really

2626
02:00:48,058 --> 02:00:50,258
Speaker 2: one of those He's a tighte pants guy on the

2627
02:00:50,258 --> 02:00:52,738
Speaker 2: defense side of the ball, right, Like he's he's Mike McDonald,

2628
02:00:52,858 --> 02:00:56,097
Speaker 2: he's Demiko Ryans. Like he's one of those types of guys.

2629
02:00:56,897 --> 02:01:02,977
Speaker 2: Uh maybet better than Stale, but he's one of those guys.

2630
02:01:02,978 --> 02:01:05,418
Speaker 2: It's a schemer, like he's a mastermind. Right, he's gonna

2631
02:01:05,418 --> 02:01:07,418
Speaker 2: come in. He's gonna be really good on the x's

2632
02:01:07,418 --> 02:01:09,057
Speaker 2: and o's. He's gonna be really good at knowing your

2633
02:01:09,098 --> 02:01:12,458
Speaker 2: ten season situational tend and seas in particular. So that

2634
02:01:12,578 --> 02:01:15,378
Speaker 2: is a really tough matchup for Alex fann Pelt. We

2635
02:01:15,418 --> 02:01:17,658
Speaker 2: talk about him getting his second year here and all

2636
02:01:17,658 --> 02:01:19,458
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You know, this is one of

2637
02:01:19,498 --> 02:01:21,658
Speaker 2: those games I thought the Bills are kind of a

2638
02:01:21,738 --> 02:01:23,618
Speaker 2: do what you do type of defense. You sort of

2639
02:01:23,698 --> 02:01:25,538
Speaker 2: know you're gonna get four to three over, you're gonna

2640
02:01:25,538 --> 02:01:27,818
Speaker 2: get Cover two, you're gonna get Manta man. You kind

2641
02:01:27,818 --> 02:01:29,897
Speaker 2: of know what the Bills are gonna do. Uh, this

2642
02:01:30,538 --> 02:01:32,498
Speaker 2: Chargers team is gonna spin the dial a lot more

2643
02:01:32,538 --> 02:01:35,178
Speaker 2: on Drake May. So big game for Alex van Pelt,

2644
02:01:35,258 --> 02:01:37,818
Speaker 2: big game for Drake May going up against a pretty

2645
02:01:37,858 --> 02:01:41,858
Speaker 2: good Chargers defense to show some chops there. But defensively

2646
02:01:41,897 --> 02:01:45,098
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, I still feel like this is a

2647
02:01:45,138 --> 02:01:47,538
Speaker 2: game that they can compete in like they did against Buffalo.

2648
02:01:47,778 --> 02:01:50,778
Speaker 2: I look at this Chargers offense. It's Lad McConkie, like

2649
02:01:50,818 --> 02:01:51,938
Speaker 2: it's Lad McConkie.

2650
02:01:52,418 --> 02:01:55,418
Speaker 4: And Will Disley's their second leading receiver and he's hurt.

2651
02:01:56,098 --> 02:02:01,738
Speaker 2: It's really not a passing offense. Great quarterback, one really

2652
02:02:01,738 --> 02:02:04,578
Speaker 2: good receiver. They just played a great quarterback and one

2653
02:02:04,618 --> 02:02:07,258
Speaker 2: really good receiver, and Josh Allen and Khalil Shakir and

2654
02:02:07,298 --> 02:02:10,458
Speaker 2: did a really good job this game. To me, defensively

2655
02:02:10,458 --> 02:02:13,338
Speaker 2: has a ton of carryover. The one caveat is that

2656
02:02:13,458 --> 02:02:17,017
Speaker 2: the Chargers will run the ball. They will not. They

2657
02:02:17,058 --> 02:02:20,418
Speaker 2: won't pull a Joe Brady Josh Allen and get baited

2658
02:02:20,458 --> 02:02:22,498
Speaker 2: into throwing the ball forty times in a game. They

2659
02:02:22,498 --> 02:02:24,578
Speaker 2: don't need to be throwing the ball forty times. They're

2660
02:02:24,618 --> 02:02:26,498
Speaker 2: gonna be two back. They're gonna put a full back

2661
02:02:26,538 --> 02:02:29,858
Speaker 2: in the backfield. They're gonna put Justin Herbert under center

2662
02:02:30,058 --> 02:02:31,897
Speaker 2: or in the still and they're gonna run the ball,

2663
02:02:32,218 --> 02:02:34,298
Speaker 2: and if the Patriots can't stop it and get them

2664
02:02:34,298 --> 02:02:38,538
Speaker 2: into third down situations, then it will be a Charger game.

2665
02:02:38,618 --> 02:02:41,258
Speaker 2: Like the Chargers will control the game. Yeah, I agree

2666
02:02:41,258 --> 02:02:42,138
Speaker 2: with a lot of that. I know we've got to

2667
02:02:42,138 --> 02:02:42,578
Speaker 2: get out of here.

2668
02:02:42,618 --> 02:02:45,177
Speaker 4: I just I think it's a tougher team than the Bills,

2669
02:02:45,178 --> 02:02:46,578
Speaker 4: and they're gonna have to win it if they can

2670
02:02:46,858 --> 02:02:48,378
Speaker 4: win at the line of scrimmag which is than if

2671
02:02:48,378 --> 02:02:49,498
Speaker 4: with this team, if they can win at the line

2672
02:02:49,498 --> 02:02:50,698
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. I don't know if they win, but they

2673
02:02:50,738 --> 02:02:52,338
Speaker 4: keep it close. I know some people look at it

2674
02:02:52,458 --> 02:02:54,418
Speaker 4: as four and a half as the number is being

2675
02:02:54,738 --> 02:02:57,258
Speaker 4: you know, surprised it's that low. You also have the

2676
02:02:57,258 --> 02:02:59,897
Speaker 4: whole thing about West Coast Dome team coming to the Northeast.

2677
02:03:00,178 --> 02:03:02,897
Speaker 4: Herbert has not been good here in Jillette Stadium, especially

2678
02:03:03,018 --> 02:03:05,458
Speaker 4: late in the year. I think the Chargers are probably

2679
02:03:05,498 --> 02:03:07,498
Speaker 4: trying to win this game, like thirteen to ten.

2680
02:03:07,658 --> 02:03:11,057
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also say they the Chargers don't run

2681
02:03:11,098 --> 02:03:13,858
Speaker 2: away from you and the scoreboard necessarily like the Bills can.

2682
02:03:13,937 --> 02:03:16,057
Speaker 2: The Bills can be a wagon and they can hang

2683
02:03:16,138 --> 02:03:18,017
Speaker 2: forty five on you and just run away from you.

2684
02:03:18,378 --> 02:03:21,177
Speaker 2: This Chargers team is nineteenth in the points per game.

2685
02:03:21,498 --> 02:03:24,338
Speaker 2: They're fifteenth in DVOA. On offense. They have a really

2686
02:03:24,378 --> 02:03:27,298
Speaker 2: good quarterback, but they're not a great offense yet they

2687
02:03:27,298 --> 02:03:30,658
Speaker 2: still have holes. Receiving corps is still not scaring a

2688
02:03:30,658 --> 02:03:34,658
Speaker 2: lot of people. So this Charger game could be a

2689
02:03:34,698 --> 02:03:39,057
Speaker 2: Patriots style game where it's twenty to seventeen, right, seventeen fourteen,

2690
02:03:39,138 --> 02:03:41,858
Speaker 2: twenty to seventeen. I think I paid twenty fourteen on

2691
02:03:42,018 --> 02:03:44,498
Speaker 2: PU Like that's a score that the Patriots could win

2692
02:03:44,538 --> 02:03:46,937
Speaker 2: a game within. The Bills are a little bit different.

2693
02:03:46,978 --> 02:03:48,858
Speaker 2: The Bills you had to score and you knew it.

2694
02:03:48,978 --> 02:03:52,897
Speaker 2: So that's the Chargers on Sunday. I hope our Saturday.

2695
02:03:52,937 --> 02:03:55,738
Speaker 2: Excuse me, open the future we do shows again where

2696
02:03:55,778 --> 02:03:59,338
Speaker 2: we have like a long game preview segment. It just

2697
02:03:59,618 --> 02:04:02,217
Speaker 2: it feels like we haven't really cared about the games

2698
02:04:02,458 --> 02:04:04,818
Speaker 2: in a while, and I hope that changes here soon.

2699
02:04:05,298 --> 02:04:08,057
Speaker 2: But we'll be back next week, one more regular season

2700
02:04:08,098 --> 02:04:10,178
Speaker 2: to go, game to go against the Bills here at

2701
02:04:10,218 --> 02:04:13,218
Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium. We'll obviously talk plenty of draft in the

2702
02:04:13,218 --> 02:04:16,177
Speaker 2: offseason as well at that point, but until then, bud

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