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Speaker 1: really builds on and strengthens the criminal case that Detective

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Speaker 1: Jordan Mirakian put together during his investigation, and U S

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Speaker 1: Attorney Scott Tenley goes on a lot of field trips

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Speaker 1: to suss everything out. One of the other things I

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Speaker 1: I went to Laguna Beach Police Department with Jordan's and

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Speaker 1: Special Agent Kim from the I R S. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: WELLY sees all these boxes from Lizzie, Um, maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: find I can't remember, we're looking for bank records. He's like,

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Speaker 1: let's go look, and so we go to the back

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Speaker 1: their evidence trailer. I think I immediately got high from

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Speaker 1: all the marijuana that they had stored there, and so

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Speaker 1: we're looking through boxes that I'm like, guys, I think

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Speaker 1: we gotta do the outside. At one point that was

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Speaker 1: one of my earliest case memories working with Jordan's. It's

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Speaker 1: really funny. So they had confiscated a lot of marijuana,

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Speaker 1: tons of marijuana there and I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: they sealed in bags. Maybe it was just open, but

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Speaker 1: it was like that seemed to be most of their

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Speaker 1: evidence locker at the time. Is really funny. Hi Jink's aside,

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Speaker 1: Now that the FBI is involved, it's a big freaking deal.

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Speaker 1: And that isn't long before Lizzie Mulder finds out she's

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Speaker 1: the target of a federal investigation, and what she does

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Speaker 1: next shocks everyone. You know, it's a bold move, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't bat an eyelash. Next time, on Queen of

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Speaker 1: the Con the o C Savior Lizzie's victims confront her

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Speaker 1: head on. Lizzie, you're a horrible person. You have no

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Speaker 1: regard for anyone but yourself. And for the first time ever,

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Speaker 1: Lizzie Malder speaks publicly about all her scams. As a

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Speaker 1: mother two young daughters, I fear that my actions will

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Speaker 1: cause them pain, and I have fear that my legacy

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Speaker 1: in life will be that the good that I did

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Speaker 1: in life will not outshine all this bad. Queen of

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