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Speaker 1: Week nine in the Pack twelve, and there are so

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Speaker 1: many things going on in the conference. Can Oregon get

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Speaker 1: get Mike Tomlin. He's like hell to the know what's

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Speaker 1: going on over at Arizona State. Plus Week eight in review,

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve power rankings, and the Week nine picks.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir He's Ralph and then and today

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Speaker 1: we have the Bible and the Gospel of them all.

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Speaker 1: Mr John Wilner from the Bay Area News Group and

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve hot Line here man, Welcome to the show. John.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to have you. Well, thanks to its tons

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Speaker 1: it's good to have John here with us. Yeah, Brad,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that you can use that necessarily

429
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Speaker 1: as as a justification for getting rid of a coach

430
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Speaker 1: after one one bad season. I mean it's ultimately about

431
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Speaker 1: wins and losses. And you've got a coach who was

432
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Speaker 1: incredibly popular and successful and you know, contributed tremendously to

433
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Speaker 1: the success of your program for five or six years,

434
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Speaker 1: and then is an absolute no brainer, right, I mean,

435
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: imagine a scenario when Chris Peterson had stepped down, what

436
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Speaker 1: was it, December two? If they had said, no, we're

437
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: not gonna hire Jimmy, like we're gonna conduct the national search.

438
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: I mean, there would have been an outrage. So it

439
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: was a no brainer at the time. I just don't

440
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Speaker 1: see how they would would move on from him after

441
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: after one bad season. He does need to make some changes,

442
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 1: he does need help, but I think that, you know,

443
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: I can't see a scenario where they make a change

444
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: now other schools, right I would you know, I think

445
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: there's a chance that we're going to see guys move on,

446
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's winning him retiring or just a

447
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: Wilcox moving on or Kristal Ball going somewhere. I mean,

448
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: I just think that there or Chip Kelly. What if

449
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: things don't go go great for U C l A.

450
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: His buyout goes down to zero in January. I think

451
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: there's a answer that beyond Rolovich and Helton, and if

452
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: we put her in a different category, there's a chance

453
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: that we want other change for any number of reasons.

454
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: What does Jake Dickard have to do to stick? Because

455
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: there the guys that have worked for Craig Bowl have

456
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: had a lot of success working elsewhere. UM, whether that's

457
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: UH climate at at Kansas State, UM, you got the

458
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: Michigan State defensive coordinator, Scotty Hazelton, UM, just people within

459
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Speaker 1: that system. I think the defensive coordinator for Nevada, and

460
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: I know that Jane Orvell UH, that whole staff is

461
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: rumored to be up for whatever opening comes. But Jake

462
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: Dickert is another one of those guys that worked for

463
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Speaker 1: Craig Bowl at Wyoming. UM seems to seems to be

464
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: getting the best out of his team defensively, but they've

465
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of needed something, whether it's the run and shoot

466
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: or the spread in order to keep up UM it.

467
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: Could you see Washington State retaining a defensive minded head

468
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Speaker 1: coach for the long term. I don't know. I'm not

469
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think that that's a different situation

470
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: somewhat because they're not looking for a necessary culture change

471
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: in the locker room, right, I mean, that's that wasn't

472
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: the problem. That's not the reason. There's an opening. So

473
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Speaker 1: if you think continuity, uh is the is is really

474
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Speaker 1: the priority, then maybe you do. If they especially if

475
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: they win, you know, if they beat the Huskies, there'll

476
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Speaker 1: be a lot of support for them. I don't know.

477
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: I mean, George, don't you think that the culture in

478
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: the locker room has got to be a big calculation

479
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: from Washington State? Yeah? Yeah, if if he can get

480
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: them to a bowl game and then and one of

481
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: those wins be against Washington, he's gonna have a pretty

482
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Speaker 1: good case, like at least to have a real shot

483
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: at the job. Because Leech didn't beat Washington. So you know,

484
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: if they if they feel like, oh, we have a

485
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: coach that can beat Washington, then now you believe that

486
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: you have a coach that can win you, that can

487
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: develop potentially developed talent, and maybe even you know, have

488
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, do kind of what Matt Campbell is doing

489
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: at Iowa State, which is you win six seven games

490
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: at first, and then you'll you'll have an outlier ten

491
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: win season and then maybe you come back down to

492
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: nine or eight and then a couple of years and

493
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Speaker 1: then stay there and then you go up to ten

494
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: again Levin get a New Year's Six Bowl game. I

495
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: think that that's what the goal has to be at

496
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Washington State. I don't think that you try that your

497
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: goal is, Oh, we're gonna turn Washington State into a

498
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: national powerhouse, national championship team. I think that you have

499
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: to build them into, you know, like waiting on those

500
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Speaker 1: years where you have the right talent, the right quarterback,

501
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the right everything, to where now you can win the

502
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: back twelve and get to a New Year's Six Bowl game.

503
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Speaker 1: It is interesting though, philosophically, like Washington State is probably

504
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: better off being different, right, but you know, whether it's

505
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the air raid or the running shoot, they probably are

506
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: better off not not playing systems that rely heavily on

507
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: recruiting four and five star linemen. You know, there's no

508
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: doubt about that. I mean, I think being different is

509
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: good and for them very very much. So that was

510
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: part of the reason the high roll of it. So

511
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, if there's somebody else out there that's an

512
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: air raid guy that has got proven track record, probably

513
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: look at him. We're running shoot guy. Yeah. I like

514
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: the running shoot better than I like the air raid.

515
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Speaker 1: I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate the

516
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: air rate, but I don't mind it at Washington State

517
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Speaker 1: because I think that you're dealing with that when you

518
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Speaker 1: go up against teams like Oregon or USC or even

519
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: U c l A. Well, whoever has more talent than

520
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: than you do. I think that you need something that's

521
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: a little bit different than what they normally see, like

522
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: like if like if they chose to run the triple option,

523
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with that too, because now it puts

524
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: you in in a position where other people aren't seeing

525
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing regularly, So now you have a chance

526
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Speaker 1: to win every single game because it's something that's a

527
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Speaker 1: little bit more unexpected. Well, speaking of the air raid,

528
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: what do you think cal Fans are going through right now?

529
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: Seeing sunny Dikes be a hot name in coaching circles again,

530
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: get linked to Texas Tech things like that. While they

531
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: over the last I think they're going on the fifth

532
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: year of potentially dropping in their overall scoring average per game.

533
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: But is correct, That is correct. They went from the

534
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: polar opposite. They went from the worst defense in America

535
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: but being able to score a lot of points to

536
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: not being able to score in a pretty good defense.

537
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: My worries the trend though, because they're the offensive output

538
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: per game just keeps creeping down and down and down.

539
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: And now you see all these people in Lobbi excited

540
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: about Sunny Dikes. I just wonder what it is Cal

541
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: fans are going through right now. I don't know that

542
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: Cal fans are remorseful about that. I think a lot

543
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: of people didn't think Sunny Dikes was the right higher

544
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: from the get go at Cal right. I mean, Cal,

545
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: you know you want to mesh your your coaches philosophy

546
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: with your recruiting pool, right, which is why USC should

547
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: want to coach who plays a pro style, right because

548
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: they can get the aligneman. Um, Cal can get a

549
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: lineman and quarterbacks uh and and tight ends and fullbacks.

550
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: They could play a more traditional style that was what

551
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: they had successful success with under Jeff Hedford. Um. I

552
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: don't know that the the air raid is not a

553
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: good system for for Cal. Right. The receivers are you know,

554
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: too much reliance on on speed. I think, uh, nobody's

555
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: regretting having Dikes gone. I think that there's some people

556
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: who are regretting hiring Musgrave as the offensive coordinator there's

557
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And we can do an entire

558
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: show on staff hires, decisions pactwell teams have made with

559
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: coordinators and with assistant coaches and how that whole thing

560
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: is played out. But to me, that why why do

561
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you think though that that that's been a problem. Is

562
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: that is that the coordinators haven't had the type of

563
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: success in the Pact twelve at some stops that you

564
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: would have expected, and some of the hires have not

565
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: been you know what, whether it's as splashy or whatever.

566
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: It's almost like some of the coaches don't know what

567
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: they're looking for. And I and it's just confusing to

568
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: me because I'm saying, okay, like what do you like?

569
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: Coordinators have a history of what they do. And then

570
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I think sometimes head coaches they get to want to

571
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: tinker and say, no, I want I hired this nator,

572
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: but I want him to play this style of ball,

573
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: and that's not his style of ball. Like you have

574
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: to hire a guy who and who's been successful and

575
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: then let him do his job. Well, how do we

576
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: explain Colorado with Darren Shiverini having three different bosses and

577
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: retaining parts of the same role over time? There's continuity there,

578
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: but the performance has has dipped. I know they've got

579
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: a freshman quarterback or whatever, but it just seems like

580
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: there's a conference wide issue with being able to score points. Yeah,

581
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: oh there is. I mean, but look at what happened

582
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: in Colorado just just fired their offensive line coach. He

583
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: was hired he was coaching high schools, right, He had

584
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: never been a Power five assistant coach and he was

585
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: coaching high schools when Colorado hired him. Now I know, Darrell,

586
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, but he was hired in late February, right

587
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: before the pandemic, scrambling to put his staff together. But

588
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's an example where you think, uh,

589
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, they're not clearing the bar. Look, I mean,

590
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Washington's offensive coordinator, obvious lee uh, fired by the Penn

591
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: State kind of bouncing around what Jacksonville's organization is an

592
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: assistant uh, an offensive analyst. I mean, there's a lot

593
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: of cases where you just look at the resume and

594
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: you think, boy, I'm not sure that that that person

595
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: is up to it, and stop trying to shopping the

596
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: scratching damp man like I and and that, and and

597
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: that's not to say that these people can't be good

598
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: good coaches. But there's an element of you don't have

599
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: to go by the most expensive thing in the store

600
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: for it to be really good or the best thing.

601
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: But bargain shopping deadn't always get you the best thing.

602
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: So so I think that there's a somewhere in the

603
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: middle where the actual answer is is it a bargain

604
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: problem or is it a budget problem? Because Colorado lost

605
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Mail Tucker to UH staff resources, right, nobody in the

606
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: Pact twelve is going to be able to match almost

607
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: eight million dollars a year just for you or staff

608
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: not even for you, right, And so I mean, are

609
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: people looking to get a discount or is this just

610
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: a matter of what the PAC twelve has as far

611
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: as what's in its coffers right now? Because obviously Jed Fish,

612
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, Arizona really thought they got their guy, but

613
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: it's also sort of a discount higher now Arizona fans

614
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: have to watch rich Rod at University of Louisiana Monroe

615
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: with his backup quarterback beat liberty and cover like the

616
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: largest spread in the history of of of Division one football,

617
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: and that, you know, that's just something that while Arizona

618
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: fans haven't won a game, and you know, they haven't

619
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: watched their team in a game in two years, right,

620
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: And it's it makes me wonder because you said, you know,

621
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Speaker 1: at a discount, George, But is it? Is it a

622
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: discount for these Pact twelve teams. Are they spending the

623
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: money that they have to spend? I mean, I think

624
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: it's two things. One is, they certainly don't have the

625
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: same amount of revenue coming in as big ten SEC schools, right,

626
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: they just don't, uh, for a bunch of reasons. But

627
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: I also think you know, there has been a culture

628
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve for years about not participating in

629
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: the arms race, and several presidents Arizona States Michael Crow

630
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: for one, have you know, talk publicly about being proud

631
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: of the fact that the Pack twelve does not get

632
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: involved in the arms race and get down and dirty

633
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: and spend all this money like it's a source of

634
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: pride for them. And but there is certainly something to

635
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: be said for you get what you pay for, there's

636
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, Now, onto the games from last week,

637
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: and we'll go through these quickly. It started out on

638
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: Friday night, uh if, dude, Washington beat Arizona twenty one

639
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: to sixteen, and it took a last minute effort. I

640
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: was watching that game when they were down what zero

641
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: at halftime, and then it was sixteen to seven, and

642
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: if it weren't for a ridiculous interception on that that

643
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: screen pass, I don't think that Washington gets the momentum

644
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: to win that football game. I don't. I honestly, I

645
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: don't know what Washington needs to do. You know, there

646
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: were doubts about John Donovan heading into that game, and

647
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: then when they fall down thirteen to nothing and George

648
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: is blowing up my phone. So that's how I knew.

649
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: I knew what the score was because I missed about

650
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: five calls in five minutes. Um. I think not being

651
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: able to get more than two and a half yards

652
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: to carry with Shawn McGrew, and I know that that

653
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: wildcat package and everything else against Arizona's defense, when the

654
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: truth is it's probably only about four players on Arizona's

655
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: defense that should even be getting any reps at a

656
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: power power five level. You know, they got that six

657
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: six three thirty d tackle, Anthony Pandy, Jalen Harris and

658
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: maybe Chris Roland Wallace and other than that, everybody else

659
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: needs time, They need some seasoning, they need to get better,

660
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: They need to be the weight room for a while.

661
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: And to not be able to run the ball on

662
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: that defense, I don't have an answer for that. That is,

663
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: you just look at these two rosters. People were talking

664
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: about Washington being the best offensive line in the country,

665
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: in the country, and they can't go down to Tucson

666
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: get more than two and a half yards of carry.

667
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I honestly don't. Uh. The fact

668
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: that they pulled it out is just I guess that's

669
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: why you play four quarters. Ultimately, over time, talent wins out.

670
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: We see it again and again and again. But should

671
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: it have Did they deserve that? I don't know. I mean,

672
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: they're there. It's not very sophisticated, right, you don't need

673
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: to be a coach. Just watch Washington and they just

674
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: they're easy to I guess the best way to put is,

675
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: they make it very easy to defend them with what

676
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: they do on offense. UM, with the run game schemes, uh,

677
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: with you know, the personnel, all that stuff. They are

678
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: easy to defend every because everybody's done it right, including Montana. UM.

679
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: But so What were you thinking when when you were

680
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: watching that game, John, I was. I was saying to myself,

681
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I wonder how Arizona is going to find a way

682
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: to blow this yep, because you know, I mean there's right,

683
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: you've got to learn how to win. And when you

684
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: when you got a quarterback who's basically your third stringer.

685
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: Not that their second stringer was very good Gunner Cruise,

686
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: but you kind of just knew if if there's any

687
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: way Arizona any mistake, it was good. And as soon

688
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: as they through that through that peak, I was like

689
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: games over because they don't have the resolve to deal

690
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: with a setback or shifting momentum. Right, I mean consider

691
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: that the opposite is Oregon, right, I mean Oregon, U

692
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: cel it comes out and hits him in the mouth

693
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: with what to two straight touchdowns. In Oregon, you know

694
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: they don't flinch, right, That's the opposite of Arizona. I

695
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: feel bad for Jeff Fish at this point because I

696
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: think he's doing all the right things. He just he

697
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have a quarterback period. I think that this week

698
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot did Jamari Joyner at

699
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: quarterback like that that they may go full Wildcat something

700
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: because their quarterback situation situation right right now with Will

701
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: Plumber is just it's just not tenable right now. Yeah,

702
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I did a little check, and I think that they

703
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: are the first team in certainly in the twelve pack

704
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: twelve era to lose their top two quarterbacks the season

705
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: ending injuries. It happened to U C l A and

706
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: Oregon both like in the late two thousand's, um U

707
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: c l ended up having to play a whole season

708
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: with like Kevin Kraft because their top two quarterbacks got

709
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: hurt before the season even started. Uh. And then it

710
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: happened to the Ducks in what oh seven with Dennis

711
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Stixon got hurt and then I believe Brady Leaf also

712
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: got hurt. Yeah, that was a disaster. That was a disaster.

713
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: So but it's rare. So here You've got a coach,

714
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: new coach, got overhauls roster, very little talent, and he's

715
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: down to a searching quarterback. Is a tough situation. I'm

716
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: all in it for the Jamari Joiner show. Though yards

717
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yeards rushing in uh In in high school,

718
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: he was he was just a super athlete back there,

719
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: and if for nothing else, you might have somebody with

720
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the ability to break a play. I worry about the

721
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: health of his feet because he missed a lot of

722
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: time to injury. But if they do put him out there,

723
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: they might accidentally score an A D R touchdown. And

724
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: I think that's what this team needs right now. Well,

725
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna need about ten touchdowns. And oh yeah, there's

726
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: no way that this game is even close, even with

727
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: the way USC makes themselves easy to defend. Yeah, Drake,

728
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: you know he will outscore Arizona. Yes, individually, I just

729
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: thought that Jimmy Lake was a little bit too happy

730
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: after after the win. I couldn't understand. I was like,

731
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: you should not be walking. There should be no smiles

732
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: after this game. This should this should be like, thank

733
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: god we escaped. Let's let's fix it, because like it was,

734
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: he was a little too Yeah, you know, we gotta

735
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: watch the film. It's you know, but it's good to win,

736
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, good, good, good feeling, great job. The guy's

737
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: great resolve. And I'm just like he's got no sense

738
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: of urgency and that that would concern me if I

739
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: were a Washington question. Alright, the next game up, we

740
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: had the early game, which was the Oregon U c

741
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: L A game. I was in attendance for this, for

742
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: this game, and this game was like a tale of

743
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: different parts of the game because Anthony Brown, Oregon's quarterback,

744
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: who has been much maligned by Oregon fans, he actually

745
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: had you and you, yeah, and you he has been

746
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: but but I have changed my tune. Um. This was

747
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: his best game aside from the very end of the game.

748
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Those those two passes at the end of the game,

749
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: one of them wasn't so much his fault as the

750
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: other one. But but I actually liked what I saw

751
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: from Oregon after getting the after getting the pump block,

752
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: falling falling down fourteen there, defensive coordinator Tim de Reuter

753
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: did a great job getting them back in the game.

754
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Offense actually looked really good for the first time in

755
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: a while. And then you have the turnovers at the

756
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: end of the game, which gave U c L a

757
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: more life when the game should have been over. I

758
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: want to I do want to give kudos to Anthony

759
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Brown for in his thirty seven college games starting to

760
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: figure it out. He did have a really really good

761
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: third quarter. He helped him pull away. He's the reason

762
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: they want That's that's the that's the biggest compliment that

763
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: I can pay him. He they went into the game

764
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: College game, they talked a lot about and Mario christ

765
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Baul talked a lot about how bad he's been in

766
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: third quarters and how good he's been in fourth quarters.

767
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: He transposed that and they still managed to escape, but

768
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: they don't win without his effort. Um, this is the

769
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: best I've seen Oregon's Seaver's play. Uh, this is the

770
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: most bizarre stat line I've ever seen for a running back. UM.

771
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: That was. That was a lot of fun to watch

772
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: because George and I argue a lot over Travis Dye

773
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: and whether he's a feature back, and I think he

774
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: either proved us both wrong or both right at the

775
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: same time. Um, in this game. But I think that

776
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: it was Uh, it was Oregon's defensive resolve that impressed

777
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: me the most, that allowed them to go on a

778
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: thirty four to three run after falling down fourteen to nothing. Yeah,

779
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: that absolutely are u c l A two. They've been

780
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: picked apart of the Rose Bowl, right, Jane Daniels picked

781
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: him apart, Jake Hanner picked him apart. I don't understand

782
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: their their their past defense, their secondary should be better.

783
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Than it is. Yes, they play soft. I don't understand it. God, John,

784
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. Like they just

785
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: give stuff up. They're like here, here, take these five

786
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: yard hitches. Like they don't make anything difficult on you. Um. Now,

787
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: the other thing real quick, the one thing I wanted

788
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: to mention with orient I think you could draw a

789
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: direct line between Anthony Brown's performance and Joe moorehead been

790
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: in the booth and having a full week of normal coaching.

791
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I think there is such a He is so important

792
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: to that whole operation. And you know you could tell

793
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: that Stanford game they were out of sync. He wasn't there.

794
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: I think that that's that's something that needs to be mentioned,

795
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: is more heads him And I saw him after the game.

796
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: He was hurting, dude was yeah, yeah he was. He

797
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: was hurting after the game. I saw him in the

798
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: locker room. It was yeah. He was like like, I said, man,

799
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: I says good that you're feeling feeling better. He was like, man,

800
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: he's that brother, I'm hurting right now. Man. Um, you

801
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: had usc go fight for the Golden chalele in in

802
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame Stadium and just get absolutely beat up. Thirty

803
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: one to sixteen. I thought, with the problems that Notre

804
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Dame had been having at quarterbacks, shuffling quarterbacks around a

805
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: little bit inconsistent play, I thought USC would play better.

806
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: I didn't think that they would win, but I thought

807
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: they would play better. John, I just I don't even

808
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking at, dude. They're soft upfront, right

809
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: and I and Slovis is not that they got one

810
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: man there, one man team. I don't know that they

811
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: should be, but that's what's happened to them on offensive.

812
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: They'd become a one man team. I think that they

813
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: got no chance to get this thing turned around this

814
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: year unless Jackson Dark plays. Do you do you think

815
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: that they will If if Jackson Dark, who they said

816
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: wasn't cleared last last week, if he's cleared this week,

817
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: do they start him? I don't, you know, I don't start. Well,

818
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: they should, I don't know that they will. Kind of

819
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: depends on how much practice is he able to get in, right.

820
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a certain point during the week that

821
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: you probably can't start him if he's not out there.

822
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: But you know, I just don't think Slovis Is he

823
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. Two years ago was his best year.

824
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: He didn't have it. Yeah, he lost his fastball. Well.

825
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: One of the things about Slovis though, is he he

826
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: always had a little bit of trouble early on in

827
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: the games, and he's just not He's not recovering the

828
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: way that he used to. And it's interesting because the

829
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: thing that Jackson Dart ads is just that trust that

830
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: his receivers are gonna get it done. I don't understand

831
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: why Keaton Slovis can't translate that same trust he has

832
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: for Drake London over to Taj Washington over to some

833
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: of the other, uh, the other receivers. He's staring people down. Yeah,

834
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Gary Bryan Jr. That one of the thing about USC

835
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: that Alwa was cracks me up because this game I

836
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: had to go back and watch the replay, but I'm

837
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: tracking it on my phone and I'm looking at the stats,

838
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: and it reminds me a lot of if if you're

839
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: ever checking up on Angels games, right, you see like oh,

840
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: show hey Otani hit two home runs and and Mike

841
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: Trout hit for the cycle, and then you checked the

842
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: final score and it's like, oh, Angels lost four to eleven. Right,

843
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Like I was looking at I was like Keaton Slowis

844
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: has completed seventy of his passes. Keanta Ingram's already over

845
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: a hundred yards rushing, Drake Lennon's playing. Really they have

846
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: seven points? Like I just I don't get it. There's

847
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: something wrong with this team in Graham Harrold maybe the

848
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: right guy for Oregon, for Washington State though, and I'm

849
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: like what, I'm like, man, he's not the right guy

850
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: to be calling an offense right right now. In fact, well,

851
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: um uh you you had cal beat Colorado twenty six

852
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: to three. This was a kind of typical Colorado game

853
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: that we've seen this this year. Brandan Lewis went back

854
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: under a hundred yards. I John, make make me understand

855
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: because you've been covering this conference for a long time.

856
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: The Colorado has now played seven games, and in I

857
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: believe five of those games, Brendan Lewis has been under

858
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: five hundred I'm sorry, under one hundred yards. It was

859
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: only their first game in a season against an FCS opponent,

860
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: and then Arizona the only over a hundred yards passing.

861
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: How John, How it's inexplicable, George, There's there's it's unprecedented,

862
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: inexplicable and inec whatever you whatever ends you can think

863
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: of INDs and ends unprecedented, right, I don't know. It

864
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't be like that, right, It's not like they've got

865
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: the talent is not very good. The offensive line is

866
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: not very good. They've got a couple of receivers that

867
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: can make place. They got they should be able to

868
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: run the ball. If you can run the ball, you

869
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: should you should be able to throw the ball, right,

870
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: you play complimentary football. I don't understand they had a

871
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: hundred and four yards of total offense against cow Well.

872
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: But what's crazy is that's not even the worst of

873
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: the year, right, I mean Minnesota they were like at sixty.

874
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: So it is I think that they statistically, I think

875
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Arizona is worse than them on a couple of key metrics.

876
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 1: But I think Colorado has got it's the worst offen

877
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Offense is is Kansas City compared to

878
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: compared to Colorado? And you probably the wildest thing about

879
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: this Colorado offense is every once in a while you'll

880
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: see a flash that Brendan Lewis could maybe be something someday.

881
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, Montanelimonious Craig is a very

882
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: good football player. I know Brendan Rice is a future star,

883
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: and they have two running backs that are proven talents.

884
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: They're proven, and this offense is still doing nothing. But

885
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about is, yeah, it was

886
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: a typical Colorado game, but there's nothing more typical than

887
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: what Cal did offensively. Four and thirty eight yards of offense,

888
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: zero turnovers, two touchdowns. That is Cal in a nutshell.

889
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: They move the ball, they protect the ball, and they

890
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: do not score. Why can't this team finish? I don't

891
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand that at all. This is a just

892
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: looking at the stats with Cal every single week, it's like, oh,

893
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: they moved the ball really well and didn't get it

894
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: into the end zone. I don't have an explanation for that.

895
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: And then Cal is lucky that it had Colorado this week,

896
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: or else it it might have found itself. I mean,

897
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: what would people we talk We were talking about last year,

898
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: so we had a lot more Cal listeners than usual

899
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: because they were expanding, expecting a nine to ten win season.

900
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: They have most of their games taken away from them,

901
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and then they come into this year Chase Garbage is

902
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: supposed to lead the way. They lose an offensive lineman,

903
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: the medical retirement, Brett Johnson gets hit by a car,

904
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: and then they might win three or four games this year,

905
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: and I feel terrible for them. But the idea that

906
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: it's not enough to maybe make a make a change

907
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: at the top is is is interesting to me. It's

908
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: like they're because that would assume that they're not meeting expectations.

909
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: But people have kind of just resolved to the fact

910
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: that cal is going to underperform, and that's the way

911
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I don't know what I mean. I've

912
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: watched them a couple of times and thought, why aren't

913
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: they running the ball more? They run the ball and

914
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: they succeed, and then they stopped running the ball like

915
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: the Oregon The end of the Oregon game was a

916
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: great example. They were getting eight yards on that last

917
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: drive and then they get down there with the fourteen

918
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: and it's just pass past pass. Uh Nevada. Same same

919
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: thing happened with them in Nevada. I don't I don't

920
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: quite know what to make of them, all right, uh

921
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: B y U Washington State. This was Washington State's first

922
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: game without Nick Rolovich. They didn't score very well. Jaden

923
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Dolora had probably his worst game of the year, didn't

924
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: throw a touchdown pass, they allowed b YU to rush

925
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: for over two hundred yards and Augier all by itself

926
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: one ninety one and two two touchdowns. Do do you

927
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: do you think that that this would have been a

928
00:52:54,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: different result had um, had Nick Rolovich been in coaching

929
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: And why is b y U four and O and impact? Well,

930
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, I said so. I mean it's one

931
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: of the great subplots of the season, right, I mean, uh,

932
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: b y U. Twitter is just out of control, right,

933
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: they want that, they want that South Division trophy. Um,

934
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe they should get it. They got one more game,

935
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: one more game, right, I know, I know, you know,

936
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: I think that it's understandable. Washington State had trouble moving

937
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: the ball. You you look at what they did against

938
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the Beavers at home and again Stanford at home, and

939
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: they were rolling and then they lose their offensive line coach,

940
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: their QBS coach, their head coach. Uh, and all of

941
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, they struggle a little bit. So

942
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: that's I think that's kind of understandable. Yeah, and dude,

943
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: they still have one more game left hoos it against

944
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: against US. Yeah, the last game of the season. Oh, man, dude,

945
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: if they go five and oh and in fact, well,

946
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, that would be absolutely embarrassing. Um can

947
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: I just can I I just want to say real quick,

948
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: I am sick of Tyler Algier. I'm sick of that man.

949
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: I do not want to see him anymore. We'll have

950
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: fun in the big Oh my gosh. Um Utah Oregon State. Uh,

951
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: this game went took a left turn at halftime, just

952
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: like the US, just like Utah's game did last week

953
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: against a s U, except for not in their favor. Uh.

954
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Utah was up twenty four to fourteen at halftime, looked

955
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: to be in firm control. And then at halftime Oregon

956
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: State was like, listen, uh, forget everything else that we

957
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: were doing. We were going to run the football all

958
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: over you. Forty one carries to sixty and three touchdowns. What.

959
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: I can't make anything. I can't make sense of anything

960
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: that I see in the Pact twelve as far as

961
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: except for I know Oregon State can run the ball

962
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: on anybody. But if you get them in third but

963
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: if you force Chance Nolan to to throw the ball

964
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: in third and long situations, that's the only way to

965
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: beat Oregon State. I don't remember the last time U

966
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: talk gave up two hundred and fifty plus yards on

967
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: the ground in the conference game. I mean, that's just crazy.

968
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: I think it was the Pack twelve championship when when

969
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: when they played Oregon like two years ago, Like that's

970
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: the only time I can like that was bad too,

971
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: but like this was really bad because it was just

972
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: because at least in that game Oregon had some big runs.

973
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: This one was just just run you over six, seven,

974
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: eight yards at a time. Yep, it was crazy. I

975
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: never would have thought that would happen. I think it

976
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: Actually it feels worse than it is because they're only

977
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: giving up four point one yards to carry um, which

978
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: is kind of you know, it's definitely you know two

979
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: years ago that that was down to three point one,

980
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: so you know, cent increase is definitely gonna feel like

981
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: a whole lot. But it really feels like right now

982
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: you can get what you want in the trenches against Utah,

983
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: and I that's definitely a new thing for me as well.

984
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: George and John. My question for you guys, uh, much

985
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: like the earlier Heisman discussion, is let's say that USC

986
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: goes six and six and Drake Lennon continues to to

987
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: go at the torrid pace that he's going. Um, but

988
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: Oregon State doesn't lose again and b J. Baylor is

989
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: up at fifteen yards rushing, averaging seven eight yards to carry.

990
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: Does Drake Lennon even win packed told Player of the Year?

991
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Uh he may not. He may not. I

992
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: think I think there'd be. I think that there would

993
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: be some support for for Baylor, absolutely, man. And I

994
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: think it's also you know, you gotta It's also there's kids.

995
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: Just count the politics, and I think there's a lot

996
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: of coaches that would be very eager to vote for

997
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: somebody from Oregon State. See. Um, now onto our pack

998
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: twelve power rankings. John, this is your first time here,

999
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: so we give our twelve through seven and then our

1000
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: one through six. Um, Ralph, I will let you go first. Okay, Well,

1001
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: I think we all know who's at the bottom, so

1002
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: we can just should we just skip that part? I mean,

1003
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: obviously I've got I've got Arizona at the bottom, um,

1004
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: and then uh, Colorado Cal after them, Washington USC at

1005
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: eight and Stanford at seven, and I have the exact

1006
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: same twelve through seven, the exact same twelve twelve, twelve

1007
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: through seven, how about you, John, Uh yeah, Arizona, Colorado,

1008
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: uh al, Washington USC yeeks and then yeah and then

1009
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: six through one, Ralph they this was very close. Ours

1010
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: is very similar. Uh yeah. So this makes no sense

1011
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to apologize for it because I've

1012
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: I've done enough of that and I know that everybody

1013
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: short on time here. So I have U c l

1014
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: A at six, Washington State at five, Arizona State at four,

1015
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: Utah at three, Oregon State at two, three spots ahead

1016
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: of the Washington State team that beat them last week,

1017
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: and Oregon at number one. And I have Washington State

1018
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: at six, u c l A at five, Arizona State

1019
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: at four, Utah at three, Oregon State at two, in

1020
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: Oregon at one. Yeah, I got the same order right there.

1021
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's tough every week. There's a new

1022
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: number two every week, or it seems like, right it's Utah,

1023
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: it's u c l A, it's Oregon State. That's that

1024
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: seems to be the trend here is who is the

1025
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: second best team in this comp It's number two plays

1026
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: like number two. That's the trap, all right, before we

1027
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: finish up today quickly, um, John Will will go through

1028
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: the games and and the spread and we and we

1029
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: picked the games. So we'll start with Colorado at Oregon

1030
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: Oregon's favorite by twenty one points over under forty nine.

1031
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: Who you got? I would like Colorado gets a spread.

1032
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Oregon is played down to their competition. I think they'll

1033
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: have trouble covering. Um. I have Oregon and the and

1034
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: the over. I think that this game is the first

1035
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: one that they, you know, show up and show out

1036
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: because they want to make a statement. So I got them.

1037
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: This is the first time I'm taking Oregon as a

1038
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: favorite all year. Um. So hopefully they don't do to

1039
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: me what they've been doing to you, George, And I'll

1040
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: take the over as well. All right. The next game

1041
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 1: Arizona at USC, USC's favorite by twenty one points over

1042
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: under fifty six and a half. Where do you stay in, John,

1043
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean to USC has played terrible at home, but

1044
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: Arizona is terrible. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick Drake.

1045
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm going with Drake. I'll take the I'll give the

1046
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: twenty one that he's gonna win all by himself. I

1047
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: got USC minus twenty one and a half. And I'm

1048
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna take the over at fifty six and a half. Yeah,

1049
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: I think John talked me into it. I'm talking about

1050
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: Drake London. So I'll take USC in the under, all right,

1051
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: U c l A. Utah. Utah is favorite by six

1052
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: and a half points over under sixty and a half.

1053
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: Where you at, John, I think it's gonna be high scoring.

1054
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: I think both teams are gonna be able to move

1055
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: the ball. Sixty one and I go, I go over. Uh,

1056
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and I probably think it's gonna be close. Uh. What

1057
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: I thought I knew about Utah, I'm not sure I know.

1058
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: So I'm taking the Bruins and over. I got the Bruins.

1059
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Even if Ethan Garber's ends up starting, I think he'll

1060
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: show up. But I got the under. I think that

1061
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: that that this game is gonna end up running a

1062
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: little bit, and and U c l A can stop

1063
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: to run. There will be more punts than we probably think.

1064
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at. This is the I've done

1065
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: really really well this year picking just unders in every

1066
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Pack twelve game. This is the one time I feel differently.

1067
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to John, I'm taking the over, and just

1068
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: to be different with no reason In particular, I'll take

1069
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: Utah minus six and a half. Oh you loser? Um?

1070
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: All right, we got Washington State at Arizona State. John,

1071
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: we thought this line was bizarre. Minus fifteen for Arizona

1072
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: State and over under fifty two. Where do you stand? I? Uh,

1073
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I like the home team coming off of

1074
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: by against the road team that has had a very

1075
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: emotional two weeks, So I kind of like the sun

1076
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: Devils and uh, definitely the over. All. Right, I got

1077
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: the over, except for I got the Washington State Cougars.

1078
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're gonna win this football game,

1079
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: but this line feels so out of whack to me

1080
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: that I am going to pound this line. Ralph. It's

1081
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: snowbird season, so that means you might have some road fans,

1082
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: and we know how Arizona State reacts to crowd noise.

1083
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and take a plus fifteen

1084
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: and a half. I do think a s but I'll

1085
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: go at the over fifty three. Alright, Uh, Oregon State

1086
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: at cow Oregon State's only a point and a half

1087
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: favorite in this game. Over under fifty five? Where you at?

1088
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: Where are you at? John? I'm at the under close school, close,

1089
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: low scoring. Uh, you know they played. I think the

1090
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: last two games have both been three point games. Organsta,

1091
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: it's one of each by three. I think the Beavers

1092
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: will win. So I'll take the Beavers with that narrow line. Yeah,

1093
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: I got the Beavers and the under. You Ralph, this

1094
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: line feels like the biggest trap of the weekend. But

1095
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm falling forward Oregon State, uh with the one and

1096
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: a half, and I'll I'll take I'll take the over

1097
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: just because I again trying to trying to be different,

1098
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: trying to catch up to you, George. Alright, final game

1099
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: Washington at Stanford, Stanford favorite by two points over under

1100
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: forty eight. Where you at John Stanford. You know Washington

1101
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: never plays well at Stanford and uh uh, Stanford's coming

1102
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: off again coming off of bye, right, I mean they

1103
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: needed it. Uh. I think that this late in the

1104
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: season that rest is important. I got, I got Stanford,

1105
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: I'll take, but I'll take the under. Yeah, I got

1106
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: Stanford and the Stanford and the under as well. I

1107
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: love Stanford coming off of bye. I just want to

1108
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: know why they don't do the same thing coming off

1109
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: an entire off season. So I'll take Stanford in the

1110
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: under good question. Well you guys, this has been the

1111
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: Pact Twelve Apostles with John Wilner. John, thanks for coming

1112
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: with us today, man, thanks for having me. Guys. This

1113
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: was great all right, peace out, catch you guys later.