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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show, our good friend Sam Bankman freed. He of

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Speaker 1: the thirty plus billion dollar fraud has been arrested in

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Speaker 1: the Bahamas, one day after predicting that he did not

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Speaker 1: think he was going to be arrested, so that is interesting.

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Speaker 1: There is currently a congressional hearing going on. There are

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Speaker 1: as many as eight different felonies that have been levied

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Speaker 1: against him, as the indictment is just now being unsealed,

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Speaker 1: and some of those counts include wire fraud, conspiring to

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Speaker 1: defraud the United States, violating campaign finance laws. These charges

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Speaker 1: coming from the US Department of Justice's Southern District of

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Speaker 1: New York. We will talk with Andy McCarthy, who has

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Speaker 1: worked in the New York offices of the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the Southern District for over twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Over twenty years he prosecuted Khali I mean, the first

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Speaker 1: World Trade Center, bomber, the Blind Shake. He's been great

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Speaker 1: as a guest. Many of you will remember his previous

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Speaker 1: hits on this program. So he will be on with

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Speaker 1: us at one thirty eastern, we'll talk with Stephen Miller

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Speaker 1: about the border and Donald Trump, maybe let him fire

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Speaker 1: back at an culter over the argument that Trump has done.

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Speaker 1: And at one o'clock will be joined by Marty McCarry,

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Speaker 1: who has a great piece in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: today which essentially says long COVID doesn't really exist. It's

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Speaker 1: mostly a fraudulent media creation based on the data and

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Speaker 1: analysis that he has seen so far. Also, the overall

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Speaker 1: inflation rate has fallen to seven point one percent. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is still lying and saying that your purchasing power

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Speaker 1: has grown. I don't know what in the world he

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Speaker 1: is trying to get around to, but buck what stood

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Speaker 1: out to me about the sam Bank and freed arrest

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Speaker 1: which happened around six pm Eastern in the Bahamas, and

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Speaker 1: there still will be a battle potentially over extradition. The

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Speaker 1: prosecutors in the Bahamas are actually saying that he does

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Speaker 1: not deserve bail because of fear that he might flee,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a very real fear because if

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Speaker 1: he went to a country without an extradition treaty. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't already go there, Buck, I mean

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Speaker 1: We can add to our list of things you gotta

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Speaker 1: know even if you're not a lawyer. Remember number one

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Speaker 1: is never talk to the FBI, not without a lawyer present.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter they knock on the door and say, we

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Speaker 1: think you're a superhero and you're gonna help us solve

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Speaker 1: who killed Kennedy. You do not say a word. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you don't talk the FBI. But we can add to that.

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Speaker 1: If you think that maybe you need to be in

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Speaker 1: a non extradition country, you probably want to get there

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Speaker 1: sooner than later, because the wheels of justice once they

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Speaker 1: get you, it's very hard to get away. I'm stunned

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Speaker 1: that he didn't flee, Buck, I mean, it's a delusion

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Speaker 1: on his part. I mean, he really thought that he

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Speaker 1: hadn't committed a crime. Maybe, but I can't believe that

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Speaker 1: when this thing collapsed, he didn't flee his defense and

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Speaker 1: he almost remember he was supposed to testify in front

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Speaker 1: of Chongers yesterday today his defense. At some level, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry today, but he said he wasn't able to make

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Speaker 1: it yesterday because he was kind of busy, and I

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Speaker 1: actually made a joke on Twitter. I said, he's obviously

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Speaker 1: googling non extradition countries and then he got arrested about

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Speaker 1: four hours later. So you could argue that buck gets results.

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Speaker 1: But the point about about Sam Bankman Freed's defense right now,

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Speaker 1: I think the obvious direction is going to be that

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Speaker 1: it's really actually a version of what the FBI said

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Speaker 1: about Russia collusion. We were so stupid and so incompetent

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Speaker 1: state of mind. We didn't know. Sam Bankman Freed is

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna fly, because you have a

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Speaker 1: taking literal billions of dollars from people. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 1: even more access to capital. I mean, this guy created

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Speaker 1: a vortex of financial destruction. I think what's gonna get

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Speaker 1: him buck is, First of all, there's going to be

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Speaker 1: one of my first thoughts was, they've had people flip

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Speaker 1: you take billions of dollars and your company goes bankrupt. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the business risk. The business risk that no one knew

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Speaker 1: in many ways, basically a hedge fund where he was

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Speaker 1: able to place wagers based on the money that had

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Speaker 1: I thought about I was out to dinner last night

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Speaker 1: who was going to create, you know, doing She sounded

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to take all of your money

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to revolutionize blood testing. Walking around in

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Speaker 1: She fooled some of the most connected, prominent and supposedly

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Speaker 1: General Madis himself, which people I think have slightly competing

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Speaker 1: views these days of Madis in a variety of context,

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Speaker 1: went up in smoke over Thara. No, she just got

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Speaker 1: hit pretty hard. If you one of these book two

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Speaker 1: Buck bad Blood, Yeah, it's around. It's a great book

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Speaker 1: if you're fascinated by SBF and you're you want to

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Speaker 1: Look like Bad Blood is a fantastic book to put

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Speaker 1: Except he gave forty million dollars to Democrats officially, right,

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Speaker 1: he gave money to Republicans too. Okay, Look, Republican politicians

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Speaker 1: where else he put money. He put money in major

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Speaker 1: left wing media organizations. It wasn't given money to Fox News, Okay.

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Speaker 1: very top of that apparatus, Clay, they thought Sam Bankman

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Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get this shot because it's Trump. They

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Speaker 1: made it sound like Trump was there himself with like

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Speaker 1: a beaker and a Bunsen burner, like the best vaccine ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not actually what was happening. And here we are

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Speaker 1: now seeing that there may be some accountability for it.

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Speaker 1: But if nothing else, they got this thing so wrong

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Speaker 1: that it is it is shocking, Like you look at

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Speaker 1: this and you say, and I know some people in

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Speaker 1: the audience knew they were gonna get it wrong. But

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00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: clay it. It doesn't stop transmission at all. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: last very long at all, and you have to keep

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Speaker 1: updating it for new ones, kind of like the flu shot.

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Speaker 1: And it was much ado about the flu shot. Even

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Speaker 1: if you get all of your boosters, all of your shots,

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00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: you still may die of COVID, or at least die

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Speaker 1: with COVID. Even the New York Times had to come

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Speaker 1: out recently and say hey, it's no longer a pandemic

447
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: of the unvaccinated. The majority of people dying of COVID

448
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: now in this country have gotten the COVID shot. Many

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Speaker 1: of them have gotten the COVID boosters. It doesn't really

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Speaker 1: work at all. Frankly, and again, what I would say is,

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Speaker 1: not only it would be one thing, buck if these

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Speaker 1: drug companies had provided their COVID shots for cost, right,

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Speaker 1: if they had been like, hey, we're just rushing to

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Speaker 1: try to ensure that we get this product out. This

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Speaker 1: is you know, we make a lot of money on

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ventures. This is not a for

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Speaker 1: profit venture for us. They made tens of billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars of our taxpayer money off of shots that don't work.

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Speaker 1: At a minimum, they should have to return all of

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Speaker 1: the profits they made off the COVID shot. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: you and I talked about this. I'm reading the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal the other day and they're talking about how

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Speaker 1: the high end luxury property market. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: in Boston, where Madernham may be based. They were buying

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Speaker 1: ten million dollar penhouses in Boston with all the bonuses

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Speaker 1: they were getting off their COVID shot money. That don't work.

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Speaker 1: And that's, by the way, our taxpayer funds. If taxpayer money,

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Speaker 1: if you and me and everybody out there listening to

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Speaker 1: us paid for COVID shots that don't work, at a minimum,

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Speaker 1: all of the profits that those COVID shot companies got

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Speaker 1: should be refunded to the United States government the profits,

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Speaker 1: and we should redistribute those funds, in my opinion, to

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Speaker 1: all of the people who lost their jobs for refusing

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Speaker 1: to get the COVID shot, which our government tried to

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Speaker 1: mandate that too. Yeah, what do you think are the

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Speaker 1: chances that any of that actually happens? As a fuse

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Speaker 1: analogy that I would make if we went back in

478
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Speaker 1: time twenty five years and I came on and I said, hey, Buck,

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Speaker 1: the state of Mississippi has decided, maybe thirty years now

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Speaker 1: to sue cigarette companies. Oh, I think, said, I don't

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Speaker 1: think the cigarette think Clay. The cigarettes weren't that they

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Speaker 1: didn't have the federal government saying everybody has to buy

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Speaker 1: and smoke cigarettes or else. But the idea that a

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Speaker 1: state was going to hold the cigarette companies accountable. And

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Speaker 1: remember what came out was the wise It was the

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Speaker 1: fraud that got the cigarette companies. I would argue the

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00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: COVID shots are worse because our government never told us, hey,

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Speaker 1: cigarettes are healthy, you have to go smoke cigarettes in

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Speaker 1: order to keep your job. They told us all the

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Speaker 1: COVID shot is healthy. You have to go get this

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Speaker 1: shot or you're gonna lose your job. I would argue

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Speaker 1: that the COVID shot is worse than cigarettes. But what

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Speaker 1: happened in the cigarette lawsuit Buck was we found out

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Speaker 1: that they knew that cigarettes were dead. I think I

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00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: think you get to the crux of it there. If

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Speaker 1: we find through that, and this is probably the descentist

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00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: strategy and anyone else who's gonna bring these suits. If

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Speaker 1: you find smoking gun fraud evidence inside of these vaccine

499
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: makers about some of the primary issues we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: you might have something. If you find we think we

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00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: gotta see here's the results. Will wait six months. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be very, very hard for there to be any

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Speaker 1: real accountability. The other one I would use that's more

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Speaker 1: recent is all the opioid prescriptions that were being given.

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Speaker 1: I believe those started with maybe even plain of lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: The other side of it, though, is you don't you

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Speaker 1: don't have half the country that still thinks that cigarettes

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Speaker 1: or still thinks that they don't. Half the country doesn't

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00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: think cigarettes are good for you, and half the country

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Speaker 1: doesn't think that opioids aren't addictive, which was amazing book

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Speaker 1: on This Dreamland by Sam Cononez. They the medical community

512
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: in the nineties was like, yeah, opioids not really addictive,

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00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: totally insane. Yes, And a lot of people got very

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Speaker 1: rich and a lot of the farmer family we're taking

515
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: these well yeah, but a lot of farmer reps. We're

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: getting paid big money to take these doctors out to

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Speaker 1: write the oxy prescriptions. And it was a mess. But

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Speaker 1: half the country, Clay still thinks the vaccines are great.

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00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, or at least they pretend to think they're great.

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00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I think the number is I like to look at

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Speaker 1: the data on what they're doing with their kids, buck

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: because what they might say publicly about themselves. Ninety percent

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00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: of people with young children well over are saying we're

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00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: not getting the COVID shot. Nine out of ten people

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Speaker 1: I think an investigation could explode into the open and

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Speaker 1: an Buck. I wanted to say a quick thank you

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Speaker 1: to everybody yesterday who reached out with condolences for the

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Speaker 1: loss of Tulula. The Sexton family, Frenchie. We're very saddened

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Speaker 1: by that over the weekend, but it is really, first

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Speaker 1: of all, it's very kind of everybody. Clay, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember the last time I had so many of our

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Speaker 1: people reach out directly. And then also with all the

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Speaker 1: folks breeders, friends of breeders who are sending me the

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Speaker 1: most adorable puppy photos I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: You know, different breeds. Here's a frenchie, here's a golden doodle,

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Speaker 1: here's a you know, all kinds of stuff, and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we would love to love to be the

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Speaker 1: ones that provide you. The Sexton family. This is really

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Speaker 1: for my parents. This is for them in New York City,

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00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: so it's very very kind of them. And the problem

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Speaker 1: with looking at puppy photos. Is you're just like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I should just maybe I should just

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Speaker 1: get all of them, you know, maybe maybe I could

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Speaker 1: make a little extra room here. I'll get I'll get

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Speaker 1: a house in the country with some yardage. So nobody

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00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: ever looks at puppy photos or goes to like someplace

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Speaker 1: where puppies have been born and it's like, oh, I

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00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: only want one, right, I mean, yeah, when you look

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Speaker 1: at the puppy, same thing with kittens. Um, then they

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00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: grow up, obviously and become oftentimes messes. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was I even got some emails I got afford

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Speaker 1: them to you, people emailing me about French bulldogs. So

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00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was a really great response out there.

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Speaker 1: I think the dog owners know we rally to you know,

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: you rally to each other when you because they understand

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Speaker 1: that the dog is a member of the family. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what else to say. Dog is a member

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Speaker 1: of the family. That's It's just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not scientific, but it's the way it is.

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00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't really care what the science says, speaking of

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00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: science clay or actual science. The Cambridge Dictionary recently updated

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00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: its definitions for women and man. Have you seen this?

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00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: They're not a headline? Yeah, officially changing the definition so

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00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: that it includes transgender people. They carefully studied patterns of

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00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: usage blah blah. In the Cambridge entry for a woman,

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00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: the longtime definition for the word was an adult female

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Speaker 1: human being, but now an additional definition appears an adult

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Speaker 1: who lives and identifies as female, though they may have

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Speaker 1: been said to have a different sex at birth, said

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Speaker 1: to have a different sex. The doctor looks at the

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00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: downstairs parts and observes reality and just soever understands this is.

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Speaker 1: They do this all the time. They advance their radical

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00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: agenda of lunacy and lies. And when we notice and

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00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: say hold on a seconds, that's crazy, they go, why

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Speaker 1: are you making such a big deal out of it?

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00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: Why are you make this is the game they do.

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: They do on this issue all the time. Oh, it's

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: only one person in the sports that's doing this. Oh

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00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: no it's another. Now it's another. Why are you making

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00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: such a big deal? They're so passive. The left is

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00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: not only dishonest, Clay, they're so passive aggressive it comes

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Speaker 1: from their emotional instability. Well, think about how crazy it

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Speaker 1: is that transgender activists now say doctors sometimes get the

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Speaker 1: gender at birth wrong. That's the argument they're making now

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Speaker 1: that when a baby is born, and I've been fortunate

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Speaker 1: enough to be in the delivery room three times with

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Speaker 1: all three of my boys when they were born, the

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Speaker 1: doctor does not get the gender of the baby wrong. Buck,

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00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: it ain't I'm just going to toss it out there.

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Speaker 1: Some people, wait, they don't want to know the gender

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Speaker 1: in advance. It ain't that complicated. When the baby is born.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have a medical degree to see

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Speaker 1: what the gender of a baby is. This is what

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00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: This is how radical they are now. That definition follows

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Speaker 1: this new radical idea, which is that the doctors are wrong,

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00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: that the biology is not real. And maybe we can

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00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit later, but we've got

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Speaker 1: a story up at OutKick. One of my writers, Joe Kenzie, So,

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Speaker 1: do you ever play frisbee golf like disc golf? I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure what the official phrase for how you

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Speaker 1: define I didn't watch some of the weed aficionados at

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Speaker 1: my Liberal Arts college as they played the frisbee golf. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so basically for people out there who don't know, because

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Speaker 1: it's a relatively new sport, you walk around and throw

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Speaker 1: a disc like a frisbee towards a target which is

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00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: like a metal chain link bucket. They just today buck

635
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: announced that men who identify as women cannot compete in

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Speaker 1: women's frisbee golf. So they are one of the first

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Speaker 1: sport that I've seen that its effectively saying your gender

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Speaker 1: at birth is who you compete against for purposes of

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Speaker 1: our competitions. You know, It's interesting is that the left

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00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: can't let this go even though they realize they all

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: look incoherent and absurd at some level, or a lot

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00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: of people do. They realize how dumb this argument they

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Speaker 1: make really is. But they can't let this go because

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Speaker 1: to accept the gender binary in any context is to

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Speaker 1: recognize the gender binary in every context. So this is

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Speaker 1: why they will not drop it. Even though we sit

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Speaker 1: here and go a six foot five dude with the

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Speaker 1: beard playing against women in rugby has an advantage. They

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Speaker 1: would prefer to sit there and say that's so untrue,

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Speaker 1: then to just admit that we've been right all along.

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Speaker 1: They think biology is made up. That's where we are