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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, welcome in.

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Speaker 1: I sent Jason Temp from the volume Hoops tonight to

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Speaker 1: the Summer League along with some other people. Live Moods

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Speaker 1: was there, Nerd Sesh was there. I believe was Jenkins

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Speaker 1: and Jones there. Some of the guys were we sent

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Speaker 1: him to the Summer League. They'll be reporting back podcast

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Speaker 1: tonight and tomorrow on the Summer League. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let Jason and I discuss it for about twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: My takeaway on Wemby, he was very nervous in the opener,

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Speaker 1: totally expected. We've seen pros Greg Norman at the Masters.

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Speaker 1: We've seen Alex Rodriguez deal with anxiety in a big

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Speaker 1: baseball series. You know, we've seen quarterbacks. You know Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady didn't have a first quarter touchdown in the Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: He was in until maybe his last one or second

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Speaker 1: to last one, or did he ever? Like there's a

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Speaker 1: feeling out process to sports, and especially in the biggest games.

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Speaker 1: And for Wemby, who already played well against men in Europe,

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Speaker 1: he's a big time talent. But I thought he was nervous.

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Speaker 1: I thought, come to this country, the Summer League, the

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Speaker 1: expectations and when you get nervous, you get drained and

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Speaker 1: you get tired. So I mean the kid's nineteen year old,

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Speaker 1: twenty year old kid, and so we've you know, as

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Speaker 1: I watched some of the reactions. When I watched him play,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, he looked a little tired, he looked a

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Speaker 1: little drained, he looked a little apprehensive. He's not a

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Speaker 1: great shooter yet. But then what did he look like

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Speaker 1: in game two? Yeah, formidable. The nerves are gone. They

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Speaker 1: put him in better situations to score, and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be just fine. There'll be a weight issue. All

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Speaker 1: these bigs come in, the young ones. They need weight,

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Speaker 1: they need strength. He'll be fine. So I'll have more

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Speaker 1: about that in five minutes with Jason temp So I

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Speaker 1: went to the UFC card in Las Vegas on Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: I go to try to go to at least one,

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Speaker 1: usually two. I think I'm going to another one in

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City here in a couple of weeks, and

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Speaker 1: then I buy six or seven UFC cards. Daniel Cormier

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Speaker 1: is part of the volume. So when I got out

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Speaker 1: of college, I got a job in Las Vegas and

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Speaker 1: boxing was very big, and UFC did not exist. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the first time I'd seen UFC was in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: over the weekend with friends, and it was very raw,

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Speaker 1: you know. They were eye gouging and kneeing and it

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Speaker 1: was it was just it was ugly. And then Dana

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Speaker 1: White comes in and the Fetidas and they clean it up.

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Speaker 1: Because you want to get major advertisers, there has to

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Speaker 1: be a regulated level of violence, right like the NFL has.

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Speaker 1: But to get advertisers, which Dana and the Fertitas did,

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Speaker 1: they had to kind of clean up some of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: And they've done it. It's still two very aggressive men

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Speaker 1: or women fighting. There's going to be blood sometimes. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: there's very quick knockouts. I've always argued UFC is much

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Speaker 1: safer than boxing because the knockouts are cleaner and earlier.

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Speaker 1: If you hit a guy, you hit a person, knock

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Speaker 1: him out.

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Speaker 3: It's fast.

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Speaker 1: Two of the fight Saturday Night over within forty seconds.

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Speaker 1: But one of the really brilliant things. Every time I

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Speaker 1: go to a UFC event, I'm always struck by the

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Speaker 1: win for the consumers. I loved boxing. I covered Hagler

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Speaker 1: and Hearns and Young Tyson and Sugar Ray Leonard best

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Speaker 1: fight I ever went to was Iran Barkley and Nigel

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Speaker 1: ben I think it was Bally's. It was a slugfest,

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Speaker 1: but I always felt as a consumer it always left

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Speaker 1: me wanting more. Promoters got rich and the occasional heavyweight

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Speaker 1: fighter did, but so many fights I wanted to see

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Speaker 1: were never scheduled, never made. The amount of content, the

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Speaker 1: amount of quality and action you get on Saturday nights

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Speaker 1: of the UFC, it is astounding. I went with friends.

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Speaker 1: The fight started at three. We got into the arena

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Speaker 1: by five point fifteen. We sat in the lounge early,

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Speaker 1: point fifteen to like ten, it was ten ten fifteen.

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Speaker 1: It was NonStop, little breaks in between. You see some celebrities,

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Speaker 1: It was just remarkable. And it's so hard to keep

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Speaker 1: sports fans engaged. Baseball, by the way, has done a

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Speaker 1: good job this year. They've sped the game up. Why

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Speaker 1: shorter game, more action, Right, That's why in Hollywood three

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Speaker 1: lulls in the action, and it's like I'm sitting there

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Speaker 1: watching UFC and I took friends who'd never been to

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Speaker 1: a UFC fight, three friends from Los Angeles, and as

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Speaker 1: we're walking out, they're like, that's one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: And these were jockey people.

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Speaker 1: The staff is amazing with UFC, the security, it's really seamless,

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Speaker 1: really just a well oiled machine. But I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is why boxing died. And we were talking about that

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Speaker 1: driving back to the hotel. I'm like, this is exactly

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Speaker 1: why boxing died. Boxing could give you an occasional great performance,

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Speaker 1: but it was just it was sporadic, it was inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: And I'll always be a fan of the UFC because

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Speaker 1: I like fights, but it's a bit of a marvel

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Speaker 1: All right, we sent him to the Summer League, and

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Speaker 1: as usual, he crushed it. Jason Timp hoops tonight. I

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Speaker 1: thought Wemby's first performance was a lot of jitters. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the idea at nineteen of going into a foreign country

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Speaker 1: he's already going to make the team, so I thought

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Speaker 1: it was kind of predictable that he would struggle. It

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Speaker 1: them today, you know, his size is just so impactful.

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Speaker 1: There's just there's just no way around it. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have twenty five point nights. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: start with the difference. You saw Jason game one, game two?

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Speaker 1: What jumped out to you?

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Speaker 3: This is so funny to me, that news cycle was

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Speaker 3: objectively hilarious. It's like, Okay, here's this guy who already

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Speaker 3: has been good against pros in France, who already was

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Speaker 3: in two games in America a few months back, and

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Speaker 3: like one game in Summer League, and everyone was rewriting

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Speaker 3: whether or not this prospect was worth all of the hype,

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Speaker 3: and then big shock, he comes out with twenty seven

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Speaker 3: pickup ball. And that's what they did in that first game.

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Speaker 3: For several possessions, He's just standing on the wing dribbling

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Speaker 3: Every young player has a floor in a ceiling, and

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Speaker 3: their floor is mainly based on what they're already great at,

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Speaker 3: great at. He's the greatest combination of height and length

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Speaker 3: he will excel. There was a sequence at the end

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Speaker 3: what it's gonna look like in San Antonio, know, real basketball,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not surprised at all that he popped in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the game one. In Game two, there was

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Speaker 1: And I do think like if somebody said to me, like,

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Speaker 1: what's the one glaring weakness, I would say weakness. He's nineteen, Like,

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Speaker 1: looking at these veteran NBA guys, they look like they've

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Speaker 1: been in a professional weight room for seven years. Like

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Speaker 1: it's just a different definition. So if you told me like,

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Speaker 1: I could see them building a schedule and saying and

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Speaker 1: I thought I said this with Oka, See they should

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Speaker 1: do it for chet Holmgroun fifty eight games. Just take

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Speaker 1: some road trips off, stay home, lift weights for four

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Speaker 1: and have a limited road schedule. Not that you don't

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Speaker 1: I just want him to stay home, sleep, eat, lift

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Speaker 1: and play fifty eight games. And I feel that way

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Speaker 1: with Wemby. It's like obviously he has his motors running.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you know, when you were nineteen, you

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Speaker 1: Hour later you're starving, right, Like that's who he is

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Speaker 1: he's nineteen, He's going to burn seven thousand calories, and

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Speaker 1: it's like the only thing I look at.

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Speaker 2: I think he just needs to get stronger.

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Speaker 1: He just needs he needs just nights off, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to NBA guys about this. You start burning

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Speaker 3: The optics are awful. And I really blame the agents

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Speaker 3: have any leverage over those guys. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: they can stop it, but it definitely is a bad look.

432
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm okay with players requesting trades. I'm okay with them

433
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: saying they want to go to one place. There's a

434
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: risk another team might jump in and trade for you anyway.

435
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: But there's no doubt that this looks bad. It's going

436
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: to start turning off regional fan bases. It's going to

437
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 3: start hurting that regional television audience, and I don't think

438
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: it's good for the long term health of the league,

439
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: even if it's morally correct, if that makes sense.

440
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: Pivot back to the summer league.

441
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Speaker 1: Scoot Henderson got hurt in Game one.

442
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Speaker 2: He's going to be really good. You know. We I've always.

443
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Speaker 1: Tried to defense and NBA gms and scouts you have

444
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: sometimes it's almost all the international players now are easier

445
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: to scout than college players because at least they play

446
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: against men, so it's like it's easier.

447
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: It feels like.

448
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: The international guys in the last four or five years

449
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: there's been like no major whiffs, Like yeah, if they

450
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: can score against men, they can score in the college game.

451
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: You watch a big ten player and you're like, on,

452
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: he's scoring against a non NBA player, I mean Jade

453
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: and Ivy. To me, you could see he was dynamic.

454
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, that's going to work in the NBA.

455
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good player. So in the brief

456
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Speaker 1: time you saw Scoot Henderson, your interpretation of what you.

457
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: Saw spitting image of Russell Westbrook. He's built like a truck.

458
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: He's way stronger even than Russ was at that phase

459
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Speaker 3: of his career. The rim pressure is insane. When he

460
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: just gets going in transition, you can see the entire

461
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: defense kind of collapse around the basket. He's especially good

462
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: at hitting guys out of the dunker spot. That's a

463
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Speaker 3: Russ thing. You got to put him with a big

464
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Speaker 3: man that can catch and finish on the basket. He

465
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: actually did hit some nice pull up jump shots early

466
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: in the game, but there is a little bit of

467
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: that lack of the change up, and that's always going

468
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: to be the thing that kind of that could derail

469
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: him again. Scoot has a chance to be the guy

470
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Speaker 3: that breaks the mold, but he has to pay attention

471
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: to the roadmap where some of his contemporaries went off

472
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,239
Speaker 3: the tracks. It's you've got to have a change up.

473
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: You can't play the same style all the time. You

474
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: have to commit to the defensive end of the floor.

475
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Speaker 3: He is capable of being an outstanding defensive player with

476
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Speaker 3: his strength and his and his like physical build. And then,

477
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: last but not least, you've got to get in the gym.

478
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: Don't be that guy who when your athleticism starts to

479
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: tail off, you start to tail off because you don't

480
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: have the skill set to make up for it, you know,

481
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Speaker 3: Like I really was, his competitiveness popped when I was

482
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Speaker 3: watching him. You can see the way he interacts with

483
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Speaker 3: his teammates, the way he interacts with the people he's

484
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Speaker 3: competing against. He's John at the other team. He's got

485
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Speaker 3: the fire, he's got the competitiveness, but he has to

486
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Speaker 3: follow that roadmap because, as we've said, that's a specific

487
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: archetype of player that has had really hot starts and

488
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: then flared out, flamed out pretty consistently, and I don't

489
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 3: want that to happen for him.

490
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Speaker 1: That's something you pointed out. It's really smart, and it

491
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Speaker 1: even matters in my business. I have said this before.

492
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Speaker 1: If you're a talk radio host, you can't just be

493
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: a flamethrower. You've got to be it sometimes funny. Sometimes

494
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: you've got to be inquisitive, curious, sometimes you can throw

495
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: a fastball. Sometimes you have to be self deprecating. And

496
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Speaker 1: I think I think John Wall to me had one speed,

497
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Speaker 1: like it was just out of control, and Westbrook at

498
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Speaker 1: times kind of one speed.

499
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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 1: I really do think with Scoot I see a little

501
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: bit of the same thing. Now some of it is

502
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: he can develop that, but I think it's really hard

503
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: when you're very successful at something and you blow past

504
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: everybody for people to say, hey, slow down, we want

505
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Speaker 1: you to play with more pacing. It's like Tyson, like,

506
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: why do I need a jab? I'm knocking everybody out

507
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: in the second round? Like what what's a jab for? So?

508
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Speaker 1: I think what happens to Dyna And we've seen this

509
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: pattern that they dominate people, And it's like the running

510
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: quarterback high school college.

511
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: He runs around.

512
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: First two years in the NFL, Josh Allen runs around

513
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he gets hit and

514
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I got to stay in the pocket.

515
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Speaker 1: And so I think what Scoot is so dynamic? You know,

516
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: sometimes your gift is your curse. That he's so dynamic

517
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: that it's hopefully he's super coachable. And I think Westbrook,

518
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not coachable, but nobody could stand

519
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: in front of us for ten years like you see

520
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: why guy. I mean, it's not a shock that many

521
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: of the great shooters are not super twitchy and fast,

522
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: because at some point, pulling up was what they That's

523
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Speaker 1: how they scored, right.

524
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Speaker 2: Like for you.

525
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: You're obviously very athletic guy, but if I would have

526
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: told you, if I'd added eight inches to your vertical,

527
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: your jumper wouldn't be as good.

528
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: You were like, guys, I'm going to the basket again.

529
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: And also, there's an alpha to scoring at the rim

530
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: that is just like adrenaline, So I hope he develops it.

531
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Speaker 1: But I think it's a really good point by you

532
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: that it is hard when you succeed something, and these

533
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: dynamic guards with no handcheck can't stand.

534
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: In front of him at all.

535
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan could not have stayed in front of any

536
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: of these guys, none of them. So was there anybody

537
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: else in summer League that you looked at and went, oh,

538
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: that's interesting.

539
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: So a couple things. Brandy Miller had some moments. The

540
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: Polish is there that Charlotte Summer League roster played some

541
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: of the ugliest basketball I've ever seen, so I want

542
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: to see him play in a different type of environment.

543
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 3: Both the Thompson twins really popped with their playmaking. They

544
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: were both in roles where they were playing with a

545
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: lot of other ball handlers, so that didn't get much

546
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: opportunity to show what they can do. I thought. The

547
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 3: most impressive guy I saw this weekend was Jabari Smith Junior. Now,

548
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if you noticed this, but last year

549
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: there was hype over whether or not Jabari Smith was

550
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: going to go first. Now Paolo went number one and

551
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: he's been great. Obviously, Chet went number two. Chet looked

552
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: awesome on Saturday, by the way, but Jabari Smith Junior

553
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: went number three, and a big reason why is he

554
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: could not dribble to save his life, and he couldn't

555
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: make a shot anywhere outside of a catch and shoot situation.

556
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: He destroyed the Pistons today and hit that game winner.

557
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: In the game on Friday he hit, He had thirty

558
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: eight points, hit a bunch of pull up jump shots,

559
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: he was talking shit to James Wiseman and just putting

560
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: on a show in front of the crowd. It's been

561
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: the most remarkable improvement in scoring polish from a player

562
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: I've seen in one year in my entire time covering basketball.

563
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. He was literally the most uncomfortable

564
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: guy last year that I saw in Vegas. He's been

565
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: the most comfortable guy on the floor this season. He's

566
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: six foot ten with the seven to one wingspan, projects

567
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: to be an excellent defensive player. He's put on a

568
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: ton of muscle. He was bullying Jaden Ivy today. He's

569
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: got all the pull up jump shot stuff going. Houston

570
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: is going to be a really interesting team this year

571
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: because they brought in some veteran presences with Fred van Vliet.

572
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna have Jalen Green there, Dylan Brooks there. Between

573
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks and Jabari Smith and their ability to guard

574
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: Houston like Overnight's going to be become a really entertaining

575
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: team to watch. But Jabari Smith Junior was by far

576
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Speaker 3: the most impressive guy that I saw this weekend.

577
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: So the NBA has this in season tournament, and basically

578
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: what they're doing is designating Tuesday and like Friday games.

579
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: They want them to be more urgent and more important,

580
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: so fewer players will sit out and they'll have like

581
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: it won't affect the standings. They'll be like a separate

582
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: standings from as far as I can tell, and if

583
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you do well in those games, you will eventually get

584
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: into this December early mid December tournament. It's I think

585
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: the simpler you make things the easier it is for

586
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: sports fans. Right, do you think it matters. I mean,

587
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: it'd be great if you didn't have to ask players

588
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: to play, but that's the that's the reality. You know,

589
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: the analytics and basketball are telling you to give guys,

590
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: veteran players more time off. Do you think it's instructive,

591
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: do you think it benefits, do you think it pops?

592
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Your takeaway on it.

593
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying really hard to keep an open mind, to

594
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: be clear, but I was here. I heard your podcast

595
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: with Nick right the other day. I listened to it

596
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: on the plane, and you said something I thought was

597
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: really interesting. You're like, you need two things to be

598
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: successful as a professional sports league. You need stars and

599
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: you need urgency. And the NFL crushes everybody because they

600
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: have both. And the NBA has stars and that allows

601
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: them to overcome their lack of urgency. But the only problem,

602
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: I'd say, there's a mild problem with officiating. They got

603
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: to work out. There's a mild problem we were talking

604
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: about with the star trade request and some of the

605
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: behavior of these agents, But the main problem is urgency.

606
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: And this looks like a move in the direction away

607
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: from that. And you know, I was watching Ted Lasso

608
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: this summer with my wife and they you know, I've

609
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: been learning about the English Premier League as a result,

610
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: they have this thing called the FA Cup, and it's

611
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: like this tournament that they play in the middle of

612
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: their season. But there's a prestige that has been built

613
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: around that tournament over many, many years, and so I

614
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: don't see how that prestige exists right away over something

615
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: called the FA Cup. Now there is the NBA Cup.

616
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: Now there is an undisclosed benefit to the players. But

617
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: when stars determine the outcomes of games and stars are

618
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: making fifty million, I'm not sure there's a monetary value

619
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Speaker 3: there that's going to really get people interested in competing.

620
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: But I'm trying really hard to keep an open mind.

621
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, though, if someone asked

622
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: me what needed to happen with the NBA an overhaul

623
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: with officiating and then shorten the season to sixty six

624
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: games so that you can stretch the games out so

625
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: that players aren't resting on back to backs. There would

626
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: be an increase in viewership due to urgency and star participation,

627
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: and then from there that would make up for the

628
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: drop in games. That's the direction the league needs to go,

629
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: and they're just never going to do it. And this

630
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: to me just feels like a strange measure in that direction.

631
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always appreciate Adam Silver's willingness to be aggressive

632
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: and you know, move the ball ahead. You know, David

633
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Stern did it on occasion, had a couple of whiffs.

634
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: The drafts dress code was sort of insulting the new

635
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: ball with just a complete miss. You may want to

636
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: tell the players you're coming out with that, but I've

637
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: always thought, you know that there's the old saying. The

638
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: NBA thinks of it first, the NFL gets it right,

639
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: and baseball makes the most money on it. The NBA

640
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: always comes up with new ideas and I totally appreciate it.

641
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: And I do think we live in a distracted society.

642
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: NBA fans are young, they're on their phones. It's a

643
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: highlight culture. Always has been a bit in the NBA.

644
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: So I'm not against it. I want to see it.

645
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: People bang on the play in tournament, but I've kind

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Speaker 1: of liked it. Miami was a playing team that was

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Speaker 1: trailing in their second playing game, so you know, people

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Speaker 1: like to complain about new stuff, like I think the

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Speaker 1: playing works. I like the play in tournament. Agree, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like it. It's more good. It's more urgent games

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Speaker 1: that I have to way. I mean, those were Tuesday

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Speaker 1: night games, and I'm like, Warriors could be out or

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Speaker 1: the Heat could be out of the playoffs. So I

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Speaker 1: am willing to give the mid season tournament, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's not really mid season, that's kind of the name,

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Speaker 1: but I'm willing to give.

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Speaker 2: It a shot.

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Speaker 3: It's early season, early season.

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Speaker 1: So I said this that there was a story this

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Speaker 1: week the Knicks had talked to the Clippers about Paul

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Speaker 1: George and they bailed on it. And I said, five

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Speaker 1: years ago they would have done it. Ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: they would have panicked. They panicked on Carmelo. They could

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Speaker 1: have traded him after the season. They did in season,

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Speaker 1: and Denver got a boatload, right because in season trades

666
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Speaker 1: mellows like I want to play for the Knicks. Nicks caved.

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Speaker 1: Stodhommeier from Phoenix had bad knees. Everybody in the league

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Speaker 1: knew it. They needed a star that never worked out.

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Speaker 1: Paul George is a really good two way player. But

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Speaker 1: Steve Balmer, I've been told by a source in that building,

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Speaker 1: is not going to extend him, does not want to.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason for you to give him a four

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Speaker 1: or five year deal. I do think he would be

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Speaker 1: a two or a one on that team. And my

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Speaker 1: takeaway was it's really an encouraging sign. The Knicks are

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Speaker 1: a good team. They're not very good, but they're good.

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Speaker 1: One smart move they can get to very good. Two

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Speaker 1: they could be special. So let's not demand they make

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Speaker 1: two in one off season. Let's go from good to

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Speaker 1: very good. Brunson's still young, A lot of their players

681
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Speaker 1: are young. Even Julius Randall's not old. So if there's

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Speaker 1: Zion rumors, Karl Anthony Towns, if I said, and they're

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Speaker 1: very lucky. They have eleven first round picks in seven years.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of guys I like Josh hart

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Speaker 1: r J. Barrett, I don't love. I like their movable

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Speaker 1: They have length Randall's contract and Runson's contract. Jalen shrinks

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Speaker 1: year to year like it's one of the better contracts

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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: So if I said to you, Zion, Karl Anthony Towns,

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Speaker 1: if there was a move to be made, Jason, what

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Speaker 1: would you do.

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Speaker 3: Again? It can't just be a start. Has to be

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Speaker 3: the right star. I mean, this is the problem that

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Speaker 3: Dallas could find themselves running into we need to get

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Speaker 3: a start. We need to get start. Okay, we got Kyrie.

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Speaker 3: Well everything hinges on that. Now, if Kyrie has a

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Speaker 3: change of heart and demands out, you're screwed because you

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Speaker 3: have nothing left. And now Luke is gonna want out right,

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Speaker 3: And that's the key is like you pull the trigger

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Speaker 3: on a Paul George trade and he gets hurt. Everything

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Speaker 3: is messed up. So you got to wait for the

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Speaker 3: right guy. I'd be keeping an eye out for like

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Speaker 3: a brandon Ingram over the course of the next couple

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Speaker 3: of years. If New Orleans decides that they want to

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Speaker 3: stick with Zion, but they want to re you know,

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Speaker 3: flip their timeline a little bit, and oh, they think

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Speaker 3: Trey Murphy's gonna play some of those minutes alongside Herb

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Speaker 3: Jones or whatever. I keep an eye out for a

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Speaker 3: guy like let's say, ok see wants to pay all

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Speaker 3: these guys and they pay Shay and they pay Ched

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Speaker 3: and they pay Josh Giddy, and they're like, Jalen Williams

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Speaker 3: is the guy we're gonna let go. Maybe New York

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Speaker 3: jumps on a guy like that, It's got to be

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Speaker 3: the right guy. I like Paul George. But the best

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Speaker 3: syndicator of future performance is past performance, and the dude

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Speaker 3: is hurt all the time, and so there's there's a

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Speaker 3: huge risk there, and so if you put all your

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Speaker 3: chips in that basket, it could backfire on you. Actually,

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Speaker 3: my sneaky favorite Paul George team right now is the

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Speaker 3: Calves because I hate their whole two guard build. I

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Speaker 3: would look to flip Darius Garland for Paul George because

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Speaker 3: then you're bringing in a player that kind of fits

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Speaker 3: alongside that Donovan Mitchell timeline. It kind of addresses a

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Speaker 3: specific need on the roster. Max Strus kind of slots

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Speaker 3: in at the two. I really love that fit. And

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Speaker 3: then Darius Garland is a foundational piece for the Clippers,

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Speaker 3: who have desperately needed a point guard ever since Chris

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00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: Paul left. But for a team like New York, if

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Speaker 3: you look at Jalen Brunson where he's at in his career,

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Speaker 3: Julius Randall clearly is the guy they'll inevitably move. You've

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Speaker 3: got some solid role players, You've got a good center

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Speaker 3: in Mitchell Robinson that you can build around. It just

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Speaker 3: has to be the right guy. And to your point,

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Speaker 3: that's a sign of competency that they're not just jumping

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Speaker 3: on the next thing that comes around. They're being patient,

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Speaker 3: and I do like to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Jason Timp hoops tonight we send him to the Summer League.

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Speaker 1: Listen to his podcast as always, my man, good seeing you.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you too. Goin the volume