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Speaker 2: Fifteen twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five, forty forty five

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Speaker 1: Kicks block the college sub stun.

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Speaker 2: Oh my godness, he's stumble the ball. It's the lateral turn.

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Speaker 2: Can dance ju The lama came off the day of

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Speaker 2: the night. By god.

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Speaker 1: It's not the size of the dog in the fight.

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Speaker 2: It's the size of the fight in the dog. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Big Bets on Campus Sources edition. I am

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Speaker 2: Action Network Senior writer Colin Wilson, a guy that is

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Speaker 2: not hedging a Western Kentucky ticket to win the Conference USA,

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Speaker 2: my co host, the award winning news breaking Action Networks

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Speaker 2: own and very tired Miss Brett McMurphy. First reported by

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Speaker 2: our own Brett McMurphy.

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Speaker 1: Brett McMurphy is sources.

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Speaker 2: Brett, I don't think you've slept. We're recording this on

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Speaker 2: money and I don't think you've slept in forty eight hours?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Is your phone constantly plugged in with all the coaching

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's been pretty hectic, and you know,

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Speaker 1: with COVID last year, not a lot of moves as

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Speaker 1: far as a coaching carousel, but obviously they're making up

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Speaker 1: for it this year. I know we had talked a

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Speaker 1: twenty five and a half. We may go over twenty

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Speaker 1: five and a half. While we're taping this podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are currently at twenty two. Fresno State is now open,

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Speaker 1: so with all the domino effects, we'll probably get over thirty.

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Speaker 2: Kalen de bore a fantastic job as Indiana's offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: He actually brought life to that program from an offensive

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. They show up this year. They completely

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Speaker 2: annihilate everybody's expectations and games against UCLA and Oregon, I

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Speaker 2: think Washington, which is crazy, Brett, because you and I

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Speaker 2: made an extremely smart hire and going to get Kaitlin de.

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Speaker 1: Boor Yeah, I agree. I mean everything I've heard about him,

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Speaker 1: You know, the sources that told me a couple of

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Speaker 1: and you know the PAC twelve. Obviously, Lincoln Riley out

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Lincoln Riley for a second, because obviously

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Speaker 2: you don't know the details about what's gone on since

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Speaker 2: But obviously something was going on with USC. And I

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Speaker 2: I'm here in the state of Oklahoma. I live in

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Speaker 2: He hasn't made the college Football Playoff, a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, he's going to be an NFL guy, and I

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Speaker 2: I guess that is one of the most amazing tweets ever,

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Speaker 2: except you already outdid yourself by when Lincoln Riley got

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Speaker 1: Look, Joe Castiglio is their athletic director. He if he's

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Speaker 2: Zero percent chance they go after Mike Gundy.

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Speaker 2: So let's switch over to confirmed bowl games. You placed

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Speaker 1: the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville. So two of those teams

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Speaker 1: are going to get Florida Bowls and then one of

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Speaker 1: them is probably going to end up in Nashville. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion now on how that would

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Speaker 1: how that would break down. So even though currently I

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Speaker 1: have Arkansas in the Music City Bowl, there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of I don't know, say momentum, but there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the Razorbacks corner to try

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Speaker 1: to get them to Florida, whether it's the Outback Bowl

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Speaker 1: in Tampa or the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anything will be decided until Sunday, until we see

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Speaker 1: how the SEC title game plays out. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: don't there is a chance. You've got a chance. Even

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Speaker 1: though I've got you guys in the Music City right now,

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Speaker 1: there is a possibility you could end up in Florida.

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Speaker 1: So don't make that. Don't make those you probably drive

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Speaker 1: in Nashville anyway, They don't make those travel plans to

447
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Speaker 1: Nashville just yet. You may have to get a plane

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Speaker 1: ticket for Florida.

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Speaker 2: I almost vomited when I saw a bowl match up

450
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Speaker 2: with Minnesota. That would be the most boring way it's

451
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Speaker 2: been my December thirtieth. But considering my wife and all

452
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Speaker 2: of my ant laws are from Iowa, I would kill

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Speaker 2: for that Citrus Bowl Arkansas, Iowa. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that leave the state of Iowa and retire in

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Speaker 2: state of Arkansas, so that would be a heck of

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Speaker 2: a bowl that would sell out in five minutes. But no,

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Speaker 2: you can check out Brett's bowl projections Clemson, Texas, A

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Speaker 2: and M and the Gator Bowl, you know, Wisconsin, Tennessee

459
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Speaker 2: and the Outback, And like Brett said, these are all

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Speaker 2: going to shuffle here. And the College for Ball Playoff

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Speaker 2: final rankings on Sunday is gonna determine a lot of

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Speaker 2: where everybody goes. And speaking of that, we are going

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Speaker 2: to record our podcast late on Sunday. You know, we

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Speaker 2: usually would do a recap episode, but we're going to

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Speaker 2: do it after the College of Ball Playoff has been announced,

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Speaker 2: after the New Year six has been announced, and then

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Speaker 2: when Brett's phone is just blown up like crazy to

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Speaker 2: fill out the rest of the Bulls We're going to

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Speaker 2: do our podcast and have a live projection, like the

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Speaker 2: second the games are announced, we'll have our live projection,

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Speaker 2: our live total, and then we're going to start talking

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Speaker 2: about which head coaches in this, which isn't, which players

473
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Speaker 2: are in this, who's gonna sit, who's gonna play. So

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Speaker 2: definitely a big podcast coming up at the end of

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Speaker 2: the week. Let's switch over to Conference championship games. A

476
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Speaker 2: lot of people I already had I think four or

477
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Speaker 2: five Twitter dms and mentions today about hedging some of

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Speaker 2: these futures tickets. And I had a Western Kentucky fourteen

479
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Speaker 2: to one. I've got a Georgia plus two seventy five

480
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Speaker 2: to win the SEC. I've got, you know, a couple

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Speaker 2: a couple of other teams on the board, a little

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Speaker 2: bit of Utah to win the PAC twelve after winning

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Speaker 2: the South.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel very good about my We're again to

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Speaker 1: win the national title ticket. I think that's a long shot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can cash that out early.

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Speaker 1: I've got, like you, Western Kentucky to win Conference USA

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Speaker 1: after seeing what they did against Marshall. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: let it go. See what happens. Heisman when everyone talked

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Speaker 1: about Matt Carroll and everyone talked about Kenneth Walker, when

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Speaker 1: everybody talked about c J. Stroud. When people are even

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Speaker 1: trying to get Caleb Williams in the mix, what do

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Speaker 1: we say every time it's a team award, but it's

494
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Speaker 1: an offensive quarterback award? Now c J. Stroud is not

495
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Speaker 1: playing on Saturday, so he's out of sight, out of mind.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young will be playing. Everyone is going to be

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Speaker 1: watching that game, certainly everyone that votes for the Heisman.

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Speaker 1: If Bryce Young does very well against arguably the greatest

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Speaker 1: team on the planet as far as college football, then

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Speaker 1: he's only going to help his Heisman case. Even if

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Speaker 1: Allabama loses that game, I think Bryce Young, and now

502
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Speaker 1: he's in the favorite mode. What is he minus two hundred? Now, yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: minus two hundred. I wouldn't say there's any value on that,

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Speaker 1: but certainly I think I think Bryce Young is the

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Speaker 1: choice for the Heisman. I know you're excited. I know

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Speaker 1: Stuck He's excited for you guys to have your first

507
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Speaker 1: ever Heisman vote. As a reminder, we can't reveal who

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Speaker 1: we're going to vote for, but we can certainly reveal

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Speaker 1: our votes after the award is given out, but it's

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Speaker 1: kind of played its way out like I thought it would.

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Speaker 1: If I said, if all of them got to the

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Speaker 1: SEC title game, I thought Bryce Young would win it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he shouldn't win it or he

514
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Speaker 1: should win it. I'm just basing this on how this

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Speaker 1: award has been given out in past years. We'll have

516
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Speaker 1: to see if that's what happens.

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud have been the top two

518
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Speaker 2: the entire time. We got a lot of value on CJ.

519
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Speaker 2: Stroud about you know, two months ago after Ohio State

520
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Speaker 2: took that loss, that value never presented itself for Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: They he never dipped below I think I don't think

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Speaker 2: he was ever outside five to one. Maybe in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: but after since, you know, since the game started, everyone

524
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Speaker 2: could see just how accurate and how surgical. Uh, this

525
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Speaker 2: freshman kid can be with the Alabama offense. Uh. And

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Speaker 2: it's going to be pretty interesting next year when they

527
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Speaker 2: have a whole boatload of weapons back, some that are

528
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Speaker 2: injured right now and you know, one of these and

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Speaker 2: I'm still a little bit shocked that I'm a Heisman

530
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Speaker 2: voter now. Uh, And uh, my Heisman vote is always

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Speaker 2: going to be based on who has the better numbers

532
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Speaker 2: uh and who is the better leader for their team.

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Speaker 2: And right now, I'll just say one of them. Between CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud and Bryce Gong, one of them is ahead of

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Speaker 2: the other when it comes to raw stats, and when

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Speaker 2: you take their strength of schedules into into play, it

537
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Speaker 2: even makes it more clear about who should win this Heisman.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Western Kentucky, You've got them in the

539
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Speaker 2: Boker Raton Bowl against Liberty. That would be excellent, absolutely

540
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Speaker 2: a pure joy to watch. Is the Conference USA champ

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Speaker 2: go to Boker Raton or do they do they go

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Speaker 2: to another or is there a tie into another bowl?

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Speaker 1: Actually it's different for each conference. Conference USA is unique

544
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Speaker 1: in that it lets the champion of the league kind

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Speaker 1: of give their preference on what bowl they want to

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Speaker 1: go to. So it's not like, for instance, the Mountain

547
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Speaker 1: West champion will automatically go to the Los Angeles Bowl.

548
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Speaker 1: The Sun Belt champion, more often than not, will go

549
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Speaker 1: automatically to the New Orleans Bowl. Conference is unique in

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Speaker 1: that they actually let the team kind of give their preference.

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Speaker 1: So from what I understand, the Hilltoppers would like a

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Speaker 1: trip to Sunny Florida, don't we all and would want

553
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Speaker 1: to be in the the Boca Ratone Bowl. Who they

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Speaker 1: would play, that's you know, unknown. I think I have

555
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Speaker 1: them with Liberty. I had them against Central Michigan last week.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to tell who they're going to play because

557
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: so many of these bowls have multiple conferences linked to it.

558
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Speaker 1: But if they win, I think they would go there.

559
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Speaker 1: If UTSA wins, I'm not sure where they would prefer.

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Speaker 1: I know that if there was hope. If you know,

561
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: their undefeated season is gone by the wayside now, but

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Speaker 1: if UTSA would have ran the table and been thirteen

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Speaker 1: to zero, I know there was a push to try

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Speaker 1: to put them in the Independence Bowl against BYU, because

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Speaker 1: then you would have had two ranked teams playing in

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Speaker 1: the Independence Bowl. BYU is this year at least is

567
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Speaker 1: contractually obligated to play in the Independence Bowl unless they

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Speaker 1: make one of the New Year six games. BYU is

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Speaker 1: so close to getting into a New Year six game,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think they're going to make it, so

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Speaker 1: they'll be in Shreeport against I'm projecting this week it's

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Speaker 1: a regional matchup. Please Bowl guides make it happen. BYU

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Speaker 1: versus LSU.

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Speaker 2: Would that would be absolutely fantastic. One last note of

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Speaker 2: the bulls, Brett, you and I talked about this earlier. Today.

576
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Speaker 2: We had an additional team qualify more than there was spots,

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Speaker 2: So that means somebody that six and six is going

578
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Speaker 2: to get left out. Can you review again which teams

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Speaker 2: are possibly on the table for not making a bowl season.

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Speaker 1: The easiest way to look at it is every team

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Speaker 1: with seven or more wins is guaranteed a bull spot.

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Speaker 1: And then once you fill in all of those bowl

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Speaker 1: games as six and sixteen that's not in the Power

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Speaker 1: five league will not go to a bowl game. So

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Speaker 1: six and six LSU will find a bowl home. They

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Speaker 1: will not get left out. So basically, you're looking at

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Speaker 1: ball State or Miami Ohio out of the MAC. You're

588
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Speaker 1: looking at Wyoming in the Mountain West. You're looking at

589
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Speaker 1: possibly ODU or North Texas in Conference USA. You're looking

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Speaker 1: at Tulsa in the American Out of that group, one

591
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Speaker 1: of those teams will not go to a bowl game.

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Speaker 1: I spent a significant amount of time on the phone

593
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Speaker 1: today trying to figure out which team that would be.

594
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Speaker 1: The short answer is it's impossible to predict. There's no

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Speaker 1: rhyme or reason how this decision is made. It's basically

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00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: when the as the bowls get filled up. Once you

597
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: get down there towards the end and a bowl needs

598
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Speaker 1: to fill a spot, it's up to the bowl to determine,

599
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Speaker 1: you know, whether they all just hypothetically pick two teams

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Speaker 1: out of there, Tulsa or North Texas. What team does

601
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Speaker 1: that bowl want if they're the last two teams available.

602
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: In whichever team that bowl picks, the other team does

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Speaker 1: not go to a bowl. It's unfortunate. Some people say

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Speaker 1: we have too many bowls. Other people will say we

605
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: should just let everybody play in a bowl game. I've

606
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Speaker 1: gone back and forth on this. It's look, it's an exhibition.

607
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: Why not have you know who's against more college football?

608
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Just let everybody play a bowl game.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it's not in North Texas. They've been moneymakers for weeks.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, ODU. They didn't play last year because of COVID.

611
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: They're one of the few teams that did not play.

612
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: They start out this year one and six. They've won

613
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Speaker 1: the five consecutive games to get this, get the five hundred,

614
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Speaker 1: get the six wins. I hope they get picked. You know,

615
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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be neutral. I am neutral, whether people

616
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Speaker 1: beve that or not. But I am one hundred percent

617
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 1: hoping ODU gets into a bowl game because of everything

618
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: they've gone to and the way they've turned it around

619
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: there for the Monarchs, I.

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Speaker 2: Thought you were the biggest Ohio State fan in the world.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that you, oh do You is my

622
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: favorite team Ohio State second. All right, So.

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Speaker 2: Pivoting from Bull season, now that we got clear about

624
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: how a team that finished sixth, goodness out on both

625
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: one of them will miss out on bullseason. This is

626
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Speaker 2: your Heisman handicap. The Heisman Trophy is awarded to We

627
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: already talked about it before the Bryce Young minus two

628
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: hundred at the books right now. DJ Stroud not playing

629
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Speaker 2: this weekend. He's sitting around plus four fifty. And then

630
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Speaker 2: there's just a litany of double digit guys from Kenny Peckett,

631
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Speaker 2: Kenneth Walbert, mac rowl no chances whatsoever. What has to

632
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: happen this weekend for CJ. Stroud to win?

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Speaker 1: I think Bryce youngs throw three interceptions, maybe a pick six,

634
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: and just have a you know, ten for thirty one

635
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: hundred and one hundred yard game. He needs the worst

636
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Speaker 1: game of his life for CJ. Stroud I think to

637
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: have a chance, and I don't think that'll happen. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's because the voters. You know, what have

639
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: you done for me lately? I think it would take

640
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: just a total disaster to be in New York. I

641
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: know you've got a substantial ticket on Desmond Ridder to

642
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: get to New York. You need him to have a

643
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Speaker 1: monster game against Houston, and I think he's got a shot.

644
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're aware of this, Colin,

645
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Speaker 1: but next Friday, the Heisman will announce the four finalists

646
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Speaker 1: in New York. There's only four. There's not three, there's

647
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: not seven, but there's four. So basically, you need Desmond

648
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Speaker 1: Ridder to finish in the top four. Are you confident

649
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: about that?

650
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Speaker 2: I need another six touchdown game. I don't care if

651
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: he's on receiving a touchdown, he's running a touchdown. I

652
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: just think the total number of touchdowns he's gonna have

653
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: to get to six against Houston for me to have

654
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Speaker 2: any shot. I mean, as a guy that's got a

655
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: nickel down on thirty to one odds on Desmond Ritter

656
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: to make it to New York. That's all I need.

657
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: I don't need them to win it. I just need

658
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: him to make it to New York. You know, I'm

659
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: thinking how many of these third place votes are going

660
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: to go towards defensive players. So it's kind of an

661
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: interesting dynamic right now. I think Dont Rider is going

662
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: to have to have at least a six TV day,

663
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: no matter if it's passing, running, receiving. What's the chances

664
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Speaker 2: that Aiden Hutchinson and Jordan Davis Are they going to

665
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: draw some third place votes? You think?

666
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will, but I don't think they'll

667
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: get enough to get to New York. And there's a

668
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: ton of people that vote for the Heisman, and I

669
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: think that a majority of them I don't think they

670
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: look enough at defensive players. I'll just put it that

671
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: way to strongly consider them for the Heisman or to

672
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: consider them for the heis When I saw somebody had

673
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: a statistical comparison Anderson and some of the other best

674
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: defensive players in past years, and he's like dwarfed all

675
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: those numbers. Should Will Anderson go to New York? Absolutely?

676
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Speaker 1: Is Will Anderson the best player at Alabama? Say? Probably?

677
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: But still I think you know Bryce Shung will end

678
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: up winning it. So it's it's an offensive award. That's

679
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: just how it's always been. And as I'm talking to

680
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: you right now, I'm looking at Twitter, and I know

681
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: a friend of friend of yours that you regard a

682
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: in a very high manner. It's reported that Mike Bobo

683
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: is out his offensive coordinator at Auburn. I say that sarcastically. So, yeah,

684
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: how about that one.

685
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: That's a little shocking after firing the wide receivers coach

686
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks in. And I didn't really think

687
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: that the offense you lost, Bone lost Bo Nicks. I

688
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: thought Mike Bobo did a fine job. Anyways, I would

689
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: be more inclined to figure out why Bill o' bron

690
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: kept throwing to Roger McCurry for Auburn. As far as

691
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: far as the Heisman seven goes, it is interesting about

692
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: the defensive players. But in my opinion, Brett, after the

693
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: season that Nona mccom's sue put up and Chase Young

694
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: put up if they can't win the Heisman, I just

695
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: it's it's probably never gonna happen. I don't know if

696
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: they you know, we can talk about this another time

697
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: if they expand the boating to go past three and

698
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: that way you can collect. You can put defensive players

699
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: in at three, four, five and then collect more boats

700
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: that way. It's just an entire process where it's tough

701
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: as a defensive player. So look for Bryce Young three

702
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: interceptions and a pretty horrible game from a throwing perspective

703
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: to get himself out of the Heisman. Look for Desmond

704
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: Ritter to put up he's got I think he's got

705
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: to put up at least six just to get a

706
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: nice little trip to New York. And that's how the

707
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: Heisman should go. The college football playoff, payoff, playoff, we'll

708
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: talk about playoff.

709
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: You kidding me?

710
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: Playoff, so Brett tomorrow morning, Tuesday morning, there will be

711
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: a college football Playoff ranking piece on Action Network that

712
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: I rode up today And essentially I've done this every

713
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: week that is looked for value in teams before the

714
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Speaker 3: rankings come out, because you know, we've done this a

715
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Speaker 3: number of weeks in a row.

716
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: There was a Michigan sixty to one out there that

717
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: needed to be hit before they moved up. There was

718
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: a Oklahoma State eighty to one out there, and you

719
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: know I hit both of those myself. Whether they're going

720
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: to hold up. I'm not going to hedge on them

721
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: this weekend, but I'll certainly hedge on them once we

722
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: get to the semi finals. I think we're pretty set

723
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: for me. The bracket is Georgia. No matter what, Georgia

724
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: could lose by fifty this weekend, they're going to get in.

725
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: Michigan wins, they're in, Oklahoma State wins, they're in. That's

726
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: where it's easy. I think the messy part is Cincinnati

727
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: is going to get in unless Alabama beats Georgia and

728
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: Michigan and Oklahoma State win their conference championships. Correct.

729
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: I would think so, And I know I'm an Oklahoma

730
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: State line. I've said that, I'll repeat it. In that scenario, Georgia, Alabama,

731
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Speaker 1: Michigan are locked in. The fourth spot is between thirteen

732
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: and oh Cincinnati and twelve and one Oklahoma State. And

733
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how the committee would go. I

734
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: would think, based on all of the information that they're

735
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: supposed to use strength to schedule quality wins, et cetera,

736
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State will have had three wins against top fifteen

737
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: ranked opponents. Cincinnati will have one that was Notre Dame.

738
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State would have ten wins against Power five opponents,

739
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati would have two. Oklahoma State would have more wins

740
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: against teams with winning records than Cincinnati would have. But

741
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: there's the human element in it. And does Cincinnati benefit

742
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: from the fact that no Group five team has ever

743
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: made it. We've never put him in, so let's put

744
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: him in this year. I can't predict that. But in

745
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: your scenario with Alabama and Michigan winning, it comes down

746
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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati and Oklahoma State, I don't know which way

747
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: they would go. I'm actually projecting if to tell you

748
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: how I think based on the numbers, I think Oklahoma State.

749
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Speaker 1: If all the fatewen Georgia, Michigan, Cincinnati, and Oklahoma State,

750
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma State will jump Cincinnati and be a

751
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: three seed. Cincinnati will be a four. So in your

752
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: scenario where Alabama beats Georgia, I think Oklahoma State would

753
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: be four, Cincinnati would be five. But again that's me.

754
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm not on the committee, but that will be fascinating

755
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: TV viewing if Alabama beats Georgia to see what happens

756
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: with Oklahoma State and Cincinnati.

757
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: The committee has cited strength of record quite often, and

758
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: Cincinnati right now since at number four and Oklahoma State

759
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: sits at number five. Strength of schedule, Cincinnati's at ninety

760
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: six and Oklahoma State is at thirty eight. And I

761
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to ding Oklahoma State for losing

762
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: by three points at Iowa State. I mean, that's just

763
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: not one of those Ohio State getting blown out by

764
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Purdue or Ohio State getting blown out at Iowa It's

765
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: just not one of those moments. I hate to call

766
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: it a quality loss, but it is a quality loss.

767
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no shame in losing a names by

768
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: three points, so it should be interesting. But strength of

769
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: record is the one that they seem to cite all

770
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: the time. And these two teams are four and five,

771
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that flips after Cincinnati plays

772
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Houston and Oklahoma State plays Baylor, but that's going to

773
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: be the interesting thing.

774
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Speaker 1: I think what's going to be what people need to

775
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: look at Tuesday night for the rankings is if Alabama

776
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: is number two or number three. I think if Alabama's

777
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: at number two ahead of Michigan, I think they can

778
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: lose a close game to Georgia and still have a

779
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: shot I really do. If Alabama and this is what

780
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I think. Again I preface this, this is what I

781
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: think how the committee will vote. If Alabama comes in

782
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: at number three and then loses to Georgia, then I

783
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: don't think they can stay in the top four.

784
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: Well, it should be interesting how the committee slots them

785
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. Right now, Michigan is number two in

786
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: strength of record and Alabama's number three in strength of record.

787
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: So does Alabama hold tight at three and Michigan slides

788
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: right into that number two will be the We'll be

789
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: very telling to see how far Alabama may slide if

790
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: they lose to Georgia. So what does Notre Dame have

791
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: to do to get in? I think we kind of

792
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: talked about how these This would be one of the

793
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: worst resumes in collegeable playoff history, including a few a

794
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: number of years ago when collegeable playoffs started. I think

795
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: we have to have Alabama get pounded into the ground.

796
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: I think we have to have Oklahoma State lose. I

797
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: think we have to have Michigan lose. But there is

798
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: a really small path for Notre Dame.

799
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Speaker 1: Sure or false, I don't see how they can get in.

800
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: If Michigan, Oklahoma State lose, we don't have many one

801
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: lost teams left.

802
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, we'll have exactly one more win against a

803
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: ranked opponent than you and I do. I don't know

804
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: if that's enough. I think a two loss team could

805
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: get in over eleven and one Notre Dame simply because

806
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: their schedule maybe before the season, looked very good. Their

807
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: second best win after Wisconsin Purdue, and then everybody else

808
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: is at six and six are below Toledo. Get Toledo

809
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: won seven games. Yeah, Colin, I don't think that's a

810
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: slam dunk just because they have one loss and where

811
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: they're at right now. I think the two lost teams

812
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: may may either stay ahead of them or somehow jump them.

813
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: But at least you and I can both agree there's

814
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: a higher percentage chance of Notre Dame of getting in

815
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: than Iowa. Correct.

816
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, more breaking news before we go off the air.

817
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Speaker 1: As we're just ending the podcast now, TCU officially announces

818
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: what we reported last week. I think Sonny Dikes is

819
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: the new coach with the horn Frogs.

820
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: That is a great hire. You know, Sonny dike'sd an

821
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: amazing job at SMU, especially in the post Chad Morris Era.

822
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: I don't know who's having worst post eras Chad Morris

823
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: or Bobby Petrino. But Sonny Dikes did all right, and

824
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: SMUs already named their coach, Arkansas native from Fort Smith,

825
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: Rhett Lashley, who is you know, formerly Gus Malson's quarterback.

826
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Speaker 2: I believe one of the best offensive coordinators. I thought

827
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: it was a great hire at Miami. SMU is going

828
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: to be on fire next year with that, with that

829
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: staff that they have built there, that's going to do

830
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: it for big bets on campus sources before Brett breaks anymore,

831
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Speaker 2: Mike Bobo, Sonny Dykes all this, there is so much information.

832
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: Tomorrow afternoon you can hear our group of five experts, Mike,

833
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: I and L and Mike Calabres on our G five

834
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: Deep Dive episode, and late late Thursday night, Stucky and

835
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: I we'll be back Conference Championship weekend with our favorite picks.

836
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: If you've got a ticket from any of the futures

837
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: we put out in the summer, we're going to talk

838
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: about how to hedge them, how to play them, and

839
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: if we're going to hedge them. Brett's got to get

840
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: back to breaking news and never sleeping, and I'm going

841
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: to go back to look into the San Diego state

842
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: total and maybe hit an over against Utah State this weekend.

843
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: So thanks for joining me, Brett, and we'll see you

844
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Speaker 2: guys at the window.