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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: a podcast that Sophie hosts talking about Lebron James and

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Speaker 1: why she doesn't like a particular ref in.

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Speaker 2: Basketball former ref, former ref, former ref because he got

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Speaker 2: the acts Tonzo.

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Speaker 1: I'm your other host, Margaret Kiljoy, and I know more

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Speaker 1: about the nineteenth century than I do, okay, first century

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Speaker 1: because I live in a cave in West Virginia. But

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Speaker 1: this story is about a cave in West Virginia. Actually,

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Speaker 1: i'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. I might have already said

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Speaker 1: that with me today as the actual guest is prop

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Speaker 1: host of Hood Politics.

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Speaker 3: How are you, babe? What's up?

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Speaker 4: Margaret?

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Speaker 3: Tam me something good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I want a body roll this whole episode.

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Speaker 3: I want a body roll. Tam me that you lab me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I said, yeah, yeah, this one. This one's mostly positive.

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Speaker 1: It's it's more positive than something. It's about hero But

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Speaker 1: the things don't always go great.

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Speaker 4: God damn it, man, this is supposed to be cool

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Speaker 4: people who do like this. This person was like, this

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Speaker 4: is this isn't the one shining light of our week?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I just want to put it out there for those

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Speaker 2: of you that play uh that that are able to

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Speaker 2: play the cool Zone media drinking game. That was uh

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Speaker 2: props props first one.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's another one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, it's bad. It's bad. It really is.

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Speaker 4: You should see me editing, Like when I'm just at

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Speaker 4: home recording myself doing the episode, I'm like, this is

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Speaker 4: this is so bad.

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Speaker 2: First of all, first of all, don't ever change. Second

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Speaker 2: of all, we're at two or three and it's already

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Speaker 2: already and you don't.

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Speaker 5: Have to play with alcohol, but if you do, let

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Speaker 5: me know how that goes for you.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not allowed to with anything carbonated because Sophie

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Speaker 1: has prevented me from drinking anything carbonated while I record.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's me you're prevented.

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Speaker 5: I think it's your I think it's.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that until you talk for three hours.

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Speaker 3: You're a burper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I feel like that's the most common edit

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Speaker 1: note I give its Sophie Well.

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Speaker 2: Ian takes care of that. Shout out Ian Johnson, who

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Speaker 2: is our editor of our podcast and our theme song

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Speaker 2: is by Unwoman.

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Speaker 1: Intro's done well, actually no, because this time we're going

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Speaker 1: to say that Unwoman has a new album out coming

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Speaker 1: out September twenty. It's called Desire Paths. So does prop

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Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, what's your album call?

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Speaker 3: It's called The Possibility. It's the Final Terror Form EP.

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Speaker 5: Hell yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 3: When's it out? Is it already out or it's already out?

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Speaker 2: Came out in what's the best what's the best place

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Speaker 2: for people to get to get info on your projects?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my website proptpop dot com. But on spot For

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Speaker 4: some reason, the Spotify algorithm like gives you more like

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Speaker 4: leverage when you're going into try to do other things,

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Speaker 4: like you're yeah, that makes you know, book rooms and

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Speaker 4: stuff like that. So if you're gonna stream the record,

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Speaker 4: just propaganda dude on Spotify.

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Speaker 1: Loop and then turn it down and then go to.

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Speaker 3: That they just go to bed, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Like run him numbers up, Like I really I would

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Speaker 4: really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, if you want to send me a link,

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Speaker 2: less include that in the episode description. Can't do that,

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Speaker 2: Send me whichever link you want to use, and Ian

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Speaker 2: I'll throw that in there.

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Speaker 3: Throw that in the show notes yep.

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Speaker 1: Also, people should listen to politics. You probably already do

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Speaker 1: because if you listen to this, you probably listen to

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Speaker 1: all the Cool Zone show.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like one of those things. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: it's worth listening to him. Yeah, why wouldn't you, man,

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Speaker 3: why wouldn't you listen?

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Speaker 2: Because you've had some good episodes recently. I mean they're

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Speaker 2: all good, but but you've had.

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Speaker 1: Some longer history of hip hop. One that came out

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Speaker 1: yesterday as is that fun?

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Speaker 5: So far you can tell you on your Zone.

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Speaker 3: Dude that Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was in my bag there the next few episodes,

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Speaker 4: like I'm in my bag because I'm like, this is

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Speaker 4: this is one because like, okay, you know, election season

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Speaker 4: is just like catnip for a show like mine, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, selection season.

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Speaker 3: I love it, I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And Joe Biden's like, I mean, he's just like a

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Speaker 4: just it's just not enough going on. So I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I need a world like crisis, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Dang it, there it is, and I need the cartoon

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Speaker 4: that is Trump. And it's just like the guy's just

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Speaker 4: so full of criminal.

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Speaker 5: Action and his little minions.

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Speaker 4: And his little minions. And the one I just finished,

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Speaker 4: like we need to get to this show. But the

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Speaker 4: one I just finished is about of the eighteen of

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Speaker 4: the eighteen co defendants in the Rico case, two of

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Speaker 4: jail right now. They left that nigga in jail.

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Speaker 2: They didn't have his bonds, figured it out beforehand, figured

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Speaker 2: out ain't nobody helping.

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Speaker 3: It's like, that's what your ass get you.

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Speaker 4: Every ancestry you got was telling your ass you don't

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Speaker 3: You should have known.

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Speaker 4: I know your If your mama alive right now, she'd be.

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Speaker 3: Like, what see that?

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Speaker 4: What I tell you? What I tell you? Trusting them

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Speaker 4: white people over there? You trusting white people? You know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I even said on this episode, God,

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Speaker 4: we gotta move on. But I've even said I've even

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Speaker 4: said on this episode. Now I'm talking systemically because some

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Speaker 4: of you may point out that I am on cool

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Speaker 4: zone media and I have in fact trusted them white people.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, And I'm like, listen.

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Speaker 5: I like to think of Sophie trust yeah, say that's.

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Speaker 1: What I said.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Robert and Sophie have earned it. They

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Speaker 4: cool as hell. They welcome to the barbecue. And if

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Speaker 4: you ask them, and if you ask by asked, day

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Speaker 4: with me. Okay, just so, don't bring no heat, don't

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Speaker 4: bring the smoke, day with me?

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Speaker 1: Yo?

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Speaker 3: Say it so.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, prop Yes, what do you know about John Henry

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Speaker 1: the steel driving man?

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Speaker 3: I know a lot about John Henry the steel driving.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, let's go.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious. The way I heard about John

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Speaker 1: Henry as a kid, it was the same way I'd

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Speaker 1: heard was there was a guy, his name is John Henry.

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Speaker 1: Then the steam drill is invented, and he's like, whatever,

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Speaker 1: something to be proud of. That's how I had heard it.

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Speaker 1: How would you heard it? Ex slave, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Found a job, was proud for that, and they worked

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Speaker 4: him to death. So the moral of the story is

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Speaker 1: So the moral of the story says the same, don't

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Speaker 1: and he died a slave.

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Speaker 3: That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, because he died slave, because he died as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know he was a real person.

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Speaker 3: Oh, real person.

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Speaker 4: Yeah I now, granted I found that out much later,

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Speaker 4: Like you know, yeah, I had the same childhood you did,

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Speaker 4: he was, he was a person. Yeah, it's like wait

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Speaker 4: what yeah, then told me this, Yeah, told me the

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Speaker 4: story like freedman became a slave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because your dad was your dad was into black

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Speaker 1: power politics, right, yes he was.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was learning is that the only people

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Speaker 3: a documentary resent Oh, I don't know. I read a

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Speaker 4: This something came out recently, like you said, yeah, last

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Speaker 4: twenty years. I was like, no, this guy is incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and that's what we're going to talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: John Henry was a real person. I didn't know that part.

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Speaker 1: He was a black man, he was a prisoner, he

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Speaker 1: was forced to work. He was all of five foot one.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The like the model of like strong masculinity at

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Speaker 1: like beating machines. I love that for.

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Speaker 3: Him, homie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he really did race esteem drill and he really

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Speaker 1: the big, big thing here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: His legend is also tied into the history of basically

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Speaker 1: every style of music in America, blues, jazz, folk, country,

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Speaker 1: rock and roll. Well not every style of music, but

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Speaker 1: every the basis.

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Speaker 3: Of yeah, yeah, the foundation building blocks.

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Speaker 1: And do you know that he's the model and inspiration

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Speaker 1: for Superman and Captain America.

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Speaker 3: No, they're all.

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Speaker 1: Based on him.

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Speaker 4: So you're telling me Superman is five foot one, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the black con he's a black as black convict.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I just I mean it doesn't

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Speaker 4: Plays very well with my just belief that like black

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, And I'm like, well, here it is.

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Speaker 4: Here's some more proof of that where it's like I

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Speaker 4: just but I feel it in my bones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it yeah, I don't have a counter argument

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Speaker 1: that's true, you know, like yeah, oh god, the way

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Speaker 4: And then when when the Spaniards came, they just built

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Speaker 3: Of course there was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them died from cholera, from the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but how about but like but we but we

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Speaker 3: How about we just keep owning them?

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Speaker 4: I also think it's so you know, now, granted maybe

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Speaker 3: We we dig through that, right, Like, well, what do

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Speaker 3: Let's just go through it.

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, you're gonna go through a mountain. I

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Speaker 4: Like you just you just looking at the little less

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when they were digging through them, this enormously

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Speaker 1: order to reach Ohio, the Ohio Valley, which was the

443
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Speaker 1: overall goal, there's the Alleghanies to get through, which are

444
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Speaker 1: even bigger and actually harder, it turns out, and important

445
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Speaker 1: to the story. The problem with the Alleghanies from Virginia's

446
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: point of view in a lot of ways, is that

447
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: these are full of people who are entirely culturally removed

448
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Speaker 1: from the rest of Virginia. These are the mountaineers, or

449
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: the mountain whites as they were called at the time.

450
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 1: They're poor as shit. A lot of them are descended

451
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Speaker 1: from the Scots Irish immigrants who worked as servants for

452
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: the rich to the north and then moved to the

453
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Speaker 1: mountains because land was really, really fucking cheap as because

454
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Speaker 1: it was so hard to work. Couldn't you couldn't plantation

455
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: it right? They lived on smaller homesteads. They had farms

456
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: on such steep hills that the people would joke that

457
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: the way you plant is that you like load seed

458
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: into your gun and then just shoot.

459
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Speaker 3: It at the hill. Brilliant.

460
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Speaker 1: They also weren't nearly as invested in slavery. They retained

461
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: way more European folkways, and they hated the rich fucks.

462
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Speaker 3: Down in the Lowland.

463
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Speaker 1: You can tell that I like them more than them.

464
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Speaker 1: The lowlanders hated them right back, making fun of them

465
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Speaker 1: for being backwards, mocking them for making furniture out of

466
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Speaker 1: sticks that gets quotes, And how their women smoked pipes

467
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Speaker 1: was a big like these fucking hills, that's a problem.

468
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okayt yeah yeah. So that was that some

469
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 4: sort of colloquial way to say that, like their women

470
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Speaker 4: are dudes.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean, I guess so right, because they

472
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: weren't being like properly fem because they probably like fucking

473
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Speaker 1: chopped wood around the house and like, yeah.

474
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Speaker 4: Mad that that girl could beat you ass. Yeah. Because

475
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 4: lots changed, thatesn't changes, okay anyway. In the case of

476
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Speaker 4: the Alleghenies, in particular, when Virginia seceded from the US,

477
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Speaker 4: about half of it went ahead and seceeded from Virginia

478
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Speaker 4: and this is how you get West Virginia, aka the

479
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Speaker 4: Better Virginia. I say, I'm not actually from West Virginia.

480
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Speaker 1: I live here, but I was like, Okay, I live

481
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: here now though, so I gotta I gotta rep it.

482
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Speaker 1: It is not exactly utopia, but to understand some of

483
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Speaker 1: the cultural differences. Scott Reynold Nelson's the historian who wrote

484
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Speaker 1: the book on John Henry. He described driving from Virginia

485
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Speaker 1: to West Virginia as quote, Confederate bumper stickers were slowly

486
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Speaker 1: being overtaken by those that read Union. Yes, West Virginia

487
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: was not historically a conservative bastion. It was one of

488
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Speaker 1: the few places where, like the white rural working class

489
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Speaker 1: was union and leftist. You get a lot of this

490
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: is not what I'm covering today, but you get a

491
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: lot of the unions were destroyed very consciously, and so

492
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Speaker 1: a lot of.

493
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Speaker 3: The blue collar stuff kind of actually left. But prop

494
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Speaker 3: you know, it will never leave you, oh or forsake me. Yeah,

495
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: it's of Jesus, that's right.

496
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Speaker 1: We are sponsored by.

497
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Speaker 4: We are sponsored by yahweh lohem ye.

498
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Speaker 1: That is the only sponsor today. And as always, if

499
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Speaker 1: anything else slips through the cracks, you can write to

500
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: our complaint department at I write, okay on Twitter, here's

501
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: some ads for God, and we are back. And so

502
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: the tunnels have started. They haven't gotten far enough. There's

503
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Speaker 1: bigger mountains in the way. The Civil Wars just ended,

504
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Speaker 1: which brings us to when John Henry enters the historical record.

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Speaker 1: So now we get to talk about him for a second. Unfortunately,

506
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: we get to talk around him a lot today more

507
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: than we get to talk about who he was, right,

508
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: because he didn't we don't have anything he wrote. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: John William Henry was born a free black man in

510
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Speaker 1: eighteen forty seven in New Jersey. He becomes one of

511
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Speaker 1: the first murdered black men in the post Civil War

512
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Speaker 1: legal slavery known as prison slavery.

513
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Speaker 3: We only know.

514
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Speaker 1: The scarcest bit about which is I'll get into it,

515
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: but shocking no one was entirely racist and was the

516
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Speaker 1: continuation of the racist project. So we only know the

517
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Speaker 1: scarcest bit about his life himself, who he was, what

518
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: he liked to do. We know what happened to him

519
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: because of the legal record. More or less, he grew

520
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: up somewhere. He never got particularly tall. He's five foot one.

521
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: I spent a while looking up how tall this is

522
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Speaker 1: compared to the average person in the nineteenth century, So

523
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: the average men were huge in the United States compared

524
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Speaker 1: to anywhere else in the world because the average man,

525
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: the average white man fighting in the Union Army was

526
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Speaker 1: five foot seven, and this makes the mismade men mend

527
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Speaker 1: the third tallest.

528
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Speaker 3: In the world at this point. Du yeah, I.

529
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Speaker 1: Have a feeling that this also is like of the

530
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Speaker 1: countries where they bother to keep tracking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

532
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Speaker 1: The average and slave black man was about five foot

533
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Speaker 1: six at the same time, as best as I can tell,

534
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Speaker 1: because nutrition was not being provided properly anyway, So he's

535
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Speaker 1: still short by he's still.

536
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Speaker 3: Homie even there. Yeah.

537
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: After the Civil War, Virginia is kind of a big

539
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Speaker 1: open air graveyard because an awful lot of people died

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Speaker 1: in the Civil War.

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Speaker 4: It's his bodies everywhere, just on your way to the

542
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Speaker 4: coffee shop.

543
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Speaker 1: Hey look, yeah, I wonder that guy was I don't know. Yeah,

544
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Speaker 1: stay away from him.

545
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: Though, whatever he owned a slave.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, especially this place called City Point in Virginia

547
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Speaker 1: on the James River southeast of Richmond, which is where

548
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Speaker 1: General Grant set up camp during the end of the war.

549
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of dead people around. More Americans died

550
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: in the conflict died in conflict in the Civil War

551
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: than any other war including World War Two, not just

552
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: as a percentage of the population, but like straight up

553
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: number of uniform corpses. The Union Army hired thousands of

554
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Speaker 1: x slaves into the US Burial Corps who went to

555
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: work burying people. However, meanwhile, a local fertilizer company was

556
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: like a cash for bones business. At this point, no

557
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: questions asked. So, wow, you could pick Yeah, you're you're

558
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: really excited about the cash for bones business.

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Speaker 3: That's huh.

560
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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking it. There's bodies everywhere, like you could

561
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Speaker 4: ball out.

562
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People showed up and delivered bodies to either burials and

564
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Speaker 1: got paid some amount. I don't know the amounts that

565
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 1: you were getting paid one job for the other, but

566
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Speaker 1: I just assumed that the sketchy one was probably paid better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what do you need? What do they want?

568
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Speaker 3: Bones for? Grind? Mum music? This fertilizer. Oh you turn

569
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Speaker 3: him into fertilizer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, which I mean, that's what I want when

571
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Speaker 1: I die. I want to be company.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I found a I found a company that I

573
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Speaker 4: told my wife put this in my will. Hell, yeah,

574
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Speaker 4: this is what I want. Turn me in a fertilizer.

575
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Speaker 4: Take the bag of fertilizer. Plant a mango tree. Hell,

576
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Speaker 4: that's what I want.

577
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's yeah. My daughter's like what I want?

578
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Speaker 3: So are we going to be eating? I'm like, this

579
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Speaker 3: is the flesh of my I was like, that's this

580
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: Like Jesus, Yeah, you say, take communion. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So John Henry, he's in the US Burial Corps. He

582
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Speaker 1: just turned eighteen years old. The local racists, who I

583
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: assume he just showed up, like, no one really knows,

584
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: but it seems like he was like, I need work.

585
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: We don't know what he was doing during the Civil War.

586
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: We don't know whether he was like attached to the

587
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: army and working in that way. But he's in Virginia

588
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: and he gets paid. He's eighteen years old and he

589
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: starts getting paid to bury people. The local racists who

590
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: had just lost a war to preserve slavery, they are

591
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: not happy about the fact that suddenly all these black

592
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: people live there because all of these people started working

593
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: in the burial corps. Right, yeah, And Actually, it's around

594
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Speaker 1: this point that Richmond becomes a black city for a while,

595
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: and it's not just because the burial core. One of

596
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: the problems that John Henry faced, though, is that bitter

597
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Speaker 1: Southerners weren't the only racists around. Is going to be

598
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: shocking to you. I bet you didn't know that Northerners are.

599
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Speaker 3: Just as racist. Wait wait, no, what I know.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like white supremacy is an endemic problem.

601
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Speaker 4: But I thought, okay, wait a second, and I'm gonna

602
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: need a second.

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00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there's his asshole. His name is Lieutenant Bird.

605
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Speaker 1: He is a Union guy, and it's spelled with a U,

606
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: not a I. I. I'm glad that an asshole wasn't

607
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: named lieutenant Bird, because that'd be a cool name if

608
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: it was with an eye. Yeah, he is a strange

609
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: man with a strange story. He's a piece of shit.

610
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: He's a Union officer from Maine, and he spent a

611
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Speaker 1: long time as a prisoner of war, held by the

612
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Speaker 1: Confederates who kept trying to get a musketball out of

613
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Speaker 1: his head, like in his brain. He had a musketball

614
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Speaker 1: in his brain, but it didn't kill him. Also, the

615
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: musketball was probably friendly fire, with the implication that maybe

616
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Speaker 1: he was such an asshole that one of his own

617
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Speaker 1: men shot him in the head. It could have been

618
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Speaker 1: an accident.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

620
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Speaker 4: List admit, I'm trying to tell you there's listen if

621
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Speaker 4: y'all be a history buff, like, enjoy the past, but

622
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Speaker 4: the past was a horrible place to live in.

623
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, dude.

624
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Speaker 4: There's no other era in life I want to live in.

625
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: The man walk around with a musket and as they're

626
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Speaker 4: trying to figure out, like, okay, how we get it out?

627
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, Yeah, they spend about seven months figure out

628
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Speaker 1: how to dig it out, and then they just put

629
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Speaker 1: larger and larger holes in his brain every time, and

630
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Speaker 1: he kept surviving.

631
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Speaker 3: It's just absurd. Yeah, these fools will give you like

632
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: you about to Like the eye idea.

633
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: Is if you get a if you get a cut

634
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: on your arm, yeah, we're just gonna cut your arm off.

635
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: And how we're gonna do that is give you some

636
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: wood to bite down on and fit the whiskey. Yeah,

637
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: and that's so just down this whiskey. Yeah, bite on

638
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: this wood. Why saw through your bone?

639
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: Nah? Give me the twenty first century fan.

640
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would. I would turnique it's better technology. Yes,

641
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: absolutely so. Yeah. He survives all these wild eighteen sixties

642
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: brain surgeries. He has a musket ball in his brain

643
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: for seven months before they dig it out, and he

644
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: ends up with this like huge growth on the side

645
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: of his head.

646
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: Right.

647
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Speaker 1: I think he was probably an asshole before it. I'm

648
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: not trying to give him any excuses. He was in

649
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: the Freedman's Bureau, which is supposed to help black people

650
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: get back on their feet, but it end it ends

651
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: up a policing agency as well. And again with this

652
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: idea where it's like, well, we're gonna be a policing

653
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: agency so that the racist courts don't get you, you know, promise.

654
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: He's a racist and he's in charge of a military tripunel.

655
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: He delights in putting down revolts by former slaves. There's

656
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: good money in it for him. He illegally rents out

657
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: the services of the Union Occupation Force to put down strikes.

658
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: They put down a strike by black carpenters and blacksmiths

659
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: at the South Side Railroad. They put down another one

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Speaker 1: by black farmers, and then another one by black Steve

661
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Adores which is also just like, people don't talk about

662
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century being full of strikes by black people.

663
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: People only talk about the white people on strike.

664
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: Which is fucked them.

665
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: So he's putting down all these fucking strikes. I had

666
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: to look it up. A stevedoor or somebody who loads

667
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: and unloads cargo off of a show.

668
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: You had no idea what that was.

669
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So he's a private cop for the owners.

670
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: Basically he sells off the services of him and his

671
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: men to the highest bidders. His official duty was not

672
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: any better. He ran a no jury military court for

673
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: black people in the South, which meant that he enforced

674
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: laws that were about to become illegal.

675
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: But we're not illegal yet, not just yet. Yeah.

676
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: The Black codes, Yeah, the Black Codes included laws like

677
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: all men and women must have employers or be declared vagrants.

678
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: This was theoretically for everyone. This was not It was

679
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: only ever enforced against black people. Black people weren't allowed

680
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: to testify against white people in court, and punishment for

681
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: property crime shot through the roof, which is I mean,

682
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: as a clear example of how they continue this racist control.

683
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: Right as you change, you're like, oh, everyone's property crime laws.

684
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: The punishments have gone up. Never mind that we're only

685
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: applying this or applying this wildly disproportionately to black people. Yeah.

686
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just invent you'd like kind of invent loitering

687
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 4: and trespassing. Yeah, you just invented, like I it's illegal

688
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: to just be outside.

689
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah what you don't have a job. Yeah, they just

690
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: they just outlawed slavery.

691
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

692
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: I just I've been a slave for twenty years. I'm

693
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: just yeah, I don't know. I don't know yet.

694
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: It's been a day. Yeah, I'm just I'm getting some fruit. Like,

695
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm just there's a there's a tree. I don't see

696
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: why I need a job.

697
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: This is it's just it grows on the tree. I'm

698
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: just grabbing the tree. Doesn't belong to anyone. I'm just Yeah. Also,

699
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: that of a little of fun little doozy in those

700
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: black codes of like when we now have the right

701
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: to vote, was like, hey, well you can vote if

702
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: your grandfather could.

703
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: Vote, Oh yeah yeah, they tope at people.

704
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah like okay, that's pretty creative, like all like that

705
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 4: that was real creative. Yeah trash, Like yeah, trash, because.

706
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: That's really creative.

707
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they open up all the old slave pens

708
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: for vagrants pending trial, and to quote that author Scott Nelson,

709
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: men and women without labor contracts could be picked up

710
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: by police and auctioned off to the highest bidder for

711
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: three months of labor. Those who tried to escape during

712
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: their three month term could be used for an additional

713
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: three months and be bound with ball and chain. The

714
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: old slave Patrol was brought back as a special police

715
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: and Bird was selling people to the highest bidder, even

716
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: though he was a union guy.

717
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 3: Right.

718
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: This monstrous state of affairs peaked in spring eighteen sixty

719
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: six in Virginia. The black codes continue like all throughout,

720
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: but like this particular bad set in Richmond, Virginia and

721
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas peaks in eighteen sixty six. And it

722
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: was during spring eighteen sixty six that our man John

723
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Henry got picked up ostensibly for shoplifting credit where it's due.

724
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: Congress and the Supreme Court will working against these black

725
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: codes and got most of the ones in Virginia struck

726
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: down pretty quick. The Supreme Court was like, actually, you

727
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: can't do a military trial while the civil court is

728
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: in session. They passed passed the Civil Rights Active eighteen

729
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: sixty six that said it's a crime to for state

730
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: officials to subject people to different punishments, pains, or penalties

731
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: by reason of his color. And then Bird the asshole

732
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: with a bullet in his brain. He gets fired for

733
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: corruption while while John Henry is awaiting trial. But you

734
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: remember when they legalized merrill and they didn't let any

735
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: of the black men in prison free who were in

736
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: jail for.

737
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally remember that.

738
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that's what happened.

739
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: Did it again, Yeah, yeah, this is the prequel.

740
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so John Henry is still in jail even though

741
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: the person arrested him as a literal whatever.

742
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: Criminal and was said that you weren't allowed to do

743
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: what you did. But he's still sitting in jail. Also,

744
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: fun fact about this time too, that a lot of

745
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: people don't know is that, like before they got these

746
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: black codes up and running, like the amount of like

747
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: black people that got elected to office like skyrocketed. Yeah

748
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because like, oh well, we

749
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 4: just gonna put us, you know what I'm saying, Like

750
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: entire cities had entire black city councils, you know, because

751
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: it was more of us. And too is like, oh,

752
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: we're we get to say who in charge? Yeah, we

753
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: get to wait, we get to choose them. Well, we're

754
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: gonna choose this fool, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

755
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: And then they was like, oh, whoa, whoa, the system

756
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: works too well, let's uh, let's go ahead, and let's

757
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 4: go ahead and throw some throw some poison in the

758
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: well here here.

759
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: I spend way too much of my time anytime I

760
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: read anything about the nineteenth century in the US, I

761
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: just like spend so much my time thinking about, like,

762
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: what the fuck could have happened if if reconstruction had worked,

763
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been destroyed by dude racism, you know, like.

764
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so just like the flying cars, like

765
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: the flourishing Yeah yeah, I'm saying, had we dealt with

766
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: this shit two centuries ago?

767
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah.

768
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: So.

769
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: The one thing that John Henry got out of all

770
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: of this, the stuff that wasn't retroactive, is it did

771
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: give him an actual trial instead of a Freedman Bureau's

772
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: jury list court. All this did for him is slow

773
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: down the inevitable and give it the veneer of legitimacy.

774
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: His actual trial had an all white jury, and the

775
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: judge was a Southern racist who was mad at the

776
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: Northern radicals. The court really had to put in their

777
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: best work. They really put in the overtime to make

778
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: his case of felony, because you had to shoplift more

779
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: than twenty dollars for it to be a felony. All

780
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: of the goods to combine in the store that he

781
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: supposedly robbed were worth fifty dollars. So they're like, well,

782
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: you robbed half the store. But they couldn't.

783
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they couldn't come up with that. They couldn't.

784
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: So what they did is even though this didn't it

785
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: didn't have an apartment above it, it was just a

786
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: fucking store, they pretended like the guy lived there and

787
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: so that it was housebreaking. So now it's a felony,

788
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: and you know, courts are racist. But another trial in

789
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Virginia is happening. This started the same day as his,

790
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: which would have been a really interesting trial and I

791
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: wish it had gone through. It is the first intererrational,

792
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: interracial jury in the state's history. It is the treason

793
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: trial for Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederate States

794
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: of America. Oh wow, But the federal prosecutors lost their

795
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: nerve and they call the trial off.

796
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: Oh man, please don't let Do you think the history's

797
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: going to repeat himself with that one?

798
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: I know, That's all I was just thinking about. I

799
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 1: was like, this is why all the racists are so mad,

800
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: right that Trump's on trial, is that they're like, you're

801
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: not allowed to put a president on trial. And it's

802
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: probably we got away with it with Davis, you.

803
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, I mean, I don't.

804
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: I would never second guess Georgia like them Atlanta prosecuted

805
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: to say like, nah, we know we're doing this, like yeah, yeah.

806
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting.

807
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: Day.

809
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: But the trial that they're not afraid to call off,

810
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: that's more important to the government than the trial of

811
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: Jefferson Davis is a trial to put John Henry In,

812
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old black kid, in prison for maybe

813
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: but probably not shoplifting.

814
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.

815
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: Convicted and given ten years for house breaking in a

816
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: store that wasn't a house. It is also completely possible

817
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: that he never shoplifted a thing. Bird was arresting people

818
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: for striking and accusing people of why old shit everywhere

819
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: he could.

820
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 4: Yes, and I mean and you again standing Yeah was illegal? Yeah,

821
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: I can't so you just can't be standing there? Yeah,

822
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 4: do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, this I can't

823
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: stress enough how absurd that is.

824
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

825
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Anyway, No, I like when I used to get a

826
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: hassle for loitering when I was a street kid. At

827
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: one point I finally like printed out the Maryland law

828
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: about loitering and was like, brilliant, I'm not legally loitering

829
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: in the cops like, I don't care, give me your ID.

830
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: You know what's the crime? Yeah, Like the crime is

831
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: standing here? Who is the victim?

832
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah.

833
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: So November eighteen sixty six, John Henry was transported to

834
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: the Virginia Penitentiarre Pennant whatever prison on a steamboat up

835
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: the river past the wreckage of the Civil War. At

836
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: this point, the penitentiary, I think I got it right,

837
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: held five hundred inmates, most of them were new because

838
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: all but fifty inmates escaped in April when the Confederacy

839
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: fell and the government fled Richmond. They were like, yeah,

840
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: we're getting the fuck out of here.

841
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, woy would I stay?

842
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

843
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

844
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Imagine being the fifty who are left, Like maybe they

845
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: couldn't run, or maybe they were like.

846
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: You're so pissed off. I know, I know you'd like

847
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 3: y'all didn't waked me up. Yeah, nobody could have went

848
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: Nobody woke me up.

849
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

850
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 4: I was saving corn brand for y'all this whole time. Yeah,

851
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 4: we was in jail. I was saying extra food for y'all.

852
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: Y'all ain't wake me up. Yeah, so pissed off.

853
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Henry was innate four hundred ninety seven, and

854
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: this one was a new every day learned new bullshit

855
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: about America. Any black convict who showed up who didn't

856
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: have a scar was given one so that they could

857
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: be identified because they can't kill black people apart.

858
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: You just taught me some. Yeah, you just taught me some. Yeah. Wow, Okay.

859
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether this is because I know

860
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: that at least the guy who's doing it there gets

861
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: fired and we'll talk about that. But I'm sure that

862
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: this is a regular practice. You know.

863
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: Damn John Hennery, we were branded, but like, yeah, god dog,

864
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: that's crazy. I didn't anyway, go on.

865
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's a whole new world. We can enslave people

866
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: through shadow slavery, so we can't brand people like.

867
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: Right now, we can't brand because of political correctness.

868
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Whope culture has gone too far.

869
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: Whope cultures too far. Can't brand our niggers. Yeah, I'm sorry, guys.

870
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: No, no, John Henry had or received a scar on

871
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: each arm. Black prisoners outnumbered white prisoners tend to one.

872
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of them were arrested for property crime, and

873
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: so begins America's wonderful legacy of continuing to use black

874
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: people as slaves. Yeah, but you know what.

875
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: Won't do that?

876
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: God, No, there's a lot of that in the Bible.

877
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: Actually, Oh no, you'd be on the wrong side of

878
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: history on that.

879
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: We're good.

880
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we should just do.

881
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: Set the captives free.

882
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: I've been hanging out with my moms. Man, Like I

883
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: had to go, like hang out with my mom.

884
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: So I like I was at her.

885
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: Little her little Baptist starts with her recently. So I

886
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: got all of it came back. Now, all the quotes

887
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 4: came back.

888
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, good shit in there.

889
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: Look, look, look the greatest look, let me tell you

890
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 4: the greatest rappers in orders you will ever hear is

891
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: that black preaching boy? Yeah, my man got sayings anyway.

892
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what else has sayings is whatever we're

893
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: advertising today, which we definitely hand picked because we specifically

894
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: care and we will be personally hurt if you don't

895
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: buy these things.

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: Hey, we're back.

897
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: So prison slavery, convict labor is not the same thing

898
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: as chattel slavery. It is good that we got wrote

899
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: of chattel slavery, but it is I'm not being hyperbolic

900
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: when I call prison labor slavery. The Thirteenth Amendments of

901
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: the Constitution of the United States reads neither slavery nor

902
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime, whereof the parts

903
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: shall have been duly convicted that shall exist within the

904
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

905
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I look, man, every time somebody bring up the

906
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: thirteenth Amendment, I just copy and paste the mug and.

907
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: Be like, yes, did you read the second half.

908
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: There's an asterisk, guys, Yeah, there's an asterisk. Read the footnote.

909
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

910
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: We have more work to do. Is a good thing

911
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: that we started and we need to continue it.

912
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

913
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: So these convicts, mostly black, are least to do labor

914
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: all over the place. Richmond was rebuilt after the war

915
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: to end black slavery with black slavery conditions are really

916
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: bad within the prison. But this, this far is interesting.

917
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, a reformer steps in as the warden trying

918
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: to set things right in the Virginia penitentiary. He's honestly

919
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: a really interesting study in why reform has some problems

920
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: in this kind of situation. Okay, Burnham wardwell, his name is.

921
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: His name is?

922
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 6: Yeah?

923
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: His name again, the warren is named Burnham Wardwell.

924
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: Oh, some people are just it's you if some things

925
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: are just destiny.

926
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Sophie changed her name away from podcaster

927
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: to try and get away from fate.

928
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: I get it, man, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

929
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: He was a radical Republican Quaker. Quakers are really interesting because,

930
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: in one hand, they were the largest organized group of

931
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: white people fighting and dying to free black people before

932
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: the Civil War. They also invented the penitentiary and the

933
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: modern prison system by accident. Yeah, and Burnham he is

934
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: to descended from convicted wizards.

935
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 4: Oh oh so now so now the vinn diagram has happened.

936
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 4: Our worlds have converged right here.

937
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, his ancestors got murdered in the Salem

938
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: which trials for being wizards. I would own the ship

939
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: out of that. If I was him, I.

940
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: Would be tattoos. Yeah, like no waker would wizard in

941
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: my blood.

942
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

943
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: So he had moved before the war. He was living

944
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: in Richmond and he was a successful businessman. I want

945
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: to say he was an ice dealer or something that's

946
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: not code for anything.

947
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: He sold ice. Would you say that he was a

948
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: rich man north of oh nice? I'm sorry.

949
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 4: I've been trying to work this in all the time

950
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: since we're doing Virginia.

951
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 3: Wow, I apologize.

952
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: It was.

953
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: It was. It was low hanging fruit.

954
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: Literally, we're literally being a poet.

955
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: You were trying.

956
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 5: You can't turn that part of your brain off.

957
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: If you want to hear prop sing snead O'Connor, you

958
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: can check out Oh yes, the episode on the history

959
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: of hip hop.

960
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: So I needed to put some respect on old girl

961
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: name boy. I'd say Eric, Yeah anyway, the terrible person.

962
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: But the remix of her song with Biggie's song when

963
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: Connor mac gregor walks out.

964
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard, it's pretty dope.

965
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: It's pretty dope. Yeah.

966
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: So our guy is an iced dealer living in Richmond,

967
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: and he refuses to leave on the South seas. I

968
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: think he wants to stay and look after his business.

969
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: But he's really obviously an abolitionist and a Quaker, so

970
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: he spends the Civil War in Confederate prison. He actually

971
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: sat on the mixed race jury for Jefferson Davis, and

972
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: there's a photo of him in the jury, and I

973
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: wish he had just been one of the men to

974
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: convict Jefferson Davis instead of one of the people who

975
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: got the US going on convict labor. Because this reformer,

976
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: he's put in charge and he wants to fix it

977
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: around the prison. He cleans and he fumigates the place,

978
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: he gets he gets better blankets for the coming winter,

979
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: brings a Quaker from Philly to run a school for

980
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: the inmates. He replaces all the shittiest guards, including the

981
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: guy in charge of scarring black men. And he also

982
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: got rid of and I can't believe that this was

983
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: a thing that they had to get rid of. He

984
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: got rid of the well, he got two things. One

985
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: was the literal medieval rack that they had for torture.

986
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: And he also got rid of you know, the like

987
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: the phrase the hole for solitary confinement. Yeah, yeah, in Virginia,

988
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: it was a hole in the ground and they put

989
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: you in the hole and then they put wooden boards

990
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: across the top. He got rid of all that shit

991
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: because he actually genuinely cared and did the wrong thing

992
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: after this, because he was like, well, all this reform

993
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: costs money. Where can I get some money? Previously prisoners

994
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: had only been leased out seasonally. He's like, well, these

995
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: railroads need work. Why don't I lease out these prisoners

996
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: year round to the railroads? What could go wrong?

997
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 4: I wonder if in his head he's like, this is

998
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: an honest day's pay, like this is reform because he

999
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: seems to have but yeah, yeah, like a smudge of

1000
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: dignity inside of him. So he's like, let's let's give

1001
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 4: these guys dignity. They could work for work to earn

1002
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: their key.

1003
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1004
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: No, And he personally goes out to check out the

1005
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: railroad camp. He is like, I need to make sure

1006
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: that these people will have like food and shelter, and

1007
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was like the food

1008
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: is fine.

1009
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1010
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: He was like, Okay, this is going to be okay,

1011
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: let's go, and he leased out two hundred and twenty

1012
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: five black men to the railroad, including John the Hammer Henry,

1013
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: who was probably not called John the Hammer Henry, but

1014
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: it could have been. He was twenty one years old

1015
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: at this.

1016
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 6: Point and.

1017
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: Wardwell later he's not only like, oh, I was definitely wrong.

1018
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: He spent the rest of his life fighting against prison

1019
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: labor and the convict lease system. Wow he is so interesting.

1020
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Wow he gets yeah, go ahead.

1021
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1022
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 4: He was just like, God, I like I regret it,

1023
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: Like I regret what happened. I thought I was doing

1024
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: a good thing, and I tried to make it right.

1025
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, dang.

1026
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: He gives speeches about how convict labor does two bad things.

1027
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: One it fucks up the free working class who can't compete,

1028
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: and two that it killed convicts because, unlike free laborers,

1029
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: they couldn't quit if the conditions got too bad. So

1030
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: he like knew what was wrong with it. It wasn't

1031
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: just like, oh, it would have been fine, but the

1032
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: conditions were bad. He was like, no, this is a

1033
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: bad idea to its core. His tombstone, says, has a

1034
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: lot of quotes on It's a big quote quote filled tombstone,

1035
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: and it includes when the innocent is convicted, the court

1036
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: is condemned and remember them that are in bonds so

1037
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: like yours. But he takes it seriously. Ice dealer is

1038
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: not his main fucking vocation.

1039
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: Look man, that's just a sigh hustle.

1040
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I dealer got got some cold quotes.

1041
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so also did some cold blooded shit.

1042
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: Hey cold blooded you know what I'm saying.

1043
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: Because the railroad camps that he sells all these men to,

1044
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: they get way way worse. Railroad politics of reconstruction era

1045
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: America are convoluted as fuck. But basically it's the same

1046
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: thing where public money fund funds private enterprise. Shortly thereafter

1047
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: he goes out and he checks out the railroad. Then

1048
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: the railroad changes hands and it's now owned by an

1049
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: asshole named Covis Potter Huntington, which is just not a course.

1050
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: If you're an American and your name is Covis Potter Huntington,

1051
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: go back to England. I don't care where you were born.

1052
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you don't. Yeah, just this ain't your hood.

1053
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah.

1054
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: It became the Chesapeake and Ohio instead of the Covington

1055
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: in Ohio, and they were given millions of dollars from

1056
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: the state. Plus all these convict laborers and they were

1057
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: given six months to build a railroad to Ohio, which

1058
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: everyone was like, that can't be done, but he was like.

1059
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have it.

1060
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. He goes to West Virginia and

1061
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: he founds a town named Huntington. Also, you just shouldn't.

1062
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: Other people can name towns after you, but if you

1063
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: name you are on the town man yourself.

1064
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: You had a blaze of creativity.

1065
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, he's looking for a name, he doesn't

1066
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: know many words, looks at his lease or whatever the

1067
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: fund has. Yeah, Ton's the that's the ending of a town.

1068
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: How about that.

1069
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Virginia almost bankrupted itself funding the cno railroads construction.

1070
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: And I've read some stuff that talks about how this

1071
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: impoverished the South and led to a lot of the

1072
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: like newly freed people going hungry and fucked up the economy.

1073
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: And it gets a little bit beyond my understandings. Hunting

1074
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: And is like, I can do it in six years,

1075
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: and people are like, but it can't be done, and

1076
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: he's like, well I can thanks to the miracles of

1077
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: modern science. Nitroglycerin, which is about ten times as explode

1078
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: as gunpowder by volume, so the same drilled whole packs

1079
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: of like packed full would be wildly more effective. It

1080
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: is insanely dangerous to handle a box of this stuff

1081
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Had just like it was like in

1082
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: the wrong place. Since some workers tried to take off

1083
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the lid. It took out several city blocks of San Francisco.

1084
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, whose box is it?

1085
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1086
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: Hey, put it over there.

1087
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: It's not ticking. I'm sure it's fine.

1088
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: It's fine, it's just sitting there. Yeah.

1089
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: Then a guy named Alfred Nobel, more famous for other works, hmmm,

1090
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: found a way to stabilize nitroglycerin, mixing it with gunpowder

1091
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: and clay, inventing dynamite, which was a trademark name. I

1092
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: had no idea serious, it's like clean handed, yeah, totally.

1093
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I did not know that. Yeah, I

1094
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Speaker 1: forgot to write down the name of the main competitor.

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Speaker 1: There's another person.

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Speaker 5: Anderson was dynamite for Halloween once.

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Speaker 3: Did you get so? Was Henom?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, instead of barking, that's just what came out of

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Speaker 5: her mouth.

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Speaker 3: That's hilarious. That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know dynamite was like dang, it's like, yeah,

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00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 4: it's like Xerox Kleenex coke for your side of the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh no, I'm a I grew up in

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Speaker 1: soda Land.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're in soda Yeah, okay, near mind.

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Speaker 1: About ten years after today's story, a black anarchist in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Lucy Parsons is a quote about dynamite that I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to work into this because I think it's fun.

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00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: Dynamite of all the good stuff, that is the stuff,

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Speaker 1: several stuff, several pounds of this sublime stuff into an

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Speaker 1: inch pipe, plug up both ends and sert a cap

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Speaker 1: of the fuse attached. Places in the immediate vicinity of

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: a lot of rich loafers who live by the sweat

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Speaker 1: of other people's brows and light the fuse. A most

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Speaker 1: cheerful and gratifying result will follow.

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Speaker 2: Yo.

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Speaker 3: That was poetry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, she is an amazing writer and she's hard

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Speaker 1: as fuck. All of our all of our stuff is

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Speaker 1: like I mean, all of our stuff is really poetic

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Speaker 1: stuff about how you should stab and kill all the

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00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: rich people and take everything back from them. The actual

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00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: result in Chicago wasn't really cheerful gratifying. Her husband actually

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Speaker 1: ends up hanged basically for publishing her words, and that's

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Speaker 1: why we have May Day, the workers holiday. But that's

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Speaker 1: a different story that you can hear the first episode

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Speaker 1: of the podcast.

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Speaker 3: You slooped in so many things right now?

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Speaker 4: Oh that was you know, you're watching birds and they're

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00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: just kind of like doing the thing.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden they get into sync. That's what

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Speaker 3: you just did right now. Thank you, thank you. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So, Nigel Glistenering is on the scene and a lot

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Speaker 1: of Irish laborers who are doing most of the work

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00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: as we talked about, but not all of it. They

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Speaker 1: were like, I'm not touching that shit. That is too dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So out west they start and out west, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's entirely related to the Irish. I

1139
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: think the Irish were mostly on the East coast. They

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Speaker 1: start relying more and more on indentured Chinese labor.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say it is Chinese over in San

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Speaker 3: Francisco in there. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that doesn't get talked about

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Speaker 1: is that most of the Chinese laborers who built the

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: Transit trans Continent a railroad were indentured, held for like

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00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: four or five year stints. So they now have dynamite

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00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: instead of gunpowder, and they had trained cars to pull

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00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: the rubble out. The only slow part of the process

1151
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: left was the drilling, which means steam drills, which means

1152
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: a life and death race between man versus machine, which

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00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: means a legend will be born, which we'll talk about

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. It's a douche. I've been working on my cliffhangers.

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Speaker 3: That was good man. Yeah, they liked it. That was

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00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: a good one. That deserves three body rolls one.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm glad you remember the body rolls.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, everyone in the audience has thought

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00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: you've been doing it the whole time.

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Speaker 4: The whole time, like it's hours where the body rolls. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well we talked a little bit about how people can

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Speaker 1: find you, but how can people find Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I think, uh you know, let's let's get you

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Speaker 3: guys some cold grew coffee.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go to our website, the terra form coldbrew dot com.

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Speaker 3: It's really good, it really is.

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Speaker 4: Use promo code hood get you fifteen percent off man,

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Speaker 4: you know, just for our cool zone folks. Yeah, dude, man,

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Speaker 4: prop hip hop is all the things still on Instagram

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Speaker 4: and X because listen if if a platform wants to

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Speaker 4: change his name, I will honor if they're choosing it.

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Speaker 4: You know, listen, if that is your choice, pronoun now,

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Speaker 4: I will honor your choice.

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Speaker 1: X Yeah, they changed the verb to post.

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Speaker 3: They changed their verb to post. If you're going to

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: change your verb, yeah, who am I to judge you? Now?

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Speaker 3: I don't have to use it.

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Speaker 5: Your logo looks like shit.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, all right, when I tell you that logo like, wait,

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Speaker 4: where did I hear this?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 4: Cody said, it look like a men's what do you say,

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00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: like a like a men's soap, like a men's lotion bottle. Yeah,

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: from twenty years ago, from twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Just distressed.

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00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 4: My man took an x at put distressed filter on it.

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 4: Photoshop three point Oh that's not even like, that's not

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Speaker 4: even creative suite.

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Speaker 7: That's just three point oho photoshop. Yeah, this is incredible. No,

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Speaker 7: he just never changed his aesthetics from the late nineties,

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 7: and he had the worst possible aesthetics available in the

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Speaker 7: late nineties.

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Speaker 4: Just bleeding cowboy font Yeah, defont dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gets a tattooed with the distress too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, of course it's a tramp stamp. Oh, I'd

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Speaker 3: be flawless, and it's I'm on.

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Speaker 1: To it when he when he fights Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 5: It's not fighting Zuckerberg, I know, but.

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Speaker 3: I dream Zuckerberg.

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 4: Zuckerbird is the hero, and this because he's now or

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Speaker 4: at least a miracle worker, because he figured out how

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00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: to make us cheer for him.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm.

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Speaker 4: So mad at you for it, but I'm like Judo,

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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 4: like that's full respect man like you.

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Speaker 1: Because he would wipe the floor with him, and I

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: want it to happen. And I'm like, why do I

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: want it to happen? Zuckerberg is evil, but not as

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm cheering for Mark Zuckerbird, which is happening right now.

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00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: Zacho beat that man's ass in like five seconds. That's

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: why he's not doing it. It's so I'm barrossing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for this to hang off the cliff.

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no one, I'm just going to step on

1218
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: your toes for two days and then I'm going.

1219
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: To pull you up.

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you can.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I had the thing I was going to remember to plug,

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Speaker 1: and then I remembered what it was, and now I've

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: forgotten again. I don't know what it is there. There's

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00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: this thing I keep thinking. I'm like, I need to

1226
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: remember to plug this thing, and I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: it is, but I guess. In the meantime, I'm on Substack.

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Speaker 1: I post weekly. I have another podcast called Live Like

1229
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: the World's Dying about individual community preparedness. A bunch of books.

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Speaker 1: Most recent one is called Escape from Insul Island. It

1231
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: does what it says on the cover. You can read

1232
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: it if you have a short attention span. This is

1233
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: the book for you. It is very short and fast.

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Speaker 1: Pay uh, Sophie, what do you got?

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Speaker 2: I got a plug for a mini series running on

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Speaker 2: It could happen here around the time. This episode is

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Speaker 2: originally dropping done by James Stout, so look out for

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Speaker 2: those James Southberry, talented journalist and writer. We haven't named

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01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: it yet, but it's it's about the Marshall Islands.

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: Oh, that explains the messages from him about the Marshall Islands.

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01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: It's all coming together. He was just there, Yeah, exactly,

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: all right. I'll see you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media.

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