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Speaker 1: Ron An Aanian.

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Speaker 2: Volkswagen came out with this statement they wanted to be

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Speaker 2: the largest seller of vehicles in the world. You know,

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Speaker 2: they want to sell more cars than anybody, Volkswagen themselves.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: My answer is, you can do that, but you gotta

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Speaker 2: be able to supply parts for it.

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Speaker 4: The Car Doctor, what parts am I going to have

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Speaker 4: a hard time finding? And should I start trying to

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Speaker 4: buy up now while the car is only thirty three

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Speaker 4: years old?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it might be too late.

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Speaker 1: But let's say, welcome to the radio home of ron

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Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one, this is

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Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive

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Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a

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Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. The

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Speaker 1: garage doors.

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Speaker 2: Are open, but I am here to take your call

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Speaker 2: at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: now Hee, Ronnie's It was kind of mind blowing this

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Speaker 2: week at the shop. It really was. I had to

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Speaker 2: take it all in and understand it because the numbers

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Speaker 2: don't make sense in my head as I'm seeing new

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Speaker 2: time highs for what you're going to what you're willing

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Speaker 2: to put into an old vehicle. It's not that it's

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Speaker 2: not worth doing, but it's it's I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say the words refreshing, but it's really, yeah, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of refreshing to see everybody sort of appreciate the value

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Speaker 2: of vehicle. It's a long time coming, and I've got

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Speaker 2: to say that. I guess it's the state of the economy,

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Speaker 2: the lack of cars, the price of cars, price of everything,

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Speaker 2: but the price of cars sure comes to mind. Two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one camera, a two thousand and one camera

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Speaker 2: with one hundred and ninety three thousand miles on it.

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Speaker 2: V six automatic nice camera XLA bodies a little beat up.

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Speaker 2: It's a sort of an inner city car. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's got a couple of dens and scrapes in it.

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Speaker 2: It's no trailer queen by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it came in regular customer and we

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Speaker 2: see Peter Oh, you know, once every two years. I

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Speaker 2: consider him a very regular customer because it's he'll take

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Speaker 2: the car, he'll drive it, he'll do a couple of

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Speaker 2: oil changes himself, and then after a couple of years

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Speaker 2: he brings it back and he says, you know, rebuild

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Speaker 2: it okay.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: Just just just crazy. We did a checklist and the

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Speaker 2: car was tired this time around. It was really kind

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Speaker 2: of banged up and beat up. It needed a lot,

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Speaker 2: It needed four tires, It needed four struts. The front

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Speaker 2: swaybar links were bad, the rear swavebar bushings were bad.

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Speaker 2: Valve covers were leaking oil really badly, you know, creating

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Speaker 2: a major catastrophe in the making because the rear cover

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Speaker 2: is dripping right on the exhaust as well as the front.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you d it all up eight grand.

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Speaker 2: Think about that number. Digest that a little bit, roll

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Speaker 2: that around in your mouth a couple of times. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna put eight grand into a two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: that makes it twenty three years old, with two hundred

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Speaker 2: with twenty thousand miles on it. And I tried talking

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Speaker 2: them out of it, you know, like, why why are

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Speaker 2: we doing this? Are you sure we want to do this?

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Speaker 2: Does this? Does this make sense, you know, as a viable, reasonable,

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Speaker 2: rational thing. And the answer I got told the story

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Speaker 2: and it's something I hear from a lot of you,

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Speaker 2: you know. The the first answer was, well, we know

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Speaker 2: what we have when we're done. We know what we have,

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Speaker 2: we know what the you know, we know what the

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Speaker 2: repairs have been up to this point on this car,

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Speaker 2: because we've worked on the car probably ten years, twelve

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Speaker 2: years now. We've seen this car before. And they said,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a basic car as much as a two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one could be a basic car. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: have start stop, it doesn't have a lot of computer tree,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have a lot of gadgets and gizmos, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's very mechanical. And I like the dashboard, and

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Speaker 2: I can find the heat controls, and I can find

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Speaker 2: the window buttons, and it just it just makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Plus they said, nobody really wants to steal it, or

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Speaker 2: you don't worry about if it gets dented or dinged

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Speaker 2: in the supermarket because it's an old car. And eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars is a lot cheaper than thirty to buy

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Speaker 2: a used one or fifty to buy a new one.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't argue with that, that kind of thinking,

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Speaker 2: you can't argue with that logic. Of course, their last

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Speaker 2: statement hesitant to tell you this. He said, look who

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Speaker 2: we got for a mechanic. We know it's fixed well,

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Speaker 2: I get that too. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: mechanics out there that when they get done, they know

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Speaker 2: it's fixed. Look what you get eight grand? We had

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Speaker 2: other cars this week, we had let's see what else

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Speaker 2: did we work on this week? It was everything was

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Speaker 2: everything was two and four and five thousand dollars. Repairs,

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Speaker 2: tires and brakes and struts and services and just getting

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Speaker 2: the car ready for winter.

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Speaker 5: And just.

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Speaker 2: I think the new car market's in for a shot.

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Speaker 2: I really do. I think that things are transitioning faster

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Speaker 2: than they can keep up. I think that you know,

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Speaker 2: you're going to see pricing come down because they're going

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Speaker 2: to realize. I remember back in two thousand and eight

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Speaker 2: when they were giving cars away with the big crash,

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Speaker 2: right the financial crash of eight, and car companies couldn't

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Speaker 2: sell cars, give cars away, or do anything with them.

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Speaker 2: And as a result, they they just you know, were

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Speaker 2: lowering prices. I remember my O eight Chevy pickup I

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Speaker 2: bought for almost what I believe was pretty dard near

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Speaker 2: close at the cost at the time. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think I paid twenty two thousand dollars for a brand

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Speaker 2: new thirty five hundred Chevy one Ton pickup in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight, which you know, I think then it

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Speaker 2: had a list list price or a manufacturer suggest a

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Speaker 2: retail list price of about thirty five thousand, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to happening, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to peak. You know, I think it's going to

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Speaker 2: peak real quick. You know, one of the things that's

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Speaker 2: really driving the price of cars and parts or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: and price of used car repairs is parts. You're just

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Speaker 2: out of control. It's it's and I've said this to

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Speaker 2: you guys before that you know, we can't keep I

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Speaker 2: can't keep an air filter on the shelf one day

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Speaker 2: that you know, one day that filter costs fifteen dollars,

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Speaker 2: the next day it costs twenty. And just they're just

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Speaker 2: taking staggering jumps and I haven't gotten to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of it yet. I keep hearing rumors that in the

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Speaker 2: filter world, one major filter company I'm gonna guess and

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Speaker 2: say Mond Humble bought bought a bunch of the others,

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Speaker 2: and now everybody's operating under the same roof, and they're

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Speaker 2: consolidating and shrinking some of the lines and getting rid

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Speaker 2: less choices for filters. It might be Mond Humble. I

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Speaker 2: might be wrong on that, but you get the idea.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of consolidation going on now. Some people

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Speaker 2: are saying the consolidations going on because of the pending

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Speaker 2: EV future, which I don't know. We could talk about

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Speaker 2: that for the next four hours. Nevermind too, because a

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Speaker 2: lot of things are happening there. I've got a bunch

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Speaker 2: of stories in front of me that talk about the

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Speaker 2: failing EV future, how the future isn't so bright anymore,

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Speaker 2: and they're starting to realize and come to elimination. But

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Speaker 2: back to the shop, just you know, and I guess

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Speaker 2: it's okay. I will caution you, and I say this

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Speaker 2: very very intently in that if you are going to

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Speaker 2: spend serious money on that vehicle, you know, five hundred,

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Speaker 2: one thousand, two thousand whatever serious to you, you need

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Speaker 2: to ask the right questions. This is where I'm going

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Speaker 2: to try and empower you. You need to talk to

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Speaker 2: your mechanic, whoever they are, and ask them, have you

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Speaker 2: done a checklist? Have you looked that vehicle over? Do

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Speaker 2: you know that? Okay, I need front brakes? How do

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Speaker 2: the back breaks. Look, how does the rest of the

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Speaker 2: suspension look, how does the undercarriage appear? You know, depending

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Speaker 2: upon what part of the country you're in and where

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Speaker 2: you're driving this vehicle and the operating condition, different componentry

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Speaker 2: take different hits and fail sooner faster than later, and

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Speaker 2: you've got to be aware of that. You've also got

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Speaker 2: to be prepared that a higher mileage vehicle can have

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Speaker 2: more than one thing wrong with it. I've got to

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Speaker 2: know five Volvo sitting at the shop that two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Colin decided to start driving it again. It had sat

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Speaker 2: for a while, and we put a battery in it

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Speaker 2: and changed the oil, and we we did a checklist.

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Speaker 2: We looked it over. We didn't see anything physically wrong.

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Speaker 2: Everything appeared intact, everything as mechanically straight as we could

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Speaker 2: possibly see it to be. And he drove the car

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Speaker 2: two weeks later, got towed in yesterday. I think the

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Speaker 2: alternator died, not a not a form function or misfit

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Speaker 2: of something that would have picked up on the checklist.

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Speaker 2: It was working at the time. So you've got to

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Speaker 2: be prepared that that older vehicle that almost in this

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Speaker 2: case eighteen year old Volvo one hundred fifty thousand miles.

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Speaker 2: It's going to have things fail. The question becomes what's

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Speaker 2: cheaper a replacement car, a replacement or you know, replacement

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Speaker 2: parts and a repair to go with it. So you've

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Speaker 2: got to change your thinking a little bit and you've

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Speaker 2: got to be a little bit open minded. Now, a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there, you're just going to continue

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Speaker 2: understand that, and it also proves my other point that

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, cars are a lifestyle. You buy

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Speaker 2: something you're comfortab with, you buy something that fits you,

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Speaker 2: you buy something that you can afford. Just just just

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Speaker 2: don't rush to do anything too quick, too soon, if

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. If if you think it

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Speaker 2: needs major repairs and you're concerned, you need to look

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Speaker 2: at the rest of the car. You know, hopefully your

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Speaker 2: mechanic points out what I pointed out to the eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars Toyota camera owner about you know what if

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Speaker 2: you got to play the what if game? What if

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Speaker 2: the engine failed? Hey, I can still put an engine

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Speaker 2: in the car for five grand. It's still cheaper than

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Speaker 2: a replacement vehicle. The new car market's upside down The

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Speaker 2: used car market is upside down and it's not getting

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Speaker 2: any better anytime soon. So but that was my week

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Speaker 2: at the shop. I finished that car. That car is

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Speaker 2: just where. We've got to shoot the alignment on Monday

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Speaker 2: and then it'll go. But the highlight of the week

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Speaker 2: was working on that car. Had to put a front

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Speaker 2: exhaust pipe on it. That was the other thing it needed. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, the two thousand, twenty two dollars exhaust pipe

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Speaker 2: from Toyota, because it has a catalytic converter built in,

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Speaker 2: had to be replaced. We found a nice after market

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Speaker 2: version for about half that price because and they're funny, right,

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Speaker 2: customers are just that I'd always been two grand. I

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Speaker 2: want to okay, so I'll do the thousand dollars pipe

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Speaker 2: or the eleven hundred dollar pipe. And certain things still

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Speaker 2: bother you, and I see it. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: psychology to order repair. But it really felt good and

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Speaker 2: I impressed the heck out of Danny. Yesterday, the old

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Speaker 2: man had to get on one foot and kick his

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Speaker 2: the exhaust manifold and with a dead eye, drilled the

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Speaker 2: bolt out the stud that had broken off in the

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Speaker 2: manifold and drilled it out one shot with a good

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Speaker 2: sharp drill bit and tapped the hole and fixed the car.

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Speaker 2: And Danny looked at me and says, had you do that?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. The

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Speaker 2: Ron An Aeni and the car doctor don't go away.

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Speaker 2: He drives that way.

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Speaker 6: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car

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Speaker 2: Here's Ron. Hey, let's get over to Paul and Virginian

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Speaker 2: and see what's going on here. Paul, Welcome to the

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ron, I appreciate you being that for us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I've got a ninety four f one fifty and it

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Speaker 3: was this way when I bought it. The phenomen odometer

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Speaker 3: information and I see Carl is talking about an automatic transmission. Well,

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Speaker 3: this one is a stick five speed. Okay, and I

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Speaker 2: Truck half cruise does the truck half cruise control.

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Speaker 3: Poll it does, and that does not work.

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Speaker 2: Six cylinder, of course, is this six? Is this a

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Speaker 2: So the first thing you're gonna want to do is

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Speaker 3: And that was good. That would have been nice. Since

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Speaker 2: Let's do the easy stuff first before we get into

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Speaker 2: all right. We should see between We should see between

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Speaker 2: All right, if we go across it. Because it's only

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Speaker 2: you find that at the sensor, the sensor tests correct.

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Speaker 2: All right. Let's say resistance value is nine point fifty.

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Speaker 2: It puts out a vault and a half AC at thirty.

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Speaker 2: It puts out three volts at sixty. Perfect. You've looked

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do next?

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Speaker 3: Then it would be the tone ring?

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Speaker 2: Well, now, why would it be the tone ring? I'm

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Speaker 2: We looked at it with an AC with a digital vaultometer.

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Speaker 2: We looked at it with a labscope. We've got two

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Speaker 2: Sensor's good. We're done. Sensor's goods phenometer still doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: What's your next step?

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Speaker 3: Well, it could be the cluster, could.

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Speaker 2: Be the cluster bingo. But before we condemn the cluster.

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Speaker 2: Let's get out a wiring diagram. Those two wires follow

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Speaker 2: we did at the sensor at the cluster, right.

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Speaker 5: OK.

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Speaker 2: And that's nothing more than pulling the cluster out, finding

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Speaker 2: because half the time anti theft goes through the cluster.

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Speaker 2: So let's just let's just pin out the wire, the

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Speaker 2: the back. Where are we going? Cluster? Right? But but

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Speaker 2: I say you see how I got you there? Rather

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Speaker 3: To solve, and and it'd be easier just to check

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Speaker 2: To test it, because.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, otherwise have to take the leads

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Speaker 2: And you could go along. Sure you could do that,

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Speaker 2: See for me, it'd be different. I'd have it up

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Speaker 2: the cluster apart. Because my concern is on a on

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Speaker 2: a thirty ninety four two thousand and four, two thousand

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Speaker 2: and four, on a thirty year old vehicle, how easily

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Speaker 2: everything else is going to come out? So if I

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Speaker 2: rather test. I'd rather test it. I'd rather test it

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Speaker 2: from the I'd rather test the rear from the cab

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Speaker 2: or under the truck if I possibly could. Is it

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Speaker 2: a four wheel driver or two wheel drive? Paul, it's

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Speaker 2: a hold all right? Can we if we keep it

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Speaker 2: in two wheel drive? And if your nervous pop the

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Speaker 2: drive it at thirty miles an hour and watch the signal.

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Speaker 2: Right that it'd work too. You can do it that way,

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Speaker 2: but either way, that's your testing kid. Oh, you got

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Speaker 2: to get that done and then we can talk about

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Speaker 2: what else. If anything else has to be done, give

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Speaker 2: the car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Don't

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Speaker 2: go away.

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Speaker 6: Ron's in the zone, the Auto Zone studio, and he'll

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Speaker 6: do you back right after this. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 6: AutoZone studio. Here's Ron.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's let's go cruise over to Kentucky and see

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Speaker 2: what's going on with David fourteen Jeep Patriot. David. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the car Doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, it's an honor to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for you all the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. What's going on?

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Speaker 4: I have? It's my daughter's car, she has a twenty

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Speaker 4: fourteen Zee Patriot. And mostly it's when you first started

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Speaker 4: it and then sometimes it'll stay good for a while.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: And it does have several codes. I can give you

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Speaker 4: those about of help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it got? Twenty one, ten, twenty one, twelve.

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Speaker 4: Twenty one, seventy three keeps okay?

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Speaker 2: And that's is that? Is that the only one that

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Speaker 4: No, sir, it's got several three more give me. It's

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Speaker 4: got a PO four two zero, a C one five

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Speaker 4: zero three, and a C one two one.

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Speaker 2: C Okay, So the other two let's not let's not

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Speaker 2: focus on those. The four to twenty is a cat

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Speaker 2: efficiency code, all right, yes, catalytic converter efficiency. Did they

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Speaker 4: If you clear them out, they all come back. Seems

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Speaker 4: like pretty much the same time. I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 4: and brings it back, they're all everyone of them's in.

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Speaker 2: There, okay, okay, So.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, and they all keep coming.

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Speaker 2: So you've cleared them and they all keep coming back.

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right?

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Speaker 2: Did they all come back at the same time or

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Speaker 4: Well, she lives two hours away, so it's it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: Her right, yes, so you know, I bet well, so

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Speaker 2: highway to come see you. Yeah, yeah, So the cat

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Speaker 2: monitor on that vehicle runs fifty five miles an hour

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Speaker 2: and above. Okay, So if if she were to stay

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Speaker 2: I bet the throttle body code comes back to twenty

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Speaker 2: one to seventy three, comes back first before before the

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Speaker 2: cat fault. I think. And the point I'm trying to make,

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Speaker 2: David is I think you're dealing with two separate things,

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Speaker 2: not not to you can not to run them together.

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Speaker 2: Higher mileage on this jeep.

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Speaker 4: It's a little under one hundred Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot, not a lot, it's not a little.

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Speaker 2: So reasonable maintenance.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's only had it about six months, so before that.

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Speaker 5: I'd do right.

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Speaker 2: So that's the problem we you know, we've got somebody

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Speaker 2: is as valuable to me as anything when it comes

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Speaker 2: to buying a used vehicle today. So let's let's take

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Speaker 2: this one at a time. Let's talk about the twenty

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Speaker 2: one seventy three. All right, You know the twenty one

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Speaker 2: seventy three is an indication that we've got a fault

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Speaker 2: somewhere as a result of either carbon build up we

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Speaker 2: that twenty one seventy three. All right, We could have

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Speaker 2: problem around the throttle body itself. So if we were

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Speaker 2: vacuum leaks. All right, Now, does your scan tool show

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I've got a pretty decent Okay.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's bring up the map sensor keon engine off.

437
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: Depending upon where you are in Kentucky, you should see

438
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: around four and a half vaults on the map sensor reading.

439
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: All right. You know, if it's four point four, I'm

440
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: not upset. If it's four vaults, I'm wondering, right. If

441
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: it's five vaults, I'm wondering that tenth. I'll give that

442
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: to the accuracy the tool and the way it's interpreting it.

443
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: All right, with the engine running map sensor, vaulted should

444
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: be somewhere between a vault of volt and a half,

445
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: depending upon how it's actually running. And you could actually

446
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: hook up a vacuum gauge and you know what's actual

447
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: mechanical vacuum, and then how does that correlate to the

448
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: vault reading if the maps If the map sensor says

449
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,160
Speaker 2: two vaults, but it's got eighteen inches of manifold vacuum,

450
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: something's broke, all right, and you'll you'll see that and

451
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: understand that if you correlate the voltage that the scan

452
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: tool seeing versus the the actual vacuum that the engine has.

453
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: All right, all right, here's the here's here's where the

454
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: problem probably is. If this is map sensor related. Look

455
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: at the port in the side of the throttle body

456
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: where the where the vacuum host connects. Make sure it's

457
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: not Make sure it's not plugged, and for that matter,

458
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: make sure you've got proper signal. Make sure if you've

459
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: got eighteen inches of vacuum, you know at the port

460
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: that you've got eighteen inches of vacuum at the map sensor.

461
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 2: If that, if that makes sense, whatever the number is,

462
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: just make sure it's and make sure that that port

463
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: the nipple that the host clips on isn't restricted. Okay,

464
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: all right, and then let's open up the throttle body

465
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: and look for crud. Okay, all right, and do those things.

466
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: If you can do those things and call me, we

467
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: can talk next week.

468
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: Now. Also, I looked on Mitchell the DIY. They're saying

469
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: number one fix is the throttle body.

470
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you know it's But you

471
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: know what, I don't want to tell you that because

472
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: I want you to learn something. Someday I'm not going

473
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: to be here.

474
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: You know.

475
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: His dad once said to me when I was a

476
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: little kid, Someday I won't be there. You know he

477
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: was right, and uh, he says, I want to teach

478
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: you to think. So I'm just trying to teach you

479
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: to think. I'll tell you one, David, I had a

480
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: real quick I had a seven Lincoln this week with

481
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: a P zero one ninety three fuel pressure regulators, fuel

482
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: pressure sensor circuit fault. See, I have these problems too.

483
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm not in previous to this. It was an intermittent problem.

484
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: I can't replicate it right, I can't duplicate it to

485
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: save for the love of money. I got four wires.

486
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: I've got a five old feet, I've got a ground,

487
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: I've got a signal return for the fuel pressure feeding

488
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: the PCM, and I've got temperature sensor wire going back

489
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: telling it the temperature of the fuel. I looked at

490
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: a wiring diagram, all right, because I want to learn.

491
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: I want to just start throwing parts at it. Because

492
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: I've looked at the pattern failure data sheet and it says, yeah,

493
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: fuel pressure sensor is the most common. Okay, But how

494
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: did they get to that conclusion. Well, the five vault

495
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: feed for that sensor came off a splice one thirty six.

496
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Splice one thirty six now feeds five vaults to four

497
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: other sensors under the hood. So unless my wire's broken

498
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: between the splice and the sensor, kind of a rare possibility, right, Yeah,

499
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: So I took the five vaults feed off off the table.

500
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: The ground leg does the same thing. It goes to

501
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: its own splice and it grounds those other four sensors.

502
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: If I had a problem with the feed or the

503
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: ground you would think one or all of the other

504
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: four sensors should be reported to correct yeah, that leaves

505
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: me with two wires left, temperature sensor and the pressure

506
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: sensor wire. Right, Well, if I had a problem with

507
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: the temperature sensor, portion of the sensor or anything else,

508
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: the five vaultgrad shouldn't also get a temperature sensor fault.

509
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: I didn't, so I unplugged the sensor. When I unplugged

510
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: the sensor with the engine running, it went straight to

511
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: five vaults, which tells me, now the PCM is going

512
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: to a default value, and it's sitting there saying, hey,

513
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: if I don't see a good signal out of the PCM,

514
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to five vaults, and it sets the code.

515
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 2: So that means the code can set if the sensor

516
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: goes bad, if the sensor reports high short to voltage,

517
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: if the wiring harness reports a short to voltage, or

518
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: the PCM goes bad. If my choice was a bad

519
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: pressure sensor, a wiring harness, or a PCM, which one

520
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: do you want to change? But you see how? You

521
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: see how I got to the conclusion. Yeah, so I'm

522
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: not just randomly changing parts. There's some sort of diagnostic

523
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: thought process. So it was a two hundred dollars part.

524
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: It was easy to change so for under three hundred bucks,

525
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: there's my diagnosis. Because if it's not that, now I've

526
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: got to go chase wiring on a fifteen year old vehicle,

527
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: or I've got to try and find a PCM to

528
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: prove that. My next step would be I would take

529
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: that five volt or the sensor return from the sensor,

530
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: and overlay a wire in through the harness and feed

531
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: the PCM direct make my own section of wiring. But

532
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: I don't know that yet, but I do know for

533
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: under three hundred bucks, I was able to come to

534
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: some kind of diagnostic conclusion. I don't want you to

535
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: throw parts of cars. You're smarter than that.

536
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: All right, I don't have another question.

537
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead, I'll tell you what. Stay put, Yeah,

538
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: tell you what, David, stay put. Let me just real quick,

539
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: let me just pull over, take a pause. When we

540
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: come back, we'll finish up with you, and then we'll

541
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: go to Amish in Indiana. I'm running ady in the

542
00:27:48,480 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: car doctor. We'll be back right after this. Welcome back,

543
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: running the card doctor. Let's get back to David and Kentucky. David,

544
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: real quick, what's your second question?

545
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 4: Well, it relates to this on the scanner. I have.

546
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 4: It has a throttle test that shows the voltages for

547
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: I think the throw position sensor and the pedal sensor. Right,

548
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 4: and when you go through the suite, Well it does

549
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: it whether you're where the engine's on or all or whatever. Right,

550
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 4: that's the actuator test, yes, sir, and it the apps

551
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 4: number two, the one that starts off at around a

552
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: half a volt. It drops out every once in a

553
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: while and goes to zero.

554
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: Well that tells you something right there.

555
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: Sure, I wondered if is that really happening on the

556
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: car or is that like a communication thing between the

557
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: car and the scanner.

558
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: You think, well, why can't we take a digital vault

559
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: home meter or a labscope would be nice? And you know,

560
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: anytime I say digital vault home meter, I'm doing that

561
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 2: because I'm a assuming that how many people other than

562
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: a repair shop own a scope? So you know you

563
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: can substitute a scope in here anytime in the conversation.

564
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: But why can't we take a digital vault home meter,

565
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: put it in min max record mode right, because the

566
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: meter is faster than your eye, and do that actuator test.

567
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: If you can get to that point where the meter

568
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: drops out and shows a value below the initial start

569
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: point of whatever the voltage was there. You've just proven it,

570
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: haven't you.

571
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: I think so, it's just if that is true, what

572
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: how come it's not making our run bad? Because it

573
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: does it all the time while I'm sitting here checking it.

574
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Because good, well, because you're diagnosing. You're diagnosing a problem

575
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: but not looking at the symptom. You're looking for a

576
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: symptom to prove the problem. You've got the code. The

577
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: computer saw it faster. All right. Let me ask you

578
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: a question. Let's go back to my Lincoln real quick.

579
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: How come when I unplug the sensor, I read five

580
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: vaults on the signal return line where there was no

581
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: voltage because the sensor was unplugged. Where was the five

582
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: vaults on the scantool coming from?

583
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

584
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: The computer was generating it. The computer goes, the computer

585
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: goes into a default value, and when it sees five

586
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: vaults there, it now runs. It runs fuel pump pressure

587
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: on its last known good fixed point. So same thing

588
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: with you, right. The strategy is if the app fails,

589
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: they want to keep that car running. You got to

590
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: remember the last thing a car company wants is David's

591
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: daughter was stuck on the side of the road in

592
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Kentucky because the app failed. Right, the car goes into

593
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: limp mode. The car gets you home, but it doesn't

594
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: run much better than just getting you home. So sometimes

595
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, if it don't live by the code, you'll

596
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: die by the code. Start chasing the condition, what's causing it,

597
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: and verify the individual components. That's why I don't want

598
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: to just tell you put a throttle body on it,

599
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: because in this case, maybe it's not. Maybe it's an app.

600
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I was working. Well, I have it

601
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks, so I'll get to drive

602
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: it and see what it actually does.

603
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: All right, one problem at a time, one last thing

604
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: and then gonna one last thing and then i'na let

605
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: you go. Don't forget high level indicators. You got a

606
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: pencil and paper real.

607
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: Quick, yes, sir?

608
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: All right? You know when you turn the key on?

609
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: All right, what's what's barometric pressure? What's map sensor? Voltage reading?

610
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: All right? Now it might be one and the same

611
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: on that vehicle, but you could take a look at that.

612
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: Do those numbers make sense if the barrel reading is off?

613
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: And the easiest way, Hey, you're gonna get barometric pressure.

614
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: You're gonna go google it on your phone. Hey, barometric

615
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: pressure for where I am, and it'll tell you. Right,

616
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: you want to verify it that way. You want to

617
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: take a look at mass airflow reading. I'm not saying

618
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: it's got a bad mass airflow sensor on it. This

619
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: is this a mass airflow car and a map or

620
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: just a map?

621
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

622
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: I'll look so look if there's a because sometimes they're

623
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: wealth if there's a If there's a map on it,

624
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: take a look at the grahams per second at idle.

625
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: It should be within reasonable math. This is a two four,

626
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: you should see about two point four grams per second.

627
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: If this is a two oh, you'll see two oh

628
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: plus or minus. Right, take a look at mass airflow.

629
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Start to look at the things that you have. Last

630
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: and most important, take a look at relative throttle angle.

631
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Sitting there, keyon engine offer just that idle, idle warmed up?

632
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Where's the throttle angle? Does it change a whole bunch

633
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: after you clean it? Go back and look at it

634
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: all right, Get to know the individual. Get well, get

635
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: to know the individual sensors and components. Know what you're

636
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: trying to fix. If you understand how it works, you

637
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: can diagnose it a whole lot easier. And look at

638
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: the relationship between them. You know, cars are cars. Understanding

639
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: of cars like trying to understand your family. Who gets

640
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: along with who, who's talking to who, who's arguing? Right,

641
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: especially with the holidays coming up, that's not a bad analogy.

642
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: I should be on the radio. Look, I am so

643
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: all right, David, call me back. You know where to

644
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: find me. I gotta go. I'm up against the clock, brother,

645
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: all right, be well, I'm running a in the card doctor.

646
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this. Welcome back, running the

647
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: car doctor, Amish, Indiana. I'm so sorry to keep you

648
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: waiting so long. How can I help you quickly?

649
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 5: That's okay. I appreciate your services. And I have this

650
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: twenty twelve Toyota scene and just approach on hundred thousand miles.

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Speaker 5: It's all would lie with a very common three point

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Speaker 5: five two g fe engine. Right, it just started making

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00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: a noise like in a back like you know when

654
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 5: you're taking a flight jets really trying to like from

655
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Speaker 5: idle to the vamp up to take off.

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Speaker 2: It starts to noise.

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Speaker 5: And I did root out the bearings, the bearings not

658
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Speaker 5: making the noise. Now it comes to the famous risky

659
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: this coupler, right, do you have dealt with them?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Not an uncommon not an uncommon failure. I do

661
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: know it's been a while since I've done one, but

662
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: I recall about a year ago. They seem to come

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Speaker 2: in waves. I remember about within the last ten months

664
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Speaker 2: to a year. There's somewhere around the sixteen fifteen to

665
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred dollars mark out of Toyota. I would tell you, yeah,

666
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Speaker 2: they have updated part too.

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Speaker 5: And the reason I was confusing, like so I want

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Speaker 5: to keep this card, build the kids done, call age

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Speaker 5: and it's still about twelve more years and now it's

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Speaker 5: twenty twelve, and hoping that this would last that longer

671
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Speaker 5: with I'm maintaining like an only child, right, So wondering

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Speaker 5: should I go with the updated part so that that

673
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 5: doesn't have the updated parts?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, entire I would.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: My track record has been we've always used the Toyota piece,

677
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: and they seem to have a very good track record.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you get another ten years out of it,

679
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: you got ten years out of the first. There's no

680
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Speaker 2: reason to think you won't get ten out of the

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Speaker 2: second because I don't think it's that much cheaper for

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Speaker 2: the aftermarket sources. At least you know what you're getting

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Speaker 2: with the Toyota. Good luck to you, Misha. Appreciate the

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Speaker 2: call I'm running ending in the car doctor. The mechanics

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Speaker 2: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you