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Speaker 1: Fresh episode of fish Bites for you. Eli Sussman here

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Speaker 1: to fill you in on the Miami Marlins midway through

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Grapefruit League schedule. Let me put it

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Speaker 1: to you this way. We have this episode one next week,

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Speaker 1: one the week after that, and then the MLB regular

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Speaker 1: season will be here. So close. Can you smell it?

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Speaker 1: Can you smell it? We're getting there in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: For spring training coverage and season preview coverage, go to

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Speaker 1: fish stripes dot com. Nice website there, go check it out.

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Speaker 1: New stuff just about every single day on social media

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Speaker 1: at fish Stripes on Twitter, where we're closing in on

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Speaker 1: seven thousand followers Instagram, nearly one thousand followers on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, fish Stripes across the board help us get

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Speaker 1: to those milestones, believes. If you're not already part of

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Speaker 1: the community, we appreciate all of you for joining us

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Speaker 1: all dimensions of our coverage. Very recently, just a few

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Speaker 1: days ago, we recorded a new episode of Earning Their Stripes,

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Speaker 1: season two of our podcast show that is dedicated specifically

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Speaker 1: to minor leaguers and top prospects. It was Ethan Padski,

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Speaker 1: Spencer Morris, and myself a full hour discussing the latest

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Speaker 1: Moving forward, I'm not going to be on that many

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Speaker 1: episodes of the show. I'll be producing a lot of

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Speaker 1: those episodes and making sure to get the best quality

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Speaker 1: episode is a conversation between myself and Mark Simon of

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Speaker 1: Sports Info Solutions. He helped put together The Fielding Bible,

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Speaker 1: Volume five, which you can pre order now. Mark shares

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Speaker 1: a lot of great insight about baseball defense, including specific

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Speaker 1: run you through the latest Marlins related news. Friday saw

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Speaker 1: he's putting balls in play because it's been a variety

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Speaker 1: of reasons why he has struggled to put balls in

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Speaker 1: play before. Some of it has been just an inability

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Speaker 1: to recognize pitches. Others have had to do with his

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Speaker 1: mechanics and simply not being able to get his bat

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Speaker 1: through the zone as quickly as he would like. Others

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Speaker 1: have been the selectivity getting himself into poor counts, where

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Speaker 1: he has been forced to expand the zone in an

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Speaker 1: attempt to extend his played appearances once he's already behind

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Speaker 1: oh and two, one and two in the count. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of flaws in his game, and it's unrealistic

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Speaker 1: to think that he can address all of them. But

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Speaker 1: it's promising. It's promising, and it really begs the question

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Speaker 1: of whether or not he'll be on the opening day

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Speaker 1: roster or not. I think my current expectation is that

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Speaker 1: he won't simply because he has minor league options remaining,

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Speaker 1: whereas guys like Matt Joyce obviously doesn't. He's been brought

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Speaker 1: in mcnaris Sierra. Are the Marlins ready to turn the

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Speaker 1: page on Sierra? A guy that offers a lot in

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Speaker 1: different facets of the game. He's out of options and

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Speaker 1: needs to be taken care of. And I mean most obviously,

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Speaker 1: we've seen Jonathan vr play very consistently in center field.

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Speaker 1: That has bumped Brinson in most of these appearances to

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Speaker 1: play the corner spots as well, where the Marlins already

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Speaker 1: have Corey Dickerson and Joyce, and Garrett Cooper is a

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Speaker 1: possibility there, and Brian Anderson is a possibility in right field.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of options in the outfield, and

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Speaker 1: all those options have hit better in meaningful games than

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Speaker 1: Brinson has. Brinson is to this point one of the

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Speaker 1: worst hitters we've ever seen in Major League Baseball over

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Speaker 1: a significant sample, and nothing he can do the spring

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Speaker 1: will wipe that away. Who knows, if some other injuries

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Speaker 1: pop up, if the Marlins do make some unexp trades,

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Speaker 1: then there is a path for Brinson potentially to be

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Speaker 1: on the opening day roster. But we've already spoke about

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Speaker 1: over the course of the off season that you need

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Speaker 1: to adjust your expectations for Brinson and no matter what

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Speaker 1: he does this spring, you can't fully reverse that back. Okay,

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Speaker 1: interview time, Defensive run Saved, the rise of the infield shift,

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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. Take a listen to Mark

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Speaker 1: Simon of Sports Info Solutions joining me on the Fish

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Speaker 1: Stripes podcast for the first time. It's Mark Simon of

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Speaker 1: Sports Info Solutions. He's a co author of the brand

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Speaker 1: new The Fielding Bible, Volume five, covering all things related

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Speaker 1: to baseball defense. It has essays on all thirty MLB teams,

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Speaker 1: including our Miami Marlins, and that's why he's here. Mark

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Speaker 1: also wrote the Yankees Index Every Number Tells a Story

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen, and that was published several years ago.

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Speaker 1: And my father is a diehard Yankees fan. He has

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Speaker 1: that in his collection. So Mark, we're guaranteed to get

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Speaker 1: at least one listener to this conversation, hopefully more than that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me listen toward you're talking tomorrow

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Speaker 3: and Chams.

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Speaker 1: Well, most of our audience at fitz Stripp's is already

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Speaker 1: familiar with the metrics Defensive run Saved. That's involved in

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Speaker 1: a lot of our analysis on the website, so they're

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Speaker 1: already they have that level of literacy already, but they

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Speaker 1: might not know that Baseball Info Solutions is the one

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Speaker 1: that actually has that raw data and provides it to

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Speaker 1: those other mainstream outlets for them to read up on

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Speaker 1: fanografts and Baseball Reference. I don't know if they knew

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Speaker 1: that connection that it's coming straight from you guys, and

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Speaker 1: I mean from what you guys just announced it few

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Speaker 1: days ago. There's now going to be some changes into

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Speaker 1: how you actually gather all that data and put it

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Speaker 1: in its proper context. So could you start off with that,

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Speaker 1: just explaining how the version of DRS that we've already

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Speaker 1: come to know and love, how that's being upgraded moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and it's appreciated that people are familiar with the

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Speaker 3: statistics defensive events. Yes, it is available on stand grabs

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Speaker 3: in Baseball Reference. No, they didn't compile that. We did.

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Speaker 3: We have an army of people here that are tracking

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Speaker 3: games over the course of the season. Every play, every pitch,

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Speaker 3: every game is scrutinized in a level of detail, with

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Speaker 3: a level of advanced scorekeeping that I think you would

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Speaker 3: be impressed by hopefully if you saw it. So the

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Speaker 3: fundamental thing with the statistic is the idea of trying

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Speaker 3: to be able to establish who's good at turning batted

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Speaker 3: balls into apps. There are other things you have to

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Speaker 3: do at your position, turn double play, field buns, throughout, baserunners, whatever,

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Speaker 3: but your money is made on whether or not you

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Speaker 3: made the play. And for infielders that has changed and

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Speaker 3: evolved with defensive shifts, and where you play is now

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Speaker 3: much more dictated by a team person than it is

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Speaker 3: but you. So we wanted to come up with a

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Speaker 3: way with our defensive run stay statistic where we could

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Speaker 3: show that where we could assign a value to the

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Speaker 3: team for positioning you and then a value to you

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Speaker 3: for making the play or missing the ball, regardless whichever happened.

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Speaker 3: That's how we would track it. So we took our

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Speaker 3: existing defensive run stave, which kind of combined range and

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Speaker 3: positioning together, and we said we're gonna We were able

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Speaker 3: to come up with a way to split them up.

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Speaker 3: Technological advancements will allowed us to do that. So, for example,

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Speaker 3: if a guy is playing, if Miguel Rojas is playing

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Speaker 3: really deep in the short stuff third hole and there's

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Speaker 3: a ball hit up the middle, the team is losing

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Speaker 3: value for positioning him in a bad spot. He's not

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Speaker 3: losing any value though, for being unable to get to

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Speaker 3: that ball, whereas in the previous version of the stat

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Speaker 3: he may have been losing that value for not being

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Speaker 3: able to get to that ball. So we came up

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Speaker 3: with a methodology that allows us to separate positioning from

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Speaker 3: range and for throwing. So you get a value for

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Speaker 3: making the play, and then that is split up among

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Speaker 3: those three components. Did the team put you in the

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Speaker 3: right spot, did you get to the ball, and did

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Speaker 3: you complete the play once we did get to the ball,

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Speaker 3: did you either step on the base or throw the

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Speaker 3: ball across the field. So we did that for infielders specifically,

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Speaker 3: and what that allowed us to do was there was

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Speaker 3: a any time that there was a shift on we

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Speaker 3: were previously giving all of the credit in the shift

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Speaker 3: to the fielder, to the sorry to the team, meaning

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Speaker 3: that a ground ball right up in the middle where

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Speaker 3: the short stuff playing right behind second base and he

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Speaker 3: fields it, he wasn't getting that credit. The team was

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Speaker 3: getting the credit. He wasn't because we didn't know necessarily

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Speaker 3: where he started. Now, with technological advancements we know, so

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Speaker 3: now we can consider a lot more plays than we

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Speaker 3: were considering previously. Every play the infielder is involved in

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Speaker 3: is one that you can gain or lose value on.

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Speaker 3: So that's the big thing that we've done with our statistic. Again,

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Speaker 3: if there are people out there that are familiar with it,

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Speaker 3: that's great. If they aren't, if you google defensive run Saved,

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Speaker 3: you can get a pretty quick education, I think interesting.

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Speaker 1: And one player in particular that has rated very highly

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Speaker 1: under the existing defensive run Saved and who we imagine

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Speaker 1: will still be a positive contributor moving forward. That's Brian

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Speaker 1: Anderson who the past two years, it's pretty remarkable his

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Speaker 1: playing time has been split almost down the middle between

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Speaker 1: third base and right field, like over twelve hundred endings

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Speaker 1: at both positions, and particularly last year having a big breakout,

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Speaker 1: especially in the eyes of drs, at both positions to

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Speaker 1: fairly different positions that you don't necessarily see players splitting

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Speaker 1: their time between. In particular, can you give us some

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Speaker 1: insight into what it is specifically about his defense that

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Speaker 1: is saving runs, which attributes that he brings to the table,

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Speaker 1: because I think by the eye test that's the Marlins

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Speaker 1: fan community already picked up on that. There was a

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Speaker 1: building consensus that while this guy's incredible and the fact

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Speaker 1: that especially one of these positions being pretty foreign to them,

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Speaker 1: he's been able to pick up on it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: But if there's anything in particular the components that you

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Speaker 1: guys can break down within DRS, what is it specifically

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Speaker 1: that he's able to do well above the league average

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Speaker 1: at those positions.

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Speaker 3: Sure, he's a good one to talk about, and the

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Speaker 3: uniqueness of his game is certainly very interesting. I'll start

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Speaker 3: at third base, so combined between third base and rightfield

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Speaker 3: land year, he had thirteen defensive run saved. We consider

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Speaker 3: zero average. Five to ten is good, ten and above

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Speaker 3: is very good, twenty and above is excellent, and thirty

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Speaker 3: and above his other worldly, which is reserved for Matt

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Speaker 3: Chapman and players of that ilk Anderson was at thirteen.

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Speaker 3: That's good. That was an improvement over the zero that

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Speaker 3: he posted in twenty eighteen and the negative five of

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. What happened was well, I think the shifting,

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Speaker 3: the ability to detect player performance in shifts helped him.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at it split evenly as run saved. He

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Speaker 3: was as good in shifts as he was not in shifts,

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Speaker 3: and the man certainly moved guys around a lot last year.

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Speaker 3: He was good on balls hit down the line, He

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Speaker 3: was good at balls straight on. He was good at

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Speaker 3: turning the double play. And I'm looking too, it looks

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Speaker 3: like we have a system that we kind of sprinkle

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Speaker 3: out there publicly in article or in tweets called our

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Speaker 3: fielding play defensive misplay system, which looks at thirty different

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Speaker 3: categories of ways that you can make a good play,

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Speaker 3: Like you can die for a ball and make a

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Speaker 3: really nice stale of a ball and throw across the

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Speaker 3: grounds to get an out. You can do a quick

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Speaker 3: pivot on a double play, things of that swort. And

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Speaker 3: then we have sixty categories in mistakes, and that can

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Speaker 3: range from slipping and falling to overthrowing a cutoff man,

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Speaker 3: a number of different things that guys can do. Brian

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Speaker 3: Anderson at third base in twenty eighteen had six good

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Speaker 3: plays and twenty misplays. And think of that, like from

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Speaker 3: an eye tests perspective, that you saw him do essentially

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Speaker 3: three times as much bad as you saw him do great.

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Speaker 3: That turned around in twenty nineteen to wear his ratio,

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Speaker 3: which was six to twenty in twenty eighteen, was now

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Speaker 3: one to one. It was eleven. Good felt bad. So

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Speaker 3: he in a comparable number of innings almost exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: He cut his mistakes and he improved his really good players.

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Speaker 3: So I think you would feel good about his taking

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Speaker 3: to the position, and he improved considerably at that. So

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Speaker 3: that's your statistical ammunition. I guess to the stake. If

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Speaker 3: you want to go to someone and say I think

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Speaker 3: mat chap I think that Brian Anderson, I keep saying Chapman.

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Speaker 3: Brian Anderson is a good third basis rank field. His

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Speaker 3: strength is his arm. Last year, so we have a

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Speaker 3: way of evaluating base running where it's not just assists

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Speaker 3: that you made, but it did the guide try to

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Speaker 3: take an extra base on your arm and Brian Anderson's

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Speaker 3: kape he threw out seven out of thirty five who

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Speaker 3: were attempting to advance against him. That's a pretty good ratio.

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Speaker 4: Another unfield assists in there are two. I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: what the tired Dodger is staring in the right field,

633
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Speaker 4: like what just happened? Yeah, that's right. Brian anders are

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Speaker 4: one of the best arms in right field in baseball.

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Speaker 4: Watched the technique, I mean, the turn, the fire and

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Speaker 4: the accuracy. My goodness, one hop throw the Bernie at

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Speaker 4: third base and Turner is sliding into a tag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm sure you're familiar with the basic context

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Speaker 1: and that a couple of years ago, the Marlins had

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Speaker 1: a pretty great outfield and they had all that taken

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Speaker 1: care of internally with three star players. And after they

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Speaker 1: made those trades, it was really by necessity that they

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Speaker 1: moved Anderson into the outfield in the first place, once

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Speaker 1: they kind of came to terms with the fact that

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Speaker 1: the other outfielders they had in their organization were all

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Speaker 1: sub replacement level. And it's even I mean, this isn't

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Speaker 1: something that's very easy to track, but the fact that

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Speaker 1: Anderson never played a single ending of outfields in his

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Speaker 1: entire professional career, going back to the minor leagues, and

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Speaker 1: I don't even think in college either. You'd have to

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Speaker 1: go back to like over a decade for a time

652
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Speaker 1: when he was actually playing outfield in any significant games

653
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Speaker 1: in his life until the twenty eighteen season. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the fact that he already had that

655
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Speaker 1: arm to be at third base and how you're able

656
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Speaker 1: to apply that to a totally different position. But it

657
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Speaker 1: still boggles my mind, and it's one reason why it's

658
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Speaker 1: pretty popular, just because you have by necessity moves into

659
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Speaker 1: this position and the improvement that he made with gaining

660
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Speaker 1: this extra experience, and maybe it's possible that getting even

661
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Speaker 1: more added experience to that will make him one of

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Speaker 1: the better defensive right fielders in all of baseball. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: if he continues on that progression.

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Speaker 3: I guess sure you're making me want to talk to

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Speaker 3: him at some point. I guess I think he has

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Speaker 3: an impressive an impressive set of skills that allows him

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Speaker 3: to do that, and clearly he showed in that sample

668
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Speaker 3: of games at length. We'll see if he can keep

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Speaker 3: it consistent that he was able to pick up a

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Speaker 3: new position. Good for him, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Another outfielder, hopefully for the twenty twenty season for

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Speaker 1: the Marlins, is going to be Lewis Brinton, who, as usual,

673
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Speaker 1: is doing excellent in spring training. If you just look

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Speaker 1: at his spring training offensive performance, he's one of the

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Speaker 1: better players in all of baseball. But the past couple

676
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Speaker 1: of years offensively, that has not translated at all to

677
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Speaker 1: the regular season, it's gotten so extreme to the point

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Speaker 1: that last year he was sent down to Triple A.

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Speaker 1: He came back later in the year and continued to struggle.

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Speaker 1: But of course, the silver lining to it, aside from

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Speaker 1: some of the intangibles that he brings and the fact

682
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Speaker 1: that he's only twenty five years old, is that he's

683
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Speaker 1: been able to at least hold his own in center field.

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Speaker 1: And it's not easy to find a guy that has

685
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Speaker 1: a well rounded defensive skill set in centerfield and can

686
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Speaker 1: make it work there. As things currently project for the

687
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: unlike the last couple of years, he's not being handed

688
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: that every day center fielder job, and again it's because

689
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: these offensive numbers for him are some of the worst

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Speaker 1: in all of baseball. So my question to you is

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Speaker 1: whether you think there's a certain break even point defensively,

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Speaker 1: If someone like Brinson, who has been so far below

693
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Speaker 1: replacement level at the plate and on the basis and

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Speaker 1: it's giving so much value, there is there a certain

695
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Speaker 1: threshold in defensive run saved that he could provide to

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Speaker 1: the team defensively that would kind of justify him having

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Speaker 1: any sort of regular role, because aside from the spring

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Speaker 1: training numbers, which didn't hold up at all the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. There's not really reason to be encouraged

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Speaker 1: about what he does at the plate. So is there

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Speaker 1: what is as best you could quantify it? How can

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Speaker 1: someone that is literally just a glove only type of

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Speaker 1: player justify having a regular role on a major league team?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think he better be better defensively. He's essentially grating

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Speaker 3: out his average right now. If you're an average defender

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Speaker 3: and a poor hitter, you're not going to play for

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Speaker 3: the long term. I would say you would want someone

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Speaker 3: like that to be like a plus ten at least

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Speaker 3: to justify like in there on comparison, like the early

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Speaker 3: days of Buckston's career in Minnesota, when he wasn't hitting

711
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Speaker 3: at least they knew that if he put him out there,

712
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Speaker 3: he was going to save them a lot of runs.

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Speaker 3: That's that's and I guess another example Kermeyer right now

714
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Speaker 3: in Tampa Bay. Kevin Kiermeyer isn't hitting at all, but

715
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Speaker 3: you put him out there because the guy has an

716
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Speaker 3: unbelievable love. There's there isn't necessarily the incentive with Brinson

717
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Speaker 3: to put him out there at this point until he

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Speaker 3: shows something better on either of the offensive or defensiven right.

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Speaker 1: Well, one other young player that we're a little bit

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Speaker 1: more encouraged about down here is Jorge al Farrow because

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Speaker 1: he was more or less the league average hitter and

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Speaker 1: has he's at a position of need with the Marlins

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Speaker 1: at catcher. They of course they acquired Jory al Farrow

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Speaker 1: from the Phillies and the JT. Real Muto trade, And

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Speaker 1: outside of DRS, if you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: other measurables that real Muto and Alfaro have as athletes,

727
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Speaker 1: in terms of the sprint speed that they run with,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of batted ball quality. It's led

729
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Speaker 1: some people to dream that if everything goes right with Alfaro,

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Speaker 1: you give the some semblance of the overall player that

731
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Speaker 1: real Muto was and obviously has gone on to be

732
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Speaker 1: since the trade. So what I'm wondering is, I know,

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Speaker 1: catcher defense is even probably more complicated than most other

734
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Speaker 1: positions to parse out and try to break down what

735
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Speaker 1: exactly makes it all work. And Alfaro in particular, he

736
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: really stands out for his arm strength, but I know

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Speaker 1: some of the framing metrics for him have been a

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Speaker 1: little bit mixed, and even the other factors that go

739
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Speaker 1: into the equation and that I'm sure you could testify to.

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Speaker 1: What I'm curious is if you do like pick it

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Speaker 1: apart between Jorge al Faro and JT. Real Muto, the

742
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Speaker 1: old Marns catcher that people were a customed to and

743
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Speaker 1: the one that they have at least for the short

744
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Speaker 1: term foreseeable future. What are how would those guys compare?

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Speaker 1: What are some things that you feel Alfaro still has

746
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Speaker 1: to improve upon to become a plus defensive catcher and

747
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: what are his assets already?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Well, I think you have to take into account

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Speaker 3: because that gto were Real moved to improved considerably on

750
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Speaker 3: the defensive side. When he went from Florida to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: They worked with him considerably on pitch framing and he

752
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Speaker 3: got better at that and eliminated what was the minuts

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00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: in his game. In terms of Alfaro, Alfaro has come

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Speaker 3: out lived two years slightly above average in terms of framing.

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Speaker 3: Our catcher metrics incorporate a bunch of different things, prominent

756
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Speaker 3: among them pitch framing, pitch blocking, bunt defense, soul and

757
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 3: bases and had you do on balls that were hitting

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00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: to the plate, and then one or two other things

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Speaker 3: I'm going to simplify this. I'll just focus on those

760
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Speaker 3: still in bases deterrence. He's been good, like he's a

761
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Speaker 3: little above average. There aren't that many, necessarily that many

762
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Speaker 3: stile in basisims these days, but he cut down a

763
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: fair percentage of guys and there were not necessarily an

764
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Speaker 3: inordinate amount of opportunities against him. The area in which

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Speaker 3: his game is not good, and I guess he's work

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Speaker 3: is pitch blocking. Two years ago, he was among the

767
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Speaker 3: worst in baseball in our pitch blocking metrics. Last year

768
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: he got a little bit better, but was still negative.

769
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Speaker 3: If he had been positive in that, he would have

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00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: had a positive defensive value overall. The catcher he is,

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Speaker 3: it's good to be slightly good at a lot of

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00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: different things. He's slightly good at pitch framing, he's slightly

773
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Speaker 3: good at steels, slightly good at bunts. He's just not

774
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Speaker 3: good at pitch blocking. And that wouldn't necessarily impact a

775
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: lot of guys unless you were really at the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the list, and in parts of his career he's

777
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Speaker 3: been really at the bottom of the list. And for us,

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Speaker 3: the way that we do it is like, all right,

779
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: there's a guy on base pitch in the jerk. If

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00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: he blocked it, he gets a fraction of a value.

781
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: If he missed it, and the base runner in advanced

782
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Speaker 3: he loses value. And over the course of the season

783
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: there are hundreds and hundreds of block and then there

784
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: are a fews that slipped by, and a big catcher

785
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: will have a percentage of like ninety three percent blocking,

786
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: and the band catchers will be in the eighties. And

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Speaker 3: I believed two years ago that he was in the

788
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Speaker 3: eighties and boosted that a little bit, but not enough

789
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: to be a valuable guy in the defensive end. Whereas

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Speaker 3: real Mudo, as I mentioned, better at framing last year

791
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Speaker 3: and much better as sol in bas deterrence than just

792
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 3: about anyone in baseball last season. That was a big

793
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: boon to his game, and he was good at blocking

794
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: pitches for really only the second time in his career

795
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Speaker 3: that he contributed significant value to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we missed that guy. I mean people to

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00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: move on and turn the page on it, but it's

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Speaker 1: really pretty irreplaceable. So we're speaking with Mark Simon here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pivot away from the individuals to a

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00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: team wide trend that I think a lot of people

801
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: have been able to notice just by watching Marlins games,

802
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Speaker 1: But some of the stats I've seen are pretty astounding

803
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: about how they've been on this really steady progression of

804
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: increasing how often they employ infield shifts going back several years.

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00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: And it's trying to find the source of it and

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00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: the significance of the movement has been difficult for me

807
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: because it comes right in the middle of a time

808
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: where the entire organization turned over at the very top level.

809
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: They changed ownership, they changed front office, and I mean

810
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: they did make a great emphasis on bringing in more

811
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: analytically minded people into the front office. But this is

812
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: similarly a trend that even started before before all those

813
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: changes took place. Could you try to give it put

814
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: in perspective, how how their shifting frequency has changed over

815
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Speaker 1: the last few years, including where was this past year?

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00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, that's in the book as a matter

817
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: of fact, in some level of detail. But I guess

818
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: play spoiler on that. If you remember the first two

819
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: series of the season, they kind of shifted like crazy.

820
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Speaker 3: They were the most aggressive team in baseball doing it,

821
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Speaker 3: and it was clear that there was some sort of directive, Hey,

822
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: let's do this more. Let's be active in this, but yeah,

823
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: if you look like it's funny. In the NL East,

824
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: there aren't as many hitters that seem to demand it

825
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: as there are in other divisions. All of the teams

826
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Speaker 3: in the NALY East other than the Marlins, are like

827
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Speaker 3: bottom ten in terms of frequency of using shifts, whereas

828
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 3: the Marlins were fifth last year in overall usage. They

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Speaker 3: doubled their use twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, and they

830
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: doubled their use to twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. They

831
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: have gone from being I guess what we call non

832
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: users to super users. And I think when you are

833
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: a struggling team, when you are looking for any little

834
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: edge you can get, any little legal advantage that you

835
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: can make, that you will do things on the defensive

836
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: end to try to increase your percentages of getting out.

837
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: And I guess for them that they that they want

838
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: that to happen, it doesn't necessarily happen. You also have

839
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: to remember you have to have the players that can

840
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: do it, and they don't necessarily have the best combination

841
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: of guys out there at this point that can make

842
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: those kind of plays.

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00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: One other specific change that's coming to Marlins Park this

844
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: year is the playing surface that they're changing for the

845
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: first time since they opened the new building. They have

846
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: had it now eight years in Marlins Park, and they

847
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of difficulty maintaining their natural grass. It

848
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: kept ripping up in different places and growing in inconsistently,

849
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: and the whole look of it wasn't up to par.

850
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Speaker 1: So like the organization made this decision this offseason to

851
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: finally install artificial turf, and it was inspired, they say,

852
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: by the surface being used in Arizona. And of course

853
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: overall there's only a handful of teams across baseball that

854
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: still play on some type of artificial surface. What sort

855
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: of data do you have on the way that artificial

856
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: surface affects players. I mean, maybe it depends on a

857
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: case by case basis, or it would be certain positions

858
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: more than others. And I know there are several different

859
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Speaker 1: products as well, Like this surface isn't necessarily the same

860
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Speaker 1: type that they're using in Toronto or in Tampa Bay,

861
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: but it's still somewhat of a change. And to understand

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Speaker 1: the motivation for the team to make that change in

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Speaker 1: the first place. Yeah, is there any sort of significance

864
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Speaker 1: that do you see in the way that defenses perform

865
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Speaker 1: when they play on artificial versus natural grass.

866
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Speaker 3: We haven't done that study. I would be interested to

867
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Speaker 3: see how that comes out. I think the thing that

868
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Speaker 3: will happen that I guess Miguel Rojas becomes the test

869
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Speaker 3: case for this. If the hops are truer, it should

870
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Speaker 3: be easier in theory for the shortstop to make plays.

871
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: But the ball travels faster. So is that a disadvantage

872
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: to Rojas for you not having me put speed to

873
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: make a play or quickness I guess to make a play,

874
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: or is he going to benefit from the nice true hops?

875
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Speaker 3: And you might have a better understanding of that than

876
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Speaker 3: I would at this point. As I said, I don't know.

877
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Speaker 3: We haven't done a study on that, but that would

878
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Speaker 3: be the thing that I would be looking at. Is

879
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Speaker 3: your shortstop and your second basement able to handle the

880
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Speaker 3: speed of balls that are going to hit a little

881
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: bit harder.

882
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I have one more question that hopefully won't

883
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: stump you too badly, but it was. It's a curiosity

884
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: for me because right a time in this Marlins rebuild

885
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: where they have some interesting young players on their active

886
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: roster already, but Frankly, some of the ones with the

887
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: highest ceiling to actually be star players are still in

888
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: the higher levels of the minor leagues. A few of them,

889
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: in particular, are really well regarded for their gloves, such

890
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: as a shortstop named Jazz Chisholm, the first baseman Leywan Diez.

891
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: These are all guys that have like an estimated time

892
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: of arrival sometime within the next year, either at the

893
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty or early twenty twenty one, and

894
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: with defensive runs save. That's something that Sports Info Solutions

895
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: records during major league games, not necessarily in any of

896
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: these minor league baseball games. So we do we do,

897
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: oh you do?

898
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Speaker 3: We have people that are tracking games Triple A and

899
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: Double A Japan, Korea and I think Kayai as well.

900
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: We don't necessarily yet every game, but we get most

901
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 3: and I'm looking you, said Judge Chissel. So I went

902
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: to his page on our internal site to see if

903
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: there was anything there. It's hard, Like the conversions are

904
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: hard because we're judging them against a major league standard.

905
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: So most minor leaguers come out poorly against a major

906
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: league standard. He comes out a little below average in

907
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Speaker 3: the fifty seven games that we tracked five hundred roughly

908
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: five hundred innings. Looks like he wasn't necessarily turning the

909
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: double play at a high rate. But that's a small

910
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: sample and that's the issue for him, And I don't

911
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: know if this is an issue of how the team

912
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: was playing him or if it's his issue. Ball hit

913
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Speaker 3: in the shortstop sur base hole. He was not rating

914
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: while turning those into apps. So there's like it's kind

915
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: of like a teaser for you on jazz chism. He

916
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: might come up and he might be great. I can

917
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: tell you that, like Matt Chapman had really good minor

918
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: league numbers for defensive run saved. Scott Kingry of the

919
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: Phillies had really good numbers for minor league for defensive

920
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 3: run saved. We haven't necessarily seen it from him yet,

921
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: so hard to tell if the numbers are meaningful. But

922
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: there's your brief analysis on jazz Chism. I would say,

923
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: take that and then read what Keith Law or Eric

924
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: Longenhagen or some of the other prospects people say and

925
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: maybe put them together. Maybe there's something there. Right.

926
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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the default that fans have to go

927
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Speaker 1: with if they don't have this proprietary information. Is trusting

928
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the tool grades that evaluators give out, trust their eyes,

929
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Speaker 1: trust the very traditional awards. The Marlins actually had a

930
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: couple of players in their system when Minor league gold

931
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: Gloves last year. But it's I assume there's some sort

932
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: of correlation between, of course, performing well in the eyes

933
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Speaker 1: of your peers and in basic stats at the minor

934
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Speaker 1: league level and having that translate to the majors. But yeah,

935
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Speaker 1: it'd be great to get our hands on on the

936
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Speaker 1: minor league DRS numbers just to be sure. I bet

937
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Speaker 1: that correlation is even stronger than the typical scouting grades

938
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Speaker 1: and such.

939
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Speaker 3: Sure, I would lean yes on that. I don't necessarily

940
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: have that to tell you, like that's a fact, right,

941
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Speaker 3: but I think that I think that we do a

942
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Speaker 3: good job of tracking that kind of thing perfect.

943
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Speaker 1: Well, I've had a chance ready to peak at the

944
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Speaker 1: Fielding Bible, and not just the marl and stuff, the

945
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: other teams that I've found really compelling. Some of the

946
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Speaker 1: interviews you've had in there as well, we're very revealing.

947
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Could you just let our audience know where they can

948
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: get their own copy of this?

949
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: Sure? As a book is for sale at Amazon, Barnes

950
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: and Noble. A publisher is accessports dot com. If you

951
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 3: can't get it at one of those other places, certainly

952
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: go to accessports dot com. You can also check out

953
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Speaker 3: bible dot com for updated defensive numbers, maybe a little

954
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: bit more detailed than what's available at Fangrafts and Baseball Reference,

955
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: where our data exists as well. Uh and you can

956
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: check out sports Infosolutions dot com if you want to

957
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: read more about our company. And then lastly, our Twitter

958
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: is sports Info Underscore s I S. Check it out.

959
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: We put a lot of good numbers up there.

960
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Speaker 1: Perfect. Thanks a lot for your time, Mark and good

961
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Speaker 1: luck on this long tour. I know I'm not the

962
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Speaker 1: first one that you've done inference with, and I'm sure

963
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Speaker 1: I'm not the last one, but it's it's been great

964
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Speaker 1: to get your insight on all this.

965
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Speaker 3: Absolutely happy to talk to you.