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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we proudly shine a light on the

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Speaker 1: extraordinary history of black cowgirls, who have fiercely defied societal norms,

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Speaker 1: leaving an enduring mark on history and inspiring generations to come.

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Speaker 1: From the untamed wild wild West to the present day.

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Speaker 1: Their remarkable journeys and on wavering spirit continue to captivate

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Speaker 1: our hearts. But the legacy of black cowgirls is not

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Speaker 1: confined to the pages of history books. Today, we have

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Speaker 1: the privilege of hosting a guest who embodies the timeless

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Speaker 1: tradition and is actively shaping the narrative of black how

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Speaker 1: girls in the equestrian world. Join us as my guest

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Speaker 1: shares her personal stories, offering profound insights into her experiences, triumphs,

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Speaker 1: and the unique challenges she has faced as a calgirl

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Speaker 1: of color. So to my guests, how you feeling? How

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Speaker 1: you doing? Hey? After the hour that we just spent

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Speaker 1: trouble sheeted, I'm surprised that I'm still awake. Listen. We

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Speaker 1: literally just spent like an hour trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: My guess is about to go to sleep. She got

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Speaker 1: her bonnet all blanket. I'm like uh over here yawning,

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Speaker 1: but no, seriously, I have been stalking our guests for like,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been months. I think at this point it

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Speaker 1: has been months. We're in August. I think this started

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Speaker 1: in May. Yes, I had shared my Instagram page that

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Speaker 1: we were going to have a calgirl because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people wanted to know more about the history of colgirls.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm a finalist a calgirl. I found one,

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Speaker 1: so I was just like, yo, she don't want to

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Speaker 1: be on the show, because then I never heard from her.

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Speaker 1: But then here we are, y'all. So I'm super exasy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so I'm really excited to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Because the stories of black cowgirls and cowboys are often

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Speaker 1: overlooked and underrepresentative. Why do you think black cowgirls and

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Speaker 1: cowboys are not recognized in the history of equestrians documentation?

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Speaker 1: I think that there was not enough documentation when certain

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Speaker 1: events happened, you know, the Kentucky Derby for example. Facts fact,

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Speaker 1: they say, okay, there was there was. It started out

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Speaker 1: with black jockeys, okay, And we have like more than uh,

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Speaker 1: we have more than like twenty names, But where are

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Speaker 1: all the pictures, you know, like for the other people

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Speaker 1: And a lot of it is men. H I know

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Speaker 1: this is early on me talking about it, but I

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Speaker 1: have a coloring book and I made a coloring book

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Speaker 1: specifically because the coloring book I found that was about

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Speaker 1: like black cowboys, black questrians, black horse people. It didn't

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Speaker 1: even mention women. So it didn't mention any women at all,

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Speaker 1: no black women. So trying to find women in this

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Speaker 1: history that is so hard. Yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was like documentation and because it was women and

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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well you're a woman, Like what do

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Speaker 1: you know about training horses? Where you know about doing

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Speaker 1: whatever with horses or women weren't really there. So I

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Speaker 1: really think it boils down to documentation, right, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm from the South. I was raised in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: so niggas loved going to the Kentucky Derby. So when

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Speaker 1: I was preparing for our conversation, because I wanted to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, just learn more about the history. And the

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Speaker 1: first Kentucky Derby was one by black jockey Oliver Lewis.

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Speaker 1: And then also you make a good point because you

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Speaker 1: first twenty derbys were one by black jockeys, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: they don't teach us that, no, And I have a

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Speaker 1: book on Oliver Lewis, But but yeah, where are where

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Speaker 1: they have better documentation of horse bloodlines than they do

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Speaker 1: but they have been documenting horse stuff, pedigrees and all

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Speaker 1: of that, right, But why they document this other stuff?

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Speaker 1: You know? And it really sucks that racism in general sucks.

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Speaker 1: It just really sucks to me that somebody could let like,

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Speaker 1: total number is very, very close to sixty. But it's

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Speaker 1: started going Instagram live like a lot while I'm doing

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Speaker 1: Once I realized that you drive from your house to

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Speaker 1: there's an impact, the coat will flatten, so then it's

425
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: not really protecting because it'll be loose. So my thinking is,

426
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: if I push my afro into my helmet intercact, what

427
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: happens to my hair? Is my hair flatten or it

428
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: is her cushion. You know what I'm saying. Well I'll survive. Yeah,

429
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: they gonna survive. So I would like for them to

430
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: put an afro on the test dummy and see what happened. Right,

431
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: Put some micro not nobody wear microbrais nomore, Put some

432
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: braids on that on the test dummy and see what happens.

433
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Because we don't know, like nobody knows. Damn. I used

434
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: to love me some micro braids we did, had them

435
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: faithfully sitting in the salona all day. No. I used

436
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: to go to my homegirl house in the hood. Her

437
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: name was Stephanica, and she said to be doing my

438
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: hair from sun up to sundown. Yo, all day, just

439
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: sitting there in your hair done right. Another good point

440
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: that you made was that all body types and disabilities

441
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: are not given the same space to drive in an

442
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: equestrian world, which I thought was fucked up. It really is,

443
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: because you know, there are people always I hate those

444
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: comments when people are commenting on people's weights and they're

445
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: like that you're too big to be on that horse.

446
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: And it's like, first of all, if anybody was too

447
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: big to be on any horse, that horse is gonna

448
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: let you know, Oh, either it's on just collapse, its

449
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: legs is gonna buckle up up under it, It's gonna buck.

450
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Try to buck like I feel like the horse will

451
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: let you know. Also, everybody isn't always too big for

452
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: the horse. The horse might be trained, you know. I mean,

453
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: horses are athletic. Might you know they might have some

454
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: sort of exercise regimen where they keep up with that

455
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: horse and make it comfortable. So I think when situations

456
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: like that happen, they just want a fat shame and

457
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: call people names and stuff like that. And then with

458
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: disabilities in general, I know, our farm is not accessible

459
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: to anybody that's in a wheelchair. Not all people who

460
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: are in a wheelchair are like paralyzed and stuff like that,

461
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: Like we don't always know like why they're in a wheelchair.

462
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: But I've been at therapeutic riding centers where they had

463
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: like certain ramps so that people could get on, But again,

464
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: those are therapeutic riding centers. Not everybody that's in a

465
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: wheelchair needs that. So it's just like thinking about when

466
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: I go to different farms, if somebody in a wheelchair

467
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: were to come here at the front of our barn,

468
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: like they were literally have to, we would have to

469
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: give them like a detour to get into the barn

470
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: because at the front of our barn it's rained so

471
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: much it's created a d And then another thing with

472
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: disabilities is people just are not super considerate, yeah, you know,

473
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: because not all disabilities can be seen and not all

474
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: people feel like super comfortable, you know, especially in this

475
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: ghetto ass world and talking about it so it all,

476
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: it all depends, but I think it's so unfortunate. And

477
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: even people who want to be around but maybe they

478
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: have anxiety. But yeah, sometimes we aren't super considerate because

479
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I know, like with me, I'll be in my own world.

480
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I try not to deal with adults too much. I

481
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: love working with kids. I don't have too much against adults.

482
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes niggas is annoying. You guys said it for you,

483
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: So sometimes they're so afraid and I'm like, this is

484
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: not gonna do nothing to you. And if it was, like,

485
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: why would I put myself in that situation so you

486
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: can sue me? I'm not gonna lie. I went to

487
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Closeta Rica, and we did a

488
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: trail with the horses. I had like this little white

489
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: little pony and I ain't gonna lie. She was very

490
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: strong because I was so nervous, and we had like

491
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: that we had like we had to like hike up

492
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: a mountain or something. Oh, when I tell you, I

493
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: was proud. I was like, cocaine, please do not drop me. No.

494
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: First of all, hiking up any mountain and you don't

495
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: ride horses on their regular now, that's scary. The girl

496
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: when I tell you, I was freaking out. I had

497
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: named her Cocaine. I was like, Cocaine. Please. I was like, please,

498
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: girl can and she was going up the mountain. I

499
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 1: was like, the girl like because I can feel her.

500
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: And horses are very powerful, they very animals. So I

501
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: was like, girl, you're not Gonnachristopher reads me like, oh

502
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: my god. And you know what, I didn't even know

503
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: who that was until people started telling me like they

504
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: were afraid of horses because of what happened to him. Yeah,

505
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: horse walks super mountain up you. So I had to

506
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: google and I was like, oh my gosh. It's like,

507
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Yeah, he went round like and the

508
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: horse did something knocked him mom, and he broke his neck.

509
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: He's paralyzed. Yeah, And that's the other thing horses. It

510
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: is dangerous to being around horses. And that's another part

511
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: of why I really am like, Okay, creating that safe

512
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and positive environment, you need the proper education. Yeah, because

513
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: it's not fair. For it's not fair, and I say

514
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: this in a lot of my videos. It's not fair

515
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: for people to reach out to me and say they

516
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: wished I lived closer to them, to say they wish

517
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: they lived closer to me, because they literally cannot find

518
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: anywhere that's not racist so that they can take their

519
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: kids to learn about horses. And that sucks because it's like,

520
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: no parent wants to put their kid in a situation

521
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: where they might not be taken seriously and they might

522
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: not be looked after like the other kids. Yeah, because

523
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: a horse could knock you out with its head, like

524
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: mm hm. That's why I was like, come on, cocaine,

525
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Like I got things to do, like getting up this mountain,

526
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: getting this mountain, baby girl. I also came across this

527
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: question that you're constantly asked about on the reasons why

528
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: you put black in front of cowgirl all the time,

529
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: and I just be like, it is because when they say,

530
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: don't read the comments, and I get they're reading the comments.

531
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: That's what normally, that's what the comments are. Like a

532
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: lot of times it is people saying, oh, that's wonderful news,

533
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: and I'm specifically talking about articles that came out and

534
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: they're like the black cowgirl. But sometimes there are oh

535
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, I remember when Adobe, I just don't went

536
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Adobe and they were like, why do you have to

537
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: say the black cowgirl? Why can't you just say cowgirl?

538
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: First of all, your only comment to make that comment,

539
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: like you could have been like, oh, that's amazing what

540
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: she's doing. But your only comment is to say that,

541
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: like to say anything, Yeah, you didn't have to say

542
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: you just kept scrolling. So it's so interesting and so

543
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: I've explained it, and I'm just like, y'all, I'm black, right,

544
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: we can see that. I don't see you better see

545
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: my color because like, no, that's not what we're gonna do,

546
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: because I think my black is beautiful. Come on, it's

547
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: like I'm black. And then I didn't want to use

548
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: the word equestrian. Have you heard five year olds, six

549
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: year olds, seven year olds try to pronounce certain words.

550
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want to use black equestrians. So I just

551
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: kept it with simple black cowgirl, super simple. Because when

552
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I showed up, because I was doing a lot of

553
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: readings at schools, readings about black cowboys, and I would

554
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: dress up like now, that's when I would wear like

555
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: a cowgirl hat and I would dress up in full

556
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: cowgoy that yeah, that cowgirl hats like that maybe the

557
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: way she rolls, I'm telling you, I'll be wearing a

558
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: helmet I'm in my bondit at the farm, right I

559
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: had something anyway, they would be like, oh, it's a cowgirl.

560
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: So are there any particular cowgirls like cowboys who inspire

561
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: you or who you look up to that I look

562
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: up to you. That's a great question, like who's your

563
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: go to calgirl cowboy? Oh my goodness, please forgive me

564
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: in advance if I pronounce her name wrong. The actor

565
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: Pam Grier her last name Greer. Yes, I didn't know that.

566
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: And she has a background in like veterinarian science and

567
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: all of this all stuff. So when I found that out,

568
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, she's just she's awesome and she's

569
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: bad too, so that's what's up. Yes, And then Sola

570
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Dad O'Brien. She rides English, but I just think that

571
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: meant English. So there's there's English and there's Western. Western

572
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: is what you see in like the Cowboy movies. They

573
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: have a settle that has like a horn on it.

574
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: It's a heavier it looks it looks hairy, heavier. Well,

575
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: it is a heavier saddle. And then the English shadow

576
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have a horn on it, and it's totally different,

577
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: like the stirrups are different. The way the saddles are made.

578
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: It's totally it's two different styles of m HM. So

579
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: so that our brand rides English and so it's like

580
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: these ladies are in they're not thirties and they're older

581
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: women riding horses, and I just think that it's so

582
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: amazing because a lot of times can be cool. Yeah,

583
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: when we were on trail rides, there were not a

584
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: lot of women riding, right, Like my cousin rode horses,

585
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: and my dad's friend his daughter rode horses, and it

586
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, were the only girls out here, Like it

587
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: might be some girls like every now and then, but

588
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: it was mainly men. So to see riding, I think

589
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty dope. But as far as like anybody else's

590
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't really have like that many role models like

591
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: that when it comes to this horse stuff. Like I'm

592
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: inspired when I see, you know, on social media people

593
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: posting and and continuing their education and stuff. And then

594
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: and my actual real life, Like I just love being

595
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: around our trail ride atmosphere because I mean I grew

596
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: up in it, you know, like that's always the thing

597
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, Like kids probably wanted to go

598
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: to the movies or go to the skating rink or something.

599
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: I was ready to go to the trail ride, to

600
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: be at the trail ride with my horses, even though

601
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: I was super shy, but I just always just felt

602
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: comfortable just doing that. Right, So, do you engage with

603
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: or connect with the other cowgirls within the community. Yeah,

604
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: And it's wild because we are all spread out, Yeah,

605
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: like y'all all over the place. Yeah. Some of the

606
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: ladies I know on our trail rod circuit who do

607
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: amazing work in the community, they like maybe like an

608
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: hour or so away from me. So it's not like

609
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: anybody is really in my backyard. Like it's like I'm here,

610
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: somebody's over there. There's a girl out in Charlotte that's

611
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: doing some stuff. That's like to hours have changed for me.

612
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: So nobody is like really right here where we could

613
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: be like, hey, let's meet up, Like I don't have

614
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: that right now, right right, And I mean, it is

615
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: what it is. But I guess it's also a good

616
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: thing because there's representation in different places in North k

617
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: And then I know a lot of my support and

618
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: it's so odd, like I don't know why comes from California. Really, Yes,

619
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: and I'm just like you are so far away. Yeah,

620
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: so it is, you know, like weighing on me when

621
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, I really need some help and reading

622
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: comments and people are like I would love to help,

623
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: but I live in Michigan. I live in California. Yeah.

624
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I was just about to answer you that, because when

625
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: it comes to the ranch and all of these animals

626
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: you have, you're the only one that's taking care of them.

627
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: Right up, it's me. So what does like a typical

628
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: day look like? Because that's a lot. Oh, it is

629
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot. So Okay, I get up in the morning,

630
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: I go, what's time? You wake up? Real quick? By

631
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: either five or six, Between between five and seven, I'm

632
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: out the door most days, probably six o'clock I'm out

633
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: the door. So I get up and I go and

634
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: feed everybody that's in the stalls in the barn. So

635
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: there's six horses that are in the stalls daily. They

636
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: do get turned out. I just I have a horse,

637
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: Rainbow and Peaches. Peaches is a miniature horse. So I'll

638
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: just let them out and let them eat grass around

639
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: the farm and then bring them back in and let

640
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: man man he's a he's a miniature horse. But he's

641
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: a stud, so him and Peaches can't be out at

642
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: the same time. So I'll let him out. And why not, Yes,

643
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't want a baby. And she's a baby. She's

644
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: only a baby, she's only nine months. Not the horses

645
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: south side, he might try it, but so yeah, I

646
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: feed the horses that are in the barn, to feed

647
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: the goats and the sheep. Sweep the barn out. Our

648
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: barn is never long, so sweep that entire out. You

649
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: have a big ass barn too, Yes, it is huge.

650
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: And then give everybody water. And I give them order

651
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: twice because most times it's empty in the morning when

652
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: I get there. They drunk it all overnight, so I

653
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: fill it up once and then fill it up again,

654
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: because they probably drunk all of it. And check the

655
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: horses in the pasture and make sure they have water.

656
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Feed the pig. One of my pigs is locked up

657
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: right now until we get her offence up, just until

658
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: we get a fence that she can't get out of.

659
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: One of my other pigs he's just roaming around. Oh,

660
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: and then I have to clean the stalls. Now. Cleaning

661
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: the stalls is what takes the most time because at

662
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: the moment. I don't have a tractor, and I have

663
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: to go into each stall. It's kind of like the

664
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: stalls have sawdust in it. So just imagine a giant

665
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: kitty litter box and you know, you just scoop it out.

666
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: That's what I do for each of the stalls. And

667
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: so then I have to dump it. And our manure

668
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: mountain is like around the corner from the barn, So

669
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you gotta put the manure like, scoop all the manure

670
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: out of the stall, put it in a wheelbarrow, push

671
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: the wheel, and then come back and then do the

672
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: next all and then some days I have to take

673
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: everything out of the stall. It's called stripping, and then

674
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: put new sawdust in. And I do all this by hand,

675
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: like I do not use machinery. Because you got four babies, yes,

676
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: and I have four girls. So at some point in

677
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: that morning routine, I come back home, wake them up,

678
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: the little ones, get a bath, everybody gets dressed, drop

679
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: them all off at school, and then come back and finish.

680
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: So I ain't trying to be in your business or anything,

681
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: but how do you make money? So this summer, well,

682
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I've been doing it multiple summers. I do summer camps,

683
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: the color and book. I used to do cort respect

684
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: riding lessons a lot more than what I am doing now.

685
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Now I have restructured my riding academy, and the goal

686
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: isn't to focus on riding. The goal is to focus

687
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: on horse welfare so that horses don't end up like

688
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: the horses that we used to take care of when

689
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: I was little, because sometimes we would take in people's

690
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: horses because they could no longer take care of them

691
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: or they just need to. And then I bought a

692
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: horse a year ago who was like skin and bones,

693
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and I never I never want a kid that was

694
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: taught by me to not know what to do and

695
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: to not ask for help. So that's how I make

696
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: my money off of that. I did have an overnight

697
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: job at the beginning of the year, but I cannot

698
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: stay awake and I was terrible. I ended up being

699
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: you got fired. No, I just left because I got

700
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: falling asleep. And then when we're on break, I would

701
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: just I would be sleeping. I'll always come back like

702
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: ten minutes late, and I'm like, y'all, I'm sleepy. No,

703
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: So how do you balance everything? Because you're are you

704
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: a single mother. Yes, so you are see a mother

705
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: for you have this growing farm you had, you're an entrepreneur,

706
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: like you're well known in the community. Like how are

707
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: you balancing everything? I am running off of use. Yeah,

708
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty sure you get burned out, which is

709
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: not a good thing, you know. Like the biggest task

710
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: definitely is trying to find that balance. And so we moved.

711
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: So had our childhood home renovated because it had mold

712
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: in the walls and stuff like that, right, and we

713
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: moved in at the beginning. Well, wait, we moved in

714
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: last year. I still have my una, Like, there are

715
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: still things that I need. My bathroom isn't even finished.

716
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: We don't even have you don't have mirrors in the bathroom.

717
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: I got one mirror in the house and that's on

718
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: my dresser. So it's like there's always something to do.

719
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: So I'm just always getting stuff done. But I'm gonna, like,

720
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm hoping to, hopefully after this month,

721
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: find someone who can come and help with the kids

722
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis so that I can be like, Okay,

723
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: let me tackle this and slowly make my way because

724
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: right now it is wild. Even though I do have

725
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: a schedule, you know, and I have my routine, just

726
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: trying really hard to just polish it up a little

727
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: bit more so that so that it's more consistency, because

728
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: the most thing is me feeding the animals, like I

729
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: have to get and I have to do it at

730
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: certain times, my kids bedtime, even though as they did tonight,

731
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: they wanted to come and give me a hug. Wait,

732
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: so you ain't ain't no fine black cowboys? Were you at?

733
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Maybe they're all too fine and everybody

734
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted them. Yeah, yeah, that could be it. That could

735
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: be it. Shoot, I think that might be the problem. Yeah,

736
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: because you know cowboys are in too so bed part

737
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: because you know somebody, I think somebody messaged me on

738
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: TikTok and they were like, can you introduce me? Introduce

739
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: you back here. I'm looking for myself, right. I used

740
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: to make come and take care of this household ship right,

741
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: Come build me a chicken and coop right now, chicken coop,

742
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: cash your fences up, right, So that's so I'll go ahead,

743
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: see me, Especially when men like I don't think that

744
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: they realize that, like I be at the barn, you know,

745
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: like and how I'm gonna meet somebody if I'm at

746
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: the barn. Well what they don't do for fun? Because

747
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: you can't be at the bar twenty four seven, you

748
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be no man. Not that people get that part. Oh,

749
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I approchet. You need to go outside when yeah with

750
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: some cowboy boost on a little mini skirt and find

751
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you a man ship. You too cute to myself this part,

752
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: but I do. I do need to get out like

753
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: that is so funy. They're gonna get to this part

754
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: and be like child everybody going through it. But I'm

755
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: hoping to. I'm hoping to just to have some more fun.

756
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: But trail ride used to be my thing, like just

757
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: going to bag them mat No, no, I got to

758
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: get a nigga. Yeah you on the trail ride all

759
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: over me? That would be all over you our prime.

760
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm showing back outside of daytings. I'm like, I need

761
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: me a good black fire man. I'm in New York.

762
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York. I can't release while I'm

763
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: going there yet, but I'll be going to New York

764
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: in October for some hit me up. Let's go out.

765
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: They can go to a bar together. I'm serious. Hit

766
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: me up, pray will. I think I'll be there for

767
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: like three days. But it's something that's really special and

768
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. But they told me I can't say

769
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: anything until they make a press release. So well, if

770
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: you can bring a plus one, I want to come.

771
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: So I'm excited. Oh yeah, we used to have We

772
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: used to have a trail ride in New York. Like

773
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: these are the things that I'm talking about, Like there's

774
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: so much history and our trail ride circuit on the

775
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: East Coast. But yeah, the the Federation of Black Cowboys,

776
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: they're in New York and I'm pretty sure some of

777
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: them are still there. But they did used to host

778
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: an annual trail ride in New York. That was one

779
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: of the coolest things, you know, to be able to witness.

780
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then the something and I don't know

781
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: if you were even going to say this, but something

782
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: that people say like, oh, well, she doesn't have cows.

783
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't have cows, and think about that, why ain't

784
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: in no cows? Uh, we had cows at one point,

785
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: but cow fences and horse fences, like we could put

786
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: up some string and some poles and the horses are

787
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: not going to get out. Of it, because when a

788
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: horse feels like they're in something, they're like, Okay, I'm

789
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: in this, unless they're a rebel and they like challenge it.

790
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: But you do have to have certain type of fences

791
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: to keep cows, and you need space for cows. And

792
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever had like enough space to

793
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: have horses and cows all in the same thing. But

794
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: somebody did just give me some cows. So now I

795
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: got cows, but they're not here yet. Do you eat meat?

796
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do, but not I don't eat beef and

797
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't eat pork, but I would tear out some

798
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: chicken wings. So what are some of the biggest lessons

799
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: you learned from working with animals, especially horses? Oh, patients

800
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: and my horse Rainbow, the one that bought a year ago,

801
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: she's teaching me even more patients because sometimes I do

802
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: get frustrated with her because look, she horses going heat

803
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: and she want a baby so bad but I cannot. No.

804
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: So when horses going I don't know the technical term

805
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: for this, and I never thought to look it up,

806
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: but they actually like this liquid comes this fluid comes

807
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: out of like that I don't know, like I don't

808
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: even know what baby if I see some liquor girls out, Yes,

809
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: and she wants a baby so bad because she's in

810
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: heat and her hormones are like breathe me. But I

811
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: can't reread her because she isn't at her ideal wait,

812
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: because it takes a long time for horses to grow

813
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: to I mean, to gain weight. And when I got her,

814
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: like I said, she was just skinning bones. So I cannot,

815
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: I cannot in my right mind like breed her and

816
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: she get pregnant because the baby could take so much

817
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: from her. So like, let's finish, you know, getting you

818
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: back to where you need to be. And after that,

819
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: if everything is good to go, but not right now,

820
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna breed her with stuff mm hmm yep. Eventually

821
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: if everything is okay, I definitely will. Yeah, so it

822
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: is What was the question I never forgot? Lord? Well

823
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: when you said, I asked you what was some of

824
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: the things that working with animals taught you or horses?

825
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: But you said patience? Yeah, so patience because I'll let

826
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: her out and let her free roam and eat grass

827
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: around the farm, and then when I go get her,

828
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: she don't want to come on, not girl co own

829
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: because I can't leave her out because she'll go and

830
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: stand in front of the studs that are in the

831
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: stall horses, I'm gonna say one of them type of holes, yes,

832
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: and they will go crazy, like be sweating, and I'm like,

833
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like yeah, So they taught me patients consistency.

834
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: You got to be consistent. Yeah, you have to be

835
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: consistent with feeding them and really to have fun, like

836
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: more now than ever. And I think it shows in

837
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: my Instagram excuse me, in my Instagram post. I'm just

838
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: having a lot of fun, just enjoying the horses. I

839
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: haven't even been riding like that, but I haven't been

840
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: riding like that. I'm talking to them, doing stuff, just

841
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: watching them sometimes, yeah, and just getting back into my

842
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: groove because I've kind of been like not myself, Like

843
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: I've been myself, but like you burned out, Yeah, I've

844
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: been burned out. So I'm just getting to where I'm like, okay, delegating,

845
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how I can get volunteers out,

846
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: Like so you have up you can't because the way

847
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: you're moving, like especially with you having for babies, like

848
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: that's a lot. And I be seeing you, I'm like, yo,

849
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: this girl is up and I'm up early, Like you

850
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: need something, you need help because it's I mean, well

851
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: with any growing business, and your business is definitely growing

852
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: and reaching a lot of people, so you need as

853
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: much support as possible because I think I think I

854
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: may have officially been on every news channel you got

855
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: on us, especially the major ones, like it's where I

856
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: like seeing it, Good Morning America. Yeah, you've been everywhere.

857
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: I'll be on PBS. I stopped that, Like it's like

858
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: all these things are happening, So I'm just putting in

859
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: the pieces, like I'll be up like it's ten o'clock.

860
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: So last night, all this week, what I've been doing

861
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: is going to bed early, and then I'll wake up

862
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: around like this time or like one in the morning,

863
00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: and I'm wiping out stuff and getting stuff ready, and

864
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: it's probably the only time you can really work since

865
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: your kids are sleep too. While they're sleeping. So it's like, Okay,

866
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: I'm learning to build an even stronger foundation because it's

867
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: just like, okay, you need that. I have, you know,

868
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I have access to the farm, the horses, all these animals,

869
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: but I have to really like strengthen this foundation cause

870
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: it's cool, and now that I think about it, like

871
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: it's wold that a lot of my I guess family

872
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: members and maybe we just never had those conversations. But

873
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it does seem like I'm the only one interested

874
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: in farm life. Like in both sides of my family,

875
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: they were farmers like my family was. They were farmers.

876
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: They raised hogs, they had not hogs, they had fields

877
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: of food that they grew, and they went and farmed

878
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: at other land, other farms and stuff like that. So

879
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you get away from that? Because

880
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: we need it now more than all. Yeah, they putting

881
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: it in our food. But I think you make a

882
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: good point. It's very unfortunate when the tradition just dies

883
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: and then unfortunately you have to keep the or one

884
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: person have to keep the tradition going, and that's a

885
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: lot of work because the tradition is so rich and

886
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: so long and so full. So it's just like, what

887
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: do you do at this point? Maybe you should have

888
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: the conversation with your family and just ask, because like

889
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: you're not just out here starting off like you al

890
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: like a lot of people know who you are. Yeah,

891
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: that that part, and I just you know, imagine what

892
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: y'all can do if everyone wants to help out. Yeah,

893
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 1: and seeing this horse faster you know this this uh

894
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: well it was a dirt road be turned into houses

895
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: and asphalt like Starbucks. Yeah, Starbucks publics, Like we used

896
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: to ride trails through here, like people don't even know.

897
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel every time I go to publics,

898
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: because I do go to this public just steal from them.

899
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: That's that's your reparation. That point. I go over there

900
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: and get a cup of ice, right, But every time

901
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: I go in there, I'm just like, these people have

902
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: no idea what used to be here? Like that's I

903
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: can't help but think that every single time, every time,

904
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: like these people don't know, they had no idea. That's breaking.

905
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: It was all through here. Yeah wow, Now what inspired

906
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: you to come to combine your passion for horses and

907
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: reading to create settle up and read? Because these kids

908
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: was not reading. Yea, they were not reading, but they

909
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: were interested in horses. And really it was like, and

910
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I always say it was a good idea because why

911
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: was I up one random night at twelve o'clock thinking

912
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: about literacy rates like that? Ain't nobody doing that? And

913
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: it's definitely low within our community, especially in the South.

914
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: It is. And when I started collecting those books that

915
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: had black people and horses horse spoken them. I remember

916
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: reading a story about time and time again it was

917
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: always a black man. He didn't know how to read.

918
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: He didn't know how to read, He didn't know how

919
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: to read. And you look at the literacy rates. These

920
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: kids don't know how to read. Why did we think

921
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: that these black children don't know how to read today

922
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: because of slavery? Like, cuckle down, and I just think

923
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: that it's not that people don't it's not that families

924
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: don't think read is important. Just look at how hard

925
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: black families are working just to provide. And I've seen

926
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: this too. People will be like, well, they got new cars,

927
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: and they got the latest Jays, and they got this

928
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: and they got that. Y'all. A lot of mindsets have

929
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: been birthed because of slavery. It's like, let me just

930
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: get that instant gratification of something that can feel good. Yeah,

931
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: so you can feel good because if we look at

932
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: how outside it looked, real ghetto like people working in

933
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: their checks. The checks. The math is the math a mathing.

934
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: It's not so I can totally understand why some people

935
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: are like, you know what, if I'm gonna work this

936
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: hard and I get paid pennies, I might as well

937
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: look good. Yeah, or still they might not prioritize, you know,

938
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: reading at home, even though reading at home is really important.

939
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: So people always say, you know, like read to your kids. Yes, reading,

940
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: But I still feel like those of us who do

941
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: have some sort of privilege or do realize that, hey,

942
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: as a community, we can do more, Like if I

943
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: have four kids and all of these animals and I

944
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: can start a nonprofit, like somebody can pick up the

945
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: phone and call your younger cousin and be like, hey,

946
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: you want to go to the library. Hey a library, cards,

947
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: what books do you like? And then they abandon books,

948
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: they close down libraries. It's like, yo, y'all are making it.

949
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: And I'm an avid reader, Like I always love to

950
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: read ever since I was a little girl. So the

951
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: fact that they close down libraries, I'm just like, yo,

952
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: that's so fucking heartbreaking. Before people start realizing that was happening,

953
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: I had made a tweet and I was like, how

954
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: old were you when you realized that not all schools

955
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: had a library? And yeah, and it was like, some

956
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: people just like what they never even crossed my mind,

957
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and now they're like really closing them.

958
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do Saddle Up and Read to

959
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: really just encourage kids, and the focus was black children

960
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: because I felt like we needed books. Because something that

961
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: really started to piss me off is I love books.

962
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: I do. Sometimes I just feel like putting a black

963
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: character on the cover of a book when you are

964
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: a white author and a white illustrator is so misleading.

965
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: And I remember it coming across books and I would

966
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: read it like black families, but the language and how

967
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: the character is like I've read this one book and

968
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: they called the black boy jungle foot. Now what now,

969
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: one nigga. You know it's calling a boy, a little

970
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: black boy jungle foot exactly. And I was like, oh

971
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like nobody thought that this was a bad

972
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: idea for these two white ladies to write this book,

973
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: and they called themative. So I was like, no, we're

974
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. We're gonna find books written by

975
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: non white Yeah, fine, diverse characters, multi cultural characters, books

976
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: written by black people, illustrated by black people, their texture,

977
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: lips and noses, those that's very important. So that's really

978
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: why I did it. And I was like, you know what,

979
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: I have horses. I've always had horses. I can share

980
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: my horses. Yeah, and it's like, yes, other people could

981
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: do the same thing, but they didn't choose to and

982
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe that's not their mission. It'sn't my mission to share.

983
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Sligan Reed was born with the intent

984
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: to get kids to read and it's working and growing. Yeah. No,

985
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: good for you. You know, I believe that you have

986
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: made a significant contribution in promoting awareness on the legacy

987
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: of black es creep. I don't know why I can't

988
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: say this word. It's questions. When you receive love and

989
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: recognition from people, including Oprah, how does that make you feel?

990
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: You know. I I was like, oh, yeah, I gotta

991
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: get her because the rest of these girls ain't got

992
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: no no stamp on for Oprah. Okay, At random times

993
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: it'll hit me like, oh shit, that happened, Like Oprah

994
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: know who you are. Ye, but it's like it was

995
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: like rolling. It was not for you. It was non stop.

996
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: If we think about it. Since twenty twenty, I have

997
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: been in the news, if not every month, every other

998
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: month in the news and magazines that's fire since twenty twenty.

999
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: It is not a stop, and I'm thankful it's gonna

1000
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: keep going into the wheel. I'm gonna keep this going

1001
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: into the horse stop. And so I have to like

1002
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: physically stop and be like, yo, look at all this

1003
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: stuff that you have done. Because on my website I

1004
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: was starting to put interviews and I'm like, I've run

1005
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: it out of spo. This is a long tab. Oh

1006
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: come on now, come on with us Vogue Magazine, the

1007
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: Washington Post, Yeah, Sidelines magazine, that's a horse magazine, Horse Illustrated.

1008
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Like it's so many different, so many different publications. So

1009
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: I just think, like it's really really cool. So I'm

1010
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: still like conflicting. It's like, oh my gosh, I did

1011
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: these amazing things. But I'm also like, dang, I didn't

1012
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: know what I know now, you know, like to set

1013
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: to set that intention to like grab people, you know,

1014
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: like why the iron is hot, strike while the iron

1015
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: is hot and stuff like. So now like this is

1016
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: what August third, I have been promoting my coloring book

1017
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: Nine Stops. So my goal for last month was to

1018
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: sell ten coloring books on Amazon. I met that goal,

1019
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: and then this month. The goal was twenty and I'm

1020
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: already at it's August third, I'm already at I think

1021
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: fourteen sales on Amazon, and I know, like it's like small,

1022
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: but it's like I don't listen. Even if it's a

1023
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: small win, it's still a win, yes, But for me,

1024
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: it's the consistency like I have been multiple times throughout

1025
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah. No, absolutely, So you should definitely be

1026
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: proud of yourself. Like I think that what you have done,

1027
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: especially like this has been your life. So I feel

1028
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: like for you to like really like make a business

1029
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: out of it, I think it's amazing and not even that,

1030
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: but also just shedding light on the history of our

1031
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: people in this world because they've been there since they won.

1032
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: But you made a great point. Why is there no pictures? Yeah?

1033
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: Like where are the pictures in? Right? Right? It's not

1034
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: well with me? Yeah me either, Last, but not least,

1035
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on those people who have sex

1036
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: with horses? You know, people be having sex with horse

1037
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: to stop it. That with goats, Oh my gosh, people

1038
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: be having sex with goats. I've heard of that before.

1039
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: I remember when I was younger, and I think it

1040
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: like scarred me for life because it was it was

1041
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: in the news or something like this man got caught child.

1042
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: If people are out there doing that, that is just

1043
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: so terrible, Like that has never crossed my mind. Oh

1044
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah, it's a be a big thing. When

1045
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I heard about it and I

1046
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: actually YouTube would google it and I mean, you know,

1047
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: horses got some big things. So I've seen this moment

1048
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, no way, Yeah, it's terrible, but no,

1049
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: I think this was an amazing episode. I'm so happy that.

1050
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we were able to connect and

1051
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: make it work tonight, because, y'all, I really been in

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Speaker 1: her dms, like just trying to bring her on the

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Speaker 1: show because I think representation in all areas matter and

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Speaker 1: that's very important to me when I started The Professional Homegirl,

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Speaker 1: and my listener's been begging for this episode, So I

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate you coming on the show. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: those technical difficulties that was wow. Wow, y'all. I was like, man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you were determined to not have to reschedule again.

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Speaker 1: I did not want to reschedule. I'm like, come on, now,

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Speaker 1: come on, great, this is the first podcast I've done

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Speaker 1: a podcast interview I've done in a while, so it's

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Speaker 1: always great. But yeah, I really do be busy, like

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Speaker 1: stuff will just pop up. A horse might get out,

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Speaker 1: the goats might be doing something, my kids might be

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Speaker 1: doing something, and it's just doing my best to just

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Speaker 1: go with the flow. I think you're doing an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: And you know, yes, of course, and even though a

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Speaker 1: wise point once said I don't fuck with horses since

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Speaker 1: Christopher Reese, I might have to disagree with her on

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Speaker 1: that one, because this was really an amazing conversation. You

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Speaker 1: know who said that chat You using to rap music sometimes? No,

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Speaker 1: you don't. When you come to New York, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take you outside all old music? Is it in an

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Speaker 1: old song? That's Nicki Minaj child, I gotta take you

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Speaker 1: outside when you come up here. Yeah you're a farm.

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Speaker 1: But thank y'all so much for listening. Please follow me

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Speaker 1: at the Professional Homegirl at the PHG podcast on all

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Speaker 1: social media platforms, and until next time, everyone later. The

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Speaker 1: Professional Homegirl podcast is a production of the Black Effect

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