WEBVTT - Kesha on Makeup and Music 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.160 Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:16.720 I'm your host Bobby Brown. I was really excited to 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.840 interview Kesha today for this podcast because even though we're 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.560 talking to people in beauty and founders, here is this 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:31.720 well known talented songwriter singer with these crazy hits, but 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.640 she also has a makeup line that she's really involved with. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.320 So I was just really interested in what the correlation 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.559 of the two and how she marries the two. And 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.280 I also know her as her pretty out there style 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:51.000 from glitter to all things rainbows to color, and I 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.320 wanted to just really figure out what she thinks about 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.200 when she's creating this makeup line. Her makeup line called 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.440 Kesha Rose, which is also her name is um it's 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.440 new on the market and I think it's very very cool, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.839 and so I wanted to hear what went into making it. Hey, Kesha, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.200 nice to meet you, So nice to meet you. You're 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.880 a legend. Oh my god, that just makes me sound old. No, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:21.000 you're okay, Yeah, iconics a little better. Well, your iconic. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.120 You're a legend, you're famous. So you know, it's it's 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.040 always nice to talk to someone else that you know 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.720 has has made something and is somewhere, and it seems 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.360 like you're going a lot of places these days. Oh girl, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.280 I'm trying to figure it out like the rest of us. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.880 But you know what, you never quite figure it out, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.720 and that's the good news. And once you have figured 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.840 it out, you just want to do something completely different. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.080 So it's I think it's part of the creative process. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.600 I you know, I was talking to somebody. I forget 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:59.760 who it was, um, maybe myself. But I'm thinking that 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.680 everyone has the capability of being an artist. It's just 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:10.079 whether or not you decide to apply yourself to the creation, 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.880 because I feel like the hardest step is just trying 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.720 to make the thing that you want to make. Yes, 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.920 I think that certainly everyone has the ability to be creative. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.240 Two of the things I do not have the ability 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.520 to do that I would love to be able to do, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.680 and one of them is to be able to sing. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.800 Because when I sang in fifth grade, I thought I 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.640 was doing a great job, and my music teacher asked 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.160 me to mouth the words, so oh yeah, and you 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.320 know what, when I drink tequila, I sing fine. But anyways, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.280 so I can't sing, and you know what, I love 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.000 to dance, and I can't dance well I in my opinion, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.240 it's just my humble opinion. I think everybody I sound 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.799 like else, like um welfare all else. But everybody can 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.320 sing and everybody can dance. You don't have to do 0:02:58.360 --> 0:02:59.760 it well to be able to do it. You just 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.519 got to do it. Okay, Well, if you're really bored 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.760 one day, you can go on YouTube and google me 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.440 dancing with flow Ride on stage the one, one moment 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.280 I had this opportunity. And trust me, short Jewish women 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.240 cannot dance, which is why. Yeah, but but it's okay. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.359 I enjoyed it. That's all that matters. I think that's 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.960 the most important part of making art, is like whether 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.000 it's dancing or cooking, which I can't cook, like I 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.720 can't boil water, so like, oh you can like an art, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:35.200 it's such an art. But the creation of anything, it's 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.800 like to enjoy it is the best thing ever. And 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.119 that's why I've loved making makeup. And I just got 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.400 your product, and I love the packaging and I love 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.120 that I can just tell there's such well intentions behind it. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.880 So you're making this beauty product, which, as someone else 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.640 here is just like I'm in the baby stages, like 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.960 learning how to also make beauty products. But there's so 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.760 much thought put into it, and I think it's so 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.840 fucking awesome. Thank you. That's my creation and that's my art. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.040 So I want to talk about your style first of all, 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.720 like how would you describe your beauty style? I feel 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.880 like I like to challenge any said rules that there are. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:21.200 I really like to challenge, and I think that makes 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:26.240 me sometimes it challenging, like person to consume or I 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.120 don't know, so like you either kind of love me 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.839 or hate me, is what I've gathered from the research 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.560 I've done. But I think you're wrong. People love you. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.239 I never heard anyone not loving you. Well, you're very sweet, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:44.240 but I've checked my Instagram comments one time too many. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.800 But I just think that I like to challenge what 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.280 like beauty is. I like to challenge what the definition 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.760 of beauty is and why it is that way, and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.240 I think that it really comes back to what we 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.000 learned or up and what we saw. And then I 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.760 also am in this process of trying to be more 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:10.840 open to like color, like of course, classic black and 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.920 red lips like those are such classic beauty staples. But 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.440 I also love I just as I sound like a 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.080 five year old, But I fucking love rainbows and I 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.320 love color and it makes me really happy. And I 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.360 feel like when I'm walking around, I don't feel like 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.520 a person. I feel like I'm just like blue Tiger. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.760 That's what I kind of like. I would say identify 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.200 as a blue Tiger. So, well, you're a You're a 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.880 full on creative being and that's what you do. And 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.360 so it's almost like I get it, but do you 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.120 think you got into music first or or beauty first 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.279 when you were a kid. Always went hand in hand. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.320 It was weird. When I was growing up, I always 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.720 gravitated towards looking at people like t Rex, like Mark 0:05:54.760 --> 0:06:01.400 Folan and Iggy Pop specifically Zicky started era like this 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:09.719 very gender bending, very sparkly, theatrical and like very cool. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.159 But it just so happened that they were also men. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.080 So I love the kind of gender bending. And I 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.599 always loved anything that sparkled, like I'm like a like 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.440 a I forget what kind of fish it is, like 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.400 a barracuda or or raccoon, Like anything that sparkles like 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.360 I can't help it. I'm just attracted to it. So 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.840 and were you the kid that wore it to school 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.760 like in high school? Oh? Yeah, it was it was 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.960 a train wreck. I was not a train wreck. It 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.960 was an exploration and I love to see those pictures. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.120 We're still exploring. I think life is one. But it 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.720 kind of wently under the hand to me because I 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.040 thought the visual side of things was so cool when 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.240 you would see this man and then it covered in 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.920 glitter in a one leg jumpsuit, and I just thought 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.880 it was the coolest thing ever, especially some of the 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:06.560 iconic face painting moments, David Bowie moments, like they're just 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.360 like burned into my mind as the coolest thing ever, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.280 like where he just looks like a creature from space. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.000 So I got into both at the same time because 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:18.960 to me, they go hand in hand. It's like the 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.680 internal expression and then the external expression of oneself to 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.280 kind of go with each other. But how did you 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.080 get into music? In the beginning, music was just kind 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.320 of part of the narrative because my mom is a songwriter, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.280 and she wrote songs for Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.120 sang the song, and Merle Haggard just all these classic 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:44.480 country icon legend like people that are just you know, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.360 next level amazing, And so I was just always around music, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.960 so it kind of was like it was, weirdly just 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.600 part of our lives. Like on Christmas, our family would 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.880 just play music together. It sounds so weird because I 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.640 know that's really different than other people's Christmas experience, but 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.160 that was our way of bonding and like our communication 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.440 style almost was making music together. And then when did 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.840 you put music and makeup together? Like what part of 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.720 your career? Um? I think I've tried my whole life 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:19.760 to kind of put them together, and some have been 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.720 more successful attempts than others. But I think that's kind 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.840 of part of the fun is that I also learned 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.520 from a really early age like if you're gonna do 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.840 weird ship, you're gonna have opinions. So just get used 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:38.000 to some people liking it and some people not liking it, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.640 including myself. Like sometimes I think I look fucking fierce 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.400 and fabulous, and then I see a picture of it 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:44.880 and I'm like, that is not what I thought it 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.880 looked like. So what what what was your worst makeup 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.880 memory where you're like, did I really do that? Oh? 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:56.360 There's so many which I don't even think, well, on SNL, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.400 I decided to the first time I ever played Saturday 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.439 Night Live, I it was like, I very much I 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.800 don't feel like I'm from this planet, so I want 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.360 to look as much like a space creature as possible. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:13.320 So I wanted to do all day glow makeup, and 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.959 I believe at the time it was something they've never 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.520 done before, so it was like a bit of a 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:24.080 challenge to successfully like pull it off. And when I 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.960 look back at that, I'm like, you know what, good 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.680 for you, But it's not exactly what I thought it 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.679 was gonna look like. Sounds so cool. Do you share 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.240 these pictures on any of your socials, all of these 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.360 makeup memories? You know what? I should do some more 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.840 of that, because yeah, I like my TVT Throwback Thursday. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.240 I totally should. There's also a time where I had 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.920 like a mohawk and blue lipstick on and it was 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.320 just all stuff that like you're not supposed to do, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:52.880 and I was like, well, I have to do it, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.720 And what did you do something on Jimmy Fallon? Did 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.280 you do makeup on Jimmy Fallon? Or you I did? 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.200 I made him put on blue lipsticks, So I like, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.319 basically bought out the Max Store of this like blue eyeliner, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.360 and it's kind of the color I feel like reflects 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.760 probably what my aura has always looked like, just like 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.679 my favorite color of like turquoise blue. And so I 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.360 put it on as lipstick for like, I don't know, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:24.040 three years, and then I when I went on Jimmy, 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.280 I do get what it was, I think, and I 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.679 made Jim put it on. I'm pretty applied it to 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.080 him or somebody else applied it to him. But good 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.480 for him for being a good sport. Knows that's so cute. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.560 And talk to me about your makeup artist, because I 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.520 know you have a close relationship with him. Does he 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.200 always do your makeup? And for how long? Oh? God? 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.800 Ideally yes, he always does my makeup because for me, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.280 like my makeup style is either I'm pretty all or 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.880 nothing kind of gal. So if I'm which is why 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.160 I'm really excited about your makeup. Actually, it's because it 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.680 seems very much like nothing. No, It's like it just 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.079 feels good for your skin, it feels nourishing. It doesn't 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.160 feel like it's going to Like a lot of times 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.040 when I do stage makeup, it's like really really intense 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.520 and thick, and there's a lot of makeup happening, and 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.400 this is makeup that seems really wearable and seems really 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.079 healthy for your skin, which it is. It's all clean, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.560 it's a clean brand and that was really important to me, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.760 and um, I wanted it to feel as good as 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.160 it looks. And I, you know, it's funny because I 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.800 was looking through your Instagram and I stopped at this 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.760 picture of you with red lipstick and freckles, and I 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.200 was like, oh my god, how adorable is that picture? 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.920 Do you do that? Sometimes on stage we're not really 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.520 like no makeup and just something, you know what I 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.400 makeup is a little bit part of like the the 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.960 superpower that like, well, before I go on stage, there's 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.680 this whole ritual of putting on, like I do full 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.439 make up and then I usually have some crazy wig 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.480 down to my ass and a cape. So it's kind 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.160 of part of like putting on the putting on the thing. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.360 It's like going on stage with all this makeup on, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.400 and I enjoy it because it's part of the extremes 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.080 of my personality. It's like it's it's like I'm either 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.840 at home with this beautiful bomb on my face and 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.240 the Master era or I'm like full face of makeup 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.160 with stars glued to my forehead and glitter everywhere and 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:33.800 turquoise and lashes, and I haven't really done fully. If 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.560 I'm being totally honest, I've never on like full naked 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:41.240 face on stage because that sounds like it's so vulnerable. God, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.400 but you look so freaking pretty thin. I just have 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.560 to say, I love your freckles, so thank you. Well, 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.600 it's kind of like you're saying in fifth grade when 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.360 you were like singing and someone told you to not 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.040 sing and it traumatized you into thinking you can't sing. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.440 I on my very first album cover, I took all 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.679 the pictures. I thought I looked so cute that all 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.440 my freckles are blazing. And then I got like the 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.880 picture back from I don't know who did it, to 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.880 be honest, but I got the picture back and they 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.360 had blurred out all of my freckles and I was like, oh, okay, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.040 so that because that was back then, right and back then. Yeah. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.160 I once hired a model with a gap in her 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.640 teeth and they filled it in. I was like, why, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.800 that was like made her so interesting? So they did 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.760 the same thing with freckles. Yeah, I think I kind 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.559 of like have grown to now it's like a badge 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.760 of honor my freckles, and maybe one day I'll be 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.960 able to go out fully naked faced. But it sounds 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.040 a little bit scary. But my makeup artist, what's his name, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.679 Vittorio Toreo Missekia, and I have to say, he's like 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.560 one of my closest friends and has been with me 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.480 for like years and years, and we've grown so much 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.880 together as people and just in the beauty department. It's 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.320 so much fun because we take risks and it's exciting 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.680 and it just feels like it's a really safe place. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.840 And I trust him with my face, like he knows 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.760 my face like the back of his hand, and so 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.199 I could fall asleep or I could be crying hysterically, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.640 and I just know that he's going to make sure 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.400 that the outside looks okay, even if the inside is struggling, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.720 like he makes sure the outside looks great. And I 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.040 just love having that trust with somebody. I feel like 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.160 it's really rare. So is the process where you come 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.600 up with the ideas and you explain what you're thinking 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.080 and he translates them or do you do it together. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.480 It's really collaborative, like they'll be some days where like 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.360 yesterday he was like, how do you want to look? 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.160 And I was like, I want to look like the 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.960 ocean on a beautiful day, Like I want to be 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.120 a sparkle ocean lady. And he's got it and so 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.760 he'll interpret that into a way that makes sense on 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.040 my face. And then we kind of tweak it together 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.800 and we take risks together, like it's kind of fun, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.560 like it's like, well, wait, should we like tie tye 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.520 this wig? And I'm like, a slutely, we should. So 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:08.840 it's really like it's really nice to have like um yeah, totally, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.640 that's just like ready to get weird. But then also 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.040 can stop you from yourself and be like okay, it's done, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.160 Like you're done. It's good. And how involved is he 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:23.120 and your brand? He when in the first round I 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.800 ran everything by him because I wanted to make sure 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.280 it's something he would use on my face, anything that 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.000 I ever put out. I want to make sure I 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.480 stand behind I will wear it. I'll wear it on stage, 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.880 I'd wear it off stage. I want to put it 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.680 on my face. It's not tested on animals. It's clean 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.080 like your brand, which I so appreciate. Like when brands 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.240 are clean and not test on animals, it's like that's 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.520 a deal breaker for me. So just knowing, like the 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.520 integrity behind the brand is there and then you can 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.680 just have fun with the product after you check, like 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.120 make sure the integrity is there, and then you just 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.600 you know, do whatever the funk you want and that's 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.960 the fun part. So he did. I did make sure 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.920 with him, like everything I did he would use on 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:11.800 my face. But I did do the designing, from the 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.560 packaging to every single little color. I was such a 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.640 pain in the ass about it, which I'm kind of 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.840 curious to you as like a creator of iconic makeup 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.160 for like years now, how involved are you in it? 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.000 Like are you super anal about everything? Because I'm like 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.960 I am I am um. Some people would call me difficult. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.400 I tend to call myself brilliant. Okay, there's a fine 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.000 line between difficult and brilliant. It depends who is actually 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.640 standing in front of you. And the people that get 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.800 me would say I was brilliant. The people that didn't 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.160 get me would say I was difficult. I wouldn't let 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.880 them do this. I wouldn't let I'm like, okay, I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.800 wouldn't let you do it because you suck at what 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.880 you do. But that's a whole another, a whole, another podcast. Well, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.720 we understand me. You would have to be a pain 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.360 in the ass sometimes what you want. Yeah, well, you know, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.639 I also have a very you know, strong vision of 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.720 what I want and my you know, the the hard 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.800 part is getting people your team around you that shares 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:16.600 your vision, understands it and is excited about it and 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.120 so ready for your pain and the assess because they 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.960 trust that the thing that will end up being will 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:44.399 be worth it all. So why did you want to 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.560 start a makeup brand? I think because my name has 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:54.000 been so synonymous with like outrageous makeup, like you know, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.920 like I've said before, both looks that I think are 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.920 just like so much fun and I'm so happy I 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.720 did and some that I'm kind of like, whoa, it 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.320 wasn't the best, but I was I was having fun, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.320 so you know whatever, um, and I just I think 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.520 it's such a fun way to express how you feel 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.920 on the inside and accentuate what you feel like makes 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.840 you feel confident and what makes you feel beautiful. I'm 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.760 really into not necessarily like, not perfection for me is 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.439 not what I'm after. I'm after people just accentuating what 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.679 makes them feel beautiful and what they want to accentuate. So, 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.840 if you want to draw on your forehead with my eyeliner, like, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.080 I'm so here for that. But I also you can 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:43.040 use it as a classic liquid liner. And I just like, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.920 I just want people to play. I think having fun 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.639 with life and makeup and everything, like it shouldn't all 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.160 be so serious. I think it's really important to have fun. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.200 I think it's important to dance even if you can't dance. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.920 I think it's important to saying even if you can't sing, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.520 because it's like those are the things that keep you 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.639 young at heart. And so with my makeup, I wanted 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.439 it to be really like joy inspiring and like fun 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.560 and that feeling that I get when I'm about to 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.679 do something kind of crazy, like glue a star on 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.119 my forehead, the feeling of like should I do this? 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.199 There's this too crazy? Like I want other people to 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.320 feel that feeling of like should I wear this crazy 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.960 green sparkly eyeshadow? Is it too crazy? And just try it? 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.720 And if you don't like it. You know, you live 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.120 and you learn. Yeah, well, your packaging is really beautiful 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.480 and it looks very vintage. So where'd you get the 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.120 inspiration for that? Thank you so much for saying that. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:45.240 I'm like obsessed with packaging. Honestly, it's a mashup of 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.680 there's gonna be a really weird reference just warning you. Um, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:57.479 I figured ahead. It's slightly inspired by Stanley Kubrick and 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:03.119 like the Shining the floor, the carpeting of the floor 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.760 of the movie The Shining, the Little Boy is writing 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.480 his tricycle on that was inspiring to the inside of 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.160 the fact, like the outside and the inside of the packaging. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.159 There's a red velvet and a and a brown like 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:22.080 a brown orange almost petrified wood feeling, and I wanted 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:28.040 it to feel really vintage. And the actual physical packaging, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.200 I feel like I'm very much a child of the moon, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.760 and I wanted it to feel ethereal as it could 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.840 physically feel. I wanted to feel so with you, really 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:42.280 and so special. I wanted to feel something you pulled 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.400 out of your bag. Your friend would be like, what 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.480 is that? That is so cool? I want to touch it. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.280 And when you are writing music, and thinking about, you know, 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.720 a new album or working on an album. How much 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.560 of the makeup inspiration do you kind of see together? Well, 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.280 I'm doing this now, and I could do this palette 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.560 because it reminds me of this. Is that very much 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.720 part of it? Oh? Absolutely? I think much like albums 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.000 are snapshots of how you're feeling in a particular time, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.960 I think that the makeup packaging, the packaging and the 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.119 makeup inside is a snapshot of where I'm at in 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.159 my life and what my mood is and or what 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.119 I want my mood to be. Like, I made the 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:27.560 palette really brightly colored, and there are parts that are shining, 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.040 their parts that are velvet. There's a tassel. It's like 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.639 very extra because I feel like I'm a little bit extra. 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.879 I don't know he gathered that, but I wanted to 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:45.040 just feel like extra different and extra special and just 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.800 something I haven't ever seen before. And I think that 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.320 the next round will look a little bit different and 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.760 it will be different, but at the heart of it, 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.480 it's going to be myself, which is always going to 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:02.080 be probably just a little bit weird. So and you've 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.919 been doing makeup on yourself on your YouTube channel. Is 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.199 that true? Yes, I'm not like great at doing my 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.560 own makeup, so I have Victorio, my makeup artist. I 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.960 haven't kind of walking me through and teaching me how 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:20.320 to do makeup because through quarantine, I've been trying to, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.280 you know, like the rest of us, figure out what 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.320 this new lifestyle means. And with your job as an artist, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.760 it's it's you know, it's very different. I'm used to 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:33.040 being on the road. I was supposed to be on 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.600 Toril year and this here's obviously not gone the way 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.239 we all thought it was going to go. So just 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.639 trying to figure out how to do things for myself 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.359 that I've never had to do before, like like a 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:46.720 full beat for a music video and then film the 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.080 music video, and like the music video and at the 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.520 music video, all these things I'm trying to learn how 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.240 to do on my own, which is it's been an 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.439 interesting process. So now your this creator, are you also 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.040 getting involved in the business. Is that something you love 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.320 learning or are you happy for other people to deal 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.680 with that. I'm really interested in learning how to apply 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.160 the product to my own face, like I always wanted. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.119 I always only want to put out things that I 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.359