WEBVTT - 6/20/25: Ro Khanna Flames Schumer On Iran, WH May Use 'TACTICAL NUKES & MORE! 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.640 Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.280 and we here at breaking Points, are already thinking of 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.559 ways we can up our game for this critical election. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.680 We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.080 the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.400 coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.960 it just means the absolute world to have your support. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:21.840 But enough with that, let's get to the show. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.160 Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. We've got the whole team here, 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.240 plus special guests. Congressman Rocana, fresh off a THEO Von appearance. 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.400 Great to see Zar, great to say you not quite 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.479 a breaking points appearance, but you know it was a 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:35.879 good lot. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.520 This is are you yeah, what are you talking about? 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.680 You get the full team, very rarely the team he's. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.200 Talking about THEO Von does. It isn't quite as big 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.480 as the Breaking Points appearent, but you know that's very kind, 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.279 you know. So we're gonna talk to the Congressman here 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.680 for a little while. Then he's gonna run and catch 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.639 a flight. There's a bunch of updates with regard to 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.400 Iron and Israel we want to get to. We'll see 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.560 how far we are able to get with that. We've 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.160 also got some Zora on news we might jump on. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.680 We've got some Obama comments we might get to here 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.400 is she ask the congressman about the Obama comments, and 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.640 then Ryan is turtle Boy joining? Is that a thing 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.240 that's happening? 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.800 Oh you're muted, Ryan, Yes, Producer Griffin says, the Turtle 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.240 Boy will be in the back end of the show. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.520 So if there's ever been a reason to become a 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:26.199 paying subscriber, that's the guy. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.200 I was thinking that when I get off, I've Google 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:33.920 I heard her boy, I. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:34.520 Just have never heard. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.920 I don't have to mean make sure it's doctor you 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.880 google doctor turtle Boy, not just turtle Boy. He's the 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.679 he's the local Massachusetts reporter who kind of broke the 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.320 Karen Reid's story out into in a national view and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.920 he's so he's now on taking his victory laps. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:50.520 After her acquittal. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:51.920 Gotcha. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.640 Okay, So lots to get to you in the show. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.000 So first, Congressman, I wanted to start off by getting 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.640 you to react to a little bit of you and 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.160 just play a little piece of this. Theovan appearance can 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.360 tell us what your you know, what your experience was 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.080 and what he sort of wanted to focus on here. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.480 I thought, I thought this part was interesting. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.280 He started off the podcast world run Now you like 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.160 react to yourself on podcasts exactly? 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:11.680 Yeah. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.680 Well, and this is, you know, exclusive, your first reaction 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.320 to you being on So in any case, he wanted 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.600 to start off talking about Ron talking about Gaza. I'm 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.760 about like thirty minutes into the podcast thus far. But 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.400 let's go ahead and pick up with this part and 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:25.320 then we'll get your reaction. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.440 It is trumple is ilmly Trump afraid of it? 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:27.760 Yah. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.720 I I don't understand that, you know, because Trump certainly 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.600 feels like he's seems he is a guy who does 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.760 not seem afraid to say what he wants to say. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.680 I don't think I don't know what it is because 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.040 I I want Trump to do the right thing, Like 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.880 I want him to start to end the war in Gaza, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.280 to actually figure out how we get peace there. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:50.639 And I think he could. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.079 He could if he picks up the phone and he says, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.320 then yell, you're done, then you know is going to 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:56.960 stop the bombing. And then you know, I was going 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.440 to say, okay, but we got Jmas. I can't stay 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.880 here with him, and Trump can say, Okay, I'm going 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.320 to help you get rid of Hamas, but you can't 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.840 keep bombing and killing women and children. That's not getting 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:07.560 rid of Hamas. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.320 Yeah, it's freaking crazy, dude. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:10.320 I mean it's just like. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.720 So, you get Egypt, you get Jordan, you get Saudi Arabia. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.400 I call it the twenty three state solution. You get 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:17.200 all of those erabors. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.280 Mississippi, dude, I'll tell you that we can give Mississippi 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.520 to palaes On I've been saying that, for give. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:30.000 Mississippi to palestinevonnssolves finds Middle East piece. But Congressman, what 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.200 was your experience and were there any particular moments that 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.720 we should really pay attention to or that you found 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.080 particularly noteworthy. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:44.200 I was amazed by his passion, his empathy, his outrage 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.200 with what's going on in Gaza. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.120 I mean you could just see it in his voice. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:54.720 It was just this utter frustration that the United States 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.240 was complicit in the killing. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.840 Of women and children. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.600 And theobon is always someone who takes the side of 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.400 the under and also kind of just reflects American values 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.200 of someone who hasn't thought read every bookings paper. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.320 He's just like, look, this is wrong. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:17.720 And I was also struck by how concerned scare outraging 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.480 was that we were thinking of getting into another more 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:20.080 in Iran. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.720 That's so Congress, and that's actually one of the main 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.760 things we wanted to focus on with you is the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.920 role here of the Democratic Party and of the opposition. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.679 One of the things that's really rhyming for me going 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.359 back and really thinking about what happened in Iraq is 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:38.120 I don't see a mobilization of the Democratic establishment on 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.880 the Iran question. You know, we've had Thomas Massey and 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.599 leaders like you who have introduced, you know, the need 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.480 for a declaration or an approval by Congress. I guess 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.520 we can give it to the Bush administration at least 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.120 they went to the links with that. But here the 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.560 Trump administration has taken completely unilateral approach and we have 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.520 not yet seen calls from major Democratic leaders you know 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.000 for this, Yeah, exactly, Like as you say here, what 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.600 does this mean from Senator Schumer, I'm just wondering if 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.719 you could expound on that and the lack of leadership 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.560 right now from the Democratic Party on the Iran war question. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:17.279 It's deeply disappointing. This is like the Iraq War moment. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.280 The Democratic Party should be in unison, screaming from the rooftop, 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.320 we don't want another war in the Middle East. Donald 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.240 Trump won the presidency because he said that the Iraq 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.120 War was a disaster, and Jeb Bush wasn't willing to 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.599 say that. He won over a lot of people who 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.359 previously supported Democrats because he committed that we weren't going 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.480 to get into another war in the Middle East. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.520 We've had Iraq War cheerleaders. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.240 In our party who ran for president John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.120 John Edwards. It didn't work out so well for them. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.440 And then we had people who stood opposed to the war, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.400 like Barack Obama, who did very very well at Bertie Sanders. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.720 My view is that this is the moment the Democratic 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.640 Party can reclaim the anti war mantle. Obviously, we should 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.920 have unison of Democrats on my War Powers Resolution in 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.440 the House. This isn't even a close call, and we 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.760 should have Senator Schumer instead of saying, oh, I don't know, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.880 maybe they should strike him. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.719 Maybe Trump isn't tough enough. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.240 He should be behind Tim Kaine and saying every Democrat 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:23.520 needs to oppose this war. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.120 Yeah, just from a cynical perspective, it seems like if 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.200 you're a politician looking for future advantage, the play here 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.039 would be, even if you're not against war, would be 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:40.640 to speak out against war and reap those benefits going forward. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.720 At the same time, the No King's protests had, you know, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.279 hundreds of thousands of people around the country. You have 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.359 Democrats saying that he's an authoritarian, that he's a threat 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.559 to democracy. They've been saying that for a very long time. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.080 How do they lend this idea that Okay, yes, he's 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.839 a threat to democracy's authoritarian tyrant maybe, but I'm okay 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.400 with this war, that this tyrant is going to operate. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.200 When you talk to people privately, what is holding them 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.000 back from just coming out with a full throated opposition 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.720 to Donald Trump just launching a war against Iran. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.680 Well, your first point, Garry Ryan, was kay that it's 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.600 not just that we should be opposed to this war, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.240 but we should be opposed to Donald Trump waking up 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.360 and deciding whether to commit us to a war based 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.440 on the last conversation he had. I mean, everyone should 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.920 be for this coming to Congress, especially if you think 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.560 that Crump has overreached his constitutional authority and consolidated power 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.280 a number of people or they have been itching, some 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.360 of them candidly in the Congress to take out Iran's 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.840 nuclear facilities. And this is something that there are a 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.680 number of Democrats and Republicans that they want to do this, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.280 and they think magically, Okay, we're going to have a 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.040 military strike against Ferdoh and Iran will not have a 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.160 nuclear bomb and then everything will be peaceful in the 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.920 Middle East. Well, first of all, we know that this 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.000 story has been told before. We're going to have a 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.320 successful military operation. Everything will work out. We took out 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.920 saddamusin then what happened. We got stuck for almost a 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.040 decade in Iraq. We're going to get rid of l 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.880 Kaida in Afghaniskan. Everything will be fine. We got to 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.720 stuck for nearly twenty years in Afghanistan. The idea that 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.120 we can strike for Doh and that Iran isn't going 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.920 to retaliate against American troops in Iraq, that they aren't 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.840 going to retaliate, but counter terrorism against Americans is utter 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.119 naive thinking. It's going to draw us into a conflict 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.160 and for what we don't even know if the bunker 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.200 bombs can destroy the entire Ferdeau site, at best, it's 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.199 going to push Iran back two to three years in 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.160 developing nuclear weapons. And they're going to get then rip 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.160 up the NPT. They're a put involvement in the NPT. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.920 They're going to push out all inspectors. And we know 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.040 in the past, the Obama deal had it so that 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.320 Iran couldn't enrich beyond. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.320 Five percent at any place other than the Tans. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.280 Now they're enriching at sixty percent at Florideaux. We know 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.120 we've had a deal before. Even if you think the 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.920 deal wasn't perfect, it was much much, much better than 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.520 the situation we have now or the situation we will 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.040 have if Iran gets out of the NPT and kicks 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.160 out all the inspectors. So those are just the facts. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.719 I don't know why the Democratic Party isn't bolder. It's 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.640 a symptom not just of being acquiescent to another war. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.880 It's a symptom of a lack of leadership. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.200 You know, I almost see more conviction on Lindsay Graham 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.760 being like, let's Obama. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.000 Mean, yeah, I don't right position, that's. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.480 The worst of all world well, in Congrison, can I 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.120 ask to what extent you assess? I mean, we are 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.120 all looking around and thinking why Democrats, even from the 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.200 cynical perspective that Ryan raised, are you not, you know, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.840 mustering the same level of opposition that Soccer pointed out 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.640 you used to see during. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:01.480 The Iraq War. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:02.720 Why is that not happening? 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.480 And to what extent would you attribute that to the 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.000 donor class of the Democratic Party? Do you think that's 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.120 who's in the ear of truck Schumer, stopping him and 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.720 other high profile Democrats from going all in with a 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.800 sense of conviction, first of all on the war powers 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.080 question and then on the question of the war itself. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.040 I think it's the foreign policy hawks in the belt 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:26.160 Way that people listen to. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.000 I'm sure there is. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.760 I mean, Schumer wasn't for the Obama nuclear deal. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.000 So Obama neclearion. He was one of the cheerleaders for 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:34.600 the war in Iraq. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.640 Like, how are these people still around with credibility of 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:38.240 Ford policy? 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:39.640 Why should we care at all? 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:40.920 Should he resign. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:42.959 Another war in the Middle East? 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.520 Like why did you think he resigned? Congressman? At this point, it. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.320 Almost doesn't matter. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.319 He should be seen as totally irrelevant, like the average 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.559 person on the street had more. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.520 Common sense at the Middle East than Chuck Schumer. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.760 Chuck Schumer's record on the Middle East is opposing Obama Iran. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.640 Deal is cheerleading George W. Bush to get into a 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.280 war in ira is now having nonsensical statements about Tim 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:09.880 Kaine's war power resolution. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.840 Why does he matter on this debate? What does matter? 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:13.959 You know? 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.560 People say, oh, go on podcasts, go on theovon, and 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.720 they're usually thinking about it from an electoral perspective, And 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.480 of course they're right that we should be going on 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.040 these podcasts. But you know why they should go on 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.280 theovon because Deal levonn talks to truck drivers and talks 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:32.040 to folks or working in construction and industry and young 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.319 kids or recent college graduates, and he's reflecting what most 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.520 Americans are thinking about issues. Agree with him or not, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.760 And he is saying overwhelmingly, people don't want another war. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.000 They're afraid that they may get called up and have 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.600 to serve in Iran. They're concerned about the costs. They're 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.040 wondering why we're not spending that money in time in 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.040 the United States. And I feel like instead of listening 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.400 to the people at Basing Chuck sure where maybe this 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.360 party should be listening to people who are talking to 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.960 theobon and we do much better in terms of building 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.200 a coalition, and we one need these ridiculous twenty million 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:08.760 consultant studies that are going. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.160 To go to the same people that are advising Chuck Schumer. 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.640 Unbelievable And I wanted to ask you about this though. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.120 We've got Thomas Massey sponsored the War Power Resolution. You're 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.199 one of the you know, the lead co sponsors here. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.760 There's no other Republicans on it though, So for all 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.800 the talk of America, first, you know the split in 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.959 MAGA et cetera. And there's zero Republicans on the Senate 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.439 version of it. So what is the reluctance here? What's 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:29.840 going on? 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:31.439 You're right? 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.280 I mean at the base of MAGA, I would say 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.200 at least a third of them don't want this war. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.080 And you have very outspoken people like Tucker Carlton, like 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.560 Steve Bannon, like marsh Leay Taylor Green. What they're saying. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.400 The reason they're giving for us for not getting on 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.280 this War Power Resolution as well, there's not a war. Well, 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.360 don't you think traders should weigh in before there's a war. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.080 I mean, also there is a war. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.720 I mean, that's just a nonsense way of thinking about it, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.080 but go ahead, yeah. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.360 I mean they're saying, well, we haven't struck Iran yet, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.840 that the United States hasn't tried now. Ted Cruz admitted 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.240 on that Pepper Carlton tape that the clip that we 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.840 are helping Israel in the bombing of a run. But 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.880 the point is that they're trying to avoid the issue 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.400 because they don't want to get in the cross heres 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.880 of Donald Trump. I believe that the pressure is going 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.600 to build on the MAGA base for some of these 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.880 Republicans to break and look, people say it doesn't matter. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.440 I do think the fact that Trump is saying now, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.079 I'm going to wait two weeks is partly a recognition 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.480 that the bunker bombs may not even achieve the objective. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:35.679 But it's also. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.920 Partly a recognition that a lot of the MAGA base 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.600 is upset and he's hearing the anti war sentiment. And 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.720 if the Democratic Party was unified in our opposition, maybe 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.240 we could actually prevent this war. I mean, it would 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.120 influence Donald Trump, who's so susceptible to where public opinion 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.240 is it is not just a lack of leadership for 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.680 how do we win? It's an actual moral moment. Like 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.800 you're in Congress for these big decisions, and the vast 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.959 majority of members of Congress have just been solid. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:07.200 Yeah, go ahead, Ryan. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.080 So, just speaking of going on THEO Vaughn, have you 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.360 reached out all to Bannon or Tucker Carlson to appear 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.839 on their program, because that seems like the kind of 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.240 seal that hasn't been hasn't been broken yet. But if 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.640 you listen to you know, as you have been lately, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.680 a lot of you know, Tucker Carlson, like you know, 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.520 eighty percent of the time he's making he's making a 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.520 lot of sense. Then he goes then yeah. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.200 Tucker, and on some of the clips, I'm just concidered 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.440 b I go on, He's going to start asking me 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.200 the population of every country. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.800 Do your job and study. I have no sympathy. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.120 You can handle that a little better, guy. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.600 But also if you say, look, I don't want to 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.600 invade that country, therefore I don't need to know their population, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.840 but you know, I do. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:55.920 Think we need to. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.640 I mean, I'd be open to going on. But more importantly, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.400 I think we need to be sharing their clubs, sharing 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.680 what they're saying. Again, I was on CNN and they 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.240 thought they had a gotcha question saying, oh, that means 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.880 you agree with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlton, And yes 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:14.600 it does. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.640 On this issue, I agree with them, and. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.920 I'm hoping that they actually can convince some of the 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.080 Republicans to get. 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.160 On one of the things. Congressmen, I know you're on 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.360 the Senate Armed Services Committee, so maybe you can speak 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.600 a little bit to this. There has been now open 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.280 questioning by Donald Trump and actually a lot in the 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.320 open source environment as to whether these massive ordinance penetrators 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.920 could even accomplish the goal of taking out the fourdoh 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.720 nuclear facility. So I'm wondering, you know, based on your 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.440 own knowledge, I'm sure you've said in briefings and others, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.400 what your assessment of this easy strike which is being 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.360 pushed by the Sentcom Commander Carilla, and what the reality 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:52.760 of something like that could look like? 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.400 Well, based on. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.960 Public information, I don't know, and I don't think most 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.560 people knows the real issue. I mean, first of all, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.200 maybe it's fifty to fifty over, but it could be 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.360 too deep. Maybe we hit some of it, but don't 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.360 get all of it. And the reality is the best 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.520 case scenario that we hit all of it. We don't 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.560 know how widespread Iran's nuclear capability is. We know that 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.560 they have scientists who can rebuild it. We know they 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.680 have spare centrifuges. You're not going to destroy all of it, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.960 and we know that within a year to three years 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.800 they can start to rebuild their nuclear sites. Then why 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.560 because they're going to then kick out the inspectors. We 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.720 won't even know where they're building it. And the lesson 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.600 they'll draw is the lesson that Pakistan and North Korean 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.560 drove that if you have nuclear bomb you're safe from 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.480 American invasion. If you don't, you could be Livia, Iraq, 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.200 or Afghanistan or Iran. The logic on this makes makes 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.320 no sense for us to get and especially when we 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.480 had a deal where Iran was committed to less than 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.480 five percent in rich Even if they were cheating, let's 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.480 say they were at ten percent fifty percent, they weren't 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.760 at sixty percent, and so the effort needs to be 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:08.960 to get a deal. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.920 I was one of the Democrats, so I got criticized 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.120 for this too. I don't make every call. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:12.280 Right. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.840 I was cheering Donald Trump when he said let's get 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.560 a deal Trump. Schumer was saying, oh, you're making side 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.639 deals with a rod. I was like, great, let him 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:20.360 make a deal. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:20.720 With it, right. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.840 Taco Trump making me no, no, no, let him let 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:25.159 him do. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.720 Taco might be one of the most destructive like things 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.920 that's ever happened to Wall Street. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.880 Yeah, horrible, horrible, All right, Congress, I know we got 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.399 to let you go. Thank you so much for jumping 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.000 on this morning. It's almost craz photography and get your insights. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.000 Thank you, We appreciate it. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:40.520 Take care. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.440 So he brought up the two weeks thing. The White 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.560 House is floating. Caroline Lovitt said, like, oh, Trump's going 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.000 to decide in the next two weeks. I mean, I 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.000 just like, I don't know what do you guys make 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.040 of it, because I just you can't trust anything these 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.040 people say. It could be another faint to just, you know, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.359 let the Iranian sort of relax again before they bomb 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:03.200 them in five minutes. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:04.440 I don't know what's yours. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.119 What I think And this is based on a little 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.760 bit of some people I've had it to is and 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.440 at first time he's at the stage. What we're dealing with. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.320 This is not a normal White House. We are basically 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.600 in the court of Versailles, all right. No one can 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.840 criticize the legitimacy of the monarch. So that's why, you know, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.320 Steve Bannon and Tucker have to target the neo cons 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.239 who were talking with him. Everything is about gaining the 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.840 audience of the king and of the ear of the king. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.280 And the king can vacillate from time to time, but 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.520 his own legitimacy of the throne cannot be called into question. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.960 He's all powerful and he's all knowing. So what's really 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.240 happened I think over the last couple of days is 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.119 I can say equivocally the Bannon lunch was a pivotal moment. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.520 So Steve Bannon was yesterday at the White House, had 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.159 lunch with Donald Trump. I don't think he said anything 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.159 different in his private comments than he did publicly. So 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.600 that's very encouraging, and that did lead to the so 0:18:58.720 --> 0:18:59.840