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I began to find solace in the stories 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.120 of women who had made these big career decisions and 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.840 then found success and happiness and their change. I began 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.080 to realize that so many women had pivoted due to 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:51.360 personal reasons, and they still found success through non traditional paths. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.600 This new show celebrates these stories, and I'm so excited 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:05.840 to bring them to you with she Pivots. She was 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.040 on track to become one of the youngest black female 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.239 editor in chiefs in history when she decided to leave 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.840 it all behind due to burnout at just twenty five. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.040 Ty Beauchamp left behind her booming career in fashion publishing 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.120 to pursue things that fed her mind. In spirit, she 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.400 turned her burnout into one of her many pivots. Now 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.080 over twenty years later, she divides her attention between Thie 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.840 Life Media and Brown Girl Jane. So what exactly led 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.760 to Ty's burnout and how did she turn it into 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:48.280 the biggest pivot of her life. So justice at the stage. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.160 What is your name and what do you do? My 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.240 name is ty Beauchamp and what do I do? I 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.160 do a lot of things. I think first and foremost, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.920 I try and empower and inspire women. And in terms 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.800 of titles, one of the co founders of Brown Girl, 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.400 Jane founder of Thai Life Media, I'm a host, I'm 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.800 a producer. Yeah. So that's actually not the preferred way 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.240 that you like to be introduced or introduce yourself to people. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:19.120 You like to ask people who are you? Yeah, you see, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.480 I was really uncomfortable when you asked me. I was like, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.040 what do I do? Yeah? I think it's a it's 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.839 you know, we live in a society where, you know, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.040 we're constantly asked what we do, and we are now 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.200 about to enter you know what. Social scientists and anthropologists 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.720 are deeming the next global epidemic of loneliness. And I 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.120 think that's because we don't connect humanly as humans and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.320 ask who you are and really, how is your spirit? 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.400 How is your heart? You know, where are you in 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.599 your body and in your and so I don't know 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.680 it just it just makes sense to me. It makes 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.599 sense to me. And I also I think I'm a 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.360 person who is intentional about wanting to see people, and 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.760 so it feels right. But I think I've always felt 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.800 something within me that felt different. So I think I 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.919 always just had this thing, that thing of wanting to 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.320 understand people, wanting to connect with people in a genuine way. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.120 I don't know. I'm just very curious about who we are, 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.320 especially as we evolve, and especially as becoming more seasoned 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.600 woman myself. I'm just really curious to understand who people 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.880 are and want them to feel like their best selves, Like, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.480 how do we inspire, empower them and equip people, like, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.040 because people need tangible things to be their best selves. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.400 To really understand who Tie is and the catalyst for 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.880 her pivot, we have to go back to when Tie 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.520 was just out of college, coming off an internship at 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.440 Good Housekeeping. My first job out of college when I 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.599 was twenty two was at Oprah magazine. So I started 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.000 a magazine publishing actually while I was in college because 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.880 I was able to intern quite a bit. So I 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.440 started publishing when I was twenty years old, So that 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.880 was publishing. The goal was the goal to be the 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.320 yashion editor in Yes, Yes, that was definitely the goal. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.880 Then when I started, you know, at in publishing, I 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.360 definitely thought I was on pace to become an editor 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.800 in chief, and I thought I would probably have that 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.440 job for the rest of my life while doing some 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.120 other things. I always thought entrepreneurially, so I always thought 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.880 about creating, but I saw that as like that, that's it, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.640 that's the pinnacle. And Ty had a solid foundation. She 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.640 had previously worked at magazines like the Oprah Magazine, Harper's Bizarre, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.000 and more. This gave her the experience she needed to 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.599 truly launch into her dream career and become that editor 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.400 she had always imagined. At the time, I had become 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.400 the beauty director at seventeen magazine, and I was twenty 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.400 five years old, and I was the first African American 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.400 and youngest in history or in recent history at that 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.480 time to have this title. So by all accounts outward 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.480 looking in you know, I'm this, you know, young vibrant 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.200 girl about town, live in my sex in the city, life, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.080 my best life, and had this incredible job with incredible 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.679 access and with incredible excess. Also quite frankly at the time, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.760 and I remember going into these spaces and having great 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.960 conversations with some people and being with others who were 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.760 just like caught up in their own personal matrix and 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.080 no judgment now because I'm on a different side, you know, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.520 and just feeling like, you know, how do I juxtapose 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.560 this to the life that I was born into, as 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.480 you know, a child born to young parents in Newark, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.800 New Jersey. How do I juxtapose this to the fact 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.640 that my parents, my mom and my stepdad are educators 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.040 in Newark, New Jersey, and I'm living this incredible life 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.000 of excess, but also knowing that my parents have kids 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.240 at our house often, and like, what does that look like? 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.120 And so I started to really ask myself, like the 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.720 title that people see isn't really like what I'm feeling 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.080 on my innermost self. I you know, started my career 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.760 as a magazine editor and had the amazing fortune of 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.600 working on incredible titles like Oh, the Oprah Magazine, Harper's Bizarre, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.240 A Good Housekeeping, where my mentor at the time was 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.520 editor in chief, and went on to work for seventeen 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.320 and by Vixen and Styles. So I've had this incredible 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.160 but I think I started to question a lot and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.920 have some of these deeper questions in a more intimate 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.400 way and in mindful way for myself when I was 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.760 realizing that I was being defined by the title that 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.920 was assigned to me for my job and didn't always 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.040 feel like I had alignment within my spirit self and 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.520 my consciousness of how I reconciled that title in the 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.880 public world. I feel like for myself when I was 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.360 at twenty five, twenty six. You know, for many I 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.319 think young women of our generation, like us, we were 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.440 so career focused that getting to the dream job for me, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.319 I didn't get there, by the way, until I was 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.839 like thirty five, and then I lost it because I 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.520 three kids in three years and couldn't do it. But 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.840 you know, getting to that dream job at twenty five 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.280 seems so incredible that I think I would have done 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.239 anything to keep it, and I would have contorted myself 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.760 to be able to do it because it was a 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.760 different mindset. And now we talk about we talk about burnout, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.559 we talk about self care, we talk about mentalth. We 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.360 didn't talk about it then. So how did you come 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.400 to that realization in that moment that it just you 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.080 were at the height, but it just wasn't for you. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:32.280 The burnout. Burnout not just to figure of speech anymore. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.480 It's actually been declared a legitimate medical diagnosis by the 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:40.280 World Health Organization. It is officially defined as a syndrome, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.440 a syndrome resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.960 been successfully managed. Burnout is when the treadmill keeps going 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.920 but the dopamine runs out, so you just keep running 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.440 even though it doesn't feel good anymore. I mean, and 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.440 I talked about it being burnout, it was burnout for me. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.520 It was burnout, and then trying to reconcile what was 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.240 happening as a result of the burnout, because here here's 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.840 the thing. Burnout is both mental, spiritual, emotional, and it 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:11.679 can also obviously manifest itself physically, right, And so as 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.960 I was experiencing this burnout, I was emotionally drained. I 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.760 was intellectually drained, right because I was working, and I 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.560 was emotionally drained like and then the spiritual, like, the 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.320 spiritual side of me was just like, this is not it, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.280 this is not it. And there were pieces of me 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.800 that wanted to contort and say I'm gonna make this 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.079 happen by any means necessary. And then when the burnout 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.679 touched my spirit in such a way where I felt 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.200 like it wasn't going to be to my greater good. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.560 And then also I had this real kind of crazy 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.920 moment because I was there one moment. Yeah, there was 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.240 this one really crazy moment. So, I mean, I was 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:52.480 a beauty editor, so you know, it's like a journalist obviously, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.400 because you have journalists and integrity, but you're you're also 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.040 playing with makeup and talking to people about science. And 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.800 it was fun work, you know, go on on photo shoots. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.800 It was fun work. It was not supposed to be crazy. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:08.720 It was not supposed to be that. Between all of 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.679 the brands and products samples, Ty began to realize that 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.760 her ability to impact someone's life might lie beyond seventeen. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.040 During her tenure, she had the idea to put real girls, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:24.040 the influencers of their day, next to their models and actresses, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.079 and learned an unlikely lesson with one of those women. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.959 My idea for the beauty pages, and what our then 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.960 etter in chief did is that we put real girls 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.240 on the pages next to models, actresses and all the above. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.520 So anyway, real girl was and her name was Caroline Oh. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.960 Caroline Oh. She was a student at FIT. If you're listening, Caroline, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.680 hit me up because I would love to reconnect with you. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.719 But she came into my office and she said I 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.600 changed her life by sending her to the dermatologist. And 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.240 I thought to myself and again juxtaposing that with the 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.480 fact that my parents, as educators, had kids at our 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.640 house all the time, and I'm thinking, what could I 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.960 do to change these kids live? If I could do 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.439 that for Caroline, you know, what else could I do substantively? 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.880 And then I started to think, like, I've done and 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.240 had these quote unquote achievements professionally, but it's so far 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.640 removed from actually having the type of, you know, grassroots 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.880 connected impact that I wanted. And my spirit spoke to 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.840 me and I was like, I'm out, And you know, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.880 it was hard. It was a very difficult decision because 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:23.320 I know that there were a lot of people at 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.120 Hirst believing in me and really investing in me, as 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.959 they had all of my career. But I knew that 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.160 my emotional wellbeing, my mental wellbeing, my physical wellbeing, especially 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.840 my spiritual wellbeing, was at stake, and so I was 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.480 out well being the first black beauty editor I imagine 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.040 that means that you probably didn't have a lot of peers. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.800 Do you think that contributed to the burnout. I had 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.080 a couple of peers, not very many. Tia Williams, who's 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.760 an incredible writer and author, Tasha Turner who also is 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.400 a journalist. Mickey Taylor, who was more seasoned. There were 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.720 just a few of us. But we didn't talk honestly 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.000 about these things because you didn't speak about it because 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:07.040 you were just glad to in the room number one. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.400 I was acutely aware that though I was in the room, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.000 the room was not necessarily built or intended for me. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.760 I was not white, I was not blonde. I was 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.400 not the daughter or the niece of someone who had 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.240 an affiliation to the company. There was no nepotism. So 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.760 when I entered these spaces, I held back parts of 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.400 me that I thought wouldn't fit, And though conflicted in 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.800 doing so, I had learned to compartmentalize. And so we're 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.240 constantly trying to teach ourselves to be humbled and grateful 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.440 for the experience, but sometimes to the detriment of what 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.520 our truth is. So we didn't have those conversations. I mean, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.440 we talked about like the latest Manolo's, but we certainly 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.120 were not having those conversations at the time. You bring 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.880 up a really good point that it is possible to 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:03.280 have burnout in something you love. For sure, I mean 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.600 absolutely well, And I think that that just goes back 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.600 to what I am so grateful for today, you know, one, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.559 with the work that I do with Brown Girl Jane 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.880 and the work that I do with mourning mindset, and 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.800 just it is okay to feel, you know, And I 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.040 think we're living in a time where there is a 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.320 new global consciousness of what wellness looks like, a celebration 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.520 of individuality around it. So absolutely you can have burnout 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.880 in something that you love, and sometimes that's just another 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.600 part of you saying to you, look at me, restore me, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.640 you know, support me. And so, if you're experiencing it intellectually, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.840 what is your creative side saying to you? If you're 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.680 experiencing emotionally, what is your spirit side saying to you? 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.400 And so I think, yeah, they're not mutually exclusive at all. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.760 I definitely felt that when I step back from my 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:58.040 political career because of having three kids so close in age, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.880 that I loved you. I thrived off of it. It 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.280 was my identity. I felt like I was doing good 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.520 work that helped people's lives, and so I think it 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.240 made it harder for me to accept that I was 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.480 burnt out from it and that I wasn't able to 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.280 continue doing the work at the level I wanted to do. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.560 It's would actually I had to rethink the whole thing. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.680 I couldn't I couldn't keep doing it, and so it's 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.280 still hard for me to not be to not have 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.840 that same mindset that I had because when I stepped 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.280 back from the political career, I didn't know what a 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.560 next step could look like. Did you feel like you 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.960 knew where you wanted to go when you step back 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.440 from the editor job? Not at all? And I actually 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.800 and thank you for sharing and for being so transparent 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.280 about that, because I think so many of us do 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.880 wrestle with knowing that it's time to go somewhere, but 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.520 not knowing exactly how to get where we want to go. Now, again, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.120 remember what I did know that I wanted to do 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.120 is that there was this spiritual side and what ultimately 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.840 equated for me philanthropic work that I wanted to do. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:04.960 So I knew somewhat of the direction I wanted to 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.440 go into, so I spoke with my mentor and I 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.840 ended up becoming a consultant to his family foundation, where 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.720 I did very different works, starting a program in Newark, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.000 New Jersey and developing partnerships with organizations like Prudential and 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.320 others and what have you, in order to support high 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.240 school kids on their job writing a journey. At any rate, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.720 you know, doing that was a step in the right direction. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.720 But I did not plan to start a business. I 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.160 did not plan to become a consultant outside of that. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.040 I only thought I was going to do it for 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.440 one year. But what I was open to, and this 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.880 is what I think is really critical about pivoting. When 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.080 we talk about the idea of pivoting to go from 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.400 one thing that can seem super drastic or different to 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.360 another is get to that pivot, and if you're not 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 certain about it, lean into that very heavily and ask, like, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.000 what is being taught to you there, Like what other 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.200 sides of you have you not tapped into that you 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.240 really want to tap into more, And how can you 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.720 bridge the gap between what you were doing historically. I 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.520 don't want to oversimplify it, but I think oftentimes we 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.320 become paralyzed because we're so concerned with what the next 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.199 move looks like, and we're also comparing it to what 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.160 the previous move looked like. I remember very consciously saying, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.199 I'm going from this tower of an office to a 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.960 little cubicle in this comprehensive high school. I had to 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.879 lose my attachment to that identity. We talked about it 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.959 at the beginning like this title. So all of that 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.239 exercise really ultimately led me here right ultimately knowing that 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.880 I wanted to create and build something as I did 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.600 with the job writing a training program or the magazines, 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.199 to impact and elevate women and for them to feel spiritually, emotionally, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.679 professionally well and healthy, and so looks it's working well. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.879 I think that's part what's so interesting about this moment 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.920 that we're in culturally right now. The things that tied 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.600 you down now feel like it's all kind of blown up, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.119 but there might be incredible things that come out, and 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.159 so you free yourself from what had been holding you 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.639 before to explore those sides. Did you feel like you 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.760 were able to tap into the thing that you were 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.600 reaching for in that moment with that first job that 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.520 you took after the magazines or did it was it? 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.760 Did it come after that? Now? I think I tapped 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:22.080 into it, like very very quickly. You know. I've always, 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.760 like I said, my family are all educators, and so 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.800 I've always loved school and education and teaching and the 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.960 idea of teaching and learning. And I was given some license, 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.160 in some leeway in my new role to carve out 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.240 what that meant for me. And so that tapped into 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.199 what I had done historically, because I've always worked on 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.280 launches or relaunches, and so it was always about building. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.600 And then I got a call to come back into 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.199 being editor in chief for Vibe Vixen magazine, and I 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.440 was able to when I went in to talk about 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.000 this role connect immediately that I wanted it to have 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.399 this less of a hierarchical kind of like dissemination of 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 information in this ground swell. And this was in two 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.760 thousand and six or two thousand and seven, and that's 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.160 how that magazine then was rebirth, you know, with this 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:12.120 consciousness of connection to community while also being this editorial 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.680 inspiring platform. Do you think that was the beginning of 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.800 working philanthropy into the different businesses that you've had and 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.280 where did you go from the editor in chief of 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.960 Vibe Vixen. Yes, to answer your first question, I do 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.560 think that it was definitely a catalyst for a lot 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.560 of things, a philanthropic role. I was only in corporate 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.560 really for five years of my career. I definitely know 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.480 that it was like an entry point for me because 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.200 it helped me to tap into what I knew about 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.960 building creative spaces as an editor and working on these 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.720 launches relaunches. It also taught me business because I was 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.320 working with my mentor, Raye Chambers, so I worked directly 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.440 with him for eight years, so I was able to 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.000 learn business as well with him, and then I was 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.280 able to apply that when I was always consulting with 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.760 the Family Foundation, and so even when I became an editor, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.400 I went that was the beginning of my entrepreneurial thing. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.560 I said to the magazine, I can come in three 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.359 days a week and I continue my consulting work with 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.200 the Foundation in New York, so that way I could 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.080 stay connected to the young people in order to inform 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.960 the content that we were then designing at the magazine. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.440 And so when the magazine folded, I continued to consult 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.320 and I continue to consult with that with the foundation, 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.119 but then I also took on additional clients and you 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.280 know p andngs and what have you around brand narrative 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.520 and brand storytelling. And then that is what jump started 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.320 my television career because as I was doing a lot 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:38.359 of this brand consulting work with beauty, entertainment media and 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.639 fashion brands, Procter and Gamble invited me to become a 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.399 spokesperson for them. So then I became more visual, but 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.840 I was always producing the content behind the scenes too, 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.760 which a lot of people didn't realize. And love both 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.159 of them, yeah, so it definitely was a gateway for me. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.119 It helped me to understand that, you know, business doesn't 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.679 have to be this space that is you know, unhealthy 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:05.720 and toxic and unkind and not fair. 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