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I began 44 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: to realize that so many women had pivoted due to 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: personal reasons, and they still found success through non traditional paths. 46 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: This new show celebrates these stories, and I'm so excited 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: to bring them to you with she Pivots. She was 48 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: on track to become one of the youngest black female 49 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: editor in chiefs in history when she decided to leave 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: it all behind due to burnout at just twenty five. 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Ty Beauchamp left behind her booming career in fashion publishing 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: to pursue things that fed her mind. In spirit, she 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: turned her burnout into one of her many pivots. Now 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: over twenty years later, she divides her attention between Thie 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Life Media and Brown Girl Jane. So what exactly led 56 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: to Ty's burnout and how did she turn it into 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the biggest pivot of her life. So justice at the stage. 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: What is your name and what do you do? My 59 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: name is ty Beauchamp and what do I do? I 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: do a lot of things. I think first and foremost, 61 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I try and empower and inspire women. And in terms 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: of titles, one of the co founders of Brown Girl, 63 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Jane founder of Thai Life Media, I'm a host, I'm 64 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: a producer. Yeah. So that's actually not the preferred way 65 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: that you like to be introduced or introduce yourself to people. 66 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: You like to ask people who are you? Yeah, you see, 67 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: I was really uncomfortable when you asked me. I was like, 68 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: what do I do? Yeah? I think it's a it's 69 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: you know, we live in a society where, you know, 70 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: we're constantly asked what we do, and we are now 71 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: about to enter you know what. Social scientists and anthropologists 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: are deeming the next global epidemic of loneliness. And I 73 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: think that's because we don't connect humanly as humans and 74 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: ask who you are and really, how is your spirit? 75 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: How is your heart? You know, where are you in 76 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: your body and in your and so I don't know 77 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: it just it just makes sense to me. It makes 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: sense to me. And I also I think I'm a 79 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: person who is intentional about wanting to see people, and 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: so it feels right. But I think I've always felt 81 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: something within me that felt different. So I think I 82 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: always just had this thing, that thing of wanting to 83 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: understand people, wanting to connect with people in a genuine way. 84 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just very curious about who we are, 85 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: especially as we evolve, and especially as becoming more seasoned 86 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: woman myself. I'm just really curious to understand who people 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: are and want them to feel like their best selves, Like, 88 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: how do we inspire, empower them and equip people, like, 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: because people need tangible things to be their best selves. 90 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: To really understand who Tie is and the catalyst for 91 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: her pivot, we have to go back to when Tie 92 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: was just out of college, coming off an internship at 93 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Good Housekeeping. My first job out of college when I 94 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: was twenty two was at Oprah magazine. So I started 95 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: a magazine publishing actually while I was in college because 96 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: I was able to intern quite a bit. So I 97 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: started publishing when I was twenty years old, So that 98 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: was publishing. The goal was the goal to be the 99 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: yashion editor in Yes, Yes, that was definitely the goal. 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Then when I started, you know, at in publishing, I 101 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: definitely thought I was on pace to become an editor 102 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: in chief, and I thought I would probably have that 103 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: job for the rest of my life while doing some 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: other things. I always thought entrepreneurially, so I always thought 105 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: about creating, but I saw that as like that, that's it, 106 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: that's the pinnacle. And Ty had a solid foundation. She 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: had previously worked at magazines like the Oprah Magazine, Harper's Bizarre, 108 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: and more. This gave her the experience she needed to 109 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: truly launch into her dream career and become that editor 110 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: she had always imagined. At the time, I had become 111 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: the beauty director at seventeen magazine, and I was twenty 112 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: five years old, and I was the first African American 113 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: and youngest in history or in recent history at that 114 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: time to have this title. So by all accounts outward 115 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: looking in you know, I'm this, you know, young vibrant 116 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: girl about town, live in my sex in the city, life, 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: my best life, and had this incredible job with incredible 118 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: access and with incredible excess. Also quite frankly at the time, 119 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: and I remember going into these spaces and having great 120 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: conversations with some people and being with others who were 121 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: just like caught up in their own personal matrix and 122 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: no judgment now because I'm on a different side, you know, 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: and just feeling like, you know, how do I juxtapose 124 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: this to the life that I was born into, as 125 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, a child born to young parents in Newark, 126 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: New Jersey. How do I juxtapose this to the fact 127 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: that my parents, my mom and my stepdad are educators 128 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: in Newark, New Jersey, and I'm living this incredible life 129 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: of excess, but also knowing that my parents have kids 130 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: at our house often, and like, what does that look like? 131 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: And so I started to really ask myself, like the 132 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: title that people see isn't really like what I'm feeling 133 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: on my innermost self. I you know, started my career 134 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: as a magazine editor and had the amazing fortune of 135 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: working on incredible titles like Oh, the Oprah Magazine, Harper's Bizarre, 136 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: A Good Housekeeping, where my mentor at the time was 137 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: editor in chief, and went on to work for seventeen 138 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: and by Vixen and Styles. So I've had this incredible 139 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: but I think I started to question a lot and 140 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: have some of these deeper questions in a more intimate 141 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: way and in mindful way for myself when I was 142 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: realizing that I was being defined by the title that 143 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: was assigned to me for my job and didn't always 144 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: feel like I had alignment within my spirit self and 145 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: my consciousness of how I reconciled that title in the 146 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: public world. I feel like for myself when I was 147 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: at twenty five, twenty six. You know, for many I 148 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: think young women of our generation, like us, we were 149 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: so career focused that getting to the dream job for me, 150 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: I didn't get there, by the way, until I was 151 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: like thirty five, and then I lost it because I 152 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: three kids in three years and couldn't do it. But 153 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, getting to that dream job at twenty five 154 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: seems so incredible that I think I would have done 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,239 Speaker 1: anything to keep it, and I would have contorted myself 156 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: to be able to do it because it was a 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: different mindset. And now we talk about we talk about burnout, 158 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: we talk about self care, we talk about mentalth. We 159 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: didn't talk about it then. So how did you come 160 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: to that realization in that moment that it just you 161 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: were at the height, but it just wasn't for you. 162 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: The burnout. Burnout not just to figure of speech anymore. 163 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: It's actually been declared a legitimate medical diagnosis by the 164 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: World Health Organization. It is officially defined as a syndrome, 165 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: a syndrome resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not 166 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: been successfully managed. Burnout is when the treadmill keeps going 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: but the dopamine runs out, so you just keep running 168 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: even though it doesn't feel good anymore. I mean, and 169 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: I talked about it being burnout, it was burnout for me. 170 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: It was burnout, and then trying to reconcile what was 171 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: happening as a result of the burnout, because here here's 172 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: the thing. Burnout is both mental, spiritual, emotional, and it 173 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: can also obviously manifest itself physically, right, And so as 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: I was experiencing this burnout, I was emotionally drained. I 175 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: was intellectually drained, right because I was working, and I 176 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: was emotionally drained like and then the spiritual, like, the 177 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: spiritual side of me was just like, this is not it, 178 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: this is not it. And there were pieces of me 179 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: that wanted to contort and say I'm gonna make this 180 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: happen by any means necessary. And then when the burnout 181 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: touched my spirit in such a way where I felt 182 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: like it wasn't going to be to my greater good. 183 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: And then also I had this real kind of crazy 184 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: moment because I was there one moment. Yeah, there was 185 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: this one really crazy moment. So, I mean, I was 186 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: a beauty editor, so you know, it's like a journalist obviously, 187 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: because you have journalists and integrity, but you're you're also 188 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: playing with makeup and talking to people about science. And 189 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: it was fun work, you know, go on on photo shoots. 190 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: It was fun work. It was not supposed to be crazy. 191 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: It was not supposed to be that. Between all of 192 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: the brands and products samples, Ty began to realize that 193 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: her ability to impact someone's life might lie beyond seventeen. 194 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: During her tenure, she had the idea to put real girls, 195 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: the influencers of their day, next to their models and actresses, 196 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: and learned an unlikely lesson with one of those women. 197 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: My idea for the beauty pages, and what our then 198 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: etter in chief did is that we put real girls 199 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: on the pages next to models, actresses and all the above. 200 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: So anyway, real girl was and her name was Caroline Oh. 201 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: Caroline Oh. She was a student at FIT. If you're listening, Caroline, 202 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: hit me up because I would love to reconnect with you. 203 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: But she came into my office and she said I 204 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: changed her life by sending her to the dermatologist. And 205 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: I thought to myself and again juxtaposing that with the 206 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: fact that my parents, as educators, had kids at our 207 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: house all the time, and I'm thinking, what could I 208 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: do to change these kids live? If I could do 209 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: that for Caroline, you know, what else could I do substantively? 210 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: And then I started to think, like, I've done and 211 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: had these quote unquote achievements professionally, but it's so far 212 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: removed from actually having the type of, you know, grassroots 213 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: connected impact that I wanted. And my spirit spoke to 214 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: me and I was like, I'm out, And you know, 215 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: it was hard. It was a very difficult decision because 216 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: I know that there were a lot of people at 217 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: Hirst believing in me and really investing in me, as 218 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: they had all of my career. But I knew that 219 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: my emotional wellbeing, my mental wellbeing, my physical wellbeing, especially 220 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: my spiritual wellbeing, was at stake, and so I was 221 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: out well being the first black beauty editor I imagine 222 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: that means that you probably didn't have a lot of peers. 223 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: Do you think that contributed to the burnout. I had 224 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: a couple of peers, not very many. Tia Williams, who's 225 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: an incredible writer and author, Tasha Turner who also is 226 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: a journalist. Mickey Taylor, who was more seasoned. There were 227 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: just a few of us. But we didn't talk honestly 228 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: about these things because you didn't speak about it because 229 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: you were just glad to in the room number one. 230 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: I was acutely aware that though I was in the room, 231 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: the room was not necessarily built or intended for me. 232 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I was not white, I was not blonde. I was 233 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: not the daughter or the niece of someone who had 234 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: an affiliation to the company. There was no nepotism. So 235 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: when I entered these spaces, I held back parts of 236 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: me that I thought wouldn't fit, And though conflicted in 237 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: doing so, I had learned to compartmentalize. And so we're 238 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: constantly trying to teach ourselves to be humbled and grateful 239 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: for the experience, but sometimes to the detriment of what 240 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: our truth is. So we didn't have those conversations. I mean, 241 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: we talked about like the latest Manolo's, but we certainly 242 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: were not having those conversations at the time. You bring 243 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: up a really good point that it is possible to 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: have burnout in something you love. For sure, I mean 245 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: absolutely well, And I think that that just goes back 246 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: to what I am so grateful for today, you know, one, 247 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: with the work that I do with Brown Girl Jane 248 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: and the work that I do with mourning mindset, and 249 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: just it is okay to feel, you know, And I 250 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: think we're living in a time where there is a 251 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: new global consciousness of what wellness looks like, a celebration 252 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: of individuality around it. So absolutely you can have burnout 253 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: in something that you love, and sometimes that's just another 254 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: part of you saying to you, look at me, restore me, 255 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, support me. And so, if you're experiencing it intellectually, 256 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: what is your creative side saying to you? If you're 257 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: experiencing emotionally, what is your spirit side saying to you? 258 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: And so I think, yeah, they're not mutually exclusive at all. 259 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: I definitely felt that when I step back from my 260 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: political career because of having three kids so close in age, 261 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: that I loved you. I thrived off of it. It 262 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: was my identity. I felt like I was doing good 263 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: work that helped people's lives, and so I think it 264 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: made it harder for me to accept that I was 265 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: burnt out from it and that I wasn't able to 266 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: continue doing the work at the level I wanted to do. 267 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: It's would actually I had to rethink the whole thing. 268 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't keep doing it, and so it's 269 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: still hard for me to not be to not have 270 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: that same mindset that I had because when I stepped 271 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: back from the political career, I didn't know what a 272 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: next step could look like. Did you feel like you 273 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: knew where you wanted to go when you step back 274 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: from the editor job? Not at all? And I actually 275 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: and thank you for sharing and for being so transparent 276 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: about that, because I think so many of us do 277 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: wrestle with knowing that it's time to go somewhere, but 278 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: not knowing exactly how to get where we want to go. Now, again, 279 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: remember what I did know that I wanted to do 280 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: is that there was this spiritual side and what ultimately 281 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: equated for me philanthropic work that I wanted to do. 282 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: So I knew somewhat of the direction I wanted to 283 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: go into, so I spoke with my mentor and I 284 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: ended up becoming a consultant to his family foundation, where 285 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: I did very different works, starting a program in Newark, 286 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: New Jersey and developing partnerships with organizations like Prudential and 287 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: others and what have you, in order to support high 288 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: school kids on their job writing a journey. At any rate, 289 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, doing that was a step in the right direction. 290 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: But I did not plan to start a business. I 291 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: did not plan to become a consultant outside of that. 292 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: I only thought I was going to do it for 293 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: one year. But what I was open to, and this 294 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: is what I think is really critical about pivoting. When 295 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: we talk about the idea of pivoting to go from 296 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: one thing that can seem super drastic or different to 297 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: another is get to that pivot, and if you're not 298 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: certain about it, lean into that very heavily and ask, like, 299 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: what is being taught to you there, Like what other 300 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: sides of you have you not tapped into that you 301 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: really want to tap into more, And how can you 302 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: bridge the gap between what you were doing historically. I 303 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: don't want to oversimplify it, but I think oftentimes we 304 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: become paralyzed because we're so concerned with what the next 305 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: move looks like, and we're also comparing it to what 306 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: the previous move looked like. I remember very consciously saying, 307 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: I'm going from this tower of an office to a 308 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: little cubicle in this comprehensive high school. I had to 309 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: lose my attachment to that identity. We talked about it 310 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: at the beginning like this title. So all of that 311 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: exercise really ultimately led me here right ultimately knowing that 312 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to create and build something as I did 313 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: with the job writing a training program or the magazines, 314 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: to impact and elevate women and for them to feel spiritually, emotionally, 315 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: professionally well and healthy, and so looks it's working well. 316 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: I think that's part what's so interesting about this moment 317 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: that we're in culturally right now. The things that tied 318 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: you down now feel like it's all kind of blown up, 319 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: but there might be incredible things that come out, and 320 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: so you free yourself from what had been holding you 321 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: before to explore those sides. Did you feel like you 322 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: were able to tap into the thing that you were 323 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: reaching for in that moment with that first job that 324 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: you took after the magazines or did it was it? 325 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Did it come after that? Now? I think I tapped 326 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: into it, like very very quickly. You know. I've always, 327 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: like I said, my family are all educators, and so 328 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: I've always loved school and education and teaching and the 329 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: idea of teaching and learning. And I was given some license, 330 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: in some leeway in my new role to carve out 331 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: what that meant for me. And so that tapped into 332 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: what I had done historically, because I've always worked on 333 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: launches or relaunches, and so it was always about building. 334 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: And then I got a call to come back into 335 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: being editor in chief for Vibe Vixen magazine, and I 336 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: was able to when I went in to talk about 337 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: this role connect immediately that I wanted it to have 338 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: this less of a hierarchical kind of like dissemination of 339 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: information in this ground swell. And this was in two 340 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: thousand and six or two thousand and seven, and that's 341 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: how that magazine then was rebirth, you know, with this 342 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: consciousness of connection to community while also being this editorial 343 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: inspiring platform. Do you think that was the beginning of 344 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: working philanthropy into the different businesses that you've had and 345 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: where did you go from the editor in chief of 346 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: Vibe Vixen. Yes, to answer your first question, I do 347 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: think that it was definitely a catalyst for a lot 348 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: of things, a philanthropic role. I was only in corporate 349 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: really for five years of my career. I definitely know 350 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: that it was like an entry point for me because 351 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: it helped me to tap into what I knew about 352 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: building creative spaces as an editor and working on these 353 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: launches relaunches. It also taught me business because I was 354 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: working with my mentor, Raye Chambers, so I worked directly 355 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: with him for eight years, so I was able to 356 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: learn business as well with him, and then I was 357 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: able to apply that when I was always consulting with 358 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: the Family Foundation, and so even when I became an editor, 359 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I went that was the beginning of my entrepreneurial thing. 360 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: I said to the magazine, I can come in three 361 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: days a week and I continue my consulting work with 362 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: the Foundation in New York, so that way I could 363 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: stay connected to the young people in order to inform 364 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: the content that we were then designing at the magazine. 365 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: And so when the magazine folded, I continued to consult 366 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: and I continue to consult with that with the foundation, 367 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: but then I also took on additional clients and you 368 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: know p andngs and what have you around brand narrative 369 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: and brand storytelling. And then that is what jump started 370 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: my television career because as I was doing a lot 371 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: of this brand consulting work with beauty, entertainment media and 372 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: fashion brands, Procter and Gamble invited me to become a 373 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: spokesperson for them. So then I became more visual, but 374 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: I was always producing the content behind the scenes too, 375 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: which a lot of people didn't realize. And love both 376 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: of them, yeah, so it definitely was a gateway for me. 377 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: It helped me to understand that, you know, business doesn't 378 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: have to be this space that is you know, unhealthy 379 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: and toxic and unkind and not fair. And so those 380 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: are all principles and values that I carry with me now. 381 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: As you know, founder of Morning Mindset and Thigh Life 382 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: Media and co founder of Brown Girl Jane. It's it's 383 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: you can do well and do good. Tired of ads 384 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: interrupting your gripping investigations. 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Here was this woman 402 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: who had already done one hundred different things now creating 403 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: new opportunities for herself and for others. Thaie Life Media 404 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: is a multi brand agency focused on helping to tell 405 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: stories and help brands to be energized around community and 406 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: telling those stories as a part of Thaie Life Media. 407 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: This whole new venture has just started to take off 408 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: called Morning Mindset with Thie. It's a daily motivational, inspirational, 409 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: productivity conversation I like to have every single morning on 410 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: IG at six fifteen ampst. And we also had an 411 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: experience so well have the Morning Mindset with Ti Hiken 412 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: experience and that right now is a monthly series that 413 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: is taking place here in LA but also traveling now 414 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: and partnering with organizations and corporations to help galvanize women 415 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: around mindset. Good morning, Happy Monday. Everyone, Welcome to Morning 416 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: Mindset with Thie. This is where we come together and 417 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: we set our hearts, our intentions on being great for 418 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: the day. And then thirdly, I have Brown Girl Jane 419 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: and I'm a co founder of Brown Girl Jane and 420 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: I am chief brand Officer at Brown Girl Jane. And 421 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: Brown Girl Jane is a vegan beauty and wellness brand 422 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: that is there to elevate your mood and create anti 423 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: stress solutions for your every day and we were founded 424 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: by myself and my co founders Malika Nia Jones, who 425 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: are biological sisters, were all Spelman sisters, and we are 426 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: here to change the face of wellness. How did you 427 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: connect with them and decide to launch this brand together? 428 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: So Malika and I went to college together. Her sister, Nia, 429 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: also went to Spelman College, but not at the same time, 430 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: so I knew Malika. We were reconnected actually through another 431 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: Spellman's sister who Malika. Nia had started to plan out 432 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: this idea for this brand and they were like, you know, 433 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: we really do want another co founder. And Malika and 434 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: I got together. We had a couple of meetings, we 435 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: talked a little bit. I was actually at this crossroads. 436 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: This was before COVID, right before COVID started. We had 437 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: started having conversations about six months before, and I was 438 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: really in this place of transition. I was between New 439 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: York and LA At the time, I was producing and 440 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: hosting a travel show, so that was traveling like crazy, 441 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, I really wanted to put my 442 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: teeth into something. I really wanted to sink my teeth 443 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: and see like what we could do to build something new, 444 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: but something tangible. See, the other thing about my other 445 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: businesses is that it's either a service oriented business or 446 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: it's a brand individual oriented business. So it requires me 447 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: a physically, and I've always just been really curious, since 448 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: my beauty editor day is about products, I've always envisioned 449 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: going into product and probably multiple times. First and foremost, 450 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: we share values. We share enthusiasm for celebrating and honoring 451 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: black women. We saw a mutual white between us, a 452 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: mutual white space where you know, wellness solutions for women 453 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: as a whole may be talked about for black and 454 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: brown women, the conversation around wellness just isn't there. I 455 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: was also experiencing this, So timing was all there, and 456 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I was also very intentional about wanting partnership in my 457 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: next venture. I've been a solopreneur for you know, at 458 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: that point thirteen years and now it's fourteen years, sixteen 459 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: years now, and I was, you know, exhausted of doing 460 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: it on my own. You know, I'm still not married yet, 461 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: and so being a single woman, unmarried single woman, I 462 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: just you know, had started to think about like partnership 463 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: all the way around, and so I was really excited 464 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: to partner with them. Yeah, but so you did launch 465 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: the business just as Covid was hitting literally staying at 466 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: a girlfriend's house on her couch when COVID hit because 467 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: I had moved my stuff out of my place here 468 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: in LA, had gone back to New York because I 469 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: was shooting a travel show and I ended up in 470 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: New York for like seven weeks, and then I wasn't 471 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: sure whether I was coming back to LA to move 472 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: or just coming back for work. So it was it 473 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: was crazy. All this time, Malika, me and I are 474 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: having conversations about, like, you know, when I'm coming on 475 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: in the timeline, I just really knew that there was 476 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: so much alignment around, you know, what we could do, 477 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: and wanting to start a product was always something and 478 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: just partnership is just key, you know. And for me, 479 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: I realized that having partnership in life and in work 480 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: is a good thing, you know, and you can still 481 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: be badass at the same time, I think, you know, 482 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: we have to also be intentional about how we navigate 483 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: and manage the narrative around us having to do it 484 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: all and celebrating that all the time. You know, you 485 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: can still be a feminist and woman woman is and 486 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: still want support and so partnership I think is really 487 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: key for me at this juncture and understanding that for myself, 488 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: ties intend to focus on partnership expanded beyond her business 489 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: and her relationships as she began to think about freezing 490 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: her eggs. She was in her mid thirties, and, like 491 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: so many women, had focused on her career so much 492 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: that she hadn't spent too much time thinking about it. So, 493 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: just like with tie life media, she knew that if 494 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: she wanted something, she'd have to create it for herself. 495 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you, up until that point, I didn't 496 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: think about it hardly ever, And that's what I want, 497 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, and hope young women will ascertain from me 498 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: sharing so much is you know, I waited until I 499 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: was thirty three to actually be like, oh, yeah, I 500 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: freeze my eggs. And then even after I froze my eggs, 501 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh I froze my eggs. I froze 502 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: my eggs. And you know, it wasn't really until recently 503 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: where I am at a place where I'm like, I 504 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: really am ready to lean into those other aspects of 505 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: my life. And I think young women having this information 506 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: and knowledge from all different aspects and understandings is so 507 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: healthy so that you can think about it. And I 508 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: just don't know. I when I was at age, I 509 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: was thinking about a lot of things, and so I 510 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: feel like I got to thirty five and froze the 511 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: eggs because it's like, oh, yeah, this sounds like a 512 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: great idea, and it's insurance, and I need insurance, and 513 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: that's how I look at it as insurance. I still 514 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: haven't decided if I would ever have a family on 515 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: my own, or even if I'll need the eggs. I 516 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: just think it's healthy that truths come out and women 517 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: have an option to think differently for themselves, and also 518 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: great that we have options now, yeah, that we can 519 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: think about it. I mean that was really, honestly the 520 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: purpose of this whole show, that trying to open up 521 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: the curtain of how we factor in our personal decisions 522 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: into our professional narratives. And so in that sense, do 523 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the personal and professional factor at the same time for 524 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: you or do they kind of take turns. I am 525 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: revisiting them right now in real time, because I was 526 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: told that professional has always taken priority. I don't want 527 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: that to be the case. I'm also at a place 528 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: where this is not what I desire. I want to 529 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: build businesses. I want to continue to impact the world, 530 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: but I want to do so as if I'm a 531 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: forty four year old woman who has worked her ass 532 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: off and also doesn't need to work at that pace anymore, 533 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: and also knows like my genius and my ability to 534 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: do operates at a higher frequency, and I want to 535 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: that's where I want to be, and I want to 536 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: spend more time investing in the areas where I haven't 537 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: invested as much. And because I have partners and great teams, 538 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: two shout out to my team members that then it 539 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: would take turns. But I think, you know, again, it's 540 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: about the options, and I don't feel that overwhelming sense 541 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: of you know, joy and saying I'm doing all the 542 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: things anymore. Hearing you say that you want to make 543 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: more space for the personal, because right now, at the 544 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: place that I am in my life right now with 545 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: three toddlers, I worry about the kind of judgment that 546 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: I get or would get if I was with people 547 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: who weren't in a similarly situated position. So to hear 548 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: you say that, just as a professional woman, that you 549 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: also want to prioritize that personal and it makes me 550 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: feel more comfortable engaging in business in that way. Do 551 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: you find that with your business partners, with the people 552 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: that you work with now for sure, A lot of 553 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: our team or West Coast bas so, we all flew 554 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: in because we launched this business during COVID and one 555 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: of our team members is works on our product development 556 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: and her son is with her. He came to dinner 557 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: and that's fine. I think, you know, Malika is a 558 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: mother of three. I think that that's also what makes 559 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: what we're building so dynamic because we have this insight 560 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: and intel. I mean, you know, it's the real identity 561 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: and real sense of what and who we are. We 562 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: want to shift narratives around what wellness looks like. If 563 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: we don't have insight in data points as a brand 564 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: and as a business of what that actually looks and 565 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: feels like, how can we be a solution? Right? And 566 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: so us having you know, women with dynamic experiences as 567 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: a beauty and wellness brand, supporting women with dynamic experiences 568 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: is essential. Well, it's clearly working and connecting because even 569 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: though you launched a beauty brand during COVID, it took off. 570 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: You had huge success. Congratulations from the beginning, big success 571 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: just with the brand and also with the brown Girl pledge. 572 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the Brown Girl swap was a call to 573 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: action that is still very much alive. Continue it hashtag 574 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: brown Girl Swap on Instagram, where we challenged everyone to 575 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: give up five of their everyday beauty and wellness brands 576 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: for brands owned by black and brown women. Yeah, it's 577 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: been incredible. I think well wellness, I think resonates with everyone. 578 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: You know, even though our brand focuses and tells and 579 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: narratives of centering, you know, multicultural women, all women and 580 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: even men love our brand. And we love that because 581 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: the conversation around wellness is never any more relevant than 582 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: now and during COVID or on the heels of COVID, 583 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: we were voted Refinery twenty nine Beauty Innovator of the Year. 584 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, Thank you Refinery. We were voted to 585 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: wwd's Wellness Power Player List fifty top power players along 586 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: the likes of some major major brands. So we're deeply humble. 587 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: We have more than thirty five plus billion and media impressions. 588 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: We launched the Black Beauty and Wellness Summit, wanting to 589 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: elevate conversations around what it means to be a black 590 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: woman entrepreneur on the heels of everything that was happening 591 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: during the summer of twenty twenty with George Floyd and 592 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: wanting to also be a part of the solution that 593 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: we know that the way that we're going to really 594 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, close this racial you know, economic divide is 595 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: through economic opportunity. And so when you support black women businesses, 596 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: what you're in fact doing is actually building community and 597 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: helping society to advance. And we have a grant initiative 598 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: with Shame Moisture and Unilever where we've granted four hundred 599 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: and five plus thousand dollars to twenty eight black women 600 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: owned businesses. In that moment in twenty twenty, when you 601 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: launched it, I felt like every brand was crawling all 602 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: over tripping all over themselves trying to either highlight what 603 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: they had done for the black community, their black staff, 604 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of promises were made. How do you 605 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: feel like that looks two years later? It was in 606 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: a it was at a conference a couple of weeks ago, 607 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: and this conversation came on. Performative marketing has always been there. 608 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: It's always been asn't you know someone who has spent 609 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: twenty plus years in the media industry. Unfortunately a lot 610 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 1: of things are promised and very little happens. Any change 611 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: that we're going to see, any institutionalized change that we're 612 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: going to see, cannot happen seasonally. It cannot it cannot 613 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: happen during certain months, only February being one of them, 614 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: or you know, it can't happen seasonally. This is an 615 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: ongoing thing, and so unfortunately, you know, as someone who 616 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: knows the space and also as someone who runs a 617 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: business that is deeply connected to community three hundred and 618 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: sixty five days a year, both Brown Girl Jane and 619 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: Anti Life Media, you know, the way that any anything 620 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: is really going to happen on a consistent basis requires 621 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: consistent investment, consistent awareness, you know, changing your hiring practices. 622 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: So how do I think we've measured up. I haven't 623 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: done a case by case report. I think some people 624 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: have done extremely well. We've seen some institutional advancements in 625 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: some place and in others perhaps a little less. When 626 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: you were talking, when I started thinking about I started thinking, yeah, 627 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: what am I doing? How can I what can I 628 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: do in my own position? So I love the swap 629 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: because I think it feels incredibly tangible and doable. Five 630 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: seems like a good amount of products we're all thinking 631 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: about using our consumer spending, I think more than we 632 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: ever have. So being intentional in that way I think 633 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: feels really very tangible and realistic and I think can 634 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: also make a big impact. I mean it's a huge category. Yeah, 635 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: it's a massive category. I mean US and global just 636 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous. But the thing is that the consciousness 637 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: has to be seated there and consistently watering. And I 638 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: also say, like from a philanthropic standpoint, I encourage people like, whatever, 639 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: whatever your cause is, your cause doesn't have to be 640 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: the same thing as mine. I do think that there 641 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: is wonderful when there is unity and you know, collective 642 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: kind of like movement and support. But whatever you know 643 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: resonates with you, Because when it resonates with you, that's 644 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: when you'll commit. That's when it won't seem like a chore. 645 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: And can you explain the philanthropic piece of your business now? Absolutely? So. 646 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: We actually we haven't been public about it, but we've 647 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: launched our Brown Girl Jane Foundation, and so we're on 648 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: a mission to really advance the wellness of black and 649 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: brown women and multicultural women here in the US to start, 650 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: but we're definitely thinking global, but you know, a percentage 651 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: of all of our proceeds go to support organizations that 652 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: either work with black and brown women around health and 653 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: wellness or advocacy around cannabis and the plant. Because our 654 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: first collection harnessed the power of CBD, we are also 655 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: working on something that will provide more tangible resource to 656 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: black and brown women in order to support their mental 657 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: health and wellness. That's all I'll say. Just know, some 658 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: really great announcements are coming down the pipe. So what 659 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: is something I asked this of all of my guests, 660 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: and I'm excited to hear your answer. What is something 661 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: that at the time you thought felt like an insurmountable problem, 662 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: but now that you look back on it, you actually 663 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: now view as maybe putting you in a positive direction. 664 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: I was a caregiver to my grandmother. My grandmother fell 665 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: and broke her neck in two thousand and six, the 666 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: same year I launched the business. And I was a 667 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: caregiver to my grandmother along with my beautiful mom for 668 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: thirteen long years. And it was very hard. And now, actually, 669 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: when I look back and I think about me saying 670 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: that I didn't focus on my personal life. I didn't 671 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: focus on my love life as much with intention, but 672 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: I did have my family that I was incredibly focused 673 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: on being a caregiver at such a young age. You know, 674 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: becoming a caregiver at twenty eight years old seemed very 675 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, insurmountable for a long time. But I think 676 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 1: now looking back, not only did it expand my capacity 677 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: to do a lot of things, but it also created 678 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: in me a real appreciation for or the sacrifices that 679 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: my grandmother made and and you know, just rich legacy. 680 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: And that is the reason why I say that that's 681 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: been so important and critical for me, because that's a 682 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: big driver for me. I remember having the conversation with 683 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: my mom because I was visiting my grandmother every single 684 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: day at the nursing home, and I said, look, if 685 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: I take this job as then the editor of VI Vixen, 686 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: I was already consulting, if I take this job, you know, 687 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't know my schedule, and you know my grandmother 688 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: would be in and out of the hospital. No, I 689 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: think it was you know, and even when my grandmother 690 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: passed just a couple of years ago, I know that 691 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: those transitionary seasons like ultimately are birthing seasons as well. 692 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. Thank you so much. It's been such 693 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: a pleasure having you. I feel like I've learned. I mean, 694 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: is this I that was so good? Ty still lives 695 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: in la and somehow juggles her work with Thie Life Media, 696 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: Morning Mindset and Brown Girl Jane. She is a motivator, innovator, 697 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: and bridge between so many women in communities. Her philanthropy 698 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: has impacted the lives of thousands of women of color, 699 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: and she is continuing to expand that work every day 700 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: despite her impressive roster of pivots. 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