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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, How does it all unfold and

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: So many facts we are finding out now, But big question,

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Speaker 1: where's the murder charges? Why? Just concealment? With me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down put it back

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Speaker 1: together again. Ashley Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, anchor Court

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Speaker 1: TV at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Karen Start, New York

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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen Start dot com. Founder of the Coldcase

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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, also crime scene tech doctor, Kendall,

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Speaker 1: Crown's Deputy medical examiner, Travis County Austin telecommunications expert out

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Speaker 1: of Raleigh ben Levitan. But right now to the reporter

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Speaker 1: News dot Com. Nate Eate Nate, just give it to

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Speaker 1: me in a nutshell? All right, where's the murder charges

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Speaker 1: I think that you can anticipate murder charges eventually. Right

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Speaker 1: now police are putting together their case very meticulously, as

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Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Laurie's brother was also there based on his

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Speaker 1: because isn't it true, Ashley Wilcot, we need to charge

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Speaker 1: buzzards or anything that would give somebody a heads up

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Speaker 1: that something was dead on that property. Well, the reality

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Speaker 1: is Chad day Bell is a former grave digger, so

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Speaker 1: the man knows how to dig a grave. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, we are talking about cult mom Laurie

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Speaker 1: Valle's children Tyali and JJ, positively identified by their remains

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Speaker 1: in her fifth husband's backyard. Chad at day Bell. So

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Speaker 1: far only charges of concealment and destruction of evidence that

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Speaker 1: would be the children's bodies. Now, if you listen carefully,

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Speaker 1: you heard our boys, a reporter commenting on texts and

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Speaker 1: GPS tracking placing avenging angel brother Alex Cox at the

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Speaker 1: location where the children's bodies were found buried. Why is

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Speaker 1: Alex Cox there and he's only there for like I

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Speaker 1: think it was about two hours. I guess he dropped

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Speaker 1: off the dead bodies and left out to Chad day

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Speaker 1: Belle to hide them. Joining me as a very special guest.

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Speaker 1: You know his name because they always call on him.

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Speaker 1: Telecommunications expert out of Raleigh, ben Levitan at ben Levitan

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Speaker 1: dot com. Ben explained to me how these GPS is

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Speaker 1: like calling them, but it's cell phone tracking could place

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Speaker 1: the avenging angel brother Alex Cox now also dead at

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Speaker 1: that backyard, not just the backyard, but in the same

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Speaker 1: area of the backyard where the bodies have been found.

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Speaker 1: How does that work? It doesn't seem afraid Again, this

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Speaker 1: is the case of the FBI way overstating the facts.

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Speaker 1: Facts are, Nancy. Every time you make a call, or

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Speaker 1: you receive a call, or even a send a text

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Speaker 1: or receiver text, even try to the cell phone company

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Speaker 1: keeps a record of the dayton time you did that,

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Speaker 1: and also give it also records the cell tower to

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Speaker 1: which you were closest at the time. Now we know

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Speaker 1: if Alex Cock made a phone call from Gilbert, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: he was in Arizona. His records for a show that

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Speaker 1: his phone connected to some cell tower and Gilbert. We

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Speaker 1: cannot pinpoint that. All right, This is like a cell

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Speaker 1: tower is a little radio station that all, that's all

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Speaker 1: it is, and it probably goes in in the Idaho area,

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Speaker 1: that probably goes out five miles in every direction. We

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Speaker 1: cannot pinpoint this location. Nancy, I do criminal cases where

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Speaker 1: I'm on the defense against the FBI Cast Department all

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Speaker 1: the time, and this is where they get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: They cannot blow this, okay, So what they can state

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Speaker 1: is he was in Gilbert, Arizona. Then they can state

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Speaker 1: that he was in Idaho. They cannot pinpoint him on

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Speaker 1: that property. With the cell phone records. There is some

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Speaker 1: possibility that he was using his GPS and they just can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it stands to reason that he was on

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Speaker 1: the you know, if they have him off a cell

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Speaker 1: tower and in Rexburg he and that cell tower covers

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Speaker 1: this compound, it stands the reason he was there, but

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Speaker 1: they can't pinpoint him. And Nancy, this is what the

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Speaker 1: FBI it does all the time. This Cast department is

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Speaker 1: about seventeen agents. And you would think when you think

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Speaker 1: FBI cell Phone Lab that they stole a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people from eighteen teen verizons. Not one of these guys, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: has ever worked in engineering or in the cell phone industry.

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Speaker 1: These guys are good guys, are good investigators, but cell

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Speaker 1: phones is not their things. So you know, if they

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Speaker 1: keep pushing to put this on Alex Scott and everything

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Speaker 1: gets playing on Alex Scott, he's dead and no one

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Speaker 1: gets convicted, Nancy, So you have to well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you right there, ben Levitana. I don't

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Speaker 1: disagree with you regarding the cell phone data because locating

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Speaker 1: a mobile phone based on a single cell tower can

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Speaker 1: place the mobile phone in a very broad area, but

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Speaker 1: it cannot pinpoint like within a blot. Now, as the

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Speaker 1: phone connects to more towers than just one cell phone tower,

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Speaker 1: the accuracy improves by using cell tower triangulation, which means

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Speaker 1: three towers. You can assume that from triangle with three points,

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Speaker 1: if you have three towers, it is possible, to my

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Speaker 1: understanding of the science, to locate a cell phone two

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Speaker 1: within an area of about half a mile to three

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Speaker 1: quarters of a mile. Not in this area, Nancy, this

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Speaker 1: is a very oral area. But if there are three

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Speaker 1: cell towers. The address my question, address my question. If

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Speaker 1: there is triangulation between three cell towers, ben Levitan, isn't

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Speaker 1: it true that a cell phone can be id located

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Speaker 1: within about three quarters of a mile. That's not true, Afraid,

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Speaker 1: it's not true. It's an apocaple. Well, I guess you're

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Speaker 1: gonna disagree with the FCC. Okay, the Federal Communications Commission,

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Speaker 1: But all right, I respect your opinion. So let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, Nate Eten, what exactly are they saying about

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Speaker 1: Alex Cox, because I bet you anything, they had GPS

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Speaker 1: track on him as well. Well, they could have had

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Speaker 1: GPS tracking on his phone had he been turned on.

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Speaker 1: They were able to determine that he had visited Chad's

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Speaker 1: property only four times in that you know, two three

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Speaker 1: month period. Two of the visits were very very short.

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Speaker 1: The longest visit was the two hours stay that you

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Speaker 1: mentioned right after the disappearance of one of the kids.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he was going to Chad's every

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Speaker 1: day and it was abnormal. They know that after he

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Speaker 1: disposed of one of the bodies, apparently he stopped at

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Speaker 1: Del Taco for lunch and stayed a few minutes and

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Speaker 1: then went home the rest of the day, so they

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Speaker 1: were able to track his activity, the number of visits

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Speaker 1: that he went out there, how long he stayed based

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Speaker 1: off of whatever activity they were monitoring on hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. So in his life, Alex Cox

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Speaker 1: has been at Chad day Bell's four times, according to

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Speaker 1: his phone. Can you tell me, Nate Atan, how big

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Speaker 1: is Chad day Bell's property. He has a pretty decent side.

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Speaker 1: I'd said it about an acre probably. Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I got it. An acre. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: So do you know if there's more than one cell

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Speaker 1: tower in the area, Nate Eaton, I personally don't know that. Well,

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Speaker 1: you got to find out, Nate. I will find out. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: even though Levitan disagrees with the FCC, according to the FCC,

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Speaker 1: with three cell towers, you can triangulate down to three

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Speaker 1: quarters of a mile. He's been there four times in

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Speaker 1: his life. And tell me, Nate Eaton, the last time

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Speaker 1: that Alex Cox went to Chad Dayville's property where the

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Speaker 1: dead bodies were found. How close in time was that

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Speaker 1: to the children's disappearance. It was the last time JJ

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Speaker 1: was saught. It was the last the next day, the

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Speaker 1: day after jj was last seen. Okay, got it? Got it.

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Speaker 1: One last question regarding Alex Cox's Del Taco launch, was

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Speaker 1: that the day that the children that Jjane Tyley went

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Speaker 1: missing that we know us, Yes, it was that same day.

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Speaker 1: It was the same day after he went to day

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Speaker 1: Bell's house for two hours. And what can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about the bonfire Chad day bill Head going in

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Speaker 1: his house and the timing of that bonfire and the

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Speaker 1: timing of the text to his wife that he shot

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Speaker 1: a raccoon and buried it in the backyard. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the specifics about the bonfires. We do know that

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Speaker 1: neighbors told police that they were having more bonfires. There's

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Speaker 1: a fire pit right in the backyard. One of the

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Speaker 1: bodies was found right near the fire pit. And the

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Speaker 1: timing of the raccoon you seek about this. Had these

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Speaker 1: people left their phones at home or somewhere else, the

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Speaker 1: police may have never found these bodies. But because Chad

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Speaker 1: day Bell sent that text message to his wife around

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Speaker 1: in the eleven o'clock hour that morning, right around the

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Speaker 1: same time Alex was at the house, he sent the

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Speaker 1: message to Tammy saying he saw the raccoon they pulled

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Speaker 1: this off of Tammy's phone, they were able to say

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Speaker 1: that Chad day Bell was doing something with Alex Cox

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Speaker 1: in the backyard that day. He said that he shot

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Speaker 1: the raccoon, he buried the raccoon to cover the tracks,

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Speaker 1: obviously that something was being buried. And then he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to go right. He was going to

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Speaker 1: go right at the university, and Tammy responded and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, fun times are good for you, something like that,

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Speaker 1: and then he said I'm back home. So it was

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Speaker 1: that message to Tammy that placed him that we're able

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Speaker 1: to place him with alex Cox that same day, that

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Speaker 1: same time period, right after the disappearance of Tiley. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we are waiting for additional charges and waiting to find

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Speaker 1: the truth. We are waiting as justice un falls. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,