WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Mike Golic 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.200 Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.920 Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.200 Dave Pash. My guest this week is Mike Golik, one 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.439 of the top broadcasters of all time. He's in the 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.880 Radio Broadcasting Hall of Fame for the terrific show that 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.680 he did all those years for ESPN with Mike Greenberg, 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.000 simply known as Mike and Mike. Golik is still going 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.800 strong in broadcasting, whether it's calling games, hosting a podcast, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.479 appearing on television. We're going to get into that along 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.400 with his thoughts on the Cardinals opponent this week, Philadelphia. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.800 Jalen Hurts. Jalen has been fantastic. 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Please gamble responsibly. Gambling 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.480 problem called one eight hundred. Next step All right, Time 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.480 to talk with former Philadelphia Eagle and a broadcasting legend, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:32.280 Mike Golick. Well, first of all, Mike, tell me what 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:37.119 it's like to be a grandfather. Wow, let me tell 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.839 you it's it's everybody says it's the greatest thing because 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.960 you can just give the kid back, you know, if 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.080 he throws up or if he messes up his diaper. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.440 And I found that to be the truth right now. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.240 Not I imagine at some point I'm going to have 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.920 to change a diaper, But like I did all my kids, 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.160 I change our diapers all the time, you know, all 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.800 the all the things that go along with having a kid, 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:04.000 I did. But with the grandkid, I feel it's my 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.360 responsibility to let my son and daughter in law experience 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.600 all the joys, ups and downs of parenthood, which includes 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.680 cleaning up their throw up and their poop. So that's 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.679 why I give the kid back to them all the time. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.480 I can't wait till my kids have to deal with 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.440 the exploding diaper, the one where it comes up the 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.639 back and goes all the way through the clothes exactly. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.160 And they both have they tell us, I mean, we 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.840 have our group texts are like, oh, Jack's just exploded 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.000 all the way up the back, and we're like, man, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.520 you remember those things. It's just a terrific It's like 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.960 you just gotta douse him in the sink or something. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.480 But I'm glad they're experiencing it. I don't need to 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.160 experience it anymore. Do you remind your son, Mike, who 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.400 you work with now it's crazy and you worked with 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.640 the ESPN. Do you remind him of those days? Does 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.480 he have any memories of any of that stuff? No? No, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.880 I mean there was a time when both of them 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.239 were still in diapers and they were playing and I 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.959 was watching them, and obviously, as a dad watching two 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.240 young kids, I was watching TV Moore, and they proceeded 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.560 to take their diapers off, of which they filled up 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.639 and finger paint one another with their poop. So it 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.200 was it was an experience that I paid the price 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.960 for because I wasn't watching them close enough. But now 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.280 they don't, they don't remember all the way back to 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.880 that stuff. Yeah. Hell, we're still trying to get mike 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.120 a wife into the into fathered them as well. You know, 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.600 he's our oldest. Jake and Sydney are both married. Jake 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.120 as a kid. My wife is spending her days, you know, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.360 trying to get Mikey hooked up. Yeah. Mike is also 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.320 the most active Golik on Twitter. I think based on 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.080 yes all the go I follow most of the goliks, uh, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.440 and I think he's the most active. Um. I would 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.720 ask you, Mike about your your career post ESPN. Not surprisingly, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.040 you are very busy and very successful. You are in 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.080 the Broadcast Hall of Fame. You had arguably the greatest 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.680 talk show in the history of talk radio, and you 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.000 did it for more than two decades with Mike and 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.400 Mike tell our listeners all the things that you are 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.160 doing now post ESPN. Well, you know, last year was 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.840 the first year out. You know, the last games I 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.240 had done the ESPN were with you, you know, and 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.480 I obviously enjoyed doing the games with you like that 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.320 was when I finished at ESPN, and then we've we've 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.280 done some subsequent to that as well. But now, you know, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.680 last year, my first year out of ESPN, I really 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.600 kind of wanted to find out, Okay, what did I 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.440 want to do. Somebody approached me about starting my own 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.320 podcast company, and I thought, man, do I want to 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.960 go down that road? You know, if I was ten 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.000 fifteen years younger, maybe I would. So I hemmed in 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.760 Hodd with that. I'm doing a little more with you know, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.920 lebo Charge Group, with Metal Arca, with Stugott, so I 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.080 keep busy with that. I did college games for Learfield 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.200 and NFL games for Westwood One, so I was kind 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.520 of you know, double gaming and on the weekends, which 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.480 turned out to be a little too much, but I 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.720 was kind of seeing which direction I wanted to go. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.320 And then I signed the deal with DraftKings, like my 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.080 son Mike did as well when he chose that over ESPN. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.360 Draft Games gave him a real nice deal, so we 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.800 worked together there. So I just decided, you know, we'll 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.280 do that, and then I have you know, half the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.040 year I live here in South Bend, you know, at 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.720 Notre Dame that we have season tickets to the Notre 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.800 Dame games, and my wife's like, why don't you enjoy that? 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.880 You know, you worked a long time, you know you've 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.000 been to weigh a lot of weekends. Why don't you 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:40.840 enjoy the fact that we're here and can go to 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.080 the game. So I did. I not call him a 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.240 college game. So I'm just doing the Westwood One NFL games. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.560 I do a podcast for DraftKings, and I do a 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.719 stupotty with two gods. God blessed football was two gods. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.920 And that's enough for me right now. If there's more 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.920 down the line, I'll see, but right now I'm kind 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.400 of good with it. I almost I almost Dave got 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.480 back into morning radio, which would have been would have 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.360 or actually would have been morning TV, but that that 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.360 was an if the thing if I want to get 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.320 up at early again. Can you share what it was 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.200 or maybe you don't have to give all the details, 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.800 but would that have been? I probably can't. I probably 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.080 can't share for what it was, but I would have 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.520 had I would have had to move. And it was 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.400 it wasn't radio at all. It was a morning sports 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.800 TV show that it just didn't work out. It was 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.200 all amicable, and everything, but the toughest part about it. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.559 I've been talking to my wife. I was like, geez, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.520 she's goes you be able to get its four or 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.520 fifteen again. Now obviously I'm almost sixty. It wouldn't have been, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.880 you know, for twenty years this time around. But I've 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.120 kind of gotten used to sleep it until seven thirty 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.440 eight o'clock, so that early wake up call would have 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.840 been interesting. Yeah. Yeah, Well you mentioned that we have 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.159 done some games together since twenty twenty. We did two 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.600 games or three I think together for Westwood won last year, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.839 and you and I saw each other in person more 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.840 then we did in twenty twenty when we worked together 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.719 every week. It was insane. The first time we actually 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.960 saw each other in person was at the festival. All 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.560 the games we did during the college football season, and 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.440 we were doing pretty big games Michigan, Penn State. We 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.600 had Notre Dame a couple of times. And you're in 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.960 the studio in Bristol and I'm in my house. I 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.520 remember putting up a sign on Halloween outside our front door, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.240 which was next to my office where the broadcast studio was, saying, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.040 please do not ring the doorbell during these hours because 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:32.880 I'm on the air, Like, if you need a trick 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.640 or treat, just grab as much candy as you want. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.280 I left it out there so people wouldn't bang on 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.480 the door and ring the doorbell. What was your biggest 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:45.360 takeaway from that experience in that season? My biggest takeaway 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.560 was the fear that your WiFi would go out, which 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.000 I think it did one time for a short time, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.800 and I would be left alone to do like play 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:58.360 by play and color. That was my fear. That was 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.640 the biggest fear that I had. Was was because you 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.280 were in your house. I was at least at the 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.680 studios in Bristol, so I mean I had tons of monitors, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.600 I had everything that I needed outside of not being there. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.120 And we should say our sideline person was at the game. 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.640 They got to be physically at the game. But that 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.920 was probably that you doing it from your house and 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:25.000 all the negative possibilities that could happen when you're trying 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:30.080 to run a national broadcast TV broadcast from your house. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.800 I mean, that was that was pretty wild. But it 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.480 was crazy that we worked the whole season together and 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.920 the first time we saw each other was my last 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.600 game at ESPN. But it was still a lot of fun. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.599 I mean, you know, our job was to call it 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:45.880 like we were there, and I think we did a 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.480 pretty good job of that. Yeah, I think so a 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.040 lot of people had no idea first of all, that 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.160 we weren't there, and then second they had no idea 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.080 that you and I one of us was in Phoenix, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.960 the other was in Bristol, Connecticut. And to your point, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.920 I'm using internet, so and I remember it went down 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.559 and you had to do play by and I think 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.959 it was not like Notre Dame Georgia Tech at like 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.840 three thirty on ABC with five million people watching. Yep, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.160 that's exactly what it was. I remember a producer getting 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.240 in my ear and say, with Dave lost his wife, 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.800 I'm like no, I's like come on. So they said, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.599 you know, just go when we come back, and I 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.760 just kind of did, and luckily it wasn't for long. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.040 But man, yeah, that that's something I would not have needed. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.680 But that that was again, I'm in a big studio, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.480 you're in your house, and God knows you can have 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.680 issues in there, and because you did a lot out 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.320 of your house, and I don't know how many times 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.880 you had issues with it, but that was that was 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.120 a wild, wild time trying to do games. Yeah, I 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.480 did a ton of NBA and college basketball from my house. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.360 And as you know, Mike, I worked with Bill Walton 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.120 in college basketball. And actually there was one time where 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.199 he accidentally turned me down. So nothing can happened in 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.079 my internet, but he thought it did, so he just 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.280 started talking and didn't stop for like ten minutes. I'm 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.240 trying to get his attention, like my Mike's working, I'm 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.079 on the air, but he couldn't hear me. So anyway, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.240 it was. It was quite the year. I'm glad that's 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.719 over with. I'm glad we're back on site. I want 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.040 to get into your thoughts on the Cardinals, on the Eagles, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.840 on the NFL, but I first want to go back 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.640 to since the Cardinals are playing the Eagles. That's one 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.559 of the reasons I wanted to get you on. You 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.240 spent six years in Philadelphia, and I knew and I 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.720 had talked about some of the stuff, just our rides 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.559 to the stadium last year for Westwood and just chatting 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.560 on the phone. What are you What are your fondest 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:33.800 memories of being a Philadelphia Eagle? You know, I quite honest. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.560 I love the fans, and it was and I had 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.080 a real stark contrast with the next team I went 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.439 to that that I'll get to, But I mean, we 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.439 know they're a little bit nuts. They know, we know 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:43.880 they can get a little bit on a hand. Now. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.800 When I was there, it was the old VT where 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.040 the people up in the seven hundred level they you know, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.760 they do some they could do some pretty crazy things. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.520 Sometimes they're not real nice to people who wear the 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.800 other team's jersey when they come in and watch a game. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.160 So there are some things that they go a little 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.200 too far. But I love their passion. They appreciate hard play. 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.400 It's like a blue collar type situation. And as long 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.880 as you're you're busting your butt for them, they'll appreciate that. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.040 And you know, this was before I was in Philly, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.160 before free agency. My last year in the league was 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.080 the first year of free agency when I ended up 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.959 in Miami, so players couldn't move as easily. So we 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.079 had a we had a really great we had a 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:27.240 great defense, but but we were together and nobody was 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.560 really leaving, so we became really good friends as well 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.800 as teammates, so that that was really a cool thing 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.079 to me. Is a lot of times. You know, I 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.240 played nine years and you have like people who were 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.079 teammates with, you're associated with, but you're not really friends. Well, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.120 I had a good amount of friends that I still 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.560 keep in touch with today that we're on the Eagles team, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.559 and and I think a lot of it is the 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.920 time we spent together, the number of years we're all together. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.360 Because it was a lack you know, there was no 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.240 free agency. And then that first year of free agency, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.160 eleven of us were free agents, and all eleven of 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.280 us went somewhere else because Norman Brayman, the owner of 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.320 the Eagles, didn't want to resign anybody. He was an 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.280 absentee owner. He only cared about the bottom line. He 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.240 was never in Philly, and that was here. If anybody 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.280 remembers the biggest free agent, the first one was Reggie White, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.839 who went to Green Bay and they subsequently won a 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.079 Super Bowl there. Think about that. This was ninety three. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.280 I think his deal was in total, I think seventeen 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.679 million dollars in total for Reggie White. You know, put 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.160 that obviously in today in what he would have made. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.440 But in Philly, I mean, no matter what I mean, 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.920 they cheered hard, for us, and they booed you if 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.199 you were if you weren't very good, and I understood that. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.880 I went to Miami Dave the next year ninety three. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.160 We were nine and two at one point had the 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.000 best record at all of football, and we were blacked 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.599 out locally because we couldn't sell the stadium out. So 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.719 you know, there was there was a big difference in 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.000 the heartfelt emotion in Philly and the apathy that was 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.240 in Miami. You mentioned Reggie White. I wasn't going to 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:03.800 go here, but I am curious your take on this. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.320 People talk about Aaron Donald being the best defensive player 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.080 of all time, and Wolf, who I work with, played 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.360 against Lawrence Taylor and he says it wasn't close. Nothing 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.920 against Aaron Donald, but Lawrence Taylor, and I don't know 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.760 that enough people remember how good Reggie White was. I mean, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.439 you played on the same defensive line with him. When 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.480 people say Aaron Donald's the best defensive player of all time, 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.600 what's your reaction. Well, my reaction is, listen, people are 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.839 certainly certainly entitled of their opinion. Here's it because I've 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.640 been asked this, and here's the way I put it. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.520 Reggie White's the greatest D lineman I've ever seen play. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.760 Lawrence Taylor is the greatest linebacker I've ever seen play 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.280 one of the and Aaron Donald is certainly up up 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.400 in that category. The thing about Reggie is you had 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.640 a six six, three hundred fifteen pound free korana four 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.640 six forty lifted all the weights in the world, and 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.840 could line up anywhere on the defensive line. He could 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.880 line up on an end, on a guard, on a center, anywhere, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.920 right side, left side, it didn't matter, and he would 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.040 get the job done. He had a quick step Aaron Donald. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.240 So this is the way I put it. Even in 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:12.240 the Hall of Fame, there are different rooms. There's the hierarchy. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.240 Even in the Hall of Fame, Reggie White and Lawrence 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.720 Taylor are in a special room in the Hall of Fame. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.360 Aaron Donald will be in that room. Now, I still 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.200 will say that, as from a D lineman standpoint, I 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.520 would choose Reggie over Aaron Donald. But again, whenever you're 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.320 saying that, people are like, oh, you don't like Aaron Donald. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.440 Aaron Donald is one of the greatest of all time. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.720 I think Reggie, you know, I would pick Reggie over 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.520 Aaron Donald, but I put them in that same room 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.360 as far as head and shoulders above a lot of 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.440 the other greats that were in this game. I'm trying 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.920 to remember. I mean, your people don't realize how tall 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.200 you are until they see you in person. I think 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.160 you're listed at six to five, but I feel like 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.480 you're taller, and when you played, you were probably what 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.080 two eighty five to ninety Yeah. I got in the 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.560 league at two eighty and left it about three. Yeah. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.840 So you had you and Reggie White standing next to 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.400 each other, both basically at six six, three hundred pounds. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.640 That's that's pretty good. What's your favorite Reggie White story? 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.800 I think you told me about one where an opposing 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.520 player was mfing Reggie White at which guys didn't do, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.960 and I think his teammates warned him, don't do that. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.360 It's just going to get him going. I don't know 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.800 if that's the story. If you have another one you remember, no, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.560 I mean it was it was in a preseason game 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.400 and the tackle after a play, you know, Reggie said 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.680 quit hold me, you know, just in Reggie style, and 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.680 the dude started mf at him, and Reggie was a 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.360 people that they don't know was it ordained minister at 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.240 seventeen years old, and he didn't mind you swearing, but 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.800 don't swear at him. And everybody knew it. Nobody swore 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.920 at him. But this guy was cussing him up and down. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.840 And it's a preseason game so it doesn't count. And 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.440 we were all like, oh my god, what what is 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.560 this guy? Even the guy's teammates were like, dude, what 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.760 are you doing? So they both the huddle on the 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.320 play and I looked at the guard across from me 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.280 and I said, dude, I'm not doing nothing this play. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:09.400 I'm watching. He said, so are weak. He had the 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.880 other four old lineman, me and my other compatriots on 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.480 the d line. We basically got into stance where we 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.200 could just look that way and just watch Reggie. Basically 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.840 we call him putting him on skates, got his hands 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.880 into the dude's chest and basically lifted him and took 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.160 him back, and he sacked of the quarterback with the lineman. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.560 He threw the lineman into the quarterback and sacked him. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.880 As we were all standing there watching and just looked 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.440 at the guy that said, don't you ever cuss me again. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.000 They're like, Wow, I mean, dude, that movie had you know, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.080 the ripping the hump where he rips and then brings 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.160 the arm out and just kind of tosses players. It's 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.840 unreal when you see an offensive lineman go horizontal because 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.640 of the leverage and strength Reggie used to throw him. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.440 It's almost frightening. The Eagles right now, the twenty twenty 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.640 two Philadelphia Eagles, based on what they look like, if 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.280 not one of the best teams, the best team in 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.480 the NFL through the first quarter of a season. I 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.280 don't know how much you've had a chance to watch, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.159 because I know you're working, but you do have to 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.399 be abreast of what's going on with with other teams, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.120 and obviously the Eagles have a special place in your heart. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.400 Are they the best team right now in football? Yes? 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.600 I think they are because they're the most balanced. I mean, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.240 we keep talking about Jalen Hurts and getting a j 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.120 Brown and what DeVante Smith is doing, and that old 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:36.840 line is one of the best in the league, and 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.960 they have a great running game to go with it. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.040 Their defense is playing incredibly well. I think by yards, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.359 I think they're like top three. I think they're third. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.960 I mean, that's why I think they're the best because 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.280 they're balanced. The defense can help keep the in games, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.119 and the offense could control the ball. You know, there 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.919 were two quarterbacks we talked about before the season, Jalen 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.240 and Tua, you know, as to can these guys grab 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.000 a hold of this team and be the quarterback of 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.440 the future for these teams? And right now both have 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.440 been proven like they can do it and Jalen. I 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:12.160 know Twa is injured right now, but Jalen has been fantastic. Now, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.480 Jalen's not going to be a forty touchdown guy, but 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.520 if he can get liked to the low twenties and 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.439 touchdown to mid twenties and keep it at single digit 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.720 interceptions with the running game they have going in the defense, 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.480 they can go far. Their biggest thing, and I'm sure 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.600 the fans are even understand, is that old line occasionally 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.760 gets injured, and if that starts to happen, that could 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.200 be trouble for them, because when they're healthy, that old 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.760 line is damn good. I did a lot of Jalen 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.440 Hurts games when he was in college, did him when 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.439 he played quarterback at Alabama and then when he got 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.160 beat out by Twa and benched in the National Championship Game. 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.520 The next year, he played some running back, and then 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.919 he went to Oklahoma, following Kyler Murray who had followed 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.480 Baker Mayfield. I don't know that anybody, including the Eagles, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.320 saw Jalen Hurts playing this well, and maybe to your 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.080 point is because they're balanced. Did you see this coming 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.879 from Jalen Hurtz? No, No, I did not. I was 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.880 you know, we had talked about, you know, the best 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.200 teams in the in the country and college. You know, 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.960 as both have doing college, it's been like, you know, Alabama, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.919 Ohio State, Clemson and that, and when then we talk 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.520 about the the quarterbacks that we're leaving or from Ohio 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.000 State and Alabama going in in the NFL, and I 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.840 brought up, you know, this is back even before these 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.080 guys came out, when I actually was doing radio and TV, 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.520 I was like, name me the last Ohio State quarterback 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.359 or Alabama quarterback that went high in the draft and 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.440 actually turned out to be great. I mean, you have 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.399 to go back a long way. Now we have justin fields. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.680 We'll see where he goes. Still too early to tell, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.480 and that's a that's a bad offense right now. In Chicago, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.440 you have two, you have jail, and so let's see 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.600 where these guys go. But for the longest time, some 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.359 of the best teams in college that would bring quarterbacks 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.639 into a you know, a high draft pick, we're not 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.760 panning out at all in the NFL. And I definitely 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.640 had my doubts about both Twa and Jayleen. I wasn't sure, 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.199