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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer

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Speaker 1: Dave Pash. My guest this week is Mike Golik, one

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Speaker 1: of the top broadcasters of all time. He's in the

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Speaker 1: Radio Broadcasting Hall of Fame for the terrific show that

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Speaker 1: he did all those years for ESPN with Mike Greenberg,

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Speaker 1: simply known as Mike and Mike. Golik is still going

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Speaker 1: strong in broadcasting, whether it's calling games, hosting a podcast,

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Speaker 1: with his thoughts on the Cardinals opponent this week, Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. Jalen has been fantastic. Now, Jalen's not going

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Speaker 1: to talk with former Philadelphia Eagle and a broadcasting legend,

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Speaker 1: Mike Golick. Well, first of all, Mike, tell me what

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Speaker 1: it's like to be a grandfather. Wow, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you it's it's everybody says it's the greatest thing because

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Speaker 1: you can just give the kid back, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he throws up or if he messes up his diaper.

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Speaker 1: And I found that to be the truth right now.

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Speaker 1: Not I imagine at some point I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: to change a diaper, But like I did all my kids,

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Speaker 1: I change our diapers all the time, you know, all

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Speaker 1: the all the things that go along with having a kid,

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Speaker 1: I did. But with the grandkid, I feel it's my

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Speaker 1: cleaning up their throw up and their poop. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I give the kid back to them all the time.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till my kids have to deal with

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Speaker 1: the exploding diaper, the one where it comes up the

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Speaker 1: And they both have they tell us, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all the way up the back, and we're like, man,

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad they're experiencing it. I don't need to

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Speaker 1: the ESPN. Do you remind him of those days? Does

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Speaker 1: he have any memories of any of that stuff? No? No,

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Speaker 1: ask you, Mike about your your career post ESPN. Not surprisingly,

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Speaker 1: the Broadcast Hall of Fame. You had arguably the greatest

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Speaker 1: And that's enough for me right now. If there's more

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Speaker 1: To me. I had the toughest time figuring them out.

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Speaker 1: There are times Kyler Murray looks like he did last week,

427
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: throwing for two, running for one, being the man, And

428
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: there's other times you're like, what the hell is he doing?

429
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: What is he looking at out there? I can't figure

430
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: that out? And I know they gave him the big money,

431
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: so you know, he he's the guy. I get it,

432
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: but but they're they're a team. To me, I have

433
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: a tough I guess I'll put it this way. I

434
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: have a tough time trusting them to be the team

435
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: I think they can be. I think they should be

436
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: better than they are, and at times they look at

437
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: and at times they don't. So when you do that,

438
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: what do you end up? You end up five hundred,

439
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: You end up a little light. No, you can't. Seventeen

440
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: games a little over five hundred. And we've seen them.

441
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: We've seen them in Plode at the end of the season,

442
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, those last handful of games just struggle. So

443
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: when they came out of the gate struggle a little bit.

444
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure the fans are like, oh no, you know, yeah,

445
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: we do this at the end of the season. We're

446
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: usually really good at the beginning of the season. So

447
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: that's been my take on them, Dave. I mean, I'm

448
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: trying to get a grasp of what I think they

449
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: are and I'm having a tough time. And it really

450
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: starts with Kyler Murray because at times you're like wow,

451
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: and then at times you're like, oh, oh boy. So

452
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it's going to end up on

453
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: a consistent level. The defense has played lights out and

454
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't that way early, but the last couple of games,

455
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: in particular, Vance Joseph who's an excellent coordinator. I think

456
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: is getting used to the pieces he has and where

457
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: to put them to be successful. And one of those

458
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: pieces is a guy that Cardinals drafted in the first

459
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: round last year out of Tulsa, linebacker Zavian Collins. And

460
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: it seems like he's making strides and starting to get

461
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: more and more comfortable as someone that play defense in

462
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I know the era is different, but

463
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 1: I mean, you have been watching football for a long

464
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: time and you're watching multiple games every week. Is that

465
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: normal for an inside linebacker who played at a small

466
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: school now playing against elite athletes similar to himself. He's

467
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: an elite athlete to two hundred and sixty five pounds

468
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: in terms of growing to be more physical and understanding

469
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: the game and the games slowing it down. Is this

470
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: an abnormal path that it's taking to this point or

471
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Speaker 1: is this something we need to probably just let go

472
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: and let it play out for him? No, I think

473
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: he needed to let go, let a playoff, because remember

474
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: remember go all the way back to when players to

475
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: go to college. There are different circumstances on why they

476
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: end up in college and a certain college, and then

477
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: things happen in college. Maybe your growth spurtd you know,

478
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: put on a lot of weight. Maybe it clicks for

479
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: them where it didn't and big time colleges saw that

480
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: and didn't recruit them. There's a number of reasons. Sometimes

481
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: players don't end up at the Power fives. We think

482
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: they do because of the way they start to play

483
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL. They're like, oh my god, how did

484
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: you miss that in college? You know, you grab, you

485
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: grab this guy from Tulsa. You know, why was it

486
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: he at Alabama or one of the you know, well,

487
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: some things happen when you're seventeen, eighteen years old, you're

488
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: getting recruited, and then more things happen when you go

489
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty two. You know where from the mental,

490
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: mental side, the physical side, you just pick it up.

491
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: We've seen players forgetting even Division one, you know FCS

492
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: schools come in and pick up the game incredibly. Well,

493
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: it's just sometimes the path that they're on and when

494
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: it clicks for them. I'm amazing at the size. You

495
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: don't see backers this big much anymore, right, I Mean

496
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: we see Ray Lewis, you know, was big like that,

497
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: and others that were good sized when er Lacker went

498
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: from safety then came to linebacker. He was a big library.

499
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: Guys are smaller now so they can really run sideline

500
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: to sidelines. So when you get a guy that's a

501
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: little bigger and could do those type of things, man,

502
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: that that is something. But back to your point, that's

503
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: something you just let go. There are reasons things happen

504
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: for college. You know sometimes who knows again, who knows

505
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: what they are? But it doesn't surprise me. Not every

506
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: guy that clicks in the NFL. You automatically think, oh,

507
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: that's a that's a qualified guy. All right, couple more

508
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: related to you and then we'll get you out of here.

509
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Not many people realize you're in the Wrestling Hall of Fame.

510
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: You were an incredible wrestler growing up? Were you a

511
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: better wrestler than football player? Meaning if champion state champion

512
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: wrestlers in high school had the same opportunities to excel

513
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: and you know, continue in their sport, could you have

514
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: done that well. First, the the Wrestling Hall of Fame,

515
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm in there as what they call a great American

516
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: because I've staunchly defended wrestling all the time during my

517
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: shows and such. I was a good wrestler, not a

518
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: great wrestler. My brother Bob. My brother Bob was a

519
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: was a great wrestler. I'll say this, I loved wrestling

520
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: as much as football by far. And to answer your question,

521
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: if there was the equivalent to go in wrestling, I

522
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: don't know. There's a there's a chance I may have

523
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: done that. I loved wrestling, loved it. Like I said,

524
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: my brother Bob finished fourth in the nation, and we

525
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: both wrestled at Notre Dame as well. He was fourth

526
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: in the nation is sophomore year, third as junior year.

527
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: He was wearing number one a senior year, but he

528
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: heard his knee in the Cotton Bowl, the famous Chicken

529
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: Soup game when Notre Dame played Houston at the Cotton

530
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: Bowl when it was freezing cold out and he heard

531
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: his knee in that game. So he didn't wrestle because

532
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: he was getting ready for the draft and he wanted

533
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: to try for the Olympics, the eighty Olympics, which it

534
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: turns out we boycotted anyway. But he was drafted in

535
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: seventy nine, and back then you couldn't be a two

536
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: sport person and be in the Olympics. So he was

537
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: a much better wrestler than I was. But I love

538
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: wrestling easily as much as football, and I mean, i'll

539
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: watch it when it's on TV. And so I don't

540
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: know if I can really all out just say I

541
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: would have chosen that over football, but I would have

542
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: thought long and hard if there was an equivalent professional rank,

543
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of follow and in the wrestling pattern,

544
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: because it is I mean, man, it's one on one game.

545
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one on one. It's you and somebody else.

546
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: There are no excuses, there are no teammates to help

547
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: you out. It is you and that person you're wrestling.

548
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it is the ultimate. Well, first

549
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: of all, you are a great American. So perhaps that

550
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: just everybody knows you're great Americans automatically. That's the title

551
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: you get when you go into the Wrestling Hall of Fame.

552
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever consider, you know, pro wrestling

553
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the way it is or does that cheapen high school

554
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: and college wrestling, which is real wrestling as opposed to

555
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: the theatrics. Oh no, no, no, it doesn't cheapen at all.

556
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: It's different. It's not trying to say we're you know,

557
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: a different or ancillary to wrestling. They're completely different. I

558
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: mean it's I love you know, pro wrestling WW and

559
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: all that. Hell, I remember watching the first wrestle Media

560
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: way way way back when I was a huge fan

561
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: of wrestling in all. Honestly, I don't know if I

562
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: was athletic enough to do what they do, flying off

563
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: the ropes, flipping off the ropes, jumping off ladders and cages.

564
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's incredible athletically what they have to do.

565
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: But no, I never I was. I always knew that

566
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: was just completely different. They weren't trying to be regular wrestling,

567
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: and regular wrestling wasn't trying to be them. And then

568
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: you look at you know where it was a great

569
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: outlet for wrestling. It's something I wouldn't have done because

570
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: there's something about getting kicked in the face I don't

571
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: really like. Wrestlers did really well in MMA, yeah, because

572
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: they could go in and they could use their takedown skills,

573
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: get a guy on the mat and then pubble them,

574
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, into submission. So the wrestlers that that became

575
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: a pretty good outlet for them because they really didn't

576
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: have any other outlet, you know, unless they had the theatrics,

577
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, to go into uh um uh wwe and

578
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: that kind of wrestler. They'd go into MMA and they

579
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: would perform really well. You mentioned your brother Bob. Did

580
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you consider acting at all because Bob was in well,

581
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: he was in a lot of things. But one I remember,

582
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in the eighties and nineties was

583
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: saved by the Bell, although I think he was it

584
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: was saved by the Bell the college years that he was.

585
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: He was he was like the ra a right, Yeah,

586
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: ironically his name was Mike in that it was Mike Hodgers. Okay, Yeah.

587
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I never pursued and no, and not not like Bob,

588
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: like Bob, because Bob finished with the Raiders when they

589
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: were in La So Bob made a lot of contact

590
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: out there, and he wanted to stay out there and

591
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: give acting to try and he got that and then

592
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: after that nothing really happened. He ended up going back

593
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. But I never really, never really looked at

594
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: that and said I'm going to pursue this. Right when

595
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: I got out of the NFL, I retired in ninety four,

596
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: and the next year ninety five, I was doing college

597
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: games for ESPN and ABC, and I was doing the

598
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Jacksonville just came into the league. I was there, uh

599
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: TV analyst for preseason games, so I jumped right into that,

600
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, Greening. I ended up being on the Guiding

601
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Light an episode um estn had that What was that one?

602
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: They had that one show players or something like that. Yeah,

603
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: for what it was called, we were We were in

604
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: an episode of that. So I did it. We did.

605
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I did a few things here and there, but it

606
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: was nothing. Nothing I really pursued. All right, last one,

607
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: since you live in South Bend, give me your take

608
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: on Notre Dame and what's going on there. They've had

609
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: a couple of head scratchers this year, well they have,

610
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, first Marcus Freeman is he's thirty six.

611
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, it's unbelievable. So it was a

612
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: weird situation with Brian Kelly leaving. I don't know Roger

613
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: guy for leaving. I mean, it's their right to do that.

614
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: What was weird was that never happens at Notre Dame.

615
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Usually a Notre Dame coaches fired or retires. Brian Kelly

616
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: chose to leave for whatever his reasons were. Money certainly

617
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: one of them, and he had the only thing mission

618
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: from his resume as a national championship, and he felt

619
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: he had a more consistent chance to get it there.

620
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: We'll see at LSU. But Marcus Freeman is a phenomenal guy,

621
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: a fantastic recruiter. All the players are buying in so

622
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: everybody loves them. But even he knows we chat a

623
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: decent amount, and even he knows it doesn't mean anything

624
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: if I don't win. I mean, it's a big time

625
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: college baller comes on the wins of losses. I think

626
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: there may have been an over expectation, even maybe in

627
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the rankings when they were preseason number five. They had

628
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback who didn't play much last year. They didn't

629
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: really have any veteran wide receivers who had done a ton.

630
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: They had the best sight end in the game between

631
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: him and Bowers, a kid from Georgia, they're the two best.

632
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: The old line. You had a couple of young guys

633
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: at tackles. But they did get Harry easton their old

634
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: line coach back, but it was going to take some

635
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: time defensively, you get out Goolden in. So it's a

636
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: while it's somewhat similar, it's still a different scheme. So

637
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I think a mistake I made was I thought they

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Speaker 1: would hit the ground running a lot faster than they

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Speaker 1: did and learning, you know they have they have to

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Speaker 1: grow a little bit and then what a two games

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Speaker 1: and you lose your quarterback. Now you're in your backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's going to take time to develop

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Speaker 1: through the year, and hopefully by the time they get

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Speaker 1: to the Cleansings and the uscs of the world that

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Speaker 1: they're really hitting their stride later in the season. But

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Speaker 1: I do think there's going to be some good things

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Speaker 1: going for Marcus just because kids want to play for him.

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Speaker 1: His recruiting classes the next couple have been number one,

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Speaker 1: number two or number three. So you let those guys

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Speaker 1: come in, get acclimated to the program and see where

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Speaker 1: it can take it. We had them last year at Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Brian Kelly was still the head coach, but in

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Speaker 1: talking with Marcus Freeman and when he was at Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: same thing, whatever production meeting with a really impressive guy,

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Speaker 1: excellent recruiter. I think it's just a matter of time.

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Speaker 1: People got to give him some time. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: I was gonna let you go, but I gotta ask

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Speaker 1: you one more because I was just thinking about this

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Speaker 1: because this movie was on. You know how they on

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Speaker 1: some of the airlines they cycle through old movies and

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Speaker 1: put them on and Rudy. Rudy is on one of

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Speaker 1: the airlines. I can't remember which one it's on. But

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Speaker 1: do people think about Rudy in South Bend the way

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Speaker 1: US outsiders think about Rudy because it's a beloved movie

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Speaker 1: for people that maybe aren't close to the program. What's

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Speaker 1: it like for people in South Bend? Do they revere

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Speaker 1: it the same way we do? I guess as my question, no,

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Speaker 1: I no, I don't think they do. Listen, it's an

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Speaker 1: inspirational story, but I think it's more, you know, people

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Speaker 1: to hear and know the story. I think it's more

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Speaker 1: for those that don't don't know the story and get

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Speaker 1: moved by it. Now I will say it was Hollywood

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Speaker 1: it up a little bit as well. So that's another thing.

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Speaker 1: Because my brother Bob was a freshman, and my brother Bob,

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Speaker 1: when he was a freshman, he was he was a

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Speaker 1: starter on the defense. So Bob was here that year

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Speaker 1: of Rudy, and while the story of him getting into

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Speaker 1: school and all the work he did and gotten everything

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Speaker 1: out on the football field. A lot of it obviously

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Speaker 1: is true, but it was Hollywood it up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: so some of us that know all that kind of

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Speaker 1: went on, you know, you kind of say, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it. You know, it's Hollywood. They got to

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Speaker 1: kind of spruce it up a little bit. But again,

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Speaker 1: to your point, it's not as awe like while here

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Speaker 1: as it is everywhere else when people see it for

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Speaker 1: the first time, Well, listen, man, I knew I could

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Speaker 1: ask you anything and you'd have a great answer. And

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Speaker 1: for people that I think I understood after working with

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Speaker 1: you for a year, even though again we didn't get

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Speaker 1: to really see each other, but we talked a bunch

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Speaker 1: and then spend some time together last year, I can

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Speaker 1: understand why you were so successful and likable on the

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Speaker 1: air and people just and I noticed that when I

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Speaker 1: was with you on some of the Westwood games and

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Speaker 1: also doing college games with you, like all the coaches

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you. Because I think that's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why people have successful shows, because their

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Speaker 1: personality gets to a point where real life comes through.

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Speaker 1: And you saw that with you every day and your family,

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Speaker 1: and it's just one of those things where I think

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Speaker 1: when you're real on the air, people see that and

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Speaker 1: they gravitate to you. And I noticed that just working

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Speaker 1: with you, So I really appreciate that about you. Mike.

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Speaker 1: You're great at what you do. And thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. Man, Oh my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: And listen. I got to thank my kids and they're

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Speaker 1: still trying to get money out of me because I

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Speaker 1: told them at a young age when I did the

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Speaker 1: radio and TV, I'm using them as content. They will

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Speaker 1: be talked about, good and bad for laughs. So I

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Speaker 1: made sure I did that. Oh it's great. Thanks again, Mike,

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Speaker 1: Catch up soon, man. Thanks say. I knew we would

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Speaker 1: be able to cover a variety of subjects with Mike

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Speaker 1: and he would have a great take on all of them,

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Speaker 1: including being a grandfather, not having to change diapers anymore.

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Speaker 1: You could tell just listening to Mike his post ESPN life.

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Speaker 1: Things are going great. Involved in a lot of different things,

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Speaker 1: including calling Sunday night games for Westwood One. He did

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay game the other night, and also discussed

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Speaker 1: his thoughts on his days with the Philadelphia Eagles, playing

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Speaker 1: with Reggie White, his take on Jalen Hurts, and the

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Speaker 1: current Eagles. Like me, he thinks right now, the Eagles

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Speaker 1: are the best team in the NFL, and like me,

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Speaker 1: he's not sure what to make of the Cardinals through

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Speaker 1: four games. But the good news is the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: two and two. They haven't played their best football, Maybe

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Speaker 1: the second half of the Carolina game as a springboard

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Speaker 1: to starting to look like the team we saw the

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Speaker 1: first half of twenty twenty one. We are presented by

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Speaker 1: Thanks to broadcasting legend Mike Golick for his time, and

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Speaker 1: thanks again to you for listening to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast. All Right,