Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is
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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt
Speaker 1: the the Actually my real name is Ben, and I
Speaker 1: promise I won't do that accent anymore. Uh, Matt, I
Speaker 1: can always tell when things are about to get serious
Speaker 1: on our shows, whether it's our video or audio, because
Speaker 1: you've got the uh e, you've got the E smoke going.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry about that. No, it's cool. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderlands. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's the look. I'm going for. Caterpillar with a hookah?
Speaker 1: Is that the That's that explains so much about our
Speaker 1: profile picks that we're working on. Uh. We are talking
Speaker 1: today about two of my favorite subjects, government secrets and
Speaker 1: the search for psychic powers or just fringe science. Right,
Speaker 1: we're fans that anything on the fringe. You and I
Speaker 1: grew up loving The X Files, loving Twilight Zone, Outer Limits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we even sat through a couple of the downer seasons
Speaker 1: of Fringe. Yeah it happened. I'm on the fifth season.
Speaker 1: By the way, how are you still watching it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I kind of finished it. Okay, Well, please don't spoil it.
Speaker 1: I won't tell me. Hey, I you know what, the
Speaker 1: writers did a good job, good enough job spoiling our help.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that. Oh no, I'm kidding. It's it's
Speaker 1: one man's opinion. But when we are talking about these things,
Speaker 1: we naturally go to one of the coolest subjects we've
Speaker 1: talked about in a while, which was the Soviet version
Speaker 1: of mk Ultra. I mean, that's what we call it
Speaker 1: on the show, right, Yeah, Well, it's also the Soviet
Speaker 1: version of Project Stargate. Yeah, it's it's got a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities to the weirdness that our own the U.
Speaker 1: S Government was doing. Now, what was Project Stargate. Project
Speaker 1: Stargate was basically, again trying to make psychic soldiers in
Speaker 1: the US, trying to figure out a way to unlock
Speaker 1: this weird mind body connection that was considered pseudoscience by
Speaker 1: even a lot of people who were doing it. But
Speaker 1: but they wanted to make sure that it wasn't real,
Speaker 1: you know, so that perhaps we talked about in the
Speaker 1: episode that if if it is real and we just
Speaker 1: aren't spending the money to research it and one of
Speaker 1: our enemies does, then we're in a whole heap of trouble. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when we were talking about psychic powers, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you guys, I like specifics were specifically talking
Speaker 1: about UM. One of one of the biggest things they
Speaker 1: researched on the u S side was out of body experience.
Speaker 1: Is it possible to train people to train soldiers or
Speaker 1: intelligence operatives to travel remotely and to somehow perceive things
Speaker 1: thousands of kilometers away viewing man? That was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest pushes. Yeah, that's the term remote viewing. Ingo
Speaker 1: Swan one of the biggest guys in this UM, and
Speaker 1: I used to when I was a kid. I had
Speaker 1: those Time Life mystery books that talked about Ingo Swan
Speaker 1: at length. And it's interesting because Swan maintains that he
Speaker 1: really has a legitimate ability to do this, and other
Speaker 1: people have worked with him have argued the same thing,
Speaker 1: but not all of them, And quite a few people
Speaker 1: have said, well, the reason that this was shut down
Speaker 1: is because ultimately we just found out that there was
Speaker 1: no real ability to do this, or that even if
Speaker 1: this ability existed, it was not applicable or used bow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't accurate enough, right, which is kind of
Speaker 1: what um Sony was it. Sony kind said when they
Speaker 1: shut down, there's their ESP program. Yep, true story. You guys.
Speaker 1: Sony had an ESP program. That's the story for another day,
Speaker 1: and they used it in in all of their CD technologies.
Speaker 1: As we see, it's crazy it actually says ESP on
Speaker 1: there you remember that having that No, that's perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point because it's it's uh, it's strange.
Speaker 1: We that's one of the things that you and I
Speaker 1: didn't believe when we first started reading it. We were
Speaker 1: convinced that ESP stood for some other acronym, you know,
Speaker 1: like Electronic Sound provider or something like that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this this one was a real ESP program, and the
Speaker 1: US of course had them as well. Uh, the Soviet
Speaker 1: ideas were very friends. Um. Now, a lot of this
Speaker 1: that comes to us comes from recently to classify documents,
Speaker 1: and they are just the the tip of a red
Speaker 1: iceberg here. Huh, you know, but they are. I just
Speaker 1: I wrote it down earlier, so I wanted to try
Speaker 1: it out. Uh. But these these programs, um, if the
Speaker 1: information we're getting can be trusted began in nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: which is the year of the Russian Revolution, so it
Speaker 1: predates the USSR, and that's interesting to continue to two
Speaker 1: thousand three officially, which is even more interesting to me.
Speaker 1: And they did research in a different way. Their research
Speaker 1: was meant to be a little more quantitative rather than qualitative, right,
Speaker 1: so they measured the UM. They they wanted to walk
Speaker 1: away with concrete numbers and compare and compile and realize, uh,
Speaker 1: these pieces of data so that they could figure out
Speaker 1: if there was really something going on. And a lot
Speaker 1: of their experiments focused not so much on remote viewing
Speaker 1: as they did on UM the idea of electro magnetic
Speaker 1: or electrochemical fields. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That it's that that
Speaker 1: free energy that's been searched for since we figure since
Speaker 1: man has figured out that there is energy or there's
Speaker 1: some kind of electricity or power that you can harness
Speaker 1: in the environment, and there's so many people who have
Speaker 1: looked for it and failed to find it, at least
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Tesla arguing, yeah, and uh, we we
Speaker 1: know that the we know that the government of the
Speaker 1: time in the USSR was on board with a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff. And you can see some fascinating photographs
Speaker 1: of devices that people have built with the idea that
Speaker 1: they would harness this energy through things called serpan um
Speaker 1: strange looking things. They look like thermos is almost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They had their cylindrical with these handles, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Some of them were strapped two people. Some of them
Speaker 1: were simply held, uh. The idea being that if all
Speaker 1: living things emanate this field in some way, then we
Speaker 1: could build something that would aggregate and apply or direct
Speaker 1: this energy. And they were directing it with the with
Speaker 1: the hope of doing things like um, having plants grow
Speaker 1: faster was one producing neurological effects, so having someone's brain
Speaker 1: function be affected in some way, which is frighteningly vague. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, oh man, but that that would be
Speaker 1: great if you could somehow really send out in an
Speaker 1: enhancing intelligence ray with some device that was strapped onto you.
Speaker 1: I guess you need a group of people and if
Speaker 1: it worked the way they thought it would work, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did think it was a cumulative effect. Um. But
Speaker 1: they also they also focused on you know, this was
Speaker 1: one of their most interesting areas of focus and something
Speaker 1: that the US wasn't really focused on. They also used
Speaker 1: these torsion generators. We do have to point out that
Speaker 1: the Russians, or rather the Soviets at this time, did
Speaker 1: have UH psychics that they would conduct tests on, and
Speaker 1: those tests would be some of the same stuff we
Speaker 1: hear in the United States. You know, Uh, the idea
Speaker 1: of whether or not clairvoyance existed, which was not proven satisfactorily.
Speaker 1: The idea whether or not there would be UM an
Speaker 1: ability to predict the future also not proven very well.
Speaker 1: UH telekinesis, which as much as I wanted to be real,
Speaker 1: was not proven. Um. Again, if you believe that any
Speaker 1: of those things truly are real right now listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast, um. And I don't mean to sound like
Speaker 1: an extreme skeptic, because I'm certainly not. As soon as
Speaker 1: I have evidence that shows me that any of those
Speaker 1: things are real, I'm down because I I want to believe,
Speaker 1: just like the old X Files. But you should really
Speaker 1: talk to or listen to James Randy because the guy
Speaker 1: makes some really great points just about how he's offering
Speaker 1: crabloads of money to anybody that can prove this stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yes, the famous one million dollars for
Speaker 1: proof of any uh psychic parapsychological or paranormal phenomenon by
Speaker 1: James Randy and it's a little bit controversial. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do a podcast on that maybe in
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be totally honest
Speaker 1: with you, though this is a part where we might differ.
Speaker 1: I think that it is quite possible that in the
Speaker 1: future we will come to understand a scientific x nation
Speaker 1: or what we perceive, um occasionally to be psychic powers.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't. I don't think somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, telekinesis is real and we just discovered
Speaker 1: it in I think that's preposterous, but could be some
Speaker 1: kind of fourth dimensional time distortion. Right. We understand so
Speaker 1: little about the nature of consciousness, the nature of physics,
Speaker 1: especially at a very small and very large level that
Speaker 1: we are we we don't even we don't even have
Speaker 1: gravity figured out. I mean, if you think about the
Speaker 1: potential span of human history, my friend, we are still
Speaker 1: in the dark ages. So I think I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: a little more optimistic about it. We don't we don't
Speaker 1: have the tools yet to discover the explanations behind a
Speaker 1: lot of these things. Um, or the explanations behind a
Speaker 1: lot of these reports. We do know that there are
Speaker 1: quite a few mundane things that can explain stuff like
Speaker 1: the feeling of deja vu. Has a fairly there's a
Speaker 1: fairly solid theory of what happens in our brain that
Speaker 1: makes us perceive that. Right. They didn't have this when
Speaker 1: they were doing a lot of these Cold War experiments, right,
Speaker 1: and uh, they had some enemies we talked about the
Speaker 1: Academy of Russian Scientists hated these programs because they, you know,
Speaker 1: this was centralized funding. So they said, you government are
Speaker 1: taking funding for real science and applying it to pseudo science. Right.
Speaker 1: But there's a I think there was a bit of
Speaker 1: cynicism in some of these programs. We do know that
Speaker 1: the Soviets also sent people to UH Shanger Law to
Speaker 1: out out to search the UH the steps in and
Speaker 1: uh comb through Tibet for UM. I think propaganda purposes
Speaker 1: more than anything else. I don't think they were really
Speaker 1: out to discover some ancient secrets so much as they
Speaker 1: were to discover some brilliant marketing. Yeah. That would have
Speaker 1: been just a little icing on the cake if they
Speaker 1: had actually discovered something crazy. Yeah, And there's an interesting
Speaker 1: part here when we talk about this, uh, when we
Speaker 1: talk about what they did discover, because here's the weird part.
Speaker 1: We don't know remember any idea. Isn't that always man?
Speaker 1: That is the case so often with us, just because
Speaker 1: we there's so much information that's withheld uh from everyone
Speaker 1: that we kind of get up against this wall. And
Speaker 1: just for if you're a new listener perhaps to the show,
Speaker 1: we really try to not speculate as much as give
Speaker 1: you the information that is there and then you know,
Speaker 1: go maybe a couple of inches over that line, just
Speaker 1: to let you know what we think. There's uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And in this respect, there are some things that we
Speaker 1: can say about Russian UM or Soviet research in these fields.
Speaker 1: We know that, for instance, we know that both a
Speaker 1: former defense minister and UH Prutin himself have talked about
Speaker 1: the future of unconventional weapons. We also know that in
Speaker 1: the West research on these directed energy weapons UH is occurring.
Speaker 1: We know that the technology exists to give people the
Speaker 1: sensation that they are hearing voices, which is freaky, right.
Speaker 1: You haven me to that one, Matt that gives me nightmares.
Speaker 1: We we know it's it's fairly obvious that the actual
Speaker 1: bleeding edge or cutting edge of technology is several years
Speaker 1: at minimum ahead of what the public thinks it is.
Speaker 1: Like one of the latest revelations that just came out,
Speaker 1: which will be a few weeks old now when this publishes,
Speaker 1: which we posted to our Facebook earlier today, was that
Speaker 1: the n s A doesn't need an Internet connection to
Speaker 1: hack a computer anymore, just a radio signal, just needs
Speaker 1: a radio wave and a will gadget about the size
Speaker 1: of a briefcase that some unsuspecting dude is carrying around.
Speaker 1: Oh but don't worry, it's not in the United States, right,
Speaker 1: Sorry everybody else. Yeah, but the but the point we're
Speaker 1: making is that it is completely possible that some of
Speaker 1: this fringe research into really crazy stuff lead to applicable results.
Speaker 1: I like the comparison. I wanted to ask you what
Speaker 1: you think about this comparison. Met um so in alchemy
Speaker 1: right way back in the dark ages, right them, the
Speaker 1: weird hippie uh cultish father of chemistry alchemy people were
Speaker 1: conducting experiments to see what would happen to try to
Speaker 1: create life with a homolocus or it might pronounce that
Speaker 1: yes and uh, trying to explain magic in some ways
Speaker 1: trying to change everything into gold and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. And in most cases, these alchemists did
Speaker 1: not discover what they thought they were discovering, but they
Speaker 1: discovered other things because they were curious and they didn't
Speaker 1: mind getting their hands a little dirty and gold leafed. Right. No, really, Ben,
Speaker 1: we really just need more curiosity, I think, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So they discovered things, not necessarily what they meant to discover,
Speaker 1: but they did find valuable innovations because they were curious
Speaker 1: and they were attempting to be methodical. I think the
Speaker 1: same thing could happen here. I mean, history is lousy
Speaker 1: with examples of people who accidentally discovered something while they
Speaker 1: were doing something else, Like the guy who invented the
Speaker 1: microwave didn't mean to cook food with it. That chocolate
Speaker 1: bar just melted. Yeah, and we have just a small
Speaker 1: inkling of what is actually being discovered. And we know
Speaker 1: we bring up the active denial system right in in
Speaker 1: our video and uh, it's it's freaky, it's pain ray. Uh.
Speaker 1: We still don't know what Russia might have on the
Speaker 1: other side. And it's strange that governments could change but
Speaker 1: the same documents would remain classified. Isn't it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: essentially it's so weird to me the idea that a
Speaker 1: government would change. But your your armed forces are going
Speaker 1: to be fairly similar unless they're involved in whatever whatever
Speaker 1: uprising occurs to change the government if an uprising occurs.
Speaker 1: So if the KGB just took over, yeah, I'm it's
Speaker 1: really interesting with thinking about Sorry, my brain just went
Speaker 1: somewhere completely different. But just the changing of guard between
Speaker 1: different governments. Um, how much of that underlying research or
Speaker 1: that underlying uh technology would still exist? And and I
Speaker 1: would say that it probably would. Oh yeah, we well
Speaker 1: we know that, uh, we know that in the case
Speaker 1: of nuclear technology, um, there were proliferating nukes, and know
Speaker 1: how that we're spreading around as NATO and Russia self
Speaker 1: work to stop the transmission of those um worked finger
Speaker 1: quotes stop finger quotes, but you know they made the
Speaker 1: plight noises. We wanted to let everybody know that there's
Speaker 1: a there's this great document that we read, Unconventional research
Speaker 1: in USS are in Russia A short overview. It's free
Speaker 1: online right now. You can just go and google it.
Speaker 1: The author's name is Serge Kernbach. That's S. E. R. G. E.
Speaker 1: And in this document you'll find a list of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we know they tried, a list of the
Speaker 1: funding and some of the notable scientists. Um. That's where
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole begins. That's your own surface. You can
Speaker 1: find much more interesting stuff in my favorite part about
Speaker 1: that article or the pictures. Yeah, because that's what I
Speaker 1: deal with, and I was able to use a bunch
Speaker 1: of them in our episode. Yeah, we're able to find
Speaker 1: the serpan exactly. Um. And we want your thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: Do you think that government's continue psychic research? Do you
Speaker 1: think it was a big financial boom doggle and people
Speaker 1: were just paranoid. Do you think that you have evidence
Speaker 1: of psychic powers? Because if it checks out, we'll hope
Speaker 1: you win that million dollars. Um. But what we should
Speaker 1: also put up a link on our on our website
Speaker 1: that has uh has some more information about the James
Speaker 1: Randy Price. I have a blog post about it from earlier,
Speaker 1: so you can check it out there. Um. And the
Speaker 1: very last thing I have to do, Mett, could I
Speaker 1: read you some listener mail? Oh? Please do, he says, Hey,
Speaker 1: Ben and Matt, my name's Hugh. First off, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you for providing a superlative source of irudition
Speaker 1: regarding stuff theyn't want you to know. Nice prodigious appropriation
Speaker 1: for the wide range of topics addressed, as well as
Speaker 1: the obvious in depth research conducted. Uh. That was interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for stepping it up vocabulary wise there you. Secondly,
Speaker 1: I wonder if you'd be interested in covering their knowing
Speaker 1: complicity IBM played in the annihilation of millions of Nazi
Speaker 1: concentration camp prisoners during World War Two. Now, this is
Speaker 1: something that you and I have talked about before, right Matt, Yes,
Speaker 1: yes we have, and uh it's a It's another one
Speaker 1: of those heavy subjects. But I'm interested as much as
Speaker 1: you is. I'd like to tackle it as well. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great suggestion. Hugh calls it a slam
Speaker 1: dunk topic at the risk of being romantic, and he's
Speaker 1: got some great citations here about books written UH many
Speaker 1: by Edwin Black UM. One that might be interesting to
Speaker 1: you listeners out there, IBM in the holocaust of the
Speaker 1: strategic alliance between Nazi Germany America's most powerful corporation. Now,
Speaker 1: one thing that we do know about this is that
Speaker 1: the UM the role of private corporations in the rise
Speaker 1: of the Nazi Party is an ugly part of history
Speaker 1: that is also completely true. We also, though there are
Speaker 1: merit there were American sympathizers with the Nazi Party who
Speaker 1: weren't just in in um highly placed influential positions of corporations.
Speaker 1: But we're also active politicians with popular support UM. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, to be completely fair, in many cases, especially
Speaker 1: a lot of politicians cases, they had no idea what
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party was going to become and later go
Speaker 1: on to do. But this is an interesting topic and
Speaker 1: we love digging into the historical stuff. They don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. How what do you think, mat should
Speaker 1: we check it out? I think we we should. And
Speaker 1: we're coming right off the heels of talking about the
Speaker 1: eugenics programs that some Americans, with the help of some
Speaker 1: moneyed interests like basically set up in parts of Europe,
Speaker 1: including Germany. Oh yeah, that's an interesting detail for everyone
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen our introduction video on eugenics in America. Wow, nice,
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way to uh end
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