1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello everyone, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: the the Actually my real name is Ben, and I 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: promise I won't do that accent anymore. Uh, Matt, I 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: can always tell when things are about to get serious 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: on our shows, whether it's our video or audio, because 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: you've got the uh e, you've got the E smoke going. 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, sorry about that. No, it's cool. It 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: reminds me of the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderlands. Oh wow, 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: that's the look. I'm going for. Caterpillar with a hookah? 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Is that the That's that explains so much about our 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: profile picks that we're working on. Uh. We are talking 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: today about two of my favorite subjects, government secrets and 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: the search for psychic powers or just fringe science. Right, 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: we're fans that anything on the fringe. You and I 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: grew up loving The X Files, loving Twilight Zone, Outer Limits. Yeah, 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: we even sat through a couple of the downer seasons 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: of Fringe. Yeah it happened. I'm on the fifth season. 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: By the way, how are you still watching it? Yeah? 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: I kind of finished it. Okay, Well, please don't spoil it. 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: I won't tell me. Hey, I you know what, the 24 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: writers did a good job, good enough job spoiling our help. 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Don't tell me that. Oh no, I'm kidding. It's it's 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: one man's opinion. But when we are talking about these things, 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: we naturally go to one of the coolest subjects we've 28 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: talked about in a while, which was the Soviet version 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: of mk Ultra. I mean, that's what we call it 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: on the show, right, Yeah, Well, it's also the Soviet 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: version of Project Stargate. Yeah, it's it's got a lot 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: of similarities to the weirdness that our own the U. 33 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: S Government was doing. Now, what was Project Stargate. Project 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Stargate was basically, again trying to make psychic soldiers in 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: the US, trying to figure out a way to unlock 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: this weird mind body connection that was considered pseudoscience by 37 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: even a lot of people who were doing it. But 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: but they wanted to make sure that it wasn't real, 39 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, so that perhaps we talked about in the 40 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: episode that if if it is real and we just 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: aren't spending the money to research it and one of 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: our enemies does, then we're in a whole heap of trouble. Yeah. 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: And when we were talking about psychic powers, I don't 44 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: know about you guys, I like specifics were specifically talking 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: about UM. One of one of the biggest things they 46 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: researched on the u S side was out of body experience. 47 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: Is it possible to train people to train soldiers or 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: intelligence operatives to travel remotely and to somehow perceive things 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: thousands of kilometers away viewing man? That was one of 50 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: the biggest pushes. Yeah, that's the term remote viewing. Ingo 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Swan one of the biggest guys in this UM, and 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: I used to when I was a kid. I had 53 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: those Time Life mystery books that talked about Ingo Swan 54 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: at length. And it's interesting because Swan maintains that he 55 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: really has a legitimate ability to do this, and other 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: people have worked with him have argued the same thing, 57 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: but not all of them, And quite a few people 58 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: have said, well, the reason that this was shut down 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: is because ultimately we just found out that there was 60 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: no real ability to do this, or that even if 61 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: this ability existed, it was not applicable or used bow. Yeah, 62 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: and it wasn't accurate enough, right, which is kind of 63 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: what um Sony was it. Sony kind said when they 64 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: shut down, there's their ESP program. Yep, true story. You guys. 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Sony had an ESP program. That's the story for another day, 66 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: and they used it in in all of their CD technologies. 67 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: As we see, it's crazy it actually says ESP on 68 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: there you remember that having that No, that's perfect. Yeah, 69 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: it's a good point because it's it's uh, it's strange. 70 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: We that's one of the things that you and I 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: didn't believe when we first started reading it. We were 72 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: convinced that ESP stood for some other acronym, you know, 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: like Electronic Sound provider or something like that. Yeah, but 74 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: this this one was a real ESP program, and the 75 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: US of course had them as well. Uh, the Soviet 76 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: ideas were very friends. Um. Now, a lot of this 77 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: that comes to us comes from recently to classify documents, 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: and they are just the the tip of a red 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: iceberg here. Huh, you know, but they are. I just 80 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I wrote it down earlier, so I wanted to try 81 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: it out. Uh. But these these programs, um, if the 82 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: information we're getting can be trusted began in nineteen seventeen, 83 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: which is the year of the Russian Revolution, so it 84 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: predates the USSR, and that's interesting to continue to two 85 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: thousand three officially, which is even more interesting to me. 86 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: And they did research in a different way. Their research 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: was meant to be a little more quantitative rather than qualitative, right, 88 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: so they measured the UM. They they wanted to walk 89 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: away with concrete numbers and compare and compile and realize, uh, 90 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: these pieces of data so that they could figure out 91 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: if there was really something going on. And a lot 92 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: of their experiments focused not so much on remote viewing 93 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: as they did on UM the idea of electro magnetic 94 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: or electrochemical fields. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That it's that that 95 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: free energy that's been searched for since we figure since 96 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: man has figured out that there is energy or there's 97 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: some kind of electricity or power that you can harness 98 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: in the environment, and there's so many people who have 99 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: looked for it and failed to find it, at least 100 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Tesla arguing, yeah, and uh, we we 101 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: know that the we know that the government of the 102 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: time in the USSR was on board with a lot 103 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And you can see some fascinating photographs 104 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: of devices that people have built with the idea that 105 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: they would harness this energy through things called serpan um 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 1: strange looking things. They look like thermos is almost. Yeah. 107 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: They had their cylindrical with these handles, I don't know. 108 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Some of them were strapped two people. Some of them 109 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: were simply held, uh. The idea being that if all 110 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: living things emanate this field in some way, then we 111 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: could build something that would aggregate and apply or direct 112 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: this energy. And they were directing it with the with 113 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: the hope of doing things like um, having plants grow 114 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: faster was one producing neurological effects, so having someone's brain 115 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: function be affected in some way, which is frighteningly vague. Yeah, 116 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: I know, yeah, oh man, but that that would be 117 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: great if you could somehow really send out in an 118 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: enhancing intelligence ray with some device that was strapped onto you. 119 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: I guess you need a group of people and if 120 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: it worked the way they thought it would work, right, Yeah, 121 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: they did think it was a cumulative effect. Um. But 122 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: they also they also focused on you know, this was 123 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: one of their most interesting areas of focus and something 124 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: that the US wasn't really focused on. They also used 125 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: these torsion generators. We do have to point out that 126 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: the Russians, or rather the Soviets at this time, did 127 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: have UH psychics that they would conduct tests on, and 128 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: those tests would be some of the same stuff we 129 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: hear in the United States. You know, Uh, the idea 130 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: of whether or not clairvoyance existed, which was not proven satisfactorily. 131 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: The idea whether or not there would be UM an 132 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: ability to predict the future also not proven very well. 133 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: UH telekinesis, which as much as I wanted to be real, 134 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: was not proven. Um. Again, if you believe that any 135 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: of those things truly are real right now listening to 136 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: this podcast, um. And I don't mean to sound like 137 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: an extreme skeptic, because I'm certainly not. As soon as 138 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: I have evidence that shows me that any of those 139 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: things are real, I'm down because I I want to believe, 140 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: just like the old X Files. But you should really 141 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: talk to or listen to James Randy because the guy 142 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: makes some really great points just about how he's offering 143 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: crabloads of money to anybody that can prove this stuff. 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yes, the famous one million dollars for 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: proof of any uh psychic parapsychological or paranormal phenomenon by 146 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: James Randy and it's a little bit controversial. In fact, 147 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to do a podcast on that maybe in 148 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be totally honest 149 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: with you, though this is a part where we might differ. 150 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: I think that it is quite possible that in the 151 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: future we will come to understand a scientific x nation 152 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: or what we perceive, um occasionally to be psychic powers. 153 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't. I don't think somebody's 154 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, telekinesis is real and we just discovered 155 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: it in I think that's preposterous, but could be some 156 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: kind of fourth dimensional time distortion. Right. We understand so 157 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: little about the nature of consciousness, the nature of physics, 158 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: especially at a very small and very large level that 159 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: we are we we don't even we don't even have 160 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: gravity figured out. I mean, if you think about the 161 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: potential span of human history, my friend, we are still 162 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: in the dark ages. So I think I'm gonna be 163 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: a little more optimistic about it. We don't we don't 164 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: have the tools yet to discover the explanations behind a 165 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: lot of these things. Um, or the explanations behind a 166 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of these reports. We do know that there are 167 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: quite a few mundane things that can explain stuff like 168 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the feeling of deja vu. Has a fairly there's a 169 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: fairly solid theory of what happens in our brain that 170 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: makes us perceive that. Right. They didn't have this when 171 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: they were doing a lot of these Cold War experiments, right, 172 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: and uh, they had some enemies we talked about the 173 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: Academy of Russian Scientists hated these programs because they, you know, 174 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: this was centralized funding. So they said, you government are 175 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: taking funding for real science and applying it to pseudo science. Right. 176 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: But there's a I think there was a bit of 177 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: cynicism in some of these programs. We do know that 178 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the Soviets also sent people to UH Shanger Law to 179 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: out out to search the UH the steps in and 180 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: uh comb through Tibet for UM. I think propaganda purposes 181 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: more than anything else. I don't think they were really 182 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: out to discover some ancient secrets so much as they 183 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: were to discover some brilliant marketing. Yeah. That would have 184 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: been just a little icing on the cake if they 185 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: had actually discovered something crazy. Yeah, And there's an interesting 186 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: part here when we talk about this, uh, when we 187 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: talk about what they did discover, because here's the weird part. 188 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: We don't know remember any idea. Isn't that always man? 189 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: That is the case so often with us, just because 190 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: we there's so much information that's withheld uh from everyone 191 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: that we kind of get up against this wall. And 192 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: just for if you're a new listener perhaps to the show, 193 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: we really try to not speculate as much as give 194 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: you the information that is there and then you know, 195 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: go maybe a couple of inches over that line, just 196 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: to let you know what we think. There's uh yeah. 197 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: And in this respect, there are some things that we 198 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: can say about Russian UM or Soviet research in these fields. 199 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: We know that, for instance, we know that both a 200 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: former defense minister and UH Prutin himself have talked about 201 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the future of unconventional weapons. We also know that in 202 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: the West research on these directed energy weapons UH is occurring. 203 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: We know that the technology exists to give people the 204 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: sensation that they are hearing voices, which is freaky, right. 205 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: You haven me to that one, Matt that gives me nightmares. 206 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: We we know it's it's fairly obvious that the actual 207 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: bleeding edge or cutting edge of technology is several years 208 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: at minimum ahead of what the public thinks it is. 209 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: Like one of the latest revelations that just came out, 210 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: which will be a few weeks old now when this publishes, 211 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: which we posted to our Facebook earlier today, was that 212 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the n s A doesn't need an Internet connection to 213 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: hack a computer anymore, just a radio signal, just needs 214 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: a radio wave and a will gadget about the size 215 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: of a briefcase that some unsuspecting dude is carrying around. 216 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Oh but don't worry, it's not in the United States, right, 217 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: Sorry everybody else. Yeah, but the but the point we're 218 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: making is that it is completely possible that some of 219 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: this fringe research into really crazy stuff lead to applicable results. 220 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: I like the comparison. I wanted to ask you what 221 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: you think about this comparison. Met um so in alchemy 222 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: right way back in the dark ages, right them, the 223 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: weird hippie uh cultish father of chemistry alchemy people were 224 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: conducting experiments to see what would happen to try to 225 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: create life with a homolocus or it might pronounce that 226 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: yes and uh, trying to explain magic in some ways 227 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: trying to change everything into gold and all that kind 228 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. And in most cases, these alchemists did 229 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: not discover what they thought they were discovering, but they 230 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: discovered other things because they were curious and they didn't 231 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: mind getting their hands a little dirty and gold leafed. Right. No, really, Ben, 232 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: we really just need more curiosity, I think, yeah, exactly. 233 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: So they discovered things, not necessarily what they meant to discover, 234 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: but they did find valuable innovations because they were curious 235 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: and they were attempting to be methodical. I think the 236 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: same thing could happen here. I mean, history is lousy 237 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: with examples of people who accidentally discovered something while they 238 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: were doing something else, Like the guy who invented the 239 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: microwave didn't mean to cook food with it. That chocolate 240 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: bar just melted. Yeah, and we have just a small 241 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: inkling of what is actually being discovered. And we know 242 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: we bring up the active denial system right in in 243 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: our video and uh, it's it's freaky, it's pain ray. Uh. 244 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: We still don't know what Russia might have on the 245 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: other side. And it's strange that governments could change but 246 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: the same documents would remain classified. Isn't it. Yeah, And 247 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: essentially it's so weird to me the idea that a 248 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: government would change. But your your armed forces are going 249 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: to be fairly similar unless they're involved in whatever whatever 250 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: uprising occurs to change the government if an uprising occurs. 251 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: So if the KGB just took over, yeah, I'm it's 252 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: really interesting with thinking about Sorry, my brain just went 253 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: somewhere completely different. But just the changing of guard between 254 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: different governments. Um, how much of that underlying research or 255 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: that underlying uh technology would still exist? And and I 256 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: would say that it probably would. Oh yeah, we well 257 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: we know that, uh, we know that in the case 258 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: of nuclear technology, um, there were proliferating nukes, and know 259 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: how that we're spreading around as NATO and Russia self 260 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: work to stop the transmission of those um worked finger 261 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: quotes stop finger quotes, but you know they made the 262 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: plight noises. We wanted to let everybody know that there's 263 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: a there's this great document that we read, Unconventional research 264 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: in USS are in Russia A short overview. It's free 265 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: online right now. You can just go and google it. 266 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: The author's name is Serge Kernbach. That's S. E. R. G. E. 267 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: And in this document you'll find a list of the 268 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: stuff that we know they tried, a list of the 269 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: funding and some of the notable scientists. Um. That's where 270 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole begins. That's your own surface. You can 271 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: find much more interesting stuff in my favorite part about 272 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: that article or the pictures. Yeah, because that's what I 273 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: deal with, and I was able to use a bunch 274 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: of them in our episode. Yeah, we're able to find 275 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: the serpan exactly. Um. And we want your thoughts on this. 276 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: Do you think that government's continue psychic research? Do you 277 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: think it was a big financial boom doggle and people 278 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: were just paranoid. Do you think that you have evidence 279 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: of psychic powers? Because if it checks out, we'll hope 280 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: you win that million dollars. Um. But what we should 281 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: also put up a link on our on our website 282 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: that has uh has some more information about the James 283 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: Randy Price. I have a blog post about it from earlier, 284 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: so you can check it out there. Um. And the 285 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: very last thing I have to do, Mett, could I 286 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: read you some listener mail? Oh? Please do, he says, Hey, 287 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: Ben and Matt, my name's Hugh. First off, I want 288 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: to thank you for providing a superlative source of irudition 289 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: regarding stuff theyn't want you to know. Nice prodigious appropriation 290 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: for the wide range of topics addressed, as well as 291 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: the obvious in depth research conducted. Uh. That was interesting. Yeah, 292 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: thanks for stepping it up vocabulary wise there you. Secondly, 293 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if you'd be interested in covering their knowing 294 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: complicity IBM played in the annihilation of millions of Nazi 295 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: concentration camp prisoners during World War Two. Now, this is 296 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: something that you and I have talked about before, right Matt, Yes, 297 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: yes we have, and uh it's a It's another one 298 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: of those heavy subjects. But I'm interested as much as 299 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: you is. I'd like to tackle it as well. I 300 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: think it's a great suggestion. Hugh calls it a slam 301 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: dunk topic at the risk of being romantic, and he's 302 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: got some great citations here about books written UH many 303 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: by Edwin Black UM. One that might be interesting to 304 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: you listeners out there, IBM in the holocaust of the 305 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: strategic alliance between Nazi Germany America's most powerful corporation. Now, 306 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: one thing that we do know about this is that 307 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: the UM the role of private corporations in the rise 308 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: of the Nazi Party is an ugly part of history 309 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: that is also completely true. We also, though there are 310 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: merit there were American sympathizers with the Nazi Party who 311 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: weren't just in in um highly placed influential positions of corporations. 312 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: But we're also active politicians with popular support UM. Now, 313 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: of course, to be completely fair, in many cases, especially 314 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: a lot of politicians cases, they had no idea what 315 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: the Nazi Party was going to become and later go 316 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: on to do. But this is an interesting topic and 317 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: we love digging into the historical stuff. They don't want 318 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: you to know. How what do you think, mat should 319 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: we check it out? I think we we should. And 320 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: we're coming right off the heels of talking about the 321 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: eugenics programs that some Americans, with the help of some 322 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: moneyed interests like basically set up in parts of Europe, 323 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: including Germany. Oh yeah, that's an interesting detail for everyone 324 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: who hasn't seen our introduction video on eugenics in America. Wow, nice, 325 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way to uh end 326 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the show here. Please check us out on iTunes. 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