1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Just draft good football players. Sounds simple, right, Well, it's 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: never that easy. Got Danny Surrek with you Bird Gang, 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: our final show from Indianapolis and the twenty twenty six 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: scouting Combine, and we catch up with the athletics Dan Brugler, 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: the author of The Beasts, a must have for those 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: who enjoyed the draft, and on that topic, we get 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: Dane's thoughts on the options for the Cardinals with the 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: third overall pick, what positions he sees are the deepest, 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: and why so many tight ends have been invited to 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the combine. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine eighty one, 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: POA Baker, What Heart? What Rent? This guy's unbelievable. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcast. 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: At the five. 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: Pay the ends up with the Cardinal touchdown Dray McBride, 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: He's been an absolute monster. 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griller. 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Well, it is the end of a long but productive 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: week here in Indy. Always one of my favorite weeks 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: of the year, and let's be honest, Danny. It's one 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: of the few times that I'm allowed to get out 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: of the office. Since I don't travel in season, our 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: boss allows me to get out at least once a year. 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, really nice of him that he 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: didn't give you a curfew because I heard you were 29 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 5: enjoying yourself. Craig, all right, what happens in India, and 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 5: I will not say anything else. Okay, No, it's been 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 5: a good week, and we joke. But that really is 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 5: part of why people come here is during the day 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 5: you were getting content, you were talking to prospects, general managers, coaches, 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 5: and then at night, even though everyone is exhausted, when 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: those person when the front office staff and coaches are 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 5: done with interviews and what they have to do, that's 37 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 5: when everybody gets to network and connect and see people 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 5: from around the league. So we were still technically working right, networking. 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's a perfect example. 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 5: It is a great It is a great week. Though 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 5: it's always fun. The days are very long, very exhausting, 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 5: but I think we get a lot of great content 43 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 5: and information from the national analyst reporters that we speak 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 5: with here. Sitting down with the general manager and head 45 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 5: coach talking to some of the prospects at the podium. 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 5: It's a great week out here. 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: And we discussed earlier here on Cardinals Cover two about 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: the buzz surrounding the Arizona Cardinals, and it is the 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: quarterback position and what this team decides to do. Keep 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, trade Kyler Murray, release Kyler Murray. 51 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: Those are your three options. 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: So as far as takeaways from this week long stay 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, that is it. It's what do you do 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: with the most important position in the NFL. 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: It's a great question. And the truth is, while people 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 5: might think they know what's going to happen, or they 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 5: might feel some type of way and what they would prefer, 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 5: nobody's going to know until at least March sixteenth, that 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 5: fifth day of the league year, where Murray would be 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 5: guaranteed almost twenty million dollars from the twenty twenty seven 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 5: year of his contract. So that day is coming up. 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 5: So an answer one way or the other is going 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 5: to be given to everybody here soon enough. And what's 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: interesting is that's the first domino that has to fall. 65 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 5: That's what's going to be so crucial, especially in free 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: agency of dead money, cap space, right, how much money 67 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 5: are you going to be able to allocate for free agents? 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: And when you're creating these contracts in terms of the draft, 69 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 5: when you're looking at needs, I'm not really sure, truthfully 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 5: how much having Kyler Murray or not is going to affect, 71 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: at least in the first round what the Cardinals are 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 5: likely to do. Regardless of who's under center. You got 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: to keep the quarterback clean and upright and have a 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: good clean pocket. So that's an offensive line regardless of 75 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 5: who is that quarter defense has got to get to 76 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 5: the quarterback, so that could be an edge rusher, which 77 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 5: is a pretty deep class. But Kyler Murray Domino to 78 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: fall where we're getting close to an answer one way 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 5: or the other. But that's got to be the first piece. 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: The other contracts item we heard Giamani Austin fort Get 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: asked about extensions for Paris Johnson Junior and Michael Wilson. 82 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Paris does have that fifth year option. Michael is eligible 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: for an extension after his third year. Day two draft 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: pick signed a four year contract, So I think both 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: will get done. It's just a matter of when. It's 86 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: not if, but when. When you're talking about two players, 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: one on the offensive line protect the quarterback, and then 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: a skill player that receives passes from the quarterback. 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 5: There's no pressure show to say on getting a contract 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 5: extension for Johnson because as a first run draft pick, 91 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 5: he has that fifth year option, so that gives both 92 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 5: sides a little more time. 93 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Now. 94 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 5: You always want to get contracts done on the sooner side, right, 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 5: because players want to be protected, and also teams from 96 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 5: their perspective, want to get it done early because the 97 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 5: player pops off and has a great year, right they 98 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 5: can test the market and maybe go get more money. 99 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 5: I would expect Michael Wilson to be a priority to 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 5: give a new contract too, and to extend him this 101 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 5: offseason based on not just what you saw the second 102 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: half of last season as a great receiver, but as 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 5: a whole and the work ethic, the type of blocker 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 5: he is, the type of teammate he is, and then 105 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 5: you start to see some of that work start to 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 5: pay off as a receiver the back half of last 107 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 5: season and some of the incredible things he was able 108 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 5: to do. The athletic catches, the footwork, the balance, winning 109 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: one on ones, creating space. He truly played like a 110 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 5: number one receiver, and so I think that should be 111 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 5: a priority for them to try and get done this offseason. 112 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: First things first though, would be probably maybe the drafts 113 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: and what the Cardinals do with that third overall pick, 114 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: and then what they do in rounds two through seven. 115 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: How about we dive further into what the Cardinals may 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: or may not do. As mentioned off the top, we 117 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: had the chance to talk with the athletics Dan brigglar 118 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: a lot of good information here. Now is our conversation 119 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: well off the top here Dan one. It's always good 120 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: to check in with you and see how things are going, 121 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and this week for you particular, because as we discussed 122 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: last year, your beast. The Beast is to me the 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: Bible when it comes to the NFL Draft. So how 124 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: much of the Beast is organized configured this week or 125 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: is this week more refining what you put into what 126 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: has become the go to when it comes to draft prospects. 127 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 4: This is like the final touches because most of Hayes 128 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 4: in the barn. At this point the evaluations are ninety 129 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: five percent done. This is the opportunity to fill in 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: those missing gaps, whether it's talking to a player, getting 131 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: some of the athletic testing, some of that data, talking 132 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 4: to a scout, just getting some of the medical information. 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: There's just so many Every player is different with what 134 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: we already know and what we still need to learn. 135 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: So I think there's I always this is the most 136 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: productive week of the year for me every year because 137 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: everybody's here. All the prospects are here at There's three 138 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: hundred and eighteen guys here, and if I'm missing something, 139 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: I'm able to go to them. All the scouts are 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: here able to kind of pick their brain. It's it's 141 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 4: just a really valuable week for my process and a 142 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: way to kind of put those finishing touches on these evaluations, 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: and then you know, the month of March kind of 144 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 4: finish everything, and then early April, Beast is ready to go. 145 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 5: Your analysis is called the Beast with good reason. That's 146 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: exactly what it is. For those listening who might not 147 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 5: have read in the past, one absolutely should, especially if 148 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: you are a fan of the draft and and of college. 149 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: Roughly how many players are evaluating? How many pages for 150 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 5: it to have its deserving name of the. 151 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: Beast good question. You know, there's I've watched thousands and 152 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: thousands of players since June first. That's really when I 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 4: get started the process of elimination these guys. You know, 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: what's a prospect, what's not a prospect. But there will 155 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: be you know, probably over two thousand players in the 156 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: draft guide that are you know, ranked, there's testing information verified, 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 4: all that, and then evaluations for at least I don't 158 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 4: know four hundred or so, just so you know it. 159 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: Anyone that's drafted will be in the guide. You know, 160 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: I've gone about ten years since the there's someone that 161 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 4: was drafted that wasn't in the guide and I lay 162 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 4: awake at night worrying that. But that's what drives me 163 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 4: to make sure it never happens again. And so that's yeah, 164 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 4: it's it's as thorough as you're gonna find, and it's 165 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: I look at this as a p and there's so 166 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: many puzzle pieces out there, and it's my job to 167 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: gather all these puzzle pieces, put it together so you 168 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: have a clear understanding of who the player is. And 169 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, whether in some people might agree with my 170 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 4: rankings or whatever, but you're going to appreciate the background 171 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: information and all the different nuggets that I'm able to 172 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: pick up over the course of doing this out of 173 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: eleven months out of the. 174 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Year, because you are so thorough this particular draft, and 175 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: we were talking before we hit the record button with 176 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: just one quarterback many people believe is the only quarterback 177 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: that is going to be selected in the first round. 178 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: We'll see what happened. But Bernanda Mendoza one of one 179 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: and then after that. Okay, there are positions to discuss, 180 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: but overall, is there a theme that you think that 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: this draft class, at least as we speak right now, 182 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: might have as we get closer to April. 183 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: No question, I think because every draft has its own identity, 184 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: right with how we look at it, how we remember it. 185 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: This year, one of the identities, one of the themes 186 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 4: is it's very light at quarterback and running back, and 187 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: it's rare to be light at both positions. Sometimes it's 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: one of the other, but rare to have both. In 189 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: my top one hundred right now, I only have six 190 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: combined at those two positions. We have not seen fewer 191 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: than double digit quarterbacks and running backs combined draft at 192 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: top one hundred in forty years, so this could we 193 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: could really be breaking a big streak this year with 194 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: just how light it is at those two positions, and 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 4: especially at the top. For Randa Medoza is gonna be 196 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: number one overall pick, and then we're on Ty Simpson watch. 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: He could go thirteen, he could go fifty three. I 198 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: don't think either would be that surprising. I think another 199 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: theme of this draft is going to be, especially for 200 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: the Cardinals purposes and teams picking in the top ten, 201 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: top twelve. A theme is going to be just draft 202 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: good football players. We get caught up so much in 203 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 4: upside and potential and you know, chasing what guys could 204 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: be in especially at premium positions. But I think this 205 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: draft especially is going to be about just draft good 206 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: football players. And because you look at Kleb Down's a 207 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: safety from Ohio State, Safeties don't go top ten. Caleb 208 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: Downs should go top ten. Sunny styles, off ball linebacker 209 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: don't usually see those guys go early. Sunny styles should 210 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: go top ten, especially in this draft. A couple of 211 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: right tackles. We don't think of right tackle as maybe 212 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 4: going that early, but that's what this draft is giving us. Jeremi, 213 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: I love running back. He belongs somewhere in the top 214 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: seven picks. So I think this draft is really about 215 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: less about chasing you know, who could be the next 216 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 4: Miles Garrett or who could be you know, the next 217 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson. It's more about let's draft good football players. 218 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 4: Even if it's not a premium position. Even if maybe 219 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 4: it's more we're betting more in the floor than the ceiling. 220 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: That's okay. 221 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: And so I think that'll be a consistent theme that 222 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: we see, especially early in this draft. 223 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 5: With a non quarterback heavy draft. How does that affect 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: the opportunities the Cardinals might have at the third overall 225 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: pick in terms of trade opportunities, I. 226 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: Would be surprised if we saw many trades in the 227 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: top ten. I think, you know, you're the best bet 228 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: is for somebody to just fall in love with a 229 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love, you know, just because there is such a 230 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 4: big drop off from love to whoever you're running back 231 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: to is huge drop off. So if you fall in 232 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: love with one of these teams, whether it's Saints, Chiefs, 233 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 4: whoever falls in love with Jeremiah Love, maybe there you 234 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 4: could have a trade opportunity. But I think it's gonna 235 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: be tough. I think a lot of fans are gonna 236 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: want I hear that a lot. Oh well, trade back, 237 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: and look at this, I don't think that phone's phone's 238 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: not ringing, you know. I don't think there's gonna be 239 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: a lot of teams willing to give up those valuable 240 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 4: Day two picks, especially in this draft where those are starters, 241 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 4: and so you're really going to give up starters to 242 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: go up and get someone in this class, I would 243 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 4: be surprised, but you know, you never say never. If 244 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: a team is willing to maybe pull back a little 245 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 4: bit on what they're going to be asking for instead 246 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: of a second and third, we'll take two thirds, or 247 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: we know, whatever it may be. Maybe we do see 248 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: some movement, but I do think the trade action is 249 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: not going to be a robust market this year. 250 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: Early on, when the Cardinals are discussed with that third 251 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: overall pick, it's either offensive line or edge. Let's first 252 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: go with offensive line. The two top names Spencer Fano 253 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: and Francis mal We know differences. Is there much of 254 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: a difference to depend on what you like to run 255 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: as an offense? There's similarities differences between those two because 256 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: sometimes it's one versus the other. For a lot of 257 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: these experts, including yourself. 258 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's interesting talking to teams about 259 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 4: these two tackles, because I don't think nobody sees these 260 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: guys as like Joe Alt, where that prototypical left tackle 261 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: skill set is going to step in from day one 262 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 4: and compete to be a top ten left tackle in 263 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 4: the league. These guys are both right tackles, and some 264 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: teams have mauioa on their board as a guard just 265 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: because his build and the strength of his game translate 266 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 4: really well inside. And so do you want a starter 267 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 4: at right tackle or do you want a Pro Bowl 268 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: or a guard. That's kind of how they look at 269 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: Mauinoa and you know, I don't know how the Cardinals feel, 270 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: but that's something that plays in the decision making. Both 271 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 4: these guys are young. They're three year starters as true juniors. 272 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: Fino gives you maybe a little bit more perceived versatility 273 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: because he did play left tackle, even though I think 274 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 4: he's more comfortable at right tackle. 275 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: That's his more natural position. 276 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: But both are really high floor players where you feel 277 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: like you have a good idea of what you're getting. 278 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: Neither are super long, they're the other size are fine, 279 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: They're okay, but they're not going to overwhelm you with size. 280 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: They win more with strength and an understanding of how 281 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: to play the position. And so I think if you're 282 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 4: looking for that Joe Walt, that left tackle skill set, 283 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: it's not you know, you maybe you draft Monroe Freeling 284 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: later on, but I don't think you're going to see 285 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: that with either of these two players. But that doesn't 286 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: mean that they're not good players and they won't be 287 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: good starters in the league. It's just you have to 288 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 4: understand what you're getting. 289 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 5: The Cardinals need reinforcements on the offensive line, especially some 290 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 5: of the players that are recovering from injuries or are 291 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 5: pending free agents. So the question becomes, if the Cardinals 292 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 5: don't take an offensive lineman at three, where would they 293 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 5: be able to take one who can make an impact next. 294 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: And I think it's it's always tough because thirty two 295 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: teams the offensive linehume, you know, all every team does, 296 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: and so it is kind of it can be hard 297 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: at times too. If you don't take one early, you 298 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 4: are kind of sitting at the edge of your seat 299 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: waiting till the next time you're up to seeing, Okay, 300 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 4: which tackles are still there, which offensive linemen are still 301 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: available for us? You know, a guy from Arizona State. 302 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: I in at chor the right tackle from Arizona State. 303 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: He's you know, he went into Senior Bowl week as 304 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: a second round player, but after his great Senior Bowl, 305 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: and I think he'll perform well here. Could a team 306 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 4: take him late first, Sure, it's possible, And so all 307 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: of a sudden you were thinking, like, okay, that's our 308 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: backup option in round two. Now he's off the board 309 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 4: at that point. So, you know, I think that we're 310 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: gonna see a lot of tackles go in the first round. 311 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 4: I mentioned Ben Real feeling he'll go, Caden Proctor will go. 312 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: You know, maybe a guy like Blake Miller from Clemson 313 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: will go. We're gonna see a lot of tackles go 314 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: in those first you know, thirty two picks, and so 315 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: you're you're kind of sitting at the edge of your 316 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: seat hoping that a guy that you like falls to you. 317 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: But they're just no guarantee that they will. You know, 318 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: if I'm the Cardinals and I'm looking at my day 319 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: two options, I'm hoping a guy like Blake Miller will. 320 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: Follow to me. 321 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: Who big he's is. The intangibles are off the charts. 322 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: The toughness is off the charts. He missed one practice 323 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: in four years. This guy is iron man. He does 324 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: not like to miss games, does not like me. 325 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: He just loves it. 326 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 4: He's someone that you want to drop into your offensive 327 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: line room and just you feel like you said it 328 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 4: forget it. You know, you don't have to worry about 329 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: the right tackle position moving forward. So if I'm a 330 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: team in that second early second round range, I'm hoping 331 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: that Blake Miller's still on the board for me. 332 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: On the flip side, there seems to be an abundance 333 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: of edge rushers. You have sixteen in your top one hundred. 334 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: People are a. 335 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: Few that I just how do I get him in there? 336 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: Like I just there were at least four or five 337 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: I could have. I wish I would have squeezed in there. 338 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 4: It really is a loaded. 339 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: Grow How does it compare? I mean, is it the 340 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: quantity or is it the quality of those sixteen that 341 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: you have in your top one hundred. 342 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: There's no Miles Garrett in this draft, so you know, 343 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 4: if you're looking for that true difference maker at the top, 344 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: you probably be a little disappointed. But I do think 345 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: that there's the depth in the first round, second round, 346 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: third round. It's it's quality depth, and would you like 347 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: about this position? And is it's it's ice cream flavors. 348 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: You know, it's they're all good, but sometimes you feel 349 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: like vanilla, sometimes you feel like chocolate chip. It's it's 350 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: just depending on what type of pass rusher you're looking for, 351 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: and especially at three, when you've got guys like Ruben 352 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: Bain from Miami who's not long, his body types a 353 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: little bit different. Some teams like him as a three 354 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 4: technique because he's got this pear shaped body and he's 355 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 4: not long, but he's so dang strong and he will 356 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 4: look to go through you. He will dominate the point 357 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: of attack, and it's you look at what he meant 358 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: for that Miami defense down the stretch in the playoffs, 359 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: and it's just it's an easy sell that, Hey, he's 360 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly it's going to look the way, 361 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: you know, prototypical way we want your edge rushers to look, 362 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 4: but he's gonna give us an impact. David Bailey speed, speed, speed, 363 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: He got better against the run this year, but you're 364 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 4: drafting him early because of the speed component to put 365 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 4: pressure on the quarterback. So again I think These edge 366 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: rushers are really talented. It's just you have to determine 367 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: what is the best style and type of ed rusher 368 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 4: that you want for your defense. 369 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 5: The news is that's another position of need for the Cardinals. 370 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: Bringing it back to the valley a little bit. Jordan 371 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 5: Tyson out of Arizona State, you know Camp Scataboo before 372 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: safe to say that ASU is a powerhouse now for 373 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 5: college football. 374 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 4: Dame well and I saw I reported last night that 375 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 4: no Jordan Tyson this week at the Combine, which is unfortunate, 376 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: still working back from the hamstring injury. And that's because 377 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 4: that's really the main concern with him. The tape, to me, 378 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: I see a stuff on Diggs like player who he 379 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: can create his own separation. He wins at the catch point. 380 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 4: He has a good tape. He looks like a top 381 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: twelve pick in this draft. But he's missed I think 382 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 4: his thirty four percent of his team's games the last 383 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 4: four years. And that's that that is the sticking point 384 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 4: where you have to kind of project that out and 385 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 4: there's a little bit of risk involved with him, and 386 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: so he is a really t the player that you 387 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 4: hope is able to work out for teams before the 388 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 4: draft and kind of shed some of the durability concerns 389 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: because but at the same time, I think there are teams. 390 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: I'm just doing an interview with the Browns picking out 391 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: twenty four. I mean, they're not mad to see that. 392 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: You know, he's not working out, Maybe get him a 393 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: little bit of a discount later in the first round. 394 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 4: But it's less about like if I were talking to 395 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: Jordan right now, I just tell him like, it's less 396 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 4: about the how early you go, and it's more about 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 4: where you end up. Because if you go to a 398 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: good team, especially if you fall into the twenties and 399 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 4: you're talking about a playoff team, good chance you're going 400 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 4: to a good quarterback, a good offensive infrastructure, and that's 401 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: going to put you on a better fast track to 402 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: getting to that second contract, which is really the key. 403 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 4: More obviously, want to be drafted as high as you 404 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 4: could possibly be drafted, but not going in the top 405 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: fifteen is not as big of a deal if you 406 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 4: fall into the right situation, And so for Jordan Tyson 407 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: that might be the reality of what's going on with him. 408 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Another skill position group tight end. You mentioned recently at 409 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: DP Brugler that the tight end class this year twenty 410 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: seven invited to the Combine the year before twenty one, sixteen, 411 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, So you're seeing an increase in the number 412 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: of tight ends. Is again, is it because of the 413 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: quality or our teams in the NFL want to see 414 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: these tight ends up close in personal because more teams 415 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: like the Cardinals are using those double triple three tight 416 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: end sets. 417 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's both because and remember the Combine invite 418 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 4: list comes straight from teams. They vote on the players 419 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: they want to see here. So obviously there's a lot 420 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: of tight ends that teams want to see. But I 421 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 4: think you're absolutely right. Twelve personnel thirteen personnel. You know 422 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: teams are using, especially in your division, Teams are looking 423 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 4: to get more tight ends on the field and just 424 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 4: the versatility. 425 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: That gives you. 426 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 4: You're the I feel like, you know, if we boiled 427 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: down the NFL L to as simple as we can 428 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: make it, it's about mismatches. That's exactly what you're looking 429 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: for both sides of the ball. You know, we saw 430 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 4: it with Seattle this year with a guy like Nick 431 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: em and Worry, and you know it's hard to find 432 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 4: those mismatches against a guy that versatile who can be 433 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 4: a linebacker, be a safety, be a coverman. And so 434 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 4: it's kind of the same thing with tight end. If 435 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 4: you can find guys that can be blockers but can 436 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: also help you in the passing game and just you 437 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: don't you see them out there and it's not a 438 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 4: key for the defense that Okay, this is gonna be 439 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: a run player. This is going to be you know, 440 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: doing different things out a certain formations. If you're able 441 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 4: to find those versule tight ends, that that's a big 442 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 4: kind of cheat code. And I think this year we're 443 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: only going to see probably one go in the first round. 444 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: Kenyon Sadik, the Oregon tight end who's a really good blocker, 445 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 4: really good pass catcher, should have a good week here 446 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 4: at the Combine. But then even after that, like Eli Stouers, 447 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: Max Claire from Ohio State, those guys in that second 448 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 4: round range, and but I think the strength of this 449 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 4: draft will be at tight end, will be round four, 450 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 4: round five, We're gonna see a lot of those guys 451 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 4: come off the board, whether it's Will Kachmeric from Ohio 452 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 4: State who's a really good blocker and when they threw 453 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: the ball to him, he didn't drop it. He didn't 454 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: have a single drop in two years at Ohio State. 455 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 4: Nate bore Kicker from Texas A and M can do 456 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 4: a little bit of everything. So if you're looking for that, 457 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 4: maybe not a star at tight end, but a useful 458 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 4: tight end who can give you something in both. As 459 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: about the pass catcher and blocker. This draft, you're gonna 460 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 4: circle a lot of names on your list and say, okay, 461 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: well let's make sure we come out of the draft 462 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 4: at least one of these guys. 463 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: All this analysis on these players from you, Dane is 464 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: just scratching the surface of what the beast entails. So 465 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: for those listening, how, where and when can they get 466 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 5: their hands on that. 467 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: It's part of the athletic and it's you know, if 468 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 4: you like the PDF copy, there's you can download that. 469 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 4: There's also a digital friendly version for your phones and 470 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 4: tablets and computers. It's if you're interested in the draft 471 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 4: at all, even a little bit, I promise you there's 472 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 4: something in here for you, and it's something to have 473 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: that by your side in the lead up to the 474 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: draft because it always shoot for around early April. But 475 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 4: during the draft, I think that's where it's really invaluable 476 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: and it's something that you know, I know, I know 477 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: some teams like to look at it. It's really cool 478 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: to see the popularity grow and it just drives me 479 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: to make it better and better every year. Top it 480 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: as much as I can, and so trying to do 481 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 4: that again this year. 482 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 5: As two people who do look through the bees, you 483 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 5: are very grateful for all the work and effort you 484 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: put it. Absolutely what no hard copy trusting hand them out. 485 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: If I think the rainforest would prefer, we don't, but 486 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: look it would be. I wish we could get it done. 487 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 4: I wish the timeline was better so we could, yeah, 488 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: get it on store shelves and you know, newsstands and 489 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: all that. But it just takes so dang loong to 490 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 4: put together. But yeah, hopefully early August, that's usually the goal, 491 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: to get it done and out. 492 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: Always good to catch up, enjoy this week and again 493 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: we look forward to the Beast Capetsically we do use 494 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: it during the tasting to hear thank you. By the way, 495 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: that little nugget from Dane about when he watches the 496 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: draft seeing different draft rooms, have the Beast opened up, 497 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: because again you're looking for information and it's not hey, 498 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: this is who you should take. It's more information about 499 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: each of the three hundred sum prospects, what they did 500 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: in college, high school, how they grew up, what. 501 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: They did when they were younger. 502 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: It is it is a valuable tool not only for 503 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: fans us, but also each of the thirty two teams. 504 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 5: Talk about validation. You're watching the draft go down, you 505 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 5: see that Beast in the war room. I mean, the 506 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 5: amount of work he puts in the time and effort 507 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 5: for that many prospects is insanely impressive. And we do 508 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 5: use it as an editorial staff. I mean, that is 509 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 5: something that we use as a research tool, and so 510 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 5: I appreciate the work that he puts in. I appreciate 511 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 5: you know, he's one of the many people who gives 512 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: us time here and almost every other table that's here, 513 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 5: and there's more than sixty of them here on Radio Row. 514 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 5: But yeah, the work that Dame Brugler does with the 515 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 5: athletic and on the Beast in particular, is incredible. 516 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: Some key takeaways from that interview. One is there is 517 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: not a lot of. 518 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: Star power, if you will, in this draft. 519 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: So according to Dane, you draft good players, whether that's 520 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: a safety or a running back. Even those aren't premium positions. 521 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: You might see a running back or a safety selected 522 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Dare I say the top five 523 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: because of how good they are as players relative to 524 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: the position they play. 525 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 5: Well, let's clarify you're talking to picture, because I think 526 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: the fact that you just said drafting a safety or 527 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 5: running back, you might have just had some Cardinals fans 528 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 5: listening for ca. 529 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about league wide. 530 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 5: Yea Arizona Cardinals specific. Good clarification, but that seems to 531 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 5: be the general consensus. It all starts with quarterbacks, and 532 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 5: this is a non quarterback heavy draft, So there's probably 533 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 5: not going to be a lot of trades in the 534 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 5: first round, at least because who are you trading up 535 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 5: to get? This is a deep edge class. Unless you 536 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 5: are really really needing and liking one of those top 537 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 5: two offensive tackles, maybe the safety or the running back, 538 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 5: there's really not a lot for teams to trade up 539 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 5: to get. So that's really interesting is the somewhat uncertainty, 540 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 5: which is a benefit for the Cardinals who sit at 541 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 5: the top of the board. You're always gonna want good players, right, 542 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 5: You're always gonna want good players, and then you find 543 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 5: a way to maximize their skill sets and have them 544 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: fit within your scheme or rather fit your scheme around 545 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 5: your good players so that they can create success. So 546 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 5: it makes sense, right, You're just gonna want good players. 547 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 5: You want people that have high character, people that are 548 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: going to work hard, people that are coachable. And you 549 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 5: know it's not bad that some of those top prospects 550 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: who have all those qualities are also in position rooms 551 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: that the Cardinals need. 552 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: Death then, and let's be clear, for the Cardinals, it's 553 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 1: either offensive line or edge rusher based off what we 554 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: have heard here, and I think based off what we 555 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: know where this team needs along the offensive line and 556 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: someone to pair with the Josh Swat to get after 557 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And the analogy of different flavors of ice cream, 558 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: same that we heard from Daniel Jeremiah earlier this week, 559 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: because with David Bailey, Ruben Bain Junior, and Arvaro Reese, 560 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: they all do something different even though they are very 561 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: capable of getting after the quarterback. But which one would 562 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: fit within a particular scheme or how a team might 563 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: decide to use them. So not a wrong answer, Hey, 564 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: I wanted that player as opposed to this other one. 565 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: What is the defensive coach? And in this case Nick 566 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: rawls how to see picture using whether that's Bailey or 567 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: Baye or Reese. 568 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 569 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know you could have the same conversation with 570 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 5: those top two offensive tackles as well, and Spencer Fonno 571 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 5: out of Utah and Francis Mauiinoa out of Miami. Of 572 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: skill sets and who has well, this player might have 573 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 5: a higher ceiling, but this player has a higher floor. 574 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 5: This player has versatility if you need to move them 575 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 5: inside to guard, and it's it's someone where he's talking 576 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 5: about outside linebackers. The ice cream flavor analogy was something 577 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 5: that we heard a couple of years ago when it 578 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 5: was a wide receiver heavy draft and the Cardinals took 579 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior fourth overall, And now we're hearing it again. 580 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it fits what fit back then and it fits 581 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: this year as well. By the way, you can follow 582 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: Dame Brugler at DP Brugler and highly encourage and recommend 583 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: everyone to at least look into acquiring the Beast Draft 584 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: Guide for those that are big fans of the NFL Draft, 585 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: including this twenty twenty six class by the way the 586 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: combine runs through Sunday. As far as coverage on the 587 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: NFL network this weekend, certainly, the star power as far 588 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: as quarterbacks and the skill position players always a must 589 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: watch and another combine in the books. Standing for us, 590 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: it's always a lot of fun, a lot of work, 591 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: but I would not trade it in for anything else. 592 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: If you want to be anywhere this particular week, it's 593 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. 594 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 5: The days are long, and while the week is long, 595 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: it also feels short in a way that's not a 596 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 5: great explanation, and I can't really explain it much more 597 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 5: than that the days are packed. Is it's great to 598 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 5: get the information that we get, the access that we get, 599 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 5: and to also get to see and talk to people 600 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 5: from around the league, national reporters, local reporters. It's a 601 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: really great week, and I'm grateful that we're able to 602 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: come out here and be part of Cardinal's representation for that. 603 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: And let's be clear, I am ready to go home. 604 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 5: I'm enjoying myself. 605 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: I need the heat, I need a little warmth. 606 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 5: We'll see, We'll see how many more days I can 607 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 5: get by with like less than five hours of sleep, 608 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: and how I can function. 609 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun. 610 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: Bird Gang appreciate everyone's help behind the scenes here in 611 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: Indianapolis and of course back in Arizona as well. And 612 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: on that notes, we will put a lid on this 613 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai Probud, partner 614 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 615 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: executive producer, Jim Amhudra, our associate producer, COULDI Fincher for 616 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: Danny Surrek. I'm Craig Riallu one final time from the 617 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: scouting Combine in Indianapolis. 618 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.