1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: And now we know finally welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Paul calBC joins me the Cardinals will pick twenty seventh 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: in April's draft, the seconds of their two first round 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: selections that became known officially following the weekend's playoff action, 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: which we will discuss. Also, Harris Johnson Junior, just how 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: good was his first year plus assistant coaches receiving All 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Star Invites. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven to twenty one, 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: Bud to Baker, What Heart? 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: What rent? 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: dot com Slash podcasts. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: He's it again? 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: So far Harry Magic? 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: WHOA? 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Here's Craig aloud? 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Because we only asked the tough, hard hitting questions here 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two, presented by a Hyundai, proud partner 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As my co host Paul Calvic 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: now straightens up in his chair because he realized he's 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: about to get blindsided by something here on this Monday. 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it's only a Monday. I'm gonna get ear 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: hold right out of the gate. Anybody else want to 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: fill in on this Monday? If it's gonna be tough questionings, 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: my goodness, based. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: On what we saw, not on the field, but off 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: the field. What would it take, Paul for you to 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: dance like John Harbaugh? 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's regrettable, There's no doubt about it. I 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 3: do not want to put that on camera, not. I mean, 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: you don't want to be a couple of things. You 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: don't want to be shirtless unless you are, you know, 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: an NFL player like like Jason Kelcey. You don't want 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: to be the grown man caught crying after the Bills 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: lost in the stands, right yeah, And you certainly don't 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: want to be a human being without rhythm, of which 41 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: I'm most definitely guilty. Caught where you are co coerced 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: into busting a move and instead of just busts back 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: on your face as it goes viral all time and 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: a meme. So yes see, you got to You gotta 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: tread lightly carefully and be premeditated and everything you do 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: when the cameras are around here. This is the dilemma 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: based off what you just mentioned about Jason Kelsey. What 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: would you be more I wouldn't say excited, but what 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: would you be more willing to do? 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: Camera or no camera? Okay, no, it has to be. 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: The cameras have to be on. Would it be dancing 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: in the locker room like John Arbaud did after the 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Ravens pulled away from the Texans thirty four to ten, 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: or would it be going shirtless in the stands in 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: front of however many millions that watch that Chief's Bills 56 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: game in Buffalo. 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: There's only one circumstance and or scenario under which I 58 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: would I would be prone to being guilty all the above, 59 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: and that would be if the Alma Maters somehow went 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 3: to the Rolls Ball, if indeed I was ever Paully Pasadena, 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: just once in my lifetime, just once, have the University 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: of California go to the Rolls Bawl. And now there's 63 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: an even longer shot than ever. 64 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the acc do you get an invite to Goose Fly? 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, and I just don't care, But that 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: would be about the only thing where I'd lose my 67 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: mind for and you know what, and just act like 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: you don't care if indeed that was too transpire. 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Goudie, We've got it on the record here on 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: this Monday edition of Cardinals Cover to it. 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: Cal But see if anyone, if any fan base, or 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: any player should act like that. It should be the 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: Detroit Lions, right, yes, there should be someone somewhere associated 74 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: with the Lions, who now have more playoff wins than 75 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: they had between nineteen fifty seven and before this season started. 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: Just based on this postseason, now. 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: You spent some time in that area, both living and working. 78 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: As far as the four games that were played over 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: the weekend, we don't need to get too in depth, 80 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: but just what was the biggest stand out? Was it 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: the Lions beating the Buccaneers thirty one to twenty three. 82 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Was it our hometown team in the Bay Area, the 83 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: forty nine ers going to another NFC championship game, the 84 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: Bills losing at home, they finally get the Chiefs on 85 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: the road and you still can't beat the Chiefs. Or 86 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: is it because the Texans are finally out of the 87 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: playoffs and the Cardinals now, no, they'll be picking twenty 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: seventh in the first round come April. 89 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: All right, we'll get to the draft pick in a minute. 90 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: There's no doubt. Just the atmosphere in Detroit after those 91 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 3: playoff victories, and I likened it to the Cardinals in 92 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 3: the two thousand and eight NFC Championship game. And now 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: the fans are soaking in every single moment. They do 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: not want the moment to end. They don't want to 95 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 3: leave the stadium. You know. To me, the shots of 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: the eighty nine year old season ticket holder reminds me 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: of my own father, who's eighty six and a Detroit native. 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: And so I remember as a little guy hearing all 99 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: the Bobby Lane stories from my pop and all his 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: buddies who used to go to the Lions games at 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: Tigers Stadium back in the day. So and then I 102 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: just look at the Lions and you hope to see 103 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals in a year or two. You see 104 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: a Dan Campbell era that started with three wins in 105 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: his first season three years ago, then started last season 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 3: one in six and then ever since the Hiff turned 107 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: it around, right. And so, I mean his mark as 108 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: a head coach was four nineteen and one until the 109 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: middle of last season and they've won like twenty two 110 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: out of twenty nine or something like that ever since. 111 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: So when it turns, it turns. In fact, I heard 112 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: Rex Ryan and ESPN this morning called Detroit the best 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: coach team in the NFL this season. Wow, And I'm like, 114 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: all right, is that not one of those ESPN hot takes? 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: But it's legit. You can make that argument between Ben 116 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: Johnson and Aaron Glenn and between their special teams and 117 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: then Dan Campbell holding everyone accountable and the energy and 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: the physicality. These are all hallmarks of what Jonathan Gannon, 119 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: MANTIASI Ford are trying to instill. So for me, in 120 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: addition to the fact that I'm sick of the forty 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: nine ers making their third NFC Championship game in a 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: row and what four of the last six or something 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: like that, Casey going to its six straight AFC Championship game. 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 3: Baltimore has been a perennial winner. Good to see Lamar 125 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 3: Jackson get a playoff win. I mean, I just like 126 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: the fresh blood in the new look in the postseason, 127 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: you could have. 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl. They are sixty 129 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: minutes away from being in Las Vegas, and there I 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: say that the NFL schedule makers know something all the 131 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: way back in May when they put the Lions and 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: Chiefs on that NFL kickoff Thursday, and did not the 133 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Lions upset the Chiefs, And could we get Lions and 134 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Chiefs to end the twenty twenty three season? 135 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: All right? 136 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: So look, we both follow the forty nine Ers closely 137 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: if nothing else, because they're in the Cardinals division. We'd 138 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: see him twice a year. And I told Wolf a 139 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: moment ago before coming on here on Cardinals cover too. 140 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: I said to Wolf, I think the Niners have issues. 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance they go down at home. 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: I would be worried if I was Niners Nation and 143 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: Sourdough Sam their mascot. You saw a Green Bay team 144 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: go out there with Jordan Love and the youngest roster 145 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: in the NFL. In their first three possessions, all reached 146 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: the red zone, couldn't cash it in with a single touchdown. 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: But you saw a Niners defense it gave up its 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: first one hundred yard rusher in fifty games. I know 149 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things out there. It took brock 150 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: Purty in that final drive we're on six for seven, 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: and he converted those third downs with a ten yard 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: pass to Brandon Ayuk, and then he threw seventeen yards 153 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: to another receiver and then Christian McCaffrey obviously at the 154 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: very end with a big touchdown run. But until then 155 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: they were most definitely on the ropes at home. 156 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Well, just keep in mind the Packers should have been 157 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: up ten there in that second half if not for 158 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: that miss forty one yard field goal. Instead they're only 159 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: leading by seven, allowing the forty nine ers to come 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: all the way back. And then you bring up looking 161 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: ahead to next Sunday's NFC Championship game, Deebo Samuel and 162 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: that loss his injured shoulder on the opening drive and 163 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: then missing the rest of the game in street clothes 164 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: on the sideline. So maybe that's good to see that 165 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't in the locker room the entire time, But 166 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: how healthy is he going to be going in to 167 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: this next game? 168 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: And the Niners better hope that the poor accuracy shown 169 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: by brock perty had a lot to do with the rain, 170 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: because there were two easy interceptions that Green Bay dropped 171 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: that could have changed that game, and brock Purty was 172 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: very pedestrian until the very late stages of that game, 173 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: and there was some really poor throws. Obviously he was 174 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: having issues with his grip. He had the glove, then 175 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: he took it off. They had replays him in his 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: drop back actually wiping his hand on his game pants 177 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: with the ball on the other hand. And so, okay, 178 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: we'll see. But once again, you know that Steve Wilkes's 179 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: defense doesn't look to be nearly as dominant as some 180 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 3: other teams still in the playoffs. 181 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: Forty nine Ers did something they had not done all season, 182 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: and that's overcome a second half deficit to win a game. 183 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: And under Kyle Shanahan, the forty nine Ers had been 184 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: zero to thirty one, including the playoffs, when trailing by 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: five or more points entering the fourth quarter. It is 186 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: a play from a head team. Although maybe they learned 187 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: something about themselves in that win over the Packers, who 188 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: has a seven seed, might have been one of the 189 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: hotter teams going into the playoffs. And sometimes when you 190 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: are that one seed, you either come out a little 191 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: slow or you come out all fired up. But you 192 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: get that team that is coming in having maybe one, three, four, 193 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: five in a row, or four of five and playing 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: some of its best football. So we're going to see 195 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: an upset at some point that number one seed go 196 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: down to a seventh seed because of how you finish 197 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: the regular season before the postseason begins. 198 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: I totally agree, And I thought green Bay quite often 199 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: that game was the more physical team, which you never 200 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 3: would expect to say, and against that, you know, I 201 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: have forty nine ers, the way they have built the 202 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: offensive and defensive lines, and yet I thought green Bay 203 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: was the harder, hitting, more physical team quite often. And 204 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: you're right. Sometimes the number one seed with the Bible rusty. 205 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: Look at Baltimore in the first half, only ten points. 206 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: They explode in the second half, and Lamar Jackson had 207 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: a historic game first quarterback since at least nineteen forty 208 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: eight according to the stats, with the least two touchdown passes, 209 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: two touchdown runs, one hundred yards rushing, and one hundred 210 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: passer rating in the same game. So, okay, if Lamar 211 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: is now dialed in after that second half and that 212 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: big win against Houston and that Baltimore defense that isn't 213 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: allowed did not allow a Houston Texans touchdown in two 214 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: games in eight quarters, and attention Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City. 215 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: That Buffalo d was really banged up going into that 216 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: game and isn't nearly the same caliber as that Baltimore defense. 217 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: So as much as Mahomes is motivated by the whole 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 3: road playoff narrative and not, you know, I get it, 219 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: and beware be very afraid of Patrick Mahomes who has 220 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: extra added motivation and fuel to his game. But that 221 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: Baltimore defense is going to be much more physical and 222 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: button dump than what you saw against Buffalo. 223 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: And the Ravens can run the football. They out gained 224 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: the Texans on the ground two d and twenty nine 225 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: to thirty eight. And that's just not Lamar Jackson. It 226 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: was justin Hill, Gus Edwards, Dalvin Cook coming off the 227 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: stint with the New York Jets, so all of a 228 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: sudden he becomes a playoff player for the Ravens. But again, 229 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: as far as the Cardinals connections with this, this was 230 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: the one game of the four this weekend in which Yeah, 231 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: I had huge rooting interest because Paul, it was about 232 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: time the Texans were put away and allow the Cardinals 233 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: to finally figure out where they're going to be picking 234 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: with that second first round selection. Look, any other year, 235 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: it's a tremendous story. I'm all for a first year 236 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: head coach and a rookie quarterback going deep into the playoffs. 237 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Just not in twenty twenty three. The Cardinals what we 238 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: all thought once upon a time could have been a 239 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: top five pick. Okay, maybe top fifteen. As the season 240 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: war on, and then it was okay, can we just 241 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: get into the late teens, and then it creeps into 242 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: the twenties, and here we are because the Texans advance 243 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: into the divisional round and the Buccaneers lose, so that 244 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: means that pick is lower and the Packers lose. And 245 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: because the Packers and Buccaneers had better or worse records 246 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: than the Texans. Now all of a sudden, the Cardinals 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: are picking twenty seven. Wow, now it's better than nothing. 248 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, you want you want be 249 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: as high as possible with that second pick. 250 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: And look, it was a really good calculated trade right 251 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: In terms of Houston had the worst combined winning percentage 252 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, twenty one, and twenty two of any team. 253 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: So the last three years going into this year, the 254 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: Texans had the worst combined winning percentage of any team. 255 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: Plus they're going to play a rookie quarterback from day one, 256 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: So historically that says that's not going to go. Well, 257 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: just look at Carolina and what happened this year with 258 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: the Panthers. So this historic exception the CJ. Stroud rookie 259 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: season where he led the league in several key passing categories, 260 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: where only had five interceptions. Remember Peyton Manning sat the 261 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: all time rookie record with twenty seven or twenty nine picks, 262 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: whatever it was, and that was a Hall of Famer. 263 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: So the fact he was able to navigate the learning 264 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 3: curve to that degree leaves the Cardinals at twenty seven. 265 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: So as bad a luck as that was, guess what 266 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: you need some good luck now at number four. And 267 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 3: by that I mean you need QB Rising. Last year, 268 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: that guy was Anthony Richardson. In years past, we've seen 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: Trey Lance come out of nowhere and go number three. 270 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: We've seen Zach Wilson come out of nowhere to some 271 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: degree and go number two. Almost every mock draft that 272 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: is out there that I'm looking at, at least the initial one, 273 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: especially the NFL dot Com guys who have posted theirs, 274 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: they all agree on one scenario. It's going to be 275 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jayden Daniels one, two, three. So 276 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: at four, you need that fourth quarterback to make a run, 277 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: to come out of nowhere, to throw on air at 278 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: the combine and wow everyone, whether it's Bo Nix, whether 279 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: it's Michael Pennix, I don't JJ McCarthy, whomever, just make 280 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: that run and allow the Cardinals to cash in number four, 281 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: even if you move down a couple of spots, you know, 282 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: to be able to cash that in and get some 283 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: unexpected gains and assets because of what you just lost, 284 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: in particular with the Houston pickfalling all the way to twenty. 285 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: Seven, that is going to be an unpopular take because 286 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: wait to bottom line it, you know what this fan 287 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: base wants. You know what many people want with that 288 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: number four overall pick. Dare I say they would have 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: done it with the third pick, maybe even the second pick. 290 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: And that is a wide receiver, the wide receiver out 291 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: of Ohio State who has drawn comparisons to Larry Fitzgerald. Now, okay, 292 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: stop right there. Is that why you think? 293 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: Is it because of the fact that once upon a 294 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: time Fits went at number three. It was a legendary player, 295 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: one of the best all time, not just in Cardinals 296 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: but in NFL history, and just the track record of 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: hitting a home run at a Grand Slam at number three. 298 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: Do you think that that's what fuels this or is 299 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: it just Marvin Harrison in the need for a receiver. 300 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: For me, it's a need for a receiver. Yet at 301 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: the same time, you look at several mock drafts and 302 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: you look specifically at Daniel Jeremiah who put his out 303 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: late last week. He has Ramadounza, Emlikue Neighbors going five 304 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: to six to the Chargers and John respectively. This is 305 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: a very deep wide receiver class. To your point, now, 306 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. And if your gentleman is YOURMANI 307 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Austin Ford. Yeah, you hope that phone is ringing. Can 308 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: you drop a couple of spots? Okay, maybe you don't 309 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: get that Hall of Fame caliber talents of a Marvin Harrison, 310 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: but we know there is nothing guaranteed. But everyone says 311 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: he'll put in the work and he's a can't miss prospect. Yeah, 312 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: how many can't miss prospects have missed? But if you 313 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: can drop a couple of spots, get maybe the second 314 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: best receiver or third best receiver, but any other year 315 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: they're the number one wide receiver, or you even go to 316 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: the tackle position, another position of need. By the way, 317 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: I'd be having this conversation if there was an edge rusher, 318 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: because I think that supersedes all needs on this Cardinals 319 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: team is to find somebody that can get to the 320 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: quarterback because that was severely lacking this past season. But 321 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: it is going to be unpopular, which I think you're 322 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: okay with, because there is a clamoring to get the 323 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: Ohio state wide receiver as opposed to acquiring more assets, 324 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: more bites at the apple to maybe fill more positions 325 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: of need or positions in which you are lacking in 326 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: sound thinking, it's just going to be unpopular. 327 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: Paul, Well, Okay, So a year ago Cardinals were at 328 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 3: number three and they traded out, could have had Will Anderson. 329 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: There's a lot of clamoring for Will Anderson Manias and 330 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: Ford didn't listen, went his own direction and got the 331 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: right tackle who might be your future left tackle. The 332 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: thing is, your existing franchise left tackle just suffered a 333 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: torn acl at the end of the season, and now 334 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: what does that mean? About next season, especially considering his 335 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: contract considerations. Everyone can cite the need for a receiver. 336 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: I could argue left tackle slash right tackle is a 337 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 3: bigger need at this point because if you can't protect 338 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: that quarterback, then the receiver doesn't matter and you can 339 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: get away with a pedestrian receiver crew if you have 340 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: the quarterback and the offensive line. Hello Kansas City right now. 341 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahles made a whole bunch of different receivers work 342 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: over the years and reaching the AFC Championship Game six 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: straight seasons. I think the question is how far would 344 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 3: you be willing to fall, because unfortunately, there doesn't appear 345 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: to be a team with a dire need for quarterback 346 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: directly behind the Cardinals. You have to go to number 347 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: eight in Atlanta, number eleven in Minnesota, number twelve in Denver, 348 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: number thirteen in Las Vegas. Are you willing to fall 349 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: the way to twelve or thirteen? If you go to eight, 350 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: you got to figure you can get one of those 351 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: two tackles that are out there, the Penn State tackle, 352 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: the Notre Dame tackle. I even saw Bucky Brooks heading 353 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: where he had the Oregon State tackle ahead of the 354 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: Penn State tackle. So there are at least three tackles 355 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: who are considered to be legit top fifteen picks. Now, 356 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: once upon a time you went for Isaiah Simmons instead 357 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: of Tristan Wurf's back in twenty twenty. So I just 358 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 3: think when you look at, for example, the Detroit Lions team, 359 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: where did they start. They fixed the offensive line, those 360 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 3: two tackles and that tough guy, all Pro center Frank Ragnow, 361 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: I mean talk about dude factor and what he played 362 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: through and getting those two playoff wins. And you got 363 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: to remember Dave Sears, the assistant GM. You gotta hope 364 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: Dave Sears had a lot to do with the Detroit 365 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: drafts the last few years, because they've hit a lot 366 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: of home runs themselves. I just get the sense that's 367 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: more of the mentality that they're going to build the trenches. 368 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: And then look at what Detroit did pulling am On 369 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: Ross Saint Brod out of the fourth round. Look at 370 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: what the Rams did pulling Puka nakuaut A round five. 371 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: Look what the Cardinals did Michael Wilson around three. We'll 372 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: see if you're telling me that Larry Fitzgerald, the second 373 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 3: is what you're getting in Marvin Harrison Junior pull the 374 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: trigger because the return on investment obviously is there. But 375 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: keep in mind that the lowest hit rate of any 376 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: first round position group in the last decade has been receiver, 377 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: meaning there have been more misses at receiver in the 378 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: first round than any other position group. And if you 379 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: want to talk about the Lions, a buddy of mine 380 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: reminded me remember Matt Millen, who was the Lions GM 381 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: from approximately two thousand to two thousand and eight, widely 382 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: known as the worst modern day GM in NFL history. 383 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: Why because he kept taking receiver in the top ten 384 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: year after year and almost every one of them flamed out. 385 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: So just proceed cautiously if you're thinking receiver at number four. 386 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: And then think about impact. How much of an impact 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: does a wide receiver have on a game when you're 388 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: only maybe getting at best twelve thirteen targets on a 389 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: good day. Yeah, maybe you dictate coverage like a DeAndre 390 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Hopkins did when he was here, who also was, by 391 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: the way, the twenty seventh pick way back when. So 392 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: you can find talent later in the first round, second 393 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: round as well. So is more of an impact at 394 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Absolutely, But to your point, if 395 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: again it is a can't miss, then yeah, pull the trigger, 396 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: and then Marvin Harrison Junior is wearing an Arizona Cardinals' uniform. 397 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: But as we sit here in mid January, it would 398 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: not be a surprise if your scenario plays out and 399 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: that is the phone rings and you move down as 400 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: Moni did a year ago, and if you have to 401 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: move back up to get Paris Johnson Junior at six. 402 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: But again, this is all something that we have what 403 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: two three months before we actually know for certain, and 404 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: then you're not gonna know five, six, seven years from 405 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: now whether that was the right decision to make or 406 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: did you leave that Hall of Fame wide receiver for 407 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: someone else to grab. 408 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: Like I threw out going in free agency after Brian 409 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: Burns of Carolina and then the buzz kill them off. 410 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: Darren Urban said, Wow, that's not really likely because they're 411 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: just gonna franchise tag him. I get it, But by 412 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: all accounts, you have Mike Evans tracking for unrestricted free agency. 413 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: If you're gonna spend big dollars, maybe instead of the 414 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: pass rusher, you go for that big receiver, proven receiver 415 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: could be that number one guy. He's gonna turn thirty 416 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: one this season. I thought his first playoff game was lackluster. 417 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: He failed to make some plays, big plays, but he 418 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: had a pretty good rebound game in the playoffs against Detroit. 419 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: You know, I put some free agency dollars at the 420 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: receiver position, and then that allows you to trade down 421 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: and go line of scrimmage in the first round of 422 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: the draft. 423 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: I would hesitate paying big money for a wide receiver. 424 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I'd much rather go big money for alignment, whether that's 425 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, a tackle, or an edge rusher. That's 426 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: where I think the money is better spent. It's a 427 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: more wise investment, maybe even a safer investment, because I 428 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: think what you're seeing, Yeah, wide receiver is becoming a 429 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: premier position, but I don't know if teams are quick 430 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: to pay those wide receivers that second or third contract win. 431 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: As we've seen lately the last couple of years, you 432 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: can find a young receiver and then to your point 433 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: about Puking Nakua, guys that are in Day two, day three, 434 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: much cheaper, younger, just as good, maybe even better than 435 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: a thirty year old wide receiver that has been in 436 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: the league. For a half a dozen or more years. 437 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: I just think with the mentality about Jonathan Gannon maniasin 438 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: for It, they're addressing the line of scrimmage once again. 439 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: If you get a guy who think is going to 440 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 3: be a Hall of Famer at any position, then okay, 441 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: you're justified in making that selection in the first round. 442 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 3: But if, if indeed there's a quarterback that comes up 443 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: to number four and teams are interested, I'm guessing maniasin 444 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: for It will seriously consider trading out. And to your point, 445 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 3: there's no reason why it can't be an exact repeat 446 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 3: last year. You pull the trigger with Denver at number 447 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: tw twelve, and then all of a sudden, wait a minute, 448 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: your guy's still on the board at ten. At nine, 449 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: you trade back up and grab him, just to be 450 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: absolutely certain. 451 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: And we think we have one season worth of where 452 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: that decision did pay off because Paris Johnson Junior. How 453 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: well he played forgets some of the numbers, some of 454 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: the metrics, whether that's Pro Football Focus or Next Gen stats, 455 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: but what really won. He stayed healthy, started all seventeen games, 456 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: did not miss a single snap on offense, played some 457 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: special teams as well, and then based off a social 458 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: media post of yours late last week when we were 459 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: talking about on the Red Sea Report with Kyle Vandenbosch 460 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: on how KVB was so impressed with Paris not only 461 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: on the field, but is off the field as well, 462 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: and then you rattled off the number of edge rushers 463 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: defensive linemen that Paris Johnson Junior faced this season. Paul, 464 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: I went through that entire list. It's an impressive list, 465 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: but those names. Harris Johnson Junior in twenty twenty three, 466 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: his first season in the league, he faced nine of 467 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: the top sixteen sack artists, nine of sixteen. 468 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what. I didn't even have room 469 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: to include Will Anderson Junior. I didn't have room to 470 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: include Dexter Lawrence, an all Pro interior guy who who 471 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: moves around the line and so but from top to bottom, 472 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: here's who I listed, and these are all premire pass 473 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: rushers at Paris Johnson Junior faced over the course of 474 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: his rookie season. His seventeen game campaign, Aaron Donald twice, 475 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: Nick Bolsa twice, Montes Sweat twice, the Commanders and then 476 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: the Bears. TJ. Watt, who had nineteen sacks to lead 477 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: the NFL. Trey Hendrickson, who was number two in the NFL, 478 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: was seventeen and a half, Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett 479 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 3: fourteen apiece, Justin mad Ubique out of Baltimore at thirteen, 480 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: Jonathan Greenert Houston twelve and a half cave On Thibodeaux 481 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: and a half the Giants, and Son Reddick former Cardinal 482 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: now with the Eagles with eleven. So think of just 483 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: the premier guys. Almost every single week he got an 484 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 3: elite pass rusher, and almost all those guys came to 485 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: his side just as often as the other side, especially 486 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: a Nick Bosa and a Montes Sweat and a TJ. Watt. 487 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: They're more likely to come off the offense's right tackle. 488 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: And then you take a look at some of the 489 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: teams the Cardinals get next year when they go against 490 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: the Vikings and Daniel Hunter if he's still there, they 491 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: have the Dolphins, and you know that whole pass rush 492 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: they're gonna get. If Brian Burns is back with the 493 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: Panthers next year, that's who they'll have. A Joey Bosa 494 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: and the Chargers, right, so you're gonna get Aiden Hutchinson 495 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: and the Lions come into State Farms Stadium and then 496 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: Montes sweat again along with your own division. So you 497 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: get immediate return on investment with a Paris Johnson Junior. 498 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: Because every one of those guys is a game wrecker, 499 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: every one of those guys. If you don't have an 500 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: answer for them, then guess what your offensive game plan 501 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: is dead. 502 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: And every one of those players that you mentioned all 503 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: finished with double digit sacks, with the exception of Aaron Donald, 504 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: but he's still Aaron Donald. Yes, from the inside, can 505 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: wreck an offense. And you saw what the Lions did 506 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: against Aaron Donald in the first round of the playoffs. 507 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: He was getting triple teamed, triple teamed. Almost every big 508 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: passing down he got triple teamed. And so you see 509 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: the respect and the attention he gets, and then that's 510 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: got to open up so much for the rest of 511 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: your defensive front. Keep the defense off your quarterback, and 512 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: that quarterback, I e. Kyler Murray can do wonders for 513 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. So again it all comes down to 514 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. I like what you always say, Paul, 515 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: it's it's not protect the quarterback, it's get to the 516 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: quarterback right. Now, the Cardinals in year one under GM 517 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Onni Austin Ford went with protect the quarterback. Do they 518 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: do it again because of what's going on with DJ Humphries? 519 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: And then you figure out, Okay, you've got Paris Johnson 520 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: Junior on one side and whom on the other? Figure 521 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: out which is better on the left or the right side. 522 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: But again, you've got to be able to keep your 523 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: quarterback upright in order to score points, score points, win games, 524 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: win games, advance to the playoffs. 525 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: You look at the forty nine ers success the last 526 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: four or five years, and every player in that Cardinals 527 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: locker room will start with one acquisition. The trade for 528 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 3: Trent Williams solidified that line. What was the difference in 529 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: the Rams with Sean McVay before they were a dumpster fire. 530 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 3: Before Sean McVay got there, wasn't just McVeigh. Was the 531 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 3: acquisition to Andrew Whitworth, and then Whitworth retired and they 532 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: were the worst post Super Bowl champ ever two seasons ago. 533 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: They fixed the offensive line again this year and guess 534 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: what Rams back in the playoffs. So you look at 535 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: the teams that have excelled, the Lions, I mean, for 536 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: every big draft pick the Lions have had over the years, 537 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: they finally put investments into the offensive line and look 538 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: what it's done. It is paid off. So because ultimately 539 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: you can have all the greatest corners in the world, 540 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 3: they can't come for seven or eight seconds. So if 541 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: you're going to give a quarterback time to throw, that's 542 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: all they need in this league. 543 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: By the way, you bring up the Lions, how about 544 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: this note that broke on Monday. According to reports, Zach 545 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: Ertz is back in the league. According to reports, he 546 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: is signed by the Lions to their practice squad because 547 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: the Lions over the weekend loss brock Wright hurt his 548 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: forearm in the second half and they're not quite sure 549 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: if he'll be available or not. Ertz was released in 550 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: late October. Paul, It's been a long time since Ertz 551 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: has done anything football related, Yet here he is given 552 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity which I think maybe he would have thought 553 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: was going to come much earlier, especially after in which 554 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: there was that mutual decision to part ways both sides 555 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: and inn Of course, according to reports, Ertz gave up 556 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: a game check as well to help facilitate that move. 557 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: But October, I mean that is three months waiting for 558 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: that phone to ring, or maybe waiting for that right opportunity. 559 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: And there's that connection to Detroit with his old tight 560 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: end coach Steve Hyden. Right, Yeah, I think we're all 561 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: a little bit surprised. But for all the Cardinals fans 562 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: out there who watched every single snap of this season, 563 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: the first half of the season until zach Ertz went 564 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: down with injury, you saw someone who was definitely rusty 565 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: coming off the torn acl And I'm not just talking 566 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: about maybe his movements, but even his reaction to some 567 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: of the passes from Josh Dobbs. He was a little 568 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 3: late getting his head around, getting his hands up reeling 569 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: in a pass. It just looked it definitely didn't look 570 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: like game time, real time zach Ertz we become accustomed to. 571 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: There was definitely a russ factor of sorts. So was 572 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: that the time off because of the injury. Is that 573 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: because of his age now into his thirties. I wonder 574 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: if teams looked at that same game film and we're 575 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: a little hesitant to invest in zach ert especially at 576 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: a number that I'm guessing he was expecting as someone 577 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: who made eight million plus last year as a Cars 578 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: tight end. So okay, look, he's got a huge showcase 579 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: on Sunday. If he gets some game reps and he 580 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: gets some targets, he has a real good chance to 581 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 3: springboard that into a contract next season. 582 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: The NFC and AFC Championship games are on Sunday. The 583 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: AFC Championship game is first then the NFC, and it's 584 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: a matter of rotation. It doesn't determine by the matchups. 585 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: It's every other year the AFC or the NFC gets 586 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: that second game. And unfortunately, I don't know. I don't 587 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: know if there's a Lions forty nine ers versus Chiefs Ravens. 588 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if one is a better matchup over another. 589 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little bit biased because of the NFC 590 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers, but I don't I don't 591 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: know if there's really that one game better than another 592 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: that would deserve that second spot. 593 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: By the way, I always thought it was based on 594 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: the time zone. So I thought because it was the 595 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: East Coast, that's why it would go earlier. So I 596 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: know it just one o'clock in four thirty, So it 597 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter that end. Okay, I had no idea 598 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: there was a rotation. I just thought the East Coast 599 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: game would automatically go first. But look in terms of 600 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: which is the more marquee matchup, I mean, the Lions 601 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 3: have become America's team, have they not America's darlings. So 602 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: there's so much attention paid on the Lions right now. 603 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: But with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift 604 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: and a shirtless and boisterous Jason Kelcey bombing out of 605 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: the Swede and tailgating with Bill's Mafia out in the snow, 606 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: there's obviously the whole side show that is Kansas City 607 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: right now. And then there's the big question about Lamar Jackson. 608 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: Kansas City's Patrick Mahomes, He's very motivated by the whole 609 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: road playoff narrative. Lamar Jackson's motivated by just playoffs period, 610 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: in terms of he was one to three until this 611 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 3: playoff wins. So okay, so much on the stake. How 612 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 3: about Baltimore that's going to host an AFC title game 613 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: for the first time since the nineteen seventy season, back 614 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: when the Colts beat the Raiders on the way to 615 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl championship. I had no idea. It had 616 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: been that long since they had hosted as a team 617 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: who has won a couple of Super Bowls since. So yeah, 618 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: there's a lot of great storylines and a lot to watch. 619 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: We bring it full circle here on Cardinals Cover two 620 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: with Jason Kelsey a man of the people. The pregame 621 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: video of him hanging out with Bill's mafia and then 622 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: watching his brother beat the Bills. I mean, what other player, 623 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: forget the NFL, but what other player in any other 624 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: sport can hang out with the opposing teams fans and 625 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: then root against that team's fans during when the game begins. 626 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: And you see the one video where he pops out 627 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: of the out of the suite through the open window, 628 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: down onto the concourse of the stairwell with the fans 629 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: and then just springs back up into the suite. That's 630 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: when you knew he's a professional athlete when the three 631 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: hundred pounder is able to do that kind of leg 632 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: drive and lift off the So yeah, but what a 633 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 3: master marketer of knowing that there's a lot of cameras 634 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of airtime to be had, and wow, 635 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: that's going to parlay well under their podcast will it not? 636 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: Oh yes, there's always some marketing angle to everything that 637 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: these athletes do. And hey, good for him because now 638 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: he can ride the coattails of his younger brother. 639 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: He's the new Gronk is what he is, right, He's 640 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 3: the new party football player, you know, man of the people. 641 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Gronk is just you know, is 642 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: both a noun and a verb at this point. So 643 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: Jason Kelcey, at some point Kelsey is going to be 644 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 3: the same. That's where it's trending, all right. 645 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: Which network lands Jason Kelcey for perhaps this Championship Sunday? 646 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: Dare I say, the two week run up to the 647 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? How many times do we see Jason Kelcey 648 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: on our television versus what we see when we scroll 649 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: up and down our phones. 650 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: You know, I would put Jason Kelcey on the sideline 651 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: with a season sideline reporter who can reel him in. 652 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Are you looking for a job, PAULI, but the assistant. 653 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm not putting myself in the category Tracy Wolfson or 654 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 3: Tom Ornaldi or Aaron Andrews. No, I'm just saying I 655 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 3: would put Jason if he's willing to, I'd put him 656 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 3: down there and then keep him away from the pregame, 657 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: you know, embibenments if you will, you know before and 658 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: make sure he's sober and ready to broadcast. But yeah, 659 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: that could be. That definitely has an angle to it. 660 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: You know, there's an appetite for him right now, there's 661 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: no doubt about it. 662 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: What we don't have an appetite for is a shirtless 663 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: Paul calvisy or a dancing no Paul calvisy. And I'll 664 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: put myself in that category as well. You won't see 665 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: either of us do that, at least when the cameras 666 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: are rolling. 667 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 3: Safe to say, let's not go full circle on that 668 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 3: narrative here on this edition of Cardinals Underground. There's no 669 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: doubt about that. I mean, look, do you think I 670 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 3: think America would love to see the Lions? What about 671 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: do you think my disdain for the Chiefs and the 672 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 3: Bills at this point it's just such a tired act. 673 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: I'm so tired of seeing the Chiefs and Mahomes and 674 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 3: the Kelsey's and Andy Read and you know, just the 675 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 3: whole haughty you know aspect of it. I just I 676 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 3: would love to see Ravens Lions in Super Bowl fifty eight. 677 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: So you have what has been known as Duke fatigue, 678 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: Yankee fatigue, Lakers fatigue, as far as those successful franchises 679 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: that are always in a year in and year out. 680 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 3: How about some new blood in this year's Super Bowl. 681 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 3: You know what, doctor Grilo. That's why I come in 682 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: for these appointments because yes, you diagnosed it perfectly. That's 683 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 3: exactly what it is. It's just fatigue at this point. 684 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 3: Let's see Lamar Jackson, Let's see the Detroit Lions. Let's 685 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: get some new blood and some new names and faces 686 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: and storylines and narratives. And I don't know if American 687 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 3: handled two weeks of wall to wall multi platform saturation 688 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 3: of the Kelsey's and Taylor Swift. I don't you know. 689 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: We already have enough issues on a global scale. We 690 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: don't need domestic issues like this. Craig just tearing us 691 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 3: apart at the seams as a society. 692 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: You know, I said you had an unpopular take during 693 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: this show earlier. I'm gonna say that is the best 694 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: take perhaps of the week, because as I think about it, yes, 695 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: two weeks, that is a long time to hear the 696 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: same stories over. 697 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 3: I mean, we got over, we got that last year. 698 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 3: Kelsey's mom, Right, Okay, we've all been there and done that. 699 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 3: Just please and you know, and look, I'm on some fronts, 700 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 3: is equally tired by you know, John Harbaugh. And then 701 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: that means we're gonna get a lot of Jim Harbaugh 702 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: because he'll jump in as well. 703 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if he takes a job with the Chargers 704 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: some other NFL team he's got, he'll be busy. 705 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 2: You're right. 706 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 3: No, you're right that that would preclude him from hanging 707 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 3: out with the Ravens. You're you're absolutely right about that. 708 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, you know, look, the eighty nine year 709 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: old season ticket holder of the Lions deserves a trip 710 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 3: to Vegas for this Super Bowl as just the punctuation 711 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: to this whole season and his fandom. 712 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: I can get on with that. We'll end here in agreements. 713 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: How about that, for the first time in a long 714 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: time agreeing on something. 715 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 3: By the way, what about the news Cardinals assistant coach 716 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 3: is going to be helping out with the Bowl games? Significant? Insignificant? 717 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: I mean, big deal. I feel like a lot of 718 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 3: the Cardinals draft picks and I don't have it in front 719 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 3: of me. Last year balled out at the Senior Bowl, 720 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 3: at the Shrine Bowl, and the fact that Cardinals had 721 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: assistant coaches on the front lines, behind the scenes a 722 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: lot of these players, because we know how how big 723 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 3: a deal it is the maniacibor Jonathan Gain in the 724 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 3: makeup and character aspect of the player and I real 725 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 3: tough to ascertain in a fifteen minute meeting at the combine. 726 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 3: But if you can spend a whole week around guys, 727 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: you can really get to know them and figure out 728 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: what they're all about. 729 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: Well, the perfect example is Clayton toone, he worked with 730 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: Israel Wolffork who was with the Browns at the time, 731 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: but wolf Work was the quarterbacks coach for the American 732 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: team and the twenty twenty three Senior Bowl is he 733 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: is back at the Senior Bowl now working with the 734 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: national team. He'll work with Sam Hartman out of Notre Dame, 735 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: bow Nicks out Oregon, and Michael Pennock Junior out of Washington. 736 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: Not to say that the Cardinals are going to draft 737 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback at four twenty seven, but to your point, yeah, 738 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: you get a little intel. And then how about Autrey Denson, 739 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 1: the Cardinals running backs coach. He's gonna be the running 740 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: backs coach for the American team at the Senior Bowl, 741 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: quality offensive quality control coach, Connor Singer the wide receivers 742 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: coach for the American team and the twenty twenty four 743 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And then Drew Terrell the passing game coordinator 744 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: and wide receivers coach. He's the offensive coordinator for the 745 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: East team in the East West Shrine Bowl. So yeah, 746 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: more intel when you can kind of get hands on 747 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 1: with a prospect as opposed to what you were saying 748 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: just that fifteen minute face to face at the combine 749 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: or you bring him in for a thirty visit. 750 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: So like, for example, Key Trell Clark really balled out 751 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 3: at the Shrine Game last year and he was coming 752 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 3: off a knee injury and he really wasn't himself according 753 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 3: to Key Trell Clark his final season at Louisville, But 754 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: by that time he got to that Shrine Bowl, he 755 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 3: said he really physically had totally recovered from that torn 756 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 3: acl and Cardinals coaches were there and they saw it firsthand, 757 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 3: and he competed and fared well, and boom, he was 758 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 3: a six round pick of the Cardinals. Now look at 759 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 3: Israel Wolfork as the QB coach working very interesting, Sam Hartman, 760 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 3: bow Knicks, Michael Pennix. A little shout out to coach 761 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 3: Wolfork KALVICI consulting the Polypigskin Division. Whenever you're doing an 762 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: interview on any of those guys, really talk them up, 763 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 3: really lavish the praise on try and help them climb 764 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 3: the draft board. So somebody is longing to make a 765 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: trade with the Cardinals at number four to grab a 766 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: bow Nix or Michael Pennix in particular, Israel Wolfork, you 767 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 3: can be a catalyst to get that avalanche rolling of 768 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 3: praise and props for these guys so they can become 769 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 3: the next Anthony Richardson. 770 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: The key to the twenty twenty four Arizona Cardinals draft 771 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: is Izzy. 772 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm only half kidding right here. If you can 773 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 3: start the hype train at the Senior Bowl and then 774 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, those guys do ball out, and 775 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 3: I'm guessing they probably will. I mean, as defense are 776 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 3: teams really playing, I mean lights out, all out defense 777 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 3: and some of these I guess, so I guess you 778 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 3: know these guys are getting looked at as well. But 779 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 3: I'm guessing the offense has an advantage and these All 780 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 3: Star Games and so okay, especially the way bo Nix 781 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 3: and Michael Pennix played experience, plug and play guys both 782 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 3: are older quarterbacks. So Hello Atlanta, Hello Denver, Hello Las 783 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 3: Vegas and Minnesota. Guess what Cardinals might have the key 784 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 3: to your next franchise quarterback. 785 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: Something to keep an eye on. And we'll do it 786 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: here as well. As far as these All Star Games 787 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: and who performs better. And perhaps maybe there wasn't a 788 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: link to whether it was a position coach or in 789 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: the case of Drew Correll, the offensive coordinator for one 790 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: of these games, because then you can point back to 791 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: this stretch in January early February at the Senior Bowl 792 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: coming up later on that all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, 793 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: you learn something, whether it's about a player that you 794 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: acquire i e. Draft or someone you might have to 795 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: face coming up this season or seasons beyond. 796 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 3: You know what I like about drewterrellis the offensive coordinator 797 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 3: and ostensibly the play caller is if there is a 798 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 3: receiver who really balled out during the week, don't feed him, 799 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: do not give him any opportunities in the game. Don't 800 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 3: let him have any game film for any other team 801 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 3: to see it. Keep that information under your own hat. 802 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 3: Do not give him the ball. Conversely, if there's all 803 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 3: your quarterbacks, I mean, you better throw at ninety percent 804 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 3: of the time. Forget the stink and run game showcase 805 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: your quarterbacks because maybe, just maybe some team might come 806 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 3: up with the Cardinals. I don't even know where the 807 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 3: quarterbacks are on the Shrine Bowl, but just throw the 808 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 3: dog out of the ball. 809 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: I was looking for Drew to sabotage the game of 810 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,439 Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Bowl for the Cardinals benefit though, 811 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: because that's what we have. We have the Cardinals' best interests. 812 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals Cover two, and on that note, we 813 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: will put a lid on this edition. Cardinals Cover two, 814 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals, has 815 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: always special thanks to our executive producer Joe Mama Hundre, 816 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fitcher. For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig 817 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: real Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on 818 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.