WEBVTT - G.I. Jane with Rhiannon Hamam 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:02.120 On the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:05.720 The questions asked if movies have women in them, are 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.399 all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.680 have individualism? It's the patriarchy. Zephy and Beast start changing 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.000 with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.880 Hey, Caitlyn, Hey Jamie. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.279 Have you ever wanted to watch a movie that's sort 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.840 of like Mulan but without literally anything that made it fun? 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.600 I can't say that I have wanted that too bad? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.400 Do I have the movie for you? Is it g 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:37.919 I Jane? It's with deepest regrets, it's g I Jane. Wow, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.040 there's what I mean there? What is this movie if 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.720 not the be a Man thing over and over and over, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.600 but with a soundtrack that is completely dissonant with what 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.080 is happening on screen. This, I mean, this is a 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.360 small nitpick to start with, but the soundtrack to this movie. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.080 I have a theory as to why it is the 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.400 way it is, but it's it's fun weird. Ridley Scott 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.399 is so all over the place. He really is what 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.920 goes through this man's head? But the why is why 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.440 is the pretenders in G I Jane? Like? Can we 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.680 leave them out of it? I don't like that the 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:18.200 pretender that Chrissy Hind got like G I Jane Dollar Anyways, anyways, there. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.560 The feel like making love. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:27.560 Honestly, why is that there? That's why Vigo morton'sage accent, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.080 Vigo Morton's in shorts. Why are so? And this this 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.200 is the this is the petty complaint Runk. There's also 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.240 I mean, but like, okay, Chrissy Hind, Randy Newman, Mozart, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.320 even Mozart's catching a stray by appearing in G. I. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.360 Jane Like, it's just you just hate to see you 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.400 hate to see it. Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. I 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.320 guess we were gonna have to cover this one eventually, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.120 weren't we. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.080 We were. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:53.680 Yeah. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.840 My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. This is 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.480 our show where we examine movies through an intern sectional 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.920 feminist lens, using the Bechdel test simply as a jumping 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:09.120 off point. That is a media metric, many different versions. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.920 I'm just gonna breeze through this today because there's so 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:12.919 much to talk about. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.440 I know, it's like, but it is, I mean, it's this, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.320 this movie is slippery in a way that like does 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.960 it pass the Bechdel Test? Sure, but at what cost? Exactly? 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.359 Exactly, so many different versions of the test. The one 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.320 that we use is do two characters of a marginalized 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.320 gender have names? Do they speak to each other? And 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.160 is there conversation about something other than a man? And 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.359 we ideally like it when it's a narratively meaningful conversation, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.200 which in this case, sure it's narratively meaningful, but is 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.160 the narrative at what jingoistic bullshit? 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.280 Yes, it's like if you had to email the Pentagon 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:59.639 to get your movie made. Reconsider Yeah all right, yeah, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.320 well buckle in because spoiler alert, it does pass the 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.560 Bechtel test. But that is literally what we will not really, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.160 I mean, it is relevant because it passes the Bechdel 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.360 test way before the Bechdel test was a culturally relevant marker, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.679 and it does so very intentionally, but to a very 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.720 nefarious end, which is to recruit women to the American military. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.960 Yes, indeed, at what cost? We have a wonderful guest. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.000 Let's get her in the mix. She is a lawyer 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.119 and host of the five to four podcast and popular 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.040 Cradle podcast. It's Rhan and Hamam. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.920 Hi welcome, hello, and you're welcome. You said you know, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.080 we'll just have to you know, we knew we'd have 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.440 to get to g I Jane at some point. You're 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.600 welcome for being the person that brought it to twenty 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:51.119 twenty five. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.840 For you guys, thank you came much true, It came true. Yeah, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.840 I guess to start, let's talk about our history with 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.560 this movie. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.880 Yeah, Rhannon, what's your relationship with it? 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:09.480 So this is really interesting because I had a childhood 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.120 relationship to this movie. Without seeing the movie as a child, 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.000 I had a relationship to it in that the promo 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.159 for the movie, Demi Moore and the casts, you know 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.880 what is it called their their publicity tour for it. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.320 Let's say the interviews that they gave. The hoopla that 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.040 was made about, in particular some of the what people 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.880 would call iconic scenes. Demi Moore shaves her head right 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.880 in this movie, those kinds of things. Demi Moore screams 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.920 at one point, suck my yes. That that sort of 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.359 like media really hit me as a kid. I remember 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.080 seeing things like this being like discussed on TV. And 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.800 you know Demi Moore's workout routine, these kinds of things right, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.920 and I as a child was even though let's go 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.640 ahead and get it out there. I'm Palestinian Arab growing 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.960 up in the time post Gulf War then post nine 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.200 to eleven. Right, So as a child, I was somehow 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.159 even with that context about myself out in the open here. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.320 As a child, I was not clocking that the movie 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:27.320 was about US imperialism, right, the violence of like the 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.960 US military. I was not clocking this at all. And 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.280 again I never saw I never saw the movie. So anyways, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:40.960 invited onto this podcast, was thinking immediately about, you know, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.720 when when I was a kid, what were the movies 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:49.839 that were like about being a badass lady, you know, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.679 being a powerful, strong lady, being one of the guys, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:06:01.760 even though you're a lady. So this this came up, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.280 and then now like as an adult watching it, I 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:09.280 have you know, the full layers, let's say, of like 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.560 perspectives and interpretations and analysis where you're just like, oh 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.680 my god, this is so so dark, darker than you know, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:24.040 even maybe like a sort of substanceless feminism, you know, Patina. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.800 Over all of this, it's even darker and more disappointing 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.280 and and sort of at root more violent than that. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.560 It's totally it's very this is a movie with a 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:41.479 dark energy, putting it in that category. Yeah, and I do. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.800 I feel like this movie did. I also hadn't seen 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.680 it before, but I felt like I did because it 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.320 was so It's so talked about. I mean, I unfortunately 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.600 one of the associations that I have with this is 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.120 like that g I Jane was name checked in the 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.920 slap incident. This is would remember that. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.839 WHOA, I don't know, I don't remember that. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.400 Yes, I blame my fiance for remind I don't know 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.880 why men think about this lap so much, but they do. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:19.320 But when Chris Rock was mocking Jada Pinkett Smith, he 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.320 called her GI Jane because she was bald. And all 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.360 that to say, for a movie that was not very 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.120 successful and pretty widely mocked in its time, it has 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:36.040 real cultural staying power. Yeah, and for like really bizarre reasons. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.520 Because this movie is clearly clearly has an agenda, and 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.160 it is to promote US imperialism and to bring the 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:49.440 third wave feminist movement under the umbrella of US imperialism 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.800 and sell it back to women. And I think that 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.160 that is why we get the weird soundtrack that we do. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.360 We're like, oh, and we've got your music, girl power. 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:00.800 I mean, there's so many things that this movie does 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.080 that is very nefarious to that end, but it has 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.440 its cultural legacy. I feel like it's a little harder 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.120 to pin down. I'm glad it wasn't more successful. It 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.640 doesn't seem like it had a top gun effect, but 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.800 it still does demonstrable harm because we're still talking about it. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.480 Yeah, yeah, you know. I think it's also a little 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:27.760 bit about selling feminism to men too, like because it's like, actually, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.560 they can be badasses and actually if the real goal 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.760 is like serving your country and shooting at the bad guys, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.880 then women can do that too. Maybe, you know. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.280 Yeah, it's feminism for like sexist men who like the 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.000 type of feminism that they could get behind or digest. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.800 Almost yes, I mean it's like so constantly dissonant, where 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.400 every other scene it's like it will start to make 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.280 a point but then fail to interrogate the system that 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.680 that point is being made inside of. So it's it's 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.360 totally meaningless all the way down to like the turf 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:12.160 Senator herself, like where you're like, yes, like she's she 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.040 is kind of like Nancy pelosiing her way through life. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.800 This is a valid criticism. There are people who do this, 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:23.240 who weaponize identity politics against people like but then fails 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.080 to it. But they were like, and and you know 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.520 who really has it figured out? The Navy, And You're like, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:33.440 what do you mean? What do you mean? Her being 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.600 the big bad is so weird, Like it's just like 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.520 I don't I don't know, I don't know what the 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.160 fuck there. I mean, I do know what the fuck 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.800 they're on about, and it's very frustrating, very uh. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 I had also never seen this movie, but I remember 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.840 it being a big deal when it came out. It 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.040 was the same year as Titanic nineteen ninety seven. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.200 So it never stood a chance. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.520 So I was busy and with. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:57.360 Making an impact. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.520 Yeah right, but this movie was marketed to all hell 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.120 I remember there was just like yeah, like you mentioned 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.640 Rihann in different images or scenes from it. That just 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:15.160 became part of the cultural zeitgeist. But I just I've 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.080 never been interested in war or military movies, so I 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.760 was like miss me with this, no thank you. So 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.600 I just watched it for the first time the other day, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.880 and I don't really know what I was expecting, and 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.560 it kind of it sort of like was everything I 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.360 was expecting and nothing I was expecting at the same time. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.720 It was a bizarre experience. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.640 But and I feel like it Also we'll talk about 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.800 this later, but like where it's really Scott's filmography is 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:45.880 so fucking weird. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.240 How can he make Thelma and Louise and this also 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.640 like I don't know, he was just like also not 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.880 that like film and Louise is a post child for 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.160 perfect feminism or anything, but but for. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.000 Its time I mean. But also I mean it's just 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.440 like the movie he made immediately after Thoma and Louise 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.240 was fourteen ninety two Conquest of Paradise. So this guy 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.520 is a girl boss imperialist. Like I don't I which 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.040 those exist, but it's just I don't know, yeah, the 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.880 But then he also makes Gladiator, which is like anti 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.240 imperial he maybe just wants to work. I don't fucking 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.120 get it. I was. He also makes black Hawk Down, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:31.160 which is right, also very like military copaganda. I'm gonna 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.080 look up if that one did, because this movie didn't 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.160 get the Pentagon Seal of Approval, but mostly for like 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.760 perverted reasons, where Ridley Scott was like, no, her superior 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.480 does have to look at her in the shower, and 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.040 you're like, that's the reason that that's. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.400 The nipples are hard in uh in A lot of 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:49.040 that have to talk. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.120 I'll talk about that later. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.800 But she doesn't care. She's just she's just one of 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.360 the boys. She's just one of the boys. I want 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.880 to be treated just like everyone else badly. You're like, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.000 what the fuck, it's wild. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.680 Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.400 to recap the. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:18.000 Movie, and we're back. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.640 Okay. So here's g I Jane nineteen ninety seven. So 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.640 we open on a hearing where this guy named Hayes, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.280 who is vying to become Secretary of the US Navy, 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.200 is giving a testimony. But Senator de Haven, who's a 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:39.880 whoa whoa whoa woman. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:41.920 She's not afraid to say it. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:43.360 Yeah. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:48.320 This senator interrogates Hayes about the abysmal treatment of women 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.960 in the military and how there are all these barriers 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.160 women aren't allowed to do, like a quarter of the 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.280 jobs in the military, and she wants full integration of 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.480 women in the US military, which is something the Department 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.480 of Defense will agree to if candidates who are women 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:12.040 are able to prove they measure up to the men 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.120 in a series of test cases, but the high ranking 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:23.000 men who want this program to fail select the Navy 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.880 Seals as the test case where women would have to 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:31.800 prove themselves because the Navy Seals training is famously, very 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.559 very difficult. It has a sixty percent dropout rate, meaning 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:40.160 most men can't even handle it, so there's no way 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.360 a woman will be able to. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.560 How many times do they say this sixty percent dropout 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.080 rate in the movie explicitly? So many times that they 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.480 just throw out that stat to remind us, you know, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:52.800 it's really hard. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.319 It's so hard, it's. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.200 So hard to do this. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:56.400 The stakes are high. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:57.520 Yeah. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.680 Then we meet Lieutenant Jordan O'Neill played by Demi Moore. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:07.880 Her name is not Jane, no shocking, Yeah, it is Jordan. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.959 I had no idea. Why why not just call it? 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.120 I mean, the name Jordan was not sticking for me. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.200 All my notes say Jane. Right. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.520 So she works at the Naval Intelligence Center doing some 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:29.080 sort of strategist analyst whatever intelligence job, and we see 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.920 her mid mission. Seems like she's good at her job, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.000 and of course she's surrounded by men who tell her 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.360 to know her place and not step out of line 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.160 or whatever. And she's being told this by someone who 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.120 It took me a while to figure this out because 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.119 all the men in this movie look the same to me, exactly. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.240 Okay, okay, I was waiting for someone to say it. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.400 You'rs like, I don't know who these guys are. I 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.560 was like, do we like that one? I don't, don't. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:03.040 I don't know, But this man is a don't step 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.920 out a line. And it turns out out to be 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:05.720 her boyfriend. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:07.480 Yeah, they live together. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.960 They live and not only did they live together, they 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.880 take they take baths together like they're twins. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:19.880 It's twins. I guess maybe when you're a child. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:27.840 Zoom for efficiency's sake, I wasn't talking about adult twins. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:33.160 Meanwhile, Senator de Haven is reviewing candidates to join this 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:38.160 test program, and she thinks this Jordan O'Neill has potential 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.440 because she's attractive and feminine. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.800 Yeah. Yeah, transphobia already entered into the movie in this scene. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.520 Yeah, and with photos too, which is absurd. Yeah. The 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.960 first the first person who is suggested, she's like, oh, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.480 too strong, people are gonna like she drops chromosomes, Yeah, and. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.440 Musom test on this person kind of thing. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.840 And there's like this heavy indication that I'm like, well, 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.360 at least she turns out to be the villain, but 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.240 that's just it was like out of pocket. Immediately she 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.840 checks that, which this is a weird planted payoff. She 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.520 wants to make sure that Debi Moore is straight. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.360 Yeah, she says, I don't want you batting for the 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:21.040 other side. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.520 Yeah, it's like it's such a nineties dork loser like 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.160 way to phrase that, but yeah, I feel like she's 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.800 trying to say, like, well, are you normal, because we 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.680 need a normal person quote unquote to do this, and 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.000 then like all of the prejudices that come with what 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.960 she considers normal, we're safe to advance her career. I'm 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.800 not really sure what she's trying to do it. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.920 But it's really unclear. I had to watch these scenes 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.120 a few times to try to figure it out, and 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.000 I'll try to explain it when we get there, but 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.200 I'm just like, what is going on here? Yeah, but 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:02.200 after they say a very like transphobe turfey remark, this 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.800 senator also sees another picture of a woman who is 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.800 tall and thick and muscular. She has kind of more 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.439 masculine features, and they mock her and they're like, is 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.320 this the face of someone you want on newsweek? She 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.239 looks like the wife of a Russian beat farmer, and 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.680 you're just like, holy shit, what. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:26.920 A specifically hateful joke, Like who wrote that? Yeah? 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.160 So anyway, they're reviewing all these candidates and they select 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.240 Jordan as the person they want to recruit into this 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:40.359 program on the condition that Jordan is not gay. And 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.640 we'll talk about that. Don't ask, don't tell of at all, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:49.000 because like the senator is very explicitly asking. But anyway, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:49.679 like was. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.560 It that the whole Wasn't that the thing? 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.520 She's like, I know I'm supposed to not ask, but 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:55.360 I'm asking. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.520 I'm asking, and you'd better tell, he says. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.040 She says, I just want to. She says something like, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.440 I just want to make sure you have a solvent 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.720 heterosexual at home. Yeah, like that you have a male. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:13.159 Partner and they're so heterosexual that they take baths together. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.240 Yeah, we're doing foot stuff. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.359 Yeah. Cut we cut to Demi Moore's feet. I believe 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.639 a total of three times. One time when they're like, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.359 your foot's all fucked up, and it cuts to the foot, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.399 You're like, I hate to say the foot I didn't 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:29.040 need to see the. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.320 Foot almost like a Tarantino movie in that way. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.080 Yeah. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.919 Anyway, she does have a heterosexual boyfriend. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.720 His name is Royce Solvent, heterosexual at home. Yeah, and 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.440 don't worry, he hates her. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.960 He is not supportive of her goals because she's interested 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.679 in this opportunity, but she doesn't want to be a 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:54.120 poster child for women's rights. She just wants the operational 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.679 experience so that she can advance her military career in 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.800 a way that she's not able to now with all 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.360 these sexist roadblocks. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.080 So already we're not on board with the goal, right, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.640 Like the goal is bad, the goal. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.320 Is real bad. And Royce points out that the men 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.280 in the training program will make her life a living hell, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.000 and he's not wrong, but he's also like, well, I 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.960 don't want to wait for you if you go off 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.240 to war. I expect you to wait for me, but 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.480 I'm not gonna do that for you. And then I 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.199 don't know if they break up or if he just 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.440 kind of like leaves in a huff, But that doesn't 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:41.240 really end well. Jordan arrives at a naval base in 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.720 Florida to begin her Navy seal training. She meets her 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.159 commanding officer, who's like, oh god, a woman. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:55.000 I guess his reasons for hating women. He gives later 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.560 is very funny. It made me laugh where he's like 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.280 guy in a car, Like I was like, he's just 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:02.960 saying shit. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.399 It's like that has nothing to do with you, and like, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.600 would never inconvenience you, right. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:11.800 He's also he says like, I need to hire a 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.800 guy in a collegist now to keep track of your 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.399 pap smears. And it's like she's only there for three months. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.280 We don't need a bunch of pop smears during that time. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.160 Like how many pap smears was she forced to get 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.119 during her time? 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.240 I don't know anyway, so he's not thrilled about her 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.879 being there. We also meet some of her fellow trainees, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.080 who of course are all men, and they're talking about 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.520 how women can't do what we do. They're too weak 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.480 and they have too much body fat. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.760 And one guy is named Flea, which is my cats, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.720 which I found very distracting. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:52.720 I wrote that in my notes, so I was like 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.200 Jamie's cat alert flee. 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.920 He flee would never do anything that. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.720 The other flee does. He would never join the military. 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.840 It's a man of integrity exactly. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:08.720 In addition to Flee, there are guys like McCool Wickwire Cortes, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.720 Jim Cavizl is there playing a guy named Slovnik, and 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:18.560 they hate her immediately. Then she settles into her like 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.359 R and R quarters, which is just an empty room 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.119 because it's separated by gender and she's the only woman. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.560 Then it's the first day of training. We meet Command 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.320 Master Chief Ergale played by Vigo Mortensen. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.440 Short shorts Viego Mortenson shorts. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.560 Are so short the entire film. Yeah, did he ask 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.080 for that, leggy Vigo Mortensen. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.359 We don't see the legs on literally any other character, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.560 including I think maybe Demi Moore a couple times, because 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.040 as we'll talk about, there's like, I guess they could 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.080 have done worse with hyper fixating on her body, but 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.320 they definitely don't miss the opportunity too. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.280 Sure. Well, it seems like all of the whatever like 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.879 leaders of this training program are wearing the same short 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.640 shorts because there's a few of them and I only 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.520 notice one para legs same. Yeah, it seems like it 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.320 was all Vego. I was looking at all the legs. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:24.760 But in any case, he's one tough sombitch. And everyone 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:29.960 starts the very vigorous and brutal training, obviously lots of 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.040 physical exercise. They're fighting over food, they're having to eat 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.200 it back out of the trash again. They're plunging into 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.280 freezing cold water. They have to write an essay about 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.800 why they love the United States Navy. The drill sergeants 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.439 are screaming and belittling them, and this is all just 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:49.520 in the first day. 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:55.199 Yeah, there's so many montages in this movie. It's exhausting, truly. 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:03.159 Gi Jordan is struggling, but she's not the worst at 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.119 this and she's very determined, even though a lot of 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.040 the men are cruel to her, especially this guy Cortes, 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.119 has a vendetta against her. But again she's very determined. 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.520 Though for those who are not determined to complete the training, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.399 they have to ring this bell three times and it 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:25.280 signifies their resignation. So that's always kind of like looming 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:30.040 over everyone. Then there's this obstacle course, which they make 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.160 to be like a war zone with the officers shooting 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:38.360 at them. Yeah, but there are these like booster steps 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:44.240 for women and women only time advantages. But Jordan doesn't 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.000