1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck? How you doing man Man good? 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I was excited. It's a grateful Bowl week always. Yeah, 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: we got a little a little shorter pod for you today. Um. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: But we we had a chance to visit with Jim Nag. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: If you listen to the previous episode, you heard him 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: along with Bruce Feldman. If you haven't listened that when, 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: I encourage you to go back and listen to it, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: all about all the craziness in college football and the 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: shake up with all these coaching moves. Um. So that 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: was a fun one. But we also had a chance 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: to visit with Jim for for quite a bit on 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: the Reese's Senior Bowl. He's the executive director of the 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl. Had a chance to talk with him 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: about how that roster shaping up, strengths and weaknesses of 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: this draft class, among other things. Great to catch up 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: with our buddy Jim Nagy. All right, Jim, I'm excited 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: to have you on today. We appreciate your time. I 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: want to start. First of all, you had some some 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: big additions here to the Senior Bowl. Over the last 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: week or two. I feel every couple of days we're 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: getting another big name. It's shaping up to be a 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: heck of a roster. I know you guys have done 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job, but in terms of the quarterback position, 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: where the things stand right now, who do you have 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: in Yeah, a couple of big announce since we have 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: Bailey's appy from Western Kentucky, which is he's gonna be 29 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: a really cool story. Guys. It's kind of like Minshew 30 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, out of nowhere as a 31 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: senior Houston Baptist, leading the country and passing yards in touchdown. 32 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: So we're we're excited to get Bailey. But two big 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: ones over the weekend we dropped Malik Willis from Liberty 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: and Desmond Ridder from Cincinnati. Um, so you know, I 35 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: think the two of those two guys are both gonna 36 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: be in the mix for that first round conversation. I 37 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: think we're starting at a different point last year. I 38 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: think that that that group of five that all went 39 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: in the top fifteen, I think most of them were 40 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: up there in the top fifteen when we started the process. 41 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: I think this year's class will be starting a little 42 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: bit down the line from there, probably late one, early 43 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: two for most of them, and then we'll see where 44 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: it goes from there. And hopefully, um, the way I 45 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: look at it and just knowing the grad status and 46 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: some of these guys, I think we'll have five of 47 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: the top six in the Senior Bowl. Um, so will 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: be a really cool evaluated week. But but back to 49 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Malik and Desmond. We have seen both those guys play 50 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: this fall and met them both that camps over the 51 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: summer and watch them, watch them throw live. Um, They're 52 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: both gonna be really fun to watch during the week. 53 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: They bring different things to the table as players. But 54 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: to get two guys that were really excited about bringing 55 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a mobile, you know, and in thinking about the quarterback 56 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: conversation and you talked about not only these two guys, 57 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Desmond and Malik, but maybe some of the other guys 58 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: that you bring on board. How do you manage that 59 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: situation when you have a very competitive quarterback room where 60 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: everyone is trying to be showcased, but they're also trying 61 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: to compete and move up and down the draft board 62 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: based on how they perform in a big arena. Yeah, 63 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing, um, you know the thing 64 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: the first part is getting the players to commit to 65 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: the game right, and then it's putting the rosters together. 66 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: You know, it's putting the rosters together for the two 67 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: teams that coached the game, and uh, you know we 68 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: we usually put them together and then the team with 69 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: the worst record. So like, if we started today, I 70 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: think the two teams would be Detroit in Houston. You 71 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: know we I'd give Detroit the first pick of the roster. 72 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: But I'll work with those guys if they're you know, 73 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: we've had that in the past week, that little behind 74 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: the scenes trades happen where where one team where one 75 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: team feels good about a certain position group, um, and 76 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: not so good about another and they're like, hey, you 77 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: know we're pretty good on the d line. We'll we'll 78 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: give you these three d lineman if we could have 79 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: those three old lineman. So, um, that's kind of a fun, 80 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: fun part of the process as well. But I think, 81 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: you know, with the quarterback position, and if those are 82 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: the two teams, they might be two quarterback needy teams. 83 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: So we'll be kind of splitting up that quarterback group 84 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: and who's with who's with with each club. I think 85 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: that'll be that'll be a fun part of it. Every 86 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: year is different in terms of the draft class, and 87 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's the Senior Bowl is such a 88 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: great kind of initiation for draft fans to get in 89 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: there and see what the shape of the draft looks 90 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: like in terms of strengths and weaknesses different positions. Um, 91 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: just kind of as I'm I'm digging in and getting 92 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: into this process, man, it seems like the tight end 93 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: group compared to years past, is really really strong. I 94 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: know last year we had talked a bunch about the 95 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: fact we just didn't have defensive tackles, so you're having 96 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: to take ends and kick him in and you know, 97 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: just you know, showing a good chance to show off 98 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: some versatility of some of those guys didn't have any 99 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: true d t s. One of those two position groups 100 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: look like so far. Yeah, you're absolutely right on the 101 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: tight ends. I mean some years it's tough to get 102 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: to six um that we feel really good about. And 103 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: when I say that, like like easily draftable, like safely 104 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: draftable guys. We're trying to get four fifth round and 105 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: higher because as you guys know, a guy runs slow 106 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: time in the spring or something character pops up or 107 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: a medical pops up, and if he's in that six 108 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: seventh round and he's just falling out of the draft. 109 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, So this year's tight end group, we 110 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: could probably go ten deep um and feel good about it. 111 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: Ten or eleven deep. Um. Though there's there's a junior 112 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: in the mix there that, uh, if he comes out, 113 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: will bolster that group as well. But but that's a 114 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: really strong group. I've started with probably Trey McBride. He's 115 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: are from Colorado State, you know, being out there in 116 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: the Mountain West. I don't know if a lot of 117 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: draft fans, you know, watch a lot of West football, 118 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: but but trays a guy that I do think could 119 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: end up in the first on when it's all said 120 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: and done. Um, you know, really really really good in 121 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: the past game, high end athlete, toful blocks, you know, 122 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: really in all around tight end. And then you you 123 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: brought up last year's game with the interior defensive line 124 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: that was that was really a thin position group for us. 125 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: And like you said, we brought some guys down like Tweeners, 126 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Tehron Jackson sample dam sample from from two lane and 127 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: let them kind of cross train and and you know, 128 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff at three technique in one 129 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: on one pass for us, stuff that I think helped 130 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: those guys. But there are more viable, bigger body guys 131 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: this year. We won't have those depth this Yeares. I 132 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a more balanced defensive line crew. 133 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: We really like the edge group this year. Last year's 134 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: group was really strong. We like this year's group as well. 135 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: But there's more bigger, viable bodies to bring mobile this year. 136 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: You know, Jim, when you look around the league, you 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: know you're seeing the renaissance of the running back. We're 138 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: seeing differ kind of running backs beginning being able to 139 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: make their way. What is that running back? Whatever run 140 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: back class looked like for you because you had a 141 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: lot of guys that have come from the Senior Bowl, 142 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: they've had a media success the National Football Yeah. Yeah, 143 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: bringing it back to last year, UM, it's such a 144 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: weird position group now. Guys like we had guys like 145 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert in the fourth round on our board. Last 146 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: year we had Michael Carter in the third round. Um, 147 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: we had Elijah Mitchell you know in the in the 148 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: fourth round. He went in the sixth and these guys 149 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: are showing out and playing great as rookies. Um, this 150 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: year's class, there's gonna be. There's gonna be similar Like 151 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: it's an unshored up group right now, because um, there's 152 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: one in it. There's one in Tuscaloosa whose coach hasn't 153 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: given him as in like yet. Uh so we're waiting 154 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: on that one. Um. There's a couple of juniors, a 155 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: couple of big name juniors that are could be playing 156 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: in the college football playoff, Um, that were waiting on. 157 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: But the guys that have committed, Um, you know there's 158 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: gonna be, there's gonna be some of those guys, like 159 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: the fourth fifth round type of guys, just because of 160 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: where we're at with the position and teams waiting that 161 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: will that will really emerge. I'm actually peeking over at 162 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: the board right now. UM. You know, I'm excited about 163 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: our two fullbacks really guys. And and something that popped 164 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: up on Twitter yesterday Jeremiah Hall from Oklahoma or Hayward 165 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: from Michigan State. UM, I think there are the two 166 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: best fullbacks in the draft. You know, we we sometimes 167 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: we struggle at that position. Sometimes we take a tight 168 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: end um like Kyl and Granson last year and Josiah 169 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: Dabar the year before, and guys like that. We've got 170 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: these two. And Jeremiah Hall from Oklahoma posted the other 171 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: day on Twitter that they were on the same a 172 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: AU basketball team and Georgia going up as kids. Connor 173 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Hayward was the point guard and Jeremiah is the power forward. 174 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: So um, kind of cool how that worked out that 175 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: we get a four. We were having like an AU 176 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: basketball reunion. You when you're when you're watching, when you're 177 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: watching these games after the invites have gone out, I'm 178 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: curious your mindset because it's kind of it's reminiscent too, 179 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: right when when you're with teams and you draft guys, 180 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: you get out there and all the offseason O T 181 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: A s and stuff. There's two things you're worried about, right. 182 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Number one, gosh, I hope he's as good as I 183 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: thought he was when we drafted him. And number two is, oh, 184 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: please don't get hurt like you are. U. Is it 185 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the same exact emotions and feelings now in this role? 186 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: It is, and it's it's it's this, it's please don't 187 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: get hurt you know, just just because then you're the 188 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: roster attrition part of it, You're gonna have to go 189 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: to the next guy down the line. But no, it's 190 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: and really, the the cool part about this job is 191 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: guys is, as you know, working for teams, Like it's 192 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: fun that rookie year, seeing which rookies developed, and especially 193 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: the guys that you you played a part in bringing 194 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: them to your team. You watch those guys through their 195 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: career and you, I mean, you're pulling for everyone on 196 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: your team. But it's cool when the guys that you 197 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: helped bring in make place for your team. Um, that's 198 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: the fun part about this job is on Sundays, you know, 199 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: sitting down and watching the Elijah Mitchell's and watching them 200 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Jrs. And the Terry mclaurin's and Justin Herbert 201 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: and these guys go on and do great things. You 202 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of sit back and like, I'm not I don't 203 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: have a rooting interest in the league anymore. I don't 204 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: have a team. You know, I still have. I still 205 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: feel a connection to Seattle. But but again, even looking 206 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: at that roster four years later, there's not many guys 207 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: left from when I was there. Um, so it's just 208 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: cool to kind of get on the red Zone channel 209 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: and just watch those guys, watching these former senior both 210 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: do the thing uncomfortable here. It kind of make him uncomfortable. 211 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,359 Speaker 1: But real quick, yeah, you go ahead, make him uncomfortable, 212 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: all right, Jim. I want to see how you. I 213 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: want to as a as a as somebody who has 214 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: to maintain relationships with so many different people. In this role, 215 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: you have to be so politically correct. So I'm gonna 216 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: challenge your political rightness right now. Seattle. And where they are, 217 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: the team you work with for a long time. You 218 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: have a zillion friends there, personnel and coaches. Is it 219 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: time for a reset there in terms of and I'm 220 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: not talking about whether that's Pete or John or Russell, 221 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: but is it time to kind of say, okay, it's 222 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: time to close the door on that previous chapter and 223 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: kind of take that thing to the studs. I don't 224 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: know about a reset, that's a pretty strong word, Daniel, Um, 225 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a time in the off season 226 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: of real self reflection on where we're at as an organization. 227 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: I know that they had they thought they had a 228 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: good team, you know, they thought they had a good 229 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: roster going into this year. And again, I don't know 230 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: how much Russell's injuries affecting him. I know, watching that 231 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: game the other night, he sure didn't look himself. I 232 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: watched every game he's played since two thousand and twelves 233 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: since when I got there, and that didn't even look 234 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: remotely like the same player. So I hope that's injury related. 235 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: I hope it's the fact that he rushed back and 236 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: try to get back on the field for his guys. Um. 237 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: But there's still good players on that roster. You look 238 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: at even the young guys Jordan Brooks and Darryl Taylor. Um. 239 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: You know you have, you know, the two safeties, Digs 240 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: and Adams. I mean, there's there's good players there. Um 241 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: or whatever reason, it's a legal momentum. I know, you 242 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: guys worked for teams both ways. You both were a 243 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: part of good teams, and you probably had a couple 244 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: of years where you struggled. I know I I did. 245 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: But when Lucky didn't get to play, he didn't have 246 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: any of those crappy teams. He didn't have the Cleveland 247 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: expense nags might No, he wasn't around. And see how 248 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: we were absolutely terrible my first few years here. So Sundays, 249 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: you guys, and it's a it's a legal momentum and 250 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: and right now, I mean, you can ride it. You 251 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: can ride some early success and just ride that wave 252 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: and get through a year and be fourteen and two, 253 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, when you might be a ten six team 254 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: on paper and the other way around. That's one of 255 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: the years my last in Kansas City. We we finished 256 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: two and fourteen. We came out of the gates. We 257 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: we felt like we had a good roster. We're coming off, 258 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of decent years ten and six, 259 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: nine and seven type seasons and then the bottom to 260 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: spell out. And again I think Seattle right now, there's 261 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: a lot of negative momentum going on with the team, 262 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: and uh, that's been tough to watch. I mean, I 263 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: want to make sure I give you a positive note 264 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: because one of the teams that you also work for, 265 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: we the Patriots. Are you amazed at how they've been 266 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: able to turn this around in the way in which 267 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: they've turned it around. That, yeah, on both sides of 268 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: the ball, it's been fun to watch. So they went 269 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: out and they brought in like the Matt Judans, and 270 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: they put some money into the defense. You've got some 271 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: young guys like Kyle Dogger really stepping up and becoming 272 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: a player. Um. And then offensively, to see what they've 273 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: done in the last month or so with Mac Jones 274 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: and and what and again, I think that everyone's making 275 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: excuses for Mac success that can we just give the 276 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: guys some credit back and they're starting to open things 277 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: up more so for them to be riding a six 278 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: game winning street. Now they're playing complementary football. Um and again, 279 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: I think there's some other teams in the league right 280 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: now that aren't doing that. They're really one side of teams. 281 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: This new illing thing is coming together the way that 282 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: coach Belichick wants it to play that complimentary. They're good 283 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: in a kicking game there. I thought, you know, when 284 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: we started the year, there would be a team that 285 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: no one wanted to play in December. You know, they'd 286 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: they'd be that five hundred type team. And they're playing 287 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: well beyond that now now they're a team that that's 288 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: truly a dangerous team going into the playoffs. Defensively, Nags 289 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: haven't been in that organization. I mean, is there a 290 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, a Belichick's obviously he's a genius and what 291 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: he does. But is there a secret sauce in terms 292 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: of the evaluation process, like we talk about, um, kind 293 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: of those uh uh, those things that you cannot you 294 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: can't make an exceptions on, Like there's there's certain absolutes 295 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: that you say, Okay, nope, not not gonna fit. Are there? 296 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: What are some of those absolutes that you had and 297 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: scouting in that organization? And what is the you know, 298 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: in your opinion, kind of the secret sauce offensively because 299 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: the last six games, haven't anybody throw more in two 300 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: or twenty three yards, five touchdowns, eleven picks? Like nobody's 301 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: throwing the ball against this team at all? Right right now? 302 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: I would say the one, the one even going back 303 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: to my time, there's just football intelligence on that side 304 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: of the ball. You know, there was really two things 305 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: that two things that that made scouting that that place 306 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: is great. You know what we we look for versatility 307 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: in football intelligence. They kind of go hand in hand, right, 308 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: I Mean, to be versatile, you've gotta be a smart 309 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: football player. Um. And the other thing I was appreciated is, 310 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think every staff in the world I 311 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: think every coaching staff says, tell me what the guy 312 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: can do, and we'll figure out a way to do it. 313 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Like Coach Belichick always did that, you know, like a 314 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: player motive. It might only be good at a couple 315 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: of things, but man, that staff figuring on a way 316 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: to really use that. So I would I would say 317 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that just the just the instincts, the football intelligence, the versatility, 318 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: the ability to adapt week to week. I mean, I 319 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: think even offensively, they're a week to week game plan team. 320 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: They always have been, whether it was you know, Josh 321 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: McDaniels or whoever was you know Bill O'Brien when he 322 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: when he was the offensive coordinator. They they're a game 323 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: planned specific team and you need smart football players to 324 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: do that. And I think, uh, that's why they're hard 325 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: to match up against. They don't they don't show you 326 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: the same thing. They're gonna adapt every week. Last one, 327 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: last one, Negs, We're gonna let you run on this one. 328 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: Last one. I need um from your time on the road. Um, 329 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: I need one Bucky Brooks story from from challenging you. 330 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: It could be it could go back to Green Bay. 331 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean you can give I I just need. I 332 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: need we've done the show forever many years. We've done 333 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: it Buck eight nine years we've been doing the show. 334 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: I just want to I want to know something about 335 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks that I don't already know. Next you put 336 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: me on the spot, you need to know. You need 337 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: to feed me this question before we get on the 338 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Put you on the hot seat, Buddy, I put you 339 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: on the hot seat. You know if we have any 340 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: because like we were we were together in Green Bay 341 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: and Nags. It just started as the antern and we 342 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: would chet in the locker room. But like I mean, 343 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: so we go way back to the beginning. But it 344 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: was what was his reputation in the building, Nags? Like, 345 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: what what was the reputation in the building with Buck? Dude? 346 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: That was a scrub. I was at the bottom of 347 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: the charts. I'm just trying. I want to I just 348 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: want to know. I know what you say. I want 349 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: to know what he said. I've said this before about 350 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: about Bucky. I mean, I've always appreciated Buck because I 351 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: was man. I was the low man on the totem 352 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: pole in that organization. I was the intern that that 353 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't get lower than me. And Bucky 354 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: was always cool man and that like, and that's honestly, 355 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's what made that super Bowl winning 356 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: team good, that ninety Packers team. There was good dudes 357 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: in that locker room. I mean there's to me, there's 358 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: something to that. There's a way to build your locker 359 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: room like sucking. I mean, that was a good group 360 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: of guys. They just had the Super Bowl this year, um, 361 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: and I know some of them that that's still to 362 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: this day a tightly knit group of guys. But uh no, 363 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: Buck was great in terms of scouting stories. I don't know, man, 364 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he was the guy that was you know, 365 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: he'd always be the guy that showed up at ten o'clock. 366 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: You know, he was always always okay, you have done, hey, guys, 367 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: eight hours takes meet like two or three, like whatever 368 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: it takes, right. I honestly miss um, I honestly miss 369 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: I know you guys are crushing it and what you 370 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: guys do, and I'm so happy for all your guys 371 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: success in what you're doing. But I do miss the 372 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: days of us just showing up at a school together 373 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: BS and our way through a day and having fun. Man, 374 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: that's nothing can do with this, I know, I know 375 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: we ever told the story. I don't think we ever 376 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: told the story. Nags on here and we don't have 377 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: to go the whole story. But like Buck, that was 378 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Jim was the first person in the NFL that I 379 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: told that. I was leaving scouting and going to go 380 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: into television where it was Eugene. Right next we were 381 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: at the Eugene Courtyard getting ready to go to Oregon's 382 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: pro day and and DJ dropped that bomb. We were 383 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: sitting in the you know courtyards, got that by the 384 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: by the check in area. Yeah you've been I know 385 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: you've stayed in that court are a million times. But uh, 386 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: but yeah, he dropped it. He's like him, He's like, next, 387 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm getting out, And I was like, what what are 388 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: you talking about? No, I don't know how many years 389 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: ago that was for it, it it seems like a long 390 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: time ago. But man, it's it's been cool seeing both 391 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: you guys do your thing. No, it's been fun to 392 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: to keep up with you over the years. You've done 393 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job with the recas Senior Bowl. It looks 394 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: like it's shaping up to be a great roster. We're 395 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna have you on again as the rosters are revealed, 396 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: so we'll really dig into these guys and UH and 397 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: get everybody fired up for draft season. You are the best, Jim, 398 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your friendship. Keep killing it, buddy, and we'll talk 399 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: real soon. Thank you guys. All Max is great. Buck Again, 400 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody, if you haven't, go back and 401 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: listen to the previous episode as well to hear everything 402 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: that happened in the college football world. But shaping up 403 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: to be a really good RecA Senior Bowl this year. 404 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: Look always a ton of talent and um. You know, 405 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we talked about all 406 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: Star games in the importance in the EB any waste 407 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: your process having an opportunity to see these guys take 408 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: pro coaching against the top players in the country. It's 409 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: really really important. And even though I come from the background, 410 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys did this at your 411 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: previous stops where look, man, we were great. Differently, you 412 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: had your regular season great based on what they did 413 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: in college, but then you had your All Star game great. 414 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: And sometimes that all star grade can be a little higher. 415 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: It can make you go back and re evaluate, Um, 416 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: some of the things that you looked at during the season. 417 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: It may not make you change you great, but you 418 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: go back and look at the tape and say, hey, 419 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: he played really well in the Senior Bowl. I don't 420 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: know what happened in the ravel season. Was doing injury? 421 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: Was there something that impacted that? So you can bind 422 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: all those things with the conversations that you're having in 423 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: have been a great thing. So it's a great experience 424 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: for all the prospects, and it's a terrific experience, an 425 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: opportunity for evaluators to get a chance to look at 426 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: these guys in a different environment than we've seen them 427 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: for three or four years in college. I know at 428 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: one point in time there were old school scouts and say, oh, 429 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: don't get too caught up in what happens in these 430 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: all star games, like stick to what you saw in 431 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: the fall. But I'm telling you, man, when you go 432 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: back through and look at kind of the last eight 433 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: to ten years, I mean the guys that have shown 434 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: out in the Senior Bowl, the Deebo Samuel's, the Cooper Cups, 435 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: on and on and on. You know, justin Herbert, those 436 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: guys that have had good weeks down there. Most of 437 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: those guys have hit now, I can't remember many of 438 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: it used to be back there. You give examples. I 439 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: remember Danny Watkins was good down there and he didn't 440 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: work out. Remember Matt Jones, the receiver, uh, the quarterback 441 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: receiver convert from Arkansas, had a good week down there. 442 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: He didn't translate. For the most part, in recent memory, 443 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: all the guys that have showed up down there and 444 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: up their stock, it's ended up being a good pick. Yes, 445 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: ended up being a good pig. Because what you get 446 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: a jance to do is you get to see good 447 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: versus good. You get it anyway, guys in the UM 448 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: in an environment that is different than the comma, and 449 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: it's one thing to run around UM and take part 450 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: into the Olympics. It's another thing to play real football. 451 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: And even though they've kind of scaled back some of 452 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: the physicality UM that took place in the practices, it's 453 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: still good to see guys and not on seven drills, 454 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: to see him in eleven on eleven team drills, uh, 455 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: to see how they're able to kind of impose their will, 456 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: particularly down in the trenches. Yeah, that stuff matters because 457 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: I still have the vision in the memory of Aaron 458 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: Donald absolutely dominating everybody for a week. And so when 459 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: you have you talked about the players that we've seen 460 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: on and on and on. To me, the great players 461 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: that show up in the Senior Bowl continue to show 462 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: up and show out when they get an opportunity get 463 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: into the pros. Here's one for you. Remember the week 464 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: that Hassan Reddick had down there from Temple and he 465 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: was moving around and he was phenomenal moving ten and 466 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: a half sacks right now ten and a half sacks 467 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: for Carolina with his old coach Matt Rule. Yeah, he 468 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: does tend to have sex. And part of the reason 469 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: is because his old coach knows exactly how to use him, 470 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: and man, he is crushing it. But another one, DJ, 471 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: you talked about those guys that kind of dominate those games, 472 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: they do it and even the quarterbacks like, look, there 473 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: was a conversation last year with Mac Jones, is he 474 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: isn't he? But we saw him in practice in the 475 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: ball rarely hit the ground and he's like, yeah, but 476 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a controlled environment. Can the Panthers really think about 477 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: taking him at number eight? Because remember at that time, 478 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: that wasn't a conversation about Mac Jones being a guy 479 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: that was like at the top of the charts in there, 480 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: but strong Senior Bowl week, strong week of preparation, the 481 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: way people got to know him. It certainly impacted the 482 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: way that people thought about him. And look, man, he's 483 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: proven to be. Um. Shoot, maybe right now playing the 484 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: best of any Rickey quarterback in the class. Yeah, maybe 485 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: Carolina would like to do over. I remember remember their 486 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: owner was down there, Tapper was down there, and the 487 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: buzz was he's down there because of Mac Jones and 488 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: they were getting serious about mac Jones and he wanted 489 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: to be around him a little bit. So, Um, it's 490 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: rarely you see the owner come down there to the 491 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and that impartment. I remember thinking at the time, 492 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, being fully honest, like that's crazy. 493 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: They can't take mac Jones with that. We were saying, 494 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: that's whatever. But he wasn't on the radar as a legitimate, 495 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: cemented first round pick at that point, you know. And 496 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: so when we heard the conversation coming out at eight 497 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: overall he could be in play, and I think I 498 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: think everybody that I think everybody to cover, say the 499 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: school though that got to really know the kid well, 500 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: um said Okay, this kid's makeup is so off the charts. Yeah, 501 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: and I heard some of that, but we can get 502 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: experienced it ourselves in terms of spending a lot of 503 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: time with him, and maybe that would have helped in 504 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: the evaluation process. And I think I think I had 505 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: him as like my thirty first player or something like that. 506 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously has been much better than that one 507 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: what we've seen thus far. And people can debate and 508 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: and you know, now kind of now you can't talk 509 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: about that, but the results of the results they're playing. 510 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: He's winning, playing winning football and playing really well. Yeah, 511 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: and and and to that point, I think that is 512 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: the thing, and I think, uh, for everybody when it 513 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: comes to like what we thought about players when they 514 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: were coming up, Like it's one thing to evaluate them 515 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: in a bit of a vacuum because you don't know 516 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: where they're going and how they're going to be utilized 517 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: or the plans behind the pick. Well, then that we've 518 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: seen him in the environment, like, yeah, you give him 519 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: all his flowers for how he's performed in that offense 520 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: with the New England Patriots. He's been exactly what they wanted. 521 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: And the more that you get around people that know 522 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: him if but I know the way that they go 523 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: about doing business in New England. The more you understand 524 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: why the fit was perfect and why he's thriving and 525 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: flourishing in this absolutely. Um well, this has been a 526 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: fun one man. I know again a little quick here, 527 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: but we've got a big weekend of NFL and college football, 528 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: including these championship games. We're gonna have reaction for you 529 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: on next Monday's TV show, so you can check that 530 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: out on NFL Network. 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