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Speaker 1: no special contributors. We're trying to wrap our arms around

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Speaker 1: because I'm you can't rule anything out with John Dorsey

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Speaker 1: And if he sees a player in the first round

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Speaker 1: of the draft. We're we're planning to be here. We

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Speaker 1: indeed here in Barria. Obviously O'Dell Beckham Jr. Coming to

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Speaker 1: fantastic pickups on the free agency side, including Sheldon Richardson

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Speaker 1: aren't at seventeen anymore. But Chris Trapozzo from CBS Sports

433
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Speaker 1: put out a two round mock today and uh, the

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Speaker 1: Browns pick at number forty nine. He's got Justin Lane,

435
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Speaker 1: the defensive back from Michigan State. I find it hard

436
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Speaker 1: to believe he's gonna be there. Still atte but uh,

437
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Speaker 1: I was pretty impressed, and I'd be pretty happy with

438
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Speaker 1: the with that being the Brown's first pick in this

439
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Speaker 1: draft if that comes to fruit. Another Cleveland guy man

440
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: put a param alongside Denzel Award. I'm trying to remember

441
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Speaker 1: where he played his his high school ball at. I

442
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: believe it was Benedicting, Benedicting, So he's a local product.

443
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Speaker 1: I like it. He's got the athleticism that the things

444
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Speaker 1: you like at that position. I think it's it's a

445
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Speaker 1: position you really haven't addressed in free agency yet. I

446
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Speaker 1: mean the day is young. I mean, there could be

447
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Speaker 1: more on the way, but you can you could add

448
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Speaker 1: some depth at a position where you've lost now two guys.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, granted you still have time to resign Eja Gaines,

450
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: he's still in the market, but you're going into this

451
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Speaker 1: into right now thinking EJ. Gaines is out, briand Body

452
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Speaker 1: Calhoun who signed with the Texans, he's out. So you

453
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Speaker 1: need some some more players at that position that you've

454
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Speaker 1: done such a good job of restocking uh and and

455
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Speaker 1: adding up so that corner, it was a position we

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Speaker 1: were talking about at seventeen to begin with. How you

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Speaker 1: gotta think one of those two picks, second or third

458
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Speaker 1: could be a corner. Yeah. I don't think you can

459
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Speaker 1: have enough corners, especially the way the league is trending now,

460
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Speaker 1: and with the number of quarterbacks and wide receivers and

461
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Speaker 1: you know, spreads and air raids and shotgun offenses, you

462
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Speaker 1: just can't have enough defensive backs. Yeah. See. And then

463
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Speaker 1: looking at this mock that I'm intrigued by players that

464
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Speaker 1: are projected both before and after the Browns select because

465
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Speaker 1: I think the two players before justin Lane are both

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Speaker 1: pass rushers, and Zach Allen and Christian Miller. Christian Miller

467
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Speaker 1: being from Alabama, Zach Allen from Boston College, I know firsthand.

468
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Speaker 1: I feel like I think I covered Christian Miller's recruitment

469
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Speaker 1: in Alabama. He was a fifth year He's a fifth

470
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Speaker 1: year guy, so I think he's been there a long time,

471
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Speaker 1: had an injury, was red shirted. So he's one of

472
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Speaker 1: those rare five year guys from Alabama. There aren't very

473
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Speaker 1: many of them, uh, and usually the five year guys

474
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Speaker 1: aren't very good, but this guy was a five star

475
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Speaker 1: recruit I remember coming out of South Carolina, just a

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Speaker 1: super athlete that it looks like looks the part a

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Speaker 1: pastors that you're probably gonna have to still work with

478
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Speaker 1: even though they spend a lot of time and in

479
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Speaker 1: Alabama's uh de facto NFL program down there, and then

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Speaker 1: a few picks later in this uh in this mock,

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Speaker 1: I don't like seeing this Steelers number twenty Draymond Jones,

482
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. We we don't like seeing those Ohio State

483
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Speaker 1: guys go to Pittsburgh. It just always seems to bite

484
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Speaker 1: you a little bit. A lot of people like to

485
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Speaker 1: see a lot of people like to see Draymond Jones

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Speaker 1: come to Cleveland. I know he he probably would love

487
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Speaker 1: to come to Cleveland. He's another native of the area.

488
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Speaker 1: Dad's a big Browns fan. And even with the signing

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Speaker 1: of Sheldon Richardson, would be another good player to add

490
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Speaker 1: at that position. I also like Deonte Thompson out of

491
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Speaker 1: Alabama safety. If you need a if you need a safety,

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Speaker 1: another good player, uh that that would help you fill

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Speaker 1: a position and need. So those are some some guys

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Speaker 1: that are in the area of where the Browns are

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Speaker 1: picking at at forty nine and something to definitely keep

496
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Speaker 1: an eye on. Again, there there will be you know,

497
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Speaker 1: we make a lot of the fact that there's only

498
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Speaker 1: a couple of linebackers, and there's a drop off. There's

499
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Speaker 1: only so many guys at this Sian and then there's

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Speaker 1: a drop off. There's still plenty of quality in that second, third,

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Speaker 1: and fourth round. You know, here's the big question. Though

502
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: you were around here for the Bowbell year eight draft.

503
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you treat this second round er? Like?

504
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Speaker 1: Does he get the first round treatment when he comes

505
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Speaker 1: to Cleveland? Does he get to throw out the first

506
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Speaker 1: pitch at the Indians game? Does he get to do all?

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Speaker 1: Does he praded around? I mean, does he get billboards?

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Speaker 1: Like where where? What happens? If you're the I think

509
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Speaker 1: it depends on a position. Yeah, you know, if not

510
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Speaker 1: saying that we need a quarterback or anything like that.

511
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Speaker 1: But if you took a quarterback in the second round, yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: he's throwing out the first pitch the next night at

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Speaker 1: the Indians game. If you're a defensive lineman or a linebacker,

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Speaker 1: safety man, I'm not so sure those glory positions, yes,

515
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Speaker 1: but I don't know about any I don't know about others. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, if you're looking

517
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Speaker 1: for comparisons. Last year, the Texans went into the draft

518
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Speaker 1: without a first or second round pick. Brown's had them both,

519
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Speaker 1: so but they got a good player in the third

520
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Speaker 1: round to start things out. They got Justin Reid out

521
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Speaker 1: of Stanford. I mean, these are some good players you

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Speaker 1: can get even when you don't go into a draft

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Speaker 1: holding that first selection. Yeah, if you have eight picks

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Speaker 1: and you have two or three of them that end

525
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Speaker 1: up starting for you or significant contributors right from the

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Speaker 1: get go in week one, I mean, you've done well

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Speaker 1: for yourself. Now we're almost in the position where if

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Speaker 1: you do get two or three starters out of this

529
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Speaker 1: draft class, to me, that means something went wrong because

530
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Speaker 1: I think like the roster as is right now, especially

531
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Speaker 1: on offense, where where is their room for a guy

532
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Speaker 1: to come in? Maybe on the offensive line. Yeah, And

533
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Speaker 1: even then you've the two theoretically weakest positions you have

534
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, they have multiple veterans at them.

535
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Speaker 1: I mean with Corbett, Skirt, Cush, and then Hubbard, h

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Speaker 1: and Lamb. I mean, and you've got Harrison and Robson

537
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Speaker 1: potentially competing at the left tackle spot. And then obviously

538
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: Treador and Matoni are pretty entrenched with where they're at.

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Speaker 1: The skill positions obviously with O'Dell Callaway, Landry Higgins, hard

540
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Speaker 1: to hard to expect a wide receiver to coming down

541
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Speaker 1: and start tight end Najoku Harris, I mean, quarterback Baker.

542
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you draft a fullback like that's that's

543
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Speaker 1: a position that you have open now. I mean, but otherwise, offense,

544
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: there's not many guys there. Defensive line, you're looking at

545
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Speaker 1: Vernon Richardson Ogan Joebi and Myles Garrett. You bring back

546
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Speaker 1: Kirksey Schobert. You have that one linebacker spot maybe where

547
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Speaker 1: it's Genard Avery or someone else. And then the secondary,

548
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Speaker 1: you've got the safety spot. That's really about it. You've

549
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: got You've got Denzil Award, Terrence Mitchell, Damarius Randall. I mean,

550
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Speaker 1: something's gonna have to go wrong. This is a different

551
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Speaker 1: kind of draft. I mean that's that's that's what this

552
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Speaker 1: is what better teams do year in and year out.

553
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Speaker 1: You're not We've had two many drafts here were used

554
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Speaker 1: to saying you have to get three starters out of

555
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Speaker 1: this group, and you're right, it's really it comes down

556
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Speaker 1: to building depth. I mean, let's be honest, Miles Garrett

557
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt last year. Yeah, after after a rough

558
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Speaker 1: rookie campaign health wise, Agba missed significant time, but was

559
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Speaker 1: healthy last year. And you know, you just you can't

560
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: be one injury away from being totally screwed, right like,

561
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Speaker 1: and that's where we've been for so long. Now, You've

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Speaker 1: just got to You've got to build. You've got to

563
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: be two and three deep, maybe even four deep at

564
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Speaker 1: certain positions. Yeah, and then that's what you just want

565
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Speaker 1: these guys to not be. You want him to look

566
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Speaker 1: like players that when you see him on the field,

567
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Speaker 1: you're like, all right, this guy's gonna make THEFT three.

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Speaker 1: I'm just happy if you really do draft eight players.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy if five make THEFT three. Yeah. Ideally most

570
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Speaker 1: of those guys are practice squad. Yeah, most of them

571
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Speaker 1: are on your practice You guys talked about it on

572
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Speaker 1: CBD Thursday, the story of Demetrius Harris. So, I mean,

573
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Speaker 1: that's like the definition of John Dorsey. They're not just

574
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Speaker 1: the draft guy, but the scout, the recruiter everything. I

575
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: mean that he found, plucked him off a bat a

576
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Speaker 1: college basketball team, and let let him develop behind the scenes.

577
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the Browns did These are maybe some guys

578
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on the Browns did have a

579
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: couple of guys go wire to wire on their practice

580
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: squad last year, and that's one you wonder if it's

581
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Speaker 1: in the back of John Dorsey's head, like this guy

582
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: might be ready. And I think the if you're looking

583
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Speaker 1: at defensive tackle the day equally was on that practice

584
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Speaker 1: squad from start to finish, has been around the building

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Speaker 1: a lot during the off season. Is that someone if

586
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Speaker 1: you're looking for a potential sneaky guy to put on

587
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: your projected fifty three at the moment, he's got a

588
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Speaker 1: track record of liking liking to see these practice squad

589
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: guys develop. It's what when you when you're in a

590
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Speaker 1: situation where you don't have to keep plucking from your

591
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: practice squad all season. That's what you can use your

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Speaker 1: practice squad for. Is almost like a mini little farm

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Speaker 1: system within your own team. Gribbs Episode five is officially

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Speaker 1: in the books. We've only got a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: left in March and then we are in to April

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Speaker 1: and the countdown to the two thousand nine NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get to, a lot to digest, and

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Speaker 1: back to the books for us to try to figure

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Speaker 1: out what what the second round options really do look

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Speaker 1: like a lot of more intense googling than has been

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Speaker 1: done before. You can't just you can't just skim. These

602
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Speaker 1: are some second and third page of Google guys, not

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00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: not the guys that come up right away. So we'll

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Speaker 1: have to do a little bit more research. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll be back and talking about players that most

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Speaker 1: people probably haven't heard of yet. All right, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you listen. We're back with you next week. If you

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Speaker 1: missed any of the previous episodes, we've got some great

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Speaker 1: ones in the can, some great interviews. Make sure you

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