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Speaker 1: Book are you talking about? Oh? No? One? From Ninth

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Speaker 1: Street Women by Mary Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I appreciate the most

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Speaker 1: about you is your desire to expand your mind and

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Speaker 1: your engagement with art. I've learned a lot about art

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Speaker 1: through you, because I don't really like art or care

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Speaker 1: about it. What's this book about. It's about these women

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Speaker 1: in these village. Yeah, it's incredible. It's actually really really,

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Speaker 2: It is the women who basically lived in the East

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Speaker 2: Village who changed ot, Lee Krasna, Landa Kunig, Grace hard Again,

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Speaker 2: John Mitchell, and Helen Frankenthal. I mean, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's actually really good because the thing that I enjoy

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Speaker 2: about it is that you're learning all these great things

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Speaker 2: about these women artists, and you know the men that

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Speaker 2: they were with obviously Polic to Kunig, and and and

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Speaker 2: how especially Lee Krasner, who I got to give a

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Speaker 2: shout out to. Billy jan King owns a Lee Krasner

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Speaker 2: painting in her apartment. And they were I mean, especially Lee.

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Speaker 2: She was such a stalwart in the art world back

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Speaker 2: in the day. And you learn a lot about actual

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Speaker 2: history and how the Nazis, you know, trying to take

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Speaker 2: to control the art in Paris. And it's just it's really,

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Speaker 2: really well written, and I'm very much enjoying it, but

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Speaker 2: it is the size of my head. And I took

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Speaker 2: it to Mexico and I was thinking, yeah, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read my book, and I did. I read it

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Speaker 2: quite a bit, but oh my god, Like, what the

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Speaker 2: fuck are and I buy a kindle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like carrying a brick clearer only by his

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Speaker 1: electronic books. And I think it's stupid and limb until

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Speaker 2: A trip and then you're like, hey, Claire, can I

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Speaker 2: borrow your kindle? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: She's like, fuck ah, Well, you know this is I

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Speaker 2: I agree, but this is the one book that I

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Speaker 2: wish anyway Ninth Street women get it if you if

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Speaker 2: you're into art, or you love history, or you love

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Speaker 2: anything about art history. It's a terrific read, especially for

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Speaker 2: US feminists. Women don't get their due in the art

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Speaker 1: Ye. Anyway, as it turns out, I want to give

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Speaker 1: heard of Lee Krasner, again not being somebody who is

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Speaker 1: particularly into art, it was when we went into Billy

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Speaker 2: You sat, you were like, and the great story behind that,

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Speaker 2: But maybe we'll get that from Billy next time we

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Speaker 2: show too, because it's actually an amazing story of why

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Speaker 2: and how she got the Lee Krasner painting. Let's it's

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Speaker 2: just typical Billy being just an awesome person and then

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Speaker 2: she ended up reaping a lot of benefits for it

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Speaker 1: That's such a fun Billy story. She's sort of like

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Speaker 1: Forrest Gump in that way where she's like, and then

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Speaker 1: the only problem with Billy Jing King is when you

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not quite sure that Billy's going

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Speaker 1: Case against Boris becker On with all of that amazing

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Speaker 3: First of all, I thought that was a real dick move.

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Speaker 1: No, but the Becker documentary had a number. It had

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Speaker 1: so many amazing things in it, which I think speaks

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Speaker 1: I think I think pragmatically it was a product of

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Speaker 3: It was more than two.

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Speaker 1: Listen, nobody wants to see archival beautiful old tennis footage

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Speaker 2: shake hand, knowing that Alona, I hope I get a handshake,

441
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, because that was a bad loss. She should

442
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 2: have won that match, and she puts her arms out

443
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,119
Speaker 2: because she wants a hug from Oms.

444
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,639
Speaker 1: That's not the version of events that I saw, but

445
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: I love your interpreting.

446
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: What did you see?

447
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: I saw Ons insisting on hugging and just going past

448
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 1: that hand and bringing her in like a bear.

449
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 2: Hud.

450
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 3: Nope, look at it again. Os will have to literally

451
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 3: had her hand to shake hand.

452
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 1: You're saying it was Alona ust Picker's idea.

453
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 2: To one thousand percent. She puts her arms out together

454
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 2: and kind of looks at Ons like, oh, I'm not

455
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 2: gonna get a hug, and On is like, oh, it's

456
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable, and then Ons goes in and hugs her,

457
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 2: and then it's very nice.

458
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 3: But there is no doubt.

459
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: Watch it in slow mo one hundred times, and I've

460
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: actually watched it so many times to make sure that

461
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 2: I was right.

462
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was a power movie.

463
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 3: Going in with a.

464
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 2: Nice handshake and probably the tap on the shoulder and

465
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 2: a lot and guys in there with the two arms

466
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 2: out like, oh, now you're not going to hug.

467
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to do.

468
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 2: So. So that just proves to me that Ons is

469
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,360
Speaker 2: literally the nicest person on tour. But man three love

470
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: in the first set against I was so looking forward

471
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: to this match against Eager.

472
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, A repeat of the US Open final,

473
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: a very very anticipated on clay where they both love

474
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: to bring their best tennis yep.

475
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 2: I think Ons is for sure a better all court

476
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: player than Eager at this point, as far as we

477
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 2: know that Eager is still going to struggle a little

478
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: bit on grass and on a really super fast court,

479
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 2: although she won.

480
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 3: The US Open last year.

481
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: But I was so looking forward to it because there

482
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 2: was going to be another litmus test for both of

483
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: them in a lot of ways. Right, Where was O's

484
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 2: really at playing the best clay cutter in the world.

485
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: Where is Eager against a player that can play on

486
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 2: all surfaces, particularly a faster indoor court with her variety

487
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: bringing on into the court into the net made where

488
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: she's not overly comfortable. I was pumped about it and

489
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: then bang that happens and it is no joke and

490
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: injury you cannot play half tear doesn't feel no, and

491
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 2: it's a tear, it's not a it's not a strain. Yeah,

492
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: I was hoping for but it came back with a

493
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: little bit of a tear.

494
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: So that's a disaster.

495
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 2: And I actually texted on and I said, mate, listen,

496
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: just one thing that you cannot come back too early

497
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: on that has to be healed one hundred percent, yause,

498
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: calf muscles.

499
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 3: Are a bitch and if they come back they can

500
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: be really really bad.

501
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: That's a bummer because obviously she was defending the title

502
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: at Madrid, and for me, her chances at Roland Goros

503
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: were good, were good, very good, really good. She was

504
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: playing in deform as you said, and really, you know,

505
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: looking dangerous after that Charleston run. So yeah, I'm pretty bummed,

506
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: very bummed that we didn't get I hope do you

507
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: think friendship And.

508
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: I honestly likely right, Listen, I'm no doctor and I

509
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: didn't stay on holiday doctor. But I will go on

510
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: a limb and say I will be shocked if we

511
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: see her in rolling garrish because only because it is

512
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: such a I mean now, normally a tear is at

513
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: least two weeks of no activity.

514
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: I tore my quad.

515
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: I had a Grade one tear, and I don't know

516
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: what her grade is, but I think it might be

517
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: sort of something like a grade one. I had to

518
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 2: do two weeks of absolutely nothing on my quad, and

519
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: it's the same with the cuff.

520
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: For me.

521
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: You've got to be really careful. So I'd say she's

522
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: doing nothing for two weeks, then she has to do

523
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: at least a week or two of getting back slowly.

524
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: I know Simona Halletp for example, she did her culf

525
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: muscle as well, and it was a nightmare for them

526
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: for a long time. And then you've got to build

527
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: it up slowly, and then you've got to get strong again,

528
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: and then you've got to get back into moving at

529
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. That's gonna be weeks and that's not weeks.

530
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: And Caitline, you have to remember she's got finals of Wimbledon.

531
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: I think she want to lead up tournament going to

532
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: wimbled last year if not, she did very well and

533
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: then finals the US Open. All her points points already

534
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 2: coming off one thousand in Madrid, but the rest of

535
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: her majority of massive points are coming off Wimbledon US Open,

536
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: So she's got to be very smart about how she

537
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: goes forward in knowing that Wimbledon might be the more

538
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: important tournament for her at this stage, because she didn't

539
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: do that great at the French Open last year.

540
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: Oh I think she lost first round.

541
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: Remember she came in out Madrid and it was like

542
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: She's gonna win the tournament and blah blah blah, bah

543
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: an eager and then book she lost first round. So

544
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: that is a massive help for her in some ways.

545
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: But at the same time she could have made up

546
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: a lot of points there as well. So I'm she's obviously,

547
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: as I said, one of the great people on the

548
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: tour assets I mean, and she's just fun. She's such

549
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: an asset. She so fun, She sells tickets, she brings

550
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: the people together. She's on the prison my mother in

551
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: law cares about. You know, this leader is in watch tennis. Yep,

552
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: she wants to watch the Tunisian Minister of happiness though,

553
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

554
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: She brings the people together. But having said that, we

555
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: had a final, a final it was not as close

556
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: as the score would indic keep. No, Saballenka was not

557
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: really in that final No, And.

558
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: Even in the second set, like there was opportunities for

559
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: Eager to go up another break and then it was

560
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: nice to see Saballenca fight, you know in those service games.

561
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: But and then ons I have to say Eager had

562
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: to sorry. Eager had a couple of break points against her,

563
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: like Sabolenka had an opportunity maybe early in the second

564
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: enough she lost that early break in the second set

565
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: to get back on score on I think it was

566
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Love thirty at one. Love could have won that game,

567
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: maybe righted the ship a little bit. But this was

568
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: more litmus test for me for Eager in a lot

569
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: of ways, because you know, indoors is a whole different story,

570
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: right Even on clay, Sablenka is a better indoor player.

571
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, she doesn't have the the

572
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: wind or the sun or she can just bang down

573
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: a big serve, bang down a couple of big groundies.

574
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: And you know, Eager's so good on clay because she

575
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: can defend so as well.

576
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: And on that court insteodguard, it's quite slippery, it's faster

577
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: than a normal clay.

578
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of terrible injuries traditionally intrude core right.

579
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: That doesn't necessarily help a really great mover, for example,

580
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: because you know, even for them, it's tough to defend

581
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: on a court that's quite slippery. So I just thought, Okay,

582
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: this is a time for Sabolenka to actually beat Eager

583
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: on clay, and so for me, for Eager to win

584
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: in straight sets, that's a great sign for her and

585
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: a terrible terrible one for everybody on tour because I

586
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: don't see her losing outdoors on clay. Madrid's never been

587
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: a good hunting ground for her. She's to the final

588
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: because the altitude really helps a big server and a

589
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: big hitter, although he one Madrid a couple of years ago.

590
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: So for me, that was a big win for Eager

591
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: because I think if she had lost to sable Anka

592
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: on clay, and if it was indoors, I think she

593
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: would have been like, man, this is not going so great.

594
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to say something a little bit controversial, which

595
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: is somebody was making the comparison on Twitter. I think

596
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: it was Miles David. Is you guess Fiantech this generation

597
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: is Justine Hannah and Justin Hannah was my favorite player

598
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: of all time. And I would say the difference is

599
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: that Hannah was fun to watch, and I don't think

600
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: he has had fun to watch. She's okay, it's okay, okay.

601
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 3: So I'll disagree with you on that.

602
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons why you loved

603
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: Justine is because she had the one handed back end

604
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: and there was that whole like sort of you know,

605
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: it's funny, is that everybody loved her one handed back end.

606
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: I never really loved it. I mean, it was great

607
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: because I was a one hander and I loved that

608
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: we had this beautiful like player ripping out one handers

609
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: and slices. But I thought her backhand was very It

610
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: was like a caniption fit, you know, you know, in

611
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: her head would it's comparative to Meliam a Resmo's backhand

612
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 2: and uh Suarez Navarro's backhand. Beautiful backhands like Favrinka's backhand.

613
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: It's just that flowing, gorgeous like movement like Federer, whereas

614
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: Justine's was violent. It was a violent one.

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: Hand, you know what I mean, Like, seriously, take a

616
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: look at it. It was a pretty one.

617
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: It was very effective, though. I think you liked it

618
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: because she was kind of an aw court player, like

619
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: to come into the net, whereas Ega is a little

620
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: bit more of your traditional baseliner. But I don't know.

621
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I've been on the practice court with her so many times,

622
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: so I can admire her ball striking and her intensitye's

623
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: to admire. She's the closest person I've seen to someone

624
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 2: like Steffie on the court where everything is fast. Her

625
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: warm up is fast, her like little foot action before

626
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: she goes to shake hand, like you know, toss the

627
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: coin and running back, and she's just like, you know,

628
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: like a little crazy person.

629
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: That's how Steffi was.

630
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: You know, just everything was fast. Everything warm up was fast,

631
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: the feet were fast. So I disagree with you in

632
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: a little way because I kind of like to watch

633
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: her play because I'm like, what the hell is she

634
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: going to hit here? Yeah? And her sliding and her.

635
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: No it's it's very competent and it's obviously very very

636
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: very effective.

637
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: What she was thinking when she ran into the noil

638
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: on that one bowl though, and then Sabilenka.

639
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Tried to take her that's something else where you're kind

640
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: of like there's a little bit of sportsmanship with her

641
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: with the frog where she was sort of waving the

642
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: hands while somebody was hitting a put away volley, and.

643
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: Then this one place is her mind for a second, I.

644
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: Think it's juniors. I think that's a junior's move if

645
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: you go in and your opponent has a sitter and

646
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: you're going to try to distract them. And the thing

647
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: with Sablenka is you have to be fucking crazy to

648
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: run towards her teeing up on a ball, and people

649
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: were noting on the internet that she very very very

650
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: nearly got hit and if she had, it would have

651
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: one thousand percent been her fault. Sebling is not looking

652
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: to peg her, just as a The one thing I

653
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: will add is just as a veteran of junior tennis

654
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: and college tennis, there's some elements to game that are

655
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: like that, and it works, but it's not. It doesn't.

656
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't serve to endear you to people like is

657
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: he gon a locker room favorite?

658
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Does she do people like so shy? I obviously know

659
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: her very well. We've had a lot of nice conversations

660
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: and I like her a lot. She's a really, really,

661
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: really nice kid. Very very shy, very shy. Doesn't speak

662
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: to a lot of people only because she thinks that

663
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: they don't want to talk to her. It's not nothing

664
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: to do with her being a bitch at all.

665
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: But that move, I was like, what was that?

666
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: But what was interesting to me is that Mark Petchy

667
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: who was doing that, he was doing the commontye tree

668
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: by himself.

669
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: On that match, a woman's final, even that was a final.

670
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: Don't get me started. Was really kind of pissed off

671
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: at Sables, like I can't believe you know what, what

672
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: are you talking about?

673
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: Like, if anything, you should have been like, what the

674
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: hell was that was?

675
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: It was eager thinking running into the net like that,

676
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: And frankly, I think it was a good.

677
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Move for Sabalanca to be like what are you doing?

678
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, listen, I'm I was a good sport on court,

679
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: but if you'd ran at me like that, I'd take

680
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: your head off as well. For sure, you're trying to distract.

681
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: Me, that's what you're trying.

682
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: Take your head off. So I thought that was a

683
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: very interesting take from Petchy.

684
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Conversation I'll have with him when I'd bump into him,

685
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, didn't you think that there was more

686
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Eager being just a ding dong.

687
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a ding dong move for sure, for sure, and.

688
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh, I'm like, why would you run

689
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: into the net?

690
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, that's the dumbest thing I haven't given death.

691
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing when it's curios trying to

692
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: be a ding dong like and running in, you know,

693
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: trying to put his racket up against his face, right

694
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: like we've all seen players do that. It's kind of

695
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a joke. But Eager is not a joker. No,

696
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: So that was Yeah, that was and I love you Eager,

697
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: but that was.

698
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah, there's a bit of a cringe

699
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: thing with her.

700
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: I did like the driver the car driving.

701
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the it's like a.

702
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: Maniac men, what about it?

703
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Vander Schlip Vendors, Sender, Sloop, vander Denslop. The match points

704
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: in that trainer really really big time choking. Yeah, honestly,

705
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Rune is great and he's clearly clearly down

706
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: and out in the third deserves he's like to be

707
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the game, which is where he

708
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: finds himself.

709
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: But but why is Rene looking like he's been shot

710
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: in every single match that he plays these days, like

711
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: he's got a cramp or he's got something wrong with this,

712
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: and he's calling the trainer out here, and he's calling

713
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: the trainer out there, and it's just like, oh my god,

714
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: you're carrying on like the hell, like stop talking garn

715
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: on like a pork chop. But you know your reputation

716
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: now is preceding you, right, And so he's not. He's

717
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: turning into like the new shall.

718
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: We say it, yeah, no vak Jock Novako.

719
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: Where he's like gonna be this kid's gonna be great. Yeah,

720
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great. But he's like not starting out

721
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: on a good footing with the public and with the

722
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: players in this respect, and like, what are you doing?

723
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: I can't.

724
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to say I because the

725
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: other men's final was between two of my favorite players,

726
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: yes Stefanas and Carlos, And I will say I think

727
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: tit Bus gets a lot of shit, yeah for carrying

728
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: on like a pork chap, But not remotely does he

729
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: carry on like a rune.

730
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: No he doesn't, No, no he no sits a pass

731
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: a ship has come from having seen dad, the dad

732
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: who is insane and I'll say it, and I'll say

733
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: it again, And how many times have I said it

734
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: on the podcast?

735
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: Numerous?

736
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: He will never win a Grand Slam with his dad coach, Yeah, sure,

737
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: or in his box. I just sorry, it's just.

738
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: Not gonna happen.

739
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: You could say that to sixty between them is palpable

740
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: and it's obvious to see, and it's holding him back

741
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: because he should have probably at least one Grand Slam

742
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: right now.

743
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, for sure. So anyway, Alcoraz was too good.

744
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: But going back to Rune, back to Rune, yeah, I

745
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: mean he just carries on and Botek has just got

746
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: lose in his mind. But dude, when he had seen

747
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: finally got back to six ' five serving for it

748
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: up forty fifteen, he looked over at his box and

749
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: it was like he'd seen a ghost. And I don't

750
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: know what it is. I don't have a lot of

751
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence, caitline, Is that true? But I do when

752
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: it comes to watching tennis, and I can pinpoint someone

753
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: shitting their pants in a three a second and I could.

754
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: Tell his breathing got short.

755
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked at his box and I was like,

756
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, if he doesn't win this match right here,

757
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: right now, it's over.

758
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: I could tell and.

759
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Runa hits back kind of an okay shot to the

760
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: middle of the court, and I swear to guy looked

761
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: like Boti couldn't move. It was like it was like

762
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: Cement went around his legs and he couldn't even get

763
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: out of the way of the ball and he missed

764
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: the ball by like, no twenty feet and I went,

765
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's over. So Rene can literally hit

766
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: the ball in the court and make this guy have

767
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: to hit a winner. And I'm thinking to myself, this

768
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: guy has to hit a winner because there's no way

769
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: that he's winning this match unless he hits a winner,

770
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: because Renee's not going to miss now because he's just

771
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: looked down the other end. The guy just as in

772
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: his legs, even though apparently Rene was also struggling with

773
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: whatever this one time. I was like, it's over. And

774
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: then gets the tiebreak and he just looks over his

775
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: crew and he just starts shaking his head. I was like,

776
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: this is so done.

777
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: It was brutal to It was brutal to watch. It

778
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: was brutal to watch because you knew what was happening

779
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: and there was nothing anybody could do. Most importantly him.

780
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: He should have served all on both points.

781
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: Just get pane it up and get a knowing that

782
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: you're shitting yourself like that and the point quickly, just

783
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: go for it, go for a big surf, try and

784
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: hope that the guy returns the ball down the middle

785
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: of the court, which often, particularly on the back and side,

786
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: most do because they're trying to get the ball back deep.

787
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Report not necessarily used to.

788
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Serve and volley on the biggest points because she knew

789
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: her opponents were going to hit the ball through the

790
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: and she could just hit that little inside out back

791
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: and volley how many points?

792
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was some serious choking Brune.

793
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: Hey, he is making a mark. I'm a little worried

794
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: about Sinner. He keeps getting these.

795
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: I know this is really I feel like his time

796
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: to shine.

797
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: I think he's played enough tennis that he's going to

798
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: be a real threat. Obviously going forward we'll see how.

799
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a real threat here

800
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: in Madrid because his game suits this surface and the

801
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: altitude a little bit more, because he can smack the

802
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: shit out of the ball. Yeah, and I think he'll

803
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: get rewarded for that a little bit more so, it'll

804
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how he plays here in Madrid.

805
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: We stay here because we're watching it because there's actually tennis.

806
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: It's finally on the TV. Okay, So looking forward, we

807
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: obviously have still a few weeks left to go before

808
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: the next Slam. For me, this is the most exciting

809
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: time of the year. I love Madrid, I love Barcelona,

810
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: I love Rome is going to be coming up. It's

811
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: just it's like an embarrassment of riches. The courts just

812
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: esthetically look so good. We get great points, people like

813
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Alejandro Davits Folkina all of a sudden become like relevant again,

814
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: which I love. You know, I'd love to see him

815
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: do really well a year round, you know what I'm saying.

816
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: Just it's such a special time of the year that

817
00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. Now.

818
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: You love the clay, I do.

819
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: I love the clay.

820
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: I love the clay too. I find it really fun

821
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: to watch matches. I like the grind. Yeah, I would

822
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: like if the Men's French Open was best of three.

823
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: I think we'd probably have a better winner. The last

824
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: thing I'll ask you about, and this concerns both Spaniards,

825
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: both with some interesting injury contexts. Obviously, I think the

826
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: favorite for any really, especially given his history. You know,

827
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Novak Joke, which typically does not play very well at

828
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: the beginning of the clay season, and then all of

829
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: a sudden becomes like a very big threat at Rolandgaros

830
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: because he's obviously optimizing and places like Monte Carlo and

831
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: Barcelona and Madrid are.

832
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Not exactly to his liking.

833
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: I would say Rafa Nadal obviously has our sort of favorite,

834
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: and then there's Carlitos, which is looking good. Carlitos is

835
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: looking great. I hope he stays injury free, and Rafa's

836
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: maybe not gonna play.

837
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you think this is? Yeah,

838
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

839
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean Rafa's injury is ongoing. Obviously, he's not wear

840
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: it back or where he wants to be and needs

841
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: to be, and it's a pretty bad injury that he had.

842
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: Talk about tears, Yeah, as I'm saying about, you know,

843
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: someone like Ohn's, you can't just a tear doesn't just

844
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: repair itself in a week, you know what I mean.

845
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: It takes time to get the fibers back together, to

846
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: make the muscles strong, and then you've got to work

847
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: around all the muscles around it that have been basically

848
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: atrophying around that injury. So for Rafa it's a concern

849
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: in a huge way.

850
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

851
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, if he doesn't play Rome, that's a

852
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: huge tell. And he knows he has to go best

853
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: of five at the French Open against these great players.

854
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: And look, you know he went through his struggles last

855
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: year to win his fourteenth French Open. I'm really saying

856
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: to say, but yeah, it's a very big concern. I

857
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: think al Karez hopefully fingers crossed to touch wood that

858
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: he's back at one hundred percent and we'll see how

859
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: he does hear in Madrid as well physically, And yeah,

860
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a bit of a it's

861
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: a bit of a mind scratcher when it comes to

862
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: rougha and.

863
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a bummer.

864
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: Whereas Novak, as you said, he will find his form.

865
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: He'll be there, don't worry, Grand Slam soon find his best,

866
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: So be there. He knows that these guys have to

867
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: beat him in five sets, best of five sets.

868
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: And he knows that they know. Yeah, that's the thing

869
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: about him. He gets more powerful the further behind in

870
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: a match.

871
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what he said.

872
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: It's most dangerous. Yeah, you know, I mean ask Stephanis

873
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: to get about all about that.

874
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly Lajovich. Yeah one in Sia beating shout

875
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: out to him taking the title.

876
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Cool way to go. Bro never had a victory against Novak,

877
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: and then at his home event.

878
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: I know, had no support against Novak, was rooting for Novak.

879
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to win the tournament, great players,

880
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: including Rublev in the final, who was you know, obviously

881
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: on fire. So that was an awesome effort. I love

882
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: to see that. And you know, at a two fifty,

883
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: it's a small tournament, but still that's huge for him

884
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: for sure.

885
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of two fifties, Okay, this is the last note

886
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: that I think we should go out on, because we

887
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: can't leave without a little bit more complaining, which I

888
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: know what you're going to say, and I agree with

889
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: you already.

890
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: What about the WTA apparently taking no top thirty players

891
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: allowed to play in two fifties?

892
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Explain what that means for our audience and in a

893
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: more granularther way for people who don't maybe follow the

894
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: tour as closely as possible.

895
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: So the WTA have rules when it comes to certain

896
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: tournaments and how big they are. Two fifty is the

897
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: smallest WTA sanctioned event. We have one twenty fives, but

898
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: they're in the challenger level. Two fifty, five hundred and

899
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: one thousands. Those are the three categories on the WTA Tour.

900
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: And then obviously they're slams which is not mendated by it,

901
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: which are not put on by the tour.

902
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: Just to imagine, the ATP and WTA one thousands events

903
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: are the biggest ones. They get a thousand points to

904
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: win the tournament. That's this easier way to put it.

905
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: They went too fifty to win a two fifty, they

906
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: win five hundred points to win a five hundred, and

907
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: at a Grand Slam it's three thousand, so it's three

908
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: times the amount of a MASSES or w TA one thousand,

909
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: which is why it's so important to win those big

910
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: tournaments because that's where the points really lie and obviously

911
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: their prize money. So the WTA taking in upon themselves

912
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: apparently in the future that they're not going to allow

913
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: top thirty players to play in the two fifty events. Now,

914
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons is they want to

915
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: make sure, for example, if there's a five hundred and

916
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: a two fifty on at the same time or overlapping

917
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: or whatever, they want the players to be more condensed,

918
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: the top players into the five hundreds, which I get

919
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: in some way that you want to support the tournaments

920
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: that are putting up more money and more risk and.

921
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

922
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: But to say to a player, look, you can't play

923
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: the two fifty, particularly if it's in your own city,

924
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: for example Tunisia, you know, and you're telling Ozrewber she

925
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: can't play there, and.

926
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: She's going to have to go play a two thousand

927
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: in China instead of her home event that was exists

928
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: because of her, yeah.

929
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: And brings tennis to her part of the world. Or

930
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: if you're a check player, you want to play a

931
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: two fifty at your tournament in Prague and how many

932
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: top thirty check players do we have?

933
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, many twenty.

934
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: They're not going to be allowed to play that tournament now.

935
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: Instead they're going to have to go and play a

936
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: five hundred somewhere else.

937
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: But the thing that I'm why did they make this rule?

938
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: I don't know Caitlin, I really don't know. I think it's,

939
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: as I said, maybe to support the tournaments that they

940
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: are putting on, bigger tournaments, more money.

941
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: To say, hey, to make sure they get the star

942
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: to make sure they get the.

943
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: Stars and not the smaller tournaments. I'm assuming that's one

944
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: of the reasons. But keep in mind there was also

945
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: a rule that you can only have x amount of

946
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: top thirty players aut A two fifty, so you can't

947
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: have ten, you can only have like, say two. I

948
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: don't know what the exact roess is. So stupid maigured

949
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: that out. This is so stupid, decided to talk about this.

950
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: No. But the reason I think they're doing it, I

951
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: think is probably what you said, which is to preserve

952
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: the value of those big tournaments so that they guarantee

953
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: that all the stars come and they're not just vulturing

954
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: points by going and playing down essentially in a smaller

955
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: event when they should be at the agreement. But also

956
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I think the real issue is there's not enough tournaments.

957
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: There's both. There's both too many tournaments in my macro

958
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: re envisioning of tennis, but there's not enough tournaments. So somehow,

959
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: when we had the first week of clay season, we

960
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: had one tournament for women YEP and three tournaments for

961
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: men YEP. That is not the only week or two

962
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: week period on the calendar where that happens. It's a stark,

963
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: stark amount of inequality.

964
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had conversations with tournament directors at

965
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: certain tournaments that we're putting on A two fifty for example,

966
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: and I remember he said to me, yeah, but I'm

967
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: not gonna They're not gonna allow me to have a

968
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: top thirty player play in this tournament now, which is

969
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: crazy because and he in this person one put on

970
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: a bigger tournament, but he wasn't allowed to put on

971
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: a bigger tournament because there was a tournament that was

972
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger than his at another place. And

973
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you trying to grow the sport?

974
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: Are you trying to like stifle it? Because at this point,

975
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: for example, I'm just gonna give you an example. Right

976
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: this week alone, the twenty fourth of April, correct, is

977
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: that the date today? Yes, in on the ATP Challenger

978
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: and WTA one twenty five, so they're the same. This week,

979
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: there is an ATP tournament in Seoul. There is an

980
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: ATP tournament in Ostrava in the Czech Republic. There is

981
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: a ATP challenger in Rome, there is an ATP challenger

982
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: in Savannah, Georgia, and there is an ATP challenger in

983
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: Buenos Aires.

984
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: Do you know what there is on the WTA Tour

985
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: nondka nothing data.

986
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, brutal, brutal.

987
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Zero zee okay, not one.

988
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: So the men have five challenges, the women have zero.

989
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: So if you were like, hey, I'm Rene Stubbs, I

990
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: am going to put on a women's two fifty this

991
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: week in the East Village just for fun, you couldn't.

992
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you, and you shouldn't. You couldn't get

993
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: any as you can call up your friends and say, hey,

994
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: come play my fun tournament. It's gonna be fun.

995
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: It's in New York this and it's the same next week, Caitlin.

996
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: It happens.

997
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: It happens on every level of the tour.

998
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: For the men, Houston, Marrakesh.

999
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: That'd be nice.

1000
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to be America.

1001
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Monte Carlo, Yeah, this is this was last week.

1002
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: This was the week we were talking about.

1003
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Yet last week it was Houston, Marrakesh, Esterole, Monte Calo,

1004
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: was the one thousand. Barcelona was the next week, so

1005
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: there was three four and there was zero one of

1006
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: the women's.

1007
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: So whenever we make a complaint, I like to think

1008
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: that we are able to offer a solution. And for me,

1009
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that we can fix the challenger circuit,

1010
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: which is the level before sort of the pros But

1011
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I think one thing is becoming increasingly clear to me

1012
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: that we have to have a outside body, not one

1013
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: of the seven governing bodies, but an outside body reassess

1014
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: what the tour is. Is it ten really great events

1015
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: in really great cities with really great support advertisers, TV

1016
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: deals guarantees to see the biggest number of entrants, with

1017
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: organization where everybody knows what the experience is going to

1018
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: be like. That is what I would love to see

1019
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: us do. I'd like to see it be like Formula one.

1020
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: There's not a race for eleven months of the year.

1021
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: There's only a race during the season, but each one

1022
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: is incredible.

1023
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Everybody does.

1024
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Each one in each of the cities in which there's

1025
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: a race is an incredible event. I know there's a

1026
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: lot of losers in that equation, but for me, having

1027
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: fewer more important tournaments, taking some of the points away

1028
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: from the slams, making those not the only emphasis of

1029
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: the tournaments, which I think is to everybody's detriment, honestly,

1030
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: and making there a little bit more parody so that

1031
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: it's a actual tour where everyone's not just scattered to

1032
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: the wind, scrambling and striving and flying every which way

1033
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: logistically and probably extending their seasons too long, getting hurt,

1034
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, flying across time zones that don't make any sense.

1035
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: Like I would like for somebody to just sit down

1036
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, you know what, we're going to

1037
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: shorten the season, but actually beef up what exists and

1038
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: make it logical. That doesn't address a lot of all

1039
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: of this, but to me, that's the obvious solution that

1040
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: tennis has to go towards.

1041
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not throwing anything out like

1042
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: solution wise, I'm just here to I'm just I play

1043
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: the angry lady and you play the solutions lady.

1044
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: What is going to do when she comes and gets

1045
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: on this podcast? You're gonna have solutions?

1046
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: What do I do in this situation?

1047
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: No?

1048
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: But seriously, like my frustration is, Okay, if you're gonna

1049
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: if you're going to do things like this, like again transparency. Why.

1050
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get an answer why.

1051
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: That's a good point, announced I guess, but I want

1052
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: to know why.

1053
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: And I also want answers to those questions that I'm

1054
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: asking again. Are people wanting to put on two fifties?

1055
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 2: Are people wanting to put on one twenty five's around

1056
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: the country? And are they stopped because of it? Are

1057
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: we not? Why are we not finding the sponsors? I

1058
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: don't know anyway, That's an ongoing story that is going

1059
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: to continue. But I think I did send you a

1060
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, screenshot of the week.

1061
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: No, it's nuts, And I was just like, this is

1062
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: why women don't get an equal pay, because there's not

1063
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: enough tournaments, and the tournaments that do exist on it

1064
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: always pedim equally, and because we're clinging to old formats.

1065
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: So blow it all up, I say, blow it all up,

1066
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: Blow it all up? Can we end on that note?

1067
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 2: We can end on that note? You're so angry still.

1068
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: I've come back from Carbo.

1069
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: I'm relaxed.

1070
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: I had a great time in Mexico. I'm all good,

1071
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: although my flight back was a nightmare.

1072
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: Sure, and it just really we cannot. You cannot be

1073
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: one of those people who complains about You can complain

1074
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: about flights on Twitter, can complain about it on this podcast.

1075
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: It was it was for my own safety. We had

1076
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: really bad weather here bok on the day that I

1077
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: was coming back. But anyway, yeah, send us your ideas.

1078
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, we will turn this time constructive criticism.

1079
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean even if they blast Caitlin and love

1080
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: on me, I'm good with.

1081
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: She loves it. Only send them if you are going

1082
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: to compliment Renee.

1083
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: I think it's my accent, probably department.

1084
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you for listening.

1085
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks guys for listening. And we're going to keep

1086
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: an eye on everything Madrid for you, and we're going

1087
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: to get you ramped up for Rome and because Rome,

1088
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: to me is the real indicator of who's going to

1089
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: play well at the French.

1090
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: It's also cool and it's.

1091
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Speaker 2: Cool and maybe should we pop over for the weekend.

1092
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't been a Roman a long time.

1093
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: We have a friend.

1094
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: I have a friend esther perdigis who her friend, the

1095
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: sculptor who's won the rom Prize. She's currently there with

1096
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: her family. She keeps saying, come with it.

1097
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: Does she have a big house.

1098
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: She's staying in a subsidized art housing.

1099
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well we'll go yeah.

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00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: Oh housing.

1101
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: We hear housing and it doesn't sound confidence inspiring. I

1102
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's like a five star hotel, but I

1103
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: think they have I.

1104
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: Think I look up at my own Airbnb.

1105
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: Anyway, everyone, thanks for joining us today. Stay tuned. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back next week to wrap up everything from Madrid, etcetera.

1107
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: Complain about some more drama and you know it's not

1108
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Craig complaints like Craig Shapiro, but it's what is all right. Guys,

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Speaker 2: We love you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today. Babe, Babe,