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Speaker 1: Here we go our two on a free day. Good

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Speaker 1: week so far, Bingle was shocked all of us. Old

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Speaker 1: creaky Joe Flacco outplayed Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron played well.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers continue to roll. Their bullpen has apparently been solved,

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Speaker 1: so they did a three to zero lead on the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers. Jamick, you and I both had very good

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Speaker 1: weeks last week on our picks. I was four and one.

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Speaker 1: I think you were like, we're.

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Speaker 3: In two two. But I had Bengals last night. Remember

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Speaker 3: five and a half told you guys we've.

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Speaker 1: Had underdogs, you know, last year it was a favorite year.

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Speaker 1: This year it's more underdog. Off a four and one week,

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Speaker 1: I am ready to go on our blazing five.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins Blazon five

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Speaker 2: Dolphins at Browns High like Cleveland at home minus two

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Speaker 1: There's an argument when Cleveland's at home. They have the

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Speaker 1: best defense in the NFL. PFF has it as the

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Speaker 1: highest graded defense. You cannot run on this team, and

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Speaker 1: the wins are going to be over forty miles an hour.

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Speaker 1: The guts are and it's going to be rainy. Dylan Gabriel,

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Speaker 1: He'll be fine. They're not gonna ask much. The Dolphins

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Speaker 1: only win this year came up by win over the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Barely.

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Speaker 1: They have been out gained in five or six games.

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Speaker 1: They have culture issues, the quarterback calling out the coach,

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Speaker 1: and they give up the second most yards per play

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Speaker 1: home against the Dolphins defense that is atrocious. And generally

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Speaker 1: if your defense is bad, it's worse on the road.

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Speaker 1: I think it's mostly low scoring, sloppy. I trust Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: points twenty four to seventeen. Browns win and.

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Speaker 2: Cover giants, said Broncos.

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Speaker 1: I like Denver to win and win big. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart yards for play is behind Russell Wilson this year,

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Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson got bench. This defense is the best

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Speaker 1: in the league, best third down defense, best red zone defense,

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL in sacks. Okay, they're two to zero

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Speaker 1: at home, both Comfortably and Jackson Dart. Let's not kid ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had fewer giveaways and average more yards per play.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart's the better story. He's got good energy. But

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Speaker 1: against this defense in Denver, forget about it. The Broncos

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Speaker 1: defense at home this year is unbelievable, relentless pressure and again,

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants are a fun story, but they're

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Speaker 1: owing three on the road this season. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: Denver to win twenty eight to twenty. Cover the spread.

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Speaker 1: Don't think it'll feel this.

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Speaker 2: Close, Commander said, Cowboys take.

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Speaker 1: The over fifty four and a half. I don't care

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Speaker 1: If Terry McLaurin plays opposing quarterbacks against the Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: Commanders are completing sixty eight percent of their throws and

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Speaker 1: a passer rating almost one to ten. Both quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: gonna eat. The Commanders have scored twenty four points plus

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Speaker 1: worse with injuries and their secondary the mess Ceedee Lamb's

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Speaker 1: the most big plays in the NFL. With or without

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, I think you're gonna get wild scoring. The

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Speaker 1: Washington's has progressively gotten worse over the last three weeks.

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Speaker 1: I don't need Terry McLaurin. That's not the issue. Remember

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Speaker 1: scored points. I'm taking the over. Commanders win. That's not

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Speaker 1: Bay wins. I'm taking the seven. It's moved up to seven. Arizona.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if Jacoby Brissett or Kyler Murray played.

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Speaker 1: Bay has yet to win a road game. They're very young,

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Speaker 1: Bay to win close. Seven points is too many. Twenty

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Speaker 1: home keeps it close. Buccaneers Aid Lions one of my

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Speaker 1: win and cover. First of all, the Lions are not

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Speaker 1: of years, they average thirty seven points a game at home.

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Speaker 1: They're a different offense, very good. Jared Goff leads the

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Speaker 1: the league in Baker Mayfield has a lot of, as

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Speaker 1: worthy plays. So the Bucks have trailed in four their

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Speaker 1: So a team that is really stacked on offense comes

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Speaker 1: finally their separation. I don't think it's a great Sunday

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Speaker 1: for Baker in the law. Bucks Lions win it. Lions

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Speaker 1: cover twenty eight to twenty one. A game I strongly

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Speaker 1: considered was the Colts beating take the points with the

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Speaker 1: not betting against Harball if he's got his starting left

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Speaker 1: tackle and his best pass rusher. So again, I'll take

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Speaker 1: the Browns in an ugly game with horrendous weather against

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Broncos comfortably the over in the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals cover, and I think the Lions. I think the

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Speaker 1: Bucks have been a really fun team to watch, but

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Speaker 4: Like three of those a lot. Browns are my biggest

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Speaker 4: bet of the weekend. But what could possibly go wrong?

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Speaker 4: Colin rookie quarterback and forty mile an hour wins, so.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with the Browns.

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Speaker 4: I don't get the Cardinals love, but you know that's

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Speaker 4: your guy, Kyler Murray. Maybe you got inside info.

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Speaker 1: Big college game this weekend is USC Notre Dame. I

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Speaker 1: talked about this. I talked about this game yesterday and

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Speaker 1: I said very clearly, going forward, it's not about this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is going to win and probably win comfortably.

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Speaker 1: It's not about this weekend. It's about the relationship between

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Speaker 1: the two. It's gotten uneven. USC now plays in arguably

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Speaker 1: winning at Illinois. Forget Columbus and ann Arbor, they didn't

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Speaker 1: they didn't win at ann Arbor last year. So my

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Speaker 1: take is, going forward, let's renegotiate. We'll play Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: every other year, and it's got to be early. That's

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Speaker 1: not unreasonable. I'm not saying you have to cancel it,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to renegotiate this deal early. We don't

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Speaker 1: want another cold weather game. We're struggling as it is

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Speaker 1: as a program now Notre Dame. Notre Dame fansers say

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Speaker 1: we don't need this game. Well this year you actually do.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is because you lost in Miami

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Speaker 1: You've got that on the schedule. What if Florida State leaves,

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Speaker 1: and their athletic director need to sit down and renegotiate.

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Speaker 1: Let's play a little less frequently, and we're gonna play early.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna play late. I'm sorry, but that's not unreasonable.

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Speaker 1: Michigan Notre Dame used to play, and now they don't,

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Speaker 1: and the sport has grown, it's all gonna be okay again.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a great matchup for the Trojans.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame has the ability to pick you apart throwing

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Speaker 1: good matchup. I think Notre Dame wins by ten, but

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Speaker 1: you know it'll be fun to watch. But going forward,

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Speaker 1: if I was USC, I would sit down and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's do it every other year. But not every great

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Speaker 1: game has to be played every single year. Going forward,

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Speaker 1: with the playoff just a different sport.

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Speaker 2: He's still moving.

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Speaker 1: Way. He's the last Bears head coach to win a

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Speaker 1: road playoff game and the last Dolphins coach to win

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Speaker 1: a playoff game period thirty nine years coaching. You see

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching a plan. Caleb is playing

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Speaker 1: with instructure more often than last year. What do you

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Speaker 1: see Caleb development year two.

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Speaker 8: Some of the biggest things that you see if you

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Speaker 8: go back and watch the tape close is in the past,

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Speaker 8: be on the move. He did that his whole career

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Speaker 8: at USC, always on the move, trying to find somebody deep.

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Speaker 5: You know the offense.

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Speaker 8: No, it tells me that emotionally they were not all in.

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Speaker 1: What do you do as a head coach if you're

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes, but that's the job of a head coach.

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Speaker 5: I was saying that in August.

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Speaker 8: I mean he's hiring a ehied, a guy elevated, the

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Speaker 8: I I I'm not putting this on the play call.

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Speaker 5: There's not a play that's called.

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Speaker 8: That comes through the head coach. You've got the final say.

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Speaker 1: So I lived in Tampa briefly. You were there in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes for guys like Baker who have big

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Speaker 8: Know what to call it, I agree with you, but

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Speaker 8: I would take it. I would enlarge your thought and say,

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Speaker 8: all of Florida's that way, coach. When I was at

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Speaker 8: they put playoff tickets on sale, and they put a

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Speaker 5: And so I think that Baker is It's.

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Speaker 8: It's all transplants from all over the country. It's Baker

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Speaker 8: Well, keep in mind he at the end of last year,

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Speaker 8: he's got the most Penn State has the most returning

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Speaker 8: first team all Big Ten players, and any team in

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Speaker 8: a Big Ten.

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Speaker 5: So he convinces.

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Speaker 8: All these guys, probably half of them have been would

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Speaker 8: have been drafted. Half of them that come back for

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Speaker 8: another year, and lio that means.

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Speaker 5: Money, right.

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Speaker 8: He convinces the ad we need the defensive coordinator from

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Speaker 8: Ohio State. Ohio State a year ago head the number

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Speaker 8: one defense. He brings in Jim Knowles three million bucks

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Speaker 8: a year, highest paid coordinator. They're doing a big thing

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Speaker 8: at the stadium, enlarging it and redoing the sections of

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Speaker 8: the state. So they're making all these commitments. And I

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Speaker 8: tell you what, And I'm friends with James Franklin, but

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Speaker 8: you know, you can lose games, but you don't lose.

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Speaker 5: That locker room.

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Speaker 8: And I'm watching that Northwestern game and Northwestern's blocking them

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Speaker 8: and Northwesterns playing more physical.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 8: I think the trap was this. James Franklin has always

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Speaker 8: been a guy the next game. We're only talking about

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Speaker 8: this in August, and I was with I played I've

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Speaker 8: coached on too now talking about Oregon in August, signed

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Speaker 8: to you and talking about getting over the top. And

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Speaker 8: this is the year when we won a national championship

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Speaker 8: with Miami and the Super Bowl at Dallas.

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Speaker 5: We didn't mention Jimmy Joe.

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Speaker 8: Nobody mentioned super Bowl or National Championship until the week

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Speaker 8: of the game. And you start talking at in August

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Speaker 8: and then you lose.

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Speaker 1: A tough game and the team went just and that

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Speaker 1: team went backwards.

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Speaker 8: And now in today's world, how many of these guys

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Speaker 8: you think are talking that our agents every night? The

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Speaker 8: NFL drafts coming up in two I mean, it's a mess.

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Speaker 8: It's a darn shame, that really is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's wrap it up with this. There's some Marcus

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Speaker 1: Freeman Penn State rumors. I think Notre Dame is a

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Speaker 1: very good job, and I think they're committed to the NIL.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to get him the here's

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Speaker 1: what's interesting. So Notre Dames in the ACC, which may

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Speaker 1: lose another one of their great programs to the SEC,

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Speaker 1: and the ACC is not a very good conference. That's

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Speaker 1: why Notre Dame signed a deal with Clemson to guarantee

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Speaker 1: that game for five years. Notre Dame needs USC, not

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Speaker 1: just this year because they lost to Miami in Am.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely need going forward. And my take is, well, USC,

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Speaker 1: now there'll be years where they face Oregon, Washington, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: Penn State, Michigan. Now, Indiana's good and if i'm USC,

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Speaker 1: my take is okay, let's sit down and renegotiate. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's unrealistic to say we'll play you every

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Speaker 1: other year, but it's gotta be early. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to do another cold weather game in November. But I

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Speaker 1: got Penn State and Michigan and Notre Dame fans are

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Speaker 1: freaking out in USC. You can still play them. It's

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Speaker 1: not Auburn Alabama where you can throw a rock to

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Speaker 1: the other school or historically in the same conference. It's

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Speaker 1: not no, it's not Ohio State, Michigan. Well, one's an

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Speaker 1: independent halfway and ones out west. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: unrealistic for us. See, we'll play every other year and

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Speaker 1: we'll play early.

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Speaker 5: I coached that you as you know.

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Speaker 8: I coached at USC for three years and we played

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Speaker 8: Notre Dame. If Notre Dame back then was a big rivalry,

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Speaker 8: but it was, it was Notre Dame in UCLA and

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Speaker 8: that was it.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 8: I mean the chips are in USC's hands. I mean

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Speaker 8: the usc Is, I mean Notre Dame can play the

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Speaker 8: Army Navy.

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Speaker 5: They can schedule who they want.

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Speaker 2: USC is not getting.

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Speaker 8: Away from Oregon or Michigan, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 8: or Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Or Penn State. You can see what you want.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Indiana's good.

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Speaker 8: You know you know what this day and exactly right

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Speaker 8: I should have said Indiana first.

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Speaker 5: You know where this game will help them.

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Speaker 1: Jane Myabi their quarterback at USC.

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Speaker 8: He's having a phenomenal year, Okay, phenomenal year. Thirteen passes,

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Speaker 8: two interceptions. If he plays big in this game on

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Speaker 8: against Notre Dame on national TV, he'll be in the

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Speaker 8: Heisman race. This game will give certain players like that

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Speaker 8: a big push from notoriety standpoint and recognition standpoint. But

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Speaker 8: as far as wins and losses and rankings, don't I

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Speaker 8: don't see it.

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Speaker 5: You can get all you want in the Big ten,

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Speaker 5: all you want. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the SEC teams like Bama, so during

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Speaker 1: Bama's run with Saban. Go look at Saban's out of

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Speaker 1: conference schedule. It was the weakest he had to buy

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Speaker 1: before Auburn because Nick knew. Nick wouldn't even go on

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Speaker 1: the road for out of conference games. He'd go to

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Speaker 1: Dallas and do neutral field. Nick Saban's like, we're not

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Speaker 1: facing another elite team on the road. We're in the SEC. Well, now,

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten is arguably better than the SEC because

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Speaker 1: they added the best of the Pac twelve. So now

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Speaker 1: you've got Nick Saban told you what he thinks about

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Speaker 1: out of conference. We're not doing it. Yeah, going Citadel, Troy,

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Speaker 1: Youngstown State, and then we're going into the SEC. This idea,

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Speaker 1: though it means a lot. I gotta go to Coxon, Seattle, Columbus.

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Speaker 8: But that's that way with all rivalries. It's almost more

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Speaker 8: meaningful to the alumni, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 8: mean the USC band tonight they're taking over Gibson's.

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Speaker 5: This is a big restaurant here.

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Speaker 8: Mark Terrier Havings talking to Mary today. The band will

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Speaker 8: go down Michigan Avenue, Okay, playing music. I mean it's

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Speaker 8: a They have a caravan from downtown Chicago to South

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Speaker 8: Bend following the.

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Speaker 5: Buses tomorrow they may be fifty cars or.

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Speaker 1: Any of those Tuba players playing defensive end.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban told you what he thinks about out of

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Speaker 1: conference and rivalries.

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Speaker 8: It's big for the alumni and the fans in football

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Speaker 8: today in college football.

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Speaker 2: Get to the playoff exactly.

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Speaker 1: That keeps the staff intact, It keeps the alumni happy.

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Speaker 1: The Tuba player will get over it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the bowl game, that's that's the thing in the past.

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Speaker 5: Now it's the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Good senior coach, Yeah, good say.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Play the Fox Super six NFL Challenge. Download the Fox

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Speaker 4: Sports app and enter for a free shot to win

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Speaker 4: your share of ten thousand dollars. One of the questions

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Speaker 4: is which QB will have the most passing yards this week?

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Speaker 4: Colin Dak Mahomes, Jordan Love or Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: Who you got cowhard?

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Speaker 3: This one's easy, Dak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Washington is struggling to get consistent pressure and they're giving

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Speaker 1: up big plays.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you see the total is fifty four and

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Speaker 3: a half. You know there's gonna be points.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's a very interesting weekend in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You you kind of get a sense the AFC North

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Speaker 1: now is back to being wide open. So Lamar is

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Speaker 1: going to be coming back soon. Oh yeah, the Chargers

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Speaker 1: have been struggling. That went over Miami for the Chargers

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Speaker 1: without Joe Alt and without Hampton and without Quinton Johnson,

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Speaker 1: a road win. That play by Herbert is much bigger

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Speaker 1: than you think to stay ahead of the Chargers. So

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Speaker 1: now they go back home and Alt's gonna play, Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack is back and Quinton Johnson may play. So they

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Speaker 1: had a three game stretch man. They were just you

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Speaker 1: just sometimes in this league you're just trying to survive

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Speaker 1: your Fred Waters, yeah, tread waters. So that win over

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Speaker 1: Miami last week, that play by Herbert, we said, it

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Speaker 1: didn't feel just like game saving. It was like season like,

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Speaker 1: uh oh, here come here comes Denver, Denver one in London,

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Speaker 1: here come the Chiefs. J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 5: No, no turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline news.

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Speaker 4: All right, Cole, Let's start with that other LA team,

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Speaker 4: the LA Rams now this is strange, but for whatever reason,

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Speaker 4: the red zone has been a major issue for the Rams.

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Speaker 4: They currently are twenty fourth in the league in red

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Speaker 4: zone TV percentage. That's with Poka Nakua and Don Davant

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Speaker 4: Adams and now pookub will not play it in London

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Colin I think the Jags

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Speaker 4: are kind of appetizing here. Can Javonte carry them here?

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Speaker 4: He is on their offensive issues.

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Speaker 10: I played with Aaron for you know, majority of my career,

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Speaker 10: played nine years together basically, and it didn't definitely start

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Speaker 10: off the first couple of years, let alone first couple

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Speaker 10: of games the way that we got going. So not

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Speaker 10: that we have another ten years to go, but it

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Speaker 10: takes time. It's not easy. You know, Pouke and Matthews

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Speaker 10: are playing together for years now, and you know they

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Speaker 10: they have a little better understanding for where one another

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Speaker 10: is going to be, what's what to expect and and

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Speaker 10: just making you know, making it work is it's been

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Speaker 10: a few where there's really no excuse for you know,

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Speaker 10: me or him or whatever, so we just got to

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Speaker 10: put it together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, first of all, they're not using their tight ends much.

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Speaker 1: Terrence Ferguson was their first you know, he was like

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Speaker 1: a second round pick. They haven't really played him much.

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Speaker 1: They've also had ball security issues with the running backs.

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Speaker 1: My question is, I wonder if Sean McVay has lost

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Speaker 1: confidence in Kyron Williams and Blake Krum in terms of

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Speaker 1: ball security. That could be part of where they're getting

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Speaker 1: more predictable because they just don't trust handing the ball

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Speaker 1: after their running backs and they're not using tight ends

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Speaker 1: a ton. So I think it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: where you know, Sean McVay got rid of Cam Akers,

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Speaker 1: he could not hold the ball. He likes those smaller

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Speaker 1: shift to your running backs. But Blake Corum is not.

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Speaker 1: He's been totally disappointing as a third round pick.

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Speaker 3: We loved him coming out of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he was just tremendous.

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Speaker 4: He got dinged up against the Ravens by the way,

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Speaker 4: had a great catch. But you're right, he's not getting

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Speaker 4: the usage because it's a trust issue.

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Speaker 1: I think the trust issue.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 4: I saw a report that the Rams are going to

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Speaker 4: arrive Saturday morning for their game on Sunday morning in London.

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Speaker 4: Now they stayed on the East Coast after the Baltimore game.

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Speaker 3: But this is insanity.

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Speaker 4: McVey must know something we don't, because you know, all

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Speaker 4: the smart teams arrive way early. The Jaguars, for instance,

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Speaker 4: got their Monday. Okay, you travel a lot, you're mister international. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you know it's going to be tough to travel and

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Speaker 4: then the next day wake up and play a football game. So,

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Speaker 4: just out of principle, I took the Jags in the points.

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Speaker 4: When I saw that the Rams are arriving Saturday morning,

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Speaker 4: I think that's insane, And no, Puka, I don't, is it.

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Speaker 3: I remember that division's tough.

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Speaker 1: Man. I think for young athletes, they're not out booze

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Speaker 1: and they're out prepping, going to bed early. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll be fine. I think for I think as you age,

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Speaker 1: international travels more of a jetlag thing. But I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, flying from wherever they're They were at Camden

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Speaker 1: Yards this week. Yeah, if you're flying from Baltimore on

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Speaker 1: the team plane to London, what is that a six

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Speaker 1: hour flight? Yeah, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we'll see on Monday. Colins. Next up,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. I know you saw this last night.

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Speaker 4: If yelling at his running back wasn't enough. How about

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Speaker 4: this Broderick Jones, but young man out of Georgia. Holy

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Speaker 4: Cowie flattened Aaron Rodgers, jumped on his back. Rogers came

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Speaker 4: up with some f bombs and shoved him. Listen, Rogers

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Speaker 4: was in a feisty mood last night.

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Speaker 1: That's not the smartest thing to do with the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: What is Jones doing? He was a highly acclaimed kid

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Speaker 4: out of Georgia. I mean, he's like three hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty pounds for this.

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Speaker 2: What well?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what if Rogers separated his shoulder something that

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Speaker 4: was insane?

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Speaker 3: I don't know any thoughts on that earth.

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Speaker 1: I think you shouldn't tackle your teammates who are forty

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Speaker 1: years old. I don't think it's that complicated. Let me

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Speaker 1: defend Aaron here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, next time you're in LA, I'll make sure to

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Speaker 4: celebrate a segment by jumping on your back and land

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Speaker 4: landing on you. Our final story, Colin, let's go to

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Speaker 4: Micah Parsons. He's been quiet green Bay. Hey, listen, green

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Speaker 4: Bay's not on our radar this week. Un two, you

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Speaker 4: picked Arizona Cardinals against them. Micah is getting in the

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Speaker 4: News Colin because he's got some comments about officiating, saying

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Speaker 4: he feels the refs call more defensive penalties than offensive penalties.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 11: That's the part of being one of the best, you know,

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Speaker 11: and that comes with some territory parts that you hate

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Speaker 11: and the parts at the league. Let's go like they know,

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Speaker 11: Like I mean, you could tell how they call the games.

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Speaker 11: They don't call sides for offense, but they'll call it

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Speaker 11: on defense. They won't call offensive passing affairs, but they'll

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Speaker 11: call defensive passing affairs. I mean, like, we know what

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Speaker 11: you're trying to do. They want to load the points

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Speaker 11: up so fans.

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Speaker 2: Can be happy.

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Speaker 11: And you know, I mean they'll call defensive holding, but

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Speaker 11: they won't call offensive holding, like like, let's just wake up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that means the league is rigged.

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Speaker 1: I think the league figured out after that CTE paycheck

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Speaker 1: they wrote for a billion dollars practices lighting up hitting

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Speaker 1: favor of the offense. And you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question the sport is better when there's points.

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Speaker 1: Don't hit anybody except running backs about the only position

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Speaker 1: now you can get hit from any angles. So he's

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Speaker 1: not wrong. They've tried to make the game more offensive,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, it's a fine line. You don't

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Speaker 1: want Canadian football. The NBA figured this out is that

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs when they let them play and it

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Speaker 1: was more physical, the ratings went up. People like physical play.

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Speaker 1: But WNBA found out when it's too physical, the players

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Speaker 1: get hurt and it hurts the quality of the game.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a balance. But it is clearly

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Speaker 1: undeniably an offensive game, and officials are are looking for

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Speaker 1: defensive players doing things that could get people hurt. That's fair, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll agree, no big, no big, disagree Jmack with.

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Speaker 2: A new Well, that's the news, and thanks for stupping

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Speaker 2: the herd line news.

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Speaker 1: We have our schedule. Jmack will have his picks next hour.

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Speaker 1: I you know, we will undoubtedly have an upset, But

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Speaker 1: it is interesting what is an upset now? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm are the Raiders going to beat Kansas City? I'll

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Speaker 1: probably take the Raiders to cover the spread, probably, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. I mean, if if New Orleans beat the Bears,

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Speaker 1: that's down to four and a half. I upset to

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Speaker 1: me is like eight points. It would be if the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants beat Denver. That would feel like an upset.

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Speaker 5: Huge.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I didn't make this a blazing

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Speaker 1: five pick. Houston at seattles Seattle's played in multiple big

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Speaker 1: emotional games, and Seattle's actually been a better road team

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Speaker 1: than a home Yes, strangely, Houston's an interesting team getting

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Speaker 1: three points, I don't think it. I think Monday week

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Speaker 1: or Tuesday morning, we view that as an upset, even

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Speaker 1: though it's a three point spread. I think Houston at

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Speaker 1: Seattle I thought about that game. I thought about taking Houston. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that. I mean, do you see

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Speaker 1: anything on the board now? You like Tennessee hosting New England.

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Speaker 3: So well, let's go back real quick.

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Speaker 4: So this Houston game last week, Seattle hit Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 4: seventeen times, more than any quarterback was hit I believe

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Speaker 4: in any game this season. I think they had seven sacks.

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Speaker 4: We know the Texans offensive line stinks, so night game

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Speaker 4: in Seattle, and I know the home field advantage is

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Speaker 4: not what it was.

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Speaker 3: How is c J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud going to be kept upright? And Seattle's getting the

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Speaker 4: defensive backs returning from injury, So I don't I was

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Speaker 4: going Seattle here. I bet the Seahawks in this favor

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Speaker 4: by three. You see in Houston, is it just coming

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Speaker 4: off the buy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're coming off the buy. Seattle's been

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Speaker 1: in many spirited, close games, and I think, and I

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Speaker 1: think you know, off of by Houston's about as healthy

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Speaker 1: as they've been. I think when you play big game

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Speaker 1: after big game, after a big game, look at Seattle's

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Speaker 1: injury report, and I you know, I I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I thought Washington was gonna take care of Chicago and

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Speaker 1: the home field didn't matter. So I do think Detroit

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Speaker 1: at home against Tampa that feels like a really good spot.

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Speaker 1: Because Detroit just got whacked by Kansas City. They're in

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Speaker 1: a really bad mood. And I mean, let's be honest

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Speaker 1: about Tampa. You can't keep winning like this over and

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Speaker 1: over and over. Generally it catches up with you. I

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Speaker 1: don't see a bunch of I don't see it as

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Speaker 1: a big upset weekend. I mean, one of the more

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Speaker 1: interesting games to me is Atlanta at San Francisco. I

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Speaker 1: think the wise guys actually like Atlanta. But Atlanta is

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Speaker 1: one of those dome teams that I kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like when they go on the road, they don't get

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Speaker 1: the same team. And San Francisco, if if you look

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Speaker 1: at the practice reports, if San Francisco can bring it

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Speaker 1: back a couple of weapons, I like San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree. We're seeing some of these splits.

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Speaker 4: Like if Atlanta's playing in a dome, you can bet

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Speaker 4: them they're not a lot to cover. But outdoors is

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Speaker 4: a totally different animal. Cleveland, for instance, at home, I

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Speaker 4: think you can bet them. I do need to ask

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Speaker 4: you that Drake May line is at seven seven and

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Speaker 4: a half colin. So now we have Drake May laying

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Speaker 4: a touchdown in Tennessee. I know that there's like a

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Speaker 4: dead cat bound sometimes for teams that fire their coach, Right.

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Speaker 3: Is Tennessee going to get that?

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Speaker 4: Hey we got Callahan out of here, everybody, let's rally

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Speaker 4: the truth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw UCLA at the college level one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent gets rid of their coach and nobody in

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Speaker 1: the world. I sat and watched that game for three hours.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what I was watched. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: were a cameering Penn State. I would so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like it just who you play next and who you

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Speaker 1: played last matters in college and proh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: By the way, third straight road game in New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 4: they've been.

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Speaker 1: Road weird warriors. Yeah, that's very interesting that that That's

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Speaker 1: probably why a lot of the wise guys like the Titans.

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Speaker 4: Is the side we have that in the headlines on

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Speaker 4: other fun stack because I know you like these Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Culture going to the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: You know this is their second visit to so far

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Speaker 4: in a month, right, Yeah, they were just out here

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Speaker 4: against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will say this the Bears. The Bears

802
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Speaker 1: have had so many disappointments at quarterback, right, they could

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Speaker 1: have had my homes the justin fields that thought was

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Speaker 1: going to be great. People are very defensive in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about Caleb Williams. They everybody is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they when you've been burned so many times,

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Speaker 1: you could be an employee, you could be a boyfriend

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Speaker 1: when you get burned so many times. Chicago's been burned

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Speaker 1: so many times at the quarterback position. They are when

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Speaker 1: you listen to sports talk radio, it's nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: hear anything negative. Dave Wantstat's a former Bear coach. I

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Speaker 1: think Ben was the right choice. I think eventually Caleb

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Speaker 1: is going to get he's going to speed up his delivery.

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Speaker 1: Here was wanstat on what he's seeing with those two.

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Speaker 8: What's happening now is he's sitting in the pocket and

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Speaker 8: he's waiting more patiently for receivers that come.

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Speaker 5: Open in the middle of the field. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 8: I think he's doing everything that he can do to

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Speaker 8: try to master this offense. And there's there's a lot

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Speaker 8: to it. I know last week ben Ben cut down

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Speaker 8: on things. I mean, he's simplified things coming out of

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Speaker 8: the by which everybody was surprised how he was going

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Speaker 8: to handle the buy week and he said he actually

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Speaker 8: he cut down and they had some physical practices.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I do like the Bears to win again.

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Speaker 1: Dome team. Weather's getting cold in Chicago. I think the

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Speaker 1: Bears win. I think it's fairly close. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight to twenty four. But I like Chicago to

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Speaker 1: go to fourn Jew on the season.