Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Hour listeners. I hope you enjoyed these throwback
Speaker 1: episodes of Happy Hour. We'll be back with new episodes
Speaker 1: very soon.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start with this one,
Speaker 2: so first of all, I just have to announce that
Speaker 2: we are coming to you live from backstage at.
Speaker 3: After the final rows. I mean, how do we.
Speaker 2: Sum this up into one word? Becka, I mean, barbs
Speaker 2: what I've been saying, But I'm a speechless you guys,
Speaker 2: we have so much to get into, so much to
Speaker 2: talk about, Bacher Nation, Bacher Happy Hour listeners.
Speaker 3: I know you were upset that we didn't have.
Speaker 2: A podcast yesterday, but my god, was it not worth
Speaker 2: the wait? Were we not all waiting for what was
Speaker 2: going to happen tonight? We have a special guest with
Speaker 2: us in the studio today. But first I just have
Speaker 2: to say that I'm so happy that I am not
Speaker 2: doing this alone like I had to at Women's tell All,
Speaker 2: I have my wonderful co host with me Becca Koper
Speaker 2: is in the building.
Speaker 3: Back.
Speaker 1: I'm back.
Speaker 4: I am here off the road, taking a break from
Speaker 4: the tour for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: And Rachel, as you said, I mean, obviously we.
Speaker 4: Could have I've had a podcast today, but there was
Speaker 4: so much that was left inside that we had to
Speaker 4: see go down. So now you're getting the full gist
Speaker 4: of everything that we saw in the past two days,
Speaker 4: which I mean, this entire season was a crazy wild ride,
Speaker 4: and this evening just really I think summed everything that
Speaker 4: we've seen in the past ten weeks up in one night.
Speaker 4: And my mind is I mean, I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: kind of shaking right now. My mind is still a
Speaker 4: little bit blown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel
Speaker 2: like we heard a lot of talking, and there was
Speaker 2: a lot of talking in circles except for one person
Speaker 2: who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight. A
Speaker 2: lot of circular talking. And I think that what's going
Speaker 2: to be so great about our podcast tonight is that
Speaker 2: we're going to unravel exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: We're going to get down to it.
Speaker 2: We're going to ask the hard questions that weren't asked
Speaker 2: on stage, and we're going to make sure we get
Speaker 2: those answers.
Speaker 3: That we know Bacher Nation needs.
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk to some people tonight, but
Speaker 2: I am so excited that we are talking wit.
Speaker 1: Let me give you a drumm roll. We need a
Speaker 1: drum roll for the person.
Speaker 2: Only one person one tonight, and that person is Hannah Ann.
Speaker 3: Hannah Ann, welcome to Ba's for Happy Hour.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys having me.
Speaker 4: Well we I mean I needed personally first say, when
Speaker 4: I first met you five seconds ago, you often and
Speaker 4: I was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted
Speaker 4: to just take you under my wing because throughout this
Speaker 4: entire journey that I've had for years, there's probably only
Speaker 4: one other person who has now experienced things like I
Speaker 4: have experienced, and that is you. And let me first
Speaker 4: start by saying, yes, we're so excited to have you.
Speaker 4: We can't wait to dive in and get your side
Speaker 4: of everything.
Speaker 1: But the way you handle things when.
Speaker 4: Peter ended things and even tonight on stage, it was
Speaker 4: with so much grace and dignity. But I looked up
Speaker 4: to you in a way you said the things that
Speaker 4: you had to say, and when I was in your position,
Speaker 4: I was so I think blinded and nervous and anxious
Speaker 4: and feeling like so constricted that it was finally nice
Speaker 4: to see a badass woman stand up there and say
Speaker 4: what she needed to say to put Peter in his place.
Speaker 1: And as Rachel said, I really do feel like.
Speaker 4: You are the winner of tonight because you handled it
Speaker 4: with so much dignity.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you're here.
Speaker 4: And I think I speak on behalf of all of
Speaker 4: veterination when I say our hearts broke for you. I
Speaker 4: mean we were watching backstage and I truly felt how
Speaker 4: I felt years ago, and so thank you for being here.
Speaker 4: Thank you for putting your heart and everything, your love
Speaker 4: life on the line. You know, it's a weird it's
Speaker 4: a weird world when it's for other people's entertainment, but
Speaker 4: you handled everything beautifully, and I keep saying with so
Speaker 4: much grace, but thank you.
Speaker 5: I was thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: And I like the whole time that we were watching
Speaker 2: what happened tonight, Becca and I just.
Speaker 3: Kept like chatting like two little girls.
Speaker 2: And Becca kept saying that she understood you and what
Speaker 2: you went through. And I know that we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: dive into that even further into the podcast. But this
Speaker 2: is the first podcast that you've done, as you said,
Speaker 2: so thank you so much for doing our podcast first
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 3: Can stop after that.
Speaker 2: Because no one has talked to you, and then the
Speaker 2: first time we really heard you speak, I really want
Speaker 2: to get start from the beginning because we saw you
Speaker 2: one way and then we do not. It's one of
Speaker 2: the things that we did not get the answer to,
Speaker 2: even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we
Speaker 2: did not understand how it got to where it did,
Speaker 2: and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.
Speaker 2: So I really want to get into it because I
Speaker 2: feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even
Speaker 2: say that I did it as well.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I first time we talked to Peter and I saw
Speaker 2: you still him so many times. I compared you to
Speaker 2: Luke p I was like, is she a little bit
Speaker 2: Luke peish?
Speaker 3: And he said, no, she's not, and he was like
Speaker 3: really defensive.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, we got it. She's going
Speaker 1: some places.
Speaker 2: No. But I feel like one one theme in y'all
Speaker 2: season is that there was a lack of communication and
Speaker 2: people weren't really communicating their feelings and their thoughts, and
Speaker 2: you got a lot of heat for it as well,
Speaker 2: But tonight you put all that to rest. So let's
Speaker 2: kind of start from the beginning with you know, you
Speaker 2: getting the first impression Rows and how that night went down,
Speaker 2: and so I guess one, did you think you were
Speaker 2: going to get it? And did you feel like you
Speaker 2: had a target on your back? And this is pre
Speaker 2: Champagne gay, Let's just not well yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the first night, you know, getting the first impression,
Speaker 7: I you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 5: Of girls around, and I wanted you.
Speaker 6: Know, I was excited to see Peter.
Speaker 7: You know, we film all night long, hours and hours
Speaker 7: and hours, so the times that I would go up
Speaker 7: and see him again hours had passed.
Speaker 5: I'm like, of course I want to go see him again.
Speaker 5: If I get the opportunity, I want to go speak
Speaker 5: with him again.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been waiting to like speak with him,
Speaker 7: and I'm here for purpose. My words have a purpose
Speaker 7: and meaning behind them, and I I was excited to
Speaker 7: get to know him. Plus, if I'm taking the time
Speaker 7: to start this journey, I want to be sure if
Speaker 7: we even have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending
Speaker 7: time with the other girls, but at the forefront of
Speaker 7: my mind was always going to be Peter and seeing
Speaker 7: if we had that connection, and if I didn't ever
Speaker 7: feel that, I would have parted ways.
Speaker 2: You know, weren't you worried about being that girl, that
Speaker 2: girl who's going to be the one stealing him because
Speaker 2: you didn't know.
Speaker 3: You were going to get the first impression of usk? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So does that not cross your mind at all?
Speaker 2: Because I know at one point you said, I'm not
Speaker 2: typically like this, but we couldn't tell.
Speaker 7: Right right, And I think in the beginning I came
Speaker 7: off completely like the wrong way, and looking back on
Speaker 7: and I'm like, oh my goodness, like that was not
Speaker 7: what I wanted to come across as. But I was
Speaker 7: just focused on me and Peter and tried to keep
Speaker 7: that at the forefront of my mind at all times,
Speaker 7: and enjoyed the entire process, even if meant, you know,
Speaker 7: spending time with the girls. But at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, when I was there Peter and Peter only
Speaker 7: and trying to figure out and give our give us
Speaker 7: the best shot.
Speaker 4: Well, and I will say because we did sit down
Speaker 4: with Peter at the very beginning and I asked him,
Speaker 4: I was like, did you like that that haim An
Speaker 4: stole you so many times?
Speaker 1: And he did. He was all for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he was wanting to talk to me
Speaker 5: more that night.
Speaker 1: Yea, okay, so he liked it. So clearly it was
Speaker 1: reciprocated on both ends.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was like, who's this crazy girl
Speaker 4: who keeps stealing me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I know it might seem like I was pressing myself
Speaker 7: on him, but he was telling me he wanted to
Speaker 7: talk to me more that night, you know, and opportunities
Speaker 7: were presented to me to talk to him. And it's
Speaker 7: been a couple of hours. I'm like, sure, Yeah, he
Speaker 7: told me to talk to him again, so I'm like,
Speaker 7: I'm going to So feelings were, you know, on both
Speaker 7: sides wanting to communicate and talk more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it were. It did, It clearly did. And then
Speaker 1: we go on to I mean fast forward a little bit.
Speaker 1: This whole champagne gait.
Speaker 4: Which was champagne was such a common theme. I feel
Speaker 4: like throughout what was your take? Because when we recapped
Speaker 4: that week, I was saying, you know, there's clearly the
Speaker 4: show does certain things. They set up certain things to
Speaker 4: you know, stir the pot and to cause that drama.
Speaker 4: And I really truly was like, I don't think han
Speaker 4: Ann knew that that.
Speaker 1: One was Kelsey's. I think she just saw it was
Speaker 1: a cute set.
Speaker 4: Up for her and Peter, So we didn't think you
Speaker 4: did it maliciously. But what was your take when that
Speaker 4: all went down?
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, when all that went down, I wastely
Speaker 7: blindsided by it and I.
Speaker 6: Didn't know how to handle it.
Speaker 7: And you know, in the end, me and Kelsey were
Speaker 7: able to like, you know, put aside our differences and
Speaker 7: become friends because we were like, hey, we have like,
Speaker 7: you know, a couple more weeks with each other, hopefully,
Speaker 7: like we have to pull you know, we have to
Speaker 7: put this bull crap aside.
Speaker 6: And like learn to you know, be friends or at
Speaker 6: least live like in the same house together.
Speaker 7: So when all that went down, I was like, oh crap,
Speaker 7: Like I've never had that conflict like this, Like how
Speaker 7: do I handle this? So like I was just trying
Speaker 7: to be as logical as possible and just be like, hey,
Speaker 7: I didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across
Speaker 7: maybe to some people as like cold hearted, but I
Speaker 7: was just trying to like be as straightforward and concise
Speaker 7: as possible and not let the emotions get to me.
Speaker 5: And it did.
Speaker 3: Upset me.
Speaker 5: I remember that night.
Speaker 7: I cried all night long, and I remember some of
Speaker 7: the girls in the house were like, you know, they
Speaker 7: can't ant like people like like the other girls need
Speaker 7: to see the side of you, Like they need to
Speaker 7: see that you're.
Speaker 5: Upset and see that you didn't mean that.
Speaker 7: But in the moment, I was just trying to be
Speaker 7: as clear as possible with her, so she knew that
Speaker 7: my point got across.
Speaker 6: I did not steal your champagne. That's where you know I'm.
Speaker 7: Not just champagne, because I was just trying to like,
Speaker 7: you know, we'll let her know that.
Speaker 4: And I get it. I mean I never was in
Speaker 4: a sorority. I mean, I have a big group of girlfriends.
Speaker 1: But when you're.
Speaker 4: Living with twenty plus people from all across the country,
Speaker 4: people that you don't know, you don't know how they interact,
Speaker 4: how they process things, it's a really scary thing. And
Speaker 4: I and I think you handled it well. I will say,
Speaker 4: I mean I would have probably done the same. I
Speaker 4: would have been like, look, I can't feel this fire
Speaker 4: so much. I'll say what I have to sail confronted.
Speaker 4: Hopefully it dies. But it's a really people I don't
Speaker 4: think realize how scary that first week is, Like it's
Speaker 4: all aknown so you have no idea what to expect
Speaker 4: with the lead, with the production aspect, with living with
Speaker 4: so many people, and so it's it's unturned territory that
Speaker 4: no one, no one should actually know how to handle that.
Speaker 1: Right, right.
Speaker 7: And me and Kelsey didn't know each other at that point,
Speaker 7: so we didn't kind of know, you know, how we
Speaker 7: both you know, how we both respond to situations are
Speaker 7: very different.
Speaker 5: But what I know now about her and what she
Speaker 5: knows now about.
Speaker 6: Me, it would have been completely different.
Speaker 7: I mean that was like day five based yea, so
Speaker 7: we didn't know each other at all, which would have changed,
Speaker 7: you know, both of our responses to the situation.
Speaker 2: I think what was hard for people to handle is
Speaker 2: you were so cool, calm and collected.
Speaker 3: In your response.
Speaker 2: And I remember saying, I was like, I probably would
Speaker 2: have responded the same way that it came across as nonchalant, right, And.
Speaker 3: I was like, I think that it's being misunderstood because
Speaker 3: I got it. I was like, kudos to her. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't even think I could have handled it that well.
Speaker 2: I think the one thing was that I think you
Speaker 2: said it was bullying her, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: word that we throw out around too often.
Speaker 3: She definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was
Speaker 3: wrong and how she handled.
Speaker 2: It for sure, But I think the way you handled it,
Speaker 2: I didn't think you needed to cry and match her
Speaker 2: emotion in that. I thought that the way that you
Speaker 2: handled it kind of diffuse the situation and it didn't
Speaker 2: create a Fanasco.
Speaker 1: Can talk about.
Speaker 2: Masco, Yes she is, and what happened.
Speaker 7: This whole season has been a Fanasco and that is
Speaker 7: my cap on the whole entire season.
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna do you know the right word? Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, fanasco.
Speaker 3: Can't you say the right word fiasco?
Speaker 5: Fiasco?
Speaker 3: I was trying to give you.
Speaker 1: I was trying to give you a chance.
Speaker 5: You know what I like to say, fanasco.
Speaker 3: But for the record, you do know it's fiasco.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you should trademark fanasco.
Speaker 3: I should.
Speaker 7: It's just like, and you know what's so funny is
Speaker 7: that in the moment I said that, and I had
Speaker 7: no idea that I even like misspoke, Like I had
Speaker 7: no idea and like that'sn't even like a word that
Speaker 7: I had used in the bath, So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I had no idea where that came from.
Speaker 1: Look, your brain was shumbled that first week.
Speaker 4: A lot went down. I would have been making them.
Speaker 4: I do still make up my own words, So I
Speaker 4: don't blame you for that. So we go on.
Speaker 1: Well, of course we see you form friendships like you
Speaker 1: and Kelsey seem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's a really sweet girl, you guys. She doesn't
Speaker 7: have a mean bone in her body.
Speaker 1: She's very very just had to get past the champagne.
Speaker 2: Women.
Speaker 3: Tell she was cool.
Speaker 5: I didn't steal your champagne. After that, she became like.
Speaker 7: A really great friend, honestly, and you're still friends. Yeah,
Speaker 7: we are, all right, she's a really nice person.
Speaker 3: So let's jump. Let's just just move on. Well, you
Speaker 3: know you got roses.
Speaker 2: We were We knew you were a front runner, you know,
Speaker 2: after you won the modeling thing, which totally should have
Speaker 2: or how are those is that revolved that you're wearing?
Speaker 3: Are the Revolt clothes working for?
Speaker 1: Does not to point that out?
Speaker 2: Like a girl's dream, right, like, just to be able
Speaker 2: to get twenty five twenty four thousand dollars worth whatever
Speaker 2: it was worth.
Speaker 1: Of clothes the closet No, it is not, and it should.
Speaker 3: That's a good problem to happen.
Speaker 2: So I want to just just get right to Fantasy
Speaker 2: Suites because you have a meme that's going around where
Speaker 2: you're looking and I wish you guys.
Speaker 3: You guys know that's what happy our listeners.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's
Speaker 2: the best meme ever with the brown and the squinty
Speaker 2: guys like, say what now, that's that's.
Speaker 3: What the face is.
Speaker 2: So we learn in the Fantasy suite. We all know
Speaker 2: what goes down to Fantasy Suite. Nobody, whether you've watched
Speaker 2: Bouts or or not, you know what Fantasy Suite is about.
Speaker 2: And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,
Speaker 2: which is crazy.
Speaker 3: But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts.
Speaker 2: About Fantasy sueet week, which at that point she had
Speaker 2: shared with you, but she hadn't shared with Peter himself, right,
Speaker 2: And then it became this.
Speaker 3: Whole ultimatum thing. Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 1: Was it not?
Speaker 3: I'm asking you? Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 6: Was it an ultimatum?
Speaker 7: You know, for me, me and Madison are just two
Speaker 7: different people and we make different decisions, and I felt
Speaker 7: completely uncomfortable that entire weekend that I even knew, you.
Speaker 6: Know, the conversations that she was wanting to have with Peter.
Speaker 7: I was just wanting to focus on me and him
Speaker 7: and not let anything.
Speaker 6: Distract me from that.
Speaker 7: So thinking that it's an ultimatum between Madison and Peter,
Speaker 7: not necessarily because I.
Speaker 6: Think Madison was doing what was best for her, But that's.
Speaker 3: Not an ultimate that's not the definition of an.
Speaker 2: Ultimatum is like if you do this, then this, Yes,
Speaker 2: It's like, doesn't matter your motive behind because it's not
Speaker 2: wrong to believe what you believe and to feel that.
Speaker 7: No, but nobody's a judged her for that. I never
Speaker 7: judged her for that. Was I taken back by it?
Speaker 5: Yes, because I didn't want to be involved in it.
Speaker 7: I don't want to have these conversations with anyone, you know,
Speaker 7: about them and Peter. I was focused on me, and
Speaker 7: so when she was telling me, you know, she felt
Speaker 7: like he couldn't do certain things for her to move
Speaker 7: forward with him, I was just kind of like gave
Speaker 7: her a look of a what were.
Speaker 3: You close with her in the house?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we I was, Yeah, I was close with her.
Speaker 4: I wanted to know did she talk because we didn't
Speaker 4: see her bring up this conversation with Peter until the
Speaker 4: very end, the very end.
Speaker 1: And was this something because I feel like when I
Speaker 1: was on ra season.
Speaker 4: With all the girls, we talked about a lot, like
Speaker 4: everything was out in the open.
Speaker 1: There wasn't many secrets between us.
Speaker 4: So was this something that was brought up in the
Speaker 4: in the house with all of the girls beforehand, or
Speaker 4: was that the first time you were hearing about it too?
Speaker 7: I think when we sat down, we you know, had
Speaker 7: to have that conversation about her telling Peter her standards
Speaker 7: and stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, I gave that look because I was kind
Speaker 5: of taken back by it.
Speaker 3: So you hadn't heard it before?
Speaker 7: No, I was thinking in my I knew, you know,
Speaker 7: she had certain lifestyle values and I knew that they
Speaker 7: didn't line up with Peter's.
Speaker 6: But I was thinking that they might have had that
Speaker 6: conversation weeks before and its prior.
Speaker 7: But my face is kind of like, oh gosh, I
Speaker 7: don't want to get involved in this, like you know
Speaker 7: you do you know, for me, I was never intending
Speaker 7: to give Peter a hall pass of you do whatever
Speaker 7: you want. My intention was I see the big picture
Speaker 7: and me and you truly begin after all this is
Speaker 7: over after when it's just me and you, And that
Speaker 7: was my intention behind it. I just wanted him to,
Speaker 7: you know, focus on him and try to be as
Speaker 7: understanding as possible the amount of streuss and pressure he's under.
Speaker 5: And if we meet each other and the end.
Speaker 6: Great, that's when we start. Yeah, that's when it's just.
Speaker 5: About me and you.
Speaker 2: It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.
Speaker 2: It's just uncomfortable knowing while I'm sitting here something else
Speaker 2: is going on. Like it it gets to everybody back then,
Speaker 2: I have both been there on both sides of it.
Speaker 4: I just want to know you went first, and obviously
Speaker 4: Victoria and then Madison. Do you think had well a,
Speaker 4: had you guys all been removed from each other and
Speaker 4: be gone in a different order, would things have changed?
Speaker 7: No, Because I think Peter and Madison hold different lifestyles
Speaker 7: or lived. I think Peter Madison lived different lifestyles and
Speaker 7: hold different values. And I don't think this is exactly just.
Speaker 6: An issue with the fantasy speek.
Speaker 7: So I think it's lifestyles and how you see life
Speaker 7: and how you judge everything out of life.
Speaker 2: So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like
Speaker 2: Becca was saying, as women in the house, you chitchat
Speaker 2: and you talk and you get to know each other
Speaker 2: better than you get to know whoever the lead is.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, you say you knew that they had
Speaker 2: different lifestyles and they were on different pages. As a viewer,
Speaker 2: we didn't get that till week seven, and it was
Speaker 2: only that we got that they had were different as
Speaker 2: far as religion.
Speaker 3: We had no idea they had different lifestyles. But obviously
Speaker 3: you were privy to that information.
Speaker 2: So Madison made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where
Speaker 2: she said to Peter, I've been struggling this entire time,
Speaker 2: and I've been having.
Speaker 3: A really hard time. Is that something that you saw
Speaker 3: in the house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we.
Speaker 3: Didn't see that, and what and what did you see?
Speaker 5: I saw?
Speaker 7: You know, she was struggling with the week and just
Speaker 7: knowing that. I think she was coming to the realization
Speaker 7: that they live very different lifestyles, which is hard to
Speaker 7: kind of comprehend when you're in when you're on the
Speaker 7: show and you're not in your lifestyle, you're not on
Speaker 7: your day to day basis of your hobbies and like
Speaker 7: your schedule and how you live your life.
Speaker 6: So I think that was trying.
Speaker 7: I think at that point that was coming very apparent
Speaker 7: to her, and I think that that's what she was
Speaker 7: struggling with, along with just the stress of fantasy fantasy
Speaker 7: see week, which is stressful for anyone.
Speaker 4: I do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing
Speaker 4: in a bit because it leads me into some questions
Speaker 4: like after you and Peter were already together, so can
Speaker 4: we fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to
Speaker 4: the juicy, the juicy part everyone. So the last week
Speaker 4: you met the family, they fell in love with you.
Speaker 1: Madison at the family, it wasn't this, It wasn't the same.
Speaker 4: And that you know, I don't want to talk about
Speaker 4: Madison too too much because she's not here. I want
Speaker 4: to focus on you and your time with Peter.
Speaker 1: So you get to that last.
Speaker 4: Week and you would absolutely then no idea that Madison
Speaker 4: had left early.
Speaker 1: Correct, no idea.
Speaker 4: So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,
Speaker 4: he's standing there, and we also didn't know if you
Speaker 4: were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: you're kind of making a sway, So you get to
Speaker 4: that moment and he's in the middle of this speech
Speaker 4: to you where it should be about you, guys, and
Speaker 4: he goes, Madison left two days ago. And in that moment,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys caught it, but when
Speaker 4: he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit and
Speaker 4: all he says is is that all he said? I
Speaker 4: want to know, was he just like she left a
Speaker 4: couple of days ago, and then goes on.
Speaker 1: To all these great things about you.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it was completely downplayd didn't give me the
Speaker 7: courtesy or respect to have a sit down conversation.
Speaker 5: Hey, this this is what's been going on this week.
Speaker 3: This is where my.
Speaker 7: Headspace is at. Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that,
Speaker 7: just told me that very quickly and downplayed it, and
Speaker 7: then immediately went to but my heart choes is you
Speaker 7: and your love of my life. But I don't want
Speaker 7: to spend forever with you.
Speaker 2: Did you get an inkling that kind of what we
Speaker 2: saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night.
Speaker 2: Because we never usually see someone say I don't know
Speaker 2: if I want to show up right. Usually, when you
Speaker 2: get to that point, that person is ready to go
Speaker 2: there whether they're going to accept a proposal and they
Speaker 2: have no idea. You were struggling before the engagement. Why
Speaker 2: was that because we never really got those answers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my instincts were telling me I wasn't getting all
Speaker 7: the information I needed to make a decision with Peter.
Speaker 3: And that's intuition.
Speaker 5: That's intuition, and that's instincts.
Speaker 7: And should I have stayed on that bed in Australia, Absolutely,
Speaker 7: But I wasn't going to give up on someone that
Speaker 7: I loved and he the last words he told me
Speaker 7: on our last chance date was that he was going
Speaker 7: to make the decision that's best for both of us.
Speaker 5: To trust him.
Speaker 7: And when you're with someone, you know, this is a
Speaker 7: wacky situation, but I'm taking it for what it is.
Speaker 7: When you're with someone, you trust their word. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: that's why I showed up. So I was going to
Speaker 7: trust his words and follow through. And in the end,
Speaker 7: I think he, you know, took advantage of the fact
Speaker 7: that he conveniently left out very important information prior to
Speaker 7: me making a commitment with them. And you know, as
Speaker 7: the audience is watching this for the very first time,
Speaker 7: I'm just like an average viewer, like, I'm just like
Speaker 7: everyone else watching this, like a lot of information was left.
Speaker 4: Out, which is why Bauchler happy our listeners. I need
Speaker 4: to reiterate this because I was the same way when
Speaker 4: I was in your position. This is Hannah Ann's first
Speaker 4: time truly watching this all go down. Yes, she lived it,
Speaker 4: but there's so many pieces to this entire puzzle that
Speaker 4: she missed that she didn't see, and so she.
Speaker 1: Was backstage watching it just like we all were watching it.
Speaker 4: And so I'm sure in those moments and even now,
Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot that you're still processing.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question when you say that
Speaker 2: there was a lot you did and see, are you
Speaker 2: just talking about what happened post engagement or are you
Speaker 2: also talking about what you watched the entire h this
Speaker 2: whole journey, like all these weeks, this entire.
Speaker 7: Season, entire season entirely explain that really it was Peter
Speaker 7: wanted me to stay with him, and he downplayed his
Speaker 7: feelings towards Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup,
Speaker 7: he couldn't really own up to it and reached out
Speaker 7: to my parents and said that he you know, basically
Speaker 7: that he was struggling processing all of his emotions.
Speaker 6: That's what he left that and it was very vague.
Speaker 7: He speaks half truths, and so while I'm watching this season,
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense,
Speaker 7: Like this is why we broke up. Makes a whole
Speaker 7: lot more sense because he couldn't really own up to
Speaker 7: the fact of how he was truly feeling.
Speaker 1: I want to know too.
Speaker 4: So after okay, so after you guys did get engaged,
Speaker 4: and he was very vague about oh, yeah, Madison left
Speaker 4: two days ago, but you guys still ended up together.
Speaker 4: You have days when you're together before I'm sure you
Speaker 4: flew back to the US, before you know, you got
Speaker 4: back to your normal life. Did he in those moments
Speaker 4: ever disclose more of why she left? Did you guys
Speaker 4: get into that conversation.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: He always whenever that conversation was brought up, it was
Speaker 7: always like this is the past, and always made sure
Speaker 7: to reassure me that I was his person, that I
Speaker 7: was a loved life, and that he was always going
Speaker 7: to choose me. So always kind of went in with
Speaker 7: that reassurance to where I'm like, hmm, okay. But as
Speaker 7: the season started to roll, things weren't quite adding up, and.
Speaker 2: So let's break this down because I'm an evidenced, like logical,
Speaker 2: I need to see how things timeline out. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we talked to Peter. So you get engaged somewhere around
Speaker 2: a week before Thanksgiving around that time. Yeah, you're together
Speaker 2: this whole time. We talked to Peter first week in January.
Speaker 2: He tells us he is so happy. We talked to
Speaker 2: his parents. As we can see, Barb cannot control her
Speaker 2: emotions and she was happy at that time. So if
Speaker 2: it wasn't you, we would have already known.
Speaker 3: She was not okay.
Speaker 2: So the season has started, y'all are still together? When
Speaker 2: did you have the conversation that we saw happen on
Speaker 2: TV TV?
Speaker 7: You know, like I said on stage, the beginning of
Speaker 7: January was when he approached me that he needed to
Speaker 7: speak with Hannah Brown. Yeah, to know about that, that's
Speaker 7: the first red flag.
Speaker 2: But start talk about that. He told you he needs
Speaker 2: to talk to Hannah Brown.
Speaker 7: Yes, he told me he needed to talk to Hannah
Speaker 7: Brown because he needed closure?
Speaker 1: Did he not get that?
Speaker 7: I was trying to convince me that I should feel
Speaker 7: comfortable with that, And I'm like, why did.
Speaker 3: He need closure?
Speaker 7: Why do you we we're engaged, right and just listen.
Speaker 7: I wasn't on that group date with him and Hannah Brown.
Speaker 7: I had not seen that episode of them all cozy
Speaker 7: cozy up in a couch, him crying and.
Speaker 5: Her possibly come back in the house.
Speaker 7: I have no idea, like none, And so when he
Speaker 7: brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know
Speaker 7: she came back in the season, but can you explain more?
Speaker 7: And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, why should.
Speaker 5: I feel comfortable with this? This is something that I
Speaker 5: feel like if you don't.
Speaker 7: You don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,
Speaker 7: let alone an engagement. That was the first red flag
Speaker 7: And I was questioning my own self because he was
Speaker 7: trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel.
Speaker 5: Settled with that.
Speaker 3: So did he get the closure?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: That was that was pretty close.
Speaker 6: I think that was like a week before he broke up.
Speaker 3: So he never reached out to her. He never tried
Speaker 3: to contact her or.
Speaker 4: Was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have
Speaker 4: conversations with other women aka Madison where he was trying
Speaker 4: to open up the door and like test the water
Speaker 4: and see how you felt.
Speaker 7: I probably, I don't quite know. That was so close
Speaker 7: to us breaking up, and then there was that going on,
Speaker 7: you know, and then there was the whole Oh the
Speaker 7: season started and I have unresolved issues.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm by your side.
Speaker 5: I gave you my word to be by your side.
Speaker 7: And his unresolved issues were having to watch back the
Speaker 7: show once again.
Speaker 6: He completely downplayed it completely.
Speaker 7: And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,
Speaker 7: that was the very first time I heard him say
Speaker 7: I can't give you my full heart. And I told
Speaker 7: him before I even went out there, I said, hey,
Speaker 7: like you're wanting to in things, give me a little
Speaker 7: bit of a heads up. I'll be fine, trust me,
Speaker 7: I'll cry, you know, just just give me a heads up.
Speaker 7: And we actually had talked that morning that.
Speaker 6: We weren't going to break up, that we were going
Speaker 6: to work through it.
Speaker 3: When was this February the February.
Speaker 5: Very end of January, very end of January.
Speaker 3: So y'all went all through December, Christmas, cool, just fine.
Speaker 2: You never had any inkling that he was because you
Speaker 2: during your breakup you kept saying I know you've been struggling,
Speaker 2: and I'm here for you.
Speaker 3: That that didn't start till January.
Speaker 5: That did not start till January.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I because one of the one of the
Speaker 2: questions we had when we were watching was seeing how
Speaker 2: happy he was to go get that ring for you, Nilane.
Speaker 2: We were sitting with Nilane watching tonight, and he was
Speaker 2: like the man I saw get that ring is not
Speaker 2: the man that I see now, like just totally different
Speaker 2: he was. He was ecstatic, approsing.
Speaker 4: He was kissing ring, like showed us pictures of the
Speaker 4: day of Peter kissing the ring he picked out.
Speaker 2: So I think what we're all trying to understand, like
Speaker 2: Becca and I, but also just like our listener's maachter Nation,
Speaker 2: is what happened. I get the Hannah Brown unresolved. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that was. But with the with whatever
Speaker 2: he said to you where you started, for you to
Speaker 2: say when you were headed to la Hey, if we're
Speaker 2: breaking up, let me know what was happening, because that's
Speaker 2: not the first thing I would say.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's just like what he told my
Speaker 7: parents even after a breakup, he was having trouble processing
Speaker 7: all of his emotions.
Speaker 6: Peter does not own up completely to the full.
Speaker 7: Truth, just kind of like on our engagement day, he
Speaker 7: knew that if he told me the full extent of
Speaker 7: where his heart and head was at that entire week,
Speaker 7: he knew the outcome would have been different. He knew
Speaker 7: that when we sat down had to open an honest conversation,
Speaker 7: my instincts would picked up on that he was not.
Speaker 6: Ready for a commitment.
Speaker 5: I think that's not what he wanted.
Speaker 4: I think that Peter that we've seen all season is
Speaker 4: he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his
Speaker 4: head in the clouds where he I think he hypes
Speaker 4: himself up to think he wants certain things, and it's
Speaker 4: not until he can take a step back or start
Speaker 4: rewatching this season where he sees the things that he
Speaker 4: now can't have. And I will say, like when I
Speaker 4: was still with Ari, because we were together for about
Speaker 4: a month and a half, had three happy couples together,
Speaker 4: like you guys, you know, I knew he had been
Speaker 4: startling and he felt guilty for how things went down
Speaker 4: with obviously Lauren, and I'm sure the other girls like
Speaker 4: that's just a human instinct, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You know. He started watching the season back.
Speaker 4: Our season started when we were still together, and he
Speaker 4: said he watched our season, our first episode, so the
Speaker 4: first date, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm more in
Speaker 4: love with you now than I ever was. And then
Speaker 4: fast forward to the next week where I wasn't on
Speaker 4: that date with him, and he started seeing other things.
Speaker 4: And I think it's in that moment where you watch
Speaker 4: it back as a man, because I don't think I
Speaker 4: got this as a woman, but I'm trying to trying
Speaker 4: to kind of process and put my feet where what
Speaker 4: am I trying to say, put my feet in his shoes?
Speaker 1: Whatever? Where He started.
Speaker 4: Then watching it back and started seeing his first date
Speaker 4: with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that he couldn't,
Speaker 4: as you said, quite on up to and acknowledge.
Speaker 1: Guys are hard human beings to try.
Speaker 4: The thing that I think makes me feel for you
Speaker 4: is that we see.
Speaker 1: Him get down on one knee. Well did we see
Speaker 1: him get down on one knee?
Speaker 5: He did get down on one day.
Speaker 1: I think I missed the part.
Speaker 4: I think I was so frazzled on it, but you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, he he gets engaged to you, he proposes
Speaker 4: to you, he promises you all these things without being
Speaker 4: fully honest. And for everyone listening, for all the men
Speaker 4: out there, if you think that you have to do
Speaker 4: a certain thing because it's gonna make us feel better,
Speaker 4: don't like be honest with us and give us the
Speaker 4: respect and the courtesy to make our decisions. Maybe had
Speaker 4: you known the full extent of everything, who knows what
Speaker 4: had happened, you could have very easily said, you know,
Speaker 4: I love you, I want to be with you, I
Speaker 4: want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't necessarily happen,
Speaker 4: but every woman and man who's on the show too
Speaker 4: deserves that respect.
Speaker 6: And deserves the truth.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 7: And so I don't know exactly what happened, I mean,
Speaker 7: nothing really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season
Speaker 7: has actually been really helpful for me because it's helped
Speaker 7: me work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him,
Speaker 7: because I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive
Speaker 7: and confusing, and who wants to be with that? And
Speaker 7: that doesn't make me feel secure and being with him,
Speaker 7: and so It's really helped me move forward because I
Speaker 7: know I deserve more than just someone giving, you know,
Speaker 7: than someone just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone,
Speaker 7: you know, someone who's going to give me a hundred percent.
Speaker 7: And I felt like me being so clear and not
Speaker 7: playing mind games with him, that he would give me
Speaker 7: that return.
Speaker 5: But really he was just reckless with my heart.
Speaker 4: Well, and he had said all season I want someone
Speaker 4: to love me as much as I love them, and.
Speaker 1: That was you.
Speaker 4: You gave that to him, You did, you loved him
Speaker 4: more of anything, And so I think he didn't. I
Speaker 4: think he went into the season thinking one thing, thinking
Speaker 4: it was going to be this magical, like beautiful, super easy,
Speaker 4: great seemless love story, and that wasn't the case. And
Speaker 4: I think he couldn't quite own up to what it
Speaker 4: was he truly wants and needs in a partner. All Right,
Speaker 4: Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1: We'll be coming up this Friday.
Speaker 4: But you know, we have to get into everything that
Speaker 4: happened during the finale. So Rachel, we got to dive
Speaker 4: in you and I need to talk back up.
Speaker 3: We need to talk about what we saw. So hannah
Speaker 3: An came out.
Speaker 1: She was a boss.
Speaker 3: She killed it.
Speaker 2: She said her piece. She put Peter in his place.
Speaker 2: He couldn't even defend himself. All he could say was,
Speaker 2: you're right. So the second half of the episode we
Speaker 2: deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison goes to her.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sum this up real quick, because we just
Speaker 2: want to get to the meat of it. Chris Harrison
Speaker 2: goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still into Peter,
Speaker 2: and she goes out to fly with Peter. We don't
Speaker 2: know the exact timeline. We don't know how much time was.
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was very quick. Seemed like she
Speaker 2: hopped on a plane and flew out with Chris Harrison
Speaker 2: to La. That's how it was presented to us. She
Speaker 2: gets to La, Peter has no idea he's going to
Speaker 2: see her. They see each other, they say they have this.
Speaker 2: They have so much to talk about. Of course, in
Speaker 2: true fashion this season, we see them talk about absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing other than they have feelings for each other, and
Speaker 2: then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We see
Speaker 2: Madison come out, We see them sitting there there, seem.
Speaker 3: Happy, but they're not touching.
Speaker 2: There seems to still be some space in between them,
Speaker 2: and we see them once again kind of dance around
Speaker 2: what it is that they are. We still are they
Speaker 2: boyfriend girlfriend? We know they're not engaged, We obviously know
Speaker 2: they're not married. And one thing we learned for sure
Speaker 2: is that Barb and the rest of the family and
Speaker 2: apparently the friends as.
Speaker 3: Well, do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that
Speaker 3: sums up what we saw.
Speaker 2: Where do we even start to begin about it? I mean,
Speaker 2: all of that being said, what was your take when
Speaker 2: it came to watching what went down tonight?
Speaker 3: Because I didn't expect any of this.
Speaker 2: You could read a spoiler an article, have your own
Speaker 2: preconceived notions, but you know it was gonna go down
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 4: No, And the best way I can describe it is
Speaker 4: when we first sat down with Peter at the very
Speaker 4: beginning of his season, he said he felt like there
Speaker 4: was something new and crazy thrown his way every week,
Speaker 4: and I feel like that didn't stop even through the finale,
Speaker 4: And like, think of everything that went down tonight, people,
Speaker 4: the main craziest part should have been that switcheroo and
Speaker 4: the breakup.
Speaker 1: With Hannah Ann and it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was everything that played out after and Rachel, as
Speaker 4: you said, we don't know where Madison and Peter stand.
Speaker 1: We don't know what is going on.
Speaker 4: We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if
Speaker 4: they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up
Speaker 4: a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know
Speaker 4: what that means.
Speaker 2: But Laurie K Publications just couldn't help herself and posted
Speaker 2: a picture of Madison her new client, about how she's
Speaker 2: the epitome of a class act. So Madison already has
Speaker 2: a manager slash pr person slash agent who couldn't wait
Speaker 2: five seconds to post that this is her new client.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Becca, I know that you're talking and I'm
Speaker 2: so distracted, but it just so goes into something that
Speaker 2: we talked about this season when it comes to we
Speaker 2: couldn't understand and I really wish we had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to talk to Madison, and I really wish we had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to talk to.
Speaker 3: Peter about.
Speaker 2: Why are you here when you're looking for a certain
Speaker 2: type of man who has certain values, certain standards, and
Speaker 2: there's nothing.
Speaker 3: Wrong with that. You should want what you want for yourself.
Speaker 2: But the confusing part comes in you're looking for him
Speaker 2: in a place where usually those type of men don't dwell,
Speaker 2: and as we have under as we understand, Peter is
Speaker 2: not that type of man for you, which is his
Speaker 2: parents and friends concern.
Speaker 3: And in trying to.
Speaker 2: Figure out the logical way of what could her possible
Speaker 2: motivation and reason be for being here, one of those
Speaker 2: is that she wants to experience the platform.
Speaker 3: The Bacheorette, the followers, whatever.
Speaker 2: And I just find it very coincidental that she has
Speaker 2: hired a manager slash pr person slash agent to represent her,
Speaker 2: which we know prior to the season being over with,
Speaker 2: because that person posted her on International Women's Day and
Speaker 2: the season was still going and now couldn't miss a
Speaker 2: beat to let everybody know, Hey, if you want dis
Speaker 2: on Madison, I represent her, which makes me question her
Speaker 2: motives this entire time. I'm sorry, well sorry, and I
Speaker 2: think Madison fans are going to come after me, but
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: You have to be logical about this situation.
Speaker 2: Hannah Ann told us she doesn't even have one, and
Speaker 2: this girl's been modeling for years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Rachel, you are talking to a real follower here.
Speaker 4: Because there are certain timelines that we have to adhere
Speaker 4: to as the lead, and getting a representation at that
Speaker 4: point doesn't add up. I, for one, don't even have
Speaker 4: an agent still, and I've been baucherette, I mean two
Speaker 4: years ago, and I still just do most things myself.
Speaker 4: So you know, Rachel, as you just mentioned, you're probably
Speaker 4: gonna get a lot of backlash for that. But that's
Speaker 4: not the case people. I mean, Rachel's calling it like
Speaker 4: it is, and it's a very strange scenario that we
Speaker 4: find ourselves in after this whole Bachelor world, but it
Speaker 4: doesn't add up. It's very interesting to me given the
Speaker 4: timeline of everything, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: That aside.
Speaker 4: I like, my main takeaway from tonight is we watched
Speaker 4: last night's episode and we watched Madison send herself home
Speaker 4: two days before the finale because, as she said, their
Speaker 4: lifestyles and their morals.
Speaker 1: Don't line up, they don't match, so she removes herself.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's one thing good for her in that moment,
Speaker 4: for standing up for what she believes in, what she
Speaker 4: thinks is right and logical. Yes, nothing since then has
Speaker 4: changed though, besides Peter is still saying he loves her.
Speaker 4: You know, guess Chris Harrison flew out to Auburn to
Speaker 4: tell her that Peter was engaged and then ended this
Speaker 4: engagement because he still loves Madison. But regardless, like their
Speaker 4: lifestyles are still the same, he was still engaged. She
Speaker 4: had an issue with him being intimate with women in
Speaker 4: the fantasy suite.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think.
Speaker 4: Happened during those couple months when he was engaged. He
Speaker 4: had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.
Speaker 4: Nothing has changed.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how I understand her feeling. Even
Speaker 2: if I don't agree with it, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: I don't under understand it. I understand the feeling of
Speaker 2: how difficult that is to accept a proposal from someone
Speaker 2: that you know that just was intimate with other a
Speaker 2: woman or other women when we don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: So that's fine that that's what you believe in. What
Speaker 3: people have been so.
Speaker 2: Proud of her and praising her for is that she
Speaker 2: has these morals and these convictions and she holds true
Speaker 2: to them. Now, you know, as you were saying, Becca,
Speaker 2: he got down on one knee and said he wanted
Speaker 2: to give his whole heart and spend the rest of
Speaker 2: his life with another woman, has spent time, you know,
Speaker 2: cultivating that relationship, and then breaks it off and says he, well,
Speaker 2: he didn't tell her he wanted her, but you knew
Speaker 2: that he break broke it off. And I think Chris
Speaker 2: Harrison said it was because of her, So she did know.
Speaker 2: And you're so easily willing to take him back. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, the same people who were praising her for that.
Speaker 2: How can you still hold true that, Oh she knows
Speaker 2: what she wants and she deserves better. But yes, she
Speaker 2: goes running back to him. There's just so many contradictions.
Speaker 2: It's so confusing that I understand why his family has
Speaker 2: their concerns, which brings us to a whole nother topic.
Speaker 2: They had that camera on poor Barb with I don't
Speaker 2: even think she knew the whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh she did not know.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I felt so bad for her.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a person who cannot control my facial expressions. Becca,
Speaker 2: you say you can't control your hands, you don't know
Speaker 2: what to do with them, A make sure. I cannot
Speaker 2: control my facial expression, so I just wear it all
Speaker 2: on my face.
Speaker 3: And this was a this is a mother.
Speaker 2: You guys, you may not agree with her, but this
Speaker 2: is a mother who is concerned about the well being
Speaker 2: and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody
Speaker 2: who loves her son unconditionally, and she had that with
Speaker 2: Hannah Ann. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off.
Speaker 4: Yes, Rachel, as you said, it is a mother and
Speaker 4: I am not a mom, but I can only imagine
Speaker 4: that protectiveness that mother bar instinct that you have for
Speaker 4: a children a child, and we saw that with her
Speaker 4: and all she wanted she's been saying this the entire time,
Speaker 4: is that she wants somebody to love her son the
Speaker 4: same way she fell in love with her husband. And
Speaker 4: she saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that
Speaker 4: I'm glad that she brought up. And maybe this is
Speaker 4: the moment where she should have been cut off after
Speaker 4: she said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,
Speaker 4: when she came in after having this great moment with
Speaker 4: Hannah Ann, Madison came in.
Speaker 1: She made them wait for three hours.
Speaker 4: She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for making you wait.
Speaker 4: This is already a long process as it is like
Speaker 4: they've been waiting to see their son. They've only seen
Speaker 4: them for one day in the span of a couple months,
Speaker 4: and so that in itself, I'm sure is frustrating. But
Speaker 4: and Barb dis closed this very briefly today to us
Speaker 4: and on the TV. But when when she had that
Speaker 4: moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she asked
Speaker 4: Madison do you love my son?
Speaker 1: And Madison in that moment said no.
Speaker 4: So as a mom, I can only put myself in
Speaker 4: that position and say, well, I have one woman here
Speaker 4: who is all in, wholeheartedly ready to give herself to
Speaker 4: my son, and one who, at this moment in time,
Speaker 4: you know he's ready to get engaged tomorrow, is saying no,
Speaker 4: I don't love your son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course she's gonna have questions.
Speaker 4: Of course she's gonna call that out to Peter and
Speaker 4: say maybe she's.
Speaker 1: Not the one for you.
Speaker 4: And now, granted, people, I know that there's a lot
Speaker 4: that we don't see. You know, we're trying to make
Speaker 4: a show in a two hour period once a week.
Speaker 4: There's so much that goes down. But going off of
Speaker 4: what we know, that is alarming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, let's break this down. What you said.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times people say to us you're
Speaker 2: not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well, you're welcome,
Speaker 2: you guys, to bar because she told you what you
Speaker 2: didn't see. So just imagine last night. You hear Barb
Speaker 2: express her feelings, and you see her crying, and you
Speaker 2: see her saying but she's just not into you, She's
Speaker 2: not here for you, and you're wondering how in the
Speaker 2: world is she saying that. Then people go on social
Speaker 2: media and are all in Barb's comments and they're saying
Speaker 2: all these things to her. So Barb feels the need
Speaker 2: to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her or not,
Speaker 2: she felt the need to speak her truth. So what
Speaker 2: did she do the first opportunity she was given the
Speaker 2: chance to do it?
Speaker 3: She spoke her truth and she explained.
Speaker 2: To you, guys that in three hours, or she waited
Speaker 2: three hours for Madison to come speak to her in
Speaker 2: Madison did not even want to come in and meet
Speaker 2: the parents. How would that make you feel as a
Speaker 2: family member, possibly meeting the fiance of your son, the
Speaker 2: potential fiance of your son.
Speaker 3: The girl doesn't even want to walk in and meet you.
Speaker 2: Then she does come in and meet you, and that's
Speaker 2: only because your son begged her to come in. How
Speaker 2: do you accept somebody into your family when that's how
Speaker 2: you're starting off. Then when she does come inside, she
Speaker 2: doesn't even have the courtesy to apologize for the three
Speaker 2: hours she kept the family waiting. So you're already setting
Speaker 2: this scene and this mood for the family to come
Speaker 2: and talk to you. Then, Barbaraville that when she did
Speaker 2: talk to her, as Becca stated, she said love. I
Speaker 2: don't love him when asked, and she said she wouldn't
Speaker 2: accept a proposal. So of course Barb is crying knowing
Speaker 2: that her son is madly in love with a girl
Speaker 2: who does not reciprocate those feelings, and that is the
Speaker 2: emotion that you're seeing come from Barb. So before you
Speaker 2: judge her and you jump on her, yes, I both
Speaker 2: agree she took it just a little too far and
Speaker 2: aired a little.
Speaker 3: Too much information.
Speaker 2: But in that moment, in what she said, that she
Speaker 2: is giving you the background that you guys so desperately
Speaker 2: beg for, and you're still holding it against her because
Speaker 2: we've seen social media today and you guys are ripping Barb.
Speaker 2: That is what I just like, don't think it's fair
Speaker 2: and I don't understand how when she said that and
Speaker 2: she put it back, the ball back in Madison and Pete's,
Speaker 2: Pete's Peter's court.
Speaker 3: What was Madison's response? Nothing.
Speaker 2: She never addressed what Barb said. She never addressed saying
Speaker 2: she wasn't in love with Peter. She never address saying
Speaker 2: she wouldn't accept a proposal, that she made them wait
Speaker 2: for three hours, that she didn't want to meet them.
Speaker 2: She skirted over that and simply responded by saying, I
Speaker 2: have always been myself this entire time. And what did
Speaker 2: the audience do?
Speaker 1: Clap?
Speaker 4: I will say this, though you know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: that went down tonight that was painful to watch and
Speaker 4: to take in William struggling with the lack of conversation
Speaker 4: between I wanted.
Speaker 2: Her to explain why she did that, and she did
Speaker 2: and she just said I've been myself, and you guys clapped.
Speaker 4: But she did say one thing that I will say
Speaker 4: warranted a good response from the audience, as she said,
Speaker 4: it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too, and
Speaker 4: it's fifty to fifty, which I will back her up
Speaker 4: in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty
Speaker 4: to fifty. I appreciate that, but still there was that
Speaker 4: lack of communication, There was that lack of conversation. She
Speaker 4: didn't address the conversation with Barb that Barb.
Speaker 1: Had brought up.
Speaker 4: Also to the moment when we saw Madison go back
Speaker 4: to LA and see Peter for the first time. I
Speaker 4: mean clearly he was shocked, as he said he thought
Speaker 4: it was Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too,
Speaker 4: when they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that
Speaker 4: conversation either other than love and Rachel you said the
Speaker 4: best when we were talking to Hannah Ann.
Speaker 1: Is that, uh, it's a room.
Speaker 4: Ever for the most part, veterination is made up of
Speaker 4: hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the
Speaker 4: lead and these people on TV to find love.
Speaker 1: That's the base of it.
Speaker 4: And yes Peter is expressing that to Madison, but there
Speaker 4: needs to be.
Speaker 6: More than that.
Speaker 1: There needs to be more.
Speaker 4: Addressed than just I love you, I ended my engagement
Speaker 4: for you, like all of the reasons why you guys
Speaker 4: ended in the first place are still there, and that
Speaker 4: needs to be brought up because me, as a viewer,
Speaker 4: and I've said this all season, is that I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm missing so much.
Speaker 2: I guess my thing is is the whole it's fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty, and that's right, But are you giving fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty because that's not what we're seeing. And then also,
Speaker 2: it's my journey. Okay, that's true. It is your journey,
Speaker 2: and nobody's taking that away from you. But we're trying
Speaker 2: to understand the contradictions that are within your journey. We're
Speaker 2: trying to understand where you are with Peter and where
Speaker 2: your heart is. Because I'll be honest, I didn't see
Speaker 2: it on that stage tonight. I don't doubt that Peter
Speaker 2: and Madison have love for each other. I one hundred
Speaker 2: percent agree with that. But what I saw on that
Speaker 2: stage tonight. All I saw was that it's not if
Speaker 2: this is gonna end, it's whend it's going to end.
Speaker 2: The odds are always against you already. And if you
Speaker 2: don't believe what I'm saying or what Becca saying, can
Speaker 2: we talk about the voice of reason in the.
Speaker 3: Family, Pete Senior. When Pete Senior.
Speaker 2: Spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of a relationship,
Speaker 2: that's when it's light and it's fun, and you're so
Speaker 2: like two getdy kids getting to know each other, and
Speaker 2: that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.
Speaker 2: It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposites attract,
Speaker 2: but your morals and your values have to be the same,
Speaker 2: and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're
Speaker 2: not on the same level.
Speaker 3: So this relationship is kind of doomed.
Speaker 2: If Madison is really that strong into her convictions, which
Speaker 2: no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly want
Speaker 2: the type of man that Peter is, which again that's
Speaker 2: not a problem for him, that's who he is.
Speaker 3: It just won't work. It's just you.
Speaker 2: Can want to see them together and want love for
Speaker 2: Peter and want love for Madison, but the two of
Speaker 2: them together, it.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if I thought, it.
Speaker 2: Was because they were different in their lifestyles and their values. Now,
Speaker 2: add on top that the family does not like her,
Speaker 2: The family does not get along with her, and she
Speaker 2: went back at Barb, not faulting her for defending herself
Speaker 2: at all. I probably would have done the same thing,
Speaker 2: but on Live TV went back and forth. It is
Speaker 2: clear that there is tension there, that they don't get along.
Speaker 2: Peter's very into his family, and there's just no way
Speaker 2: that Madison herself is going to want to be a
Speaker 2: part of a family that's not into her and that
Speaker 2: doesn't accept her, which Barb just said in front of
Speaker 2: millions and people.
Speaker 3: In front of the whole world, like it's doomed.
Speaker 2: And it's sad to say that because we wanted Peter
Speaker 2: to find love, but it's doomed.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And one thing too, like playing into feelings and emotions.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm I really try to watch body language,
Speaker 4: and tonight we saw it on stage. But even last night,
Speaker 4: in the date that Peter and Madison had together when
Speaker 4: he's trying to convince her to come meet his parents,
Speaker 4: there's the physicality there is lacking, like she there. If
Speaker 4: people please will go back and watch that moment from yesterday,
Speaker 4: there's moments where Peter tries to go in to kiss her,
Speaker 4: to hold her, and she's like recoiling from him.
Speaker 1: And then tonight you get.
Speaker 4: On stage and I remember, you know, granted, my situation
Speaker 4: with Garrett a couple of years ago during My Family
Speaker 4: is completely different from this.
Speaker 1: I cannot compare the two. But in this moment, for
Speaker 1: the most part.
Speaker 4: This should be you're finally in public together, you can
Speaker 4: finally say to there's names in front of everyone. There
Speaker 4: should be some sort of excitement and giddiness. And like,
Speaker 4: I couldn't keep my hands off Garrett and the couches
Speaker 4: seem to get smaller. Hear my ear on the stage.
Speaker 4: But when Peter and Madison were sitting on it together,
Speaker 4: it's like they weren't touching whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It was like they I don't know, it just felt
Speaker 1: off to me. It felt very strange, and it's all off.
Speaker 4: And of course, as you said, yes there was tension
Speaker 4: with the family, and Barb had mentioned with his friends too,
Speaker 4: But still, if you still want to make this real
Speaker 4: relationship work, you still have to have some sort of
Speaker 4: communication internally with each other. And if they want to
Speaker 4: make this work, like Peter, have her back, like grab
Speaker 4: or hold her close, like, do something to reassure her
Speaker 4: in this moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just wasn't there.
Speaker 2: You should have taken up for her, Like I don't
Speaker 2: agree with going up against your family like that, and
Speaker 2: I definitely believe in respect, but I felt like he,
Speaker 2: like you said, he should have butted in a bit
Speaker 2: and defended her a little bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and we were watching it and in that moment,
Speaker 4: I'm like, Peter, stand up for her, have her back,
Speaker 4: say something. You know, we saw him be like, well, Dad,
Speaker 4: say something. But it's like, if that was my man,
Speaker 4: I would want him to have my back regardless. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I would want to feel safe and secure in
Speaker 4: that moment, because it's terrifying. You're on You're in front
Speaker 4: of a live audience on live TV with millions of
Speaker 4: people watching. Yeah, like you need to be together if
Speaker 4: that's what you're trying to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you hit the knell on the head because
Speaker 2: you knew how your family felt about her before we
Speaker 2: did tonight, and so you should have been prepared to
Speaker 2: fight for your relationship just a little bit more. If
Speaker 2: you choose Madison, then stand behind and behind it and
Speaker 2: fight for it and fight for what you guys have.
Speaker 3: And we didn't see that from them tonight. I just
Speaker 3: this whole thing. It's it was more.
Speaker 2: We've been calling this season a shit show, but tonight
Speaker 2: it really was the culmination of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was way way crazier than I expected.
Speaker 2: My advice to Peter and Madison at this point would
Speaker 2: just be like, you just need to go away from
Speaker 2: the public and find yourselves, because I do know what
Speaker 2: it's like for everybody to have an opinion about your relationship,
Speaker 2: and sorry, this is what we do on this podcast.
Speaker 2: We have opinions about what we just saw, so I
Speaker 2: get that, but you need to go away from the spotlight,
Speaker 2: do you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having
Speaker 2: their own opinion.
Speaker 3: Even his family.
Speaker 2: Madison and Peter needed to find who they are away
Speaker 2: from everybody else. I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I hope she focuses on their relationship and if you're
Speaker 2: going to come back to Peter and knowing what you're
Speaker 2: walking into because she kind of got into it with
Speaker 2: the mom before, then I hope that you give it
Speaker 2: your all and I hope that's your focus more than.
Speaker 3: Whatever your new career is.
Speaker 4: I want to end it on a high note, though,
Speaker 4: because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff
Speaker 4: go down, and tonight that was no exception.
Speaker 1: But we did.
Speaker 4: Introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which was
Speaker 4: our upcoming back short Claire Crawley, which you know we
Speaker 4: didn't get to see too much of her. I'm kind
Speaker 4: of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able to
Speaker 4: meet a couple of her guys that she will soon
Speaker 4: be dating. But she is going to be a brother
Speaker 4: of fresh air, I think for us and she, I
Speaker 4: really like not to bring up anyone's past, but I
Speaker 4: liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with
Speaker 4: Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying
Speaker 4: what she had to say, because we know going into
Speaker 4: this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to
Speaker 4: call out guys. I think she's going to nip the
Speaker 4: bullshit in the butt when she can, and it's going
Speaker 4: to be such a different vibe from what we've seen
Speaker 4: in Peter's season, I think in the couple seasons past.
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed.
Speaker 2: I feel like the franchise has spoken, they heard you,
Speaker 2: Bacher Nation.
Speaker 3: They're wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through.
Speaker 2: This phase of leads and I think we're a little
Speaker 2: over it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.
Speaker 2: So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to
Speaker 2: the table, because it's going to be something different.
Speaker 3: So I hope you guys are excited as.
Speaker 2: We are to watch it, and you know we'll be
Speaker 2: covering it here on Bats Are Happy.
Speaker 4: I also really hope that Claire finds love and there's
Speaker 4: an engagement, because I want to see what a lasting
Speaker 4: ring looks like, because I feel like they've been so
Speaker 4: brief we can barely even see them these.
Speaker 1: Past couple of seas days. That's well said. We need
Speaker 1: more of the lane. We gotta put in La to work, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So let's put a pin in it because we've
Speaker 2: got more for you, guys. You're welcome coming up on Friday,
Speaker 2: We've got part two of our Hannah and interview because.
Speaker 3: We just couldn't get enough of her.
Speaker 2: We had to keep the conversation going and we know
Speaker 2: you guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,
Speaker 2: So Friday we'll be back.
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