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Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Hour listeners. I hope you enjoyed these throwback

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Speaker 1: episodes of Happy Hour. We'll be back with new episodes

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start with this one,

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Speaker 2: so first of all, I just have to announce that

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Speaker 2: we are coming to you live from backstage at.

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Speaker 3: After the final rows. I mean, how do we.

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Speaker 2: Sum this up into one word? Becka, I mean, barbs

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Speaker 2: what I've been saying, But I'm a speechless you guys,

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Speaker 2: we have so much to get into, so much to

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Speaker 2: talk about, Bacher Nation, Bacher Happy Hour listeners.

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Speaker 3: I know you were upset that we didn't have.

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Speaker 2: A podcast yesterday, but my god, was it not worth

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Speaker 2: the wait? Were we not all waiting for what was

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Speaker 2: going to happen tonight? We have a special guest with

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Speaker 2: us in the studio today. But first I just have

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Speaker 2: to say that I'm so happy that I am not

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Speaker 2: doing this alone like I had to at Women's tell All,

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Speaker 2: I have my wonderful co host with me Becca Koper

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Speaker 2: is in the building.

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Speaker 3: Back.

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Speaker 1: I'm back.

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Speaker 4: I am here off the road, taking a break from

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Speaker 4: the tour for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And Rachel, as you said, I mean, obviously we.

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Speaker 4: Could have I've had a podcast today, but there was

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Speaker 4: so much that was left inside that we had to

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Speaker 4: see go down. So now you're getting the full gist

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Speaker 4: of everything that we saw in the past two days,

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Speaker 4: which I mean, this entire season was a crazy wild ride,

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Speaker 4: and this evening just really I think summed everything that

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Speaker 4: we've seen in the past ten weeks up in one night.

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Speaker 4: And my mind is I mean, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of shaking right now. My mind is still a

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Speaker 4: little bit blown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's so great is, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: we didn't get a lot of answers tonight. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we heard a lot of talking, and there was

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Speaker 2: who I'm so thankful we get to talk to tonight. A

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Speaker 2: lot of circular talking. And I think that what's going

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Speaker 2: to be so great about our podcast tonight is that

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Speaker 2: we're going to unravel exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get down to it.

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Speaker 2: We're going to ask the hard questions that weren't asked

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Speaker 2: those answers.

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Speaker 3: That we know Bacher Nation needs.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk to some people tonight, but

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Speaker 2: I am so excited that we are talking wit.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a drumm roll. We need a

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Speaker 1: drum roll for the person.

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Speaker 2: Only one person one tonight, and that person is Hannah Ann.

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Speaker 3: Hannah Ann, welcome to Ba's for Happy Hour.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys having me.

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Speaker 4: Well we I mean I needed personally first say, when

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Speaker 4: I first met you five seconds ago, you often and

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Speaker 4: I was hugging you, and I felt like I wanted

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Speaker 4: to just take you under my wing because throughout this

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Speaker 4: entire journey that I've had for years, there's probably only

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Speaker 4: start by saying, yes, we're so excited to have you.

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Speaker 4: We can't wait to dive in and get your side

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Speaker 4: of everything.

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Speaker 1: But the way you handle things when.

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Speaker 4: Peter ended things and even tonight on stage, it was

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Speaker 4: with so much grace and dignity. But I looked up

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Speaker 1: And as Rachel said, I really do feel like.

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Speaker 4: You are the winner of tonight because you handled it

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Speaker 4: with so much dignity.

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Speaker 4: And I think I speak on behalf of all of

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Speaker 4: Thank you for putting your heart and everything, your love

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Speaker 4: life on the line. You know, it's a weird it's

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Speaker 5: I was thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

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Speaker 2: And I like the whole time that we were watching

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Speaker 3: Kept like chatting like two little girls.

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Speaker 2: And Becca kept saying that she understood you and what

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Speaker 2: so thank you so much for doing our podcast first

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Speaker 3: Can stop after that.

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Speaker 2: Because no one has talked to you, and then the

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Speaker 2: one way and then we do not. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the things that we did not get the answer to,

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Speaker 2: even with you talking and standing up for yourself, we

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Speaker 2: did not understand how it got to where it did,

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Speaker 2: and we're so help hoping to get those answers tonight.

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Speaker 2: So I really want to get into it because I

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Speaker 2: feel like you have been unfairly judged, and I'll even

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: I first time we talked to Peter and I saw

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Speaker 3: And he said, no, she's not, and he was like

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Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, we got it. She's going

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Speaker 2: No. But I feel like one one theme in y'all

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Speaker 2: you got a lot of heat for it as well,

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Speaker 2: But tonight you put all that to rest. So let's

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Speaker 2: Champagne gay, Let's just not well yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So the first night, you know, getting the first impression,

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Speaker 5: Of girls around, and I wanted you.

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Speaker 6: Know, I was excited to see Peter.

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Speaker 7: You know, we film all night long, hours and hours

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Speaker 5: I'm like, of course I want to go see him again.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I've been waiting to like speak with him,

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Speaker 7: and I'm here for purpose. My words have a purpose

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Speaker 7: and meaning behind them, and I I was excited to

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Speaker 7: we even have a connection. You know, I enjoyed spending

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Speaker 7: if we had that connection, and if I didn't ever

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Speaker 2: You know, weren't you worried about being that girl, that

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Speaker 3: You were going to get the first impression of usk? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So does that not cross your mind at all?

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Speaker 2: Because I know at one point you said, I'm not

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Speaker 7: Right right, And I think in the beginning I came

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Speaker 7: and enjoyed the entire process, even if meant, you know,

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Speaker 4: Well, and I will say because we did sit down

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Speaker 4: stole you so many times?

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Speaker 1: And he did. He was all for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he said he was wanting to talk to me

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Speaker 1: Yea, okay, so he liked it. So clearly it was

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was like, who's this crazy girl

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Speaker 7: I know it might seem like I was pressing myself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it were. It did, It clearly did. And then

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Speaker 1: This whole champagne gait.

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Speaker 4: Which was champagne was such a common theme. I feel

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Speaker 4: like throughout what was your take? Because when we recapped

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Speaker 4: And I really truly was like, I don't think han

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Speaker 1: One was Kelsey's. I think she just saw it was

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Speaker 4: Up for her and Peter, So we didn't think you

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Speaker 4: did it maliciously. But what was your take when that

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Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, when all that went down, I wastely

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Speaker 6: Didn't know how to handle it.

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Speaker 7: And you know, in the end, me and Kelsey were

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Speaker 7: like we have to pull you know, we have to

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Speaker 6: And like learn to you know, be friends or at

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Speaker 7: So when all that went down, I was like, oh crap,

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Speaker 7: Like I've never had that conflict like this, Like how

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Speaker 7: I didn't steal your champagne, and like that came across

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Speaker 5: And it did.

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Speaker 3: She definitely cursed you out, which was wrong. She was

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Speaker 1: Can talk about.

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Speaker 2: Masco, Yes she is, and what happened.

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Speaker 1: I was actually gonna do you know the right word? Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fanasco.

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Speaker 3: Can't you say the right word fiasco?

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Speaker 5: Fiasco?

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Speaker 3: I was trying to give you.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to give you a chance.

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Speaker 5: You know what I like to say, fanasco.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you should trademark fanasco.

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Speaker 7: It's just like, and you know what's so funny is

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Speaker 5: I had no idea where that came from.

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Speaker 1: Look, your brain was shumbled that first week.

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Speaker 4: A lot went down. I would have been making them.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course we see you form friendships like you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she's a really sweet girl, you guys. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: She's very very just had to get past the champagne.

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Speaker 3: Tell she was cool.

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Speaker 5: I didn't steal your champagne. After that, she became like.

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Speaker 7: A really great friend, honestly, and you're still friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So let's jump. Let's just just move on. Well, you

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Speaker 2: We were We knew you were a front runner, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like a girl's dream, right, like, just to be able

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Speaker 3: That's a good problem to happen.

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Speaker 2: So I want to just just get right to Fantasy

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, where you're like, it's

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Speaker 3: What the face is.

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Speaker 2: So we learn in the Fantasy suite. We all know

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Speaker 2: And in this Fantasy this week, you guys all stay together, right,

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Speaker 3: But you learn about Madison. You learn her thoughts.

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Speaker 2: About Fantasy sueet week, which at that point she had

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Speaker 2: And then it became this.

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Speaker 3: Whole ultimatum thing. Was it an ultimatum?

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Speaker 1: Was it not?

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you? Was it an ultimatum?

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Speaker 6: Was it an ultimatum?

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Speaker 7: You know, for me, me and Madison are just two

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Speaker 6: Know, the conversations that she was wanting to have with Peter.

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Speaker 7: I was just wanting to focus on me and him

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Speaker 6: Think Madison was doing what was best for her, But that's.

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Speaker 3: Not an ultimate that's not the definition of an.

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Speaker 2: Ultimatum is like if you do this, then this, Yes,

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Speaker 2: It's like, doesn't matter your motive behind because it's not

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Speaker 7: No, but nobody's a judged her for that. I never

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Speaker 5: Yes, because I didn't want to be involved in it.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to have these conversations with anyone, you know,

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Speaker 3: You close with her in the house?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we I was, Yeah, I was close with her.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to know did she talk because we didn't

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Speaker 7: I think when we sat down, we you know, had

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Speaker 5: You know, I gave that look because I was kind

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Speaker 3: So you hadn't heard it before?

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Speaker 7: No, I was thinking in my I knew, you know,

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Speaker 6: But I was thinking that they might have had that

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Speaker 7: But my face is kind of like, oh gosh, I

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Speaker 5: And if we meet each other and the end.

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Speaker 2: It's an uncomfortable week period, no matter what your values are.

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Speaker 2: It's just uncomfortable knowing while I'm sitting here something else

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Speaker 2: I have both been there on both sides of it.

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Speaker 4: I just want to know you went first, and obviously

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Speaker 7: No, Because I think Peter and Madison hold different lifestyles

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Speaker 7: So I think it's lifestyles and how you see life

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Speaker 2: So it's so interesting that you say that, because, like

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, you say you knew that they had

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Speaker 3: We had no idea they had different lifestyles. But obviously

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Speaker 2: So Madison made a point during Fantasy Sweet Week where

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Speaker 3: A really hard time. Is that something that you saw

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we.

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Speaker 3: Didn't see that, and what and what did you see?

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Speaker 7: your day to day basis of your hobbies and like

449
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,520
Speaker 7: your schedule and how you live your life.

450
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 6: So I think that was trying.

451
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,840
Speaker 7: I think at that point that was coming very apparent

452
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 7: to her, and I think that that's what she was

453
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 7: struggling with, along with just the stress of fantasy fantasy

454
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,320
Speaker 7: see week, which is stressful for anyone.

455
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,280
Speaker 4: I do want to get to the whole lifestyle thing

456
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,800
Speaker 4: in a bit because it leads me into some questions

457
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 4: like after you and Peter were already together, so can

458
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 4: we fast forward? Yeah, because I want to get to

459
00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 4: the juicy, the juicy part everyone. So the last week

460
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,679
Speaker 4: you met the family, they fell in love with you.

461
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 1: Madison at the family, it wasn't this, It wasn't the same.

462
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 4: And that you know, I don't want to talk about

463
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 4: Madison too too much because she's not here. I want

464
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 4: to focus on you and your time with Peter.

465
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 1: So you get to that last.

466
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 4: Week and you would absolutely then no idea that Madison

467
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:22,640
Speaker 4: had left early.

468
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: Correct, no idea.

469
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 4: So when he told you, because we've seen the proposal,

470
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 4: he's standing there, and we also didn't know if you

471
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 4: were going to show up at first. Yeah, you know,

472
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 4: you're kind of making a sway, So you get to

473
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 4: that moment and he's in the middle of this speech

474
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 4: to you where it should be about you, guys, and

475
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 4: he goes, Madison left two days ago. And in that moment,

476
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys caught it, but when

477
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 4: he said Madison, his tone switched a little bit and

478
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,959
Speaker 4: all he says is is that all he said? I

479
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 4: want to know, was he just like she left a

480
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,880
Speaker 4: couple of days ago, and then goes on.

481
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 1: To all these great things about you.

482
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it was completely downplayd didn't give me the

483
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 7: courtesy or respect to have a sit down conversation.

484
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 5: Hey, this this is what's been going on this week.

485
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 3: This is where my.

486
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 7: Headspace is at. Let's talk this through. Didn't owe me that,

487
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 7: just told me that very quickly and downplayed it, and

488
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 7: then immediately went to but my heart choes is you

489
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 7: and your love of my life. But I don't want

490
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,120
Speaker 7: to spend forever with you.

491
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,479
Speaker 2: Did you get an inkling that kind of what we

492
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: saw happen post engagement was going to happen that night.

493
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 2: Because we never usually see someone say I don't know

494
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: if I want to show up right. Usually, when you

495
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: get to that point, that person is ready to go

496
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,479
Speaker 2: there whether they're going to accept a proposal and they

497
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: have no idea. You were struggling before the engagement. Why

498
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: was that because we never really got those answers.

499
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, my instincts were telling me I wasn't getting all

500
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 7: the information I needed to make a decision with Peter.

501
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: And that's intuition.

502
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 5: That's intuition, and that's instincts.

503
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 7: And should I have stayed on that bed in Australia, Absolutely,

504
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 7: But I wasn't going to give up on someone that

505
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 7: I loved and he the last words he told me

506
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 7: on our last chance date was that he was going

507
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 7: to make the decision that's best for both of us.

508
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 5: To trust him.

509
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 7: And when you're with someone, you know, this is a

510
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 7: wacky situation, but I'm taking it for what it is.

511
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 7: When you're with someone, you trust their word. Yeah, and

512
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 7: that's why I showed up. So I was going to

513
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 7: trust his words and follow through. And in the end,

514
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 7: I think he, you know, took advantage of the fact

515
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 7: that he conveniently left out very important information prior to

516
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 7: me making a commitment with them. And you know, as

517
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 7: the audience is watching this for the very first time,

518
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 7: I'm just like an average viewer, like, I'm just like

519
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 7: everyone else watching this, like a lot of information was left.

520
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: Out, which is why Bauchler happy our listeners. I need

521
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 4: to reiterate this because I was the same way when

522
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 4: I was in your position. This is Hannah Ann's first

523
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 4: time truly watching this all go down. Yes, she lived it,

524
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 4: but there's so many pieces to this entire puzzle that

525
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 4: she missed that she didn't see, and so she.

526
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 1: Was backstage watching it just like we all were watching it.

527
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 4: And so I'm sure in those moments and even now,

528
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot that you're still processing.

529
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question when you say that

530
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: there was a lot you did and see, are you

531
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: just talking about what happened post engagement or are you

532
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: also talking about what you watched the entire h this

533
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: whole journey, like all these weeks, this entire.

534
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 7: Season, entire season entirely explain that really it was Peter

535
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 7: wanted me to stay with him, and he downplayed his

536
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 7: feelings towards Madison completely, and even you know, after our breakup,

537
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 7: he couldn't really own up to it and reached out

538
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 7: to my parents and said that he you know, basically

539
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 7: that he was struggling processing all of his emotions.

540
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 6: That's what he left that and it was very vague.

541
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 7: He speaks half truths, and so while I'm watching this season,

542
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense,

543
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 7: Like this is why we broke up. Makes a whole

544
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 7: lot more sense because he couldn't really own up to

545
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 7: the fact of how he was truly feeling.

546
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: I want to know too.

547
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 4: So after okay, so after you guys did get engaged,

548
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: and he was very vague about oh, yeah, Madison left

549
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: two days ago, but you guys still ended up together.

550
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: You have days when you're together before I'm sure you

551
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: flew back to the US, before you know, you got

552
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: back to your normal life. Did he in those moments

553
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: ever disclose more of why she left? Did you guys

554
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 4: get into that conversation.

555
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: No.

556
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 7: He always whenever that conversation was brought up, it was

557
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 7: always like this is the past, and always made sure

558
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 7: to reassure me that I was his person, that I

559
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 7: was a loved life, and that he was always going

560
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 7: to choose me. So always kind of went in with

561
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 7: that reassurance to where I'm like, hmm, okay. But as

562
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 7: the season started to roll, things weren't quite adding up, and.

563
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: So let's break this down because I'm an evidenced, like logical,

564
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: I need to see how things timeline out. Yeah, so

565
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: we talked to Peter. So you get engaged somewhere around

566
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: a week before Thanksgiving around that time. Yeah, you're together

567
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: this whole time. We talked to Peter first week in January.

568
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: He tells us he is so happy. We talked to

569
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: his parents. As we can see, Barb cannot control her

570
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: emotions and she was happy at that time. So if

571
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't you, we would have already known.

572
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: She was not okay.

573
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: So the season has started, y'all are still together? When

574
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: did you have the conversation that we saw happen on

575
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: TV TV?

576
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 7: You know, like I said on stage, the beginning of

577
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 7: January was when he approached me that he needed to

578
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 7: speak with Hannah Brown. Yeah, to know about that, that's

579
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 7: the first red flag.

580
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: But start talk about that. He told you he needs

581
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: to talk to Hannah Brown.

582
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 7: Yes, he told me he needed to talk to Hannah

583
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 7: Brown because he needed closure?

584
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: Did he not get that?

585
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 7: I was trying to convince me that I should feel

586
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 7: comfortable with that, And I'm like, why did.

587
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 3: He need closure?

588
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 7: Why do you we we're engaged, right and just listen.

589
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 7: I wasn't on that group date with him and Hannah Brown.

590
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 7: I had not seen that episode of them all cozy

591
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 7: cozy up in a couch, him crying and.

592
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: Her possibly come back in the house.

593
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 7: I have no idea, like none, And so when he

594
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 7: brought that up, I'm like, wait, what, Like, I know

595
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 7: she came back in the season, but can you explain more?

596
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 7: And that was kind of when the episode was coming out,

597
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 7: and I'm like, why should.

598
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 5: I feel comfortable with this? This is something that I

599
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 5: feel like if you don't.

600
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 7: You don't seem like you're ready for any kind of commitment,

601
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 7: let alone an engagement. That was the first red flag

602
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 7: And I was questioning my own self because he was

603
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 7: trying to convince me that that is something that he needed,

604
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I just I don't quite feel.

605
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 5: Settled with that.

606
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: So did he get the closure?

607
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 6: No?

608
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: That was that was pretty close.

609
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 6: I think that was like a week before he broke up.

610
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: So he never reached out to her. He never tried

611
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: to contact her or.

612
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 4: Was Hannah Brown code for oh, let me maybe have

613
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: conversations with other women aka Madison where he was trying

614
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: to open up the door and like test the water

615
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: and see how you felt.

616
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 7: I probably, I don't quite know. That was so close

617
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 7: to us breaking up, and then there was that going on,

618
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 7: you know, and then there was the whole Oh the

619
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 7: season started and I have unresolved issues.

620
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 5: I'm like, what's unresolved issues? I mean, I'm by your side.

621
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: I gave you my word to be by your side.

622
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 7: And his unresolved issues were having to watch back the

623
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 7: show once again.

624
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 6: He completely downplayed it completely.

625
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 7: And you know, when I showed up to the breakup,

626
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 7: that was the very first time I heard him say

627
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 7: I can't give you my full heart. And I told

628
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 7: him before I even went out there, I said, hey,

629
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 7: like you're wanting to in things, give me a little

630
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 7: bit of a heads up. I'll be fine, trust me,

631
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 7: I'll cry, you know, just just give me a heads up.

632
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 7: And we actually had talked that morning that.

633
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 6: We weren't going to break up, that we were going

634
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 6: to work through it.

635
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: When was this February the February.

636
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 5: Very end of January, very end of January.

637
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: So y'all went all through December, Christmas, cool, just fine.

638
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: You never had any inkling that he was because you

639
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: during your breakup you kept saying I know you've been struggling,

640
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: and I'm here for you.

641
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: That that didn't start till January.

642
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: That did not start till January.

643
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I because one of the one of the

644
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: questions we had when we were watching was seeing how

645
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: happy he was to go get that ring for you, Nilane.

646
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: We were sitting with Nilane watching tonight, and he was

647
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: like the man I saw get that ring is not

648
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: the man that I see now, like just totally different

649
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: he was. He was ecstatic, approsing.

650
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 4: He was kissing ring, like showed us pictures of the

651
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: day of Peter kissing the ring he picked out.

652
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: So I think what we're all trying to understand, like

653
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Becca and I, but also just like our listener's maachter Nation,

654
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: is what happened. I get the Hannah Brown unresolved. I

655
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: don't know what that was. But with the with whatever

656
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: he said to you where you started, for you to

657
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: say when you were headed to la Hey, if we're

658
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: breaking up, let me know what was happening, because that's

659
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: not the first thing I would say.

660
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's just like what he told my

661
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 7: parents even after a breakup, he was having trouble processing

662
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 7: all of his emotions.

663
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 6: Peter does not own up completely to the full.

664
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 7: Truth, just kind of like on our engagement day, he

665
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 7: knew that if he told me the full extent of

666
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 7: where his heart and head was at that entire week,

667
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 7: he knew the outcome would have been different. He knew

668
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 7: that when we sat down had to open an honest conversation,

669
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 7: my instincts would picked up on that he was not.

670
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 6: Ready for a commitment.

671
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 5: I think that's not what he wanted.

672
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: I think that Peter that we've seen all season is

673
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: he's a hopeless romantic. He kind of he has his

674
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: head in the clouds where he I think he hypes

675
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: himself up to think he wants certain things, and it's

676
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: not until he can take a step back or start

677
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: rewatching this season where he sees the things that he

678
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: now can't have. And I will say, like when I

679
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: was still with Ari, because we were together for about

680
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: a month and a half, had three happy couples together,

681
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: like you guys, you know, I knew he had been

682
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: startling and he felt guilty for how things went down

683
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: with obviously Lauren, and I'm sure the other girls like

684
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: that's just a human instinct, but it wasn't.

685
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: You know. He started watching the season back.

686
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: Our season started when we were still together, and he

687
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: said he watched our season, our first episode, so the

688
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: first date, it's like, oh my gosh, I'm more in

689
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 4: love with you now than I ever was. And then

690
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: fast forward to the next week where I wasn't on

691
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: that date with him, and he started seeing other things.

692
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: And I think it's in that moment where you watch

693
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: it back as a man, because I don't think I

694
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: got this as a woman, but I'm trying to trying

695
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: to kind of process and put my feet where what

696
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: am I trying to say, put my feet in his shoes?

697
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: Whatever? Where He started.

698
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: Then watching it back and started seeing his first date

699
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: with Maddie and realizing the feelings were buried that he couldn't,

700
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: as you said, quite on up to and acknowledge.

701
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Guys are hard human beings to try.

702
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: The thing that I think makes me feel for you

703
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 4: is that we see.

704
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Him get down on one knee. Well did we see

705
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: him get down on one knee?

706
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: He did get down on one day.

707
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I think I missed the part.

708
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: I think I was so frazzled on it, but you're like,

709
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: you know, he he gets engaged to you, he proposes

710
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: to you, he promises you all these things without being

711
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: fully honest. And for everyone listening, for all the men

712
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: out there, if you think that you have to do

713
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: a certain thing because it's gonna make us feel better,

714
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: don't like be honest with us and give us the

715
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: respect and the courtesy to make our decisions. Maybe had

716
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: you known the full extent of everything, who knows what

717
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: had happened, you could have very easily said, you know,

718
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: I love you, I want to be with you, I

719
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: want to work through things. Maybe an engagement won't necessarily happen,

720
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: but every woman and man who's on the show too

721
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: deserves that respect.

722
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 6: And deserves the truth.

723
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: M hm.

724
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 7: And so I don't know exactly what happened, I mean,

725
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 7: nothing really surprises me by Peter. Watching back the season

726
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 7: has actually been really helpful for me because it's helped

727
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 7: me work through any unresolved feelings that had towards him,

728
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 7: because I'm able to see how he is consistently indecisive

729
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 7: and confusing, and who wants to be with that? And

730
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 7: that doesn't make me feel secure and being with him,

731
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 7: and so It's really helped me move forward because I

732
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 7: know I deserve more than just someone giving, you know,

733
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 7: than someone just half loving me. You know, I deserve someone,

734
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 7: you know, someone who's going to give me a hundred percent.

735
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 7: And I felt like me being so clear and not

736
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 7: playing mind games with him, that he would give me

737
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 7: that return.

738
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 5: But really he was just reckless with my heart.

739
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: Well, and he had said all season I want someone

740
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: to love me as much as I love them, and.

741
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: That was you.

742
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 4: You gave that to him, You did, you loved him

743
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: more of anything, And so I think he didn't. I

744
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: think he went into the season thinking one thing, thinking

745
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: it was going to be this magical, like beautiful, super easy,

746
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 4: great seemless love story, and that wasn't the case. And

747
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: I think he couldn't quite own up to what it

748
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: was he truly wants and needs in a partner. All Right,

749
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners Part two with the amazing Hannah Ann.

750
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: We'll be coming up this Friday.

751
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: But you know, we have to get into everything that

752
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: happened during the finale. So Rachel, we got to dive

753
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: in you and I need to talk back up.

754
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: We need to talk about what we saw. So hannah

755
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: An came out.

756
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: She was a boss.

757
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: She killed it.

758
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: She said her piece. She put Peter in his place.

759
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: He couldn't even defend himself. All he could say was,

760
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: you're right. So the second half of the episode we

761
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: deal with what happened with Madison. Chris Harrison goes to her.

762
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sum this up real quick, because we just

763
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: want to get to the meat of it. Chris Harrison

764
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: goes to see Madison. Madison says she's still into Peter,

765
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: and she goes out to fly with Peter. We don't

766
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: know the exact timeline. We don't know how much time was.

767
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was very quick. Seemed like she

768
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: hopped on a plane and flew out with Chris Harrison

769
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: to La. That's how it was presented to us. She

770
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: gets to La, Peter has no idea he's going to

771
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: see her. They see each other, they say they have this.

772
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: They have so much to talk about. Of course, in

773
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: true fashion this season, we see them talk about absolutely

774
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: nothing other than they have feelings for each other, and

775
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: then it cuts to Peter talking about Madison. We see

776
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: Madison come out, We see them sitting there there, seem.

777
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Happy, but they're not touching.

778
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: There seems to still be some space in between them,

779
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: and we see them once again kind of dance around

780
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: what it is that they are. We still are they

781
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: boyfriend girlfriend? We know they're not engaged, We obviously know

782
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: they're not married. And one thing we learned for sure

783
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: is that Barb and the rest of the family and

784
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: apparently the friends as.

785
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: Well, do not approve of their relationships. So Becca, that

786
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: sums up what we saw.

787
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Where do we even start to begin about it? I mean,

788
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: all of that being said, what was your take when

789
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: it came to watching what went down tonight?

790
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: Because I didn't expect any of this.

791
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: You could read a spoiler an article, have your own

792
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: preconceived notions, but you know it was gonna go down

793
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: like this.

794
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: No, And the best way I can describe it is

795
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: when we first sat down with Peter at the very

796
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: beginning of his season, he said he felt like there

797
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 4: was something new and crazy thrown his way every week,

798
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 4: and I feel like that didn't stop even through the finale,

799
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: And like, think of everything that went down tonight, people,

800
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: the main craziest part should have been that switcheroo and

801
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: the breakup.

802
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: With Hannah Ann and it wasn't.

803
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: It was everything that played out after and Rachel, as

804
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: you said, we don't know where Madison and Peter stand.

805
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: We don't know what is going on.

806
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 4: We don't even know if they're in a relationship, if

807
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: they're not in a relationship. Rachel is currently holding up

808
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: a picture of Madison right now, and I don't know

809
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: what that means.

810
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: But Laurie K Publications just couldn't help herself and posted

811
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: a picture of Madison her new client, about how she's

812
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: the epitome of a class act. So Madison already has

813
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: a manager slash pr person slash agent who couldn't wait

814
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: five seconds to post that this is her new client.

815
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Becca, I know that you're talking and I'm

816
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: so distracted, but it just so goes into something that

817
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: we talked about this season when it comes to we

818
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: couldn't understand and I really wish we had the opportunity

819
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: to talk to Madison, and I really wish we had

820
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: the opportunity to talk to.

821
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: Peter about.

822
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Why are you here when you're looking for a certain

823
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: type of man who has certain values, certain standards, and

824
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: there's nothing.

825
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: Wrong with that. You should want what you want for yourself.

826
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: But the confusing part comes in you're looking for him

827
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: in a place where usually those type of men don't dwell,

828
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: and as we have under as we understand, Peter is

829
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: not that type of man for you, which is his

830
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: parents and friends concern.

831
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: And in trying to.

832
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: Figure out the logical way of what could her possible

833
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: motivation and reason be for being here, one of those

834
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: is that she wants to experience the platform.

835
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: The Bacheorette, the followers, whatever.

836
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: And I just find it very coincidental that she has

837
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 2: hired a manager slash pr person slash agent to represent her,

838
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: which we know prior to the season being over with,

839
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: because that person posted her on International Women's Day and

840
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: the season was still going and now couldn't miss a

841
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: beat to let everybody know, Hey, if you want dis

842
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: on Madison, I represent her, which makes me question her

843
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: motives this entire time. I'm sorry, well sorry, and I

844
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: think Madison fans are going to come after me, but

845
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

846
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: You have to be logical about this situation.

847
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: Hannah Ann told us she doesn't even have one, and

848
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: this girl's been modeling for years.

849
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Rachel, you are talking to a real follower here.

850
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 4: Because there are certain timelines that we have to adhere

851
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: to as the lead, and getting a representation at that

852
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: point doesn't add up. I, for one, don't even have

853
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: an agent still, and I've been baucherette, I mean two

854
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: years ago, and I still just do most things myself.

855
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: So you know, Rachel, as you just mentioned, you're probably

856
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: gonna get a lot of backlash for that. But that's

857
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: not the case people. I mean, Rachel's calling it like

858
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: it is, and it's a very strange scenario that we

859
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: find ourselves in after this whole Bachelor world, but it

860
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: doesn't add up. It's very interesting to me given the

861
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: timeline of everything, it doesn't make sense.

862
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: That aside.

863
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 4: I like, my main takeaway from tonight is we watched

864
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: last night's episode and we watched Madison send herself home

865
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: two days before the finale because, as she said, their

866
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: lifestyles and their morals.

867
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Don't line up, they don't match, so she removes herself.

868
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: Okay, that's one thing good for her in that moment,

869
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: for standing up for what she believes in, what she

870
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 4: thinks is right and logical. Yes, nothing since then has

871
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: changed though, besides Peter is still saying he loves her.

872
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: You know, guess Chris Harrison flew out to Auburn to

873
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: tell her that Peter was engaged and then ended this

874
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: engagement because he still loves Madison. But regardless, like their

875
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: lifestyles are still the same, he was still engaged. She

876
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: had an issue with him being intimate with women in

877
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: the fantasy suite.

878
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think.

879
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: Happened during those couple months when he was engaged. He

880
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: had a woman he was engaged to being intimate with.

881
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: Nothing has changed.

882
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how I understand her feeling. Even

883
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: if I don't agree with it, it doesn't mean that

884
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't under understand it. I understand the feeling of

885
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: how difficult that is to accept a proposal from someone

886
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: that you know that just was intimate with other a

887
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: woman or other women when we don't know for sure.

888
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: So that's fine that that's what you believe in. What

889
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: people have been so.

890
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: Proud of her and praising her for is that she

891
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: has these morals and these convictions and she holds true

892
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: to them. Now, you know, as you were saying, Becca,

893
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: he got down on one knee and said he wanted

894
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: to give his whole heart and spend the rest of

895
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: his life with another woman, has spent time, you know,

896
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: cultivating that relationship, and then breaks it off and says he, well,

897
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: he didn't tell her he wanted her, but you knew

898
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: that he break broke it off. And I think Chris

899
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Harrison said it was because of her, So she did know.

900
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: And you're so easily willing to take him back. It's,

901
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, the same people who were praising her for that.

902
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: How can you still hold true that, Oh she knows

903
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: what she wants and she deserves better. But yes, she

904
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: goes running back to him. There's just so many contradictions.

905
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: It's so confusing that I understand why his family has

906
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: their concerns, which brings us to a whole nother topic.

907
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: They had that camera on poor Barb with I don't

908
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: even think she knew the whole time.

909
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh she did not know.

910
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I felt so bad for her.

911
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a person who cannot control my facial expressions. Becca,

912
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: you say you can't control your hands, you don't know

913
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: what to do with them, A make sure. I cannot

914
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: control my facial expression, so I just wear it all

915
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: on my face.

916
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 3: And this was a this is a mother.

917
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: You guys, you may not agree with her, but this

918
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: is a mother who is concerned about the well being

919
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: and the heart of her son, and she wants somebody

920
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: who loves her son unconditionally, and she had that with

921
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Hannah Ann. Yes, maybe her delivery was a little bit off.

922
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: Yes, Rachel, as you said, it is a mother and

923
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: I am not a mom, but I can only imagine

924
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: that protectiveness that mother bar instinct that you have for

925
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: a children a child, and we saw that with her

926
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 4: and all she wanted she's been saying this the entire time,

927
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: is that she wants somebody to love her son the

928
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: same way she fell in love with her husband. And

929
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: she saw that with Hannah Anne. Now one thing that

930
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: I'm glad that she brought up. And maybe this is

931
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 4: the moment where she should have been cut off after

932
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: she said this the first time, but she said, you know, Madison,

933
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: when she came in after having this great moment with

934
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: Hannah Ann, Madison came in.

935
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: She made them wait for three hours.

936
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: She didn't say sorry, you know, apologies for making you wait.

937
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: This is already a long process as it is like

938
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: they've been waiting to see their son. They've only seen

939
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: them for one day in the span of a couple months,

940
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: and so that in itself, I'm sure is frustrating. But

941
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: and Barb dis closed this very briefly today to us

942
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: and on the TV. But when when she had that

943
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: moment with Madison, and it wasn't aired, but she asked

944
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: Madison do you love my son?

945
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: And Madison in that moment said no.

946
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: So as a mom, I can only put myself in

947
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: that position and say, well, I have one woman here

948
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: who is all in, wholeheartedly ready to give herself to

949
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: my son, and one who, at this moment in time,

950
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: you know he's ready to get engaged tomorrow, is saying no,

951
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't love your son.

952
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course she's gonna have questions.

953
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 4: Of course she's gonna call that out to Peter and

954
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: say maybe she's.

955
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: Not the one for you.

956
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: And now, granted, people, I know that there's a lot

957
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 4: that we don't see. You know, we're trying to make

958
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: a show in a two hour period once a week.

959
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 4: There's so much that goes down. But going off of

960
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: what we know, that is alarming.

961
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, let's break this down. What you said.

962
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: So a lot of times people say to us you're

963
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: not taking into consideration what you didn't see. Well, you're welcome,

964
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: you guys, to bar because she told you what you

965
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: didn't see. So just imagine last night. You hear Barb

966
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: express her feelings, and you see her crying, and you

967
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: see her saying but she's just not into you, She's

968
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: not here for you, and you're wondering how in the

969
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: world is she saying that. Then people go on social

970
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: media and are all in Barb's comments and they're saying

971
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: all these things to her. So Barb feels the need

972
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: to defend herself. Okay, whether you agree with her or not,

973
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: she felt the need to speak her truth. So what

974
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: did she do the first opportunity she was given the

975
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: chance to do it?

976
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: She spoke her truth and she explained.

977
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: To you, guys that in three hours, or she waited

978
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: three hours for Madison to come speak to her in

979
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: Madison did not even want to come in and meet

980
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: the parents. How would that make you feel as a

981
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: family member, possibly meeting the fiance of your son, the

982
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: potential fiance of your son.

983
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: The girl doesn't even want to walk in and meet you.

984
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: Then she does come in and meet you, and that's

985
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: only because your son begged her to come in. How

986
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: do you accept somebody into your family when that's how

987
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: you're starting off. Then when she does come inside, she

988
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: doesn't even have the courtesy to apologize for the three

989
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: hours she kept the family waiting. So you're already setting

990
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: this scene and this mood for the family to come

991
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: and talk to you. Then, Barbaraville that when she did

992
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: talk to her, as Becca stated, she said love. I

993
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: don't love him when asked, and she said she wouldn't

994
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: accept a proposal. So of course Barb is crying knowing

995
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: that her son is madly in love with a girl

996
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: who does not reciprocate those feelings, and that is the

997
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: emotion that you're seeing come from Barb. So before you

998
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: judge her and you jump on her, yes, I both

999
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: agree she took it just a little too far and

1000
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: aired a little.

1001
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: Too much information.

1002
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: But in that moment, in what she said, that she

1003
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: is giving you the background that you guys so desperately

1004
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: beg for, and you're still holding it against her because

1005
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: we've seen social media today and you guys are ripping Barb.

1006
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: That is what I just like, don't think it's fair

1007
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: and I don't understand how when she said that and

1008
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: she put it back, the ball back in Madison and Pete's,

1009
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: Pete's Peter's court.

1010
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: What was Madison's response? Nothing.

1011
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: She never addressed what Barb said. She never addressed saying

1012
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: she wasn't in love with Peter. She never address saying

1013
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: she wouldn't accept a proposal, that she made them wait

1014
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: for three hours, that she didn't want to meet them.

1015
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: She skirted over that and simply responded by saying, I

1016
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: have always been myself this entire time. And what did

1017
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: the audience do?

1018
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Clap?

1019
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 4: I will say this, though you know, there's a lot

1020
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 4: that went down tonight that was painful to watch and

1021
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: to take in William struggling with the lack of conversation

1022
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: between I wanted.

1023
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: Her to explain why she did that, and she did

1024
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: and she just said I've been myself, and you guys clapped.

1025
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: But she did say one thing that I will say

1026
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: warranted a good response from the audience, as she said,

1027
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: it's not just Peter finding love, it's me too, and

1028
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: it's fifty to fifty, which I will back her up

1029
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 4: in that regard and say, yes, girlfriend, it is fifty

1030
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: to fifty. I appreciate that, but still there was that

1031
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: lack of communication, There was that lack of conversation. She

1032
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: didn't address the conversation with Barb that Barb.

1033
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Had brought up.

1034
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: Also to the moment when we saw Madison go back

1035
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: to LA and see Peter for the first time. I

1036
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: mean clearly he was shocked, as he said he thought

1037
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: it was Chris walking behind him. But in that moment too,

1038
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: when they reunited, there wasn't really any depth to that

1039
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: conversation either other than love and Rachel you said the

1040
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 4: best when we were talking to Hannah Ann.

1041
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: Is that, uh, it's a room.

1042
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: Ever for the most part, veterination is made up of

1043
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 4: hopeless romantics. It's a room of people who want the

1044
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: lead and these people on TV to find love.

1045
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: That's the base of it.

1046
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 4: And yes Peter is expressing that to Madison, but there

1047
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: needs to be.

1048
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: More than that.

1049
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: There needs to be more.

1050
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: Addressed than just I love you, I ended my engagement

1051
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: for you, like all of the reasons why you guys

1052
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 4: ended in the first place are still there, and that

1053
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: needs to be brought up because me, as a viewer,

1054
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: and I've said this all season, is that I feel

1055
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: like I'm missing so much.

1056
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 2: I guess my thing is is the whole it's fifty

1057
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: to fifty, and that's right, But are you giving fifty

1058
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: to fifty because that's not what we're seeing. And then also,

1059
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: it's my journey. Okay, that's true. It is your journey,

1060
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: and nobody's taking that away from you. But we're trying

1061
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: to understand the contradictions that are within your journey. We're

1062
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: trying to understand where you are with Peter and where

1063
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 2: your heart is. Because I'll be honest, I didn't see

1064
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: it on that stage tonight. I don't doubt that Peter

1065
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: and Madison have love for each other. I one hundred

1066
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: percent agree with that. But what I saw on that

1067
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: stage tonight. All I saw was that it's not if

1068
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: this is gonna end, it's whend it's going to end.

1069
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: The odds are always against you already. And if you

1070
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: don't believe what I'm saying or what Becca saying, can

1071
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: we talk about the voice of reason in the.

1072
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: Family, Pete Senior. When Pete Senior.

1073
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: Spoke, he said, when you're in the beginning of a relationship,

1074
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: that's when it's light and it's fun, and you're so

1075
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: like two getdy kids getting to know each other, and

1076
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: that has not been the case for Madison and Peter.

1077
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: It's been difficult. It's been hard. They're so opposites attract,

1078
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: but your morals and your values have to be the same,

1079
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: and that what Peter's family is saying is that they're

1080
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: not on the same level.

1081
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: So this relationship is kind of doomed.

1082
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: If Madison is really that strong into her convictions, which

1083
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: no one's faulting her for, then you can't possibly want

1084
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: the type of man that Peter is, which again that's

1085
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: not a problem for him, that's who he is.

1086
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: It just won't work. It's just you.

1087
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: Can want to see them together and want love for

1088
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Peter and want love for Madison, but the two of

1089
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: them together, it.

1090
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: Just doesn't work. And if you didn't think, if I thought, it.

1091
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: Was because they were different in their lifestyles and their values. Now,

1092
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: add on top that the family does not like her,

1093
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: The family does not get along with her, and she

1094
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: went back at Barb, not faulting her for defending herself

1095
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: at all. I probably would have done the same thing,

1096
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: but on Live TV went back and forth. It is

1097
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: clear that there is tension there, that they don't get along.

1098
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: Peter's very into his family, and there's just no way

1099
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: that Madison herself is going to want to be a

1100
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: part of a family that's not into her and that

1101
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: doesn't accept her, which Barb just said in front of

1102
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: millions and people.

1103
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: In front of the whole world, like it's doomed.

1104
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: And it's sad to say that because we wanted Peter

1105
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: to find love, but it's doomed.

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00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: And one thing too, like playing into feelings and emotions.

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00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: You know, I'm I really try to watch body language,

1109
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 4: and tonight we saw it on stage. But even last night,

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00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 4: in the date that Peter and Madison had together when

1111
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: he's trying to convince her to come meet his parents,

1112
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: there's the physicality there is lacking, like she there. If

1113
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: people please will go back and watch that moment from yesterday,

1114
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: there's moments where Peter tries to go in to kiss her,

1115
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 4: to hold her, and she's like recoiling from him.

1116
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: And then tonight you get.

1117
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: On stage and I remember, you know, granted, my situation

1118
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 4: with Garrett a couple of years ago during My Family

1119
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: is completely different from this.

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00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: I cannot compare the two. But in this moment, for

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00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: the most part.

1122
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: This should be you're finally in public together, you can

1123
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: finally say to there's names in front of everyone. There

1124
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: should be some sort of excitement and giddiness. And like,

1125
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 4: I couldn't keep my hands off Garrett and the couches

1126
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: seem to get smaller. Hear my ear on the stage.

1127
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 4: But when Peter and Madison were sitting on it together,

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00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: it's like they weren't touching whatsoever.

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00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: It was like they I don't know, it just felt

1130
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: off to me. It felt very strange, and it's all off.

1131
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: And of course, as you said, yes there was tension

1132
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 4: with the family, and Barb had mentioned with his friends too,

1133
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: But still, if you still want to make this real

1134
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: relationship work, you still have to have some sort of

1135
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 4: communication internally with each other. And if they want to

1136
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 4: make this work, like Peter, have her back, like grab

1137
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: or hold her close, like, do something to reassure her

1138
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: in this moment.

1139
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just wasn't there.

1140
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: You should have taken up for her, Like I don't

1141
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: agree with going up against your family like that, and

1142
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: I definitely believe in respect, but I felt like he,

1143
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: like you said, he should have butted in a bit

1144
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: and defended her a little bit more. Yeah.

1145
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: Well, and we were watching it and in that moment,

1146
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, Peter, stand up for her, have her back,

1147
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: say something. You know, we saw him be like, well, Dad,

1148
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 4: say something. But it's like, if that was my man,

1149
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: I would want him to have my back regardless. Yeah,

1150
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: And I would want to feel safe and secure in

1151
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: that moment, because it's terrifying. You're on You're in front

1152
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 4: of a live audience on live TV with millions of

1153
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: people watching. Yeah, like you need to be together if

1154
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: that's what you're trying to be.

1155
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you hit the knell on the head because

1156
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: you knew how your family felt about her before we

1157
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: did tonight, and so you should have been prepared to

1158
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: fight for your relationship just a little bit more. If

1159
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: you choose Madison, then stand behind and behind it and

1160
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: fight for it and fight for what you guys have.

1161
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: And we didn't see that from them tonight. I just

1162
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 3: this whole thing. It's it was more.

1163
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: We've been calling this season a shit show, but tonight

1164
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: it really was the culmination of that.

1165
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it was way way crazier than I expected.

1166
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: My advice to Peter and Madison at this point would

1167
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: just be like, you just need to go away from

1168
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: the public and find yourselves, because I do know what

1169
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: it's like for everybody to have an opinion about your relationship,

1170
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: and sorry, this is what we do on this podcast.

1171
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: We have opinions about what we just saw, so I

1172
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: get that, but you need to go away from the spotlight,

1173
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: do you and figure yourselves out without anybody else having

1174
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: their own opinion.

1175
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: Even his family.

1176
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: Madison and Peter needed to find who they are away

1177
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: from everybody else. I'm not quite sure what's going to happen.

1178
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: I hope she focuses on their relationship and if you're

1179
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: going to come back to Peter and knowing what you're

1180
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: walking into because she kind of got into it with

1181
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: the mom before, then I hope that you give it

1182
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: your all and I hope that's your focus more than.

1183
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: Whatever your new career is.

1184
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 4: I want to end it on a high note, though,

1185
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 4: because we've this entire season, we've seen so much stuff

1186
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: go down, and tonight that was no exception.

1187
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: But we did.

1188
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 4: Introduce one other badass lady to the stage, which was

1189
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: our upcoming back short Claire Crawley, which you know we

1190
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: didn't get to see too much of her. I'm kind

1191
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: of bummed because I was hoping she'd be able to

1192
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 4: meet a couple of her guys that she will soon

1193
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 4: be dating. But she is going to be a brother

1194
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 4: of fresh air, I think for us and she, I

1195
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: really like not to bring up anyone's past, but I

1196
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: liked the scene that Chris pulled up of her with

1197
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 4: Juan Pablo and putting him in his place and saying

1198
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 4: what she had to say, because we know going into

1199
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: this upcoming season she's not going to be afraid to

1200
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: call out guys. I think she's going to nip the

1201
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: bullshit in the butt when she can, and it's going

1202
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: to be such a different vibe from what we've seen

1203
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 4: in Peter's season, I think in the couple seasons past.

1204
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited and looking forward to Claire agreed.

1205
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: I feel like the franchise has spoken, they heard you,

1206
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Bacher Nation.

1207
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: They're wiping the slate clean. I think we've gone through.

1208
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: This phase of leads and I think we're a little

1209
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: over it at this point with the outcomes that we've received.

1210
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: So it'll be nice to see what Claire brings to

1211
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: the table, because it's going to be something different.

1212
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: So I hope you guys are excited as.

1213
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: We are to watch it, and you know we'll be

1214
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: covering it here on Bats Are Happy.

1215
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 4: I also really hope that Claire finds love and there's

1216
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 4: an engagement, because I want to see what a lasting

1217
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: ring looks like, because I feel like they've been so

1218
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 4: brief we can barely even see them these.

1219
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Past couple of seas days. That's well said. We need

1220
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: more of the lane. We gotta put in La to work, all.

1221
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: Right, So let's put a pin in it because we've

1222
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: got more for you, guys. You're welcome coming up on Friday,

1223
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: We've got part two of our Hannah and interview because.

1224
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: We just couldn't get enough of her.

1225
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: We had to keep the conversation going and we know

1226
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: you guys want to hear a whole lot more from her,

1227
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: So Friday we'll be back.

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00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,160
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1229
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,920
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1230
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,799
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1231
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1232
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,919
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1233
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