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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: the podcast that tells you about people who some random

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Speaker 1: girl thinks are cool. I'm that random girl. I tell

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Speaker 1: you about people that I think you're cool. I'm youan

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Speaker 1: host mar here till join and joining me this week,

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Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, is maybe my favorite podcaster, Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 1: But Jamie, don't tell anyone I said that. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that no one's like, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: this is going to be publicly accessible, right, No, No,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not that would be This is a private episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's private. Just totally not a creepy concept. Um, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for that could get So that's kind

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Speaker 1: of a fun theory to spread though, that there's all

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Speaker 1: these private episodes that you've recorded of your own show

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Speaker 1: that just they're like, no, sorry, it's it's just intellable.

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Speaker 1: You'll never know, Like, this one's about my friend John.

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Speaker 1: He's really cool, but all this ship is a crime,

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Speaker 1: so I can't tell you. You You just write episodes of

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Speaker 1: the show about the person who is guesting, and then

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, thank you so much. It's just to

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Speaker 1: gas them up, you know, yeah, totally and then it's

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Speaker 1: slipped into weird fake facts and see if they notice

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Speaker 1: as as always joining us playing the voice of God?

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Speaker 1: Is Sophie lichterman Um or maybe you're the producer. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure, maybe both. How are you, Sophie. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. That's how. So if you have you met

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Speaker 1: my friend Jamie before? Are you all acquainted? If you

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Speaker 1: all want any awards together? Oh? Uh? Did we perhaps

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Speaker 1: say Webby? Did we win one of those Jamie Webby? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Are we plugging our own Webby show? You know? Jamie

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Speaker 1: bold of Us bold of Us is my best friend.

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Speaker 1: Well you told me to gass you all up. So wait,

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Speaker 1: that's true. It's true. I do to be fair. I

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Speaker 1: do feel amazing right now. Uh, Sophie, we've how long

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Speaker 1: we've known each other for like what like five years

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Speaker 1: now or something like that. We've done life a decade

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Speaker 1: of beautiful friendship, and we've we've put out like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bunch of plots, so much content. The best

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Speaker 1: friendships are founded on a foundation of trust and digital content. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about sixteen thousand times a day. It's true,

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Speaker 1: It's true, and I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any

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Speaker 1: other way, genuinely, like, well, I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: relate to people besides making things with them at this point.

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Speaker 1: Hang out with your friends and you're like, do you

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Speaker 1: want to start a band? I don't know how can

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Speaker 1: we artistically? Uh? Weep this friendship. I have the same

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Speaker 1: thing sometimes where I'm like, hey, we get along really well.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we um find a reason to give ourselves deadlines?

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Speaker 1: And no wonder no one wants to be friends with

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Speaker 1: me for very long to explain a lot. Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: this is how I know that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: very good friends. I'm so, I'm so excited to be

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Speaker 1: on the show. It's so awesome. So this is so

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Speaker 1: my three closest friends. Where did I meet them on

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Speaker 1: the job? Alright? Alright, So I have a question for you.

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Speaker 1: What if I told you about an exciting opportunity wherein

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Speaker 1: you have the chance to spend your whole life working

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Speaker 1: twelve to fourteen hour days, maybe starting from around the

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Speaker 1: time you're six years old, to make other people rich,

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Speaker 1: and in exchange, you get almost enough food to eat,

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Speaker 1: but not quite so sometimes you slip into outright starvation

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Speaker 1: with with that word sound good for you? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that you've really got to pay your time

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Speaker 1: and am I? Well, actually, if am I, I guess

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Speaker 1: what I would like to ask, is am I being

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Speaker 1: paid in exposure or like? Is it a little bit

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Speaker 1: of food and some exposure? No, it's it's um, it's

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Speaker 1: just starvation wages, probably working in a factory. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I was gonna say, you're describing the career

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Speaker 1: fair enough. Well there's some munization in this story too,

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Speaker 1: so that oh, I'm excited, all right, So what about

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Speaker 1: a few super rich people should control everything politically and

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Speaker 1: economically that I am not nuts about. I have to say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like those things, at least the second thing,

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Speaker 1: then you might like today's protagonist, because today we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about the anarchist revolution that got nestled

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Speaker 1: into the Spanish Civil War when millions of people determined, no,

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Speaker 1: built a viable alternative while fighting off a fascist and

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Speaker 1: being like I love starving and I hate billionaires. I

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Speaker 1: am not familiar with this story. I'm very stoked. Cool. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: this is okay. This is one of the like stickiest

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Speaker 1: this because a short version, you might say the Spanish

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Speaker 1: Civil Wars, when all the ideologies of the twentieth century

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Speaker 1: didn't help. Um. And to to finish the analogy, it

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Speaker 1: would be like if one of the battle bots was fascism,

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Speaker 1: and a little known conflict that historians like to call

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Speaker 1: World War two. But we're not going to talk about

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Speaker 1: World War two today, um, besides a little bit unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: uh for fucking once. Instead we're talking about Spanish War,

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Speaker 1: which had an awful lot of cool people and spoilers.

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Speaker 1: They don't pull it off in the end, but along

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Speaker 1: the way they do a lot of cool stuff. Originally,

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Speaker 1: I had this whole thing where I was going to

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Speaker 1: like deep dive into like one of the particular groups,

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Speaker 1: especially some of the women organizers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately this subject is so big that I I

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to like dive in as close. This is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a big picture of you. That's

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Speaker 1: a good problem to have. I kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: we could have done like a month of this. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, So you're not going anywhere for the

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Speaker 1: next two weeks, right, Jamie, you can stay on the

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Speaker 1: zoom call. No, It's all good. I I actually just

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Speaker 1: got some rice cakes from Vonds, so I might just

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Speaker 1: turn my video off every once in a while so

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Speaker 1: I can crunch it like a little mouse. But I'm

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Speaker 1: good to go. I could stay for weeks. Okay, great, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So okay. So being poor sucks universally across time and place,

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Speaker 1: including turn of the twentieth century Spain. It was largely

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Speaker 1: a peasant economy with only little bits of hints of industry,

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Speaker 1: to take place. Most of the poor in Spain are

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Speaker 1: rural poor, and it just fucking sucked. In Andalusia, where

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Speaker 1: of the gig the gig economy basically, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, fascinating, um,

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Speaker 1: West Coast from at least I don't. Whenever I see

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Speaker 1: I guess I went from tech worker to gig Funny,

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Speaker 1: here's how you live in San Francisco and you're just like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what is going on up there? It's terrifying. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: but the spoiled proletarians in the city. Unlike these people

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Speaker 1: you're if you're only going to make it to you know,

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Speaker 1: or thirty anyway, right, Like, what's the worst that can happen?

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Speaker 1: time at this point. It's basically the purge rules for

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Speaker 1: me at this point exactly. That's exciting. We should start

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Speaker 1: doing that. I see no downsides to this. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the thing about being poor and desperate. Is that

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Speaker 1: really ill equipped profit an Italian politician who didn't speak Spanish. No,

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Speaker 1: I love that little turn of phrase that always gets

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Speaker 1: A songs on YouTube, because it's all these American Republicans

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Speaker 1: being like, we're fucking socialists. Okay, it's like listen to

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. And and so after all of this,

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Speaker 1: I was this guy. He's like, that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: I still feel his name is Giuseppe what Finelli, gise Finelle.

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Speaker 1: I am still picturing him as the drummer and Chuck

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Speaker 1: drums in Chuckie Cheese is band. Can make me picture

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Speaker 1: a general strike in Barcelona, and and it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: the CNT the Socialist Union, they allied themselves to do

426
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Speaker 1: this general strike. And there's been a wave of strikes

427
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Speaker 1: going on because cans for workers were getting really fucking

428
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: bad because there was a flu and all the people

429
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: were dying, and except the bridge, the rich fucked off

430
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: to their estates and waited it all out, which is

431
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: some of the parallels are gonna be kind of heavy handed.

432
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: Some of the parallels to the monit what they're equivalent of,

433
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: like going to Mars or whatever. The fun we're all

434
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: going to the Denver Airport of this time and place.

435
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite little miniature strikes in here

436
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: is that there was a casket factory and the woodworkers

437
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: Union was like, we're going on strike. Fuck this because

438
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: people really needed caskets. So it was a very quick

439
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: strike and their demands were met right away. That is

440
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: um not to you know, belittle the intensity of that,

441
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: but that does sound like a very funny sketch. Yeah,

442
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: just a unionized casket disaster is so funny. Yeah, it's

443
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: the it's like the pre it's it lends itself to

444
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: the coffin flop extended universe. Wait, I don't know the coffin.

445
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: Oh is this the practical comedy of a coffin falls

446
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: out in the body? Yeah, there's it's a it's in.

447
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: I think you should leave with Tim Robinson where it's

448
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: like a clip show where the bottoms of coffins just break.

449
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: It's like structured like a prank show, and then the

450
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: corpses just go like it's I think you'd really like it.

451
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: It's really funny and yeah, so let's imagine that that's

452
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: how they did it. Instead of actually coffin flop, they

453
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: just they took like some rich people's caskets and made

454
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: the bottoms really weak. Let's pretend like that's how it happened. Okay,

455
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: I love you know, I don't love it, but it's

456
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: very funny. So the way that the general rural strikes

457
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: starts around this time is that eight workers at a

458
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: hydro electric company in Barcelona were laid off for political reasons.

459
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't find out exactly, but I think they were

460
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: laid off because they were organizers with the CN team.

461
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm not undercent sure. Within a week, not only had

462
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: the entire more or less the entire staff of that

463
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: place walked off the job, but so at eight percent

464
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Speaker 1: of the textile workers in Barcelona, which is a big

465
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Speaker 1: part of the industry, and then the rest of the

466
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: electrical workers in Barcelona followed. Within two weeks of the

467
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: industry of the entire region of Catalonia was shut down

468
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: by this strike. That's incredible. Yeah, we talk a lot

469
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: about it. Seems like the left talks a lot about

470
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: general strikes right now, and the general wisdom is that

471
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: you need to prepare for them for years, and I

472
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: think that's often the case, but sometimes they just happened,

473
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: but they just happened, particularly well when you've organized when

474
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: huge chunks of the industry are already organized into unions

475
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: right where it's like if you already have um autonomous

476
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Speaker 1: organizations inside federations, and as many as one in ten

477
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: people are completely on board that I mean in a

478
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: way that is the years of preparation totally. Yeah. And

479
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of these people that I am

480
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: reading are like third third generation anarchists, and and you

481
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: know sometimes where they're like in conflict with their parents

482
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: who are a little too conservative about like gender or

483
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: sex or something like that. You know. That's so cool.

484
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: I mean how many? I mean, unfortunately, I don't know.

485
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like one percentage of third generation American anarchists are there.

486
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: I know that they're out there, and I celebrate them,

487
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: but not enough. I don't personally. I only know second

488
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: generation anarchists personally, and a lot of the second generation

489
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: anarchists I know made their parents into anarchists. Oh that's

490
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: not sure. I have one friend who has both a

491
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: child and a mom who are both anarchists. Well, the

492
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: child is no longer a child, the child is a

493
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: grown up. Just anyway, that's excited. Okay, So so they

494
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: are out there, Yeah, but they're they're rarer. There will

495
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: be more, Yeah, a rare breed. And so when they

496
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: do have this general strike, they a one and much

497
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: more successful than Tragic Week. They won so well that

498
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: all of Spain passed an eight hour work day at

499
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Speaker 1: a federal level, which is the first country I think

500
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: in the world to do so. Like in what year

501
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: this happened? Okay, that's amazing. Yeah, because there's you know,

502
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: actually the very first episode of this show about Haymarket,

503
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: which is the fight for they had out worked in

504
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: the US and a lot of industries want it, but

505
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't one at a federal level, and it and

506
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: it still hasn't been one at a federal level. Here.

507
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Is that correct? No, I think it is federal here. Um,

508
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I no longer have my like memory notes that's the

509
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: word for memory. Uh. I believe that during all the

510
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: New Deal stuff we got more of like a federal like.

511
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: That's why he can get over time at most jobs

512
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: and things like that. There's like and then right, and

513
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: that's why, Um, there's so many uh weird workarounds to

514
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: having to pay people up time that have come up

515
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: since that makes sense, like the gig economy. Yeah, speaking

516
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: of the gig economy, here's some advertisers and we are

517
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: back and we are talking about winning the eight our

518
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: work day, and so the c nt I didn't. They're

519
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: fucking cool. And then the Russian Revolution happens, right, and

520
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: so they think to themselves like, okay, we should go

521
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: ally ourselves as Soviet Russia, until one of them actually

522
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: goes there. The Snarco Cinna CLIs goes and visits Soviet

523
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Russia and he comes back and he's like never mind,

524
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: never mind U. And the CNT IS like Nope, we're

525
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: not doing that. And but unfortunately it's not just all

526
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: like peace and love and happy strikes and stuff. The

527
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: bosses are scared and they're powerful, and that's a not

528
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: the best combination. So they start lashing out. They'll do

529
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: lockouts where anyone who's union affiliated will be just like

530
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: literally locked out of work. They'll fire union workers. They

531
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: worked with all these conservative unions to try and divide

532
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the labor movement, but it wasn't working. The anarchists were

533
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: still kicking their asses. So the government passes this law

534
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: called the Fugitive Law, which basically says like, like, cops

535
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: are kind of just like allowed to shoot anyone who's

536
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: sort of a fugitive. And when we say cops, were like,

537
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: and what do they mean when they say fugitive because

538
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: that feels like a pretty fluid turb too, ya. So

539
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: what they would do is that they would arrest people

540
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: and then say okay, you're free to go, and then

541
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: as soon as they would start walking away, they would

542
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: assassinate them. You are now a fugitive because you didn't

543
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: do what I said. Okay, got it, Jesus. And so

544
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: bosses start hiring assassins they're called the whole concept of

545
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: this is called a piece leismo, and they just start

546
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: murdering anarchists and republicans and socialists, and it happened to

547
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So the anarchists didn't like this,

548
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: it turns out, huh. So they started doing two things

549
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: about it. First, they set up defense committees and they

550
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: would arm workers for self defense, and seventeen years later

551
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: has become the malicious that hold back a fascist coup. Second,

552
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: good plant and payoff, Yeah, totally yeah. And second anarchist

553
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: guerrilla groups just start assassinating people right back, and boss's

554
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: heads of these conservative like fake unions, politicians and clergy,

555
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: anyone who's been organizing to kill their comrades they assassinate,

556
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: including the prime minister. I love how many prime ministers

557
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: are hitting the floor in this story. So this is

558
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: their third prime minister, not including the one that they

559
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: got to resign. This is the third that they've killed. Um,

560
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: they've got killed the spirit of the fourth one. And

561
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: so in twenty five years they take out three prime

562
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: ministers like that is nuts. Yeah, Well, because these prime

563
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: ministers kept criminalizing them and torturing them and murdering them

564
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: and so they were like, we don't. We prefer not to,

565
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: you know. And so the last one of these prime

566
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: ministers who gets got Eduardo Datto. He was being driven

567
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: around in front of Parliament. And then I suspect that

568
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the source I read had the plural of the following wrong.

569
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: But theoretically three anarchists roll up on one motorcycle. Um,

570
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted. The motorcycle have like pegs

571
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: like seventh grade. Probably one's on the handlebars. I like

572
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: that that there's just one person sitting and then there's

573
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: one on somebody's shoulders, and once another person's shoulders, like

574
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: a cheer period, like in a trench coat, like kids

575
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: in a trench coat. Three kids in a trench coat

576
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: with revolvers. The trench coat opens. Guess what, no more,

577
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Prime Minister. That sounds like a like a band cover,

578
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: like an album cover. For sure, that does sound like

579
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: a like a punk album from the lab. Yeah, it's

580
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: the vibe. So you know, it's also possible that they

581
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: showed up on three motorcycles. I'm not sure, but we

582
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: all know how it should have gone, so I don't

583
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: leave them. It was one. Yeah, motorcycles are expensive. This

584
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: is nine twenty or something. I don't actually have the

585
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: actual date written down. I yeah, I mean going middle

586
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: school rules on this one makes total sense to me.

587
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: So they also got into street fights and some back

588
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: and forth assassinations with this group called the carl Lists,

589
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: who were right wing monarchists, but they didn't like the

590
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: sitting king Alfonso. They were bitter about something from a

591
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: hundred years ago where some girl got the throne instead

592
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: of some boy named Carlos. So that's why they were

593
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: carl Lists. So a hundred years later is also a

594
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: middle school's style grudguate being held. Yeah, and the car

595
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: Lists are like a right wing mayor to the CNT

596
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: in some ways. They have youth groups and they have

597
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: a right wing labor union that is basically like the

598
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: boot liquors Union where everyone who's in it really likes

599
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the bosses and like kisses the boss's asses. Um, that's god, losers.

600
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: They're like, what if we made a whole new generation

601
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: fucking the loser. Yeah, it's the loser generation is the Carlists,

602
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and they're nowhere near as big as the CNT. They

603
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: have between a hundred and two hundred thousand members, which

604
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: is a lot, but it's nothing. It's like a tenth

605
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: or so of what the CNT has got it. And

606
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: so but in addition to assassinated prime ministers, the anarchists

607
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: did all kinds of other stuff. They set up these

608
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: like storefront cultural centers everywhere, which served as schools and

609
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: rec centers for working class youth. And here's a quote

610
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: from one participant, n Riquetta Rivera, describing such a place.

611
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: We're in a group called Soli Vita son in life

612
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: with boys and girls. We did theater pieces, gymnastics, went

613
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: on trips to the mountains, to the sea. It was

614
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: both a cultural and a recreational group. There was always

615
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: a little educational talk of some sort, and in that

616
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: way ideas got stirred up. They created a sense of

617
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: being compagnatos and compagnadas. True people went to union meetings

618
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: and the like, but relations within our group were more intimate.

619
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: The explana aation is more extensive. That's where we were

620
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: formed most deeply ideologically. And so, yeah, they're they're poor workers,

621
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: but they survive on bad pay by mutual aid and

622
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: coming together as a community. That makes me so happy.

623
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: That's so sweet, you know, I know, I'm like kind

624
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: of bitter. We didn't. We don't have this everywhere. Um,

625
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I know, it's like why don't we? I mean, I

626
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: know many reasons why, But like that, that is, anytime

627
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: you listen to it mutual aid testimonial, you're just like, oh, yeah,

628
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: let's drop fucking everything. Yeah, totally, and it It doesn't

629
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: whatever group is doing this mutual aid, you know, like

630
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: like yes, just create community and take care of each other.

631
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: That sounds great. I don't see what as a problem. Um.

632
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: And So the CNT was not a monolith, monolithic organization.

633
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: As a writer, Jorge Vlada said, it's leadership was not unified.

634
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: Members did not necessarily follower except decisions made made by

635
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: its leadership Council, and a variety of ideologies, strategies, and

636
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: tactics were pursued simultaneously. It was precisely this great diversity

637
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: of ideas and action that made the CNT so vibrant

638
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: and powerful. One can say there was not one CNT,

639
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: but several c nt s, And I like that. I

640
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: like that because I feel like decentralization is so often

641
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: like presented as a negative and as like a hindrance

642
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: to like advancing ideas and it's always nice too. Here's

643
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: someone sort of touting the clear advantages of that were

644
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: that's that's really cool. Well that's actually that's guess going

645
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: to be the core of what happens during the war

646
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: is a conflict about that idea. But that's for that's

647
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: for Wednesday out of the next three months of your

648
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: life that you're going to be on the SILM call.

649
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: So good because so that's today's Monday, and so we'll

650
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: be talking about Okay, well, well you just don't know

651
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: what days are. That's all this is going to be.

652
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: There will be no more Sorry, You'll tell me it's Wednesday,

653
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: and I'll have no way of knowing. Yeah, okay, but

654
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: this this isn't an AD transition. But do you know

655
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: what time it is? It's dictator time? What if it

656
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: AD just came in anyways, totally, I just never thought

657
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: that phrase would come out of your mouth. Yeah, I

658
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: honestly like regress to two thousand and six and peanut

659
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: butter jelly time. Gift of the banana is what came

660
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: to mind when you ask me what time gets. It's

661
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: not peanut butter jelly time. It's un fortunately dictator No,

662
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: it's time to get rid of the constitution. Okay, okay,

663
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: and in the Spain gets a dictator. For a while

664
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: before this they were doing the constitutional monarchy thing. They

665
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: keep the same King of fons and but he's like

666
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: his buddy Miguel Prima Rivera, like hey, can I be

667
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: the dictator? And the thing's like yeah, okay, I guess,

668
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: and so he becomes the dictator. Clearly, people who actually

669
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: study spansches or will be mad at me about Again,

670
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing not just quotes but events what I say. Yeah,

671
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: so he tried to nationalize a bunch of ships. He's

672
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: trying to get the economy back on track, basically, and

673
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: the non CNT labor unions, like the socialists and ship

674
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: they're willing to compromise and work with him. But the

675
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: CNT is the CNT, and they're like, no, we're not

676
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: gonna we're not gonna work with you. So he outlaws them.

677
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: But did I mention before that this has no impact

678
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: upon their recruiting Because it has no impact upon their recruiting.

679
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: This that's amazing. The outlaw labor union continues to be

680
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: the largest labor union. Um they the anarchists aren't like, oh, no,

681
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: it's illegal to be anarchists. I guess we'll just give up. Well,

682
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: because at that point, theoretically they're like, it sounds it's

683
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like they're not

684
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: quite too big to fail, but they're like too big

685
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: to fail a j sinned because they're so huge, right, Yeah,

686
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: I think that that's true, because yeah, there's yeah, it's

687
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: just so many of them. And at one point they

688
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: actually start the CNT starts moving more moderate during this,

689
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and a large chunk of them are like, maybe we

690
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: should uh get rid of drop the more anarchy side

691
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: of this and just be syndicalists and try and become legal.

692
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: But then instead the majority of them are like, no,

693
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: we're actually gonna become more committed to anarchism, and they

694
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: form like a subsect, the Iberian Anarchist Federation, the f

695
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: ai UM and the and what what what year are

696
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: we in issues? So this is I think that they

697
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: do this. I'm skipping through most of the twenties UM

698
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: and our dictator. He first he's trying to get shipped

699
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: done by taxing the rich, but the rich don't like

700
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: to be taxed, so instead he borrows money from the

701
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: public and instead Spank gets really bad inflation, which is

702
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: completely unfamiliar to the modern listener, getting inflation instead of

703
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: taxing the rich. Yeah, this sounds like it really sucked

704
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. And and so the other thing that

705
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: there's other players going on in a lot of this,

706
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: which is that Spain doesn't want to be Spain most people.

707
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: A lot of different areas like Catalonian Boss country in particular,

708
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of the different regions are like, no,

709
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: we're Catalonia, We're not Spain. Like funck this. And so

710
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: part of his whole dictator thing is that he outlaws

711
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: the Caddalan language from being spoken in church services. He

712
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: bans a bunch of the traditional dances. He just does

713
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the like kind of internal colonization dictator fucking nonsense, right,

714
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: just wiping out anything that isn't his. Yeah, yeah, but

715
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: he just he fox it all up. No one likes

716
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: him by get this guy, Yeah, we gotta get this guy. Yeah. Um,

717
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: the Great Depression hits, which does not help things. And

718
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: then so one day he goes to his generals and

719
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you'll have my back, right if anything happens.

720
00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: The generals are like h m hmm. I mean, I it' imagine.

721
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: Why do they actually indicate to him that they might

722
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: turn on him or are they just like I think

723
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: that they are, they just like playing like reality shout contestants,

724
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: where they're like, yeah, totally, I'm very loyal. Now I

725
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: can't remember. I actually wish I hadn't put in the

726
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: exact para. I wish i'd actually put in the quotes

727
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: of the paraphrasing in this. But they make it clear

728
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: to him that they do not have his back. If

729
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: anything happens, good for them, And so he's like, well,

730
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: I hear Paris is nice this time of year, and

731
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: so he quits, and he resigns, and he moves to Paris,

732
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: whereupon he dies like three months later of a combination

733
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: of diabetes in the flu. Good he shouldn't get to God,

734
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: what a bye? Okay? So he so he flees and

735
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: dies of of something. And as a side note, his

736
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: kid Jose Antonio three invents Spanish fascism uh by saying, hey,

737
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: what's s bade needs a fascist party? I think he's

738
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: part of starting it. He's not like the Soul founder,

739
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: but he's part of the founder of the Lanche. Yeah,

740
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I know, um, but fortunately, just to skip ahead, just

741
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: to get this guy's legacy out of the way. In

742
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, when they're trying to overthrow the Republic,

743
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: when the fascists are they they execute him. So oh

744
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: good the guy anyway, So okay, so we got we

745
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: got rid of him. That's an unfortunate legacy none the last.

746
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad they got his ass. But King Alfonso the

747
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: thirteenth he does not last much longer than his dictator.

748
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: And they're basically I think in one it might the

749
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: vote might have been in nineteen thirty but it might

750
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: be I only wrote half the notes. And here I

751
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: am admitting this in front of just you because this

752
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: is a private episode. But this is a private episode. Yeah,

753
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: this is Paywald and I'm the only member totally. And

754
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: so he has a hey do you all still want

755
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: a king vote that he puts out to everyone, and

756
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: I think he wins, but like so barely that he's

757
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: like this is bad, so he resigns. That is so

758
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's double embarrassing. But that's just so goofy,

759
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: especially because you're I feel like when when stuff like

760
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: that is issued, it's good when people vote their conscience, obviously,

761
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: but it's like, yeah, we know who is asking this question,

762
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: and do you look you look like a fool? You

763
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: look so self conscious it reminds me of Okay, allow

764
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: me to draw the worst parallel of all time. Um

765
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: so when beanie babies were on the decline in the

766
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: late nineteen nineties. Now, let me get into my area

767
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: of expertise. The person who invented beanie babies, who is

768
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: just like unbelievably bizarre. But he's like, he's a kind

769
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: of a million if not billionaire at this point. He

770
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: has so much money, but no one's buying beanie babies.

771
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: And so what he does is he announces that all

772
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: of the beanie babies are retired. They're all going to

773
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: go away, in hopes that this will restoke the marketing

774
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: people will want more beanie babies. Then, like just a

775
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: couple of months later, he issues an online poll that

776
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: you have to pay to participate in, much like taxpayers

777
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: have to pay to participate in their elections, where he says, guys,

778
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: should I bring beanie babies back? What do you think?

779
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: He still didn't. People were paying fifty cents to say no,

780
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: like it was just like, that is exactly what happens

781
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: to al Fons. Alfonso and Tie Warner should really sit

782
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: down in hell where they're at now. Well, I want

783
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: to see if the parallel with what's about to happen

784
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: with Alpha and so. Okay, so he you know, I

785
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: will say he did the one good thing a monarch

786
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: can do, which is quit us. But Ty Werner didn't quit.

787
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: He just got into real estate. Okay. Well, what Alfonso

788
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: did before he quit is he invented the modern porn industry.

789
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: Hold on, depending on how you look at it, you

790
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: can make the same case probably about other people. I'm

791
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: not sure. But he he was really really into porn,

792
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: and he had king level money, so he spent a

793
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: ton of his money commissioning porn, including all kinds of

794
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: stuff that was entirely hypocritical to the rest of his reign,

795
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: like priests and nuns and lesbians and all kinds of stuff. Yeah.

796
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there's any moral judgment like I,

797
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, sex workers hypocrisy. Yeah. Um, so anyway, I

798
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I beanie baby guys did the same thing.

799
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to projecture on that. But no, beanie

800
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: baby guy. A um, he was. He was chaotic, corny,

801
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: but I think in actually kind of a less cool way,

802
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: the real estate way. Yeah, And unfortunately I keep forgetting

803
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: because he's he's real old, but he is, he is

804
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: still alive and he is he's a billionaire. And you

805
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: know who else are billionaires who probably these advertisers, the

806
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: advertisers support the show. Yeah, it's just like it's just

807
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: like Bezos doing a personal ad. That's that's the sponsor.

808
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: You here now? Yeah, we are back. So there's no

809
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: more monarchy. And people are like, well, what do we do.

810
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: Let's have a republic. So they declared the Second Spanish Republic.

811
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: The first Spanish Republic was like a historical footnote. It

812
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: lasted about two years between eighteen seventy three and eighteen

813
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: seventy four. The second one last four times is long,

814
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: which is still not very impressive in the Grund scheme

815
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: of things. But they get a republic just better than

816
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: a monarchy, and it's super polarized and divided. People do

817
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: not get along on the left and the right. Again

818
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: totally unfamiliar. On the left, you've got republicans and you've

819
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: got socialists. Think like Bernie or AOC. And then you've

820
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: got a pretty small communist party that's loyal to the USSR,

821
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: and you've got Basking Caddalan and some other regional nationalists

822
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: whose main things they don't actually want to be in

823
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: Spain at all. And then you've got a huge anarchist

824
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: movement that isn't even fucking with government and they abstain

825
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: from voting. And is the anarchist movement what like size

826
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: are they at at this point? Have they blood any members?

827
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Are they still gaining? What's this is? So this is

828
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: one of their high points. So they're probably at around

829
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: the somewhere between seven fifty thousand and one point five

830
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: million people out of population of about twenty to twenty

831
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: three million at the time. Wow, that's incredible. And then

832
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: on the right you've got two different into monarchists. You've

833
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: got the ones who want Alfie the porn guy back,

834
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: and then the the ones who want carl because they're like,

835
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: when you know, when does Carlos is great great great grandkids,

836
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: when do they get to tell us all what to

837
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: do invest their political position? So embarrassing for them, bring

838
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's it's you know, I'm not in

839
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: favor of bringing the porn guy back because he represents

840
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: the monarchy. But at least they stand for something yet,

841
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, instead of like, we don't like that

842
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: a girl got the throne a hundred years ago. And

843
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: then you've got the Catholic Church, and they're the higher

844
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: ups of the church in particular, super conservative. The lay

845
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: priests start off less right wing, but then the way

846
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: that the left hates the priests and everything kind of

847
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: pushes them a little bit further to the right. Um.

848
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: And overall, the Catholic Church is like the main chunk

849
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: of the center right because the left is very anti

850
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: clerical as the way it gets described. And I'm always

851
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: kind of on the lookout for times that Catholics do

852
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: cool things, but this is not one of those times. Um.

853
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean I guess that. Yeah, if if you're Catholic,

854
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: you have to really cling to those ws because they

855
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: are few and far between, totally. Yeah, And it's usually

856
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: people who actually are going completely against the church, um yeah,

857
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: and okay. And then you've also got the fascists, the

858
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: actual fascist and they're a very small minority of the

859
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: right wing, unlike something like Italy or or Germany. Where

860
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: the fascist movement actually grew as a popular movement. The

861
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: fascists actually take control of Spain by invading basically, and

862
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: are they at this point are they actively identifying as

863
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: fascist or is there like a cute cutie pine name

864
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: for it. I think that I've read one historian that

865
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: claims that they actually the Falange, which is the Fascist Party,

866
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: was like never technically fascist because they weren't Selini. But

867
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: that same person was claiming that Hitler wasn't technically a

868
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: fascist because of because he wasn't Ussolini. But there the

869
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: interesting time just be splitting hairs. Yeah. Um, so the

870
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: left and the right hate each other and they're waiting

871
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: for a showdown, and sometimes they're not waiting. This is

872
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: not like loyal opposition time. This is polarized society time.

873
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: And at the very beginning, the republic the center left

874
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: is in power. It's mostly the socialists and the Republicans,

875
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: and they do all kinds of cool ship. They pass

876
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: suffrage for women, they allow divorce. They slowly start trying

877
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: to figure out land reform, just how to say, get

878
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: the arable land out of the hands of only a

879
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: few people and into the hands of the peasants, and

880
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: they pass some labor protections, they open secular schools, more

881
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: people are able to stay in school longer, so they're

882
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: they're cool. They and then they say, oh, yeah, colonization,

883
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: that's that's bad. We should let Morocco go, I guess.

884
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: But then they're getting around to that, they're claiming to

885
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: get around so that they then they realized it would

886
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: be politically inconvenient because it would upset France. God forbid

887
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: you upset France, so they don't free Morocco. Um, I

888
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: love to upset France. I know if they've been willing

889
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: to up some time I go to France, I upset France,

890
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think. I've only been twice, but

891
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: both times I don't think that they were thrilled I

892
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: was there. That's the kind of classic French move. Um. Yeah,

893
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: So they would have saved themselves in trouble if they

894
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: had let go of Morocco, although they would have really

895
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: saved themselves a trouble if they let go of Morocco

896
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: like thirty years earlier, because Morocco is actually where the

897
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: fascists later go to go hang out and prepare with

898
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: all their fascist stuff. But it is probably too late

899
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: at this point, but they don't let Morocco go. And

900
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the and then the Second Republic was super anti clerical,

901
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: which pushes the Catholics further to the right. Two the

902
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: right wing tries to stage a coup with the military.

903
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: Franco who's the guy who ends up the dictator at

904
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: the end of the story. He's invited to this coup

905
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I'm good. This sounds like y'all

906
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: are just going to fail and go to prisoner die

907
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 1: and wow, nice to get the evite to the coup, though, Yeah,

908
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I think he felt included, and then he used to

909
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: feel Yeah, it nice to feel like a part of

910
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: something larger than yourself. Um. Yeah, which you'll see what

911
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: he does to the people who invited him later. Um. Oh, So,

912
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: so it turns out that he's he's correct. The coup fails.

913
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: So then the c and T is like, well, let's

914
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: have a revolution, and so then I wish I had

915
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: more time to go into it. But they try to

916
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: have a revolution. They start like taking control of the

917
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: areas that they already live in. It's like like all

918
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: of the workers in a mining town will be like

919
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: they'll raise the red and black flag like the anarchist flag,

920
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: and then they'll be like, all right, we're it's like

921
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: um money python like king. We don't have a king,

922
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: We're an anarcho synocolist colony. Um. That's what they did.

923
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: The miners were like, thank you for putting it into

924
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: terms I understand genuinely. Yeah. I mean like that is

925
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: actually the widest representation of anarcho synocolism and pop culture.

926
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: That's so. So they were generally going for areas that

927
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: were majority working class, where they already had a fair

928
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: amount of support. Yeah, because they weren't. Because one of

929
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the whole things with anarchists in general is they're very

930
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: rarely like we're going to go kill the king and

931
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: take over instead anarchism. Like, we'll have to be like

932
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: we can make ourselves be anarchists, but we can't make

933
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: anyone else do it. So all we can do is

934
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: tell people they can't stop us. So they would take

935
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: over their own town and declare it anarchists, and then

936
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: the Republic's army would come in and put it down

937
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: and make them all go back to work. Um. Who

938
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: so uh. In three the revolution fails, thirty thousand of

939
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: them go to prison over this. Okay. Also in three,

940
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: the Socialists and Republicans start getting mad at each other

941
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand of them, Yeah, thirty thousand of them

942
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: go to jail and that it's that's that's you said,

943
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: that's so good. I didn't. Yeah, you said it's so

944
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: casually that I panicked and I was like, okay, thirty yeah,

945
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: I know you said that. I was like, that's the normal,

946
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: that's normal. That's that's that's cool. What so many people Margaret? Okay,

947
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: so just because their their political ideology had been outlawed,

948
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: or did they have to like find I mean they

949
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: committed crimes, they like tried to they tried to like

950
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: stop Spain being in charge of them. Sure, crimes were committed,

951
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: but what did they really do? Yeah, that's that is

952
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot um And I want to know more

953
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: about that uprising. It was like one of those things

954
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: where I like found it and I read a bit

955
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: about it, and then I was like, I actually don't

956
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: have time to go into this because I haven't even

957
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: gotten to the time that they collective as huge chunks

958
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: of Spain yet. Um. But so, also in thirty three,

959
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: the socialist and Republicans start getting mad at each other.

960
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: The coalition, the like left coalition, falls apart, and so

961
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: when new elections are had in ninety three, the anarchist

962
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: once again abstain, and then the center right takes power

963
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: in the center right immediately, let's free all of the

964
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: the fascist prisoners from their failed coup. I believe backhound.

965
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no. The fascists are left. No no,

966
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: no no. In the next election in February, the left

967
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: is like, hey, could we fucking stop fighting each other.

968
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: The fascists keep winning, and so they form something called

969
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: the Popular Front and they let all the fascists out

970
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: of the Yeah. When the right wing took power, they

971
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: let fascists out. Um okay. So the left is like,

972
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: let's form a popular Front. Let's all all of the

973
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: left parties just be one, will have one candidate, you know,

974
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: well one party. We're gonna win this thing. And they're like, hey, anarchists,

975
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: you want to vote for us. The anarchists like no,

976
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: and and they're like, well, let everyone out of prison.

977
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: And the anarchists are like so now, So they tell

978
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: the anarchists, if we win, will let the anarchists out

979
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: of prison. But the anarchists are kind of like they're

980
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: they can't they can't advocate voting and joining government because

981
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: it's like against the anarchist thing. They've presented a catch

982
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: twenty two and they fucking know it. So what they

983
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: did is they were like, we don't abstain um, we

984
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: don't not not not not Yeah, and they win the

985
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: popular front winds by like less than one per um,

986
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: and the Left is now back in power. And then

987
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: this is the most surprising thing of all that was

988
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: like their vote blue no matter who moments but kind

989
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: but imagine if the vote blue no matter who then

990
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: did the things they said they were going to do.

991
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: Oh okay, now I've lost my relation to this anecdote

992
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: because they let the prisoners out. Wow. They like, there'll

993
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: be like a thing where like the Marxist who suddenly

994
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: in charge of such and such region will like call

995
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, you have to let all the

996
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: prisoners out of the jail. And they're like wait really,

997
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, yeah, you have to let them

998
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: all go, and they and they all got out. Wow

999
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that I did not see that coming. That's wow. This

1000
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: really is a more positive shown again and so like

1001
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: I listened to it, but I'm like, oh, just he

1002
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: feeling that relief in real time, Like this is unfamiliar

1003
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: to me, Like just imagine how I feel. I keep

1004
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, okay, it's got to happened, right,

1005
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: it's an existential dread. Where is it? Where is it?

1006
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Then the markets like here's some hope. Yeah. Um. And

1007
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: so the right wing, of course, they're like, well, good show,

1008
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: old sport. We know when we're beat. We'll see you

1009
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: next time at the polls. Just kidding, uh, right wing ideology.

1010
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah no. Instead, they gather up their colonial army in

1011
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: Morocco and invade Spain. Oh and they say, shipped to

1012
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: the media like we would be perfectly happy to murder

1013
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: literally half the population of Spain if that's what it

1014
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: took to take power. Like Franco has a quote to

1015
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: the media. I again, I didn't write downward for word,

1016
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: but it is really close to that. And they've been

1017
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: planning this for years. They've been planning this coup for

1018
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: a long time. Even when they were the ones in power,

1019
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: they were planning a coup against their own government because

1020
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be in charge of a republic.

1021
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: They wanted to be in charge of a dictatorship because

1022
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: they're fascist and uh. And again it didn't grow up organically.

1023
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't like Italy or or Germany. They it was

1024
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: a takeover. And it shows that all of these military generals,

1025
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: these are all the colonial generals. They're all used to

1026
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: taking over other countries. So July nine was supposed to

1027
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: be a really amazing day in Spain. It was supposed

1028
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: to be the opening of the anti fascist Olympics because hold, oh,

1029
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna like this part. I think I'm getting I

1030
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: just even hearing that put butterflies in my stomach. It

1031
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: felt like falling in love. So people all over the

1032
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: world are like, well fuck Hitler, right, And so that

1033
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people were boycotting the German Olympics of

1034
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: x and so the left desides to throw their own

1035
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Olympics in Spain, and the USSR had like, it's like

1036
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: Soviet Olympics, but you had to be like a Soviet guy,

1037
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: and like you didn't have to be in Russia, but

1038
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: you had to be like a loyal Communist Party member

1039
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: or whatever to be in that. So those don't count

1040
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: barrier to entry. Yeah, so the people's Olympics were going

1041
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: to be for the center left, the authoritarian left, the

1042
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: anti authoritarian left, and the general we don't like Nazis

1043
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: very much. Crowd, not in not just people who were

1044
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: boycotting the German Olympics. They actually set their games to

1045
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: be a few days earlier so that if some people

1046
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go to both they could. UM because they

1047
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: wanted to present an alternative vision of what sports and

1048
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: competition could be. It was organized anti fascistically. Nations were competing,

1049
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: but you didn't have to be nation states. So for example,

1050
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: Morocco got to compete as Morocco and not Spain, Um, Catalonian,

1051
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: the boss country, et cetera. All got to be their

1052
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: own like regions and nations. Exiled Jews got to compete

1053
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: as basically the innation of Jews and exile. Um. Some

1054
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: people came representing their trade unions instead of their countries. Uh.

1055
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: The organizers offered, yeah, no, there's this whole book on

1056
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: I never heard of this, and I talked to James Stout,

1057
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: wrote a book about this, who has actually been on

1058
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: some other cools on podcasts. Um, yeah, we love James.

1059
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: And so they wrote to the u S and they

1060
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: were like, hey, you have a lot of black athletes,

1061
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: we will pay their way if money is a barrier

1062
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that like black people are represented in

1063
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: these and um. And it wasn't supposed to be about superiority,

1064
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: like who is the absolute best at everything, but instead

1065
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: fraternal competition between like equals and stuff. And they also

1066
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: added like what people say the Olympics should be. So

1067
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: these people took it seriously. And this wasn't even the

1068
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: anarchists actually didn't organize this. This was just like them,

1069
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: the leftist republican government or I actually don't think it

1070
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: was a necessary government sponsored um okay, but it was

1071
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: like a popularly supported saying by the left, Yes, including

1072
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the anarchists, but also including other people. I'm not trying

1073
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: to take credit for this one. As what I'm trying

1074
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: to say. Um. They also added chess, folk dancing, and

1075
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: music to the list of events. Now we're fucking talking.

1076
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: This is the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life.

1077
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: This is God, It's what I mean. I know I'm

1078
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 1: fully preaching to the choir, but it is still like

1079
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand twenty, to be anti Olympics

1080
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: is still so baffling and and was to me, you know,

1081
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: probably whenever five to seven years ago, like I didn't

1082
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: know what that meant. And it's still people are like, oh,

1083
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: you hate sports, you're not sporty, Well, don't watch and

1084
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: like that is still what all of my uncles think

1085
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're like, yeah, so you didn't get a

1086
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: sports yeah, instead of like, oh, this is the way

1087
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: that they just gentrify and destroy cities one after the other,

1088
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 1: like right, and like they're gonna they're gonna destroy where

1089
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: I live and could easily destroy where you live, like

1090
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: where you literally where we are eating this horrible Christmas

1091
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: meal right now could be gone thanks to an Olympic

1092
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: stadium that is not necessary. I just this sounds amazing. Yeah,

1093
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: it would have been, and it was going to happen

1094
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: on July. But did you just did you just bust?

1095
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: I did? And I feel guilty. I got so I

1096
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: and I know I that's on me for doubling down

1097
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: on being thrilled. Now, it's still a beautiful thing that

1098
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: people tried really hard to do, and it's really just

1099
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,479
Speaker 1: the reason it's like why we can't have nice things

1100
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: as nazis um because on it is supposed to happen

1101
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: on July nine, and on July seventeen, the fascist took

1102
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: over Spanish Morocco and then invaded mainland Spain. Well, isn't

1103
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: that just like them? Um Jesus Christ. And so the

1104
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: athletes fled the approach of the fascist except here's a

1105
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: beautiful part of it. Two hundred of them stayed and

1106
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: joined the workers malicious that fought back the coup. What okay,

1107
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: that's amazing. And the coach what happens to them? We'll

1108
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: get to that. Is there another twist coming? I mean,

1109
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: civil war does not end well for the anti fascists

1110
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: in the end. Um. Yeah. So the coach for the U.

1111
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: S team is a communist named Chick check In, and

1112
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: he he leaves to see his athletes safe home. I know,

1113
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: he's a great name, and he basically is like, all right,

1114
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: I can't stay in fight because I have to get

1115
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 1: all of my athletes home. So he gets them home,

1116
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: and then a year later he comes back and he

1117
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: joins the International Brigades and he dies in the fight.

1118
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, But that is very I mean, as far

1119
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: as those sorts of things go, that is very noble

1120
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: that he returned in the first place, and it was

1121
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: likely the autonomous power of the anarchist militias that allowed

1122
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: them to act quickly enough to stop the initial fascist coup. Basically,

1123
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: the defense committees were used to making decisions themselves, so

1124
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: they responded faster to crisis and they didn't have to

1125
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: wait for a chain of command, and in most places

1126
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: the initial coup was decided in like matters of hours.

1127
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: M whoever acted faster one that region of Spain basically

1128
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: um and then James Stoddoshi makes his argument also that

1129
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that the militias did really well

1130
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: as that the anarchists had this like culture of sports

1131
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: and athleticism which extended to women as well, and it

1132
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: was very much against the conservative culture at the time

1133
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: that women got to be involved in sports and athleticism.

1134
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: And so because women were involved, they had twice as

1135
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: many potential fighters and everyone was like ready to go.

1136
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because now I think of

1137
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: like working class sports being such an obvious thing, like

1138
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: of course working class sports, but then apparently a hundred

1139
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: years ago, a lot of times people were too busy,

1140
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: starving and working fifteen hour days. So sure, sure, I

1141
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: mean five years to live for no through no fault

1142
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: of your own. Okay, here's the weirdest twist. In Barcelona,

1143
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: two groups fought back the initial fascist coup successfully. One

1144
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: was the workers militias, mostly anarchist, and the other group

1145
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: was And I want you to guess, guess who's the

1146
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: least likely group to join the anarchists to fight the fascists.

1147
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: Fascists with slightly different opinions clothe the cops. No, no,

1148
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: that is fascists, not even socialist cops because they're part

1149
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: of the socialist government. Wait, unpacked that first, So I

1150
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: actually don't know of all what are the socialist cops

1151
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: up to in this case? They were, I mean in

1152
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: this case they specifically, like in general, they were running

1153
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: around being cops, right, like, you know, this is the

1154
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: same republic that like put down the various revolutions and

1155
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: things like that. Kay. But when the fascist came and invaded,

1156
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: the two groups that were just ready to go and

1157
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: fought them back were the cops and the anarchists. And

1158
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't like side by side. I think they had

1159
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: different areas of town. I think at different neighborhoods. They

1160
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: did this, but they did it together. Um, I can't

1161
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: get my head around this. But but but I have to,

1162
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: but I have no choice. Mean, it's kind of like

1163
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: watching like the January six thing right where the cops

1164
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: are the ones trying to stop the insurrection, right and

1165
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: in that moment, and if they were aligned with me

1166
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: this one, but then you're just like, but no, but no, Jamie,

1167
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. So that's the fun brain breaking

1168
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: thing about war and conflict makes really weird. You're like, well,

1169
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: they showed up and they are on our side, so

1170
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of ammunition you would imagine,

1171
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: Um god, Okay. So and then one of the things

1172
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: that happened in all of this, but in particular, and

1173
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: I think in the initial push, but throughout the entire

1174
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: Spanish Civil Wars, that the anarchists kept taking dumb risks

1175
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: because they were all such true believers that they would

1176
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: like go sacrifice themselves way too easily. Um, this is

1177
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: me and the Beanie Baby Wars. Yeah, I think so. Actually, Um,

1178
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: I think isn't the Beanie Baby War is just a

1179
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: parable about the Spanish Civil War? I mean it's kind

1180
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: of the endless war in a way. Okay, Um, so

1181
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: the fascist uprising did not work completely, so there was

1182
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: a They defeated the coup, but the fascists take a

1183
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: huge chunk of the middle of Spain. The only major

1184
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: city they get a Seville, which unfortunately helped them land

1185
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: troops because there's a port. And Franco gets called the

1186
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: leader of this coup, and in the end he was.

1187
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: But at the beginning he was just one of three leaders,

1188
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: and the most leadery of the leaders was this asshole

1189
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: named Jose sent Hero. I'm only calling an asshole because

1190
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: he was a fascist. I don't know anything about theim

1191
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: as a person. Well, actually you know that's not true.

1192
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot about him as okay. Anyway, still

1193
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: very generousive, you could make the clarification. So he had

1194
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 1: led the failed coup in two he had gone to prison.

1195
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: He's the one who sent the evite, I think, and

1196
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: he had been okay, so he set up the event.

1197
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 1: Definitely an asshole. Anyone's sending an evy, get over yourself.

1198
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: And he was an exile in Portugal because after he

1199
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: was arrested for the coup, he was let go by

1200
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: the when the right wing took control the government, and

1201
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: so when it's time to fly back and oversee the coup.

1202
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: He's told, hey, fly on this passenger plane and he's like, no,

1203
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: I want to fly with my buddy. He's a pilot,

1204
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: and he's there. Was like, really, okay, you can fly

1205
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: in the small plane there, and then he shows up

1206
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: with his giant trunk of clothes and his buddy, the

1207
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: pilot is like, that's too heavy. You can't fly with that,

1208
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: and he's like, you don't understand. I'm about to be

1209
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: in charge of all of Spain. I need really sick clothes.

1210
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: So he gets into the plane and they crash and

1211
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: he dies. So he like he kind of buddy hollied

1212
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: himself in a way, or hear me out, or so

1213
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: the other leader, Emilio Mola, he's in charge of the

1214
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: war in the north, where Franco is in charge from

1215
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: the south. Except one day seven, Emilio Mola his plane

1216
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 1: is flying in bad weather and whoops, it flies into

1217
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: a mountain and Emilia dies. So both of his buddies

1218
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: die in mysterious airplane accidents. It is probably a coincidence.

1219
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: It is also definitely he had also just said I'm

1220
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: willing to kill half of Spade. It interesting that is okay,

1221
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: so but it but it was definitely an accident. I'm

1222
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: choosing to see this as you know. Let's yeah, it's

1223
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: the clothes, it's it was the pressures of keeping up

1224
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: with fashion is what brought the plane down. Yeah, it was.

1225
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: It was the day the music died in a way, Um,

1226
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: but for fascism. And so this guy is kind of

1227
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: the big bopper of fascism. And I'm glad that there's

1228
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: no terrible song I have to hear about him for

1229
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: and over again. God, I'm sure. Yeah. I hopefully it

1230
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and if it does, it didn't catch on

1231
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: and we should all be grateful God. That is um okay,

1232
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 1: well I guess you know it could. That's a mysterious coincidence.

1233
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: But I have no further question. Gin Yeah, yeah, totally.

1234
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: So we're almost done for today, but I want to

1235
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: leave you on a hopeful note. Besides, of course, fascist

1236
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: dying in plane crashes, which is that, I was gonna say,

1237
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: the big bopper of fascism dying in a plane crash

1238
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: not the worst thing I've heard. Um. There was a

1239
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: part that before the fascist coup, the anarchists were like,

1240
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: there's going to be a fascist coup. Hey, government, give

1241
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: us guns, and the government was like, we can't, that

1242
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't be legal. Uh, and so when the fascists. So

1243
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: then the anarchists went and dug up their their cachets

1244
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: of guns from their failed revolution a couple of years earlier,

1245
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: and that's what they used to defend the coup. So

1246
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: one everything might have gone really differently if the government

1247
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: had just given the anarchist guns. But to the hopeful

1248
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: note I'm going to leave you on, is that pretty

1249
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: quickly after the coup starts, the government reverses its don't

1250
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: give weapons to the anarchist malicious policy and they give

1251
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: one point five there's now one point five to three

1252
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 1: million anarchists and who keep trying to declare libertarian socialism

1253
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: which is like the word for anarchism, and take control

1254
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: of their lives. And suddenly they have hella fucking guns.

1255
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: What's going to happen in the next part of the episode?

1256
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: Who knows? I'm I'm thrilled, I'm captivated, I'm excited. Well

1257
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: that's that's it for for today. You can catch the

1258
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: next part on Wednesday. Yeah, Jamie, do you do you

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Speaker 1: want to plug your plug? Doubles perhaps something where you

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Speaker 1: require lots of sound effects. Yeah, well, in a way,

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Speaker 1: me talking about me and Ian looking for very specific

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Speaker 1: sound effects that I struggled to describe in detail is

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Speaker 1: a great segue, um to the show where all of

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Speaker 1: those sound effects eventually miraculously appear because Ian is amazing. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to my new podcast, Ghost Church, which

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Speaker 1: is produced by one Sophie like German on one Glue

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Speaker 1: Zone Media. Um. And it's my show that's coming out

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Speaker 1: about the history of American spiritualism, basically the history of

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Speaker 1: organized religion that revolves around talking to ghosts in the

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Speaker 1: US and the time that I spent with some of

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Speaker 1: the remaining spiritualists in Florida earlier this year. Um. And

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's wherever you're listening to this show

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Speaker 1: Ghost Churches. There also wonderful Margaret. Do you wanna do

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Speaker 1: you want to pre plug your pre pre pre pre

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Speaker 1: order for your book? Oh yeah, I have a book

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Speaker 1: coming out. It's a book of short stories. It's called

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Speaker 1: We Won't Be Here Tomorrow and it comes out from

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Speaker 1: a k Press on September. In case you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this in the future, Well, you are listening to in

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Speaker 1: the future, but it depends on how far into the

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Speaker 1: future you're listening to it. Well, actually, I guess only

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Speaker 1: one person is listening to his private episode. But it's

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Speaker 1: available for pre order. I'm going to I'm gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's available for pre order on June.

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Speaker 1: Is that June already? Know it's May currently? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was somewhere around them and it is. I I write

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Speaker 1: science fiction and fantasy. So if you want to read

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Speaker 1: about trans woman thief who feeds men to her mermaid girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: or if you want to read about Margaret Um, this

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Speaker 1: is really exciting. If you want to read about hackers

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Speaker 1: who programmed drones in order to uh troll CEOs into

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Speaker 1: quitting and then one of them is seriously guys, then

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Speaker 1: you should read this book. Uh that I'm in. I'm in,

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Speaker 1: and you know this is a private recording, but for

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Speaker 1: our one listener, which is I mean, but but that

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Speaker 1: if if there ever was a targeted ad in this,

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Speaker 1: that is it. And we'll be We'll be back up.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back up one part two. Stay hopeful. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 1: Visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check

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