Speaker 1: Fu leg Cap podcast. We have a special guest in here.
Speaker 1: My guys album just dropped. He just did that BET
Speaker 1: side for y'all saw it. Man, my friend. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think that we could be cousins, but we're
Speaker 1: indeed not related, not that I know of. Oh t
Speaker 1: the real what welcome, sir, welcome, it's good man. First
Speaker 1: of all, Man, things been moving. Congratulations on the BT.
Speaker 1: Look yeah man, big, big moves real great for me
Speaker 1: able to be part of that. How did that whole
Speaker 1: thing come about? Like I know you said, Snoop reposting
Speaker 1: your shit kind of helped with that, right, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we believe, so you know what I'm saying. But you know,
Speaker 1: for the most part, we've just been consistently dropping videos
Speaker 1: and they've been getting placed on BT, shut Out, Breeze,
Speaker 1: connecting the bridges on that making everything connect and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they hit us up this year and said
Speaker 1: come on and here we are today. So for people
Speaker 1: who don't know, man, give me a little bit of
Speaker 1: your background, because I think a lot of people know
Speaker 1: you as like a Philly rapper, even though you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily from Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm from mass
Speaker 1: If you watch some of my other interviews, and shit,
Speaker 1: it goes real into like, you know, I left mass
Speaker 1: you know, part of my criminal life that I had
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and I ended up in Philly
Speaker 1: and that's when you know, I went to prison for
Speaker 1: a while. When I came home, that's when you know
Speaker 1: I started to push the music and uh, yeah, here
Speaker 1: we are. How how long were you in prison? Like
Speaker 1: five and a half. That's a serious bid, man. Some
Speaker 1: would say, uh being like you being a car So
Speaker 1: obviously there's like politics are different in all prisons everywhere California.
Speaker 1: I believe it's definitely different. Yeah. I think that the
Speaker 1: Peckerwoods and the South Siders are together, and then I
Speaker 1: think blacks and the others. And what is like when
Speaker 1: you were locked up? Because you obviously are a hip
Speaker 1: hop artist, you got flavored like do the whites stay
Speaker 1: with the whites in prison? Where you were at? Like,
Speaker 1: how was like your prison experience? Man? I remember when
Speaker 1: I was The first prison I was in was Boston.
Speaker 1: I've been in like six joints. The first joint I
Speaker 1: was in was was Massachusetts. Was what's the house? He
Speaker 1: was just saying, and in what's the house? I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember I was. I was seventeen getting tried as
Speaker 1: an adult, so I really have no business being in there.
Speaker 1: They just they figured they'd keep me for the last
Speaker 1: two months till I turned eighteen, so they put me.
Speaker 1: I was in population, but I was so young and
Speaker 1: so scrawny that nobody bothered me at all. They like,
Speaker 1: I looked like your kid. They were like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing here. I remember showing my papers
Speaker 1: to people and being like, no, look, I'm seventeen, and
Speaker 1: people would be like, yo, see how what the fuck Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you need anything here? Man? They were like looking out
Speaker 1: for you. It was like that. That's how it was
Speaker 1: in what's the house where I landed at that time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, whoever had it under control, It
Speaker 1: was under control. It was all right. But I remember
Speaker 1: two Irish kids came to my cell, older guys, and
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, Bud, you got your paperwork And
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is that? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like all the paperwork from you getting
Speaker 1: rested and shit. So I was like, yeah, he said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, if you you know, if you got any
Speaker 1: problems or anything, you come see us. You know, what
Speaker 1: I'm saying for like a black dude or a Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican dude, or you go at it with one of them.
Speaker 1: You don't go at it with them. You just come
Speaker 1: see us and we'll go. And I wasn't having problems
Speaker 1: with no one, So I was like all right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like looking at him,
Speaker 1: like the fuck. They're like, yeah, you're good, look at
Speaker 1: my paperwork, and left. So I seem like that there
Speaker 1: was some type of order, but you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: really you know, I had so much other shit going on.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really focus on it. But like and then
Speaker 1: I remember like hitting the Delaware prison, like the joints
Speaker 1: I was in Delaware, Like you weren't allowed to sleep.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like you couldn't sleep. I seen, I
Speaker 1: see some crazy shit down there in Delaware. It's nasty
Speaker 1: down there. You could you could do your time in
Speaker 1: the prison, or if your short time, you can choose
Speaker 1: to go across the parking lot to the VOP Center,
Speaker 1: you know, which is a punishment camp. So like there
Speaker 1: like boot camp, ta oh yoh, my man. They wake
Speaker 1: you up four am, five am, just reading last names.
Speaker 1: Put your boots on put your boots on, so that
Speaker 1: would like excel your settence. So yeah, it would like
Speaker 1: it would be like if you do a program in
Speaker 1: the in the VOP center, you know, it might be
Speaker 1: like six months less than your two years or something.
Speaker 1: So it was worth it. But you weren't allowed to sleep.
Speaker 1: Did you do that? You did the VOP. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I had to do VOP because you know, I left
Speaker 1: Massachusetts on the run and I went to Delaware, and
Speaker 1: I remember I like served the undercover cop and Massachusetts
Speaker 1: wouldn't come get me, so Delaware put me on probation,
Speaker 1: and probation gets me and they're like, they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: you're nineteen. You never finished high school. Go back to
Speaker 1: high school. So they put me into high school up
Speaker 1: the street from the house that I was trapping out of.
Speaker 1: I had my own house, so I was going to
Speaker 1: school during the day to appease probation. So you're on
Speaker 1: probation trapping out of your own crib at nineteen, and
Speaker 1: then Friday night, Friday nights, I had to report to
Speaker 1: the VOP center and go to prison from Friday to Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I get out Sunday night and go back to school.
Speaker 1: Monday morning. So every every weekend they put me on
Speaker 1: a different pod because they wouldn't want me to go
Speaker 1: back to the same part and bring a pack, you
Speaker 1: know what saying, and bring a bomb in, right, So
Speaker 1: like people would be dying trying to get me to
Speaker 1: bring a bomb in, Like everybody be trying to know
Speaker 1: you're a weekend because they had to stay. They were
Speaker 1: all doing for people. Don't know what to a bond
Speaker 1: that's like drug yeah whatever, Yeah, you know that would
Speaker 1: be something to put up your I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm just scared. That's that's how
Speaker 1: some cast, some casts might do it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're coming in from the streets, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I almost got himmed up in
Speaker 1: a situation down there one time because of that, because
Speaker 1: you had something money and a bunch of week Me
Speaker 1: and a bunch of weekenders were all in the cell
Speaker 1: and they put us on the cell together, had us
Speaker 1: all stripping, like everybody take your shirts off, and I
Speaker 1: remember I like, I don't know what happened, but I
Speaker 1: heard something hit the ground like that. It wasn't you.
Speaker 1: It might have been, but I looked down and there
Speaker 1: and there was a bag and ship, and I was
Speaker 1: and I'm looking and like no one sees it where
Speaker 1: everyone's still getting undressed and ship. So I kind of
Speaker 1: step on it through the swipe wow, notices it. And
Speaker 1: then when they're cleaning it out, they're like, yo, hold
Speaker 1: on what is and all the other weekend to start
Speaker 1: ratting on me right away. They're like this fucking young
Speaker 1: prick because they're all you know, they're all you know,
Speaker 1: they had it with me. I'm going in this small
Speaker 1: like straight gas taking living a life. Yeah, like look
Speaker 1: at this fucking high school. I'm like a nineteen year
Speaker 1: old junior in high school. Jesus, It's like Billy Madison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a trapper. It was like it was something crazy.
Speaker 1: So like we kept getting I kept getting raided, and
Speaker 1: you know, there was nothing to do down there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I was I was hunted
Speaker 1: down there in Delaware. You know, I feel like sneaking
Speaker 1: a balloon of drugs inside of your orifices of any capacity,
Speaker 1: it's just dangerous because what if the bus opened, Like
Speaker 1: you ever know somebody, but not even that You're going
Speaker 1: in there with your sneakers though. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: even talk about you. I just mean like you always
Speaker 1: hear like like chicks will go visit dudes and like
Speaker 1: sneak shit inside of them, Like you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that ever goes left, Like if the
Speaker 1: balloon pops open inside of a chick and then she
Speaker 1: fucking overdoses. She died. People all the time you heard
Speaker 1: of that. I got a homie who tried the stuff.
Speaker 1: Half a half ounce a crack in his ass and
Speaker 1: he died. Police serious and serious amount of crack to
Speaker 1: try to find your book. I'm just saying the amount
Speaker 1: of loop needed for that, that's two gay for sure.
Speaker 1: It probably just matters how many layers of bag or
Speaker 1: in between that, you know, because it's your body's acidic.
Speaker 1: You got acids in you. Yeah, it should be like
Speaker 1: you should at least it's like when you got to
Speaker 1: put it in a corner and like wrap it into
Speaker 1: another corner. Right, It's like if you vacuum seal a
Speaker 1: pack and put it in the mail, you should at
Speaker 1: least do it three times allegedly. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: once you start, once that machine gets the buzzing, you
Speaker 1: know you might just do it. You just got to
Speaker 1: make sure you get you're good with the poke test.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I wouldn't know anything about that,
Speaker 1: but I've heard. I don't know, but yeah, yeah that
Speaker 1: is so. Look, so you're nineteen years old, so just
Speaker 1: so we can rewind this because this is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: So you get locked up at seventeen, you get out, Well,
Speaker 1: I turned eighteen in jail and I got on the
Speaker 1: ankle brace and I cut it off, so I slipped,
Speaker 1: So I was I've been on the run forever. Like,
Speaker 1: so you're on the run pretty much my whole life
Speaker 1: until I've just maxed out my prison sentence just now,
Speaker 1: like two years ago. I basically it's been like a
Speaker 1: niceade and a half. So you cut off your ankle
Speaker 1: bracelet at eighteen, you end up getting back into the
Speaker 1: system to the point where they make you go back
Speaker 1: to high school. Yeah, like they were like, Yo, Massachusetts
Speaker 1: won't extradite you. They're not they won't pay to get
Speaker 1: you extradited, So we're not going to hold you on
Speaker 1: that case. This is in Delaware. Yeah, so Delaware is like,
Speaker 1: we're just going to charge you with your case is here.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna make sure you go back to school.
Speaker 1: And then and I got raided down there again, and
Speaker 1: I bailed out before probation could put the detainer on me,
Speaker 1: and I ran, I left Delaware. So now I'm twenty
Speaker 1: and I'm in Philly. What I'm saying so for a
Speaker 1: certain I just you're a nineteen year old junior in
Speaker 1: high school Monday through Friday. My birthday. Man, it's your
Speaker 1: birthday and birthday. Hey, think about it. How many years
Speaker 1: ago were you in prison celebrating this day. There's some
Speaker 1: ashtrays and some lighters. Yeah, of course I would smoke
Speaker 1: with you, my man. Yeah, yeah, please do This thing
Speaker 1: might have clipped up my part, but if not, I
Speaker 1: got a box of drugs right there on top of
Speaker 1: the mortar kombat. So so yeah, you know, wait wait wait,
Speaker 1: So look you're nineteen. You're a nineteen year old junior
Speaker 1: in high school with his own house. Like ten, you're
Speaker 1: from the school. Okay, so you have your own house
Speaker 1: right next to the school that they're forcing you to
Speaker 1: go to. So the their officer, the their officers like
Speaker 1: stops me one day and he's like yo, He's like,
Speaker 1: I know what goes on at that house down the street.
Speaker 1: He's like, don't bring that ship in this school. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, all right, right, I gonna argue with you.
Speaker 1: Was a young kid. So your your daily schedule, though,
Speaker 1: was going to school at night, You're doing your thing,
Speaker 1: you're getting your money, and then on the weekend you're
Speaker 1: going to this camp. I'm going to jail. Oh you're
Speaker 1: going to jail on the week straight prisons and that's
Speaker 1: not the VOP thing. No, the VP is the prison.
Speaker 1: So you're going to but you're doing the VOP program
Speaker 1: on the weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yop shit. I'm getting
Speaker 1: out Sunday night. So I had like one weekend, one
Speaker 1: weekend left. It was on my second to last weekend,
Speaker 1: and that ship hit the floor and them cats are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's hiss. He comes in here. Is that when you jetted?
Speaker 1: So no, no, So I'm in the fucking prison, fucking balls, naked,
Speaker 1: fucking getting accused of the drugs on the floor. They says, mind.
Speaker 1: I'm like that ain't fucking mind. They're like, who's this?
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. But they can't prove it at
Speaker 1: that point. So then they're like look and they point
Speaker 1: there's a fucking camera. So I'm like, damn. So now
Speaker 1: I'm like, it ain't mine. Double down, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Fuck you ain't mind. Still I don't care
Speaker 1: what the camera says. I'm doubled down. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I was young. So Sunday night came and they read
Speaker 1: all the weekend his names to leave and they ain't
Speaker 1: read mine. So I'm like, yo, see yo one, that's
Speaker 1: school Tomorrowgo the fuck back to your rap man. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Man? They said you ain't you
Speaker 1: ain't going home. You're like, you're the one who brought
Speaker 1: the dope in. Everything's dope to them. Delaware is the South.
Speaker 1: It's the beginning of the South. What I'm saying, Once
Speaker 1: you hit Delaware, you're in the South. It's different than
Speaker 1: being in Pennsylvania. It's a whole different culture, I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: Like even the music motherfuckers was listening to, like Mike
Speaker 1: Jones and shipped down there, down there. Not nothing against them,
Speaker 1: Nothing against Mike Jones. I can use a couple of
Speaker 1: singles too. But I'm saying, like, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: a different vibe down there, and hold on happy birthday. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is this guy his birthday right here. Man, it's
Speaker 1: the hell of a birthday. Man. Bulet keV said, fly up,
Speaker 1: but uh where was I fuck it? You said that? Uh?
Speaker 1: They said you're staying. Oh yes, they said you're staying.
Speaker 1: So the next morning comes and they bring me out
Speaker 1: in front of a video court judge and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: y'all gotta double dere like, listen six month program starting today,
Speaker 1: or you could go catch this three piece for bringing
Speaker 1: drugs into jail. I'm like, nope, not nope, fuck that
Speaker 1: not mine. Nope, not mine. They're like, we got you
Speaker 1: on camera. I'm like, I want to see the camera.
Speaker 1: They said, well, we don't got to show it to
Speaker 1: you till we show it to the judge. You see
Speaker 1: it at the same time. So I was like, damn.
Speaker 1: So I remember calling home telling my mom and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you got to take the deal. But I know they're
Speaker 1: listening in Delaware. Is nasty. So I'm like, now I'm
Speaker 1: not taking the deal. Mom. I'm innocent, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I know that this is all part
Speaker 1: of it and you probably can't get in trouble for
Speaker 1: kicking it. Yeah, kicking it under the bed or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Plausible deniability has gotten me
Speaker 1: out of some jams, what I'm saying, so you know
Speaker 1: they got approved. I'm saying nothing right, that shit ain't mine,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they put me in
Speaker 1: front of the judge, and the judge is like on
Speaker 1: the screen, he asked the CEO, because the CEO is
Speaker 1: like acting like the fucking prosecute this shit is like
Speaker 1: fucking small town shit going on here, guys over my shoulder,
Speaker 1: like you're on it. We don't actually have those cameras recording.
Speaker 1: They're just there for monit's right. Probably. The judge is like, yo,
Speaker 1: let him go right now and get him back. I
Speaker 1: want him back in school by this afternoon. They let
Speaker 1: me back out. That's amazing. Went on a run. So
Speaker 1: you you were on the run for a how many
Speaker 1: years were you say that you were just kind of
Speaker 1: ducking the law before it caught up to you, from
Speaker 1: like two thousand and two to two thousand until till
Speaker 1: I went to prison in twenty ten, twenty eleven, and
Speaker 1: then and you say you were in for five and
Speaker 1: a half five and a half there. Yeah, So so
Speaker 1: it was on the run and then I got out
Speaker 1: and was on parole, so I was. I didn't max
Speaker 1: that out for another four years after that, so it
Speaker 1: was almost a twenty year run. Like well for people
Speaker 1: wh don't understand too, is like when you're on parole
Speaker 1: like that, it's almost like as close to being in
Speaker 1: prison as I mean. I don't know how your parole was.
Speaker 1: I guess everyone's Philly, Philly sweet. Like I suggest anybody
Speaker 1: who's on parole in like Jersey or something like that.
Speaker 1: Everybody's killing everybody in Philly, right, So like if you
Speaker 1: don't get caught shooting a gun at somebody, you know
Speaker 1: you're not going to just like like I would suggest
Speaker 1: you relocate to Philly if you put your if you
Speaker 1: put it, if you put your parole in Philly, they
Speaker 1: don't got time to come see you. Oh that's it.
Speaker 1: They don't got time, yo. So what was it that
Speaker 1: ended up happening where everything actually ended up catching up
Speaker 1: to you? Because I've got some friends that were on
Speaker 1: similar I got both in Philly. After you know, I
Speaker 1: landed in Philly, like oh seven, I found like fish Town, Kensington,
Speaker 1: built my little team up, had a little run to
Speaker 1: like twenty ten, got booked, got caught on someone else's shit,
Speaker 1: someone else's bullshit. I got pulled in, got grabbed, and
Speaker 1: people were telling they offered me a four to eight.
Speaker 1: I tapped real quick, because you know, I was over
Speaker 1: one hundred grams. Over one hundred grams for a convicted
Speaker 1: felon at the time was a mandatory seven and a
Speaker 1: half to fifteen. But the seven and a half and
Speaker 1: fifteen can be a back number. It doesn't got to
Speaker 1: be your front number. So you could get a four
Speaker 1: to eight and that falls in that seven and a
Speaker 1: half to fifteen. So I took the sweetest deal that
Speaker 1: they offered right away. When I went upstate, Delaware put
Speaker 1: a detainer on me, I said, what do you guys want?
Speaker 1: They said two and a half years plus the felling
Speaker 1: and conviction. I'm like, well, you running right now? They
Speaker 1: said yeah. I said boom. So I was like, no
Speaker 1: felling convictions, just adding no, the Massachusetts hits me up.
Speaker 1: Massachusetts tried to get it and we've been looking for him. Well,
Speaker 1: they put a detainer on me right away, and I
Speaker 1: got in the listen. I got in the dog program
Speaker 1: and in the jail I was at and people have
Speaker 1: a pet. Yeah, me and me and one one other
Speaker 1: dude were in a building where a bunch of dudes
Speaker 1: had like rooms like this size, but there was a
Speaker 1: crate for a dog. And you got these fucked up
Speaker 1: dogs and like you groom them and like walk them
Speaker 1: and if they'd get adopted after So it made you
Speaker 1: look good for when you saw the board and you
Speaker 1: were doing good. You know. It's like and you had
Speaker 1: a little friends and you had a fucking dog and
Speaker 1: you could go outside on the compound at any time
Speaker 1: and walk to any block because your dog had to
Speaker 1: piss and you were just walking around. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, it was a good jobs. People would
Speaker 1: hate on that show. You in the Dog Program, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: you would take the dog too. How many dogs did
Speaker 1: you have? Well? Actually I didn't do good in the
Speaker 1: Dog Program really, but you know my dog died. That's
Speaker 1: where that's what my dog died. You know. That's where
Speaker 1: like work ethic came in and shipped to where it
Speaker 1: was like I had like weight room and football games
Speaker 1: coming up and playing all these sports like you're playing
Speaker 1: football in prison. I played every sports that ball, ball man.
Speaker 1: How's so you're walking dogs. That's not going well, because
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't that you gotta they gotta sign
Speaker 1: out sheet on the wall every time you take the
Speaker 1: dog out to walk them. And this broad was running
Speaker 1: the programs like, you know, you're not bringing the dog
Speaker 1: out of there, you know, fucking and you're not taking
Speaker 1: them out for long enough periods of time. And after
Speaker 1: a while, I was like, listen, fucking cunt, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make fucking parole and go home and
Speaker 1: fucking live. I love the dogs, but like the dog,
Speaker 1: don't gotta go out nine times a day. The fucking
Speaker 1: dogs getting adopted and sitting in a cage while the
Speaker 1: people go to work. You got me, listen, bitch, I
Speaker 1: gotta game. I gotta game, Tom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know this is what happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. So so they let you take
Speaker 1: a picture with the dog. Fucked up, they let me
Speaker 1: take Let me put this down. They let me take
Speaker 1: a picture with the dog. Right, So I got a
Speaker 1: court date coming up in Massachusetts. Right, so I send
Speaker 1: the pictures of the dog to my mom. My mom
Speaker 1: goes on my behalf to Massachusetts. Right, We're we're just
Speaker 1: trying to get up, We're trying to plead guilty. So
Speaker 1: they start running the time while because the pia four
Speaker 1: and a half years going the other time is gonna
Speaker 1: get eaten up. So they're like, oh, the dude who
Speaker 1: was ahead of probation at the time was fucking working
Speaker 1: with adopting dogs at the Patriots games. He was putting
Speaker 1: the dog adopted dogs up on the screen at the
Speaker 1: Patriots game. So my mother holds the picture off of
Speaker 1: me fucking the dog in court. I guess they you know,
Speaker 1: talk and they're like, yeah, we'll give them, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it was another two years. Dogs saved you
Speaker 1: some time. Shout out another felony conviction adding up against me.
Speaker 1: But I was getting out of ship though, so I was,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to the shout out to the dog.
Speaker 1: I think his name was Boozer. Boozer like Carlos, Yeah, overrated.
Speaker 1: He was a hound. He used to be like like
Speaker 1: like hound Howling and the Cells. It was crazy. Bro
Speaker 1: back to the football. How do you divvy up a
Speaker 1: football team? And because football draft draft, so you got
Speaker 1: to sign up a bunch of people sign up to
Speaker 1: be coaches. Every coach gets to freeze one player. So
Speaker 1: you got people going all over the jail trying to
Speaker 1: like buy buy a player to freeze with them Jesus.
Speaker 1: And then they go in and they have their draft
Speaker 1: and ship the draft. What round were you drafted in?
Speaker 1: You know that was a whole player. Man. So would
Speaker 1: you play, like what was your position in prison? Pause?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about on the football field. On the football field,
Speaker 1: were you running back? Were you a tight end? Pause? Quarterback? Cornerback? Well,
Speaker 1: I'd say I'd say probably a tight end. Pas. Yeah, Actually,
Speaker 1: you'd want to be at all positions. You would want
Speaker 1: to be a tight end in prison, I'm saying you
Speaker 1: want to be Sports are big though in prison, man.
Speaker 1: Sports and what gets you through ship? Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: to play with basketball. I mean obviously I think out
Speaker 1: here they got like there's like a big baseball league
Speaker 1: in the prisons in Cali. Yeah. Yeah, like back in
Speaker 1: the day they used to play like the guards that
Speaker 1: I played, you know, baseball and it's men's softball in there,
Speaker 1: and ship. The ball got to hit the plate to
Speaker 1: be a strike any like crazy riots while you were
Speaker 1: locked up in the well. So in the county in Philly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of there was. Probably that's the
Speaker 1: that was probably like the county huh And yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean if the county in Philly eats up everything
Speaker 1: I saw, you know. And that's what they say about
Speaker 1: La County jail. They say it's like fucking hell on earth.
Speaker 1: Like for even if you're only there for like two weeks,
Speaker 1: it's like the worst I was with a kid who
Speaker 1: got I was with a kid who had a d
Speaker 1: UI in Philly and he was on probation for it,
Speaker 1: and he got a d UI out in l A
Speaker 1: And Philly went and got him and made him ride
Speaker 1: the bus back and every so every so they ride
Speaker 1: the bus for a couple hours and they drop you
Speaker 1: off at the nearest prison sleeps there. Then the next
Speaker 1: morning you go on a prison toy. Yeah, you're going
Speaker 1: a joint. That's why you gotta look at the states
Speaker 1: you're fucking with, because some states will go anywhere you
Speaker 1: see on Massachusetts wouldn't even come to Delaware to get
Speaker 1: me the mother. You know. Some Massachusetts won't extradite unless
Speaker 1: something crazy. It's like not worth their time. Yeah, for me,
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Speaker 1: because like with your background, obviously you know it. The
Speaker 1: it's hard a nice guy. Well, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: like for you to get out when you got out
Speaker 1: and then start from zero when it comes to having
Speaker 1: like a doing this rap shit. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it says a lot about like I guess, just
Speaker 1: like your determination man, because like I'm assuming you're writing
Speaker 1: hell of wraps and jail and ship. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: when I when I started doing that. Time when I
Speaker 1: was fighting that case when Pennsylvania had me Delaware put
Speaker 1: a detainer on me. There's no more bail. Don't even
Speaker 1: think about that ship. You're just waiting for court dates. Now.
Speaker 1: Now you're just you're in jail. You just now you
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna be at. Now you're trying to
Speaker 1: run a poker table. You're trying to get you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, You're trying to start living off the land.
Speaker 1: Your mind ain't out there no more. It's inside. But
Speaker 1: once your mind's inside, all right, you canna do it.
Speaker 1: You just gotta get through it. Were you like big
Speaker 1: with rapping before you got locked up? I was rapping
Speaker 1: and I had like a studio, but like I never
Speaker 1: released music ever on like YouTube or nothing. I was
Speaker 1: literally just it was just a place for us to
Speaker 1: fuck around and gamble and meet people and serve people.
Speaker 1: You think you sharpen your your obviously your skills a
Speaker 1: lot while being in jail with that pen right in jail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not real rap in jail definitely. You know, I wrote
Speaker 1: a lot and and then i'd go, you know, I
Speaker 1: was like reluctant a little bit at f to rap
Speaker 1: because it's it's nasty in there. You don't really want
Speaker 1: to draw attention on yourself, you know what I'm saying especially,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure being a white dude that raps
Speaker 1: is like and then like I know, and then like
Speaker 1: and then like you know, I was somebody on the
Speaker 1: street like you weren't like a fucking yeah, people knew
Speaker 1: who you were. I was fucking fronting everybody like they
Speaker 1: knew everybody was. I was fucking paying gas bills like
Speaker 1: in my in the neighborhoods I was in. So like
Speaker 1: when I went to jail, most a lot of dudes
Speaker 1: were fucked up on drugs. I was healthy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. At that time, I was ready to
Speaker 1: rouse that boy, ready to roar. So like I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: like when I first went there, a lot of them
Speaker 1: dudes kind of got behind me, like the same way
Speaker 1: when I told you the most came to my cell
Speaker 1: and they were like, yo, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I felt myself kind of turned into that a little bit,
Speaker 1: like trying to help out some people. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: turned into you. I mean the big homie kind of
Speaker 1: of sorts. Yeah, but in a much more humble way. No,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, for sure, if you move humble.
Speaker 1: Anywhere you can get that, you're gonna get that same
Speaker 1: energy any racist people, any religion, anything. If you move
Speaker 1: humble and respectful the ship, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it can still go left. No, for sure, it's crazy
Speaker 1: because like, uh, I feel like you came on the
Speaker 1: show two or three years ago. It was right before
Speaker 1: was it? Was it twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen? It
Speaker 1: was it was up at the station were you and ed? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say it might have been twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: or early yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think you had
Speaker 1: been dming me for a while and it was hungry.
Speaker 1: I was trying to Yeah, you were hitting me a
Speaker 1: grip and I forget if it was Oh shit, I
Speaker 1: don't remember who like got water? We don't got water?
Speaker 1: Now you want to grab some from the from the
Speaker 1: Stowsky Broski my fault man, you second a few I said.
Speaker 1: It might have been Steve Lobel Lobell well yet so
Speaker 1: so all right, So one night, what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: get a phone call all that, like something happened to
Speaker 1: one of my friends and they were gone, they weren't
Speaker 1: coming back for a while, and uh so I was
Speaker 1: you know it was. It was a fucked up day,
Speaker 1: real paranoid, fucked up day for me. I wasn't involved
Speaker 1: in none of it, but it just was very close
Speaker 1: to me. And you know, so I was home. I
Speaker 1: remember I was laying downstairs in the living room and
Speaker 1: my and my phone rang and I'm like, lo. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's up? Bro? Just want to let you know, man,
Speaker 1: motherfuckers is proud of you. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: good looking. I'm like, who is this? He's like a
Speaker 1: shoe man. I was like oh. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: where you at? I don't know. I don't even know
Speaker 1: where this is. But I was locked up with so
Speaker 1: many different people that someone got he got my number.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking crazy with him. We can talk like
Speaker 1: who is this? You know what I'm saying, Like what
Speaker 1: do I know you're from? No? Man, you you weren't
Speaker 1: locked up with me. I'm way out West. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I was at West Pa too. He's like no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm out West. I'm in California locked up. So I
Speaker 1: just want to let you know. We've been looking at
Speaker 1: your progress. Motherfuckers is proud of even ship. So I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I was like, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I said, Shoe, where do where do I know you from?
Speaker 1: He said, my name ain't Shoe. My name is Shug.
Speaker 1: I said Shug. I said, this is Shug. What's your
Speaker 1: last what's your last name? He said, there's only one Shug.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's Shug Knight. So I was like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, all right. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Scott and Steve call you. You don't
Speaker 1: get with you. I was like, all right, well, if
Speaker 1: this is really you, I apologize. I don't know how
Speaker 1: Suke Night got my number, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the next day, Scott Storch facetimey. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna get it in. We just we
Speaker 1: just got put onto you by you know, suck Night.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. I was like, all right, And
Speaker 1: I never even got to talk to dude again because
Speaker 1: you can't call back. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then you know, it went dry for a while,
Speaker 1: like the whole summer went by, and then my homie
Speaker 1: hit me and was like, yo, I just because I
Speaker 1: put a green shot up when I storted facetimeing, I
Speaker 1: was like, hold up, bro Colb and take that screen shots,
Speaker 1: like yeah, of course put it up so that that
Speaker 1: got you know, the battery in one of my homies
Speaker 1: back to just keep the same way I was at you.
Speaker 1: I got some thorough people around me that are constantly
Speaker 1: just like how Breeze is just like all his beads Ship,
Speaker 1: you know, so like he's like, yeah, I'm going out
Speaker 1: there funk with him. You're coming. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: come on, we go out there, get with Steve, get
Speaker 1: with Scott. We got a record in the tuck. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta beat by Storch in the you know, in
Speaker 1: the tuck. Great guy. Yeah, man, So you know, should
Speaker 1: be having and crazy shit you having. So you still
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Ship night. Huh nah, that's so crazy,
Speaker 1: Like whatever you were doing like got into the on
Speaker 1: his radar while he's incarcerated. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's fucking
Speaker 1: wild man. Nah, you know, it's it ain't easy. It
Speaker 1: ain't found out whether that where that where that came
Speaker 1: from or some cats from Jersey was at Shade for
Speaker 1: five one day, and you know, I guess they were
Speaker 1: in close touch with dude over here and you know
Speaker 1: they put him. I mean I found that out later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I don't know if he's ever supposed
Speaker 1: to get out, but I'm sure if he does, you'll
Speaker 1: meet him one day or visit him. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, man, Like I said, Man, I wish
Speaker 1: everybody the best, like I know everybody. You know that's
Speaker 1: not a I know that that that dude has been
Speaker 1: through a lot of situations with a lot of people
Speaker 1: out of course, of course, Like I mean, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, but that's like that's their business, being that
Speaker 1: you've lived the life you've lived. When you listen to
Speaker 1: certain rappers, can you tell if they're full of shit
Speaker 1: or not? Sometimes because I feel like the stuff you
Speaker 1: say in your bars, like people who know, like like
Speaker 1: you know, push it. He has a song if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like if you listen to
Speaker 1: your ship, you're saying some really really like some ship
Speaker 1: that I went through. Damn, Like this dude is fucking serious,
Speaker 1: Like this is not some you know for gayzy dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can I can tell. I can tell sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: though you know, some cats out here doing you know,
Speaker 1: crazy numbers with with whatever they're doing on the street,
Speaker 1: and you know, they make music that's like future, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, though, So like, well, I think
Speaker 1: too sometimes it's like the close to it if you
Speaker 1: got a hard bar rapper though, I can tell. I
Speaker 1: can really I could tell if it's if it was
Speaker 1: him or his homies. I mean, that was you with
Speaker 1: your big brother. Man, it's not rapping a bunch of
Speaker 1: brother Man, aren't you kind of like glad that you
Speaker 1: got all that ship out of the way when you did,
Speaker 1: before this Fandael ship was popping, because god damn it's
Speaker 1: crazy right now, right absolutely, it's like it's terrible, absolutely, man.
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, Man, I got tired of
Speaker 1: drugs in the ecstasy era. Man, I was off. I
Speaker 1: was over. I was over really doing drugs when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. So I was when I became an adult,
Speaker 1: like I've been on my own, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I never had like a good looking bro I
Speaker 1: never I had like a net under me that was
Speaker 1: gonna catch me. So I had to accept like how
Speaker 1: miserable life can be when you're a man by yourself
Speaker 1: and you're fucking broke. You know. Once you're nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: years old. You're a grown man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you were you. I mean, look, you were pretty
Speaker 1: much out on your own right away seventeen on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to be like my mother was
Speaker 1: good family, you know what I'm saying, Good parents and
Speaker 1: shit like separated, but still like I mean, she showed
Speaker 1: that guy the dog. She shit fucking went to my
Speaker 1: court dates for me, you know what I'm saying. Tom
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Speaker 1: That's amazing your mom. Man, shout out to Mom Dukes. Man.
Speaker 1: My dad visited me too. Man, m it will come
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Speaker 1: it's such a long drive. Man, I'll be like, Man,
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Speaker 1: being a white rapper, you I feel like you automatically
Speaker 1: just inherit random like redneck fans, even though you don't
Speaker 1: make that kind of shit. Have you noticed that I
Speaker 1: just noticed like this gradual of every type of everyone.
Speaker 1: Everybody who I know that's like super into like ill
Speaker 1: rap shit. Like when I repost you on a freestyle
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, they're always like, yo, he's crazy,
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Speaker 1: you had mentioned in the freestyle I think you did
Speaker 1: for was on the radar. There is a weird, obnoxious
Speaker 1: underbelly of white rap that is easy to get pulled
Speaker 1: into because it's like, uh, it's just low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: to me. I'm talking about what's the fucking guy who
Speaker 1: I beefed out with in my YouTube comments, that corny bastard?
Speaker 1: What's that Adam Calhoun? Oh okay, so like that kind
Speaker 1: of shit, the Adam Calhoun shit, the Burden shit, the uh.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of weird, super like cringey white
Speaker 1: rap shit guys Like I guess the way to put
Speaker 1: it in the terms will be like if you like music,
Speaker 1: so like people come up to me and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I listen to your ship and that shit gives me
Speaker 1: the fucking chills, Like that should make like you said
Speaker 1: or something like that. And that's because, like I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm putting my real life emotion into something. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm doing it. I'm doing it because I'm making
Speaker 1: something that I feel. It's all it's all organic and
Speaker 1: it's all real. Yeah, it doesn't. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: when someone is just writing a poem of the best
Speaker 1: ship that they can think of and none of it
Speaker 1: and there's no you can tell that there's no passion
Speaker 1: or nothing in it. I mean, they're really just trying
Speaker 1: to ride a beat and they're just they're doing it
Speaker 1: just to be doing it, because there is no passion
Speaker 1: in it. There is no message in it, So what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? So people like who pay
Speaker 1: attention to lyrics and appreciate ship like that, that was
Speaker 1: gonna get tired something here. That's like doing them country
Speaker 1: singers be like, well that's what I think. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the Calhoun dud and the up Church guy right, Oh
Speaker 1: yeah Church, he made that front work his guns first,
Speaker 1: be clear. Yeah, I heard the up Church guy is
Speaker 1: a nice guy, but I don't know. Probably I wish
Speaker 1: them both the best. Uh, yeah, you had talked to
Speaker 1: you and Millie supposed to be doing some shit together,
Speaker 1: the whole project. That's my dog man, great guy, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: you know it's crazy. I met millions in twenty and
Speaker 1: twelve at south By Southwest as a Hyatt fucking lobby.
Speaker 1: That guy's been at it for years. Man, Well you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that he's you know, the ship
Speaker 1: he's got going on right now, he's killing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he deserves it. And he's official too. He's official, official, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you asked me a certain people that
Speaker 1: guy is official. Absolutely. You've had some pretty big moments
Speaker 1: in terms of just like people acknowledging the movement, acknowledging
Speaker 1: you as you know, just I mean obviously Meek's posted
Speaker 1: your ship snoop dog of recent like what's what's been
Speaker 1: like one of the more crazier things that like kind
Speaker 1: of made you like pinch yourself, Like, damn, I was
Speaker 1: fucking in prison, you know seven years ago. Like now
Speaker 1: so and so is all my ship Like this ship
Speaker 1: is wild. Yeah, that happens a lot. But what I
Speaker 1: do is I just I'd be like shut the fuck
Speaker 1: up and think about what's the next joint? Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you give two wrapped up into the what am
Speaker 1: I doing a rollof for this next project? Where am
Speaker 1: I going? Where it did not go what did not do?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I've had two children born,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what I'm saying, in the
Speaker 1: last three years, I've had two children born. So wow,
Speaker 1: well congrats yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I got three kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, I just had two in the last
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You got two young ones
Speaker 1: right now. That's that's why. Yeah. Yeah. And my oldest
Speaker 1: son he's playing you know, football, soccer. Oh nice, little
Speaker 1: little dude. Now man football in soccer. Man. Once they
Speaker 1: hit like eight, they become like little dudes. Low key.
Speaker 1: I think anythin't before that. You really look at it
Speaker 1: like damn, Like I gotta watch what I say in
Speaker 1: front of you now because you really be knowing about ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely right now. At this time in my life,
Speaker 1: my music is starting to connect to my home life
Speaker 1: because I have a child old enough to understand stuff.
Speaker 1: So and that's important too. This is them explaining the dude. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: I have an eight year old who is going on thirty.
Speaker 1: A lot of these dudes ain't there for their kids.
Speaker 1: A lot of these dudes like they're lit, but their
Speaker 1: kids they're fucking thirty. Seven year old kids. They got
Speaker 1: kids out there, they don't take care of their kids.
Speaker 1: There's no way they're taking care of their kids, because
Speaker 1: I'd be with my kids. So I know there's no
Speaker 1: fucking way that a lot of these cats really have that.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't really sacrifice that relationship with my kids
Speaker 1: if I got anything, if I got to get rich
Speaker 1: slower than I will. You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna grind. I'll just sleep less. That's my that's
Speaker 1: my trick. That's amazing. You know, I see you do
Speaker 1: it too. Life balances and salute to everybody who don't,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get it twisted. That's there are a
Speaker 1: lot of thirty seven year old children running around here.
Speaker 1: But you know, and I'm not saying right, but I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, oh, just because they don't have kids that
Speaker 1: they're fucking children. I don't like that. So they is
Speaker 1: that they don't take care of their kids, right, people
Speaker 1: out kids, That's what I'm saying. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: my baby Mam makes it easy too, though, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's important, man, it's important to have
Speaker 1: the right person to like understand your mission, especially being
Speaker 1: an artist, like they just somebody just call home today
Speaker 1: a relative and said that, like, you know, he just
Speaker 1: landed in a new in a county jail, and the
Speaker 1: guards got my ship on YouTube with them with the
Speaker 1: speaker with my ship's playing on YouTube, and the cell
Speaker 1: block right now, the dudes are going up to the
Speaker 1: cell like, Yo, that's your fan, that's your people throwing food.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like that right now because I really
Speaker 1: came in heavy, Like you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: put a lot of people on a lot of people,
Speaker 1: put a lot of people on a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of people Massachusetts, Jersey, New Hampshire, Delaware, Pennsylvania, all well,
Speaker 1: you know back then. So my relationships some of those
Speaker 1: people that you know, I had these relationships with, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all out of the streets now, but some of
Speaker 1: these people know me. I mean, you know each other
Speaker 1: now you kind you know what I mean? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: know we wouldn't fuck each other or you know, I
Speaker 1: have that relationship with like all these these people. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I have, you know, so and
Speaker 1: it's not all from drugs, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's from just being being solid back in the day.
Speaker 1: It really was, but you know, those relationships turn into
Speaker 1: other things. People ended up places, a lot of people dead,
Speaker 1: a lot of people in jail. Some people work at
Speaker 1: fucking in the school. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's crazy, man. You know that's
Speaker 1: my path and I'm still not where I want to go.
Speaker 1: But my character is on a bean. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Explain to me, like what was the moment,
Speaker 1: like when you first get out where you decided to
Speaker 1: go like ten toes in on this rap shit because
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, like I was on a roof getting paid
Speaker 1: eighty dollars a day, about to fall off that shit everything,
Speaker 1: not knowing what I was doing, unskilled, and I'm coming
Speaker 1: and I'm coming out of jail, and everyone's like you
Speaker 1: better go out there and fuck that ship up, like
Speaker 1: cause I'm coming. I'm you know, I hit home, and
Speaker 1: the people, like I said, I've said this before, like
Speaker 1: people weren't as quick to want to help you because
Speaker 1: they're like, what are you doing. You're trying to wrap dude,
Speaker 1: Like come on, man, get a fucking job. You just
Speaker 1: got out going back to jail, man, people who care
Speaker 1: about you. Yeah, yeah, man, And you gotta decide. I
Speaker 1: like right there, like all right, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: Its balls to the wall, balls to the walls. Believe
Speaker 1: you just go believe in yourself, and then you know,
Speaker 1: when you start knocking down doors, you'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking door knocker down there. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, more than one way knocking those doors? Man? Uh, bro,
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about acting? I feel like you
Speaker 1: could be like type just got me minute? What'd you
Speaker 1: get me? Breeze? What's it called the check? What's it from?
Speaker 1: Got my first? Yeah? Yeah, got my sack check from
Speaker 1: that BT? Yeah? Man to man, I feel like you
Speaker 1: could just be typecasting in every Ben Affley gangster movie forever.
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Speaker 1: he's somebody who I look up to a lot with
Speaker 1: what he great guy, man, great guy won. I had
Speaker 1: a legendary night in Las Vegas with Slain and a
Speaker 1: bunch of porn stars in twenty and twelve. My god
Speaker 1: Static Selector was there. Yeah. I may or may not
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Speaker 1: before I knew my wife. Shout out status, shout out
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Speaker 1: in Vegas. Those weekends were crazy. Yeah I missed those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you missed them. But how do you like, like, when
Speaker 1: you're in prison, don't they like take that ship from you,
Speaker 1: Like if somehow you managed to get like a fucking
Speaker 1: hustler in there, isn't that contraband? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you get in trouble for that. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, certain guards probably realized that that
Speaker 1: ship is breeding homosexuality. And I think, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of times guards are the one taking the magazine
Speaker 1: in and taking to the copy machine, printing all them
Speaker 1: black and whites and giving them to the block, So,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh so like like like most of the
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Speaker 1: Definitely gets nasty. Be a nice hustle if you're it's
Speaker 1: hard when those people banned up. Those people by themselves
Speaker 1: are one thing, but when you find a certain crew
Speaker 1: of dickheads, man, it's just the whole cruise a bunch
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Speaker 1: owned by the people in the town. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Watching Have you watched the Mayor of Kingstown.
Speaker 1: It's with a Jeremy Renner, the guy from hurt Locker.
Speaker 1: It's about like that. It's about like this this little town.
Speaker 1: It might be in like that area. Actually I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure it is. And it's like about like how this
Speaker 1: prison kind of feeds the whole town, like job does man,
Speaker 1: the way fun the way they the way they mark
Speaker 1: up commissary, like with nobody overseeing them. You understand that
Speaker 1: it's like a straight flip. I mean, there's no nobody's involved.
Speaker 1: Like they're just buying ship that's approved and they're marking
Speaker 1: it up as they see fit and selling it that
Speaker 1: commisary that's selling it to the selling toy. They're locking
Speaker 1: you in a place and get like a bottle of
Speaker 1: these Yes, they're locking you in a place right for
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, controlling the market on everything you can buy. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean really, And then like I'm the way that
Speaker 1: they're streaming the music in there and ship like I'm glad,
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on all them tablets and shiit. But
Speaker 1: like you can get a tablet in there. Everybody got
Speaker 1: a tablet. My music's on all the tablets. We fight
Speaker 1: to make sure my ship's on the tablets. And what
Speaker 1: is the is it like Spotify? Like what is it? No,
Speaker 1: it's like a fucking They get like a tablet and
Speaker 1: they have like a site that I forget. It's not jpey,
Speaker 1: it's something else or might be if I was out
Speaker 1: of jail. I just I left and got out of
Speaker 1: prison right before the tablets came and the tobacco got
Speaker 1: taken out. They took all the tobacco out. So tablets,
Speaker 1: there's like a specific platform that like you got you
Speaker 1: get a tablet and like you can call people from
Speaker 1: it from your cell so you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about like the phone line. Nomal. Yeah, I got a
Speaker 1: homie who text me regularly from prison from federal prison
Speaker 1: and uh, he's in Ohio. He's like I talked to
Speaker 1: him all the like every week, Like he just texted
Speaker 1: me about you see what happened. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I feel like my time would have
Speaker 1: been a lot harder if I'd had a phone, but
Speaker 1: you know, I would have. I would I wanted one
Speaker 1: when I was in there, of course, said at all times.
Speaker 1: But to have a phone full time while you're doing
Speaker 1: all them years is like it's almost like it's teasing you,
Speaker 1: like what you're missing, Yeah, as opposed to focus on
Speaker 1: what's in front of you. That's real watching people go
Speaker 1: through like college, Damn, sh it hurts. Crazy shit hurts.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad I just locked him. Just leave me alone.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in I'll just hunker down and live
Speaker 1: life right there until it's time to go. So your
Speaker 1: new album explain the title no matter what? Yeah? What
Speaker 1: what I mean? This is no matter relentless. I mean
Speaker 1: we see no matter what, like yeah, that's yeah. We
Speaker 1: just talked about everything you fucking went through. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and like you know, other people have had rougher paper
Speaker 1: routes than me. I'm not complaining, but yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: you ask why wear a at That's what it is
Speaker 1: that you got. Chris Webby on the album shouts Chris Webby,
Speaker 1: Chris friend, great guy. Yeah man, he's got a pretty
Speaker 1: sick fan base. Too. You say you were on the
Speaker 1: road a little bit with him, Yeah, got the experience.
Speaker 1: He took me to do some shows with him and
Speaker 1: Ship and kid Ritz was out there with him. Man,
Speaker 1: Rich's old as fuck. Be clear, he is not a kid.
Speaker 1: Fuck with Rich, great guy. I fuck with him too,
Speaker 1: Maybe a little too much to the gentriment of my
Speaker 1: own fucking you know existence, but yeah, man, right, he
Speaker 1: can wrap his ass off. Yeah, and he is probably
Speaker 1: the one day Rich's movie will come out and it
Speaker 1: will be great. Rich is a wild boy, That's all
Speaker 1: I can say. Yeah, he's definitely I only kicked it
Speaker 1: with him for a little bit, but we're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: link again. No, you guys should do a record together
Speaker 1: because he can, Like he does the chopping where you
Speaker 1: be rapping fast, but people don't know he could do.
Speaker 1: He actually has like a whole boombab tape that he
Speaker 1: never put out, just to show people that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to wrap that way. But Rich's fire. Who was
Speaker 1: on the album? He said, webbe who else? Oh sue surf,
Speaker 1: Sue Surf? Yeah, man, shut out. He's one of them ones. Man. Yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: He's somebody that I always wanted to work with so
Speaker 1: when the opportunity came up, I was glad we were
Speaker 1: able to you know what I'm saying, able to link
Speaker 1: shoot that video, get all that out. And then I
Speaker 1: got another one with Hardo from from Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: He's so fire, yo, real rap man. Get I know.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've had him on my show. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've I've been tapped in with Hardal for
Speaker 1: a long time. I feel like twenty seventeen he came
Speaker 1: on my show. But I just ran into him at
Speaker 1: south By and uh, I fucked with hard oh Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd be talking shit. He's another one on people that
Speaker 1: when they talk that shit. Yeah, he's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, shot to Pittsburgh, man, I saw. Uh
Speaker 1: did you have a relationship with the battle rapper who
Speaker 1: just passed away? Pat? Yeah, real good relationship. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: saw he you know, I saw you just post about him.
Speaker 1: I don't know the circumstances of which he died, man,
Speaker 1: but like he was by all accounts one of the
Speaker 1: I'm not like super I think I think he was.
Speaker 1: He's to me, you know what I'm saying, And I
Speaker 1: said this before you know what I'm saying he passed,
Speaker 1: but uh, he was number one him in disaster. To me,
Speaker 1: were the best two battle rappers I ever heard, you know, right,
Speaker 1: There's some other cats, though in a different way. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of nests. Do that's a different thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta get more caught up. But uh, but back
Speaker 1: to Pat though, Pat's a legend forever. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. How'd you guys end up like becoming friends ship?
Speaker 1: I think it was showing love through internet, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But Pat was one of them people
Speaker 1: that like, you know, voice texts you, right, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: back and forth all day. We talk every day. Did
Speaker 1: your voice text back or did you talk to not whatever? However,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. However, but me and Pat
Speaker 1: was tight. Bro. That sucks, man. Yeah, I feel because
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I remember seeing that he had passed away,
Speaker 1: and then I watched this that's like really eerie, like
Speaker 1: when someone dies and like their story is still up
Speaker 1: from the day of and it's like fuck man, Like
Speaker 1: this dude was just breathing like eight hours ago. Like
Speaker 1: it's you just never know when your time can come man,
Speaker 1: he was the last person I could think of that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, right right, right right, So unfortunate,
Speaker 1: very very emotional about that. For you, where do you?
Speaker 1: Where do you go from here? Because when you get
Speaker 1: a look like the BT cipher, major labels will start
Speaker 1: knocking if they haven't already been knocking. I know you've
Speaker 1: been close to some situations with you know, some some
Speaker 1: other rap. I wouldn't say cruise labels whatever, but are
Speaker 1: you looking to sign? Are you? Like? Where are you
Speaker 1: at in terms of like the rap shit like moving?
Speaker 1: I'm in a good place right because, like I can
Speaker 1: drop music when I want. I got a good situation
Speaker 1: with Distro. I mean, shot all my people over in
Speaker 1: next Yeah, I got a good situation. It could always
Speaker 1: be better. But you know, I learned that every time
Speaker 1: I drop, I'm becoming you know, every time I perform,
Speaker 1: every time I do anything, I'm just increasing what I
Speaker 1: got going on. You're increasing your reach every time. So like,
Speaker 1: you know, I expect more, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So I just keep you know, I'm all you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But right now I'm self sufficient, so
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not drowning no more like I was.
Speaker 1: I was drowning. Yeah, Because like I think the goal
Speaker 1: always should be when you you're broke, I'm broke right
Speaker 1: parole right with kids. Fuck broke on parole with kids.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying trying to make it, just crying it out.
Speaker 1: I think anyone's like, if anybody can successfully get to
Speaker 1: the point where they can get their bills paid off
Speaker 1: of this rap shit like you made it, like to
Speaker 1: be honest, like you made it. But every time you
Speaker 1: get to the top of a hill, ye keep going. Man,
Speaker 1: you see another mountain. You didn't see it till you
Speaker 1: got to the top. It's crazy, that's real because like
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Speaker 1: and seeing how they do, you know, like what the
Speaker 1: you know? Well, I mean I feel like you probably
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Speaker 1: with them, when you're on the road, when you're doing
Speaker 1: the Chris Webby shit, is it like, is it like
Speaker 1: tough to be away from the kids for like a
Speaker 1: long amount of time. I mean, like yeah, but you know,
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Speaker 1: But you know, as men, you know, we gotta go provide.
Speaker 1: You gotta go hunt in the foods and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's what I tell my wife, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know the women can hunt too that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. She's taking care of the kids.
Speaker 1: I'm out getting this money. You gotta find that child care.
Speaker 1: You gotta pay for that. You gotta hunt for that too.
Speaker 1: Go hunt that there. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get a little vacation from the kids to get that
Speaker 1: date night, popp. You know, it's hard, it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a tough, busy couple of years, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'm grateful, so, you know, I look
Speaker 1: forward to being able to do more. Is there. I've
Speaker 1: been restricted, I've been everything. When did you get off ship?
Speaker 1: When did I get off? When did I get it?
Speaker 1: It was it twenty nineteen, Noah, I was twenty so
Speaker 1: you got parole. I got it was right before COVID,
Speaker 1: But right before right before COVID. It was fucking January,
Speaker 1: right before COVID jumped a couple months later. Yep, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you were just like that was like your first
Speaker 1: time being shoutout Prince Holloway free from the system in
Speaker 1: almost twenty years, right and Jack MacMan, Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: I walked out of there, was like, fuck you never
Speaker 1: coming back. I was like, damn, I go do something
Speaker 1: and get right out. Terrible, terrible mentality. You know. I
Speaker 1: didn't do that, but that's you know, ah man shout
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Speaker 1: I mean, like you said you did ship with Green Lantern, Like,
Speaker 1: is there any other ideas or thoughts of doing like
Speaker 1: another full collapse project within another producer? Yeah fucking right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely there's other producers. They were like you and Darrend,
Speaker 1: you would be crazy, yeah, man, real real quick too.
Speaker 1: Like I said, man, this should be flowing out of
Speaker 1: me like right now and making the best music. You
Speaker 1: could put me on like a trap beat. Some kids
Speaker 1: put me on like a trap beat the other night,
Speaker 1: ain't what's the mask out to wister? Yeah we'll rap
Speaker 1: and uh, you know I got right on that ship
Speaker 1: and swagged it out. I don't mind putting harmony on
Speaker 1: something I do. I feel like lyric. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm acing everybody on that too, on some you know,
Speaker 1: not trying to, I mean real rap though, I'm acing shit,
Speaker 1: like the best music flowing out of me, the best
Speaker 1: shit I'm writing, the best ship. Who's your favorite like
Speaker 1: outside of you or your immediate crew? Like, like what
Speaker 1: are you just a fan of right now? In hip hop?
Speaker 1: Right now? Like who do I listen to? Like? What's
Speaker 1: your favorite album this year? How about that that I
Speaker 1: that wasn't mine or that you were a part of,
Speaker 1: of course, because I'm gonna be in love with mine. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm on it, but I'm a big you know Millie's
Speaker 1: albums dope. I'm on it though, but that one number one, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, on iTunes and all that shit. Other shit
Speaker 1: that came out this year twenty twenty two. Man, this year,
Speaker 1: I like what Harry Frog got going with jay Worthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that album is crazy. Actually, jay Worthy has been on
Speaker 1: a crazy run. I met jay Worthy back out here
Speaker 1: like with Weed. You know, I was out there with
Speaker 1: h He's on, he's on, He's on a fucking crazy run.
Speaker 1: Just he's just dropped. I feel like he's ropping a
Speaker 1: new album. Every Teeth Push your t album is crazy
Speaker 1: this year. I like, yo on some real ship. I'll
Speaker 1: be bumping nems and ship thems just fucking fire. I
Speaker 1: love Nemes. Man. He's somebody else who we had on
Speaker 1: like crazy early and like I'm just so glad he
Speaker 1: caught his wave and like people are starting to pay
Speaker 1: attention to, like just he's such a ship. Been disrespectful
Speaker 1: his music. I feel like he got less disrespectful lately.
Speaker 1: And then, uh, there's this kid in Philly, leaf Ward.
Speaker 1: I mean this, you know who I've been listening to
Speaker 1: a lot dope. Man. All right, man, we'll listen. Uh,
Speaker 1: go get the album, no matter what, no matter what. Ship.
Speaker 1: That's the hottest shot out this man. Go run that
Speaker 1: ship up. I'm sure there's gonna be a whole lot
Speaker 1: more music coming soon. The more tour dates maybe yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: definitely definitely album millions on the way maybe yeah. Also, man,
Speaker 1: don't forget to go get me on that uh you know,
Speaker 1: Black Soprano Family album, Long Live DJ Shay that's yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Was there any talking you guys doing a little situation
Speaker 1: over there at the BSF. Oh yeah, there's lots of Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's lots of uh, lots of things going on. I
Speaker 1: mean lots of talk. Would you rather like build your
Speaker 1: own ship though, like low key, I'm already building own ship.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like it probably is easy to
Speaker 1: me and my man s K. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: if you look on a lot of my albums. I
Speaker 1: got my man SK and J with me. What's the
Speaker 1: name of your ship? You shout it out just so
Speaker 1: people know, like you know, I mean right, my LLC
Speaker 1: is ot the Reel, but I also have Super Kitchen
Speaker 1: Music group took Souper Kitchen. But yeah, yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: ot the Reel is signed to OT the Reel. It's
Speaker 1: just one what you get there, so proprietor ship. I
Speaker 1: love it. I'm hit to the LLC. I got a few.
Speaker 1: My man ESK put me on to do that ship.
Speaker 1: That's why he's with that ship with. Once you start
Speaker 1: making more money, you're gonna have to get that escort
Speaker 1: and then you gotta put your as an employee trust
Speaker 1: and your kids on that trust. Yeah, you get better
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