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The final few 20 00:01:29,186 --> 00:01:31,186 Speaker 1: seconds of a close game. The kicker lines up for 21 00:01:31,226 --> 00:01:35,146 Speaker 1: a make or break field goal, heart rates starts spiking, 22 00:01:35,306 --> 00:01:40,066 Speaker 1: the blood pressure starts creeping up, only to hear a 23 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:44,906 Speaker 1: whistle the defense calls a time out prior to an 24 00:01:44,906 --> 00:01:48,786 Speaker 1: important kick, and in football vernacular, this is what we 25 00:01:48,906 --> 00:01:54,146 Speaker 1: call I sing the kicker. Welcome my friend, Mike Yam. 26 00:01:54,186 --> 00:01:56,026 Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm doing great. When you 27 00:01:56,026 --> 00:01:58,666 Speaker 1: talk about the heart rate spiking and the blood pressure going, 28 00:01:58,706 --> 00:02:00,386 Speaker 1: are you talking about the fans or the kicker, because 29 00:02:00,386 --> 00:02:02,466 Speaker 1: I think you're describing me while I'm watching some of 30 00:02:02,466 --> 00:02:04,666 Speaker 1: these guys line up only to hear that whistle go 31 00:02:04,706 --> 00:02:08,226 Speaker 1: off goal. Here we go again, here's the icing. I'm 32 00:02:08,266 --> 00:02:10,866 Speaker 1: a dad kinka balla. That is my dear, dear friend, 33 00:02:10,906 --> 00:02:14,826 Speaker 1: Mike Yam. And today we're going to talk about exactly that. 34 00:02:14,946 --> 00:02:19,186 Speaker 1: Whose heart rate goes up, who gets irritated? And as 35 00:02:19,306 --> 00:02:22,546 Speaker 1: common as this has become, we really need to answer 36 00:02:22,586 --> 00:02:27,506 Speaker 1: the question does the psychological warfare of icing the kicker 37 00:02:27,866 --> 00:02:30,706 Speaker 1: actually work? Mike? We're going to dive into the origins 38 00:02:30,706 --> 00:02:32,186 Speaker 1: of this. We're going to take a look at what 39 00:02:32,226 --> 00:02:35,026 Speaker 1: the stats say, We'll find out what a few coaches 40 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,186 Speaker 1: and players have to say, and then I am going 41 00:02:37,226 --> 00:02:40,066 Speaker 1: to see where you line up on this. If you 42 00:02:40,146 --> 00:02:42,706 Speaker 1: are a head coach, are you waving your hand and 43 00:02:42,746 --> 00:02:45,866 Speaker 1: calling time or are you just saying let it be okay. 44 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:47,546 Speaker 1: I don't want to give anything away a d D. 45 00:02:47,706 --> 00:02:50,826 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a numbers guy. I love the analytics, 46 00:02:50,866 --> 00:02:52,986 Speaker 1: and if I was a head coach, I'd be leaning 47 00:02:53,026 --> 00:02:54,866 Speaker 1: on some of those analytics. But I think it's really 48 00:02:54,906 --> 00:02:59,106 Speaker 1: important to DD to explain the statistical parameters surrounding a 49 00:02:59,226 --> 00:03:02,346 Speaker 1: kick and being classified as icing the kicker so a team, 50 00:03:02,386 --> 00:03:04,506 Speaker 1: because I always thought it was like, Yo, call time 51 00:03:04,546 --> 00:03:06,346 Speaker 1: out right before the guy lines up, that's ice in 52 00:03:06,386 --> 00:03:08,066 Speaker 1: the kicker. And yes, while that is a part of it, 53 00:03:08,426 --> 00:03:11,186 Speaker 1: two minutes are less remaining in regulation or at any 54 00:03:11,226 --> 00:03:14,746 Speaker 1: point in and overtime, that also is considered icing the kicker. 55 00:03:14,786 --> 00:03:17,106 Speaker 1: And if the kicking team has a max lead of 56 00:03:17,146 --> 00:03:19,666 Speaker 1: eight or if they're down by three. And it's actually 57 00:03:19,706 --> 00:03:22,906 Speaker 1: believed that one of the first known instances of a 58 00:03:23,026 --> 00:03:25,506 Speaker 1: kicker being ice is maybe one of the most famous 59 00:03:25,586 --> 00:03:29,186 Speaker 1: field goal attempts in NFL history. I actually remember being 60 00:03:29,426 --> 00:03:31,906 Speaker 1: in one of my best friends basements at the time 61 00:03:32,146 --> 00:03:36,266 Speaker 1: watching the Super Bowl January seven. Don't ask me what 62 00:03:36,306 --> 00:03:39,266 Speaker 1: I was wearing that day. But it's Super Bowl Bills 63 00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:42,706 Speaker 1: and Giants and Buffalo kicker Scott Norwood lines up for 64 00:03:42,746 --> 00:03:45,666 Speaker 1: a forty seven yard field goal attempt with just eight 65 00:03:45,666 --> 00:03:48,586 Speaker 1: seconds left to play. Parcels wants a time out to 66 00:03:48,626 --> 00:03:50,826 Speaker 1: make Nora would think it's going to be a forty 67 00:03:51,026 --> 00:03:54,706 Speaker 1: seven yard field goal attempt. Rank Rank will be the holder. 68 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:59,466 Speaker 1: When the ball is snap time out, New York, eight 69 00:03:59,506 --> 00:04:12,026 Speaker 1: seconds left, Adam Lingner will snap it no good. But 70 00:04:12,146 --> 00:04:14,186 Speaker 1: dd I made reference to being in my best friend's 71 00:04:14,226 --> 00:04:15,826 Speaker 1: basement at the time. It was like one of the 72 00:04:15,866 --> 00:04:17,866 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl memories that I can come up with, 73 00:04:17,906 --> 00:04:21,146 Speaker 1: and certainly a memorable one for a lot of different reasons. 74 00:04:21,146 --> 00:04:23,666 Speaker 1: But Bill Parcels tells one of his players on the 75 00:04:23,666 --> 00:04:25,586 Speaker 1: field to call a time out to make him think 76 00:04:25,626 --> 00:04:29,066 Speaker 1: about it a little bit longer. Norwood's kick obviously sales 77 00:04:29,106 --> 00:04:31,466 Speaker 1: to the right Parcels he gets the gatorade bath. There's 78 00:04:31,466 --> 00:04:33,506 Speaker 1: pictures all over social media, all right. There was no 79 00:04:33,546 --> 00:04:35,146 Speaker 1: social at the time, but if there was, you would 80 00:04:35,146 --> 00:04:37,306 Speaker 1: have seen it, trust me. Nor would he ends his 81 00:04:37,386 --> 00:04:41,586 Speaker 1: career sixty on field goals from forty to forty nine 82 00:04:41,746 --> 00:04:45,026 Speaker 1: yards out. But maybe those extra few seconds to think 83 00:04:45,066 --> 00:04:47,106 Speaker 1: about it a d D might have actually had a 84 00:04:47,146 --> 00:04:49,946 Speaker 1: huge effect on the result of that kick, maybe, you know, 85 00:04:49,986 --> 00:04:52,946 Speaker 1: and I can't find we of course couldn't get ahold 86 00:04:52,946 --> 00:04:56,346 Speaker 1: of Scott Norwood, and I can't find any reference to 87 00:04:56,386 --> 00:04:59,706 Speaker 1: whether he said that did indeed screw with him. But 88 00:04:59,826 --> 00:05:03,946 Speaker 1: I will say that after that we started seeing more 89 00:05:04,026 --> 00:05:07,306 Speaker 1: coaches do it. And you know, like, let's go back 90 00:05:07,346 --> 00:05:10,986 Speaker 1: to the Raiders trying to get into Adam Vinytari's head 91 00:05:11,066 --> 00:05:13,706 Speaker 1: during the famous Tuck Rule game in the snow. Of 92 00:05:13,706 --> 00:05:15,546 Speaker 1: course we always talk about it as the Tuck Rule. 93 00:05:15,786 --> 00:05:18,506 Speaker 1: It's a divisional playoff matchup between the Raiders in New 94 00:05:18,506 --> 00:05:21,706 Speaker 1: England two thousand two. Well, you see John Gruden yelling 95 00:05:21,826 --> 00:05:24,586 Speaker 1: his players he wants to take a time out. You know, 96 00:05:24,586 --> 00:05:27,506 Speaker 1: I've talked to kickers situations like this. Let's say, when 97 00:05:27,506 --> 00:05:29,306 Speaker 1: you get ice, does it bother you? When they do, 98 00:05:29,346 --> 00:05:32,106 Speaker 1: then they go no, they love it. It just gives 99 00:05:32,146 --> 00:05:34,786 Speaker 1: them more time to prepare and get ready for the kick. 100 00:05:35,546 --> 00:05:38,826 Speaker 1: So ultimately it didn't matter. Vinetary delivered the game winner, 101 00:05:38,946 --> 00:05:41,506 Speaker 1: and then he did the exact same thing after being 102 00:05:41,586 --> 00:05:44,706 Speaker 1: quote unquote ice in Super Bowl thirty eight. Two years 103 00:05:44,786 --> 00:05:46,986 Speaker 1: later in two thousand four, he hit the game winner 104 00:05:47,026 --> 00:05:49,866 Speaker 1: against the Panthers. And you know, Vinytary was of course 105 00:05:49,906 --> 00:05:52,026 Speaker 1: known for making the big kicks his whole entire career, 106 00:05:52,026 --> 00:05:55,946 Speaker 1: whether he's ice, whether he's not, whatever. But today, think 107 00:05:55,986 --> 00:05:58,706 Speaker 1: about how many times we see a coach sprint down 108 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:01,186 Speaker 1: a sideline to call a time out just before the 109 00:06:01,226 --> 00:06:05,626 Speaker 1: ball is snapped. You made this point before Bill Parcels 110 00:06:05,626 --> 00:06:07,666 Speaker 1: had to tell one of his players, because until two 111 00:06:07,666 --> 00:06:10,146 Speaker 1: thousand six, Mike, it was only players on the field 112 00:06:10,146 --> 00:06:13,266 Speaker 1: who are allowed to call that time out. Oh, Bill Parcels, 113 00:06:13,386 --> 00:06:17,706 Speaker 1: just ahead of the game's abundantly clear. All right. So 114 00:06:17,746 --> 00:06:20,866 Speaker 1: the more recent generation of icing from the sideline was 115 00:06:20,906 --> 00:06:24,626 Speaker 1: actually started by Mike Shanahan in week number two of 116 00:06:24,666 --> 00:06:27,626 Speaker 1: the two thousand six season. Shanahan actually iced Oakland kicker 117 00:06:27,666 --> 00:06:30,026 Speaker 1: Sebastian Janikowski, who, by the way, you could just drill them, 118 00:06:30,066 --> 00:06:32,466 Speaker 1: it felt like from miles away. He actually put a 119 00:06:32,466 --> 00:06:34,866 Speaker 1: fifty two yard or through the uprights as the whistle 120 00:06:34,986 --> 00:06:38,666 Speaker 1: was blown on the rekick he missed, and the coach 121 00:06:38,826 --> 00:06:41,066 Speaker 1: icing floodgates were certainly open. In fact, and this is 122 00:06:41,106 --> 00:06:43,666 Speaker 1: kind of a cool little tidbit here. Adity Oakland coach 123 00:06:43,746 --> 00:06:45,786 Speaker 1: Lane Kiff and whose team was on the receiving end 124 00:06:45,786 --> 00:06:48,026 Speaker 1: of that Shannahan icing got a little bit of revenge 125 00:06:48,066 --> 00:06:50,786 Speaker 1: the very next week when the Ice Cleveland's Phil Dawson 126 00:06:51,266 --> 00:06:54,146 Speaker 1: that led to a blocked kick upon that retry, and 127 00:06:54,146 --> 00:06:57,186 Speaker 1: in the postgame press conference, Kiffen actually said I learned 128 00:06:57,186 --> 00:07:00,106 Speaker 1: that from Mike, referring to Shanahan. Thanks Mike, And if 129 00:07:00,146 --> 00:07:02,426 Speaker 1: you follow Lane Kiffin on social media, you know he's 130 00:07:02,466 --> 00:07:05,466 Speaker 1: got no problem trolling anyone. I can't imagine if that 131 00:07:05,866 --> 00:07:07,946 Speaker 1: was if Twitter was around at that point, some of 132 00:07:07,946 --> 00:07:10,186 Speaker 1: the tweets that coach Kiffin would have been sending out 133 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:13,106 Speaker 1: after icing a kicker and it working well, Mike, don't 134 00:07:13,146 --> 00:07:16,706 Speaker 1: they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and 135 00:07:16,746 --> 00:07:19,626 Speaker 1: another cliche for us in the NFL it is a 136 00:07:19,666 --> 00:07:24,586 Speaker 1: copycat league. So of course Lane Kiffin saw what Mike 137 00:07:24,626 --> 00:07:26,786 Speaker 1: shanahand did, how it worked, he would try it again. 138 00:07:26,826 --> 00:07:29,586 Speaker 1: But let me tell you this, the act of icing 139 00:07:29,626 --> 00:07:33,706 Speaker 1: a kicker was not without controversy. You know, just a 140 00:07:33,826 --> 00:07:37,946 Speaker 1: year after a rule was implemented to allow coaches to 141 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:40,386 Speaker 1: call time outs on the sideline and not just require 142 00:07:40,426 --> 00:07:42,346 Speaker 1: their players on the field to do it, there was 143 00:07:42,586 --> 00:07:46,826 Speaker 1: actually a conversation that the NFL should perhaps ban icing 144 00:07:46,866 --> 00:07:49,226 Speaker 1: the kicker. So in two thousand seven, at the time, 145 00:07:49,466 --> 00:07:52,786 Speaker 1: the head of officiating was Mike Pereira, and Mike Pereira said, 146 00:07:52,826 --> 00:07:57,506 Speaker 1: then it is the unintended consequence of a good rule change, 147 00:07:57,906 --> 00:07:59,746 Speaker 1: and what he meant was the ability for coaches to 148 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:02,186 Speaker 1: call time outs. He said, I don't think any of 149 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:05,906 Speaker 1: us projected it would be used this way. It us 150 00:08:06,106 --> 00:08:11,066 Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. But kicker J Feely at the very 151 00:08:11,106 --> 00:08:14,706 Speaker 1: same time that same year says, look, I understand the strategy. 152 00:08:14,746 --> 00:08:16,666 Speaker 1: At the same time, there are a lot of plays 153 00:08:16,666 --> 00:08:18,906 Speaker 1: that the NFL has outlawed because they say it is 154 00:08:18,986 --> 00:08:24,506 Speaker 1: deceptive in nature. I think this falls under the same category. 155 00:08:24,866 --> 00:08:29,506 Speaker 1: It's deceptive. Is it actually really deceptive? It's got that vibe, 156 00:08:29,626 --> 00:08:32,146 Speaker 1: but it's Look, it's not illegal to do it, and 157 00:08:32,226 --> 00:08:34,546 Speaker 1: this is kind of how the rules have played out. 158 00:08:34,626 --> 00:08:36,986 Speaker 1: I understand why people would get upset, especially if I 159 00:08:37,026 --> 00:08:39,066 Speaker 1: was a kicker having to think about that kick and 160 00:08:39,106 --> 00:08:41,586 Speaker 1: be knocked out of my normal routine. But is that 161 00:08:41,626 --> 00:08:44,546 Speaker 1: not part of your job to be so mentally tough 162 00:08:45,106 --> 00:08:48,706 Speaker 1: that no matter what, you have to nail that kick. Yes, 163 00:08:48,746 --> 00:08:50,386 Speaker 1: that is a part of your job. But the problem 164 00:08:50,466 --> 00:08:52,906 Speaker 1: is not everyone is mentally tough enough to be able 165 00:08:52,946 --> 00:08:55,986 Speaker 1: to handle those situations. An NFL kicker, well, every team 166 00:08:55,986 --> 00:08:58,466 Speaker 1: needs a kicker. I mean, isn't that the difference between 167 00:08:58,506 --> 00:09:00,826 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker and you know, some of these other people, 168 00:09:00,786 --> 00:09:02,746 Speaker 1: but there's only one. Justin Tucker is the problem and 169 00:09:02,826 --> 00:09:04,986 Speaker 1: someone still needs to go out there and kick. I'm 170 00:09:05,026 --> 00:09:08,746 Speaker 1: with you, there is there's some gamesmanship surrounding this, but look, 171 00:09:08,746 --> 00:09:10,626 Speaker 1: the leagues just said, look like this is what the 172 00:09:10,666 --> 00:09:12,746 Speaker 1: deal is and allowed Ice and to continue, and it's 173 00:09:12,746 --> 00:09:15,066 Speaker 1: blessed us with I think some of the cool memorable 174 00:09:15,066 --> 00:09:21,786 Speaker 1: moments that we've seen in the past, don't kay, who 175 00:09:21,906 --> 00:09:24,946 Speaker 1: kick a successful forty nine yard or only to have 176 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:27,946 Speaker 1: the time out by Jason Garrett force him to do 177 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:32,546 Speaker 1: it again? Mrs Like, how insane is that? That was 178 00:09:32,586 --> 00:09:36,706 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven and Cowboys coached Jason Garrett actually iced 179 00:09:36,826 --> 00:09:41,466 Speaker 1: his own kicker, Dan Bailey nailed the forty nine yard er, 180 00:09:42,226 --> 00:09:44,426 Speaker 1: but Garrett had called a time out and on the 181 00:09:44,506 --> 00:09:48,306 Speaker 1: re kick he missed, and so Arizona beat Dallas in overtime. 182 00:09:48,706 --> 00:09:51,226 Speaker 1: That's one of those moments where you say to yourself, 183 00:09:51,226 --> 00:09:52,866 Speaker 1: it's like when of coaches on the sideline and his 184 00:09:52,946 --> 00:09:55,506 Speaker 1: player does something that you don't like and you're like no, no, no, 185 00:09:55,666 --> 00:09:57,866 Speaker 1: But then it works out and go, oh, yes, that's okay. 186 00:09:57,906 --> 00:10:00,706 Speaker 1: This is sort of like that, except it's the exact opposite. 187 00:10:00,706 --> 00:10:03,266 Speaker 1: So certainly a buzz kill from that perspective, but it 188 00:10:03,306 --> 00:10:05,186 Speaker 1: did give us one of those cool little moments. But 189 00:10:05,226 --> 00:10:08,586 Speaker 1: there was all so the wild card game between the 190 00:10:08,586 --> 00:10:12,666 Speaker 1: Bears and the Eagles, Chicago's Cody bark He actually drilled 191 00:10:12,706 --> 00:10:15,626 Speaker 1: a forty three yarder just as a time out was called, 192 00:10:15,626 --> 00:10:26,786 Speaker 1: but upon the rekick, we got this, and that's impossible. 193 00:10:29,746 --> 00:10:33,466 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. The Bears season's gonna end on a 194 00:10:33,546 --> 00:10:40,946 Speaker 1: double doing mike if you ask anybody right now. Of course, 195 00:10:41,106 --> 00:10:43,866 Speaker 1: we all think of that as the double doink, and 196 00:10:44,186 --> 00:10:46,866 Speaker 1: they will live forever in Bear's lowre But let me 197 00:10:46,906 --> 00:10:50,146 Speaker 1: tell you there is actually a version of a double doink. 198 00:10:50,426 --> 00:10:54,826 Speaker 1: Even before that two thousand seven, Joe Gibbs, he was 199 00:10:54,986 --> 00:10:59,946 Speaker 1: so excited about the prospect of icing Buffalo kicker Ryan Lindell. 200 00:11:00,146 --> 00:11:03,346 Speaker 1: That is, Lindall lined up for a potential fifty one 201 00:11:03,466 --> 00:11:07,266 Speaker 1: yard game winning field goal, gives called the time out, 202 00:11:07,786 --> 00:11:11,826 Speaker 1: but as the Bills lined up again, he called a 203 00:11:11,906 --> 00:11:15,226 Speaker 1: second time out. Mike, take a list of Washington right, 204 00:11:15,266 --> 00:11:18,386 Speaker 1: not called consecutive trying out for in this case trafrezer 205 00:11:18,466 --> 00:11:22,626 Speaker 1: kicker hard rule. This is unsupposed were like conduct fifteen 206 00:11:22,706 --> 00:11:28,146 Speaker 1: yard automatic pisture and guess what happened, Mike. Instead of 207 00:11:28,186 --> 00:11:30,346 Speaker 1: a fifty one yard field goal, it turned into a 208 00:11:30,506 --> 00:11:35,026 Speaker 1: thirty six yard field goal, and of course Lindell put 209 00:11:35,066 --> 00:11:37,946 Speaker 1: it through for the wind. Uh. Good effort by coach Gibbs. 210 00:11:38,146 --> 00:11:40,786 Speaker 1: Not the worst idea in the world. If you probably 211 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:43,266 Speaker 1: knew the rule, he would not have executed that second 212 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:45,826 Speaker 1: time out, But nonetheless, it was definitely one of those 213 00:11:45,906 --> 00:11:49,746 Speaker 1: unforgettable moments. But there's obviously a ton of instances where 214 00:11:49,866 --> 00:11:52,906 Speaker 1: a kicker might melt under the pressure of being iced, 215 00:11:53,386 --> 00:11:56,346 Speaker 1: and others are known for having ice in their veins. 216 00:11:56,426 --> 00:11:58,546 Speaker 1: But what do the numbers say A D D The 217 00:11:58,666 --> 00:12:03,106 Speaker 1: numbers they speak volumes? Are kickers really affected by the 218 00:12:03,186 --> 00:12:07,106 Speaker 1: simple act of a short interruption to their pre kick ritual? 219 00:12:07,186 --> 00:12:09,826 Speaker 1: Coming up after the break the data it doesn't lie. 220 00:12:10,026 --> 00:12:13,266 Speaker 1: Does icing the kicker actually work? We have the answer 221 00:12:13,306 --> 00:12:19,706 Speaker 1: coming up next on the NFL Explained podcast. America's most 222 00:12:19,746 --> 00:12:22,986 Speaker 1: reliable network is going Ultra with Verizon five G Ultra 223 00:12:23,066 --> 00:12:25,346 Speaker 1: wide Band in more and more places, so you can 224 00:12:25,386 --> 00:12:28,066 Speaker 1: do more without the ten times faster speeds. You can 225 00:12:28,106 --> 00:12:31,506 Speaker 1: download a movie in mere minutes. What Yes, that's faster 226 00:12:31,546 --> 00:12:34,906 Speaker 1: than your morning coffee Run lights camera coffee. 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So in two thousand seven, Mike then 252 00:13:58,826 --> 00:14:00,906 Speaker 1: head coach Jeff Fisher, who was part of the NFL's 253 00:14:00,906 --> 00:14:03,466 Speaker 1: competition committee, said, I think as soon as a head 254 00:14:03,466 --> 00:14:05,986 Speaker 1: coach Ice is a kicker and the kick is ment 255 00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:08,826 Speaker 1: and then re kicked and made, we're just not going 256 00:14:08,866 --> 00:14:12,866 Speaker 1: to see this ever again. But whoa was Coach Fisher 257 00:14:12,866 --> 00:14:16,866 Speaker 1: are wrong? Mike. Icing has been rampant across the league. 258 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,946 Speaker 1: So let's do one of your favorite things. Let's go 259 00:14:19,986 --> 00:14:21,706 Speaker 1: ahead and do a data dive and see if I 260 00:14:21,746 --> 00:14:24,826 Speaker 1: Sing the Kicker actually works. I'll go back to what 261 00:14:24,906 --> 00:14:26,426 Speaker 1: you laid out at the very top of the show. 262 00:14:27,986 --> 00:14:31,146 Speaker 1: The statistical parameters when we are considering icing means that 263 00:14:31,186 --> 00:14:34,026 Speaker 1: there have to be less than two minutes remaining in 264 00:14:34,066 --> 00:14:38,066 Speaker 1: regulation or we need to be an overtime. The kicking 265 00:14:38,146 --> 00:14:42,186 Speaker 1: team can't be up by any more than eight, and 266 00:14:43,026 --> 00:14:49,186 Speaker 1: the kicking team's max's hole can't be any greater than three. So, 267 00:14:49,386 --> 00:14:53,786 Speaker 1: according to this definition above, there have been five hundred 268 00:14:53,946 --> 00:15:01,386 Speaker 1: and forty one instances of icing since that includes the playoffs, 269 00:15:01,386 --> 00:15:04,906 Speaker 1: and so, drum roll, mike, what does the data say 270 00:15:05,106 --> 00:15:10,026 Speaker 1: about those five hundred and forty one instances of ice? Okay, 271 00:15:10,426 --> 00:15:12,226 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I saw these numbers and I 272 00:15:12,226 --> 00:15:14,386 Speaker 1: almost don't want to give them because I can't get 273 00:15:14,426 --> 00:15:17,426 Speaker 1: over what the results are. I almost don't believe it. 274 00:15:17,426 --> 00:15:19,186 Speaker 1: But I know our research team is phenomenal and they 275 00:15:19,186 --> 00:15:21,586 Speaker 1: wouldn't lie to us, and they wouldn't lie to our listeners. 276 00:15:21,586 --> 00:15:22,986 Speaker 1: But let's take a look at some of these numbers. 277 00:15:22,986 --> 00:15:25,946 Speaker 1: Since ninety three, in the field goal range between twenty 278 00:15:25,986 --> 00:15:29,186 Speaker 1: and twenty nine yards, kicks that were iced were converted 279 00:15:29,466 --> 00:15:33,146 Speaker 1: nine percent of the time not iced three percent of 280 00:15:33,186 --> 00:15:34,706 Speaker 1: the time. So there is a little bit of a 281 00:15:34,746 --> 00:15:38,106 Speaker 1: difference in that range that does favor maybe ice and 282 00:15:38,186 --> 00:15:40,506 Speaker 1: the kicker. In some of those moments from thirty to 283 00:15:40,666 --> 00:15:44,586 Speaker 1: thirty nine yards, kickers buried ninety one percent of their 284 00:15:44,626 --> 00:15:48,106 Speaker 1: field goals when they were iced eighty five percent when 285 00:15:48,106 --> 00:15:50,826 Speaker 1: they were not iced, which is sort of an interesting development. 286 00:15:51,026 --> 00:15:54,586 Speaker 1: From forty to forty nine, they bury sixty six percent 287 00:15:54,626 --> 00:15:57,266 Speaker 1: of their field goals when they're iced versus sixty nine 288 00:15:57,306 --> 00:16:00,346 Speaker 1: percent when they're not iced, and then fifty plus yards 289 00:16:00,466 --> 00:16:03,826 Speaker 1: fifty one percent they convert when they're iced, fifty percent 290 00:16:03,906 --> 00:16:07,386 Speaker 1: when they're not. So over all, when you kick and 291 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:09,906 Speaker 1: you're iced, you'll still be able to hit it seventy 292 00:16:10,466 --> 00:16:13,466 Speaker 1: of the time, not iced seventy six per cent. So 293 00:16:13,826 --> 00:16:17,106 Speaker 1: there's just a little bit of statistical differences overall, and 294 00:16:17,146 --> 00:16:19,786 Speaker 1: I guess we net out at it really doesn't matter 295 00:16:19,826 --> 00:16:22,426 Speaker 1: in fact, on those kicks once again, a fifty plus yards, 296 00:16:22,626 --> 00:16:24,786 Speaker 1: those are the ones that feel the most pressure. Kickers 297 00:16:24,786 --> 00:16:27,586 Speaker 1: are actually making more kicks when they are ice, which 298 00:16:27,666 --> 00:16:30,026 Speaker 1: once again and Ded, I almost can't wrap my head 299 00:16:30,026 --> 00:16:32,186 Speaker 1: around it because I think about the n b A 300 00:16:32,306 --> 00:16:34,266 Speaker 1: and guys when they're trying to knock down free throws 301 00:16:34,346 --> 00:16:36,706 Speaker 1: and coaches that call timeout. So you think about those 302 00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:39,106 Speaker 1: free throws, I feel like it is so abundantly clear 303 00:16:39,146 --> 00:16:41,986 Speaker 1: that icing free throw shooters actually has a bigger effect, 304 00:16:42,226 --> 00:16:44,066 Speaker 1: And that's why I want to say these kickers are 305 00:16:44,106 --> 00:16:46,946 Speaker 1: feeling it, but the numbers they don't say that that's 306 00:16:46,946 --> 00:16:49,786 Speaker 1: the case of d D okay, So Mike, it actually 307 00:16:49,906 --> 00:16:52,466 Speaker 1: seems that if you give the kicker a little bit 308 00:16:52,506 --> 00:16:55,746 Speaker 1: more time, a little bit more time to account for 309 00:16:55,786 --> 00:16:58,066 Speaker 1: the wind, to gauge for the wind, to figure out 310 00:16:58,066 --> 00:17:02,426 Speaker 1: what the field is like, to think, it might be better. 311 00:17:02,746 --> 00:17:05,026 Speaker 1: And I have another piece of evidence for that. We 312 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:07,946 Speaker 1: had our stats. You get even more granular, so we 313 00:17:08,026 --> 00:17:11,146 Speaker 1: looked at if there was only five seconds or less 314 00:17:11,186 --> 00:17:17,626 Speaker 1: remaining in regulation. Since kickers have made seventy two point 315 00:17:17,786 --> 00:17:20,906 Speaker 1: one per cent of their kicks when they were iced 316 00:17:21,386 --> 00:17:25,986 Speaker 1: with five or less seconds remaining in regulation. If they 317 00:17:26,026 --> 00:17:30,866 Speaker 1: were not iced, they made only sixty eight point eight 318 00:17:30,906 --> 00:17:35,706 Speaker 1: percent of their kicks. So kickers are actually more successful 319 00:17:36,426 --> 00:17:40,466 Speaker 1: when they are iced on kicks that are essentially the 320 00:17:40,506 --> 00:17:44,146 Speaker 1: final play of the game. A little extra time may 321 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:48,306 Speaker 1: not be a bad thing. Almost don't believe it, Like 322 00:17:48,466 --> 00:17:50,586 Speaker 1: I know, the numbers are the numbers. I just it's 323 00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:52,266 Speaker 1: hard for me to wrap my head around the fact 324 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:55,146 Speaker 1: that icing is not really affecting some of these kickers. 325 00:17:55,146 --> 00:17:57,586 Speaker 1: And maybe because there is a robotic nature to it. 326 00:17:57,626 --> 00:17:59,586 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I d Every time. You know, 327 00:17:59,666 --> 00:18:01,186 Speaker 1: you and I have been on a football field and 328 00:18:01,226 --> 00:18:04,346 Speaker 1: you see the preparation in the setup. It's the same 329 00:18:04,466 --> 00:18:07,506 Speaker 1: routine every single time. And I think that's why I 330 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:09,986 Speaker 1: feel like, if you used the kicker, you're messing up 331 00:18:10,026 --> 00:18:12,426 Speaker 1: the routine. But I guess the reality is it's not 332 00:18:12,506 --> 00:18:15,266 Speaker 1: having as much of an effect as I think coaches 333 00:18:15,466 --> 00:18:17,586 Speaker 1: feel like, and certainly that that I thought heading into 334 00:18:17,626 --> 00:18:19,546 Speaker 1: the show. Well, it's the same thing that you just said, right, 335 00:18:19,586 --> 00:18:21,506 Speaker 1: You called it robotics. So what difference does it make 336 00:18:21,546 --> 00:18:22,666 Speaker 1: if you do it now or if you do it 337 00:18:22,706 --> 00:18:25,226 Speaker 1: five seconds from now or thirty seconds from now, or 338 00:18:25,266 --> 00:18:27,386 Speaker 1: you know, a minute from now. We talked about Adam 339 00:18:27,466 --> 00:18:30,266 Speaker 1: Venytarian earlier. Obviously, no kicker has been ice more than 340 00:18:30,546 --> 00:18:33,546 Speaker 1: the NFL's all time leading scorer thirteen times. He was 341 00:18:33,666 --> 00:18:37,306 Speaker 1: iced in his career. Ten of the thirteen he converted. 342 00:18:37,826 --> 00:18:39,706 Speaker 1: But you know, the most ice called kicker of all 343 00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:44,186 Speaker 1: time actually is Matt Prader, who was ice ten times. 344 00:18:44,226 --> 00:18:46,946 Speaker 1: And go ahead, give me a guess on those ten, 345 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:52,546 Speaker 1: how many did he actually convert? Nine ten? Five of 346 00:18:52,586 --> 00:18:55,866 Speaker 1: them were for more than forty yards. That's ice in 347 00:18:55,866 --> 00:18:59,666 Speaker 1: the veins. David Acres, he was ten for eleven in 348 00:18:59,746 --> 00:19:01,826 Speaker 1: his career on his icing attempts. And then of course 349 00:19:01,866 --> 00:19:04,666 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker, friend of the po our dear friend, who 350 00:19:04,746 --> 00:19:07,586 Speaker 1: of course was on our third podcast ever, all on 351 00:19:07,706 --> 00:19:11,266 Speaker 1: goal posts. Well, he's the NFL's most accurate kicker of 352 00:19:11,306 --> 00:19:16,386 Speaker 1: all time. Nobody's even bothered icing him since two thousand sixteen. 353 00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:19,786 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this way back in two thousand thirteen, 354 00:19:19,826 --> 00:19:23,386 Speaker 1: he was asked about being iced, and he said exactly 355 00:19:23,386 --> 00:19:27,546 Speaker 1: what I just said to you earlier. Tucker said, if anything, 356 00:19:27,746 --> 00:19:30,146 Speaker 1: it gives you a little bit more time to pick 357 00:19:30,146 --> 00:19:32,986 Speaker 1: out your aiming point. I don't think it has any 358 00:19:33,066 --> 00:19:37,986 Speaker 1: bearing on what happens in live game action. So there 359 00:19:37,986 --> 00:19:41,266 Speaker 1: it is, the goat, the friend of the podcast, the 360 00:19:41,266 --> 00:19:44,106 Speaker 1: new records center in the NFL. With that sixty six 361 00:19:44,146 --> 00:19:47,666 Speaker 1: yard field goal, Justin Tucker giving his thoughts to us, 362 00:19:47,866 --> 00:19:51,506 Speaker 1: case is closed. Mike. Yeah. Look, if if it's Prayer 363 00:19:51,666 --> 00:19:53,986 Speaker 1: or it's Tucker, you don't even have to even ask. 364 00:19:54,106 --> 00:19:55,626 Speaker 1: Those are the two guys that can make the claim 365 00:19:55,626 --> 00:19:57,746 Speaker 1: that icing doesn't matter because you're not even gonna bother 366 00:19:57,906 --> 00:20:00,626 Speaker 1: icing Tucker and Prayer. Obviously it was good for there, 367 00:20:00,706 --> 00:20:02,986 Speaker 1: So it makes sense to hear that from the goat 368 00:20:03,026 --> 00:20:05,426 Speaker 1: of all kickers and Justin Tucker. Once again, if you 369 00:20:05,466 --> 00:20:07,546 Speaker 1: missed episode on field goal Posts, go back and take 370 00:20:07,586 --> 00:20:10,266 Speaker 1: a listen. It was awesome. But for coaches, though, ice 371 00:20:10,386 --> 00:20:12,946 Speaker 1: get kicker just one way that they can make sure 372 00:20:12,986 --> 00:20:15,346 Speaker 1: that that game doesn't go into the locker room with 373 00:20:15,386 --> 00:20:18,466 Speaker 1: time outs in their pocket. One of the cardinal sins 374 00:20:18,666 --> 00:20:22,706 Speaker 1: of coaching. Icing has become so commonplace that not doing 375 00:20:22,746 --> 00:20:25,626 Speaker 1: it is more likely to get called out in a 376 00:20:25,666 --> 00:20:29,626 Speaker 1: postgame pressure. So In Falcon's head coach Mike Smith said, 377 00:20:30,106 --> 00:20:32,466 Speaker 1: we've been two for two on our icing. I know 378 00:20:32,506 --> 00:20:35,346 Speaker 1: that somebody got the statistics out there that it probably 379 00:20:35,386 --> 00:20:38,146 Speaker 1: doesn't help. I can just speak to the experiences that 380 00:20:38,226 --> 00:20:41,466 Speaker 1: I've had and it definitely has worked for us. So 381 00:20:41,586 --> 00:20:44,306 Speaker 1: add you got one head coach that has done it 382 00:20:44,346 --> 00:20:46,186 Speaker 1: before that says, you know what, icing is something that 383 00:20:46,186 --> 00:20:48,106 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to do because we've had success 384 00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:51,346 Speaker 1: with it. Alright, Fine, whatever makes you feel that you 385 00:20:51,386 --> 00:20:54,186 Speaker 1: can sleep best at night. However, if you want to 386 00:20:54,226 --> 00:20:57,586 Speaker 1: feel like you've used all your time outs, you've thrown 387 00:20:57,626 --> 00:21:01,706 Speaker 1: everything at it, you've given it every attempt. Great, all right, 388 00:21:01,786 --> 00:21:05,666 Speaker 1: what's the supreme measuring stick? For all football. If you 389 00:21:05,986 --> 00:21:08,866 Speaker 1: tell me that it's a video game, if you tell 390 00:21:08,906 --> 00:21:12,226 Speaker 1: me it's Madden, yeah, I remember I don't play video games, 391 00:21:12,226 --> 00:21:14,426 Speaker 1: so that's fine. So yet we're still friends. I don't 392 00:21:14,426 --> 00:21:17,226 Speaker 1: know how that's possible, but all right, so everything centers 393 00:21:17,226 --> 00:21:19,546 Speaker 1: around Madden, right, Like I think about my childhood, I 394 00:21:19,586 --> 00:21:22,346 Speaker 1: think about my days in college. Just what you learn 395 00:21:22,386 --> 00:21:24,706 Speaker 1: about the game when you're hitting those buttons. All right, 396 00:21:24,786 --> 00:21:26,706 Speaker 1: final note here, because I know there's a ton of 397 00:21:26,746 --> 00:21:29,266 Speaker 1: gamers out there that are probably listening to this pod, 398 00:21:29,346 --> 00:21:31,586 Speaker 1: and I know what that industry. It's been exploding. So 399 00:21:31,626 --> 00:21:33,906 Speaker 1: how about this Madden Football the video game is actually 400 00:21:33,906 --> 00:21:37,626 Speaker 1: added a feature that allows for icing the kicker. The 401 00:21:37,746 --> 00:21:40,626 Speaker 1: data and we've laid it out. Add the data actually 402 00:21:40,626 --> 00:21:43,146 Speaker 1: says maybe there's not much of a difference, but tell 403 00:21:43,186 --> 00:21:45,786 Speaker 1: you what, in the Madden Football game, it actually makes 404 00:21:45,786 --> 00:21:48,666 Speaker 1: the kick a little bit more difficult. So and it's 405 00:21:48,666 --> 00:21:51,426 Speaker 1: just like the most Unmike Yam thing ever to say, 406 00:21:51,746 --> 00:21:53,946 Speaker 1: don't go with the numbers. You do know that Madden's 407 00:21:53,986 --> 00:21:56,466 Speaker 1: not reality. What are you talking about? They got the 408 00:21:56,466 --> 00:21:58,466 Speaker 1: players and the names, and I can drove that's that 409 00:21:58,586 --> 00:22:02,946 Speaker 1: is reality. That's how I roll. So I'm icing the kickers, 410 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:04,826 Speaker 1: add and I don't know if you would either, but 411 00:22:05,186 --> 00:22:06,866 Speaker 1: you've been around on enough people. And look, you said 412 00:22:06,866 --> 00:22:09,306 Speaker 1: this at the beginning of this episode that if you're 413 00:22:09,306 --> 00:22:11,826 Speaker 1: getting paid to play, and you're a professional athlete, shouldn't 414 00:22:11,826 --> 00:22:14,066 Speaker 1: you be tough enough to not have icing affect you. 415 00:22:14,266 --> 00:22:16,746 Speaker 1: There's the human element, which is exactly why I'm not 416 00:22:16,786 --> 00:22:18,586 Speaker 1: a fan of it. Like I I just don't think 417 00:22:18,586 --> 00:22:20,586 Speaker 1: it makes a difference. And if anything, the numbers tell 418 00:22:20,666 --> 00:22:23,186 Speaker 1: us that icing gives them more time. Not only the numbers, 419 00:22:23,186 --> 00:22:25,306 Speaker 1: but justin Tucker tells us that icing gives you a 420 00:22:25,346 --> 00:22:28,986 Speaker 1: little bit more time. I think that when you have time, 421 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:32,306 Speaker 1: you can take a breath, you can slow things down, 422 00:22:32,906 --> 00:22:34,626 Speaker 1: and if you just have to rush out there and 423 00:22:34,626 --> 00:22:36,826 Speaker 1: do it, something might be missed. So if I'm a 424 00:22:36,866 --> 00:22:39,386 Speaker 1: head coach, I am not icing the opposing kicker, And 425 00:22:39,426 --> 00:22:40,826 Speaker 1: if I'm a head coach, I'm never in a game 426 00:22:40,866 --> 00:22:43,386 Speaker 1: that's close enough where you know the kicker could beat 427 00:22:43,386 --> 00:22:46,066 Speaker 1: me in the last five seconds. Oh wow, Okay, supreme 428 00:22:46,106 --> 00:22:48,306 Speaker 1: confidence there. Well, let's play each other in Madden. I'll 429 00:22:48,306 --> 00:22:49,746 Speaker 1: be icing you all day and you're gonna be making 430 00:22:49,786 --> 00:22:51,346 Speaker 1: any of those kicks. But We would love to hear 431 00:22:51,386 --> 00:22:53,306 Speaker 1: from you guys about this, because as much as I 432 00:22:53,346 --> 00:22:56,346 Speaker 1: feel like the numbers tell one story, there's the whole 433 00:22:56,346 --> 00:22:58,306 Speaker 1: psychology around it. And it speaks to one of our 434 00:22:58,346 --> 00:23:00,706 Speaker 1: other episodes too, right on fourth down and going for 435 00:23:00,786 --> 00:23:02,506 Speaker 1: it on fourth down? Does it make sense to go 436 00:23:02,626 --> 00:23:04,866 Speaker 1: and do it? The numbers actually say that you should. 437 00:23:05,186 --> 00:23:09,786 Speaker 1: There is psychological time add time at time out. How'd 438 00:23:09,786 --> 00:23:12,586 Speaker 1: that go for you, Mike? I was just pausing. I 439 00:23:12,666 --> 00:23:14,266 Speaker 1: was like, I didn't know you were stopping the record. 440 00:23:14,306 --> 00:23:15,666 Speaker 1: I didn't know if this was like a real deal 441 00:23:15,786 --> 00:23:19,306 Speaker 1: or not. No, I'm not stopping the record, Mike. That 442 00:23:19,426 --> 00:23:21,746 Speaker 1: was the whole point. I was icing you. Oh so 443 00:23:21,786 --> 00:23:23,546 Speaker 1: it's all good. Now I'm gonna go out and stumble 444 00:23:23,546 --> 00:23:26,226 Speaker 1: and fumble to make my point stronger that icing actually 445 00:23:26,306 --> 00:23:27,986 Speaker 1: does work as opposed to trying to be a smooth 446 00:23:27,986 --> 00:23:31,546 Speaker 1: host on this podcast. I'm screwed either way. But look, 447 00:23:31,546 --> 00:23:33,906 Speaker 1: the numbers, at least on fourth down show that going 448 00:23:33,946 --> 00:23:36,426 Speaker 1: for it you're probably gonna be more successful. And yet 449 00:23:36,466 --> 00:23:39,466 Speaker 1: at the same time, there's a psychological effects surrounding it. 450 00:23:39,506 --> 00:23:41,106 Speaker 1: And I think when it comes to Ice and the Kickers, 451 00:23:41,106 --> 00:23:42,786 Speaker 1: the numbers say, you know what, it's not going to 452 00:23:42,866 --> 00:23:45,146 Speaker 1: make a difference. But if I'm on the sideline and 453 00:23:45,226 --> 00:23:47,466 Speaker 1: I think I got one last little bullet in the 454 00:23:47,546 --> 00:23:50,106 Speaker 1: chamber that might help my team win, and it's Ice 455 00:23:50,186 --> 00:23:52,266 Speaker 1: and the Kicker, Damn right, I'm calling time out to 456 00:23:52,306 --> 00:23:54,186 Speaker 1: try to make that work. And maybe some people are 457 00:23:54,186 --> 00:23:56,186 Speaker 1: calling me crazy and say, hey, Mike, the numbers sell 458 00:23:56,306 --> 00:23:58,386 Speaker 1: one story. But I'd love to hear from some of 459 00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:00,866 Speaker 1: our listeners about this. We've been getting great feedback on 460 00:24:00,986 --> 00:24:03,626 Speaker 1: social media. On Twitter, people can firing off questions to 461 00:24:03,746 --> 00:24:06,906 Speaker 1: us at a King Kabala, at my thunderscore Yam. You 462 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:09,546 Speaker 1: can use the hashtag NFL explained And if you think 463 00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,186 Speaker 1: that Icing the Kickers actually weren't, we would love to 464 00:24:12,226 --> 00:24:16,226 Speaker 1: hear from you. It doesn't work, But anyway, everybody, thanks 465 00:24:16,226 --> 00:24:21,466 Speaker 1: for joining us once again. 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