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Speaker 1: Buck Man. We got a we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: ground to cover on today's pod. Oh, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground. You talk about the Monday Night football recap.

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Speaker 1: We've have so many college topics to get to today too,

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Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? Fellas? Thankful so thankful this time

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Speaker 1: takeaway pot. That's your favorite. That's the one. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: a special UM that, as you mentioned, have been working

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Speaker 1: He can drive it. He made some plays under heavy duress,

427
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 1: no question. Just as when we come back to that

428
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 1: same word, he's a pure passer. I mean everything is beautiful,

429
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: footworks good. The issue with him, and a little bit

430
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: in this too, is just being able to get away

431
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 1: from things. He's not gonna be able to get himself

432
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: out of trouble when you have a breakdown up front.

433
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna be tough and hang in there and deliver

434
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: the football. But he just doesn't bring a lot of

435
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: playmaking ability to the table and the the negatives where

436
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: you had to but they're both red zone turno works,

437
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: so he had to pick in the end zone and

438
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: they were driving deep in usc territory. Has a sack

439
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: fumble uh in that game as well. Both quarterbacks turned

440
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: the ball over twice with the interception and ah actually

441
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 1: Donald did not get credit with the fumble, but the

442
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: bone head play at the end of the first half

443
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: to not get points and run basically what cost yourself points. Now,

444
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this and you can have the kind

445
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: of follow me. This reminds me of the two thousand

446
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 1: four draft and Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, And if

447
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 1: I had to assign guys to each, I would say

448
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: Rosen is more like an Eli Manning minuster personality part,

449
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: but in terms of pure pocket passer looks the part

450
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: does those things. Donald reminds me a little of, like

451
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, conventional unconventional say what you want to about

452
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, like man sometimes like it doesn't always look pretty,

453
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: but he finds a way to be effective. I think

454
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: it's going to take us back to two thousand and

455
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: four in the bates that you may have between them.

456
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: I just think it would be flipped where Donald will

457
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: be valued or coveted more highly than Yeah. And the

458
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: interesting thing, a lot of people have said, Okay, it's

459
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: a done deal. It's Rosen over Donald. There on the

460
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: same field, Rosen outplayed him. That's in the books. Like

461
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: I did my article that the week before the game

462
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: that reached out to five guys, all five of them

463
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: said they would take Rosen, Earth would take Donald over Rosen.

464
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: And I don't anticipate that really changing based off of

465
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: this one football game. Now, I don't think. I don't

466
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: think it changes, And I think the reason why it

467
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: doesn't change because I think there's a comfort factor and

468
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. I think when you're doing this, because it's

469
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: really a people business, you really buy into Sam Donald's personality.

470
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: You trust is Sam Donald's gonna squeeze every little bit

471
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: of potential and production out of his body and what

472
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: he has. Whereas with Rosen, I think there's a little

473
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: uncertainty based on I guess the mystery, the mystery of

474
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: his personality is he um distracted by life? Well, how

475
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: much does he love it? I think is the thing

476
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: that we commonly here And so a lot of this

477
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: in terms of if Rosen is able to surpass or

478
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: jump over top of Donald, if both of these guys

479
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: come out, will really be determined on how he interviews

480
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: and what the field is from him, the sense that

481
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: people get from him when they sit across from him

482
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: and they try and figure out how much is he

483
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: going to be willing to put in to the game

484
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: and how much will you get back from it. The

485
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me the people that say it's over

486
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: Rosen won that battle and he's he's the he should

487
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: be the top pick and he's the guy. Here's my

488
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: theory on that a little bit. I don't know how

489
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: many people have watched u c l A this year,

490
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: USC even usc as USC so even when they're going

491
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: higher or low. And this year they're a ten win team,

492
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: their top ten type team, so people pay attention to

493
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: watch them every single week. Anybody watch you see it

494
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: against Memphis, Anybody watch you see it against Arizona. Anybody

495
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: watch you c against Arizona st. I don't know how

496
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: many people watch U C l A play and they

497
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: saw him in this game is Oh my gosh, it

498
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: looks amazing. No doubt he had a great day. That

499
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: was the best I thought that I've seen of Josh

500
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: though this year. It was the best, and I think

501
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: he had some moments. Obviously, the texting and M game

502
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of put him back on the map, kind of

503
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: reminded us why they call him the chosen one. Coming

504
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: into this game, I think that's the only games they saw.

505
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: I think people watch the A and M game and

506
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: watch the sc G I did, and coming into this game,

507
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I kind of wrote, uh in our notebook a little

508
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: bit about the preview rose and had four straight games

509
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: where he had been sub six completion rate, and he

510
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: had four games where he had eight total interceptions. And

511
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: so I was looking to see if he could break

512
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: out of the slump and a marquee game, and he

513
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: was able to do that. I think the big thing

514
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: they only have one game remaining, Um, they have a

515
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: game at Cow that could give them the opportunity to

516
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: play in a bowl game. How does he cap it off?

517
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: What does he do for one encore? Coming off of

518
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: this game. I now I'm looking at his performance against

519
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: Kle even closer because your coach has been fired. How

520
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: do you follow up your performance at SC? Do you

521
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: send it in UH and splendid fashion or do you

522
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: just kind of mel it in and just kind of

523
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: cruise into maybe the draft. Like his last five games,

524
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I think Josh had seven touchdowns of five picks. Yeah,

525
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: I mean like it. It had been problematic. He wasn't

526
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: playing well up into the SC game. I think I

527
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: give him credit for the SC game because it was

528
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: a big game, as a big stage. You wanted to

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: see what he did against maybe one arguably the number

530
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: one field general in the country. But he stood up

531
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: and I think that is to his credit. I think

532
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: as we continue to get on it, to me, I

533
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: still believe it's the big two then everybody else when

534
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: it comes to the quarterback class. But there's some that

535
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: disagree because there's really a large faction of folks that

536
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: are fascinated with Josh Allen and it's gonna be interesting

537
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: what happens with Josh Allen. The thing with with Alan

538
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting is I was talking to UH personnel

539
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: executives at the game. I ran into him and uh,

540
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: just as during warmups, and I said, what do you

541
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: think he goes? Well, I went to other body typed him.

542
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, are really Rosen and Donald? Like Rosen is

543
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: a narrow guy and and Donald's kind of like frumpy

544
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: a little bit like he's got kind of a interesting build.

545
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: He's all, if you're just and he's all, they're both

546
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: threw fine, they both threw it. Well, he's all. I mean,

547
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: Rosen has a pure motion. He's he's a he's a

548
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: pretty pastor. But if you want to talk about what

549
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: you want him to look like, the guy a wyoming,

550
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: that's how you draw him up, what you want to

551
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: look like. That's that's just on the hoof. He's infatuated

552
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: with I think. I think it's fascinating, and I think

553
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: people are willing to overlook, like, yeah, but he's not

554
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: throwing to anybody. He's this, he's dead. I'm like, yeah,

555
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean I get that, but I'm having a hard

556
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: time moving. Every time I've seen him playing a big game,

557
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: he's underwhelmed. And at some point we have to get

558
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: down to where we're looking at them play and how

559
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: they play. And so he is an intriguing talent, but

560
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: I would have a hard time considering Josh Allen over

561
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: those two guys and even some of the other quarterbacks

562
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: that are available. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be fascinating.

563
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: We'll see what these guys could all go back to school.

564
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen's gonna come out. I think you

565
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: will see him, hopefully in the Senior Bowl. I think

566
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that happens. That'll be a big

567
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: opportunity for him. Um, I would guess. Look, there's no

568
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: information here, especially with a new coach. I'd be shocked

569
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: if Rosen did not come out. Uh yeah, and if

570
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: it's the coast that people are speculating when you used

571
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: to think, yeah, I don't think there's any way that

572
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: he stays. And to be honest, I think obviously I

573
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: can't push the guy out. I think he's shown enough

574
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: to intrigue the people that were going to be intrigued

575
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: by him anyway. Josh Rosen, I'll say this, I'll go

576
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: on record right now. If he comes out. We're not

577
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: allowed to say where these guys could get picked, but UM,

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: let me see here trying to think of it. Um,

579
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: you remember the circuits the what was the name of that? Uh,

580
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: what was the name of the movie in the nineties

581
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: Short Circuit? Remember the guy the robot's name Johnny five.

582
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Johnny five. Yeah, he doesn't get past Johnny five. I

583
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: don't think Yeah, Johnny five. It was a good number there.

584
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a hud chance. Absolutely, I absolutely agree

585
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: that he's going to be up there. I think the

586
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: guy that we're about to talk about, I mean, let's

587
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: let's talk about Baker Mayfield is the one, all right,

588
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: that's the next one on the list. That kind of

589
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: intrigues me because of the suspension and all this stuff.

590
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's just this buzz, this current,

591
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: this people are pushing him up. He's he's in the

592
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: first round conversation, He's in the discussion. He is the

593
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: likely Haisman Trophy winner. Um. And you love all the

594
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: competitive stuff and all the things that he brings to

595
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the table, feisty, uh, competes in the end his head,

596
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: big performances in big games. But then it's the other stuff.

597
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be suspended this week for his obscene

598
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: gesture and mouth and some nasty words to Kansas people.

599
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: What do you think about here, what do we make

600
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield. Here's the funny thing is, I think

601
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting when people make absolute statements on Twitter sen

602
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: this on Twitter and of the media or whoever. I've

603
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: seen these tweets pop up on my timeline and they say, Oh,

604
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just the people that compare Baker Mayfield to Johnny Manziel.

605
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: They're just that's lazy. That's just like comparing any white

606
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: receiver to any other white receiver. It's just lazy. And

607
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you're going you've never been in a draft room,

608
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: because you're darn right, that's the comparison that's gonna get made.

609
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna be too. This is what I this is

610
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: what I would say if I was Baker Mayfield's agent.

611
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: This is what I would tell him Right now, there's

612
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: thirty two teams. The teams that love you are going

613
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: to compare you to Russell Wilson. The teams that hate

614
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you are going to compare you to Johnny manzel Every

615
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: decision you make on the football field as well as

616
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: off of the field, is gonna it's gonna feel it's

617
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna feed one of these two comparisons. So be cognizant

618
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: of that when you're making these decisions. I'm not saying, look,

619
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel has substance abuse and all that that, I

620
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: get it. Baker doesn't have that in his background, but

621
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: does have an arrest where he's running from the police.

622
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: He's got on field gestures just just silly, stupid stuff.

623
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: It comes down to maturity, and people say, oh, this,

624
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. It's a Kenny player, Kenny no, no, no no,

625
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: that position. In the NFL, when you're in the draft room,

626
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: a player's maturity is one an important factor. Yeah, and

627
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: and I said this, I think the big thing with

628
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield the same objections that we may have with

629
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, some of the immaturish acts on

630
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: the field, you could lump Baker Mayfield into that. It's

631
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: a look unbecoming of the CEO of the team. And

632
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: when you're the quarterback, you have to act differently than

633
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: the other twenty one people on the field. There's a

634
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: different standard of behavior that people expect and demand of you.

635
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: And so Baker Mayfield the next three or four months

636
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: are gonna be critical for him to convince executives and ownership,

637
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: that he can be the face of a franchise, that

638
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: he has the maturity to handle all of the things

639
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Speaker 1: that go along with being the QB one. And to me,

640
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be right at six feet is my guess.

641
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: So you've got the size that you've got a battle. Now,

642
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Speaker 1: Look you've got Russell Wilson and Drew Brees have overcome

643
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: that in spectacular fashion. Russell Wilson and Drew Brees extremely mature, intelligent.

644
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Both guys are are preparation junkies. Both guys are steady,

645
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Speaker 1: reliable person out like all this stuff. You if you're

646
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Speaker 1: if you are lacking in the physical component, you have

647
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Speaker 1: to you have to the roof, got through the roof,

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: through the roof, And you're absolutely right about that. The

649
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: the shorter, the fewer checks that you're able to make

650
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Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, your character has to exceed the standard,

651
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and right now we can't say that Baker Mayfield's character

652
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: football character exceeds that. It will be interesting to see

653
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Speaker 1: how scouts feel about those incidents, because normally you can say, oh,

654
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: these are isolated incidents, but when you've had three incidents

655
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Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to make these bigger than what

656
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Speaker 1: they are. But when we have three incidents to kind

657
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Speaker 1: of happen in the same year, it just leads to

658
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: a thinking like, man, this is a pattern. Are we

659
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to help him get out of this pattern?

660
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: And can't he be the mature guy that we wanted

661
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: to be? And trust me, don't don't mistake what we're

662
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Speaker 1: saying here. We're not saying whether or not he's going

663
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Speaker 1: to be successful in the NFL. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: evaluation process and affecting him in terms of how high

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Speaker 1: he's going to go on the draft. That to me,

666
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Speaker 1: is is what I'm talking about here. It's like it

667
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Speaker 1: or not that it matters. Oh, it doesn't matter, because

668
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: this is basically like a a pageant. I gotta win

669
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Speaker 1: the interview, you gotta win over he went off thing.

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Speaker 1: He's done a great job on the field in terms

671
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Speaker 1: of playing the game and showing the things that he

672
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Speaker 1: needed to see. But when you have these things, it

673
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Speaker 1: does kind of bring you back to the Johnny Manziel

674
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Speaker 1: slash Russell Wilson comparison that he'll have to pay even

675
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Speaker 1: to Drew Brees comparison. Um. The one thing I will

676
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Speaker 1: say about comparing him to Johnny Manziel. He's a better thrower.

677
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Speaker 1: He's a better thrower than Manziel, but Benzel was a

678
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: more explosive athlete, and that athleticism that Manziel displayed was

679
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: nothing in the National Football League. So for Baker Mayfield,

680
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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting if he plays in the Senior Bowl,

681
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: he plays an All Star game, does all stuff where

682
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: we can really see him throw against the real dudes

683
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Speaker 1: outside of that Oklahoma offense. I think it's kind of

684
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Speaker 1: a souped up Case Keenom too, case I think, but

685
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Speaker 1: but and I think that comparison is good. It's one

686
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Speaker 1: of those that we kind of have to be quiet with.

687
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Speaker 1: Um if we say Baker Mayfield is case Keenum, automatic

688
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Speaker 1: can get oh my god, you so much better. Case

689
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Speaker 1: Keendom killed it in college. Case Keendom was a record

690
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Speaker 1: breaker in college. So we're not this in Baker Mayfield

691
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Speaker 1: coming into the year. I think I slidded Baker Mayfield

692
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Speaker 1: and maybe the third round range because I thought he

693
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Speaker 1: was a guy that had a chance to kind of

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Speaker 1: develop into that like that's kind of really where Russell

695
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Speaker 1: Wilson went. So it would be interesting if when it's

696
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Speaker 1: all said and done, and we get the measurements, and

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Speaker 1: we see him at the combine, we do two interviews.

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Speaker 1: If he's still viewed and valued as a topic. Everybody

699
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Speaker 1: that I surveyed when I was at their game a

700
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, all the personnel guys there are

701
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Speaker 1: ran into second round seemed to be the most popular gread.

702
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Speaker 1: I think that's probably I think that's probably the ses.

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Speaker 1: I think that's trying to put in the fairway. And

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Speaker 1: I told them based off what I've seen this year,

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Speaker 1: the way he's played this is obviously I don't think

706
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Speaker 1: this this is gonna affect it too drastically keeps it up.

707
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Speaker 1: Maybe it will, but based off the way he's played,

708
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Speaker 1: look at that position of importance of it, I think

709
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: he'll I think you'd get into one. And you know

710
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: everybody has a two on a guy. He ends up

711
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Speaker 1: going on the one house. Yeah, I mean obviously, because

712
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Speaker 1: you don't want to get you don't want to get

713
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Speaker 1: caught without one. And also when it comes to the

714
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Speaker 1: extra option year, you certainly would rather get that fifth year.

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Speaker 1: You want to get that fifth year option on someone

716
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Speaker 1: at about him in the first alright, A couple more

717
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: things here. This running back class is so loaded. Uh,

718
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Speaker 1: there are so many good running backs. I got a

719
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: chance to dig in and study carry and Johnson from Auburn,

720
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: and he belongs up there in the discussion. Bucky. He

721
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: is outstanding man. He's got some shady McCoy to him.

722
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: He's got some of the patients to love bell stuff.

723
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Speaker 1: He this dude can play man, big, fast, physical, does

724
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Speaker 1: a great job catching the ball out the backfield. And

725
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: that's the one and to catch and the thing that

726
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: has been the biggest thing that we've seen. Auburn has

727
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: expanded their offense with the featuring these guys in the

728
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: past game to catching the ball out of the backfield.

729
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: And so when we're evaluating running backs, the thing that

730
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: you have to have. It used to be, oh that's

731
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Speaker 1: an added benefit, but now I must have. In today's game,

732
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: your number one running back needs to be able to

733
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Speaker 1: catch the ball out the backfield. And if he can

734
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Speaker 1: run rouse and do other stuff, it only enhances his

735
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: value to the team because now everyone wants a three

736
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: down player, someone that never has to lead the field.

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00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: I put some plays on on Instagram, and just to

738
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Speaker 1: move the sticks. On Instagram, you can see some examples

739
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: of his lateral quickness and his lateral burst. It's outstanding.

740
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean he is really really he's a slippery runner.

741
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: He runs with a low pad level, he finishes runs.

742
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Speaker 1: You talked about him catching the ball out of the backfield.

743
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised because I remember doing Auburn backs

744
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: in previous years weren't asked to pass protective very much.

745
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: You see him quite a bit in pass protection and

746
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: he holds up fine and he's not a killer, but

747
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: he gets in the way and he's effective. So he's

748
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: a complete back. He's listened at six with two or

749
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: and twelve pounds, so he's got he's got enough size.

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: He is. Uh again, I was having another discussion with

751
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: somebody about this this earlier this morning. I know, and

752
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: Girly and Zeke and these guys have have been great,

753
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: some of these top picks, but man, it's just you

754
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: look around. We watched the Philadelphia Eagles play and you

755
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: see Corey Klement wasn't even drafted in what he's doing.

756
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: You see what Cream Hunt was doing earlier this year,

757
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: talk about love Bell, McCoy, all these guys outside the

758
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: first round, and this year, this running back classes as

759
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: deep as I can remember. There's gonna be with Camara

760
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: is another one from this last year. Man, it's almost

761
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: like I love Sae Kwon Barkley, I love Geiss, but man,

762
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: I could get a ron maybe Ronald Jones in the

763
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: second third round, I can get one of one of

764
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: these guys Carrie and Johnson. Where he gonna go. Man,

765
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a lot of options, a lot of options,

766
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: and if you're a team and an executive knows exactly

767
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: what you're looking for the position, you certainly can go

768
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: outside of the first round and find those guys. This

769
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: sweet spot traditionally has been the second and third round

770
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: to find those running backs that can have a lot

771
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: of six said at the right value. Levan, Bill Shady, McCoy, uh,

772
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: so many other guys, Frank Gore, all those guys went

773
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: in that range. I wanna I just want to see

774
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: if it changes, because we've seen the success that Zeke

775
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: has had. But then when you come back and you

776
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: look at Leonard for Nette, you invested a high picking

777
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: for Net, but he's been banged up all year. So

778
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: now when it comes to kind of the money equation

779
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: and the value, have you gotten to bang for the

780
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: buck out of Leonard for Nette that you wanted. That

781
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: may lead some guys to be like, you know what,

782
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to the premise, we're gonna find our

783
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: running backs outside of the first round. Yeah, it's interesting

784
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: to discussion we're taking place in draft froms around like

785
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: real quick before we get out of here. Uh, this

786
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: might be old news by the time this airs. But

787
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: chip Kelly, you see it their Florida. What's the better

788
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: job for him? For it? What's a better fit for him? Now?

789
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Fit in job? Two different things. I think for Chip Kelly.

790
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: I would love to see Chip Kelly at Florida with

791
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: those athletes running his offense. I also believe it would

792
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: be an easier road for him to get to the

793
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: national title going through the SEC East. They come into

794
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. The Pack twelve coaches have seen Chip Kelly.

795
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: Most of them have faced them. They kind of know that.

796
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: A lot of them they adopted it, adopted know the tempo.

797
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: In the SEC We've seen versions and variations of spread,

798
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: but none like Chip Kelly. And I would love to

799
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: see a championship game with Chip Kelly on one sideline.

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Nick Saban on the other and having Nick Saban have

801
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: to deal with all of that that comes with it,

802
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: and to think about the quarterbacks that he could get

803
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: just from Florida. Wow, I mean the guys that have

804
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: come from there. You think about franchois Lamar Jackson type.

805
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: There has to be another Lamar Jackson type somewhere in Florida.

806
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Lamar Jackson being at the hymn of

807
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's offense? Ridiculous. So I would love to see that,

808
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: even though I think he's probably better suited to come

809
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: to cow and kind of kind of tool and anonymity

810
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: in l A where people won't bother. It'll be interesting

811
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Speaker 1: to see. It's a It's a fascinating decision that he

812
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: has to make, and I think we're gonna see a

813
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: lot more shake up here in this college coach think ranks,

814
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: Oh boy, sec Man turned that thing upside down. Nick

815
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: Saban then fired everybody. He has gotten everybody fired, Kirby

816
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Smart has gotten everybody firt Here's the thing, though, where

817
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: are the good coaches gonna come from? I don't know,

818
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: because I think those guys were pretty good. Coach. I

819
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: think Bret billmo Thought is going to get a shot

820
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: at one of these gigs and make a whole lot.

821
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: He's making good money at Mississippi State, he is, But

822
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: but but but why leave Mississippi State when you got

823
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: to jump into one of those things. But he can

824
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Speaker 1: go nine and four Mississippi Ate. They may give they

825
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: may give him a statue. You've never been to start Vegas?

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Speaker 1: Come on, I played against him models cow Bills. You

827
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: get used to it, right? Did you play it at

828
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Speaker 1: Missific States? We played him in We played him in

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Speaker 1: the Georgia dough Oh Steel. Yeah, that was I think

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00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: it was either my first start or my second start.

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Speaker 1: I think it was my first start was at Mississippi State.

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Speaker 1: When I was in northeast Louisiana cow Bills. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: I had a solid day, I trust me. There's plain

834
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Speaker 1: days where I had did not have a holiday solid.

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Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't come out on top. But it's

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Speaker 1: close enough. It was close enough. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: out of here. We covered a lot of ground. Thanks

838
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: to our good buddy Rett Lewis for stopping by. Be

839
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Speaker 1: sure again to check out that show and National Football

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Speaker 1: Families is going to be Friday evening on NFL Network

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00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I want to say, said eight eastern? Was that correct?

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00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: He said eight pm eastern. Yeah, be sure to check

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Speaker 1: that out. And uh, you're not gonna have to wait

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Speaker 1: long for another podcast. We're gonna have another one come

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00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: on your way tomorrow, so be on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 1: And if we don't get a chance, if this is

847
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Speaker 1: the last one you listen to before the holiday, listen to.

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Speaker 1: You and your family are very very happy, Thanksgiving, more

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00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: thankful for you. Thanks for listening and catching next time.

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