1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: I distinctly remember my twins third birthday. It was a 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: big blowout at a jumpy place, and there were balloons, 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: massive cakes, somebody got a bloody nose, somebody threw up. 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: It was a heck of a good time. How does 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: three year old birthday party turn into a double shooting? 6 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: How are there sixty cartridge cases found at a third 7 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: birthday party? How does a little three year old boy 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: celebrating his birthday party end up dead? As you may 9 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: correctly guess, I want answers listen to this. Police responded 10 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: to a call around and in the evening, when they arrived, 11 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: they found the toddler and a twenty one year old 12 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: woman shot. My officers swiftly picked up the child at 13 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: him to the hospital and unfortunately the child is deceased. 14 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: The women expected to be okay, but police are still 15 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: searching for the shooter responsible. You are hearing our friends 16 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: at CBS Miami along with Freddie Ramirez of the police department. There. 17 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: Let me introduce you an all star panel of guests 18 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of what happened to this three 19 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: year old taught and according to his parents, he couldn't 20 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: even say mommy and daddy, yet not clearly. And he's dead. 21 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Elijah is dead. It's a lot to take in with me. 22 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, a former felony prosecutor now a defense attorney. 23 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: You can find him at CCA Law dot com. Doctor 24 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Allan Blokey, a boy do we need as shrink? Clinical 25 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: psychologist specializing in criminal cases. Professor of Psychology, University Alabama, Birmingham. 26 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, jacksonl State University, author 27 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet and star of a brand 28 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: new series on true crime, Poisonous Liaisons. Tyler Hunt joining 29 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: us from Crime Online dot com. So let's just start 30 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: right there. Tyler, tell me about where this happened. Wasn't 31 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: Didn't the family go to Great Links to rent a 32 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: party venue for the third birthday party? Yeah, Nancy, So 33 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: this is in Golden Glades of Florida, which is suburbs 34 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: just inside of Miami Dade County. And yeah, the family 35 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: had rented a Airbnb house. It's a rental house for 36 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: the birthday party, and i'd been freely used for parties 37 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: in the past. There's sort of a party house. There 38 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: was a pool there and that was the plan. For 39 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the afternoon was to have a party for Elijah, who 40 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: was turning four would have been this week, and it 41 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: was time. What more do we know about it, Tyler Hunt? 42 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: It was a Saturday afternoon birthday party held in a 43 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: r in a suburban area outside of Miami, Golden Glades 44 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and neighborhood. What more do we know about the neighborhood itself. 45 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: I know it was I think a single family residence 46 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: like a home, correct, but it was a rental, but 47 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: it was still a home. Yeah, it was at home 48 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: and dah. Yeah. Like I said, there was a pool there. 49 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: The neighborhood itself population about thirty five thousand people in 50 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: the Golden Glades area. But the actual house is on 51 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: an address the twenty block in the northeast. I'm looking 52 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: at it right now and it is in a gated 53 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: community and a gated home. I'm looking at the photo 54 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: right now, a very upscale airbnb the family rented specifically 55 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: for this. I think it had a pool, it was 56 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: a party house, and it was very desirable. It's also 57 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: my understanding to you, Joseph Scott Morgan that it was 58 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: frequently rented four parties. That's what it was all about 59 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: people didn't go there and stay two or three months, 60 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: or two or three weeks or two or three nights. 61 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: It was a party house. And you know what where 62 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: I've seen those before Joe Scott Morgan. I'm Hallmark. When 63 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: we would all get together for their TCA events and 64 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: it would be all the Hallmark stars. It would be 65 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: a glittering night and we would say who's the house 66 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: is this? Who lives here? And it would be this 67 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: in LA but it would be rented out for events. Right. 68 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: See where I'm going with this? This is critical Joe 69 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, as evidence goes, Yeah, it is. From an 70 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: evidentiary standpoint, this is a monumental clue. And this is 71 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: why you're gonna have multiple people that have an awareness 72 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: of this address. If a lot of people have been 73 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: using this for partying and maybe let's say, for instance, 74 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: group a Wait a minute, Wait a minute right there? 75 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: Whoa yeah. Stop When you say people partying, that's got 76 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: a lot of connotations, because when I hear hey, they're 77 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: they're partying, that has a negative connotation to me. We're 78 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: talking about a little boy's birthday party, not a bunch 79 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: of adults vaping and smoking and getting drunk and wild, 80 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, like girls, girls gone wild partying at this 81 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: big mansion. That's not what this is, Joe Scott. Let's 82 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: be clear. Yeah, but this is this is what. This 83 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: is a nice family event at a super nice Airbnb 84 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: rental for family parties like this child Elijah's birthday party. 85 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: And you're saying it's significant EVIDENTI early and I agree 86 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: with you, because either someone knew that this was an 87 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: Airbnb party rental home, or they knew this family specifically 88 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: and these guests were going to be there. And in 89 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: my mind, that narrows the pool. That's a question that 90 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: an investigator would ask, you know, how has this information 91 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: been disseminated? You know, look, you have kids. I have kids. 92 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: When they were little weeks send out little invitations, you know, 93 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: to all their little friends. It was this little cutesie 94 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: thing that you would do. And so who has received 95 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: an invitation to this? Who has an actual awareness And 96 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: immediately you can develop a suspect the list off of this. 97 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Now that's not necessarily going to be one of the 98 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: people that maybe attended the party that had been held 99 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: earlier in the day. Keep in mind, this was you know, 100 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: after eight pm. In the evening when they're cleaning up 101 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: when this occurs. But it could have been a peripheral 102 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: person that said, hey, there's going to be somebody there 103 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to specifically target. We had anybody in 104 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: this group that's occupying that space for this party, or 105 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: that's part of the family or whatever that's been involved 106 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: in any kind of criminal activity or some kind of 107 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: activity that a minute doesn't have to be criminal activity. 108 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: It could be an angry spouse or an or it 109 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: could be any nun whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, you've got 110 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: a group of people showing up armed. It's not like 111 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: you've got an angry adult singular that's showing up with us. 112 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. Listen to 113 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: this guy's shot spotter technology sending police to the twenty 114 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: block of Northeast one hundred and fifty eighth Street Saturday. 115 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: When the first officer rode on scene, they found the 116 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: three year old child who had been shot. That officer 117 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: jumping into action, placing the child in their patrol car 118 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: and rushing that child to the hospital, where he would 119 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: sadly later die from his injuries. I would say anywhere 120 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: from thirty to fifty shots. Mark and the success. He 121 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: was outside working on a truck when he had to 122 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: duck the couple people were running and we ducked behind 123 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: his truck and when people ran out, he had guying 124 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: these two trucks. Police tell us that the home involved 125 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: was an Airbnb rental in the Golden Glades neighborhood. The 126 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: shooter took off from the scene of the crime and 127 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: is still out there. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace for 128 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: those of you just joining us in the Golden Glades 129 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: residential community, a gate at home in a gated area, 130 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: a three year old taught boy is shot down dead? 131 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Why and then we understand now that forensics tells us 132 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: that there wasn't just a single shot. There were fifty 133 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: to sixty shell casings found on the scene. As a 134 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: matter of fact. Daryl Cohen, doctor Alan block Key, Joseph 135 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and Tyler Hunt, did you hear what we 136 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: just learned from our friends joining us from WPLG. When 137 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: the first officer arrived on the scene, he immediately found 138 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: the three year old had been shot. The officer grabs 139 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: a child, puts a child in the patrol car, did 140 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: not even wait for nine one one to arrive and 141 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: race the child to the hospital, where he later died 142 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: of injuries. Now, neighbors say they heard thirty to fifty shots, 143 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: but Daryl Cohen, you and I both prosecuted cases felony 144 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: cases in court where an ear witness hears something, but 145 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: they don't always know what they heard. Nancy, you could 146 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: have been a car backfires, could have been a shot, 147 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: could have been shots, could have been something else unless 148 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: you see it, unless there's shell casings, unless there's something 149 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: other than what I hear. You need more, and you 150 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: need a lot more. You do need more than an 151 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: ear witness, as we say, But I don't think a 152 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: car can backfire thirty to fifty times. Guys, take a 153 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: listen to our friends. Julie Leonardi at NBC six three 154 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: year old Elijah de France shot and killed at a 155 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: party intended to celebrate his life. Children were enjoying an 156 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: afternoon in the pool, then shots were fired. Neighbors say 157 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: they heard more than twenty gunshots. It's kind of like 158 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: fireworks or firecrackers, but it was really abnormal. It turned 159 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: out the gunshots. I'm completely devastated. I'm disgusted. You know, 160 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: we talk about accountability, When are we going to hold 161 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: ourselves accountable for what's going on in our streets? Detectives 162 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: say they'll be working around the clock to solve this 163 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: senseless murder. A senseless murderer. Back to you, Daryl Cohen, 164 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Chippic Leaf. When we say murder, we think in the 165 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: legal sense, as a matter of fact, like menzoreea malice, 166 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: aforethought mal which is the root of malignant malice. And 167 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: that's where legally the intent to do the act, shoot 168 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: the gun, shoot the child comes in. But in this case, 169 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, felony murder would apply as well, which has 170 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: the same sentence penalty as does malice murder. An aggravated assault, 171 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: which is pulling a weapon and scaring someone, making them 172 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: in serious fear of immediate physical harm, and then someone dies, 173 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: that's an underlying felony to equal felony murder. So the 174 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: shooter doesn't have to shoot intent to shoot three year 175 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: old Elijah. The shooter only has to intend to raise 176 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: the gun and shoot it toward a gathering of people 177 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: to get a felony murder charge. Agree or disagree, Absolutely agree, Nancy, 178 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: And the sad thing is the really sad thing is 179 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to this poor child who's dead whether 180 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: the person meant to shoot at him or shot him 181 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: by a mistake. The truth is this person or person's 182 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: they are guilty of murder and whether again whether they 183 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: meant to shoot him or not, doesn't matter. You are 184 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: so right firing that weapon at or toward a person 185 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: or threatening people. That is a felony, and when someone 186 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: dies as a result of it, it is murder. To 187 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: doctor Alan Blockey, PhD. Joining us at a Birmingham a 188 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, I was out with the twins last night 189 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: and my son was running into this little bedega to 190 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: what was he looking for? Some kind of a bun 191 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: with something inside of it. And it was still daylight, 192 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: even though it was about seven thirty, And in light 193 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: of all the shootings that have been happening in public 194 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: places like malls and parking lots, I thought, what would 195 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: just crossed my mind, what would I do if somebody 196 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: started shooting, or we were in a restaurant or somewhere 197 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: and somebody starts shooting. That's what parents have to think 198 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: about now to protect their children. Out of the blue, 199 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, a shooter shows up and starts shooting. 200 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: It's scary. But now, even at a third birthday party 201 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, a pool party, where the worst thing 202 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: you're worried about is somebody getting thrown in the pool 203 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: or hitting their head, you have to worry about a shooter. Unsadly, 204 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: in our country, nothing is safe, nothing is protected in anymore. 205 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: And it's true no matter where I go. I'm much 206 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: more afraid now than I was a year ago, or 207 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: two years ago or five years ago, because we hear 208 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: it every day in the media. Every day it seems 209 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: like there's a shooting like this and it's out of 210 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: control and everybody should be afraid. You know, I don't 211 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: think of it so much as being I'm afraid. I 212 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: think about what am I going to do if slash 213 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: win this happens. How am I going to protect John 214 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: David and Lucy? And I was thinking about that because 215 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: Lucy stayed in the car with me and John David 216 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: went in. I could see him, but we were separated 217 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: and there was no way can protect him and Lucy 218 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: at the same exact moment in time. And I know 219 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: that this is anecdotal, but Daryl Cohen, when we grew up, 220 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: we would I was a last key kid. I would 221 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: get off the US or just walk home on my 222 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: own for Pete's sake. And it was a good, good 223 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: little hike about a mile and get in the house. 224 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: If I couldn't find the key, I would find a 225 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: way to get in the house and we would ride 226 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: our bike Expire ourselves are together. But whatever until it 227 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: was time for supper. Now you got to worry about 228 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: getting shot at the third birthday party. I kind of 229 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: blame you, Daryl Cohen, actually, because you're the kind of 230 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: defense attorney that gets people like these shooters out of 231 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: jail so they can go do it again. You know, 232 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: recidivism rates right, Darryl Cohen. Nancy, I only represent those 233 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: who have been wrongfully charged and rightfully acquitted. Okay, you 234 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: know what. I just stopped because you're wasting my airtime 235 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: right now to hear wrongfully a keys. But what more 236 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: do we know about the scene? What actually happened? Climb 237 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace guys. A three year old top 238 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: boy is gunned down at his birthday party. It was 239 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: at an very upscale airbnb with a pool. Everyone showed 240 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: up to this gated home and the party commenced. But 241 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: how could the parents foresee that this shooting would occur? 242 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: Straight out to Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, 243 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, jose Scott, 244 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: what does that tell you? We just heard about the 245 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: gate to the home to stop party crashers being riddled, 246 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: that we actually have essentially a backstop or catch if 247 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: you will, ford the spin rounds these bullets that are 248 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: going down range. So if you've got holes in the gate, 249 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: as the reporter had mentioned, that means that some of 250 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: these projectiles that had fired had been fired. She said 251 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: that they recovered a lot of casings. I can get 252 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: into that in just a second. But the bullets itself 253 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: that that comes out of the end of the weapon 254 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: has been captured potentially by the gate in any other 255 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: kind of fencing that maybe around there. We can take 256 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: those and compare them. Remember what she said, Nancy, There 257 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: are multiple weapons involved in this case, according to the witnesses, 258 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: So that means that for every single weapon, you have 259 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: a different set of hands that are holding these weapons. 260 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: The weapons, it doesn't matter if they're manufactured by the 261 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: same people they have unique ballistic identifiers. And the idea 262 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: is is that you capture that bullet, you compare the 263 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: striations or the bullet markings to those markings that are 264 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: created by those barrels, and time back to the specific weapons. Now, 265 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the key is with this little babe that was murdered 266 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: and slaughtered in front of this home? Are they able? 267 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Were they able to actually recover a projectile from his 268 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: little fragile body. If they were, you can use the 269 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: same principle the bullet striations that you remove from his body, 270 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Take that and compare it to one of these unknown weapons. 271 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: You put that weapon in the hand, and that kind 272 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: of pairs this scene down relative to who fired the 273 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: fatal shot that killed this little baby. To Daryl Cohen, 274 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: former prosecutor now defense attorney with Cohen Cooper, Estephan Allen, Daryl, 275 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: there is also the national database as far as guns go, 276 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: if this gun had ever been used before, we can 277 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: find out mass the bullet to the gun, If the 278 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: bullets can tell us that anyway, Not only that, what 279 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: I want to find out in your mind, what it 280 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: means to you that the perps unloaded fifty to sixty bullets. 281 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Obviously an automatic weapon, Nancy. It means to me that 282 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: there was one more than one perp. It means to 283 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: me there was some sort of feud going on. Were 284 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: we going to get even for a drug deal that 285 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: went down? Oh wait, wait, wait, why are you putting 286 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: drugs into this? Nobody said anything about drugs. There were 287 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: no drugs in the home. No drugs, said the party. 288 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: This is a child's birthday party, Daryl. They weren't after 289 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: the child, Nancy. Somebody was after other perps or other 290 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: people because of something that happened before. You made me, man, 291 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: you made me, you embarrassed me. You didn't. And drugs 292 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: seem to be the root of everything. In addition, in 293 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: addition to all of the guns that we cannot control, 294 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: in addition to all of the automatic weapons that see 295 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: to come out of water facets like water. Yes, if 296 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: that weapon had been used in the past and the police, 297 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: the law enforcement had gotten ahold of it, yes it 298 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: can be matched. But I'll tell you, I'll bet you 299 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: dollars to donuts that that weapons are. Those weapons will 300 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: never be found and they will never be matched because 301 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: they're now probably sitting in the inland waterway. And not 302 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: only that, I doubt they were bought through any reputable 303 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: methods such as at a gun store or a gun show, 304 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: which we see basically traveling around the country. It seems 305 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: like every other weekend driving down the interstate, you see 306 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: a big sign for a gun show where you sell guns. 307 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: These guns are probably black market guns, and they've probably 308 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: been involved in cases before, and as Darrell said, they've 309 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: probably been torn apart, broken down, and the pieces between 310 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: here and tim buc two guys take a listen to 311 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: our friends at CBS Miami. According to police, there was 312 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: some sort of altercation out in front of the home, 313 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: so one pulled out a fire on and began to 314 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: shoot his gun, and as a result, we have a 315 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: dead three year old. Neighbors tell us they heard anywhere 316 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: between twenty and thirty shots being fired, one showing us 317 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: what appears to be a bullet hole left in the 318 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: hood of his car, and several more seen all over 319 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: the property. Investigators who have passed out flyers in the 320 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: neighborhood are asking for the community's help and finding whoever 321 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: is responsible, and I call out those subjects. You better 322 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: turn yourself in because we're not going to let this go. 323 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: That's a three year old child. That's our future crime 324 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. The person responsible for the shooting 325 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: is still out there and why it seems as if 326 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: it's an isolated event, because how could this happen? Why 327 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: are you to take a listen to our cut tien. 328 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: This is Robbie Simmons seven News. A packed memorial for 329 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: a six year old whose life ended at a celebration 330 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: for someone else's birth Friends and family of Chastity Saunders 331 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: still reeling from the loss. The pictures back up with 332 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: her grandmother, Sharon Cullins describes a lively, girly girl. She 333 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: was a deep um, a real deep. She loved lipstick, 334 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: makeup and hair and nails and candles, notes and stuffed 335 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: animals for the little girl, who, according to friends of 336 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: the family, was attending a birthday party for in place 337 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: near fifty Miami. Police had happened around seven in the evening. 338 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: You can still see the bullet holes in the window 339 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: of this car and another on the side of this vehicle. 340 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: At least a dozen evidence markers visible. Saunder and one 341 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: of the two adult victims rushed to Jackson Memorial Hospitals 342 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: Writer Trauma Center, but the six year old would not survive. 343 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: A six year old girl, Chassis Saunders dead. That's not all. 344 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Alanta Washington. It was just after 345 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: eight Saturday night when seven year old Alana Washington was 346 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: shot while inside her family's car. Her mother is now 347 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: appealing for the public's help. Alana was only seven years 348 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: old getting out of a car. My grandson is only 349 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: one years old and he's still holding on. It also 350 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: left three other people wounded, including a man, a woman, 351 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: and Drayton's grandson. Police say dozens of rounds were fired 352 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: from another car that took off. It happened in northwest 353 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: twenty ninth Avenue and fifty first Street from Florida to 354 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: Ritzy butthead community in Atlanta. Take a listen to our friends, 355 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: Rick Folwams, CBS forty six, our cut twelve. We were 356 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: just leaving Lennox Mall. I literally just left it. We 357 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: heard a gunshot like a gunshot down and then Oliver 358 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: chad In, my niece falls over seven. Wow. And that 359 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: is the nine one one call, very very difficult to 360 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: listen to. After a seven year old girl was hit 361 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: by gunfire near Phipps Plaza and tonight she is still 362 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: fighting for her life. Detectives are still trying to track 363 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: down the shooter and Maura Sirianixia eleven Listen Metro Police 364 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: have worked one hundred and fifty five homicides so far 365 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: this year. The latest victim is an innocent child. After 366 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: spending five days in the hospital fighting for her life, 367 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: police say seven year old Kennedy Maxie died the day 368 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: after Christmas, the victim of senseless gun violence. Police say 369 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Kennedy was riding in the car with her mother and 370 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: aunt last Monday near Phipps Plaza when she was shot 371 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Investigators believe Kennedy was 372 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: hit with a stray bullet, possibly fired during an argument 373 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: in between a group of men in the nearby Sachs 374 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: parking lot. Atlanta Police are still working to track down 375 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: the shooter. Sachs as in Sacks Fifth Avenue, one of 376 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: the most glitzy and expensive stores you could think of, 377 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: and a little girl gets shot dead after they leave Sax. Well, 378 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: that's in the ritzy butthead community. Now let's go to Somerville, 379 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: South Carolina are cut fifteen. Somerville police returned to the 380 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: scene this afternoon to look for more evidence and talk 381 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: to residence after a five year old girl was shot 382 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: and killed. We came out, We've seen all the police met. 383 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: Bullet holes remain in the window of the home on 384 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: Langley Drive. Authorities says someone fired into the house from 385 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: outside and while you were listening to WCSC Live five, 386 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: Caitlin Stancell, that's in Somerville, South Carolina. Now Cleveland, Ohia, 387 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at nineteen years Cleveland, 388 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: and online fundraiser portrays Mikaela Pickett as a smiley, ordinary 389 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: eight year old girl tragically gunned down while playing outside 390 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: eight years old. Man, Come on now, who would do 391 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: something like that? Why would they even come around? He's 392 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: shooting right then? And Willie Walker tells me he was 393 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: hosting a birthday party for his teenage grandson in the 394 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: backyard of his home on rosewe Avenue and Akron to 395 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: doctor Alan Blockkey, PhD joining us artor Blocky, what is 396 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: the thinking or the mindset of a shooter who shoots 397 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: blinding into a group of people and ends up shooting 398 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: a child? What are they thinking? You know, Nancy, it's 399 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: so distressing. Probably during the time that we've been doing 400 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: this show, there's been another child in this country who's 401 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: been the victim of violence like that. What are they thinking. 402 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: They're thinking violence, they're thinking attack, they're thinking vindictiveness, They're 403 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: thinking I want to kill. They're not thinking about little children. 404 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: It's a it'll disregard for life bottom line. You know, 405 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, if I could get my mits on this 406 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: case and prosecute these shooters, couldn't they tell it was 407 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: a birthday party? In my mind, this is a death 408 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: penalty case, Nancy. It doesn't matter to me whether it 409 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: is a birthday party, whether the child is outside playing. 410 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm with you. These are all death 411 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: penalty cases. Because we need gun control, not taking guns 412 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: away from all of the righteous people, but stopping these 413 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: automatic weapons from being available, stopping people from being able 414 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: to find a gun wherever he or she wants it 415 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: to be, and educating people that when you do something 416 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: like this, you are going to pay, and you're going 417 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: to pay with your life. Well, you know what, dh 418 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: Gun control in our country is a pretty tall order. 419 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: Can we just start right now with finding whoever shot 420 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: little Elijah la France, just three years old at his 421 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: birthday party Tipline three zero five four seven one tips, 422 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: Repeat three zero five four seven one tips. Nancy Grace 423 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,