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Speaker 1: and Paranormal Podcast Network, where we offer you podcasts of

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Speaker 1: the supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after

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Speaker 2: day up. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we

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Speaker 2: now know that our loved ones have survived physical doubt,

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Speaker 2: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: In the news lately, there's been a lot of grief.

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Speaker 2: There have been accidents, wars, floods, and just report after

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Speaker 2: report of deaths, many of them children. My heart feels

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Speaker 2: heavy today. I always want to put a big smile

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Speaker 2: the afterlife. And while that is real and we do

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Speaker 2: go on and that we will see our loved ones again,

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Speaker 2: there are times, believe it or not, that I don't

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Speaker 2: have a smile on my face. I want to do

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Speaker 2: my best today just to share some words from the heart,

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Speaker 2: some good reasons to believe in the afterlife, some stories,

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Speaker 2: some help through grief, reasons to believe, ways to communicate.

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Speaker 2: And however you are today is perfect. You might just

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Speaker 2: be curious as to what's on this next episode of

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Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife, or you may find yourself here

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Speaker 2: for the very first time because someone you love dearly

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Speaker 2: no longer walks this earth. So let's just talk. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Why should you listen to me? That's a good question,

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Speaker 2: especially for first time listeners. I have been in search

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Speaker 2: of evidence for as long as I can remember. It

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Speaker 2: was actually the mid nineties when I first had a

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Speaker 2: been looking and collecting evidence. It wasn't until the passing

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Speaker 2: put my research on loudspeaker when I realized how much

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Speaker 2: grief rips apart families and makes us hit rock bottom,

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Speaker 2: like we don't want to live anymore. It's a very

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Speaker 2: dark place. By deciding on sharing what I had, I

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Speaker 2: wrote a book. Didn't think I could, but found some

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Speaker 2: great coaches and got it done. So that's my book,

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Speaker 2: We Don't Die, a skeptics a discovery of life after death.

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Speaker 2: And just a few years after that, I created my

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Speaker 2: first podcast, which is called We Don't Die Radio Now.

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Speaker 2: It's mainly videos on YouTube that still exist and I

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Speaker 2: record them every week, one on one conversations with great

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Speaker 2: Of course, you're listening to this on Shades of the Afterlife,

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Speaker 2: and this is my best of all things after life

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Speaker 2: show with more of me and some guests from time

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Speaker 2: to time, but telling you the latest news, the latest research,

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Speaker 2: and good reasons to believe. We Don't Die Radio Now

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Speaker 2: has five hundred episodes. That's five hundred full length interviews

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Speaker 2: so I'm someone who really cares. I've been at this

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Speaker 2: for all of us to revisit the basics, because we

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Speaker 2: We see people alive, healthy, well, young, and as real

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Speaker 2: but coming up there'll be more reasons to believe. Some

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Speaker 1: What's it'd like on the other side, Listen to Shades

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: ready for the next story. I interviewed a woman named

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Speaker 2: Diane Calderon and she had said that her sign for

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Speaker 2: her son was seeing a bluebird, and that bluebirds were

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: not common where she lived. Now at the time, I

434
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: had been living in this house for about four years,

435
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Speaker 2: and I do have bird feeders, but I had never

436
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: seen a bluebird. And right after I aired the episode

437
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: of Shades of the Afterlife, I got twelve blue birds

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: in my yard. To me, it was just a sign

439
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: from her son saying thanks for airing Mom's episode. I

440
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: had interviewed mom. Maria and her two children were tragically

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00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: murdered by her ex husband. I had mentioned Sonya and

442
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: all these images. Well, her sons Sean and Kyle showed

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00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: pictures of themselves looking young and healthy, and there were

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: no copies of those pictures anywhere in life. I know

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00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: these days we have artificial intelligence, but this is long

446
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: before that. Also, Maria has taught herself how to get

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00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: into a meditative state and go to a place and

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00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: meet up with her two boys. It's an incredible story.

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00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: Here's a few more stories. Chris, a ten year old boy,

450
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: suffered from severe high blood pressure due to a kidney

451
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: problem and underwent heart valve surgery, which he died and

452
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: was revived. When he awoke, he calmly shared a story

453
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: with his mother. He was climbing a staircase to heaven

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00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: and felt good and peaceful, but halfway up he stopped.

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00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: He said, I wanted to go on, but I knew

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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't come back if I went too high, and

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00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: that would hurt my mom and dad. Little Chris consciously

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00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: chose to turn around and come back. Seven year old Kurt,

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00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: battling severe muscular dystrophy, faced his final days when his

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00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: heart stopped for three minutes. Hours after resuscitation, doctor Morse

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00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: spoke to him. Kurt described being outside of his body,

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Speaker 2: watching his doctor's work, and then entering a beautiful place

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00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: with flowers and rainbows, where everything was white, like it

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00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: had its own light. He spoke with angels and even

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: said Jesus was there, who stayed with him. Despite enjoying

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Speaker 2: this pain free realm, Kurt stated, I wanted to stay there,

467
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: but we decided I had to come back and see

468
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: my parents again. Eleven year old Seth was dying of

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00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: lymphoma and experiencing constant pain. Three days before he died,

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Speaker 2: Seth suddenly sat upright and announced Jesus was in the room.

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00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: He asked everyone to pray, then later shouted, there are

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Speaker 2: beautiful colors in the sky. You can double jump up here,

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Speaker 2: double jump. Just before Seth died, he opened his eyes

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00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: wide and with a peaceful look on his face, asked

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Speaker 2: his parents let me go. Don't be afraid. I've seen God,

476
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: angels and shepherds. I even see a white horse. Here's

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00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: another story. An almost three year old boy, Cjy was

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00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: especially close to his great grandma and asked to see

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00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: her so he could say goodbye before she died. This

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Speaker 2: little boy told his grandma, pointing upwards, look at all

481
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Speaker 2: the angels. They are beautiful. They are as bright white

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Speaker 2: and fluffy with big wings, and they're all around the

483
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Speaker 2: head of great Grandma's bed. Don't be afraid. The angels

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Speaker 2: are with you now. If we have children in the afterlife,

485
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: or anyone in the afterlife, we always want to know

486
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: how can we connect with them. Your loved ones continue

487
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: to learn and grow and explore in the afterlife. But

488
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: they have something that we don't. They can multitask, they

489
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: can continue to learn and explore, and then just think

490
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: of you, and they're right here by your side. They

491
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time by your side, in fact,

492
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: cheering you on, sending you love, doing their very best

493
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: to let you know that they're still around. It's important

494
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: to quiet our mind. Our minds are so busy. But

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00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: after taking medium training, we need to be in the

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00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: present moment. We need to trust we can talk to them.

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00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: We can take a walk down memory lane in our minds,

498
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: thinking of happy memories and ask them to show you

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00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: some memories. And before long you'll get the hang of it,

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00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: and you'll find when you least expect it, all of

501
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: a sudden, a thought or a memory comes out of

502
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: neware that's a little calling card from them. You can

503
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: plan time and sit with them, but you can imagine

504
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 2: yourself just sitting on a couch together, write a table together.

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: You can have your loved one walk up real close,

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00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: put their hand on your arm, or give you a

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00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: kiss on the cheek. Be in that present moment, and

508
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: you can almost feel a tingle and that's just your

509
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: subtle energy picking up their energy. We can also write

510
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: to them. Psychologists and professor doctor Matthew McKay on one

511
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: of the past episodes, got enough verifiable information through signs

512
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: and through IADC therapy that he knew his son was

513
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: still with him. He would take something that belonged to

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00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: his son Jordan, hold on to it, and in the

515
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: notebook he would write to him. He would allow Jordan

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00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: to write back. Now. I believe in the beginning this

517
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: could be ninety nine percent us and one percent them.

518
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: But in time, with practice, more and more you'll find

519
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: the words that come through your own hand, our words

520
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: from them, not words from you. I think our loved

521
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: ones really want us to know that they're still around.

522
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: They say there is no time on the other side,

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00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: so what might seem like a week for us could

524
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: seem like no time at all for them. You can

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00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: ask for a specific sign, but then pay attention. It

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00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: may come in a way you've least expected. Be sure

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00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: to journal your experiences. Sometimes keeping a miracle log or

528
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: a diary of signs really helps, because a lot of

529
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: times things will happen that you can't figure out how

530
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 2: they could be unless it is a sign from your

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00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: loved one. Unfortunately, our human minds always want to look

532
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: for what's wrong, not for what's right. So to have

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00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: a journal and go back into it, you'll see. Ah, yeah,

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00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: these are some signs that I've gotten from my loved one. Remember,

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00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: they can visit us through dreams. Doctor Janet Pete Alato.

536
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: In a past episode, she talked about the dream gate.

537
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: Before we fall asleep at night or when we wake

538
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: up in the morning, we're kind of in that hazy mode.

539
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: We can create a door or a gate and generate

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: our own dream. It's that quiet mind space that our

541
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: loved one can sit with you and talk to you.

542
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: We need to trust our intuition. When you think you

543
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: feel a presence, or you see a sign, or you

544
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: hear a voice, trust that it's them. Remember we are invisible,

545
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: vibrating the energy, living in a never expanding universe. Now

546
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: some words from motivational speaker Kim Hotus. Kim's topic is happiness.

547
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: How does one be happy with two children in the afterlife?

548
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 3: My droll on me really started over thirty years ago

549
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: with the death of my two year old daughter Chelsea

550
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: to leukemia. She came out of the womb sick and

551
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: when she was two. She was diagnosed with leukemia on

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day, and within six months she was gone. We

553
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: took her to the PDF bone marrow transplant, sent her

554
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: up in Minneapolis, and she fought a courageous fight, but

555
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: my husband and I were able to hold her in

556
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: our arms as she took her last breath. As devastating

557
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: as that whole experience was, it also brought a lot

558
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: of gifts. One of the gifts that I discovered with

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: Chelsea in the months after she died, every place I went,

560
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: I started to find smooth, white stones, little white stones.

561
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: I had no idea what they meant, but I knew

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: without a doubt they were from her. And it was

563
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: months later I was sitting in church and if there

564
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: was a guest pastor. This pastor was speaking on the

565
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: story of David and Goliath, and she said, David represents

566
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: that underdog spirit in all of us, that part of

567
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: us that knows of what we can triumph, that we're

568
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: meant for bigger things, that we can accomplish. Goliath represents

569
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: those huge obstacles in our lives, the financial crisis or

570
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: health crisis, the death of someone we love. She goes,

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Speaker 3: but what nobody talks about. Are the smooth white stones

572
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: that David uses to slay the life. I will tell

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00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: you the hair stood up on the back of my neck.

574
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: I just started to tremble and it was like I

575
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: knew whatever she said next were words for me from Chelsea.

576
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: And she said, those smooth white stones represent our ability

577
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: to come overcome any obstacle, slay any giant, and create

578
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: a life we love. My friends used to all call

579
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: me Mary Poppins. I mean, I'm a happiness speaker. I

580
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: am a happy person generally. And then this happened and

581
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: I fell into a pit of despair. And so that

582
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: was my message from Chelsea, which was really my first

583
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: inkling of oh, she's still around, she's still communicating with me,

584
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: She's still got things to teach me and tell me.

585
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: It was really after that experience that I went down

586
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: the rabbit hole of figuring out happiness. What is happiness

587
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: and what is true happiness and authentic happiness? And can

588
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: someone else make us happi or do we have to

589
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: make ourselves happier, which then led me to becoming the

590
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: happiness speaker. Over about a ten fifteen year period, I

591
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: built a very successful business. I built a million dollar

592
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: company from a kitchen table. I mean, I'd been a

593
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: school teacher and a stay at home mom. So I

594
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: built this business, and then people wanted me to come

595
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: talk about success and happiness, and then it just blossomed

596
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: into this beautiful career. So I have this well established

597
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: career as a happiness speaker COVID hits. Of course, all

598
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: in person events are shut down for two years. Finally

599
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: things are opening back up. I'm in Boston for speaking

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00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: at a USDA conference, and I'm on my way home,

601
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: stranded in a hotel room in Charlotte, North Carolina, when

602
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: I get the call from the police that my son

603
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: has been found dead in his home.

604
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Speaker 2: From a fentan al overdose.

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00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 3: It was the most horrible and one of the most

606
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: beautiful nights of my life. I'm stranded there in the

607
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: middle of a storm. I have no idea if I'm

608
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: going to be able to get home the next day.

609
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: I call my husband and then we dial in our

610
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 3: three kids individually and tell each to them that their

611
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: brother is gone. That night, I'd never slept. I stayed

612
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: awake the whole and I know Rob was in that

613
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: room with me. He had died. Actually, a couple days ago,

614
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: but because of this storm, nobody had been able to

615
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: get up there. He had been cleaned for the last

616
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: two years. He had had substance use issues for seven years,

617
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: and then he'd gotten cleaned the last two. So I

618
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 3: canceled everything on my calendar because you can't really stand

619
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: up and talk about happiness when your child has just died.

620
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: I did grief therapy. It was so powerful that I

621
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: went ahead and I got certified in the grief recovering method.

622
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: That was super powerful for me. So Rob died February

623
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: second of twenty twenty two. In March sixth, in my

624
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: morning meditation, he came through to me with Chelsea. I

625
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: had gotten the messages, but I never communicated with Chelsea.

626
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: Man Rob came through. And Rob's a big personality. He

627
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: was a tennis pro. He was the lead stringer for

628
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: the Razorbacks. He had a degree in entrepreneurship. He'd started

629
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: a pest control business. He was just bigger than life.

630
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: And Rob, even though he was an addict, he just

631
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: lit up a room when he walked into it. And

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: then Rob, I had an experience. I don't know what

633
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: else to call it except a waking dream. It's like

634
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: he was there and he said, you know, Mom, I'm

635
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: not going back into a body for a while. We

636
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: have some work we're going to do. He said, I

637
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: am going to teach you how to teach other moms

638
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: to connect with their kids in the way we have.

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00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: This isn't mediumship, it's not psychic abilities. It is just

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00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: for direct connection with one of your loved ones. And

641
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: I was like, thanks, but no thanks, son, You've done

642
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: quite enough for me already, you know. I mean I

643
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: speak on corporate stages. Oh, you are going to do this.

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00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: You signed up. You've just forgotten this was part of

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Speaker 3: our contract together. I'm not a medium, I'm not a channel.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the gift. Like I'm not the person

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Speaker 3: to teach this.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network.

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Speaker 4: Stay right there, there's more.

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Speaker 5: Sandra of Common write out.

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Speaker 4: The best afterlife information you can get.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a long Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network. Heard on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and let's continue

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Speaker 2: with my talk with Kim Hotis, happiness expert, how her

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Speaker 2: son Rob came to her in a living dream telling

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Speaker 2: her that they're going to work together to help others.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a medium, I'm not a channel. I don't

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Speaker 3: have the gift. Like I'm not the person to teach this.

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Speaker 3: And he said, Mom, that's what's going to make you

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Speaker 3: perfect for this, because the moms you're going to work with,

666
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: they're not psychics, they're not mediums, they're not channels. They

667
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Speaker 3: don't have the gift. They just desperately want to connect

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Speaker 3: with their kid the same way that you and I have.

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Speaker 3: Rob's very adamant. Nobody needs to take a class to

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Speaker 3: learn how to connect with lovedwin. They are available to us.

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Speaker 3: All we have to do is build the belief. You

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Speaker 3: don't need a class. If you need a systematic approach,

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Speaker 3: I've got a systematic approach. Let me tell you first,

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Speaker 3: how I know it's Rob talking to me. The way

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Speaker 3: that I know it was Rob and not me was

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00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: because so much of the information was rand new to me.

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Speaker 3: Rob had this big fogodot share that his best friend

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Speaker 3: had given him. So I sat in that chair. That

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Speaker 3: was the very first day where I sat when he

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Speaker 3: came through. And then it would just be like my hands,

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Speaker 3: I mean I could barely keep up. I wouldn't stop

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Speaker 3: to correct errors or typos. I mean, my hands would

683
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: just fly to me. When you're trying to connect with

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Speaker 3: your child, right it down, type it, or write it.

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Speaker 3: Because when you can get out of your mind space

686
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Speaker 3: and you can just let it come through, when you

687
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: go back and read it and you don't recognize it.

688
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: Because when I would go back and read the stuff

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Speaker 3: after I had gotten it from Rob, it was like

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00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I was reading somebody else's book. So that's how I

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00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: would know. And that's one of the things I really teach.

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Speaker 3: You know, we get signs, but what I would encourage

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Speaker 3: people to do, if you see a sign, then sit

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Speaker 3: down and just have a little journal. Now Rob said

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Speaker 3: this system works with anybody, but because I was so resistant,

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Speaker 3: he said, we're going to start with moms. Because number one,

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Speaker 3: that's what I know. I know losing a child. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: intimately I've done it twice, like I said, in two

699
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Speaker 3: completely different circumstances. Mothers, we carry our children's DNA in

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Speaker 3: our bodies until we die. We are so intimately connected

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Speaker 3: to our children. So you know, if you see a sign,

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Speaker 3: like for me it was heart Rocks, whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: a rainbow, a cardinal of butterfly, I then just say,

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Speaker 3: whatever your child's name is, Rob, I saw heart rock today.

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Speaker 3: What were you trying to tell me? What do you

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Speaker 3: want me to know? And just start to build that.

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Speaker 3: When we write, and when we can get our mind

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Speaker 3: out of the way and just let ourselves write, they

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Speaker 3: can come through. And when you go back and you

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Speaker 3: read it and you go, how, I'm man, I have

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Speaker 3: no idea where that came from. That's when you know

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Speaker 3: it wasn't you, It was someone else, your child or

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Speaker 3: whoever you're connecting with. I always say to my clients,

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Speaker 3: grief doesn't get better with time. Grief gets better when

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Speaker 3: you deal with it. Part of what I love about

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Speaker 3: the Grief Recovering method is it's seven weeks, and people

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Speaker 3: listening or who haven't been exposed to the work might think,

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Speaker 3: how in seven weeks can I heal this huge lifetime

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Speaker 3: hurt and trust me. Just because you deal with your

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Speaker 3: grief doesn't mean you're not going to grieve anymore. I

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Speaker 3: think grief is a lifetime process. But this program worked

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Speaker 3: for me amazing and I don't know if it's my

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Speaker 3: personality type. I was in such deep grief. I was

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Speaker 3: almost like incapacitated, which was so out of character for me,

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Speaker 3: because I am such a happy person. I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: spent fifteen years, I've written books on happiness, and now

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Speaker 3: here I am I don't even want to get out

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Speaker 3: of bed, and so it was kind of just a

729
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Speaker 3: lifeline that I could grab onto that helped pull me up. Now.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean after seven weeks your work is done,

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Speaker 3: but it was a really powerful launching point for me

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Speaker 3: to step into a place where I was shield enough

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Speaker 3: that I could get through the weeds and start to

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Speaker 3: do some of the other work. Our culture is not

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Speaker 3: comfortable with grief. It's not comfortable often with dealing with

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Speaker 3: the pain that people go in. So to find some

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Speaker 3: kind of group support or one on one therapy, that's.

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Speaker 2: The grief recovery method you're speaking of.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And you know what, there are therapists all

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Speaker 3: across the country find something that will help you, because

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Speaker 3: if we just think, oh, with time it'll get better,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't. I think our grief gets better when.

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Speaker 2: We deal with it. I agree completely. So how does

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Speaker 2: one find joy and happiness?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I look at my life and I'm like, how

746
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: ironic is this. I'm the happiness expert and I've lost

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Speaker 3: two of my children. I guess this is what I

748
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: signed up for. I'm a research geek. There's so much

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Speaker 3: research out there on happiness. In my keynotes, I really

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Speaker 3: talk about five distinct ways that we can become happier.

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Speaker 3: This is at work and in life, because obviously I

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Speaker 3: usually speak it for businesses and associations, and I'll just

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Speaker 3: briefly touch on those five. The first is we have

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Speaker 3: to engage fully in our lives. We've got to be present,

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00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: and we've got to really connect, not just sitting on

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Speaker 3: the sidelines. And I think when we're hurt, that's so

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Speaker 3: much easier to do. I remember right after Rob died,

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Speaker 3: nothing felt safe. I really kind of just I myself.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to focus on anything. I got nervous

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Speaker 3: about stuff that had never made me nervous before. And

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Speaker 3: so the first one is just really showing up in

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Speaker 3: your life, and when I started to wake up and

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Speaker 3: sit into that polka dot chair and be like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I am here, now, I'm safe, the world is safe,

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Speaker 3: It's all going to be okay. Just being really grounded

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Speaker 3: and present in the moment is one of the first things,

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Speaker 3: and it's hard to do that sometimes when your brain

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Speaker 3: is in so much grief. One of the best ways

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Speaker 3: to get there it's meditation, which is so hard for me,

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Speaker 3: but just really trying to make that practice of being

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Speaker 3: really present and engaging in your own life. The second

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Speaker 3: one is to be positive, and that is so tough

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Speaker 3: when you've gone through something really painful, especially like in

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Speaker 3: my case, my son was sold fit and all. And

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Speaker 3: I know there's so many shades of gray in this

776
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Speaker 3: how children die, or how your loved ones die. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: it's by someone else's hand. There's degrees of awfulness in

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Speaker 3: how our loved ones pass. I've remember after Rob died,

779
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: somebody said to me, can I tell people how he died?

780
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Speaker 3: I was like, yes, he was a fitan al overdose.

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Speaker 3: He was still a beautiful human being. I'm not ashamed

782
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Speaker 3: of how he died. He's gone period. I mean, he

783
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: was an incredible human I've learned since then about substance

784
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: use disorder. It's a disease. You know, Breast cancer has

785
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Speaker 3: like a five percent hereditary rate. Substance use disorder is

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Speaker 3: fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: So why I had no idea?

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Speaker 3: I didn't either. Again, there were so many degrees of

789
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Speaker 3: awful on how our loved ones can transition, and the

790
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: Journal of Psychology says at eighty five percent of what

791
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: we're exposed on a daily basis is negative. So then

792
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Speaker 3: you throw in a traumatic, difficult, painful experience, and sometimes

793
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: it's hard to see any positivity through the woods. But

794
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Speaker 3: when we can try to focus on good in any situation,

795
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Speaker 3: like I can look at the night Rob died and go,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, it was so horrible. I was myself

797
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: in a hotel room and I got the call from

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Speaker 3: the police, and I didn't know if I was going

799
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Speaker 3: to get home the next day. And something so positive

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00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: and beautiful from that was that Rob and I got

801
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Speaker 3: to have that whole night together. And I will never

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Speaker 3: forget that night. I didn't sleep that night, it was

803
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Speaker 3: just Rob and I in that room all night, and

804
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Speaker 3: I will treasure that for the rest of my life.

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00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: So had I been at home with my husband. That

806
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Speaker 3: experience would have been so different. You know, it sounds

807
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: so funny. I was in bed snuggling this pillow and

808
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: at one point I had like closed my eyes and

809
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: I thought, oh my god, I'm hugging Rob. I just

810
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Speaker 3: really felt he was there. It's so funny because we

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Speaker 3: were both research girls. I've read different stats on this,

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00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: but the one I go with is that our minds

813
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Speaker 3: are exposed to eleven million bits of information per second,

814
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Speaker 3: but our brains have only evolved to the point where

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Speaker 3: where we can process one hundred and forty bits of

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Speaker 3: information per second. So we get to decide out of

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Speaker 3: that eleven million, what bits do we want to focus on?

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Speaker 3: And so if we really want to find happiness and joy,

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Speaker 3: we got to focus on the good ones. Everybody that's

820
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: listening to this probably is listening because they've lost somebody

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Speaker 3: that is very dear to them. Will focus on what

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Speaker 3: good you can find from their life. There's always something

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Speaker 3: positive or good we can find in every situation.

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Speaker 2: So I would be present as first and then positivity

825
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Speaker 2: second in your five steps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the third one is to focus on what matters.

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Speaker 3: I find so many people when they have a devastating loss,

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Speaker 3: they get really focused on what matters. It's so many

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Speaker 3: beautiful stories you hear of people that have created things

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00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: in honor of their loved one, or they've changed their career,

831
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Speaker 3: they've written a book, or they've done something that helps

832
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: other people. It's like setting some goals and getting really clear.

833
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: And another thing I find really interesting is every single

834
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Speaker 3: book on happiness, and I think I've read them all.

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Speaker 3: When they talk about how to be happier, goal setting

836
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: is a really powerful point. I actually have a blog

837
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Speaker 3: on goal setting while grieving because it really does help us.

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00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: It gives us focus again. We all know, I call

839
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Speaker 3: it grief brain. We can get out there and just

840
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Speaker 3: be so scattered and shattered that we can't focus on anything.

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Speaker 3: So that can be a really powerful tool to help

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: How do we find your blog.

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Speaker 3: Kimhotis dot com. So the third one is to focus

845
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Speaker 3: on what matters, and then the fourth one is to

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Speaker 3: practice gratitude, which is so powerful. In two thousand and one,

847
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Speaker 3: Martin Seligmann started to do all the research in positive psychology.

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Speaker 3: Only ten percent of our happiness is made up of

849
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Speaker 3: our circumstances, So of that other ninety fifty percent is

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00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: what they call your genetic set point. Your genetic set

851
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Speaker 3: point is what you're born with. Some people are just

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00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: naturally happy, uplifted people at which come out of the

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Speaker 3: womb with. And they used to think that your genetic

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Speaker 3: set point couldn't be changed. If you were a negative person,

855
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Speaker 3: you were always going to be negative. They found the

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Speaker 3: one thing that can reset your genetic set point is gratitude.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful I had Chelsea for two years. I'm

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Speaker 3: grateful I had Robbed for twenty nine. I'm grateful for

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Speaker 3: have choice on what we focus on. We can focus

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Speaker 3: And then the fifth one, which is probably the most important,

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Speaker 3: is connection, which is why things like this podcast and

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Speaker 3: events that bring us together are so significant. Because it's

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Speaker 3: I'll just stay home, but it's so important. That's why

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Speaker 3: that we find ways to connect with each other and

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Speaker 3: all of those things. That's all research back on how

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Kim. That was Kim Hotus Hodus,

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Speaker 2: and she just came out with a book called Beyond Grief,

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Speaker 2: How a son's afterlife connection transformed a mother's loss into

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Speaker 2: grief recovery method. I'm also very big on helpingparents Heal

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Speaker 2: of my book, We Don't Die. Chapter ten is how

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Speaker 2: to Survive Grief. In closing, I'm Sandra Champlain. Please know

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Speaker 2: that you are never alone. There is support for you

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Speaker 2: right here on earth, myself included, plus in the invisible

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Speaker 2: space right around you is so much love. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife,

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