WEBVTT - Olivia Rodrigo Is Spit Through a Brita Filter 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, virgins. I know for you it's Thursday, but for

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<v Speaker 1>us it's Tuesday, which is election day in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope that you voted.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you didn't, you're a pussy. I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody yesterday at the UGG party, you just seca

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<v Speaker 2>really fabulous organizer who works with JVP and the DSA,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was saying that if you live in Bushwick,

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<v Speaker 2>that some exit poles were showing that the margin of

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<v Speaker 2>victory could be as small as sixty people you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got too well. I mean, there's no point as being like,

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<v Speaker 1>go vote, because yeah, it's too late. It's too late.

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<v Speaker 2>So but the thing is, if you hear this message

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<v Speaker 2>now and you didn't vote and we lost, you should

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<v Speaker 2>feel really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>You should because you were one of sixty the scum

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>You were one of sixty fagots in Brooklyn who actually

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<v Speaker 2>could have made the difference and didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that you know that that really small margin

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<v Speaker 1>kind of helps me understand why I was invited to

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<v Speaker 1>meet Mayor Zara Mundani and the the other folks on

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Socialists late on Friday night. Honey, were you

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<v Speaker 1>were you surprised when I like randomly sent you a

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<v Speaker 1>photo of me and.

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<v Speaker 2>Zar on No on Friday, not really no. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>been told from organizers that that early voting numbers were

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<v Speaker 2>really really low, and I think that they had not

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<v Speaker 2>been expecting that because obviously the DSA's ground game is

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<v Speaker 2>so good like and I think that they have really

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<v Speaker 2>really really poured a lot into these various kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like city council with these these congressional district elections and

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<v Speaker 2>and but yeah, no voter turnout among young people.

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<v Speaker 1>Was doo doo kaka. So that's that I think that

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was asked via signal chats, et cetera, do I

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<v Speaker 2>know any famous people to kind of show up to

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<v Speaker 2>these phone banks, and so I knew that they were

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting internet famous divas and q rosamu.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah to hear the call. On Friday, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>message from a friend who I think works with uh

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<v Speaker 1>Zoran's team in some way, who invited me to what

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<v Speaker 1>was sold as a dinner, which is kind of why

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<v Speaker 1>I went. I thought it was going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a chic you know, dinner with with Zoron and the Slate.

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<v Speaker 1>What it was actually was a meet and greet with

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<v Speaker 1>or Dervs. I showed up it this restaurant in Bushwick.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a line of people outside. I made friends

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<v Speaker 1>with the girl standing in line next to me because

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<v Speaker 1>we were both wearing We were both wearing head to

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<v Speaker 1>toe Asimiyaki and uh and tom Ford for Gucci bags.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like made a new friend. She's great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the the uniform for waiting in line to

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<v Speaker 2>meet Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we were obviously the best dressed people there besides

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<v Speaker 1>Queen Jean, who I got to meet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, did she have her tony?

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<v Speaker 1>She did not have her tony. But but but my

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<v Speaker 1>my friend who had invited me, when they were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to bring people in to meet, Zoron was like, can

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<v Speaker 1>everyone please move aside for Queen Gee? And she has

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<v Speaker 1>a tony.

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<v Speaker 2>She has a tony that Zoron had like a pride

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<v Speaker 2>party earlier this month, And it was the day after

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<v Speaker 2>the Tonys and Zoron you know, called her out in

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<v Speaker 2>his speech and he was like, it is an honor

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<v Speaker 2>to have Queen Jean here, and we were more than

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<v Speaker 2>willing to make an exception for her plus one tony.

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<v Speaker 2>And it literally like you turn around and g is

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<v Speaker 2>like standing there hold like lifting holding her tony up

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<v Speaker 2>with one hand. She had the tony with her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was I wish, I wish she'd brought it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had a tony, I would hold I would

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<v Speaker 2>it would be in my.

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<v Speaker 1>Purse, it would be I would turn it into a

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<v Speaker 1>bag charm like a la boo boo would be really heavy. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so we you know, we're we're let upstairs at

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<v Speaker 1>this restaurant to this like little rooftop space. We're like

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<v Speaker 1>mingling getting drinks. There's our derves. I had a really

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous oyster. And then Zorn comes out talks to us,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they bring the whole slate into this little

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<v Speaker 1>room and tell us that we're going to line up

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<v Speaker 1>and each get a chance to go in make some

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<v Speaker 1>content with them. Because yes, this was primarily like an

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<v Speaker 1>influencer event. I think there were. They were specifically trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get more young people to turn out out to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>We it was like very disorganized and weirdly I wound

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<v Speaker 1>up right at the front of the line. So that

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<v Speaker 1>worked out really well, okay, because if I if I

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<v Speaker 1>had had to wait another ten minutes, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>simply left. Yeah, but I didn't, so I got to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the whole slate, including Zoran. I made a little

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<v Speaker 1>video with them, which you can see on my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was very cute.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I had alternate questions I was going to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was going to ask Zora on team Edward

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<v Speaker 1>or team Jacob, but I liked the question I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up with better.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, you have ninety seconds ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then after I finished filming with them, I

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<v Speaker 1>did tell the mayor that, you know, my grandma had

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<v Speaker 1>recently passed, and that she, you know, had was born

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<v Speaker 1>and raised in New York and raised her family there

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<v Speaker 1>before moving to Florida in her fifties and that and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is true. She and my grandma was

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<v Speaker 1>a staunch Democrat, and I really tried to push her

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<v Speaker 1>more towards being a leftist in the later years of

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<v Speaker 1>her life. But she was so excited about Zoran becoming

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<v Speaker 1>our mayor and just what it meant for the city.

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<v Speaker 1>And I told him that, and he thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>very sweet, and we had a really nice little moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm happy I got to share that because

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<v Speaker 1>I knew she would have been really happy that I

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<v Speaker 1>got to meet him. So hopefully everyone voted and the

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<v Speaker 1>people we wanted to win one and the people we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to lose lost. But you know, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Really weird to be sending this message from the past

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<v Speaker 2>into the future, but hey.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just a it's a good reminder. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've been saying this is with the world,

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<v Speaker 1>with our countries in the state that it is. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think funneling your energy and attention into local politics

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<v Speaker 1>and intercommunity in your community and things that you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a tangible outcome on is what's really important.

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<v Speaker 1>Because yes, it's sometimes good to scream into the void

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<v Speaker 1>and be anihilist, but.

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<v Speaker 2>But mostly not, but mostly not, but mostly not. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a related and verurgeon in question. Yes, is Rania

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<v Speaker 2>a Republican or a Democrat? And and which one is

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<v Speaker 2>Alison and it and we have to pick who is who?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is I'm gonna actually try to answer this

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<v Speaker 1>question in good faith.

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<v Speaker 2>I I honestly have no idea, but you know the

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<v Speaker 2>world much better and I look.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward, I would I would say I don't. Okay, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>this is a different political system. It's a monarchy. These

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<v Speaker 1>are not elected representatives. I think because the entire schism

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<v Speaker 1>that drives the plot of House of the Dragon, this

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<v Speaker 1>Targarian civil war that is known as the Dance of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dragons, is about Raniera being usurped because she is

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<v Speaker 1>a woman. I would say that would I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 1>kind of automatically automatically make her a Democrat. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the people you know, trying to preserve the patriarchy are

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans or I guess maybe we would say not democrat

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<v Speaker 1>or Republican, but conservative versus liberal, right, But really they're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of both centrists because they just want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>like Raniera doesn't want to you know, help the small

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<v Speaker 1>folk or like you know, make grands, sweeping political changes

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<v Speaker 1>that will actually improve people's lives. She just wants the power.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to be at the top. Yes, yes, in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most Democrats as well, so that still applies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yeah, so that well, I'm saying that's because

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't think she's a leftist, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>also Raniera is. But I guess the one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>does make me feel like, okay, maybe she is like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a well intentioned Democrat, is that at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the show. You know, as we learn in

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<v Speaker 1>the first season, she is driven by this secondary motivation

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<v Speaker 1>or I guess maybe like what she sees is her

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<v Speaker 1>like true purpose, which is that she needs to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that a Targarian from her line specifically is sitting the

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<v Speaker 1>iron throne when the Long Night comes, as her father

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<v Speaker 1>passed down Agon's dream to her in the first season

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<v Speaker 1>in what was a departure from the books, but like

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<v Speaker 1>George R. Martin has kind of signed off on it,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that like there was a prophecy about the

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<v Speaker 1>White Walkers and it was passed down through the Targarians,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Varania is not just you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>become queen because she wants to be queen, but also

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a true purpose to a Targarian being

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<v Speaker 1>in power, and this the dance of the Dragons, this

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<v Speaker 1>target and civil war is what leads to the Dragons

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<v Speaker 1>dying and the Targarians being out of power when the

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<v Speaker 1>Long Night comes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I okay, like, I'm like actually so much more

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<v Speaker 2>invested in this very silly analysis than like some recapping,

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<v Speaker 2>which is often hard to follow for me. But like

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<v Speaker 2>there's also this thing of like bloodlines on Alison's side

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<v Speaker 2>and the illegitimacy of some of Rania's descendants called the Queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Bastards, which is a hat that I got at

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<v Speaker 1>HBO's House of the Dragon premiere event the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on a boat, which you famously do not do.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't do any function wherein you cannot leave immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Well or did the boat not leave?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the boat did leave, but it was for a

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<v Speaker 1>specific and short amount of time. It was only a

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minute cruise around the like Harbor, peer whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I knew it was going to be on and

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<v Speaker 1>off scinct succinct. Yeah, So I went to this premiere

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<v Speaker 1>event on Sunday. There was a sunset sale and then

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<v Speaker 1>a screening of the first episode. It was kind of overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 1>but fun. It it's always fun to watch a show

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<v Speaker 1>like that with a live audience, especially like an episode

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<v Speaker 1>like this season premiere episode, which was action packed. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very fun to be screaming along with everyone and

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<v Speaker 1>like it was basically like being on Twitter watching the

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<v Speaker 1>episode but in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were like lots of little photo ops. I

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<v Speaker 1>got some T shirts and there was an iron throne

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<v Speaker 1>you could take a picture with I was not going

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<v Speaker 1>to wait in the line for that. I did get

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of swag, including that hat and this Jasira's candle.

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<v Speaker 2>I just shocked that you got in the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I okay, I was shocked that. So they told

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<v Speaker 1>us to dress comfortably, which of course I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>I wore heels, and then I was expecting sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a doll invasion situation where there would be twinks kind

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<v Speaker 1>of helping me get on the boat. And there were

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<v Speaker 1>crew members standing on the side of the ramp that

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<v Speaker 1>I had to walk down at almost a nine degree

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<v Speaker 1>angle to get on the boat, but they did not

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<v Speaker 1>like reach out to help me, and I really had

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<v Speaker 1>to just like do it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry that sounds really unglamorous. You should be treated

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<v Speaker 2>like a queen.

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<v Speaker 1>But getting off the boat, I was serving cunt because

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<v Speaker 1>it was much easier to uscend than it had been

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<v Speaker 1>to descend, and I was, yeah, I was like I

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<v Speaker 1>was walking off the boat with Star Emersu and we

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<v Speaker 1>were we were like cleaning out together. That was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good night. It was a good episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's the best episode of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I also do think it should have been the season

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<v Speaker 1>finale of last season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best you think it's the best episode of

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<v Speaker 2>the entire series so far. Yeah, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to watch it. Not with my laptop open. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to re engage because I spent I had spent

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<v Speaker 2>like the all of last week kind of rewatching season two,

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<v Speaker 2>which is actually so much juicier than I remember, even

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<v Speaker 2>though it is also often boring and I do, but

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<v Speaker 2>I I it is like so delicious and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like really excited to watch this episode by the time

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<v Speaker 2>it came out, but unfortunately I've been balancing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of work and so I need to give it my

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<v Speaker 2>undivided attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got a lot going on, and like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily want to do like a beat for beat

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<v Speaker 1>recap that's not really interesting, Like this episode is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a big naval battle and people die. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple things in the episode that really struck me that

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to like tap in on.

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<v Speaker 2>As like maybe maybe it would be helpful to like

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe as if we're not treating it as a recap,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like we're kind of projecting themes we always

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<v Speaker 2>do predictions. I'm just describing this for virgins that either

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<v Speaker 2>do or do not watch House and Dragon to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of levels on like how we kind of approach certain

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of genre TV watching, which I think is like

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<v Speaker 2>it's fun to get a little reddity, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>what we like to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, the the thing that stood out the most

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<v Speaker 1>for me in this episode, I loved the.

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<v Speaker 2>Scene aside from the milf incest.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, well that that's for different show. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god that no, there's also milf insusts in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. Oh my god. I was thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>vampire and then but the mother's Son incest down both

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<v Speaker 1>of the TV shows I'm currently watching. Of course, Bayla.

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<v Speaker 1>I really love the scenes with Bayla and Sheep Stealer

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<v Speaker 1>the Wild Dragon. But I think the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>found the most stunning was Emma Darcy's acting as Raniera,

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<v Speaker 1>so very pivotally, very pivotally. In this episode, there's this

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<v Speaker 1>naval battle going on. Reniera wants to hop on her

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<v Speaker 1>dragon go fly into the fray, and her son Jasas

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<v Speaker 1>is like absolutely not, has the King's guard lock her

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<v Speaker 1>in her room and flies off on his dragon, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately at the end of the episode spoiler alert is killed,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's this scene of Raniera in her chambers realizing

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened, and she has changed into her writing letters

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<v Speaker 1>to write off to battle, and when she realizes she

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<v Speaker 1>can't go and what's happening, she takes the dress that

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<v Speaker 1>she has changed out of and puts it down on

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<v Speaker 1>the table and starts stabbing it and slashing it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a powerful scene and it really, to

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<v Speaker 1>me is like not to be too woke, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the reason why you cast someone with gender to

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<v Speaker 1>play a character with gender, because, as I said, as

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<v Speaker 1>we first started talking about House of the Dragon, this

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<v Speaker 1>entire show, this entire part of the Targerian dynasty, is

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<v Speaker 1>about the succession crisis that is driven by misogyny. Raniera

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<v Speaker 1>is a character who, had it not been for her womanhood,

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<v Speaker 1>would be the rightful heir, and she is a victim

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<v Speaker 1>of this patriarchal misogyny. Emma Darcy is a non binary

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<v Speaker 1>actor and in that moment when they were stabbing that dress,

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<v Speaker 1>I could just I could just imagine what from their

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<v Speaker 1>own life they were pulling from and putting into that

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<v Speaker 1>and how effective that made it. And I know we

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<v Speaker 1>like to we like to make jokes about you known

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<v Speaker 1>cis non binary and cis people playing trans people and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, and actors are always like anyone should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to play anyone, and yes, that's true, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do think you when you cast an actor who

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<v Speaker 1>has this something extra in connection with the character, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get a little bit of extra special sauce.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is that was really like such a such

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<v Speaker 1>a great example of that for me in an episode

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<v Speaker 1>that was like so overstuffed with these big, larger than

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<v Speaker 1>life moments. And then she like she has this line

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<v Speaker 1>of dialogue right after that where she says, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is supposed to I think this is a

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<v Speaker 1>quote that is maybe stolen from Queen Elizabeth where she says,

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<v Speaker 1>I may have the weak and feeble body of a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have the spirit of a king, which some

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<v Speaker 1>people are like mad about because they're like, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>call women weak and feeble. And it's like, babe, shut up.

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<v Speaker 2>This was when jillion years ago, in a non existent

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy world with dravers with dragons idiots. I also, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I I yeah love Ranier a team Ranhier, even though

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<v Speaker 2>like she is kind of an establishment democrat who only

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<v Speaker 2>cares about poor people if they can get dragons for her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think something that Emma Darcy has been

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<v Speaker 1>saying in interviews is that by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>season they think that the audience is really going to

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<v Speaker 1>be challenged to keep supporting Rnier, like it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be harder and harder to agree with the decisions she's making.

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<v Speaker 2>And it feels like it's been that way like last season.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it feels like turn turn and turn in turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Like everyone the cards have almost never felt like they

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<v Speaker 2>were stacked in Renier's favor, and everyone is like doubtful

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<v Speaker 2>of her leadership. I feel like well.

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<v Speaker 1>In world, in World, But I think Emma Darcy was

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<v Speaker 1>talking specifically about the audience and that way, and that

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the season we may no longer

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<v Speaker 1>be on her side. Now interesting, I don't foresee a

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<v Speaker 1>reality in which that happens. I also I know what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the in Fire and Blood, the text that

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<v Speaker 1>the show is based off of, so like I know

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<v Speaker 1>the rough details of how the rest of the war

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<v Speaker 1>plays out. But Raniera could do literally anything and I

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<v Speaker 1>would support her. And also there might be adaptational changes,

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<v Speaker 1>because in fact, there's a really big change in this

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<v Speaker 1>episode in how this final battle and j just Sarahs's

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<v Speaker 1>death plays out, which really kind of made the episode

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<v Speaker 1>more thrilling, even though it ultimately still ended the way

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<v Speaker 1>it does in the book. How It got there was

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<v Speaker 1>very different, and I really liked that change.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know how you're feeling about the I

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<v Speaker 2>guess what feels like unwieldy amounts of dragon fighting dragons

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<v Speaker 2>that are not as controllable or malleable as previous iterations

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<v Speaker 2>of the dragons. And then I also kind of want

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<v Speaker 2>to know about this snaky guy that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what your feelings are on this sneaky guy that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bringing a gone to deliverance, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, first of all, he got hotter between seasons or

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, girl, he's not. He's not hot at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So on the on the wild Dragons of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>So that so that is one of the biggest changes

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<v Speaker 1>the show show has made. The character Raina who claims

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<v Speaker 1>sheep stealer the wild Dragon. We see that at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this episode in the in the book in

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<v Speaker 1>Fire and Blood, that is a completely separate character, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have been upset that they were

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly merging these characters into one. It is now confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that happened. There is no Nettles, Raina is Nettles. But

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<v Speaker 1>what that led to in this episode, this big change

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<v Speaker 1>is that Raina and Sheep Stealer are in the book,

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<v Speaker 1>are not present at the Battle of the Gullet. So

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<v Speaker 1>that whole sequence where Raina flies in and is ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that Jessis ends up getting killed because Bayla

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<v Speaker 1>and Moondancer have to come in and save him, that

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<v Speaker 1>none of that happens in the book. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>very thrilling, and it almost made me for a second think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe is Jasarah's gonna survive, Maybe Baylow will die instead,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Raina will die maybe, but no, we still ultimately

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>end up at the same place with Jace dead, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's now all of these different steaks, and I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also complicating the idea of what a dragon rider

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<v Speaker 1>is because you know, in the last season we introduced

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<v Speaker 1>the dragon Seeds, who are these bastards with Targarian blood

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<v Speaker 1>who are now dragon riders, and so now we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the wild dragons and this. You know, Raina was raised

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<v Speaker 1>in these Targarian customs of these dragons with saddles, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who follow Valerian commands, and that's what she's expecting when

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<v Speaker 1>she hops on this wild dragon. Who I saw someone

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<v Speaker 1>who said, like, damn, she wasn't in a saddle her.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, her pelvic floor was torn up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I know That's what I was thinking about. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that is like, you are raw dogging it.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's like, you know, screaming these commands at this dragon,

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<v Speaker 1>and this dragon's like, bitch, I don't know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what you're saying. Oh, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's. It was kind of like, to me, the

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<v Speaker 2>all of the New Dragon writers from last season and

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<v Speaker 2>now and now this season, to me, are the the

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of the most thrilling and compelling parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the mother son incest.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I mean the mother's incest. I like incest.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so desensitized to you in this show by this

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<v Speaker 2>point that I was just kind of like, yeah, of

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<v Speaker 2>course he wants to.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck her, okay, but I watch your reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Her pussy of course she's gonna use her pussy for

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<v Speaker 2>power once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's I want your read on this, because I

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 1>actually thought in that scene, obviously Aimon t has mommy issues.

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>We saw him, uh. I think it was last season

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<v Speaker 1>with a sex worker in one of the brothels who

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<v Speaker 1>was like tree him, like she was his mom, and

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>we saw his cock and we saw his cock so clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>like there is and like you know, Targarians are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>targari and like there is some weird stuff there. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also kind of felt like I almost felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he knew in that moment that Alison was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate him. I definitely felt that, and that he was

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of calling her bluff by kissing her. I like

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<v Speaker 1>seeing like I think he wanted to see, Like, Okay,

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>it kind of seems like she's lying. Let me do

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<v Speaker 1>something really extreme and if she goes along with it,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll know she's trying to fuck with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly. On the act, the acting level is so fierce,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean in a few different scenes where there's power,

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<v Speaker 2>there's these kind of like who is betraying who kind

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<v Speaker 2>of conversations, But specifically with that one, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>really hard time ascertaining like who like it is Aimon

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<v Speaker 2>who has not much got past him? You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I in my opinion, he may be crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think that much is getting past him.

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think he is he is kind of inclined

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<v Speaker 2>to distrust. And so if Alison is coming, you know,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>at him after having disappeared for a couple of days,

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>literally like double double crossed, I mean, she's literally playing

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>both sides essentially.

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>If she she she signed away his life, she traded

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>his life for Helena's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and and so like and exactly and and so like. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but in that moment, I also am like, I mean

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 2>and actually maybe I missed a detail, So you can

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>tell me if I'm like, if this has actually been answered.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm kind of like, is she lying to Raniera or.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>No, she's being she was being honest with Rnier. She's

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>really trying to broke her She's really trying to brok

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 1>her this piece. Okay, but but when she gets back

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to King's Landing, all of the pieces that were in

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>place when she left are now totally in disarray. Yes,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>and so she's trying to do whatever she can to

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate aimand into getting out of the Capitol, and that's

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>why I think he's like, you know, he's very shrewd,

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and so I do. I would not be surprised if

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<v Speaker 1>he's fucking with her.

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think he's fucking with her. I definitely think

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.400
<v Speaker 2>he's too smart for it. And I think he'll continue

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to either play her or let her think that she's

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>playing him until he kills her, until he doesn't need

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>her anymore, and.

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 1>He kills but Olivia Cook like the look on her

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>face as he's kissing her, or like after he left,

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:47.439
<v Speaker 1>what she's able to do with just her eyes is

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<v Speaker 1>so insane.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she really gives it, like so there's all of

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the all of the different layers of betrayal are in

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 2>her eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, big ups to Abigail Thorn who plays oh My

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<v Speaker 1>Sharrock lohar Is I believe the character's name, who is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the leader of this mercenary company. Uh. She

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<v Speaker 1>really had so much to do in this episode, like

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>some amazing action stunt work, really great fighting, so sickening,

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>and I like that she's playing I like that there's

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a transactress playing as Cis character who is like has

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>also has like weird androgynous gender stuff like oh yeah,

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.479
<v Speaker 1>so many cool layers to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. I mean I don't know if you saw

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>her outfit at the premiere, but she wore like armor

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and like did some of the step step and repeat

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>photos flexing, like like doing muscle pose, and I was like,

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>her bodies, you are my fucking bitch. This is literally

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the representation that I have a pretty much never gotten

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>like that I have always wanted, Like Abigail Floren is

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 2>so fucking sickening, and yeah, her character immediate favorite.

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And she had an amazing spoiler alert death scene. If

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you now that she you know, has gone from the show,

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see what she does next. You can

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>also watch her YouTube channel, Philosophy Tube. She does really

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>great video essays about different tenets of philosophy that are

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>all kind of aimed around like sharing her philosophy degree

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 1>with you know, like an audience who you know doesn't

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>have that kind of education or access. It was a

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>good It was a good episode. It made me excited

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>about the season. I was like feeling kind of whatever

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>about House of the Dragon coming back because I was

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty disappointed with season two. But times but now I'm

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>excited again. It's not quite as it's not. I'm not

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:56.719
<v Speaker 1>as upset, I'm not as immediately into it as I

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was with A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, because I

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>think that was just such a departure from all of

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the other Westros HBO shows. But I'm excited. I'm excited.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited. Incestus back on my TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I do you have any recommendations for recapping like podcasts article? Yes,

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean I do always watch the like inside the

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>episode after I have.

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Always number one number one resource my Instagram mutual Game

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>of Thrones historian. I believe I've talked about her on

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the show before. She makes a lot of videos, but

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, when the show isn't airing, she makes a

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of videos about the book series about Lore. She

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>goes into like crazy details on Lore. She's an incredible

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>resource and with the season airing, she not only does

0:29:54.960 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 1>very lengthy episode breakdowns like proper recaps, but then she'll

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>also pick certain things within the episode and go into

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>much deeper in depth analysis on them. Thank you highly recommend.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>And you'll do YouTube or like, how know I.

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Watch her on Instagram reels or TikTok, but I believe

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>she also posts her content on YouTube. Yes she does.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at it now.

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>And then I also do like the Vulture recaps me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, fierce Uh if you watch Game of Thrones,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, virgins, like how you're feeling about the season

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and if you want us to keep talking about it

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>or if it's like because I feel like in episodes

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.959
<v Speaker 2>in seasons past of like a virsion, We've done a

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of episode recaps and sometimes the show is like

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>good enough to talk about it that frequently, But curious

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to know what the virgins are feeling.

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, give us, give us your take.

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Way in do we talk about Olivia Rego next? I

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like that to me is the other burning thing.

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's talk about you seem pretty sad for a

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>girl so in love Olivia Rodrigo's newest album, I she is.

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean sometimes this is her greatest weakness, but her

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>songwriting is Christine Like there are like kind of every

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 2>album she's put out is like kind of a no

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Skips album. Like I have a playlist actually on Spotify

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>with the first track of every album that I think

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is a no Skips album in my personal kind of

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>favorite library, and I'm pretty sure all of her albums

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>are in it.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, sidebar, what are some of the albums on

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>that list?

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's like a it's like a it's

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>quite a lot.

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Give us the highlights, yeah.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Let me give Okay. I'm trying to think of some

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>that are like kind of like what ones that you

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 2>would like either contest or And I'm also going to

0:31:58.600 --> 0:31:59.719
<v Speaker 2>try and look at ones that I got.

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I might actually be a good deep dive topic.

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<v Speaker 2>No albums, Oh my god, there's so many. I mean,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll add I'll do some of the recent ones, which

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I think are more fun, and I add them kind

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>of at random. It's not chronological at all. I recently added, uh,

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the first track of Monkey Business Pump It.

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>That is a zero skips album, and.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, there are some fucking stupid Whax

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>songs on that album and it's still no skips. And

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that's really hard to do, to make kind

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>of stupid music and actually that you still actually want

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to listen to, even when some some of it feels

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 2>like filler. It's like boppable, like that's like the Testament,

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the testament of a No Skiss album is not like

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>every single song is genius or every single song is untouchable.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>It's every single song is something you really want to

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 2>listen to No Skips. I did put in Lola Young's

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm Only Fucking myself this album. It is truly. I mean,

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I've listened to a few of her other albums. I

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>think that her most recent album is pretty sublime. I

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>really love that album.

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I put Pop two in there, agree, which like I

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>hadn't actually listened to all the way through in a while,

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and I revisited and recently plopped it in Fever by

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Kylie Minogue, the deluxe edition. I was like, that is, like,

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I know, skips banger. I think I was like listening

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>to it all the way through recently, and I was like,

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Guts is in here. Of course, as

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>we were saying Gloria Stefan's Metierra, Oh, oh my god,

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I put that in recently. It's so good, and uh, yes,

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>several Donna Summer album Donna Summer's albums. I'm like, okay, yeah,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>some Vampire Weekend and here. Yeah, I'm curious if there's

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>like a if there's there's a lot of obvious ones

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>on here that I don't even think are worth like mentioning, like,

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, Solange's true ep uh control by sis here,

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm mentioning all of them uh uh uh you know,

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Born this Way, et cetera. But sometimes that like honestly,

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>you know what it is, something that you and I

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 2>really wholeheartedly agree with is turn Off the Light.

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Parts one into Kim Petris literally her still her best work.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>People are talking about her latest album like it's her

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 2>defining album, like it's the greatest album of her career.

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I could not disagree more. I think that the album

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 2>is mostly trash with two good songs on it, and

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 2>it's all about the standard her. The standard she set

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>for herself is turn Off the Light, and until she

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 2>does something that is as good as that, we can talk. Okay.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yeah, Okay. So here's the thing. This

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 1>is not a No Skips album. To me. It's a

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>really great album and some of the songs on it

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>are not only my favorite songs she's ever made, but

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>some of the best pop songs I've heard in the

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>past several years. But it's not a No Skips album.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I do think it is a little too ballad heavy.

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I want her. I I just like am wondering if

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>she ever gonna make a happy song?

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 2>What? What is there? Tell me this the skips that

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.959
<v Speaker 2>that I kind of wanna I haven't given first.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you my standouts. You you plus me equals heart.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>That is like a perfect pop song. It is incredible.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I have listened to it so many times. Maggots for

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Brains the one that she like wrote and it was

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of inspired by Stephen Miranda Sex and the City

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So fun so eighties. The Cure is an incredible song.

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's my favorite.

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Less Taylor Swift You're nothing. Sorry, Taylor Swift hasn't written

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>anything as good as Less in a really long time.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>All everything Taylor has put out in the last couple

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 2>of years is not as good as like Olivia Rodrigo's

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like kind of like third tier songs on this album.

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Sorry. So I would say the skips for me are

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>mostly the ballads Honeybee Purple, which a lot of people

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>really love, and I just it just doesn't it doesn't

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>do it for me. Wo.

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 2>It feels like the end of the album. I thought

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 2>when it was playing, I was yeah.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, just like it should be an album.

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Ender and I was like, oh, it's the end of

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 2>the album, and then it kept calling on.

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh no, I think if this was

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>a Lord album, Purple would have been the last song. Yeah,

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the actual last song cigarette smoke, I don't really care for.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I love the Robert Smith song.

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I love the Robert Smith song as wells.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I love that there is so much. I love that

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 2>there is just like so much that she references from.

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the Cure. I also feel like I hear sometimes

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>like Talking Heads or like totally the Smiths.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 1>It's very post punk new wave eighties, and I love

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that that is my absolute favorite genre of music. And

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>there are moments on especially Maggots from Brains and You

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Plus Me Equals Heart, that literally sound like they could

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>be off a Cure album. The only my issue with

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>this album, besides some of the slower moments and it

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>being a little too sad, which I get is the

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>point of the album. It's literally literally in the title,

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is just that it all sounds a little too perfect.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>It's so polished, and I want her to be a

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>little grittier. I want that in the production. I want

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the songs to have a little more texture to them.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>They feel too perfect and shiny, like that is the

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.959
<v Speaker 1>difference between you know, listening to these songs that are

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>like referencing this kind of eighties production style and then

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.919
<v Speaker 1>actual new way from the eighties is like you can

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 1>hear the imperfection on those tracks and like they have

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>the ability to make things not sound perfect. They have

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the ability to like filter things and make them sound

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.879
<v Speaker 1>a little older. And I think this album really could

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>have used that because it's just too sanded down for me,

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and I want it roughed up a little. I want

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>her to maybe like in her last album, she was

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>really going for this like Courtney Love, Bikini Kill, like

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>riot Girl thing but again like kind of without clean

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.839
<v Speaker 1>but again yeah too clean, too gritty, like not gretty enough,

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>rather not gritty, not gritty enough. It's like the the

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>energy is there and it's in the lyrics, but it

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like what she's necessarily like the energy she's presenting,

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>it's still it's all still a little too like musical theory.

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>This is kind of it's a little too musical theory.

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a little too like kind of uh a Gaga

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 2>affliction level annunciation, what to to Do to Die Today? Yes,

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it is also sometimes and this is kind of

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like sounds like a nag on the quality of the artistry,

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's actually it's not, because I think she's an

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>amazing songwriter, but sometimes it's like kids Bop Courtney Love,

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what, Totally it's it's Courtney Love for thirteen

0:39:56.760 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>year olds and and I and I am saying that

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 2>as someone who loves music for thirteen year olds, I

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>literally love it.

0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>But that's also I mean, I think that has been

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a conversation around this album rollout. You know, there was

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the big moment of everyone getting mad at Olivia Rodrigo

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>because she wore this like little girl dress at a performance.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that is part of the problem,

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 1>is like she is I don't want to say co opting.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>She's using the aesthetics of riot girl and punk and

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>new wave, but they do feel a little empty because

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>they're that like anger is missing, the political bent is missing,

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>even though I know Olivia Rodrigo like is politically engaged.

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 1>She just announced her music festival in which all the

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>proceeds are are going to fund like women led causes

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and like, that's all great, but it's all just like

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 1>a little sanitized, and you know she's doing it's like

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 1>she doing like a Disney Riot Girl. You know, Yeah,

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Disney Channel put Disney Channel post punk, and I want

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>it to be a little more real.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing, we as a society, we've experienced

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Disney Channel post punk and liked it.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Ashley Tisdall cover of Kiss the Girl. I

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>still listen to it weekly, babes.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Old Lindsay Lohan's ultimate from Freaky Friday, Okay, long lived,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Pink Slip okay, baby Like, I like Disney Channel Riot Girl.

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 2>But I think to your point, as she's when she did,

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>she's in my opinion, I don't think she's changed that

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>much as an artist across her three albums, And no,

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she's done pretty much the same thing

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>with new added layers of taste level, but not that

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:51.240
<v Speaker 2>much to say for how her artistry might continue to grow.

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And when I think about her as an artist when

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>she emerged on the scene, what she did did feel

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>completely I'm not gonna say new, like particularly novel, but

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>really expertly and perfectly crafted and manicured and done so

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>in a way that made me miss pop punk. And

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 2>even though a lot of it is not as good

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 2>as fucking Willow, the Willow Coping Mechanism album, which I

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>think has that fucking grit and the that's what I want,

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I would want from her, such a good call out.

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I would love, love, love for her to like even

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 2>though she plays with a little bit of vocal distortion

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.919
<v Speaker 2>in this album, like fucking distort your voice, we don't

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>like I want to hear her scream, Like I didn't

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 2>come to listen to Rachel Zegler on the track. I

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 2>came to listen to like somebody who has had a

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of sex and somebody who has maybe gotten in

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 2>a car crash, somebody who makes really huge mistakes outside

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>of the romantic life. All of her mistake, all the

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>all the ways that she tries to telling herself, all

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the way she tries to be like the messy girl,

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 2>it's all just about love and still her kids bop.

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>That is that is the problem. It's like I don't

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 1>think she's lived enough life. It's like she's just talking

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>about her boyfriends.

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, tell me you want to kill yourself, Like,

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 2>tell me you want to kill someone else, like I mean.

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Get angry, Yes, I mean get angry and not just

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>at a man, like get angry at society, get angry

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>at yourself, get angry at your parents. I don't know.

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also, I mean I know that I feel

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>like this, you know, is something that music artists don't

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 2>ever want to do because it cheapens the work. But like,

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so fucking sickening that, like Robert Smith

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 2>is on this album, and I'm kind of like, what

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 2>would it look like for you to do like something

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 2>with David Byrne, or to like sample New Order, you

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.240
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Or to like bring in fucking

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Blondie you know what's wait, who's the leading.

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Debbie Harry Well, Dewie Harry did introduce Olivia when she

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>performed on it.

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>She should be on such track, yeah baby, But yeah,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean I or.

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Like she should be working with producers who worked with

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 1>those people, because I because I do think so much

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of this comes down to production.

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, and but it's yeah or yeah, it's

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>production and whatever she's she just needs she needs to

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 2>remove whatever filtration system she has on this.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>She needs to she needs to be messy. She needs

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to have a crazy summer, do a bunch of drugs,

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>get in a car accident. Yes, live some life, because

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>when you are drugs or like, I want to hear

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>her making music about like what it's like to be

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>a child star, and like how that's fucked up. I

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 1>just think, like her songs are so confessional, but it's

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 1>like she's only pulling from one well and I really

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>want the well to deepen. And I understand that she

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>is young, but that is kind of the problem. It's

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>like it's like how I'm always thinking, like why is

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.319
<v Speaker 1>this like twenty five year old writing a memoir. It's like,

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>why is this twenty three year old writing three deeply

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>personal confessional albums when like they have not lived enough

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:17.879
<v Speaker 1>life to you know, properly have like pain to work

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>through through art.

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it yeah, And I just I'm like it,

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>and I well, I also do think there's a possibility

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 2>that and this is all theory that maybe she's being

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 2>over edited. And I'm just kind of like Diva, remove

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the Brita filter, Like I want the bacteria, I want

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the pulp, I want this.

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I want the New York City tap water.

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I want the cultures.

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I want the floride milk.

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I want the raw milk with the culture on top. Okay,

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like give me kurds okay, and way give me floaties okay.

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I want her to.

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Spit in it. I want we want unpasteurized from the utter.

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>It's an that and what we're getting is spit through

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Brita filter and I'm like, Diva, make it dirty. Sorry,

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 2>you're twenty three nine.

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>When we're getting is milk. I want milk.

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, those are some wishes for Olivia Rodrigo. We uh,

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what time you have left for us.

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious if there's like maybe a thing you wanna

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>You wrote the itinerary for today.

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did. I did before we before we log off.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk a little bit about Interview with

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the Vampire, just like some top line thoughts, because I

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 1>know you're not watching it, Fran, but people in the

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.479
<v Speaker 1>comments have been asking us to talk about a little

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:40.879
<v Speaker 1>bit more.

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 2>By people, do you mean like one commenter or like

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>multiple multiple? Okay?

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I think. And then I also have some recent reads

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 1>with recommendations, so Interview with the Vampire. I have now

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>seen six of the seven episodes of the season. Three

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of them are currently out, but I've been very interested

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to see the reaction so far to this season. It

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>is much more mixed than the past two seasons have been,

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and I do understand. I actually do have some problems

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 1>with the season so far, specifically with the way that

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the story is being told. I think, as I mentioned

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the last time we talked about it, like this season

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 1>is really a different show, not just in the title,

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.399
<v Speaker 1>but in terms of the editing style and the way

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the story is told and all of this stuff. One

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of the problems I have is the first two seasons

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of the show, you know, we're being this like prestige

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>period drama, and so much of them were these really

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>elaborate flashbacks that as Louie was recounting his life. This

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>season is more like a music documentary and soles stats

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.720
<v Speaker 1>and as a character is much more you know, chaotic

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and frenetic, so we're not getting the same kind of flashbacks,

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and I have found that kind of hard, especially as

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 1>someone who really loves the book The Vampire List At

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.799
<v Speaker 1>There's so many things that we're just seeing montages of

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>rather than actual proper scenes. Like I really wanted to

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>see Listat getting turned. I really wanted to see see

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 1>list At turning his mother Gabriella. I really want to

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>see more of Lestat and Nikki's relationship, like all of

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>these things that we're just getting brief glimpses of, and

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>that has been kind of disappointing. But you know, I

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 1>won't I won't talk about the episodes that I've seen

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>already and whether or not the show changes, but like

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>up until the point we're at, that's kind of my

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sticking thing. The music is great, though, I especially love

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the song Your Biggest Fan and the way it was

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>used in the most recent episode is this kind of

0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:01.799
<v Speaker 1>music video about Lestat's make who you know, kidnapped and

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.320
<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted him and turned him into a vampire against

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 1>his will. And then the other sticky thing is the

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Gabriella of it all. Gabriella played by Jennifer Ale, Lestat's

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 1>mother who he turned into a vampire, who in the

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 1>first episode, the first episode ends with them making out

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and then in the second episode they have like just fucked.

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And the sort of theme of or this sort of

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>thing about like vampire incest is very much like haunting

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the story and Lestat keeps making these references to like,

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:42.720
<v Speaker 1>don't worry, I'll get to the vampire incest. It's weird

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>because in the books there is an undercurrent of something

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 1>wrong and unhealthy in Lestat in his mother's relationship, but

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that has been exacerbated in the show and made the subtext.

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Has It's not text incess, it's not that's a creative

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 2>they do.

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>They do kiss, but but also it's different. But it's

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 1>different though because vampires in Anne Rice's novels don't fuck,

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So I get it as an adaptational change, Like because

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the vampires in the show fuck, yes, it makes sense

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that they are having that they're fucking in the show,

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:25.399
<v Speaker 1>So in.

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Some ways it could like maybe is textual.

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>It is textual, It makes sense. What I'm kind of

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more upset about is that the character

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Gabrielle in the in the novels, she's called Gabrielle, she's

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Gabriella in the show because she she's Italian, and Jennifer

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>al is doing this crazy Italian accent. It is fucking insane.

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:51.319
<v Speaker 1>She sounds like it's a mem Mario. But in the

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>novels Gabrielle is like so trans and like one of

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the first things she does as a vampire is cut

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 1>off all her hair, and then she is distraught when

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the next day she wakes up and it has all

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 1>grown back. It's one of sort of these like defining

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 1>things about her character, about how she's this like genderless

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>lioness and she you know, tells the stat like I'm

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>not your mother anymore. I'm not even a woman anymore.

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 1>In the show, she's very gendered. I mean, she's gendering herself.

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's part of her you know, vampire armor

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and the way that she lures people in. But it

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 1>just was something I was kind of disappointed to see

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>removed from the character in the way we've seen her

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:44.839
<v Speaker 1>presented so far. So I mean, stay tuned. That could

0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>change and maybe it was just something that they didn't

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 1>know how to deal with. I don't know, but I

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like justice for book. Gabrielle. She's so

0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>fucking cool.

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of I'm just googling photos of Gabrielle.

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of books, I did want to just like

0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>quickly go through a couple things I've read recently make

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>some RECs. I shockingly have only read one Stephen King book.

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>So far this month. The Dark Tower Drawing Up the Three,

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the next book in the Dark Tower series, my favorite

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 1>of those books so far. I really loved it. Also,

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Mister Magic by Kirsten White was a good read. It's

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>about this children's TV show that like everyone remembers from

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>their childhood, but like there's no actual recordings of it,

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's this sort of like almost like creepy pasta

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 1>urban legend, and this girl who has no memory of

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.760
<v Speaker 1>her childhood finds out that she was on the show

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 1>and sort of gets drawn back into it. Really good

0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 1>plane read Hard Luck Jenny by David Sodergren. Really quick

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>horror novella Petty by Sol me Back. Also a really

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>quick corn novella that I read in one sitting Last

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Days by Brian Evanson. Similarly, I've been reading a lot

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of short books this month just to sort of pick

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:14.280
<v Speaker 1>myself out of a reading slump, and then this weekend

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I read So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison, the only book

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of hers I hadn't read yet, which is a fun

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 1>vampire novel that's also kind of like Thelma and Louisy.

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>We will be dropping all of these book titles in

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the episode description. And we also post occasionally post episode

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 2>recaps on our substack. We cross posts on our substacks,

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 2>so if you are looking to get into the reading

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.040
<v Speaker 2>list that Rose has, it'll all be there.

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's us. I think that's it for

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<v Speaker 1>us today. We will be back next week, potentially with

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 1>an episode from Fire Island. Yeah, yeah, we will. And

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