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Speaker 1: is all ball. We got a lot to get to

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Speaker 1: in today's episode. Um, I have promised you college basketball

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Speaker 1: yack and talk for a long time, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of it. And I should tell

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Speaker 1: you that as you downloaded, and you probably already know this.

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Speaker 1: Jack Easterby is our guest today. Uh. Jack is he's

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Speaker 1: kind of a I want to say, mystical mythical figure

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Speaker 1: who of course rose to prominence in helping run the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans um over the past couple of years. That

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Speaker 1: journey is a unique one as a college basketball player

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Speaker 1: and golfer at a small school South Carolina. So how

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Speaker 1: espec to see with such a strong kind of religious,

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Speaker 1: get to that. Uh. Look, a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: that it in fact is not just because Purdue lost

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Speaker 1: what you would call a bizarre upset. The Northwestern one

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Speaker 1: wasn't bizarre, but it was in fact an upset. Going

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Speaker 1: back to Super Bowl Sunday, but it's a year where

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Speaker 1: there's no clear dominant favorite team. I think Alabama is

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Speaker 1: the most likely. And then you stop and thinking about

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Speaker 1: The less in in many ways is a couple of

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Speaker 1: recruiting obviously a big part of it. But bringing Sears back,

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Speaker 1: then you know they get lucky with quitterly unluckily hurting

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Speaker 1: that's the best team in college basketball. Their number one

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Speaker 1: for a reason. All those things make total sense to me.

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Speaker 1: But it hasn't been a bumpless road, and it's really

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Speaker 1: that in episodes to come. The Big Twelve, I still

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Speaker 1: will be we'll give you more basketball pinionated content in

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Speaker 1: episodes accoup. But let's catch up with Jack Easterby. If

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Speaker 1: you google Jack Easterby, it doesn't tell you this story.

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Speaker 1: What's his background? How did he fall in love with sports?

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Speaker 1: and a golfer. It's all in here. Here's part one

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Speaker 1: to the start. Okay, but it is Super Bowl week

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Speaker 1: UM came to Columbia. UM, I guess four or five

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Speaker 1: years before I started playing in high school and started

428
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Speaker 1: playing varsity as a sophomore. UM. And guys, we we

429
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: were pretty competitive, made the playoffs every year. UM and

430
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: he was just a great man. Loved us, worked us. UM,

431
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: we pressed full court. Uh. You know, we had a

432
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: pretty good uh vibe at the games, you know, sold out.

433
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I'd say it was a smaller gym probably, you know,

434
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred to a thousand people in the gym. UM

435
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: competed every week. Didn't have anybody who ever blew us out,

436
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: um and uh don Bell though great, you know went

437
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: to camp. You know you probably remember those days, right,

438
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: traveling in the bus. Uh six I always say we

439
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: went sixteen passenger van with sixteen passengers the worst when

440
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: you know legs you're touching, that's like I but I

441
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: like that. Um. So, what was your mom's influence on

442
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: college and your thoughts on college? Because I just you

443
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: know my you know, my my parents both went to

444
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: and graduated from college, and so it wasn't like in

445
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: my house, there wasn't really a question about it, right

446
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: you're it was what college you're going to? And could

447
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: you get a college scholarship? So that was really my

448
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: my sole focus from about right before I entered high

449
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: school on my brother and sister. I went to school

450
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: at U c l A. My sister was a cheerleader.

451
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: My brother turned down like low level scholarship offers, and

452
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: then I went to Drake. But for me, it was like,

453
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: I just I want to be a college basketball player. Um,

454
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: you're in high school. What was your focus like in

455
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: terms of college? Yeah? So, uh, probably similar to some others. Uh,

456
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, obviously wanted to play college athletics, you know,

457
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: so many times when you're in middle school and high school.

458
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: College athletes and still do to this day. They're the

459
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: heroes of the community. Right, so you look up to

460
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: you you're in a college town, so of course that's

461
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: exactly right, like you know, getting to know then you

462
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: may remember this South Carolina had a really good basketball

463
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: team right one to I think there was a two

464
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: seat overall loss to Coppin State in the first um

465
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: you know Larry Davis, Melvin Watson. So I wanted to

466
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: go play college basketball and new probably wasn't good enough

467
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: to play, uh you know, a bigger school, but had

468
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: always wanted to do that. I also played golf, and

469
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: so kind of what happened was, um, you know, had

470
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: some small college offers um out of state and uh

471
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: in state, and that region has a ton of liberal

472
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: arts small colleges, right you know, from you know Wawford

473
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: to firm and to you know College of Charleston and

474
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: are all pretty good in sports, pretty good in basketball,

475
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: and so um you know, it was visited all those

476
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Speaker 1: and then my senior year actually into my junior year,

477
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Speaker 1: into my senior year, I actually had some pretty good

478
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: decent results. Uh in my spring golf seasons and so

479
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: started popping up kind of this weird opportunity to play

480
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: both in college, which was obviously a rare thing. And so, UM,

481
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: Newberry College, out of the blue, UM calls me about

482
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: halfway through my senior year and says, hey, come up

483
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: you know um and uh, come visit. We want to

484
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: make you an offer and and talk to you a

485
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: little bit about coming here. So my mom, being the

486
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: financial wizard that she was, as soon as they said

487
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: that the math was gonna be uh you know we

488
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: were gonna be in the black for the easterby family

489
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: going up to Newberry, it was like, hey, you know,

490
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: this is probably where you're going. So we went up there, visited,

491
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: was blessed to play both sports there and and really

492
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Speaker 1: enjoyed that. And she was she was instrumental because I

493
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: think what she said was, you know, a cheats to

494
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: play boat sports obviously to not go in debt, but

495
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: also to um be able to not be too far

496
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: from home. And she knew I needed to, you know,

497
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: stay connected with my family and friends that I had

498
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: made there in Colombia. Um, so what's what's what's Newberry? Like?

499
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: How how small? What what's the town, like very small,

500
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: very small, so I probably wouldn't be great on demographic numbers.

501
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Now it's been awhile since I've been there, but very small,

502
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: very small college. Actually, I would say my college was

503
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: probably small at my high school. So Newberry was probably

504
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: right out of thousand when I got there. Most everybody's

505
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: an athlete, so four hundred and something athletes. Uh did

506
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: have football South Atlantic Conference. Um. I think there's probably

507
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: fifteen seventeen sports. Um. They're originally a Lutheran UH institution

508
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: founded by the Lutheran Church of America. Um. Yes, fraternity

509
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: sorority life. Um, you know, everybody knows everybody in the cafeteria. Um.

510
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Speaker 1: You know basically, uh, you know, small knowledge uh in

511
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: rural South Carolina. So uh, the golf element to it,

512
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: it's it's such a different thinking man's sport as opposed

513
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: to basketball, which it takes it takes thinking right, but

514
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: it's also a lot of its kind of reactionary. So

515
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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me is, like you learn about people

516
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: and how they process things. Um, how are you able

517
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: to process the stress of golf? That that's the big thing, right,

518
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I Mean, obviously you have to have the skill and

519
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: the and and repeat the skill. But it takes a

520
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: special kind of human being to be able to process

521
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: the stress while thinking and executing your plan. What what was? What?

522
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: How do you have that ability? What do you do

523
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: in order to process the element of stress and still

524
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: be open form? You know, it's that's a great question

525
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: because and let me brag on basketball players just for

526
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Speaker 1: a second. And I know you know this is and

527
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: and you know fast forward and I'll come backwards. Is

528
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, I probably didn't realize until I sat in

529
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: my first New England Patriots team meeting how many different

530
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: um situational events happen in a basketball game, UM in

531
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Speaker 1: relationship to how many different things throughout the game have

532
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: to have special application. You know, for example, an out

533
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: of bounds play, well, an out of bounce play, you know,

534
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: if it's on one side of the floor is different

535
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: than an out of bounds play on a different side

536
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: of floor. Right, And so that's a simple thing, right,

537
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: sideline out of bounds uh is different at the end

538
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: of the shot clock than it is in the middle

539
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: of shot clock. Right. And so if you just take

540
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: a list and you go through all those different scenarios, right,

541
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: and then you take that unlet's say cross pollinate that

542
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: same analysis into football. You would see, Okay, well, if

543
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: we have one time out and we're starting a two

544
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: minute drive, right, that's one sense to set a certain stance.

545
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: We have two time outs, that's a whole that's different set. Right.

546
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: We have a kicker that can hit from fifty plus right,

547
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: that's one set us. We have a kicker who's missed

548
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: too right in the first and we're trying to get

549
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: him to the you know, twenty five yard line. That's

550
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: a whole different set. And so one of the things

551
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: that's very interesting is I don't think I realized until

552
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: I got to New England because Bill was such a

553
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: mastermind on situational football, how many things I learned growing

554
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: up playing two sports at the same time, changing those demographics,

555
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: right from different demographics kind of you know in basketball

556
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and uh, inner city basketball in Columbia, South Carolina, and

557
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: then obviously you know some of the different people that

558
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: you meet through the golf community, um, and then also

559
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the games themselves. Right, So you know, I didn't hit

560
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: the fairway off down right, So you're in the rough,

561
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to play, Okay, do I lay this ball? Up,

562
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: do I go for it? You know? Do I um,

563
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that I you know, take double

564
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: out of out of play. Uh. And then the same

565
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: thing with basketball is you know, moment to moments, so

566
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: the speed of them are different. But I would kill

567
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: basketball short from the standpoint of the cognitive flexibility. Uh,

568
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: that's demanded of that game. It's a great point, you know.

569
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I had to I had to talk with Phil Simms once.

570
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: It was it was early on when I started working

571
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: at CBS, and he goes, I said something in regards

572
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: to football, and I was, I'm a big I don't

573
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: know if you're this way. I asked a lot of questions,

574
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: especially of people who I respect their opinion, and I

575
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of learned like real NFL football. When I was

576
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: at ESPN, I had a show is four to seven

577
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: and on Mondays, Rick Spielman would come in and and

578
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: he'd have this gigantic salad and he'd do it. He

579
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: would do a he would do a segment with me,

580
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: and he would kind of hide out because like back

581
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: in those days, the ESPN, ESPN News was constantly had

582
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: different shows, and he would just say like, hey, I'm

583
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: doing radio. I can't and then Tim Hassebac would come

584
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: in and he would do and then we'd go and

585
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: we watched the Monday night football game together, and then

586
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: Tim would basically show me like, Okay, this is actually

587
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: what where the ball is supposed to go, like it's

588
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: op it and we watch it and I had you know,

589
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: it's like it's like watching a basketball game with me.

590
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: It's it's very different, very different experience. And I'm sure

591
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: you had that at an even higher level when you

592
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: got to England. But but the part that that I found,

593
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: um I thought that Phil Simms got and most athletes get,

594
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: is you mentioned the cognitive ability, like sports do really translate,

595
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't know nearly the level of

596
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: detail that a football player understands, especially a quarterback or

597
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: a safety, because they can see the whole field, they

598
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: can process it. But there's still a lot of parallels,

599
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's like you can point out

600
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: about Bill and Patrick Chung, right, hybrid players were players

601
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: were so we're talking about basketball, positionless basketball. That's the

602
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that's the new Asian football, which, by the way, it's

603
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of one of the things that Bill was able

604
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: to bring. They weren't a three or four team and

605
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: they want a four three team. They just play defense

606
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: and they based upon their matchups and their personnel groupics. Right,

607
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: So I agree with you that there's these things that

608
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: carry over. Um. Okay, So what does that experience like

609
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: to playing two very different sports in college at the

610
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: same time, Like, how does how does that even work? Well?

611
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: So I would say it was extremely difficult from a

612
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: logistical perspective, right because um uh, fortunately enough, Um, the

613
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: summer golf schedule would really transition. So the amateur golf

614
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: schedule in South Carolina and around the country really is

615
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: June July, um, you know the US amateurs later in

616
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: the summer, and so everyone's kind of shooting for that.

617
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: And then, uh, the college golf schedule starts as soon

618
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: as you get back to school. So while the basketball

619
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: team is running and lifting, um, I would go to

620
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: their running and lifting early in the morning, and then

621
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: when they were just shooting and things in the afternoon,

622
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I'd get the golf course. And so then we would

623
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: usually play three or are four tournaments um in the fall. Uh.

624
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: So we would usually play, you know, a tournament right

625
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: when we get back to school, maybe a tournament later

626
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: in September, maybe two in October. What we were usually done,

627
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: uh somewhere in the middle of October with golf. And

628
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: so golf was actually a two semester sport, partly in

629
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: the fall and partly in the spring. Now, the cool

630
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: thing about the way the rules work then, and you

631
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: probably remember these rules, is there were very distinct dates

632
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: that you could practice winter sports and so, um, there

633
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: was never any basketball practice before. You know, I thought,

634
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe October fifteenth, and so I

635
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: was blessed because I would really be able to train

636
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: with the basketball team but then perform with the golf team.

637
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: So I was doing a lot of the physical stuff

638
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: with them, and then I would obviously perform the golf team.

639
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: So and it was before golf did a ton of

640
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: the workout stuff that now is real popular with golf, right,

641
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: Um that obviously Tiger has made so popular from a

642
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: physical uh fitness protective So anyway, yeah, so I did.

643
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I did the kind of the double whammy, and then

644
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: what would happen was when I would go into um

645
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: and the basketball naturally, it was a time off for

646
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: golf because you know, the weather is not as good

647
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: in November and December, so you've got a lot of

648
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: rain and um, you know, cold weather, and so people

649
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: aren't playing as much golf, and so what I would

650
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: try to do during basketball season is just really just

651
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: short game stuff, right, a lot of putting and chipping

652
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: on off days, um and potentially like the day after

653
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: a game, you know, we play a game, we go

654
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: play Kataba College or something on a Saturday, and then

655
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: we'd be off from the from the basketball team on

656
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: that next Sunday and I would go out to the

657
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: golf course, um, putting chip and play maybe play eighteen

658
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: um and experience you know, just kind of making sure

659
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: club is in my hand uh during the week. And

660
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: so uh it was a really uh challenge logistically, but

661
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: it was a blessing. I mean, it was the best

662
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: time in my life to sports in college, get that

663
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: many teammates, to get to know that many different people,

664
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: to go those that many places. Um, guys, we were

665
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: able to go to the West Coast and playing golf

666
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: tournaments up and down the East Coast, and then with

667
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: basketball obviously played tons of different you know, historic venues, um.

668
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: And you know, we had some success in both sports.

669
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: By the time we were wrapping up their Newberry, enjoyed

670
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: every minute of it. So you you get done playing

671
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: in college and what what what was the plan? What?

672
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: What do you think? This is not what you did?

673
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: What was your plan coming out? Well, I would say

674
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: just like you. I mean, when you're a part of

675
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: team sports, right your whole life, you craved to be

676
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: around a team, right. You crave that that, you know,

677
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: making fun of each other in the locker room. You

678
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: crave that, you know, getting in a bus and going

679
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: somewhere and trying to achieve a mission. And so for me, um,

680
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I got back to Columbia, South Carolina, had

681
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: interned with the Jacksonville Jaguars and Salary Cap administration, uh,

682
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: and done some things in the two thousand four summer,

683
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and was blussed to have some mentors in that organization.

684
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: It showed me a lot of different aspects of the business, um,

685
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, both in previous summers and then formally in

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: two thousand four, like like who like who and and

687
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: they don't have to be known commodities. Who are these

688
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: people who are mentoring you, are helping you when you're

689
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: with the Jacks? So yeah, so uh, the salary Cap

690
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: was very interesting. Tim Walsh was. He's actually still there.

691
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: He was. Uh, their salary cap director, Paul Vance was there.

692
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Um Shack was the GM UM and this was kind

693
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: of transition. Wayne Weaver was the owner there in Jacksonville

694
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: at the time, UM, who was obviously a hero to

695
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: that community for bringing that team to Jacksonville. UM. That

696
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: story is so cool to study. UM. Not that dissimilar

697
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: to you know, the mcnaires and how great they were

698
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: to bring Paul to Houston. But anyway, Tim Walsh helped

699
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: teach me the academics. I'll never forget Tim Walsh through

700
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: a contract on my desk uh and said hey, study this. Uh.

701
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: And I want to say it was maybe David Garrard

702
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: or Reggie Williams are one of those guys that was

703
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: popular back in the day. And I remember looking at

704
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: it and not knowing what I was even looking at

705
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: from a language perspective. So so what is so? What

706
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: is that? So? What is that like? Okay, because because

707
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: football contracts specifically are very different than any other contracts, right,

708
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: there's there's ways in which things are we've in there

709
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: and obviously it's evolved over time as well. But okay,

710
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: so so take me to your brain. You're in your

711
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: early twenties, you're looking at a contract. What do you learn?

712
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: What is it? What is unique about a football contract,

713
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: and what do you have to know in the business

714
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: that people outside of the business have no idea? Well,

715
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna love this because I know you're such a

716
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: team oriented guy. I remember the first thing I thought

717
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: when I saw the rookie deals of you know, Reggie

718
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Williams and a couple of guys that were drafted the

719
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: year I was down there. I remember thinking to myself

720
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith and Fred Taylor and some of the more

721
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: proven players. I was like, wait a minute, these rookies

722
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: are making a ton of cash, and these veterans seem

723
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: to be kind of grinding it out on the back

724
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: side of their careers. And because as you remember um

725
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: with the Sam Bradford, you know, kind of that was

726
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: a tipping point, right, fifty million signing bonus, that was

727
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: the tipping point, and the cb A changed that and

728
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: now we have the kind of rookie scale that's exactly right.

729
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: So I remember that kind of stuck out to me

730
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: just because having been a part of so many teams. Naturally,

731
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: one of your thoughts is when you read any type

732
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: of legislation, how does this impact the team? Right? How

733
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: does it impact how people think of each other in

734
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: the locker room? How does how does it impact the

735
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: flow of the team and we try to go win

736
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: a championship? And so I was really fascinated by by that.

737
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: So I would say the first time I ever read

738
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: an NFL contract, I thought to my self, Well, what's

739
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: what's this guy two lockers down thinking of this, you know, UM,

740
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: and I remember the implications of that and understanding you

741
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: know a little bit of how the payouts work and

742
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: a little bit how the cap and cash, you know,

743
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: different parts of the contract worked out, and being educated

744
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: by them. And then Stephen Drummond was mentor of mine.

745
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: He was, UH, I think at the time, assistant director

746
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: PR down there at UM in Jacksonville, And so I

747
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: learned a lot of press release, how to do a

748
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: press release, press conferences. I would help set up for

749
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: press conferences things like that. UM And remember you know

750
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: what obviously a big, big influence the media is on

751
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: all UH sporting events UH and really in the sporting industry,

752
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: especially within the NFL, because it's it's probably the top

753
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: platform in our country. So it's really interesting, right because

754
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: when you and I connected, and UM, the presentation that

755
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: others have made about you is like not a football guy,

756
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: right like flat like right like that's that was how

757
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: you talked about the media, how you were presented during

758
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: your time in Houston. But here, you know, you have

759
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: sports background, which translates to any sport. While in college,

760
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, you spend time around the Jaguars. You get

761
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: out of college, you're with the Jaguars, granted not not

762
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: necessarily the football side, but you're around an organization. Um,

763
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: and when you're a curious, intelligent person, you're learning kind

764
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: of as as you go. So again, like your your

765
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: story is very different than the one that I believe

766
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: many people have presented. So you get done with college,

767
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: You've done this, You've done some stuff. Did you apply

768
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: for a job with the Jags that they want to

769
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: hire you right away? What's your thought process on what

770
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: you want to do? And then how did you what

771
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: did you execute? Yes? So, Um, after that initial experience

772
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, one of the things that was very interesting

773
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: was um, obviously being from Colombia, uh and like I mentioned,

774
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: going to the University of South Carolina, sporting events growing up. UM,

775
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: they had hired Dave Odom as their basketball coach, and

776
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: Dave obviously, you know Rodney Rogers, Tim Duncan, you know,

777
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: did a great job at Wake Forest and in a

778
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: different way, brought the same national cloud that Lou Holtz

779
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: brought because he had the tournament. Yeah, I don't know

780
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: if that's just very I think different. Lou obviously outside

781
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: of the insular world of college football is was a

782
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: national name, you know the time with the Jets, Arkansas, Minnesota,

783
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: but Notre Dame. It's just a different animal. But Dave

784
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: Odam within the scope of basketball. For basketball people, dad

785
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: own brings the same level of respect, like, oh you

786
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: hired Dave Odem Okay, you got serious about basketball. That

787
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: that that's that made me fair. That's exactly right. And

788
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: so I had been recruited by a lot of small

789
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: colleges as I mentioned, and played college basketball. So I

790
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: love the NFL and had interest in that track. UM.

791
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: But then as a result of my grandparents, actually my

792
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: grandfather or my grandmother passing away, my grandfather needed some

793
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: medical attention and needed some help. I spent some time

794
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: right after graduation back in Columbia and while I was there,

795
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Dave and his staff reached out to me and said, Hey,

796
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you've had this career, You've done some different things. Would

797
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: you be interested in coming down and helping us run camps,

798
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: uh and potentially help us with study hall and help

799
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: mentor some of our players. And Uh, I said, sure,

800
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: let's let me come down to meet with you. And

801
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: so it was kind of camp season and so jumped in,

802
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, as as anybody does who's done college basketball

803
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: camps and been a part of that community. UM and UH,

804
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Dave and I just hit it off. He was a

805
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: mentor to me. UM and since that was my hometown

806
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: and could help my grandfather with his help. At the time,

807
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: I lived with my grandfather and then began to work

808
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: at the University of South Carolin, Lina. And even though

809
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: the NFL had always kind of been this goal for me, UM,

810
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, you know, sec hometown, you know,

811
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: a new coach who was really having some success uh

812
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: there in Columbia, Um, you know, and an opportunity to

813
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: have a role there within the basketball team sport I

814
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: had played. Chose to go back to Columbia for my

815
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: first job real full you know, full time impact. Uh,

816
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: there in Columbia, and it was amazing Dave Odham and

817
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: I tell people this a lot of things, and Doug,

818
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: you will get this because you've been through this. This

819
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: mantra is when you play two games a week, right,

820
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: and you're in the SEC and you have to obviously

821
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: you're you're you know obviously the schedule is is massive, right,

822
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: so you're whether that's traveling, whether that's just you know,

823
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: wearing a suit on the bench, whether that's being organized

824
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: about how you need to do, you know, your own

825
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: personal things to get through. Uh, you know the college

826
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: basketball season. Um, it t sees you so much. So

827
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Dave Odham was a huge mentor to me. I mean

828
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: I would go over He lived in an area called

829
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Shandon in Columbia, South Carolina, and I would go over

830
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: to his house in the mornings. Uh. I would be

831
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: there at six thirty every morning and we would go

832
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: on a run. And he was a little older at

833
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: the time. Um, but we would run let's just call

834
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: it a couple of miles at a decent pace, nothing nothing,

835
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: We weren't breaking records, um. And then we would walk

836
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: a mile after we we ran, and he would allow

837
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: me to ask him questions during that walk, and so

838
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I would ask him everything from hey, when do you

839
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: wear a blue suit? When do you kind of wear

840
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: a black suit? You know, when do you communicate frustration

841
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: with the media, and how you're kind of piste off

842
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: at maybe this beat writer and what he's saying. Or

843
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: when do you, you know, kind of flip a script

844
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: on your team to try to change behavior? Or how

845
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: many guys do you recruit from one high school? Is it? Is? It?

846
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Is is there a pipeline strategy

847
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: within certain high school programs that are successful? Or hey,

848
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: does a guy from California transition well to uh, the

849
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: East coast to a small school or a small state

850
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: like South Carolina. And I asked him everything and would

851
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: go home and just take a massive I had a

852
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: journal and I would just right just write all types

853
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: of notes. And Dave, being a high character, consistent, experienced

854
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: voice within college basketball, opened all of these doors for

855
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: me and my family, um immediately, I mean he made

856
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: calls to people that you know, from Roy Kramer, who

857
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: was a commissioner of the SEC at the time too,

858
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, people obviously around the southeast to helping me

859
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: run uh, five star basketball camp, to Craig little Page,

860
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: who was the a D at Virginia. Uh. And he

861
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: had a great relationship with Craig going back to his

862
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: days at Virginia, to Donny colland to you know, and

863
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: so all these doors began to open. And again I

864
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: was just running with Dave in the mornings, right, helping

865
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: him with study hall and running his basketball camp. And

866
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean I was so blessed because here comes the

867
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: door swinging wide open, um. And he really set the

868
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: tone for my entire sports career, both administratively, uh and

869
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: uh in the athletic arena. What's you next? Well, so

870
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: the University of South so Dave retired, the University of

871
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: South Carolina hired me as kind of a character coach,

872
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: UM and uh, you know obviously was in the academic

873
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: uh kind of world within um the athletic department, and

874
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: they have what does what does a what does a

875
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: character coach do? So each team has its own mantra,

876
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, and how in operational strategy, right, so you know,

877
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: whether that's meeting once a week or whether that's you know,

878
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: setting a theme early in the year, whether that's having

879
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, captain's meetings, whether that's all these different uh

880
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: kind of strategies that each team has. And so originally

881
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: with Dave, it was, you know, we would have a

882
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: captain's election process, We would have you know, different coaching

883
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: meetings throughout the week, and he would ask me things like, hey,

884
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, do we need to meet more? Do we

885
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: need to need to meet less? Do we need to

886
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: add a captain? Do we need to have this player

887
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe speak to the team who uh you know has

888
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: got a prominent voice and can help us learn um.

889
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: And so he was very well respected within the athletic department,

890
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: and so he uh asked me to go reduplicate those

891
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: same suggestions with some of the coaches he was friends with. UM,

892
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: the baseball coach and him were close close friends. To

893
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: track coach and him were close friends. And so I

894
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: was blessed to go into the different sports their University

895
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: of South Carolina just helped the coaches. Um, you know,

896
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: we led Bible studies, obviously, we got to know a

897
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: lot of the athletes on campus. Uh, And mainly it

898
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: was geared around, you know, helping each team become the

899
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: best version of itself. And so character coaching was essentially

900
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: just creating curriculums for the different sports UM that would

901
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: help them throughout the year, helped get the people to

902
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: the front, helped the team sustain optimal success UM, and

903
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: then obviously creating good systems within the team UM that

904
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: hopefully helped it annually get better and improve. UM. What

905
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: Uh okay, so you're so you're a character coach at

906
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: South Carolina? Was there a was there a goal that Okay,

907
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: this is what I want? Were you, as you said,

908
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: you took copious notes of your conversations with with coach Odham, UM,

909
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: like are you are you thinking, Okay, college basketball is

910
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: what I want to do, mentorships what I want to do?

911
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Get back to the NFL? Like in your mind? What

912
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: was your what was the ultimate focus? Was the ultimate

913
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: maybe achievement? Well, I would say, um, you know, after

914
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: several years of working at the University of South Carolina,

915
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: within UM the different teams UM. Uh, South Carolina had

916
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: hired a new athletic director, Eric Kyman, and Eric was

917
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: uh kind of similar in my life as Dave UM

918
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: and I began to have an opportunity to meet with

919
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: Eric because I was working with different sports and would

920
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: have a chance to pop in his office and received

921
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: that same mentorship. So athletic administration began to be UM,

922
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I began to be

923
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: curious about. And Eric at the time, in a small

924
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: market UM at you know, in Columbia, South Carolina, he

925
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: rebranded a lot of the financial structures UM, whether it

926
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: was seat licensing or it was how the donor programs worked.

927
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: He rebranded the entire UM donor base UH and or

928
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: donor strategy UM for the University of South Carolina. And

929
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: what that resulted in was essentially a facility launch UM

930
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: and a facility redo of almost every facility out South Carolina.

931
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: And so Eric is doing this, let's say, UM, you know,

932
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: as highly academic UM administration strategy, while Dave and other

933
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: coaches are doing a good job, you know, sustaining programs.

934
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: And so it was really a an amazing time to

935
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: be at the University of South Carolina. And so I

936
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: think Eric really UM seeing him succeed and seeing us,

937
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, build a new football facility and build obviously

938
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: a new baseball stadium, and seeing us you know, my

939
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: hometown at the University of South Carolina, seeing this stuff

940
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: go so well. And then as you know, between two

941
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: thousand and seven and then two thousand and eleven at

942
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: the University of South Carolina. I mean a baseball national

943
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: couple of baseball national championships that you mentioned. Lou Holtz

944
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: is kind of a tenure ins and Spurriers now kicking

945
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: button taking names, and so all of those successes really

946
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: grew in me. Man. I would love to be a

947
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: part of something like this where I'm helping lead from

948
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: an administrative standpoint. And Eric Uh, similar to Dave, opened

949
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: his rolodex to me and and got me in relationships

950
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: with different places he had been having been the a

951
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: d at TCU and and other places before that, Um

952
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: souh administration began to be a little bit of my

953
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: age and then also being able to lead people, uh

954
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: and help them from a character and faith perspective. Um.

955
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: You mentioned your faith, you know, and part of it

956
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: is again how it's how it's presented to people outside. First,

957
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, in the South, presentation of faith is a

958
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: part of sports is very different from the rest of

959
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: the country. UM. What what what portion of your life

960
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: in your early twenties was your faith and what's that

961
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: like within the world. The structure of a massive state university. Yeah,

962
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I would say my faith really

963
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: is uh. It means everything to me from the standpoint

964
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: of who I am and how I operate UM. Like

965
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of times, again, it's sometimes difficult to explain

966
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: within you know, the higher level media outlets UM. And

967
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: sometimes people misunderstand, um the different levels of faith and

968
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: or how faith impacts your ability to to lead. But

969
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: I believe my faith and my belief in Christ and

970
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: who he is has been nothing but a positive for

971
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: my ability to lead. I think he's taught me humility,

972
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: because that's demanded of you in scripture, right. And I

973
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: think that he's taught me empathy, which is a huge

974
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: part of understanding, you know, leading people and how to

975
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: understand their stories better. UM. And I think that when

976
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: you're at a state university or you're in a sports

977
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: team where people believes different things, you always have to

978
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: be respectful of other people's faith and other people's journey

979
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: and where they're at in those different moments. But I

980
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: do believe your faith allows you to um you know,

981
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: govern yourself and or have something governing you so that

982
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: you can be more sustainable UM. And in moments of

983
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: adversity for me and my family, our faith has been

984
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: just a bedrock of helping us get through those times

985
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: and helping us help others get through those times without

986
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: in any way being forceful them. And listen, you know,

987
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: we look at Frank Wright just hired uh there in Carolina,

988
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: who was the president of a seminary, Or Tony Dungee

989
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: and his amazing influence on sport. Um obviously Dabo Sweeney,

990
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: who's a good friend of mine, whose faiths, all their faiths,

991
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: have a huge part of their lives. And I would

992
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: say the same of my family is that we we

993
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: try to do right by God and right by others,

994
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: which is commanded of us. Um. But if never you

995
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: know imposed that in any way This is a question

996
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: I have and UM trying to figure out a way

997
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: toward it. But I think what happens is when people

998
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: present themselves as somebody who uh is a man of

999
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: God and faith is strong in their life, that for

1000
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: whatever reason, there are others And look, you know, I'm

1001
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: obviously the Jewish faith, but I'm not I'm not as

1002
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: as forward in regards to it as you would be

1003
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: or or the others are. I'm also not bothered by it,

1004
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: like I don't again, if you if it causes you

1005
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: to lead a life where you know you value others

1006
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: successes and you have empathy as well as pushing for

1007
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: your own success for the right reasons, Like does it?

1008
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it really matters. But just again,

1009
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: the life that you've experienced, and this is only you're

1010
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: like a third way into your life now right, Like

1011
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: this is not this is we're not right in your

1012
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: open yeah, but like the Dabo is an example of it,

1013
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: Frank writes, an example of it. You're using great examples.

1014
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think that there is a sometimes a

1015
00:56:52,680 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: nefarious tone to how people present um leaders of teens

1016
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: that speak of their faith in a strong fashion. Why

1017
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: do you think that just again, this is more your opinion.

1018
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: Why do you think that people can put a negative

1019
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: connotation on something that in the way in which you

1020
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: present it doesn't seem to have a ton of negatives.

1021
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like like like Tony Dungey, Like, okay, so he

1022
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: stepped in it obviously on social media recently. Okay, But

1023
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: to me, a lot of this is like and stick

1024
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: with me for a second, because it's weird. Analogy it's

1025
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: a lot like what I do for a living. Right,

1026
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: when you give opinions for a living, there's gonna be

1027
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: a couple you don't agree with anyone who's anyone who

1028
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: says like I agree with every one of your opinions, Like,

1029
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: then I don't really value your intelligence because there's no

1030
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: way because even some of my opinions I look back

1031
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: five years ago go like, you know that one was wrong.

1032
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: You know it says okay, sometimes you're going to be wrong.

1033
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: So um so, Tony Dungee stepped in on social media.

1034
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: But part of the reason that Tony Dunne that NBC

1035
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: is not bailing on Tony Dunge is he's got like

1036
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: forty fifty years of equity and the things that he's

1037
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: done for other coaches in the NFL, the way in

1038
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: which he's treated people, the things that he's gone through

1039
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: in his whole life. Right obviously the loss of a son,

1040
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: like all of these things paint the bigger picture of

1041
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: who he is. And yeah, I mean, I'm sure he

1042
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: would definitely take it back. But there's just I'm a

1043
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: member of the media. Why does the media at times

1044
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: present people who have faith? Is a very strong part

1045
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: of the foundation of their lives, and they speak about

1046
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: it openly. Why do you believe the media sometimes creates

1047
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: it in some sort of nefarious tone. You know, I

1048
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: may not get this right, but I really appreciate you

1049
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: diving into this, and I think you like the way

1050
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: this is because I thought about this question in advance

1051
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: of our Our call is I think when you communicate

1052
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: with the media, there isn't premise of that communication, right.

1053
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Or let's say, when a name like Tony Dungee is

1054
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: communicated with the media, I think there's a premise in

1055
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: which that name is prominent. And so, for example, with Tony,

1056
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: just to use him, you know he's prominent because he's

1057
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: a football coach, right. And so if you just take

1058
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: football coach and you put that on the line as

1059
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: an identity, that football coach comes with expected behavior, right,

1060
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: And so you have this football coach. Here's the expected

1061
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: behavior of the football coach. And so then when you

1062
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: say the phrase faith leader or pastor chaplain, those kind

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Speaker 1: of thing that comes with expected behaviors. And so I

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Speaker 1: think what happens is when one of those appears to

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Speaker 1: have to be the winner. So wait a minute, which

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Speaker 1: one are you You know, Tony, are you a faith

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Speaker 1: leader or are you a football coach? I think that's

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Speaker 1: an unnecessary delineation, meaning that I don't believe you have

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Speaker 1: to have one or the other of those as your

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Speaker 1: primary and a fact or your primary initiator for you

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Speaker 1: to be able to interface with other people. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Frank Wright is a former seminary president of

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Speaker 1: the Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte, Carolina, but he is

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Speaker 1: also the head football coach of the Carolina Panthers. Like

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Speaker 1: those are both and right, and so a lot of

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Speaker 1: times what happens is in our culture right now, we

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Speaker 1: look for either or right. You're either a winner or

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Speaker 1: a loser. You're either on a career upswing, or you're

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Speaker 1: getting ready to get fired. And I think because we

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Speaker 1: have that need for those identities to not coexist, I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes we resent or we try to, you know,

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Speaker 1: put down one of them just for the other one

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Speaker 1: to make sure it wins out. And so, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: in my case personally, like I think probably it was

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Speaker 1: more of an exposure thing. You mentioned the runway that

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Speaker 1: that um, you know Tony had or you know the

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Speaker 1: Davos had where they've experienced you obviously publicly have a

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Speaker 1: runway of being a part of it in the issues

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Speaker 1: where I was able to be a part of you know,

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Speaker 1: some uh, some of the success was called it a

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Speaker 1: program building both at the University of South Carolina or

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Speaker 1: going through what we went through in Kansas City, or

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Speaker 1: potentially serving New England for a while. There was no

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Speaker 1: public facing piece of that, and it wasn't appropriate. It

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Speaker 1: really wasn't appropriate for me to have a public facing

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Speaker 1: um you know, as a twenty five year old at

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Speaker 1: the University of South Carolina when we won the n

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Speaker 1: i T Championship. It wasn't appropriate for me to run

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Speaker 1: to the front and say, man, I'm so glad we

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Speaker 1: did study hall, you know, and we got Ronaldo Balkman

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Speaker 1: eligible and Tray Kelly you know, was able to you know,

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Speaker 1: play because he you know, made a good math grade.

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Speaker 1: Or it wasn't appropriate for me to run to the

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Speaker 1: front after you know, Javon Belcher and the challenges we

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Speaker 1: went through to Kansas City and say, you know what

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Speaker 1: a blessing it was for us as a um as

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Speaker 1: an organization to rally behind the Belcher family and give

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Speaker 1: tons of resources to their family and create a trust fund,

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Speaker 1: which man the Hunt family handled that so well in

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Speaker 1: such a bad situation. It wasn't appropriate to have that

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Speaker 1: discussion at the time, Nor was it appropriate for me

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Speaker 1: to say how how well I believe that Robert and

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Speaker 1: Bill handled the post Hernandez challenges. Um, those weren't appropriate

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Speaker 1: for me to give credence to publicly. And so if

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Speaker 1: I had and that had been the track word, then

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Speaker 1: I think people to understand how those identities go together. Agree,

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Speaker 1: I agree, you know, honestly, like here's here's uh, there's

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Speaker 1: obviously expression that I know, you know is when you

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Speaker 1: ask people what business they're in and you're like, nope, nope,

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Speaker 1: you're in the people business. Right, That's right, We're all

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Speaker 1: we're all in the people business. And um, you transition

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Speaker 1: from college athletics to the NFL, but the entire time

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Speaker 1: you're in the people business. And and like you know,

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Speaker 1: getting kids, getting kids to buy in the study hall,

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Speaker 1: getting kids, being a character coach, understanding how they have

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Speaker 1: to evolve as human beings. That's just coaching them as people, right,

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Speaker 1: Relating to them as people and drawing on your faith

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Speaker 1: as a way to bridge that gap is a very

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Speaker 1: natural thing. A very normal thing. It's a common ground,

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Speaker 1: especially in the South. It's a common ground that that

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Speaker 1: you can find. It's fascinating. Yea, all right, Part two.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna drop this probably tomorrow. Get these things going.

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Speaker 1: They're really really good. But I appreciate Jack and all

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Speaker 1: the time and effort he spent in putting this together, reminded.

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Speaker 1: The Doug Galli Show is daily three to five Eastern time,

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Speaker 1: twelve to two Pacific time, your I Heart Radio app

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Golie. This is Oval Nati