1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: UMP's call to nationalize voting, and it reads some part 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: voter fraud happens, and the price of freedom is vigilance. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: But the idea that non citizens are swaying national elections 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: isn't born out by the evidence. There is no shortite 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: of panic in the press after mister Trump's FBI recently 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: raided an election office in Fulton County, Georgia, seeking something 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: anything to lend credence to his claims about the twenty 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: twenty election. Yet that mischief won't save him. In November, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: MAGA mouthpiece Steve Bannon suggested that mister Trump have ice 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: surround the polls and call up the eighty second and 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and first Airborne. Yeah, after mister Trump's political 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: debacle in Minneapolis, independent voters would love that. 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: There are two things about Donald Trump. We all should 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: be very very firmly astute to One he's a liar, 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: and two he will still the elections this November. He's 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: setting this motion in motion as we speak. I don't 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: know how people, you know, kind of look at this, 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: But everything Donald Trump does, he tells you ahead of 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: time he's going to do. 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: So if we know that, you. 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: Know there are going to be ICE agents at polling places. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: We know he's going to target the fifteen states or 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: the fifteen jurisdictions that are predominantly democratically controlled of small 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: capital ded Democrats. And you know, and we know, we 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: know that he's already banting about the idea of the insurrection. 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: At what should we be doing as citizens right now 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: to get ourselves ready for what will not just be 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: a long hot summer, but a very difficult fall when 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: it comes to elections in this country. 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's certainly an argument to be 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: made that we've got to be vigilant, we have to 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: be on guard now. And I think when we try 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: to game out what it is that Trump might try 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: to do, I'm much worried about the back end of 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: the election. In the front end, I don't think we're 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 4: going to see ICE agents swarming polling places. 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: I think you'd get massive public resistance. 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 4: I'm much more worried about when ballots are being tabulated. 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 4: You know, we saw last week that Trump's FBI, in 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: an unprecedented move, went to Fulton County, Georgia, and seized 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: actual ballots that were used in the twenty twenty election. 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: Supposedly for some kind of criminal investigation. You know, maybe 43 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: that's just to please Donald Trump's fantasies about having won 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: Georgia in twenty twenty, But I worry it's kind of 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 4: a test run for what he can get away with 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: If we have a very close congressional race. 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: Is he going to say that there's a problem in 49 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 4: how the election was run and try and go in 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: and have federal agents seize ballots. So we've got to 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: prepare for that right now. 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 6: You've been and recently said, quote, we're going to have 53 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 6: ice around the polls come November. 54 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: Is that something that the President is considering. That's not 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 5: something I've ever heard the President considered. We guarantee to 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: the American public that ICE will. 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 6: Not be around polling locations or voting locations in November. 58 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 7: I can't guarantee that an ICE agent won't be around 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 7: a polling location in November. I mean, that's frankly, a 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 7: very silly hypothetical question. But what I can tell you 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 7: is I haven't heard the President discuss any formal plans 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 7: to put ICE outside of polling locations. 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 5: It's a disingenuous question. 64 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 8: He's openly fretting about the possibility of Republicans losing the 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 8: midterms and a Democratic Congress impeaching him a third time. 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 8: So he's demanding that Congress nationalize the elections, and Republicans 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 8: are taking a step in that direction through a piece 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 8: of legislation called the Save Act, which purports to solve 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 8: the non existent problem of non citizens voting in our 70 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 8: elections by forcing voters to show documentation like a passport 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 8: or a birth certificate at the polling booth. 72 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: In America, a. 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 8: Country where you don't need to show your papers, a 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 8: passport or a birth certificate. 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 9: We're soaked in lives, We're drowning in disinformation, We're drowning 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 9: in real time. You can juxtapose what he says, and 77 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 9: then he'll deny it immediately, and then it's then it's 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 9: kind of it's joined with the history of the country, right, Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, 79 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 9: massive corruption. Right, Because at the same time that he's 80 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 9: talking delegitimizing, he's also engaging in right setting the stage 81 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 9: for purging the more to voter rolls, undermining the ability 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 9: of people of color to vote. So I think we 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 9: need to see this as a five alarm fire and 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 9: not just simply try to deal with Donald Trump's in consistencies. 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 9: The man lies like he breathes, so we need to 86 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 9: understand what is really a stake here. 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 4: I think there's an optimistic story and a pessimistic story 88 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: about Chelsea Gabbert being involved. The optimistic story is they 89 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: don't have anything for her to do. They don't trust her. 90 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: She's not on board when they're going into Venezuela or 91 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 4: going into bomb Iran or something like that. So they 92 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: give her voting fraud as one of the things she 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: should investigate, and they'll keep her busy and she can 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: line up with the conspiracy theories that Donald Trump has 95 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: put out there. 96 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 5: And the reason they were in Puerto Rico is because there's. 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: Some conspiracy theory about of Venezuelan connection to the voting machine. 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 4: So that's not going to go anywhere. The pessimistic story 99 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 4: is much worse. It's that not only is it going 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: to be DHS and ICE and the FBI, but it's 101 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: going to be the entire intelligence apparatus that is going 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: to be used to try to put doubt on the 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 4: integrity of the election by claiming potentially foreign interference in 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: the election by just making things up that can be 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: pretext for potentially trying to do the things we were 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 4: talking about earlier in terms of interfering with the counting 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 4: of the ballots. 108 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: I think the focus between now and November should be 109 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: on Republicans whose names are on the ballot, because I'm very. 110 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: Curious about fellow Republicans. 111 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Do you subscribe to the idea of ice agents being 112 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: at polling places? Do you subscribe to the idea that you, 113 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: as a Republican official, should take control of elections in 114 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: another state, a state that you're not on the ballot, 115 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: in a state you're not running in that the federal 116 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 2: government that could you imagine Barack Obama, mister Republican senator 117 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: or Republican congressman, or Joe Biden President Joe Biden in 118 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election decided, you know what, I 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: think we're going to look at all the red states 120 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: and we're going to make sure that we take control 121 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: of the ballots in those red states. Could you imagine, 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: mister Republican senator or congressman, what your response would bey? 123 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: Share that with us, because that's the response you should 124 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: be having right now. And I think the more eddy 125 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: we put that pressure out there to make Republicans because 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: the president's acting in their name. He's the titular head 127 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: of our party, and the head of our party says 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: we're going to federalize, nationalize elections, even though he then 129 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: comes back, no, I didn't say national Now, you didn't 130 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: say national You just said take control of what's the. 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 5: Difference, you know, Mike, I hear you. 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 9: And I'm sitting here thinking, Well, in a reasonable world, 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 9: that seems like that would work okay also, but it 134 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 9: also seems to suggest a faith that you have yet 135 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 9: to yet to put aside. 136 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 10: Right, that is to. 137 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 9: Say, your eyes have repeatedly seen these Republicans behave in 138 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 9: a way that they don't care about the hypocrisy. They 139 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 9: don't care about the contradiction. They're either fearful or they're 140 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 9: just simply committed to holding onto power by any means necessary. 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 9: And so I'm sitting here not as an expert about elections. 142 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 10: I'm sitting here trying. 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 9: To think about the moral rock that has put us 144 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 9: in this place where the President of the United States 145 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 9: can lie repeatedly to us, can say that he's going 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 9: to basically try to take over our elections right, and 147 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 9: Republicans will sit back and nod and bend the knee 148 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 9: and do whatever we want to do. 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 10: And we are kind. 150 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 9: Of barrowing our way to the midterms trying to figure 151 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 9: out what we're going to do in the face of 152 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 9: what we already see and what we see every single day. 153 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 9: So I'm not so sure Mike revealing the hypocrisy will 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 9: actually get us out from under all of his bs 155 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 9: that we're drowning in. 156 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 10: This is the primal scream of a dying regen. 157 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 11: Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on 158 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 11: these people. You're not going to free shot all these 159 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 11: networks lying about the people. 160 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 10: The people have had a belly full of it. I 161 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 10: know you don't like hearing that. I know you tried 162 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 10: to do everything in the world to stop it, but 163 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 10: you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. 164 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 10: And where do people like that go to share the 165 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 10: big line? 166 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: Mega media? 167 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 11: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of 168 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 11: these people had a conscience. 169 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 10: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose. 170 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 9: If that answer is to save my country, this country 171 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 9: will be saved. 172 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: War here's your host, Stephen k Maas. 173 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 11: It's Friday, sixth February in the Year of a Lord, 174 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 11: twenty twenty six. 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Normally your editorials kind 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 11: of hit us the wrong way, but that was. 183 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 10: Quite interesting this morning. 184 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 11: From the ridiculous to the sublime, just when we've got 185 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 11: a lot to go through, but I want to start 186 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 11: with something that's a seminal moment in the mega movement, 187 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 11: in the conservative movement. 188 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 10: James Rosen joins us right of the box. 189 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 11: James, Associate Justice Scalia, a giant of the twentieth and 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 11: twenty first century on the Supreme Court. 191 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 10: Your magisterial first. 192 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 11: Volume, Rise to Greatness his I think three part biography. 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 11: You're coming out with the second part next week, and 194 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 11: we want to give everybody a heads up to get 195 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 11: on top. 196 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 10: Of this book asap. 197 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 11: You've got the Supreme Court Hears volume two, at least 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 11: the first part of Supreme Court. 199 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 10: I think it takes up to two thousand and one. 200 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 11: Why is Scalia important enough, James, Given you're one of 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 11: the top reporters in town that you appears in reading 202 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 11: the book and look at the research. Every waking moment 203 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 11: of any time you have leftover from reporting is spent 204 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 11: working on this book. 205 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 10: Why would you do that? Why is Scalia so. 206 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 11: Important that you would dedicate basically your life to this. 207 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 12: That's weird, Steve, because your question echoes one that is 208 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 12: persistently asked by missus Rosen. 209 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 10: But first, I. 210 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 12: Just want to say I'm grateful to be with you, 211 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 12: a longtime listener, first time caller, as it were, and 212 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 12: I'm joining you from my office at Newsmax, where I 213 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 12: am the chief Washington correspondent and feel very privileged to work. 214 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 12: And yes, this book is out this coming Tuesday. It's 215 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 12: called Scalia Supreme Court Years nineteen eighty six to two 216 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 12: thousand and one. It covers the first half of Justice 217 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 12: Scalia's nearly thirty terms on the Supreme Court. And as 218 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 12: you mentioned, the first book came out about three years ago, 219 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 12: published by Regnery Skyhorse, that was called Scalia Rise to 220 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 12: Greatness nineteen thirty six to nineteen eighty six. There were 221 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 12: two previous biographies of Scalia, one he cooperated with, one 222 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 12: not at all. They both came out while he was alive, 223 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 12: and both books ended in the same place, Steve, which 224 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 12: is to say, openly hostile towards Justice Scalia's personality, conduct, 225 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 12: philosophy and jurisprudence, and his legacy. So this is the 226 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 12: first admiring biography, or I like to say it, it's 227 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 12: the first biography of Antonin Scalia written by someone who 228 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 12: has his head screwed on straight. That first volume took 229 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 12: you up until the moment he sat down on the 230 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 12: Supreme Court, and he had a fascinating career before he 231 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 12: even became a judge, working under President's Nixon Ford and 232 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 12: then being nominated by President Reagan to the Appellate Bench. 233 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 10: And then the Supreme Court. 234 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 12: This new book, out Tuesday, Scalia Supreme Court Years in 235 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 12: nineteen eighty six to two thousand and one, covers his 236 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 12: first day as a justice all the way up through 237 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 12: the National trauma of Bush v. Gore bracing. It was 238 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 12: steve for this reporter to realize that there sits today 239 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 12: on the Supreme Court. Only one justice who sat on 240 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 12: Bush v. Gore, and that is Clarence Thomas, who was 241 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 12: interviewed for this project. But you asked, why is it important? 242 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 12: And I'm really glad you asked. Antonin Scale is not 243 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 12: just one of the most important Supreme Court justices in history, 244 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 12: he's one of the most important Americans of the last 245 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 12: one hundred years. And it's because of the philosophy he 246 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 12: brought to the business of being a judge when Scalia 247 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 12: came along as a federal judge in the early eighties 248 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 12: and then rose to the Supreme Court in nineteen eighty six, 249 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 12: confirmed by the United States Senate ninety eight to nothing, 250 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 12: which always bothered him. By the way, well into the 251 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 12: twenty first century, Scale would be saying, let's just call 252 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 12: it one hundred. He was ticked off that two senators 253 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 12: didn't vote. But in any case, when he came along, 254 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 12: there prevailed in America and particularly in the law, this 255 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 12: notion of a living constitution. This is still taught to 256 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 12: school children every day, and the living Constitution idea which 257 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 12: is subscribed to by liberals on the Supreme Court. The 258 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 12: Living Constitution holds that the document, the Constitution itself, and 259 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 12: indeed every law that's been enacted ever since the Constitution 260 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 12: should be interpreted by judges, which is their central business 261 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 12: of interpreting the laws, telling us what the law means 262 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 12: in a way that allows the judge to expand the 263 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 12: meaning of the Constitution of a given clause or any law, 264 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 12: to in effect alter the meaning, to modify the meaning, 265 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 12: to graft their latter day policy preferences onto the existing law. 266 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 12: And the idea behind it is that the Constitution should 267 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 12: expand to cover phenomena that the founders never could have envisioned, 268 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 12: such as nuclear weapons or the Internet. Scalia's answered, Scalia 269 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 12: stood a thwart all of that, and Scalia believed in 270 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 12: something called originalism, and his idea was that he didn't 271 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 12: care what the intent behind the Constitution was or the 272 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 12: lawmaker's intent behind the given law was. Their intent is 273 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 12: embodied in the text that they voted up or down, 274 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 12: and if they voted it up and a president signed 275 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 12: it into law, that's the intent. The first place we 276 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 12: should be looking in order to interpret a law is 277 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 12: its text, and that text carries a meaning and not 278 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 12: a meaning changed by latter day judges. But the original 279 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 12: meaning it was wide they understood to have at the. 280 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 11: Time it was Hey on one second, or take a 281 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 11: short commercial break. Textural originalism. Next of James Rosen. 282 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: Here's your host, Stephen k Back. 283 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 10: Okay, welcome back. 284 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 11: I'd want to spend an hour with James today, given 285 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 11: this seriousness of this book and the topic, and I 286 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 11: want to thank Newsmax for cutting loose and let me 287 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 11: have a little bit of time. 288 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 10: We're going to have him back on Tuesday. 289 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 11: He's got an amazing piece coming out this weekend in 290 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 11: the New York Times about law for Richard Nixon. 291 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 10: All of the topics we've talked about, but the. 292 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 11: Demands of Newsmax today, We've only got James for a 293 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 11: half hour. I want to thank the Newsmax team for 294 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 11: doing that fantastic work. We love you guys over there. 295 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 10: Look, I'm going to come back to originalism, textualism. Things 296 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 10: we want to get into today. Here's the book is so. 297 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 11: And to know that they had another guy that actually 298 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 11: had cooperation. The book is so well researched. But as 299 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 11: you know, the war and Posse. We have huge readers 300 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 11: on his We did the you know, we sent the 301 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 11: Buckley Book of Sam Tannehouse to two or three new printings. 302 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 10: We're readers and it's beautifully written. 303 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 11: How do you find the time, your chief washing correspondent 304 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 11: for Newsmax, which is in a dogfight with Fox every 305 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 11: day for ratings and for breaking news, how do you 306 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 11: actually find the time to do the research and to 307 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 11: take the time it takes just to make sure this 308 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 11: thing is so beautifully written? 309 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 12: James Clear, very kind, Steve, thank you. The short answer 310 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 12: is I steal the time from my family, and in 311 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 12: the acknowledgment section of this book, I apologize to my 312 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 12: wife and two sons for how much time this project 313 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 12: has required me to be away from them. I never 314 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 12: intended it was never intended to be a three volume book. 315 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 12: It was intended to be a concise biography, believe it 316 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 12: or not. But as you could tell from our first segment, Steve, 317 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 12: I don't do anything concisely. I did want to finish 318 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 12: the discussion we were having before the break about Wiskeley 319 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 12: is such an important American in the history of this country. 320 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 12: It's because he persuaded through mostly through descents, but really 321 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 12: through his brilliant writing, his genius, his affability, his literary gifts, 322 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 12: his charm, his use of language, mostly in dissent. He 323 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 12: wasn't always, he wasn't frequently on the winning sides of cases. 324 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 12: But he changed the way we draft the law, we 325 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 12: argue the law, and judges and justices decide the law. 326 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 12: When he came along, people were talking about the living 327 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 12: Constitution and how we need to expand its meaning to 328 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 12: account for new phenomena, and how we need to look 329 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 12: to the intent behind a law, not just the text 330 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 12: of the law. 331 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 10: We need to know what they meant. 332 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 12: So we should look back at floor speeches on the 333 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 12: House and Senate floor, and we should look at committee reports. 334 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 12: Scalia said no to all of that. Nobody voted on 335 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 12: a floor speech, nobody voted on a committee report. They 336 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 12: voted on the text of a law. And that text 337 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 12: doesn't change and its meaning doesn't change. By the time 338 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 12: Scalia died in his thirtieth term on the Court, and 339 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 12: we're coming up on the tenth anniversary February thirteen, since 340 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 12: Antonin Scalia left us no less a figure than Justice 341 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 12: Ellena Kagan, an appointee of President Obama pronounced, because of 342 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 12: the Scalia revolution in the law we are all originalists. 343 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 10: Now. What was it? Was it in his opinions, was 344 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 10: in his lectures? 345 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 11: Because originalism and textualism that was a long struggle. 346 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 10: What was it that drove that point home? 347 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 11: Was it made someone like Kagan, who had been Solicitor 348 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 11: General and from I think dean at Yale Law School 349 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 11: or one of the powers at Yal Law School. What 350 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 11: or was it specifically over time that drove even the 351 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 11: most liberal jurist in lawyers to this point. 352 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 12: It was the clarity of the philosophy itself, the idea 353 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 12: that the tech words have meaning, and that meaning doesn't 354 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 12: change just because some judge decided that the meaning should change. 355 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 12: So that was very attractive, and of course Scalia helped 356 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 12: found the Federalist Society, which grew enormously over time and 357 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 12: popularized the idea of originalism. You mentioned textualism. It's important 358 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 12: that people undertand what these concepts are. As I explained 359 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 12: in these books, textualism is kind of the metal detector 360 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 12: that is used to divine the original meaning of the text, 361 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 12: and so you pay close attention to text. If the 362 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 12: text is ambiguous, and many laws have clauses and sentences 363 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 12: that are ambiguous that leave us scratching our heads as 364 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 12: to what they mean. Then Scalia decided that the next 365 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 12: feature of originalism to divine the original meaning of a 366 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 12: law would be that you would have to look at 367 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 12: historical traditions and to look at whether there is a 368 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 12: long tradition and behalf of something even if the law 369 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 12: is ambiguous. That was his argument against abortion, and Professor 370 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 12: Scalia was arguing against Roe v. Wade as early as 371 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 12: the nineteen seventies on PBS, and in essence, there was 372 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 12: no There was nothing in the Constitution that mentioned abortion, 373 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 12: and there was no historical tradition that protected abortion. Quite 374 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 12: the contrary. I interviewed Justice Alito for this project, and 375 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 12: in addition to the New York Times story that you 376 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 12: mentioned next week in Politico, I'm going to have an 377 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 12: op ed that is based off the interview I did 378 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 12: with Justice Alito and Chambers. We talked about the Dobbs opinion, 379 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 12: which of course overturned Roe v. Wade, and I asked him, 380 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 12: is there a direct line from the writings and speeches 381 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 12: of Anton and Sclee in the seventies and eighties to Dobbs, 382 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 12: and he said, absolutely there is. So Scalia's impact is 383 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 12: still with us in a very big way. And again, 384 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 12: it was his magnetic personality, It was his genius with words, 385 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 12: it was his humor. It was his constant evangelism on 386 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 12: and off the bench that swayed whole generations of lawyers 387 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 12: away from the living constitution construct from the Lauren Court 388 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 12: era and over towards an original meaning construct which is 389 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 12: more rooted in the Reagan era. How did we get 390 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 12: part of? 391 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 11: This is the first book and I strongly recommend, particularly 392 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 11: if you have young people in your life that are 393 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 11: thinking of careers in law or thinking of careers of 394 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 11: how they want to get some sort of at least 395 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 11: even if they're getting undergraduate education, want to get some 396 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 11: legal background. This book is an inspiration for anybody, and 397 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 11: particularly Scalia's not just rise to greatness, but how he 398 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 11: had such a massive impact on American life. So not 399 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 11: just for yourself, this book is a great gift for 400 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 11: young people and it's a page turner, so you're going 401 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 11: to love it. How did given the disasters we had? 402 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 11: The suitors and I even think Sandrade O'Connor when I 403 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 11: say pick By Republicans that became quite moderate to liberals 404 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 11: on the bench. How was Scalia selected? And how did 405 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 11: he possibly go ninety eight to nothing? If you had 406 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 11: Scalia today, brother, we would have a firefight, you know, 407 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 11: given his Catholicism, given his traditional Catholicism, given everything, it 408 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 11: would be a firefight. 409 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 10: How did he get selected? 410 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 11: And how did he given all the bad choices that 411 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 11: had come around him, and how did he get how 412 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 11: did he get a nominee confirmed ninety eight to nothing? 413 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 12: When President Reagan nominated Antonin Scalia to the Supreme Court 414 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 12: in June nineteen eighty six, Scalia had spent four years 415 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 12: having been previously nominated by President Reagan on the d 416 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 12: C Circuit. That's the Court of Appeals for the District 417 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 12: of Columbia Circuit. It's the court of appeals that's one 418 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 12: rung below the Supreme Court, and the DC Circuit is 419 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 12: often described as the second most powerful court in the 420 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 12: United States because its work so frequently shapes the output 421 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 12: of the Supreme Court, but also so many justices are 422 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 12: plucked from the ranks of the d C Circuit at 423 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 12: one time. On the d C Circuit, what a murderer's 424 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 12: row of judicial talent we had from Ruth bader Ginsburg 425 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 12: to Antonin Scalia, to Robert Borke, to Kenneth Starr to 426 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 12: James Buckley Larry Silberman. Truly an extraordinary array of judicial talent. 427 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 12: And so when the vacancy arose in nineteen eighty six 428 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 12: because the Chief Justice since nineteen sixty nine, Warren Berger, retired, 429 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 12: President Reagan was very adamant that the only types of 430 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 12: people who would be able to demonstrate that they shared 431 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 12: his judicial philosophy of original meaning moving away from the 432 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 12: living constitution expansionist role for judges would be if they 433 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 12: had been judges already on the appellate bench, because they 434 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 12: would have a track record as opposed to mere writings 435 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 12: which could be moved away from different from a judicial opinion. 436 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 12: So he chose William Renquist, who had been an Associate 437 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 12: Justice on the Court nominated by President Nixon ceated since 438 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 12: nineteen seventy two, to elevate him to the chief justiceship. 439 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 12: Renquists for many years was the only conservative on the court. 440 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 12: He issued so many loan solo descents that his clerks 441 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 12: once gave him a lone Ranger doll. So it was 442 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 12: seen as a kind of a reward for all those 443 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 12: lonely years of service in the sixties, in the seventies 444 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 12: and eighties. And then they had to decide who are 445 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 12: they going to try and nominate for the vacancy created 446 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 12: by elevating Renquist. And it came down to Bork and Scalia. 447 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 12: And the first book, Rise to Greatness, really delves deeply 448 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 12: into that friendship between these two brilliant men, that friendship 449 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 12: effectively destroyed by the competition between them and by Scalia's 450 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 12: elevation in nineteen eighty six. We know what happened to 451 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 12: Bork when he went up a year later. And you asked, 452 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 12: how did Scalia get confirmed ninety eight to nothing, chiefly 453 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 12: because of the distracting figure of William Rehnquist, having been 454 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 12: the loan conservative on the court for so long the 455 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 12: Senate Democrats who claimed control of the Senate in nineteen 456 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 12: eighty six in the fall election, so it was controlled 457 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 12: by the Republicans when Rehnquist and Scalia went up. Nonetheless, 458 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 12: they were out for bear with Renquist. They hated his 459 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 12: opinions for the last fifteen years. He was ultimately confirmed 460 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 12: after a very ugly process sixty five to thirty three, 461 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 12: and as Justice Alito told me recently, gosh, if a 462 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 12: confirmed nominee got thirty three votes, you'd call that and 463 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 12: it went sixty five thirty three, that'd be a landslide, 464 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 12: that would be bipartisan. In nineteen eighty six, thirty three 465 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 12: was the highest number ever recorded for a confirmed nominee, 466 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 12: and so Renquist, in what they called the Requisition, took 467 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 12: all the fire. Scalia with his charm, sailed through ninety 468 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 12: eight to nothing. 469 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 11: James, where do people I want everybody to pile in 470 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 11: on this book over the weekend it's released. Publishing data 471 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 11: is Tuesday. We're going to have you back on huge 472 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 11: piece in the New York Times. Where do people go 473 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 11: to the site to get the book? Where they find 474 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 11: out more about you? What's your social media? How they 475 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 11: get all your hits over at newsmas. 476 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 12: So you can watch me on Newsmax or Newsmax two, 477 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 12: our streaming service known as N two. You can find 478 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 12: me on x at at James Rosen TV. That's at 479 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 12: James Rosen TV. The book Scalia Supreme Court Years nineteen 480 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 12: eighty six to two thousand and one coming out Tuesday. 481 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 12: Want to emphasize it's written for all readers, not just 482 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 12: for lawyers, and frequently it's hilarious, as in my lunches 483 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 12: with Justice Scalia where we broke bread and wine and 484 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 12: he overruled my lunch order. This can be ordered on 485 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 12: Amazon and anywhere books are sold. Steve mentioned my coming 486 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 12: News or Times piece that Sunday morning. It's the Secret 487 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 12: History of the Deep State. It exposes some newly declassified 488 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 12: evidence about deep state activity against Richard Nixon, and it 489 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 12: makes the parallels with today's scene as well. 490 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 11: No, it's magnificent. Look forward you to see you back 491 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 11: here on Tuesday. You want to thank news Max because 492 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 11: I know you're busy. Chief Washington correspondent for News Max, 493 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 11: James Rosen, this book is magisterial. I could not recommend 494 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 11: a book more. We'll be talking about it throughout the 495 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 11: morning and tomorrow morning. On Saturday. I'm a breakdown part 496 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 11: of it. James Rosen will see you on Tuesday. Thank you, sir, 497 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 11: Appreciate you. 498 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 10: Folks. 499 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 11: I got to tell you the effort to write something 500 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 11: like this when you've got. 501 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 10: A full time job, it's just unbelievable. 502 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 11: Anyway, sure commercial break back in the war room in 503 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 11: a moment. 504 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: If he use your host, Stephen K. 505 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 11: Ba. Okay, if Grace and Moe and Elizabeth, if we 506 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 11: can be forced multiples, we'll get your clip with this. 507 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 11: Here's the reason we have giants in our movement, people 508 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 11: that have changed the direction of American history. 509 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 10: On the Supreme Court. 510 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 11: Now, we're very fortunate to have to associate Justice Thomas, 511 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 11: and of course we're not too now, but Anton's Kalia. 512 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 10: He is a giant. 513 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 11: The other biographies of him have been obviously not up 514 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 11: to part. The first volume of James three volume Scalia, 515 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 11: the Rise to Greatness. And this volume starts at the 516 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 11: very first day he takes his seat in the Supreme Court, 517 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 11: goes all the way through the hotly contested two thousand 518 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 11: election of Bush versus Gore, in the decisions that were 519 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 11: made there. So you will absolutely love this book and 520 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 11: you'll learn a lot, learn a lot. This is why 521 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 11: the Buckley book was so important. This is why this 522 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 11: book so important. You not just get a feeling for 523 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 11: the It's just not a biography. It's the type of 524 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 11: biographies I love where you actually get a sense of 525 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 11: the times that the man or the woman lived in 526 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 11: and very very powerful and just to know Rosen who's 527 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 11: an incredibly busy guy when you're chief White House or 528 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 11: chief Washing correspondent. Now for an operation like Newsmax, it's 529 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 11: covering Washington, DC, so intensely right. To have the time 530 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 11: to research and to have the time to write, and 531 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 11: to take your time and to write beautifully is to 532 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 11: me is extraordinary. So Scalia the White House hears I 533 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 11: think eighty six or eighty seven to two thousand and one. 534 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 11: It's the first part of his time on the Supreme Court, 535 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 11: and you will learn a lot of this. We'll also 536 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 11: learned Sheila Matthews. We're learning from you every day. So 537 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 11: it's interesting. I try to get a call open for 538 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 11: Sheila Matthews, folks, one of your favorites and one of 539 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 11: our biggest contributors in the years in the Wilderness. 540 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 10: In fact, he started coming on the show. 541 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 11: The first week that President Trump was sent to the 542 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 11: Wilderness in twenty twenty one. Right that first week it 543 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 11: was a RUSS vote, and then RUSS formed CRA, and 544 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 11: we were big sponsors of CRA, all to do their 545 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 11: conferences and always talk and just magnificent. Of course, so 546 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 11: many of the people from CRA went into the government, 547 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 11: particularly to omb They got a great team over there 548 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 11: now as the second Wave, they're doing magnificent work. But 549 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 11: russ Vote. There was an assassination attempt on russ Vote. 550 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 11: A guy went to his house with a gun and 551 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 11: I guess neighbors called and the police eventually came and 552 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 11: he's arrested. But he's got a commonality. When I read this, 553 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 11: I reached out to the one and only Shila Matthews. Sheila, 554 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 11: and I want to continue to drive this because you 555 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 11: are almost like a voice in the wilderness. But the 556 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 11: dots all connect. Tell me about this guy and what 557 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 11: connects him to like Butler, this is a problem. This 558 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 11: is not a this is a crisis. It's a crisis 559 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 11: about how these the radical democrats and this cultural radicalness 560 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 11: of these people obviously is trying to change the culture, 561 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 11: but they're also trying to destroy I think young men 562 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 11: walk me through. And by the way, we could not 563 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 11: find a clip. I don't think anybody's covered this today. 564 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 11: Actually on television, we haven't been. We're trying to be 565 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 11: as their as possible, but we couldn't find a good 566 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 11: clip to use it. There's a couple of newspaper articles, 567 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 11: but they're buried back in the in the tireats the 568 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 11: director of Office Management Budget and one of the two 569 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 11: or three most important people in this administration. An assassination 570 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 11: attempt at his home and now the guy's locked up 571 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 11: and being charged. But why is this connect directly to Butler? 572 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 10: Man? 573 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 5: Well, because Colin DeMarco from Maryland, the man who went 574 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: to Russ's house, was treated. He was in the psychiatric 575 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 5: facility and. 576 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 6: He was diagnosed, and so we don't know who treated him, 577 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 6: what meds he was on. 578 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 5: And that's the common issue here. 579 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 6: Like Butler in Daily Mail this morning, is jd Vance 580 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 6: making these comments regarding not knowing the motive of the 581 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 6: alleged would be assassin Thomas Crooks. His parents were behavioral 582 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 6: health experts. How did they miss that he was building 583 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 6: a bomb in his bedroom next door? 584 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 5: Why can we not question him when now next week 585 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: we're going to have a. 586 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 6: Case in front of Georgia where a fourteen year old 587 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 6: boy killed four people, injured eleven in the state of Georgia. 588 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 5: Fourteen years old. He's going to make a plead deal and. 589 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 6: They're going to charge the father for giving him access 590 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 6: to weapons, who gave him access to the mental health 591 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 6: diagnosis and the drugs. 592 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 5: What do his mental health records show? 593 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 6: So the commonality here is we have a billion dollar 594 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 6: industry that is feeding off our children and pumping them filled. 595 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 5: With mind als. We're in drugs and we. 596 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 6: Cannot get behind the scenes there. We can't get to 597 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 6: the treating psychiatrists. Who are these treating. 598 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 11: Psychago But hang on, but hang on, but hang on, 599 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 11: hang on, hang on, hang on. I know the theory, 600 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 11: the case and hangs together. It's a multi billion dollar industry. 601 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 11: Why can't we We've done it now? You see in 602 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 11: the transgender ideology we're getting to just had the two 603 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 11: million dollar court ruling. The people, the Terry Shillings, those 604 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 11: guys against the transgender record ideology have have used a 605 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 11: sharp enough stick to puncture and get through it. What 606 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 11: do we need to do because this is outrageous and 607 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 11: you see these shootings happen all the time. You never 608 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 11: get to who the doctors were, what they prescribed, what 609 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 11: the drugs are, what the what the. 610 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 10: Big farmers making on this? 611 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 11: Why is there cartel cabal that strong that we can 612 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 11: can't puncture, We can't push through. 613 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 10: This, ma'am. 614 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 6: Well, the transgender issue falls under psychiatry. 615 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 5: So I would say that is the umbrella that we 616 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 5: need to go after. 617 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 6: And the state and federal government is in bed with 618 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: this industry. So that's why we can't get access to 619 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 6: the treating psychiatrists. They're training the FBI agents, they're training 620 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 6: our teachers. So it is a big issue here. And 621 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 6: the bottom line is we need the mental health records 622 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 6: and we shouldn't be assuming that the motive is not traceable. 623 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 5: It is. 624 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 6: It is to if we're concerned about the guns, we 625 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 6: should be more concerned about what led that child, the 626 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 6: fourteen year old that's going to make a plead deal. 627 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 6: So we're not going to get access to those records 628 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 6: in Georgia of the of the little. 629 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 5: Boy who picked up his father's guds. They're going to 630 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 5: charge the father. 631 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, Butler, those parents aren't dragged in Okay. 632 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 5: So we have parents just like with the ones in Utah. 633 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 5: They're not mony You're. 634 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 11: Going to say, I've been telling people, oh, wait to 635 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 11: the trial. You're not going to have a trial, you tall, 636 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 11: they're gonna cut the You watch Georgia, they're gonna cut 637 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 11: the same type of deal to get away from the 638 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 11: death penalty and get a life in prison without parole. 639 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 11: You're never going to see any of this stuff at trial. 640 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 11: I've been saying this from the beginning, Chiela. I know 641 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 11: you get a bounce. 642 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 10: You've got a big anniversary coming up, a big event. 643 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 11: I want everybody that's in the area or what's it 644 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 11: coming from around the country to support you. Where do 645 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 11: they go? 646 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 6: We go to able Child twenty five dot com Able 647 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 6: Child twenty five dot com and they can. 648 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 5: Get tickets there. It's going to be in West Palm Beach. 649 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 6: And really, people, we need signs on this petition to 650 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 6: get federal hearings. 651 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 5: We need legislation. 652 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 6: We're trying to kill massive bills coming in and we 653 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 6: have a proposed bill. We need a sponsor in Georgia. 654 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 6: So long Acres please start. 655 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 5: Listening to us so we can get to. 656 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 6: Some safety for these children. So yeah, able Child twenty 657 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 6: five dot com. We're celebrating twenty five years two moms 658 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 6: who started out of the ABYSS. So we need your help. 659 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 6: We want to stay you know, valuable to children, and 660 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 6: we want to help the government. 661 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 5: We're not. We want to help. We want to save lives. 662 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 10: We want the men want to do what we want 663 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 10: to do. I don't know. 664 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 11: What we want to do is stop this destruction, particularly 665 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 11: of young men. It's batter than women, but young men 666 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 11: to try to destroy Sheila one more time? 667 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 10: Where do people go? 668 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 6: Able child twenty five dot com for the tickets and 669 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 6: able child dot org for our petition. 670 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 5: So thank you so much, Steve. 671 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 10: We're honor jolly Wrights. No, it's outrageous, Thank you, ma'am. 672 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 11: You look at the connectivity, look at the common analogy 673 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 11: and all this. 674 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 10: All these young men are on. 675 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 11: These psychiatric drug Who who prescribes us? Well, who's accountable 676 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 11: for this? It's constant Also Russ Vote. The guy said 677 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 11: he did it because Russ Vote was one of the 678 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 11: key architects of Project twenty twenty five. Have you seen 679 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 11: an outrage in the in the community in Washington, d C. 680 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 11: Have you seen an outrage in the media that a 681 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 11: courageous public servant, a courageous public servant is an assassinate 682 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 11: guy goes to his house to assassinate him, and just 683 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 11: by grace of God, Russ doesn't happen to be there. 684 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 11: And some neighbors, I guess, turn this guy in and 685 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 11: some footage on it, and the authorities are involved now, 686 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 11: just like in Butler, we don't know. I mean, the 687 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 11: Butler situation is a travesty. I keep saying in Pasobic, 688 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 11: and these guys can prove me wrong. I just don't 689 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 11: think you're ever going to get to a trial in Utah. 690 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 11: I think they're the same thing. They're going a poll here. 691 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 11: They're going to try to cut some plea deal, get 692 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 11: him off of capital murder, away from a murder charge, 693 00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 11: and we're never going to get that. We're never going 694 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 11: to get the facts. And I think there we have 695 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 11: to see the facts. I have to see all the details, 696 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 11: all the interconnections, because I'm still not at least what's 697 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 11: been out there. I just don't believe a guy got 698 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 11: up there because he you know, he thought his. 699 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 10: His training, you know, roommate or wherever. 700 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 11: How do you define this other guy who hasn't been 701 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 11: charged with anything. No accessory, no accessory either before after 702 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 11: the fact. 703 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 10: Nothing. 704 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 11: It's just still this was a Tyler Robinson. I'm just 705 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 11: not buying it. Maybe maybe they'll put out evidence. Otherwise, 706 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 11: I just don't think you're ever going to go to 707 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 11: trial in this situation. The psychiatric drugs and destroying these 708 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 11: young men has got We got to get to the 709 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 11: bottom of it. I don't know if do we have 710 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 11: the clip of Bets. Can I play Bets's clip? 711 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 10: Do we have that? 712 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 11: My great producer, do I have it? Let me play 713 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 11: that before I bring on Thayer for a second. Let's 714 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 11: go ahead and play. This is from Ben Harnwell does 715 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 11: the Friday Show tries to coordinate six o'clock all the 716 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 11: great reporting coming out of and things coming out of Europe. 717 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 11: This is very important when we talk about civil war. 718 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 11: Let's go and watch. 719 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 13: Yeah. I do want to stress that I'm really not 720 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 13: making a party political point here, or I'm not trying to. 721 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 13: That's not most of what I'm talking about. In fact, 722 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 13: all I'm talking about are structural issues. This is not 723 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 13: political points scoring. I'm not trying to I'm not trying 724 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 13: to be that sort of pundit. And your earlier remarks 725 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 13: about the Unit party are entirely accurate, and people understand 726 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 13: that to be the case, which is what is fueling. 727 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: This. 728 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 13: I think there's the fundamental thing that is fueling this 729 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 13: pressure cooker you talk about, because once people have fully 730 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 13: internalized that floating doesn't matter, then that is an expression 731 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 13: of complete law basically a complete lack of confidence in 732 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 13: the legitimacy of the existing system. It is a complete 733 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 13: lack of confidence in the ability of politics to solve 734 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 13: collective action problems in that society. And it's really hard 735 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 13: to row back from that. And to the point of 736 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 13: your specific question now about about reform, I have to 737 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 13: say I'm not terribly optimistic on this front. Reform as 738 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 13: currently just doesn't look to me to possess the sense 739 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 13: of urgency, the to possess the the desire to conduct 740 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 13: this sort of does radical changes to the society which 741 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 13: would be implied by a reasonable estimate apprehension. That's the 742 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 13: problems which we face. Moreover, even if we get to the. 743 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 14: Next elections, the bitch, let me just clarify that you 744 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 14: think that these falces are in UK. 745 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 10: I want to come Oline. I'm going to come back 746 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 10: with the. 747 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 11: Punchline with Ben Harnwell and bring in doctor Thayertage. 748 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 10: Girl is going to join us. 749 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 11: Orn Casts has got a magnificent piece, two big pieces 750 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 11: coming the New York Times over the weekend. Orn Casts 751 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 11: basically calls out the entire finance industry Wall Street as 752 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 11: a complete and told grift and what should you do 753 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 11: with the grifters. We're going to take a short commercial break. 754 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 11: You're in the worm on a Friday, Super Bowl weekend. 755 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 10: Back in a moment for the word of the hot com. 756 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 11: We will back to the lock we were. 757 00:40:59,719 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: Real. 758 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 3: Here's your host, Stephen k Ban. 759 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 11: Crypto is in a how do I say this historic plunge? 760 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 10: Gold is not? 761 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 11: And I think that's the difference between something being a hedge, 762 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 11: an entity being a hedge. 763 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 10: And maybe not. 764 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 11: And you don't want to find out about this when 765 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 11: it's plunging. We've done something different here, I think than 766 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 11: other people that say, hey, by goal by goal by goal, 767 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 11: we want to teach you. The purpose here with Birch 768 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 11: Goal over the last four or five years is to 769 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 11: teach you to understand the process, not the price of goal, 770 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 11: but the process that drives the value, both as a 771 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 11: hedge against times of financial turbulence, but now as a 772 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 11: new kind of financial asset class, which has happened as 773 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 11: the central banks have stepped down here and the US 774 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 11: dollar comes under assault. We started this at the beginning 775 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 11: of the Biden regime, the illegitimate Biden regime. Why we 776 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 11: all had an inkling. The first thing you did was 777 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 11: about opening the borders. We knew it was going to 778 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 11: be detrimental to the country and insane, I shouldn't say insane. 779 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 11: It was logical for them because they wanted to destroy 780 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 11: the American Republic. What he did in the spending was 781 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 11: to destroy the financial stability of the country and destroy 782 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 11: the dollar twenty five percent depreciation, devaluation, lack of purchasing 783 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 11: power in the dollar in four years. So one of 784 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 11: the reasons the Bricks Nations, who are all enemy virtually 785 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 11: all enemies of the United States, led by the Chinese 786 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 11: Chemist Party, looking at alternatives, as we've reported, and we 787 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 11: sent Philip Patrick and this team down to Rio for 788 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 11: the Rio Reset. But even I think the Bricks Nations, 789 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 11: as much they hate the United States, they do have 790 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 11: kind of a point when they talk about an alternative, 791 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 11: given what Biden did to the dollar. Anyway, that's a 792 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 11: long winded way of saying, talk to Birch Gold. Many 793 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 11: ways you get there into the Dollar Empire. Go to 794 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 11: Birch Gold dot com from a code Bannon End of 795 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 11: the Dollar Empire. Seven free installments. The eighth installment is 796 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 11: on my desk, and we're going to be getting it 797 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 11: out for all of you will have Philip Patrick on 798 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 11: her discuss the most important thing or whether you take 799 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 11: take your phone out and text Bannon b A N 800 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 11: N O in at nine eight nine eight nine eight 801 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,439 Speaker 11: gets you to the ultimate guide for investing a gold 802 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 11: and precious metals in the Age of Trump, including silver. 803 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 11: It gets you access to Philip Patrick and the team 804 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 11: and they love it when the war and posse connects. 805 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 10: Uh and you don't have to buy gold. 806 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 11: We're going to teach you the process of what drives 807 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 11: the value of it and why the guys at Birch 808 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 11: Gold thinks there's a long way to go in that valuation, 809 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 11: but you come to your own decisions. 810 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 10: What we're going to do is put the information out there. 811 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 10: I want to finish with Ben Harnwell. 812 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 11: Betts is the tenured professor at King's College and one 813 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 11: of the world's leading experts, if not the world's being 814 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 11: expert on modern warfare in every aspect of it, including 815 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 11: color revolutions in civil war. Let's go ahead and play 816 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 11: Ben again, and I'm gonna bring in doctor Bradley there. 817 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 14: Professor Bits, let me just clarify that you think that 818 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 14: these forces are in the UK are so already entrenched, 819 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 14: and the momentum is that not even an eventual, hypothetical 820 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 14: reform government would be able to stop the civil war 821 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 14: in the UK that you see, that you hypothesize as 822 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 14: being on the horizon. 823 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,919 Speaker 5: It's that bad. 824 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't see that. Yes, in answer to your question, 825 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 13: it's that bad. As I said, the issues are structural. 826 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 13: They're not casually political, they're not superficially political political, they're 827 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 13: deeply social. And that's the bottom line is the political 828 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 13: system is not able to cure itself. 829 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 11: This is why Trump that was from last Friday. This 830 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 11: is why President Trump won in sixteen. There's something deeply 831 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 11: wrong with the American political system. The Republicans, this is 832 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 11: why they're controlled opposition. This is why now the Wall 833 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 11: Street journals hammering President Trump every day. And look, people 834 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 11: can throw the toys at the prem they can pull 835 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 11: their hair out, then it doesn't make a difference. 836 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 10: We're never going to allow ever again to have the. 837 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 11: Globalist and the elitist and the people that hate this 838 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 11: country to steal another election that day. Those days are 839 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 11: over and we've got to rev it up to make 840 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 11: sure we hold accountable who stole twenty twenty Look what 841 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 11: they did to our country financially, culturally, fifteen or twenty. 842 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 10: Million illegal alien invaders. 843 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 11: Look at these cities, doctor Thayer, you've written a quite 844 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 11: brilliant piece. I'm so glad the Federals has put it up. 845 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 11: I just love the federalist site about why you tind 846 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 11: to take Betts's theory and you take it one step 847 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 11: farther and saying, hey, it's coming and we have to 848 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 11: win it. And President Trump passed to lead us to victory. 849 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 11: Talk to us about it, sir. 850 00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 10: Yeah. 851 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 15: See thanks. The pieces are available to federalists today. And 852 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 15: the two arguments. One, there's a civil war in the West. 853 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 15: From London to Texas, we see that, from Ireland to Italy, 854 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 15: from Canada to Australia we see the same thing. We 855 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 15: have an increasingly authoritarian political class and we have their 856 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 15: principal weapon of immigration, of flooding Europe, Canada, Australia, the 857 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 15: United States with many tens of millions of immigrants. So 858 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 15: we're locked in a civil war between those who want 859 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 15: to destroy the West and those who want to save it. 860 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 15: It's an old struggle, really goes back to the Bolsheviks 861 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 15: one hundred years ago who started it, but it's being 862 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 15: realized now. 863 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 16: Now what needs to be done, well, the Trump. 864 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,240 Speaker 15: Administration needs to save Western civilization because he's the only 865 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 15: one who can and he's opposed by Australian government, Canadian government, 866 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 15: the EU, and. 867 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 16: Kure Starmer in the UK. 868 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 15: What the Trump administration has to do is right now today, 869 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 15: gets serious about developing strategies to stop this and to 870 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,720 Speaker 15: turn it around through remigration. 871 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 16: So there's much that has to be done. First, teriffs. 872 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 15: Professor Bettz makes a great argument, but he seems to 873 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 15: assume it's the eleventh commandment, is that Europe is going 874 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 15: to go Muslim. 875 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 16: Right, That's not true at all. 876 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 15: It's a result of policy decisions, and policies can be 877 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 15: reversed if the costs to the EU and the cost 878 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 15: to cure star Wars government in the UK are high enough. 879 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,720 Speaker 15: So let's get Peter Navarro to put five hundred percent 880 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 15: teriffs on the EU. Okay, that's going to start moving 881 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 15: of the European Union in the right direction. Secondly, let's 882 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 15: start on hanging strategy on ho. 883 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 11: I'm want to go through all of them. Were gonna 884 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 11: take up short break five? Are you saying put five 885 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 11: hundred percent terriffs on the EU to force them to 886 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 11: have policies that reverse the immigration of Muslims into into Europe, 887 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 11: into England, particularly which I think is now going to 888 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 11: a significant part of the population. Is that I get 889 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 11: thirty seconds? 890 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 15: Is that what you're saying, absolutely not only reverse, but 891 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 15: to do so on a truncated timetable, right to do 892 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 15: so with Next week they're going to be at this number, 893 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 15: the week after they're going to be at double that number. 894 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 11: Okay, hell ever saying hang on, hang on, I'm gonna 895 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 11: get I'm gonna take time, We're gonna get it all done. 896 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 10: We're gonna take a short break. We're in Castal, going 897 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 10: to join us. 898 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 11: I'm going to recommend right now we set up an 899 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 11: Office of Remigration, and I strongly recommend to President Trump 900 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 11: of the administration that doctor Bradley Thayer will be the 901 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 11: very first person to step in there and take that 902 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 11: take that position with short break back. The MO