WEBVTT - Lucie Silvas 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.880 Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.239 She's on the side. She got the scoop on on 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:28.360 the on side. No one can do with Clid Carala, Carola. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do with Clid Carol Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.959 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.920 could be adult content. I am so thrilled to have 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.120 Lucy Silva's joining me today. She is a European sensation, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.160 sold a million albums in Europe. She just reade a 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.760 song from Miranda Lambert smoking Jacket on the new album 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.880 She's one of cmts next one in the country Smoke. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.559 Letters to Ghost and Villain are three songs and music 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.120 videos that she made from her album Letters to Gost. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.520 Rolling Stone premiered them all. She's married to John Osborne 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.720 of their brothers Osborne, and he actually kicks off this 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.039 interview by interviewing Lucy. You all get excited. It is 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:24.800 so great. Here's Lucy Sylvia's I'm here with Lucy Sylvia's 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.160 and John Osborne, and John's gonna conduct a little interview 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.720 really fast, so take it away, John. So Hi, I'm 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.280 John Osborne. You guys could be here. Really nice to 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.000 meet you. Like your jacket so we hear you're amazing, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:43.360 incredible husband. He's got a huge beard because the hairs 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.679 get caught in your mouth when you kiss and stuff, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.200 the hairs get caught and everything. He's like cookie, he sheds. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.920 They're all over the house, the food and the roller 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.480 every time roller. It's all over and I find them, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.360 you know, stuck in my own hair, and find them, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.000 you know, stuck to my eyelashes. Really, um, y'all are 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.720 doing a lot of making out. No never, we're basically 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.480 like vel crowe Yes, he has got an amazing beads. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.960 That's it. I love it. Okay, Literally, we are here 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.200 with John Osborne and Lucy Sylvis in their beautiful house 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.760 and we are going to talk about Lucy's album Letters 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.120 to Ghosts, which I think is so cool because you 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.160 are not only a power couple, because you are both 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.519 incredible singer songwriters. You'all co produced this album together. John, 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.080 I mean, is there anything you can't do? Together. I 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.760 love you by the way, I just like looking at 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:40.240 you just makes me happy. Um um, yeah, no, I 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:46.079 don't know what was the question? No, he I mean 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.160 John is I have to give John credit because he Um, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.240 you know, I wrote the songs and that was definitely 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.639 things I had a vision for. He he knows me. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.560 He knows my sound and what I like without me 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.120 having to tell him, and we grew up with a 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.320 lot of the same influence. It says, what does that sound, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.120 It's like, well, it's a mixture of so many things, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.240 which makes it hard to place anywhere. But I love Motown, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.160 I love country, but it's it's it's got an influence 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.160 of those things what I perceived to be the country 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.920 that I know, you know what I mean, And and 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.080 it's got a twiny sound, but it also has a 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.160 throwback sound, but it's also pop, it's modern, and so 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.520 I think it was exciting for John to do that 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.519 something outside of what he normally does as well, and 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.800 produce an album with freedom with no one telling us 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.320 what we had to do. Talk to me about producing 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.480 an album with freedom, because that's crazy. I could do 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.520 what everyone Yeah, well, you know, sometimes you know the 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.960 artist producer relationship is kind of strenuous because there's a 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.160 lot of creative differences um there. And you would think 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.960 it would be worse for Lucy and I because we're married, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.520 so we're throwing in another dynamic. But but genuinely I 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.120 trust I trust her implicitly, and she's an incredible ear 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.800 for things and and so when she says something, I 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.480 don't think twice about it, and sometimes I'll pushed back 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.720 and she trusts me too, So I think the mutual 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.880 respect there is is really big. And the fact that 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.440 she funded this record on her own. Technically she is 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.200 the label, so she does get the last call. I 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.600 have to do whatever she was and um, and we 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.960 also produced it with Ian Fitzchuck as well, and he's 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.920 also just a very laid back, easy person. He respects us, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.240 We respect him immensely and um, just just to know 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.719 that there weren't any limitations in a way made it 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.440 a little more difficult because you could say anything. But 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.599 the freedom of that was very much worth it, I 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.359 think in the end, because we've got to just do 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.000 whatever we felt was right in our hearts. Yeah, you've 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.480 got no one watching you along the way saying well, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.200 we need a radio single or we need this to fit. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.000 You know, where's this going to sit? And I think 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.719 autistically that's one of the hardest things for artists, Like 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.480 how can you really? I think every so often an 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.679 anomaly comes along where they've had that, but they've somehow 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.479 managed to compartmentalize themselves so they can make the best 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.640 album of their lives creatively. But it is very hard 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.440 to do that when you've got any limitations or anybody 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.279 watching sort of what you're doing. So do you was 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.760 it a big leap of faith to do this album 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.800 and fund it yourself? Because I know, like we're gonna 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.920 get into your past. You have had record deals, you've 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.120 sort a million albums, you've done crazy stuff. Sort of 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.920 get to Nashville and fund an album and do it 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:23.640 by yourself? Is it exhilarating and scary? Exactly? Those two things? 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.000 I think Number one, Um, you know, my dad always 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.240 told me you have to like any business person, you 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.720 have to invest in yourself. You have to be Yeah, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.479 it is. It is because you're like, you know what, 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.279 you know, we've got to pay bills, but also you 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.719 know you should I spend it on Is it is? 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.480 It foolish, is it stupid? You know, no one minds 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.680 spending somebody else's money, you know what I mean. But 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.040 even that, it's like you don't realize that the weight 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.480 that that comes with, at least the weight is mine. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.640 The stakes are high, and just for me, No, I 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.080 don't think people realize how much money it costs. I mean, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.400 there are moments when I'm surprised at how much money 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.160 it costs, and it seems that the costs never end. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.520 I mean, to record it, you gotta get in a 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.200 good studio, you gotta get engineers, you gotta get mixers, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.520 You've gotta get um, you know, the band, and then 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.880 the cartage in there in the studio, and then you 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.960 have all the amount of hours and the amount of 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.200 labor that goes into it and editing and producing and 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.520 then that alone once you get there, and then you've 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.040 got to master it and then you think you're done, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.760 but then you gotta get artwork and then the packaging 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.800 and then it just it never ends. So Lucy definitely, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.719 you know, um, she invested in herself like I think 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.800 any smart persons should. If you really believe in yourself, 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.760 you should be willing to put your money where your 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.159 mouth is and and she did that, and um, I 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:38.480 think that's usually respectful. Thank you. Also, I just love 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.520 that you as a couple decided like you obviously believe 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.279 in her so much as your wife and an artist 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.080 that you're on board too, Like that is amazing to 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.120 be y'all's relationship. Talk to me about what what you 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.000 guys are like in the studio, Like, how's John and 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.920 how's Lucy working together in the studio. He's It's it's 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.800 fun because it's like, like I said, we when we met, 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:58.920 it was like a time when you know, everyone was 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.120 jamming around. It's like we knew we had the same 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.760 influences musically. I mean, he's given me an education of 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.680 music that I wouldn't have heard of growing in London. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.559 And yes, so we were getting the studio. It's fun 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.360 and he's John is better. He's more disciplined than I am, 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.720 so he would get to it time. I mean it's 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.920 almost sometimes well when he's editing, I'll come back like 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.560 an hour later, I'm like, you's still doing that snare drum. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.520 It's like he's so meticulous that it drives me crazy. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.120 And then at the same time, I respect it because 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.480 that's kind of the discipline that I don't have. I 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.440 don't like singing vocals very much. I like to sing 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.960 it and just I'm like, well that's that's right, or 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.120 I'll do it like this, and he did it right 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.640 the first time. He'll do everything when he's playing guitar, especially, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.400 but he's so meticulous, um that he'll he wants he 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.600 does everything, and I respect that. So in the studio, 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.400 actually the two of us together, you know, somehow works. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:08:00.160 Actually don't know what I bring to the equation out 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.400 your name is on it. I think that's it's not 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.640 my name, it's just the name on the CD. That's 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.200 what I bring. No, But it's an amazing it's fun 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.920 and it's like we're sitting there going well in the 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.280 world of music, I mean there's no one could hear it, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.560 or everyone could hear it. You just don't know. And 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.520 in the world of music, you sit there going we 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.160 have no rules, we have no boundaries. It's the only 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.640 stress that came into it. Honestly, was never a creative one. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.240 It was never a dynamic thing. It would never we 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.320 respect each other. There's no egos involved. Um. It's the 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:35.680 financial side of it. That's when I get stressed, and 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.840 that would stress John because he worried about me stressing out. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.800 So that was just where we'd support each other. And no, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.240 we have to keep working hard to keep this thing going. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.199 So yeah, and I'm gonna leave you guys to it. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.760 I mean, there's planning to go over. I'm just getting 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.679 in the way. Hey, you're not getting away before you go. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.040 Tell me how it felt when you want a c CMA. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.840 It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.600 And and I want my brother and I had quite 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.400 a bit to drink, and all I was thinking was Okay, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.319 no one expected it. So I was like, don't trip 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.160 on stage, don't curse on national television, and thank Lucy, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.679 and I did all those things. So that was as 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.480 much of a success to me as anything. And um, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.440 but it's incredible, you know, I don't know. I still 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.400 every day I think about it, and it's something that 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.959 I can't even wrap my head around. Well, your peers 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.559 voted for it, right, Our peers are people, you know. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.640 Isn't that kind of the most amazing thing that your 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.720 peers wanted you to win? That's why, I mean, it's 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.600 one thing It's like you know when when you're when 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.000 when you win awards that are voted on by by 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.080 the fans, a lot of times it's it is who 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.160 the most famous, the most successful person is at the 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.560 time that that wins because you have a huge fan base. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.719 It's just a number saying and anything that is fan 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.160 voted and you went always feels amazing. But to be 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.400 acknowledged by your peers, you feel like an immense amount 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.719 of love because those are the people that you know 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.439 and you see them on a daily basis, and you 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.440 also have a level of like admiration for and um, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.520 it is an immense amount of love that you feel. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.280 It's the only thing. It's incredibly overwhelming. It was one 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.640 of the most incredible, surreal experiences of my life. And 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.480 I don't think I could ever actually put it into 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.240 words what it feels like. That's freaking it was when 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.960 I saw from him was like it was that overwhelming 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.640 emotion that he felt because he felt like he's been 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.960 in this town so long as as has t J, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.480 and they work so long, and they've remained very they 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.079 have a lot of humility and they remained like really 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.200 sweet and team players with this town. And and I 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.839 think that's what made us all emotional, was knowing that 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.520 that award had come from their peers and how much 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.960 goodwill in the room that was for them. I don't 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:40.960 think you can if you feel that. I feel like 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.240 you feel that gives you some sort of invincibility, if 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.679 you feel like people are supporting you in that way. Yeah, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.679 but you guys, Lucy, the Brothers, Osborne, all y'all's group, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.040 y'all radiate. And I was going to talk about this, 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.640 y'all radiate truth and authenticity, Like I feel like all 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.559 the people that you guys read around around with, it 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.640 is so crucial that y'all are honest and authentic, authentic, authentic, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.600 I feel and I feel like people gravitate towards that 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.120 because after a while, no one wants people to bullshit them. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:12.960 You just want to know the real person. And all 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.959 of you guys are like that, Yeah, we're real people, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.520 and that's how you are, and we've known you for 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.319 years and and everyone in a thousand Horses, all those boys, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.719 it's like, as soon as we hang out with each other, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.839 there's a level of comfort because we trust each other. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.040 We know that we're getting the real human and and 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.520 I think at the end of the day, music and 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.600 success aside, you just want to be around people that 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.240 you love, and you want to be around just genuine people. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.360 I don't care if you're a genuine asshole. As long 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.840 as you're genuine, it's all good. Just be a consistently 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.240 genuine asshole, So I don't. I just love that. And 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.439 you know, and our lives can be crazy sometimes, but 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.720 when we come home, that's home base and everything just 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.040 goes away. And and um, this is what it's about. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.040 You know, your your your career is just something that 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.760 isn't the end result. The end result is a life 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.040 that makes you happy. And I feel like our lives together, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.719 you know, is everything to me. Okay, that's the most 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.640 beautiful thing ever. Anyway, on that note, I really do 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:10.640 have to go alright by John, thanks for us. I mean, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.240 if y'all are not the sweetest, cutest kind of he's 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.360 so sweet. It's like it's the sweetest thing. Like I 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 got always this sweet and like loving and respectful and 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.559 just perfect. I mean, sometimes we just ignore each other, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.959 but that's because we're in the house. But that's the thing, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.480 you know, when you were in the house with someone 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.280 and as long as they're in the house, you have 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.800 that feeling of contentment and peace because you know they're there, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.439 even though you know, and he often will sit there 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.440 and just play guitar and work on his amps and 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.120 all that kind of stuff, and it gives me a 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.040 great sense of like peace. You know, we do. We 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.320 do get along really well. He is my favorite person. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.120 He's fun to be with, and you know, it's a 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.920 good thing that he is my favorite person. Because we 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:49.920 live together. That would be that would be hard. And 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.200 you've decided to join lives, yes, exactly, so it would 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.280 be difficult if we didn't. But what is the secret? 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.360 Child's marriage dated for a while too, right, we did. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.200 We've been together for a long time, and we did. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.680 We had a very difficult beginning because we got together 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.440 and then I went back to England and we were like, 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.400 we don't know how to do this long distance thing. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.640 It was so hard to figure out where our lives 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.560 were going because we were like, well, I don't know 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.080 if I'm going to live in England. I don't know 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.160 if I'm going to live in America. And then I 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.360 think at one stage I think I decided, you know, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.079 to come here and I wanted, how did you make 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.920 that decision? Because you were crushing it in England, sold 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.560 a million albums. I always heard on this thing with 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.559 Charlotte Church. I don't know. You told me that one 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.600 time and I have never forgotten it. Oh my god, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:38.080 you're saying, like, oh the Vogue, like with Charlotte, Oh 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.880 my god, like the things you have done and the 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.080 way you dominated in Europe to pack up a move 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.400 to Nashville has got to be scary. It was really scary. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.000 I mean it had been a while, it had been 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.040 a couple of years, and I fell in love. I mean, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.840 who doesn't fall in love with Nashville? You not you? 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.520 How do you not drink the kool aid? And like, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.600 just not you? You're intoxicated by it because you got 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.640 in right away too, with a great group of people too. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.040 I feel like the first time I met you were 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.680 hanging out with Cree, Harrison Brothers, Osborne Josh, with Charlie Worsham, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.360 Casey Musk Graham's Did you meet them right away? I 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.840 didn't meet Casey right away. I didn't meet Casey two 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.680 years later, but I met, yeah, Cree and I lived 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.960 to I mean, it was funny because I think the 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.080 first people I met were actually Barry Dean and Busby. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.440 They were the first two guys I met um. And 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.120 then I then realized that Chrysalis, the publishing company I 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:28.880 was signed to at the time, was in Nashville. And 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.520 then I met John and Donnie and Josh and and 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.240 all those guys, Billy and and that's when I met 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.400 you as well. And and then I met Cree, And 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.120 I remember Cree was looking to move out at home, 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.080 and I was like, do you want to come live 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:41.760 with me? You know, I'm going to come stay here 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.600 for a few months, you know, maybe you could move in. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.840 And we became crystless really linked it all up. Chrysalis 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.440 linked it up, and and and then I'd go back 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.080 home and I'd come back, and it was years before. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.440 Really I never really felt like I left once I 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.720 came here, you know, And it was very difficult to 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.000 make that. It is difficult even moving house alone, moving countries, Um. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.520 And you know the good thing about it is my 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.000 parents live in New Zealand, my sisters live in New Zealand. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.080 So I've never felt I've always had a nomadic life. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.000 We've always moved around I've never felt like one place 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.320 as my home until now. I'm with John and we're 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.560 married and we have this home and I can't see 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.440 myself living anywhere else now. But up until now, it's 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.920 been quite It's changed a lot over the years. So 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.840 talk to me about your early life. Your mom was 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.880 an opera singer. She was no, well, my grandma sang 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.400 opera in her church. And my mom actually was in 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.120 a band. I mean she I didn't find this out 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:37.680 to way later. When she was eighteen. She was in 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.680 a band and she played bass for this band. Yeah, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.720 your mom's cool, and she was. I was like, wait 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.720 a minute, can you still play bass? Like, yeah, I 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.200 need to need to see this, and um, but she was. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.240 Actually I think the thing was that her parents were 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.480 very very strict. They were very very conservative family. Um, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.160 I come from a Jewish dad and a Christian mom. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.320 So and she converted. So we had such a mixture 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.960 of of an upbringing. And they wanted to sing classical 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.280 music and they were they were really not having it 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.560 for her to sing anything else. Sorry, and and so really, um, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.200 she didn't want to do that, and she she had 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.800 major stage fright. She because I grew up listening to 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.680 a lot of singers as well, like Judy Garland and 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.320 bober Streisen, and my mom used to hear that barber 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.960 Streisen had huge stage fright, and that used to make 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.280 my mom feel a bit better. But she's still I 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.760 think really she got married and she wanted to make 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.520 her whole life about my dad, which was was amazing. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.680 But she does have an amazing voice and always I 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.240 think that's what gave me the confidence hearing her saying 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.440 to go and start singing. So how did you get 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.680 into music? Because you started young. You started songwriting super young, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.640 super young, like maybe started writting songs on the piano. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.160 I was like ten, I mean they were awful like that. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.320 I mean, I listess up, they were good, but they weren't. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.760 And you know, I certainly wasn't singing like a young 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.440 Michael Jackson. I was like I was. I listened back 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.400 to it now and it's like really nasally and excruciating. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.000 But but I was definitely a music love and my 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.240 parents had huge record collections. I'd sang all the time. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.040 We all played we all saying this, my sisters saying, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.800 but you play mandolin and piano. I played piano piano 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.639 is my main instrument. I played piano mandolin because I 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.359 was so bored of I couldn't play the games. I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.359 have never been able to get my head around the guitar. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.520 I can play a few chords, but I don't have 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.640 the ability to play it on stage. And so I thought, well, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.800 the mandolin small one, maybe I'll try that. And I 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.399 was just like, this fits my five ft one body, 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.560 and and John kind of helped me through, just teaching 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.720 me a few things, and it's become really fun to play. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.480 But my sisters played instruments, and we you know, we 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.280 always were always the kind of family that were taught 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.840 to try anything once at least. And and but no, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.360 I didn't actually get into the music industry that young. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.600 I wasn't. I was probably well I was seventeen, so 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.560 I guess that's young in the scheme of things, But 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:56.080 I was. My parents were strict about it. They were like, no, no, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.080 you can't meet anybody, you can't go on the road, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.199 you can't do this. But then you started going on 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.479 the road and touring back up when I did, so 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.000 you said, sorry, parents, thanks for the Well. I think 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.720 it's because of who it was with it was with 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.959 this woman called jud Zook and her and she's an 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.040 amazing singer songwriter. She kind of she had this big 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.240 hit in Europe when she was like eighteen years old, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.800 and then she was just such a prolific songwriter and 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.359 she didn't necessarily want fame. She just wanted to be 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.680 express her art, express her art, and and I heard 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.520 her stepdaughters one of my best friends. So so that's 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.880 how my parents were okay with this great easier way 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.240 into these They trusted it. I mean, god, we were 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.400 like it was got quite rock and roll on the road. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.119 We were like I was young, and we were like 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.440 drinking all sorts and we were you know, we would 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.320 we had a good time, and it was it kind 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.439 of I grew up fast because and I knew I 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.600 could see what she was going through as an artist. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.440 I could see we were in a vent traveling up 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.520 and down the UK, which back then, you know, it 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.120 was it was very We did it all ourselves, and 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.840 it made me want to be on the road. It 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.840 was very young age to be on the road doing 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.879 it's like that, you know. So that's when you go 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.400 at the bag and you're like, this is the life 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.040 for me. Absolutely. I mean I always thought that I 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.560 grew up watching my favorite singers, and I always just 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.800 wanted to be on stage. And admittately I grew up 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.919