Speaker 1: Carola. She's a queen of talking. He was sown your man.
Speaker 1: She's on the side. She got the scoop on on
Speaker 1: the on side. No one can do with Clid Carala, Carola.
Speaker 1: No one can do with Clid Carol Carola. Hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby.
Speaker 1: I know music, I know people, and I know the
Speaker 1: questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper
Speaker 1: heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there
Speaker 1: could be adult content. I am so thrilled to have
Speaker 1: Lucy Silva's joining me today. She is a European sensation,
Speaker 1: sold a million albums in Europe. She just reade a
Speaker 1: song from Miranda Lambert smoking Jacket on the new album
Speaker 1: She's one of cmts next one in the country Smoke.
Speaker 1: Letters to Ghost and Villain are three songs and music
Speaker 1: videos that she made from her album Letters to Gost.
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone premiered them all. She's married to John Osborne
Speaker 1: of their brothers Osborne, and he actually kicks off this
Speaker 1: interview by interviewing Lucy. You all get excited. It is
Speaker 1: so great. Here's Lucy Sylvia's I'm here with Lucy Sylvia's
Speaker 1: and John Osborne, and John's gonna conduct a little interview
Speaker 1: really fast, so take it away, John. So Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: John Osborne. You guys could be here. Really nice to
Speaker 1: meet you. Like your jacket so we hear you're amazing,
Speaker 1: incredible husband. He's got a huge beard because the hairs
Speaker 1: get caught in your mouth when you kiss and stuff,
Speaker 1: the hairs get caught and everything. He's like cookie, he sheds.
Speaker 1: They're all over the house, the food and the roller
Speaker 1: every time roller. It's all over and I find them,
Speaker 1: you know, stuck in my own hair, and find them,
Speaker 1: you know, stuck to my eyelashes. Really, um, y'all are
Speaker 1: doing a lot of making out. No never, we're basically
Speaker 1: like vel crowe Yes, he has got an amazing beads.
Speaker 1: That's it. I love it. Okay, Literally, we are here
Speaker 1: with John Osborne and Lucy Sylvis in their beautiful house
Speaker 1: and we are going to talk about Lucy's album Letters
Speaker 1: to Ghosts, which I think is so cool because you
Speaker 1: are not only a power couple, because you are both
Speaker 1: incredible singer songwriters. You'all co produced this album together. John,
Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything you can't do? Together. I
Speaker 1: love you by the way, I just like looking at
Speaker 1: you just makes me happy. Um um, yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: don't know what was the question? No, he I mean
Speaker 1: John is I have to give John credit because he Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I wrote the songs and that was definitely
Speaker 1: things I had a vision for. He he knows me.
Speaker 1: He knows my sound and what I like without me
Speaker 1: having to tell him, and we grew up with a
Speaker 1: lot of the same influence. It says, what does that sound,
Speaker 1: It's like, well, it's a mixture of so many things,
Speaker 1: which makes it hard to place anywhere. But I love Motown,
Speaker 1: I love country, but it's it's it's got an influence
Speaker 1: of those things what I perceived to be the country
Speaker 1: that I know, you know what I mean, And and
Speaker 1: it's got a twiny sound, but it also has a
Speaker 1: throwback sound, but it's also pop, it's modern, and so
Speaker 1: I think it was exciting for John to do that
Speaker 1: something outside of what he normally does as well, and
Speaker 1: produce an album with freedom with no one telling us
Speaker 1: what we had to do. Talk to me about producing
Speaker 1: an album with freedom, because that's crazy. I could do
Speaker 1: what everyone Yeah, well, you know, sometimes you know the
Speaker 1: artist producer relationship is kind of strenuous because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of creative differences um there. And you would think
Speaker 1: it would be worse for Lucy and I because we're married,
Speaker 1: so we're throwing in another dynamic. But but genuinely I
Speaker 1: trust I trust her implicitly, and she's an incredible ear
Speaker 1: for things and and so when she says something, I
Speaker 1: don't think twice about it, and sometimes I'll pushed back
Speaker 1: and she trusts me too, So I think the mutual
Speaker 1: respect there is is really big. And the fact that
Speaker 1: she funded this record on her own. Technically she is
Speaker 1: the label, so she does get the last call. I
Speaker 1: have to do whatever she was and um, and we
Speaker 1: also produced it with Ian Fitzchuck as well, and he's
Speaker 1: also just a very laid back, easy person. He respects us,
Speaker 1: We respect him immensely and um, just just to know
Speaker 1: that there weren't any limitations in a way made it
Speaker 1: a little more difficult because you could say anything. But
Speaker 1: the freedom of that was very much worth it, I
Speaker 1: think in the end, because we've got to just do
Speaker 1: whatever we felt was right in our hearts. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got no one watching you along the way saying well,
Speaker 1: we need a radio single or we need this to fit.
Speaker 1: You know, where's this going to sit? And I think
Speaker 1: autistically that's one of the hardest things for artists, Like
Speaker 1: how can you really? I think every so often an
Speaker 1: anomaly comes along where they've had that, but they've somehow
Speaker 1: managed to compartmentalize themselves so they can make the best
Speaker 1: album of their lives creatively. But it is very hard
Speaker 1: to do that when you've got any limitations or anybody
Speaker 1: watching sort of what you're doing. So do you was
Speaker 1: it a big leap of faith to do this album
Speaker 1: and fund it yourself? Because I know, like we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into your past. You have had record deals, you've
Speaker 1: sort a million albums, you've done crazy stuff. Sort of
Speaker 1: get to Nashville and fund an album and do it
Speaker 1: by yourself? Is it exhilarating and scary? Exactly? Those two things?
Speaker 1: I think Number one, Um, you know, my dad always
Speaker 1: told me you have to like any business person, you
Speaker 1: have to invest in yourself. You have to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It is because you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to pay bills, but also you
Speaker 1: know you should I spend it on Is it is?
Speaker 1: It foolish, is it stupid? You know, no one minds
Speaker 1: spending somebody else's money, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: even that, it's like you don't realize that the weight
Speaker 1: that that comes with, at least the weight is mine.
Speaker 1: The stakes are high, and just for me, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think people realize how much money it costs. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are moments when I'm surprised at how much money
Speaker 1: it costs, and it seems that the costs never end.
Speaker 1: I mean, to record it, you gotta get in a
Speaker 1: good studio, you gotta get engineers, you gotta get mixers,
Speaker 1: You've gotta get um, you know, the band, and then
Speaker 1: the cartage in there in the studio, and then you
Speaker 1: have all the amount of hours and the amount of
Speaker 1: labor that goes into it and editing and producing and
Speaker 1: then that alone once you get there, and then you've
Speaker 1: got to master it and then you think you're done,
Speaker 1: but then you gotta get artwork and then the packaging
Speaker 1: and then it just it never ends. So Lucy definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, um, she invested in herself like I think
Speaker 1: any smart persons should. If you really believe in yourself,
Speaker 1: you should be willing to put your money where your
Speaker 1: mouth is and and she did that, and um, I
Speaker 1: think that's usually respectful. Thank you. Also, I just love
Speaker 1: that you as a couple decided like you obviously believe
Speaker 1: in her so much as your wife and an artist
Speaker 1: that you're on board too, Like that is amazing to
Speaker 1: be y'all's relationship. Talk to me about what what you
Speaker 1: guys are like in the studio, Like, how's John and
Speaker 1: how's Lucy working together in the studio. He's It's it's
Speaker 1: fun because it's like, like I said, we when we met,
Speaker 1: it was like a time when you know, everyone was
Speaker 1: jamming around. It's like we knew we had the same
Speaker 1: influences musically. I mean, he's given me an education of
Speaker 1: music that I wouldn't have heard of growing in London.
Speaker 1: And yes, so we were getting the studio. It's fun
Speaker 1: and he's John is better. He's more disciplined than I am,
Speaker 1: so he would get to it time. I mean it's
Speaker 1: almost sometimes well when he's editing, I'll come back like
Speaker 1: an hour later, I'm like, you's still doing that snare drum.
Speaker 1: It's like he's so meticulous that it drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: And then at the same time, I respect it because
Speaker 1: that's kind of the discipline that I don't have. I
Speaker 1: don't like singing vocals very much. I like to sing
Speaker 1: it and just I'm like, well that's that's right, or
Speaker 1: I'll do it like this, and he did it right
Speaker 1: the first time. He'll do everything when he's playing guitar, especially,
Speaker 1: but he's so meticulous, um that he'll he wants he
Speaker 1: does everything, and I respect that. So in the studio,
Speaker 1: actually the two of us together, you know, somehow works.
Speaker 1: Actually don't know what I bring to the equation out
Speaker 1: your name is on it. I think that's it's not
Speaker 1: my name, it's just the name on the CD. That's
Speaker 1: what I bring. No, But it's an amazing it's fun
Speaker 1: and it's like we're sitting there going well in the
Speaker 1: world of music, I mean there's no one could hear it,
Speaker 1: or everyone could hear it. You just don't know. And
Speaker 1: in the world of music, you sit there going we
Speaker 1: have no rules, we have no boundaries. It's the only
Speaker 1: stress that came into it. Honestly, was never a creative one.
Speaker 1: It was never a dynamic thing. It would never we
Speaker 1: respect each other. There's no egos involved. Um. It's the
Speaker 1: financial side of it. That's when I get stressed, and
Speaker 1: that would stress John because he worried about me stressing out.
Speaker 1: So that was just where we'd support each other. And no,
Speaker 1: we have to keep working hard to keep this thing going.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I'm gonna leave you guys to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's planning to go over. I'm just getting
Speaker 1: in the way. Hey, you're not getting away before you go.
Speaker 1: Tell me how it felt when you want a c CMA.
Speaker 1: It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life.
Speaker 1: And and I want my brother and I had quite
Speaker 1: a bit to drink, and all I was thinking was Okay,
Speaker 1: no one expected it. So I was like, don't trip
Speaker 1: on stage, don't curse on national television, and thank Lucy,
Speaker 1: and I did all those things. So that was as
Speaker 1: much of a success to me as anything. And um,
Speaker 1: but it's incredible, you know, I don't know. I still
Speaker 1: every day I think about it, and it's something that
Speaker 1: I can't even wrap my head around. Well, your peers
Speaker 1: voted for it, right, Our peers are people, you know.
Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of the most amazing thing that your
Speaker 1: peers wanted you to win? That's why, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one thing It's like you know when when you're when
Speaker 1: when you win awards that are voted on by by
Speaker 1: the fans, a lot of times it's it is who
Speaker 1: the most famous, the most successful person is at the
Speaker 1: time that that wins because you have a huge fan base.
Speaker 1: It's just a number saying and anything that is fan
Speaker 1: voted and you went always feels amazing. But to be
Speaker 1: acknowledged by your peers, you feel like an immense amount
Speaker 1: of love because those are the people that you know
Speaker 1: and you see them on a daily basis, and you
Speaker 1: also have a level of like admiration for and um,
Speaker 1: it is an immense amount of love that you feel.
Speaker 1: It's the only thing. It's incredibly overwhelming. It was one
Speaker 1: of the most incredible, surreal experiences of my life. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever actually put it into
Speaker 1: words what it feels like. That's freaking it was when
Speaker 1: I saw from him was like it was that overwhelming
Speaker 1: emotion that he felt because he felt like he's been
Speaker 1: in this town so long as as has t J,
Speaker 1: and they work so long, and they've remained very they
Speaker 1: have a lot of humility and they remained like really
Speaker 1: sweet and team players with this town. And and I
Speaker 1: think that's what made us all emotional, was knowing that
Speaker 1: that award had come from their peers and how much
Speaker 1: goodwill in the room that was for them. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can if you feel that. I feel like
Speaker 1: you feel that gives you some sort of invincibility, if
Speaker 1: you feel like people are supporting you in that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you guys, Lucy, the Brothers, Osborne, all y'all's group,
Speaker 1: y'all radiate. And I was going to talk about this,
Speaker 1: y'all radiate truth and authenticity, Like I feel like all
Speaker 1: the people that you guys read around around with, it
Speaker 1: is so crucial that y'all are honest and authentic, authentic, authentic,
Speaker 1: I feel and I feel like people gravitate towards that
Speaker 1: because after a while, no one wants people to bullshit them.
Speaker 1: You just want to know the real person. And all
Speaker 1: of you guys are like that, Yeah, we're real people,
Speaker 1: and that's how you are, and we've known you for
Speaker 1: years and and everyone in a thousand Horses, all those boys,
Speaker 1: it's like, as soon as we hang out with each other,
Speaker 1: there's a level of comfort because we trust each other.
Speaker 1: We know that we're getting the real human and and
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, music and
Speaker 1: success aside, you just want to be around people that
Speaker 1: you love, and you want to be around just genuine people.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're a genuine asshole. As long
Speaker 1: as you're genuine, it's all good. Just be a consistently
Speaker 1: genuine asshole, So I don't. I just love that. And
Speaker 1: you know, and our lives can be crazy sometimes, but
Speaker 1: when we come home, that's home base and everything just
Speaker 1: goes away. And and um, this is what it's about.
Speaker 1: You know, your your your career is just something that
Speaker 1: isn't the end result. The end result is a life
Speaker 1: that makes you happy. And I feel like our lives together,
Speaker 1: you know, is everything to me. Okay, that's the most
Speaker 1: beautiful thing ever. Anyway, on that note, I really do
Speaker 1: have to go alright by John, thanks for us. I mean,
Speaker 1: if y'all are not the sweetest, cutest kind of he's
Speaker 1: so sweet. It's like it's the sweetest thing. Like I
Speaker 1: got always this sweet and like loving and respectful and
Speaker 1: just perfect. I mean, sometimes we just ignore each other,
Speaker 1: but that's because we're in the house. But that's the thing,
Speaker 1: you know, when you were in the house with someone
Speaker 1: and as long as they're in the house, you have
Speaker 1: that feeling of contentment and peace because you know they're there,
Speaker 1: even though you know, and he often will sit there
Speaker 1: and just play guitar and work on his amps and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and it gives me a
Speaker 1: great sense of like peace. You know, we do. We
Speaker 1: do get along really well. He is my favorite person.
Speaker 1: He's fun to be with, and you know, it's a
Speaker 1: good thing that he is my favorite person. Because we
Speaker 1: live together. That would be that would be hard. And
Speaker 1: you've decided to join lives, yes, exactly, so it would
Speaker 1: be difficult if we didn't. But what is the secret?
Speaker 1: Child's marriage dated for a while too, right, we did.
Speaker 1: We've been together for a long time, and we did.
Speaker 1: We had a very difficult beginning because we got together
Speaker 1: and then I went back to England and we were like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to do this long distance thing.
Speaker 1: It was so hard to figure out where our lives
Speaker 1: were going because we were like, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm going to live in England. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm going to live in America. And then I
Speaker 1: think at one stage I think I decided, you know,
Speaker 1: to come here and I wanted, how did you make
Speaker 1: that decision? Because you were crushing it in England, sold
Speaker 1: a million albums. I always heard on this thing with
Speaker 1: Charlotte Church. I don't know. You told me that one
Speaker 1: time and I have never forgotten it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're saying, like, oh the Vogue, like with Charlotte, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, like the things you have done and the
Speaker 1: way you dominated in Europe to pack up a move
Speaker 1: to Nashville has got to be scary. It was really scary.
Speaker 1: I mean it had been a while, it had been
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and I fell in love. I mean,
Speaker 1: who doesn't fall in love with Nashville? You not you?
Speaker 1: How do you not drink the kool aid? And like,
Speaker 1: just not you? You're intoxicated by it because you got
Speaker 1: in right away too, with a great group of people too.
Speaker 1: I feel like the first time I met you were
Speaker 1: hanging out with Cree, Harrison Brothers, Osborne Josh, with Charlie Worsham,
Speaker 1: Casey Musk Graham's Did you meet them right away? I
Speaker 1: didn't meet Casey right away. I didn't meet Casey two
Speaker 1: years later, but I met, yeah, Cree and I lived
Speaker 1: to I mean, it was funny because I think the
Speaker 1: first people I met were actually Barry Dean and Busby.
Speaker 1: They were the first two guys I met um. And
Speaker 1: then I then realized that Chrysalis, the publishing company I
Speaker 1: was signed to at the time, was in Nashville. And
Speaker 1: then I met John and Donnie and Josh and and
Speaker 1: all those guys, Billy and and that's when I met
Speaker 1: you as well. And and then I met Cree, And
Speaker 1: I remember Cree was looking to move out at home,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you want to come live
Speaker 1: with me? You know, I'm going to come stay here
Speaker 1: for a few months, you know, maybe you could move in.
Speaker 1: And we became crystless really linked it all up. Chrysalis
Speaker 1: linked it up, and and and then I'd go back
Speaker 1: home and I'd come back, and it was years before.
Speaker 1: Really I never really felt like I left once I
Speaker 1: came here, you know, And it was very difficult to
Speaker 1: make that. It is difficult even moving house alone, moving countries, Um.
Speaker 1: And you know the good thing about it is my
Speaker 1: parents live in New Zealand, my sisters live in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: So I've never felt I've always had a nomadic life.
Speaker 1: We've always moved around I've never felt like one place
Speaker 1: as my home until now. I'm with John and we're
Speaker 1: married and we have this home and I can't see
Speaker 1: myself living anywhere else now. But up until now, it's
Speaker 1: been quite It's changed a lot over the years. So
Speaker 1: talk to me about your early life. Your mom was
Speaker 1: an opera singer. She was no, well, my grandma sang
Speaker 1: opera in her church. And my mom actually was in
Speaker 1: a band. I mean she I didn't find this out
Speaker 1: to way later. When she was eighteen. She was in
Speaker 1: a band and she played bass for this band. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your mom's cool, and she was. I was like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, can you still play bass? Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to need to see this, and um, but she was.
Speaker 1: Actually I think the thing was that her parents were
Speaker 1: very very strict. They were very very conservative family. Um,
Speaker 1: I come from a Jewish dad and a Christian mom.
Speaker 1: So and she converted. So we had such a mixture
Speaker 1: of of an upbringing. And they wanted to sing classical
Speaker 1: music and they were they were really not having it
Speaker 1: for her to sing anything else. Sorry, and and so really, um,
Speaker 1: she didn't want to do that, and she she had
Speaker 1: major stage fright. She because I grew up listening to
Speaker 1: a lot of singers as well, like Judy Garland and
Speaker 1: bober Streisen, and my mom used to hear that barber
Speaker 1: Streisen had huge stage fright, and that used to make
Speaker 1: my mom feel a bit better. But she's still I
Speaker 1: think really she got married and she wanted to make
Speaker 1: her whole life about my dad, which was was amazing.
Speaker 1: But she does have an amazing voice and always I
Speaker 1: think that's what gave me the confidence hearing her saying
Speaker 1: to go and start singing. So how did you get
Speaker 1: into music? Because you started young. You started songwriting super young,
Speaker 1: super young, like maybe started writting songs on the piano.
Speaker 1: I was like ten, I mean they were awful like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I listess up, they were good, but they weren't.
Speaker 1: And you know, I certainly wasn't singing like a young
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I was like I was. I listened back
Speaker 1: to it now and it's like really nasally and excruciating.
Speaker 1: But but I was definitely a music love and my
Speaker 1: parents had huge record collections. I'd sang all the time.
Speaker 1: We all played we all saying this, my sisters saying,
Speaker 1: but you play mandolin and piano. I played piano piano
Speaker 1: is my main instrument. I played piano mandolin because I
Speaker 1: was so bored of I couldn't play the games. I
Speaker 1: have never been able to get my head around the guitar.
Speaker 1: I can play a few chords, but I don't have
Speaker 1: the ability to play it on stage. And so I thought, well,
Speaker 1: the mandolin small one, maybe I'll try that. And I
Speaker 1: was just like, this fits my five ft one body,
Speaker 1: and and John kind of helped me through, just teaching
Speaker 1: me a few things, and it's become really fun to play.
Speaker 1: But my sisters played instruments, and we you know, we
Speaker 1: always were always the kind of family that were taught
Speaker 1: to try anything once at least. And and but no,
Speaker 1: I didn't actually get into the music industry that young.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was probably well I was seventeen, so
Speaker 1: I guess that's young in the scheme of things, But
Speaker 1: I was. My parents were strict about it. They were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't meet anybody, you can't go on the road,
Speaker 1: you can't do this. But then you started going on
Speaker 1: the road and touring back up when I did, so
Speaker 1: you said, sorry, parents, thanks for the Well. I think
Speaker 1: it's because of who it was with it was with
Speaker 1: this woman called jud Zook and her and she's an
Speaker 1: amazing singer songwriter. She kind of she had this big
Speaker 1: hit in Europe when she was like eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: and then she was just such a prolific songwriter and
Speaker 1: she didn't necessarily want fame. She just wanted to be
Speaker 1: express her art, express her art, and and I heard
Speaker 1: her stepdaughters one of my best friends. So so that's
Speaker 1: how my parents were okay with this great easier way
Speaker 1: into these They trusted it. I mean, god, we were
Speaker 1: like it was got quite rock and roll on the road.
Speaker 1: We were like I was young, and we were like
Speaker 1: drinking all sorts and we were you know, we would
Speaker 1: we had a good time, and it was it kind
Speaker 1: of I grew up fast because and I knew I
Speaker 1: could see what she was going through as an artist.
Speaker 1: I could see we were in a vent traveling up
Speaker 1: and down the UK, which back then, you know, it
Speaker 1: was it was very We did it all ourselves, and
Speaker 1: it made me want to be on the road. It
Speaker 1: was very young age to be on the road doing
Speaker 1: it's like that, you know. So that's when you go
Speaker 1: at the bag and you're like, this is the life
Speaker 1: for me. Absolutely. I mean I always thought that I
Speaker 1: grew up watching my favorite singers, and I always just
Speaker 1: wanted to be on stage. And admittately I grew up
Speaker 1: with singers more than I grew up with songwriters. I
Speaker 1: didn't even though I was writing songs, I didn't pay
Speaker 1: much attention to the songwriters of this world. It was
Speaker 1: all about voices. For me. It was all about Edda
Speaker 1: James and who are your favorite? Probably added James, m
Speaker 1: Probably Roberta Flack, um Nina Simone. People like that because
Speaker 1: you have so much soul, and like you can feel
Speaker 1: the ache in your voice too when you sing, like
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're singing, I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going through whatever you're singing about with you. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think it's just I don't know whether
Speaker 1: that came to me young or because I think the
Speaker 1: older I've gotten life has played its part in the
Speaker 1: way I sing. And I think that happens for a
Speaker 1: lot of artists that just dive into their music and
Speaker 1: I'm not capable of That's been hard for me. I
Speaker 1: think I'm not capable of doing things that I think
Speaker 1: will get me to hear I'm only capable of doing
Speaker 1: what I feel, and that makes you a true artist.
Speaker 1: Thank you and I but it's it's hard in that
Speaker 1: way as well, because you I feel like you don't
Speaker 1: give yourself much leeway. But then you're still being true,
Speaker 1: so that's a good thing. Well, And I am really
Speaker 1: all about the secret and the universe and following your
Speaker 1: heart and you're calling I believe that if you are
Speaker 1: truly committed to the authenticity in your heart, it will
Speaker 1: be what it is supposed to be and nothing can
Speaker 1: stop it. I think you're right, and I think I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that I've figured out, like as
Speaker 1: a human being, or I'm trying to figure out, is
Speaker 1: like is like you you actually get what you ask for.
Speaker 1: And I think deep down you need to realize what
Speaker 1: it is you're really asking for. Because some people really
Speaker 1: do want that huge fame. Some people want to have
Speaker 1: a quiet life and just find the perfect partner in
Speaker 1: the family. I mean, we are kind of a lot
Speaker 1: of us want all of those things. But I've never
Speaker 1: really wanted to be um hugely famous or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make music and tour and find
Speaker 1: the people that appreciate it and want to hear it,
Speaker 1: and and honestly, I've never thought of myself as any
Speaker 1: kind of celebrity or person like that. It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: So it's just and that's not it's like I don't
Speaker 1: enjoy events and being on set. I love being on stage.
Speaker 1: That's fine, that's something you're doing naturally. So and John
Speaker 1: is the same way, Like John plays guitar, and the
Speaker 1: only bold you know, and it really really confident side
Speaker 1: of him is when he's playing. So when he's playing,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, this guy has so much
Speaker 1: confidence and so much self belief. But then he comes
Speaker 1: off stage and he's a very unassuming. He's a conable,
Speaker 1: approachable character. He's fun and bold, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: speaks loud, and everyone thinks he's super extroverted, but actually
Speaker 1: he's not really other than playing guitar. I love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to go there a few things. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: first off, here's a couple of quotes you said that
Speaker 1: I think are amazing talking about you. You said music
Speaker 1: brings me join heartbreak every day. I'm hopelessly addicted if
Speaker 1: and then you had a picture and said it looks
Speaker 1: painful and it is the kind I love to sing about,
Speaker 1: which I love because all of the songs you're sing
Speaker 1: there's an ache, like especially this new trilogy that you
Speaker 1: just released, Rolling Stones released it. You have three part
Speaker 1: music videos and songs. It's Villain, Letters to Go and
Speaker 1: Smoke just came out. Okay, But before that, you sold
Speaker 1: a million albums in Europe, a million, Lucy you have,
Speaker 1: and then you were you toured with Elton John, Jamie, Colin,
Speaker 1: Macy Gray, you staying with Charlotte Church all that You've
Speaker 1: had several records. Talk to me about that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing about it. But a million albums, I
Speaker 1: mean that took a while. It's not like it happened
Speaker 1: all in one, but it is amazing. When I think
Speaker 1: about it, and I think about the it's so weird
Speaker 1: because I always remember saying to one of my friends,
Speaker 1: like when he broke up with this girl that he
Speaker 1: really loved and he was heartbroken. I remember saying, we
Speaker 1: lived ten different lives, like it's gonna be okay, like
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking that really is like if you
Speaker 1: think about yourself ten years ago or you know, all
Speaker 1: those kind of things, you think, who was I and
Speaker 1: what was I doing? And I I think I was
Speaker 1: completely I still am still an idiot, but like you know,
Speaker 1: but I look at it and I think, God, I
Speaker 1: really did have another life and almost career that I
Speaker 1: was doing. I was. I was kind of a workaholic.
Speaker 1: I found a bit more balanced now, um, really, all
Speaker 1: I I would just you know, eat, sleep, and breathe music.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't now, I just do
Speaker 1: it in a different way. I think I'd do it
Speaker 1: in a healthier way, in a more enjoyable way. Um,
Speaker 1: But back then, I had a blast. I met incredible
Speaker 1: people like you say, Jamie Jamie Cullum and Elton John
Speaker 1: and he's amazing, and Elton John and Lionel Richie I
Speaker 1: did duet with and that was crazy. And that was
Speaker 1: like someone I'd listened to when I was a kid
Speaker 1: and listened to the Commodores and like and and he
Speaker 1: was so and the guy has sold a hundred million
Speaker 1: records and it's he was so humble. I was a
Speaker 1: brand new person that he'd probably never heard of, apart
Speaker 1: from hearing my voice for a second and going yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: you know. And he I he came on stage and
Speaker 1: he was so sweet and nice and respectful to everybody
Speaker 1: around him, and I thought that this guy is what
Speaker 1: legends are made of. He's so talented, he's written songs
Speaker 1: that are literally household songs. They're they're part of our lives,
Speaker 1: and yet he's so nice and unassuming. Do you feel
Speaker 1: that that's a key element to being really, really successful.
Speaker 1: I know there's some assholes out there, but I keep
Speaker 1: hearing that the really great are the most humble, like
Speaker 1: nice and kind people that you could ever meet. I
Speaker 1: think I don't know if there's one rule for everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I know that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: tortured souls out and we're all tortured souls in a way,
Speaker 1: and you know, not every no one's perfect, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people have even that video trilogy that was
Speaker 1: kind of what that's about is that, you know, I
Speaker 1: try to be a good person, and I think everyone
Speaker 1: tries to be a good person. I have sometimes my
Speaker 1: pride hurts, and that's when the side of me I
Speaker 1: don't like comes out, and that well, all of them,
Speaker 1: it's like, well mainly villain as well. It's like saying, okay,
Speaker 1: I take the blame for the sides of me that
Speaker 1: I didn't handle very well, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff and smoke is like
Speaker 1: it's the it's the kind of temptation to do the
Speaker 1: wrong things again and again and again, and and it's
Speaker 1: someone saying, you know, help me, save me from myself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think you know
Speaker 1: some of our great artists. I think you see Dolly Parton,
Speaker 1: who's one of my favorites as well. She seems so
Speaker 1: down to earth. She seems like she's got life figured out.
Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't. I don't know that that's the way
Speaker 1: it looks. And she's got this enormous talent, and I
Speaker 1: feel like she hasn't got it by stepping on anyone.
Speaker 1: She hasn't got it by being dishonest or being competitive.
Speaker 1: The only one you should be competing with is yourself.
Speaker 1: And there's room for everybody if you actually look to
Speaker 1: yourself and want to do something you know substantial and
Speaker 1: for yourself. And but it is hard. This is a
Speaker 1: competitive world a lot, especially in the women's world. We're
Speaker 1: all pitted sort of against each other, and when we're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be we're actually the only ones that
Speaker 1: know how it feels to be us, so we actually
Speaker 1: need to support each other. And I've found in this
Speaker 1: town it's I actually feel that more than ever, this
Speaker 1: sound is so supportive and it's super embracing women right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so talk to me about that a little bit. And
Speaker 1: even with CMTS next Moment of Country, because that's been
Speaker 1: a movement that's been happening lately that you're a part of.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's just incredible how women and
Speaker 1: country music are really coming together and supporting each other.
Speaker 1: They are I think we're you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: in this town in Nashville, it's astounding to see how
Speaker 1: people because they say, you know, in high tide, all ships,
Speaker 1: all ships rise, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a lovely expression because it's like you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to you're supposed to aspire to the people around you.
Speaker 1: So I think people like drink it in like it's
Speaker 1: like I need this. I need to be around these
Speaker 1: people because it lifts me up and it inspires me
Speaker 1: and motivates me. And and and with the CMT have
Speaker 1: been amazing to me. And there's all the change of
Speaker 1: the convo and that the kind of support women trying
Speaker 1: to get them to um, you know, exist in a
Speaker 1: world that's equal. But actually, I think it's all up
Speaker 1: to us individually to do something that stands up to
Speaker 1: actually be strong about it. And it's just that, you know,
Speaker 1: if we come into a room really really confident, we
Speaker 1: get labeled a certain way. It doesn't always look good.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be sort of a little meeker and
Speaker 1: feminine and sweet. But actually, you know, there's women out
Speaker 1: there with something to say and they and they have
Speaker 1: to shout about it otherwise they don't get noticed. So
Speaker 1: I'm really inspired watching some of the women in this town,
Speaker 1: like Marin and Casey as well, like you know, driving
Speaker 1: things saying I'm going to do it this way. I
Speaker 1: don't need that, I don't need this. I don't need
Speaker 1: this person telling me how to do my career. And
Speaker 1: to have the confidence to be authentic when especially maybe
Speaker 1: people are telling you you can't be to say like,
Speaker 1: I don't even care that dad takes a lot of
Speaker 1: balls because what if your label backs out? What if
Speaker 1: you lose your deal? If you just but you commit
Speaker 1: to being authentic. And that's what's so cool is seeing
Speaker 1: these people commit to being authentic and seeing how it
Speaker 1: responds with people. It's it's it's and it's hard, and
Speaker 1: it's okay that it's hard. It's a challenge to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I've decided, this is who
Speaker 1: I am, and this is what my goal is and things.
Speaker 1: It's natural for things to come and and fall away
Speaker 1: from you and your career and you've just it's very profound. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like, but it's it's just part of life.
Speaker 1: And it's like, if you don't have your eye on
Speaker 1: your goal that's true to you, then you're going to
Speaker 1: take it all extremely personally. And sometimes I do. I
Speaker 1: sometimes think, well what should I do if should I
Speaker 1: be fitting in? Should I be changing what I do
Speaker 1: to suit this or that? But actually, no, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: not everybody gets to where they want to go, but
Speaker 1: at least get there in a way that makes you proud, like,
Speaker 1: at least get there right a way where you know
Speaker 1: I didn't bend, because you know when you've done it,
Speaker 1: you know, when you've compromised yourself and you go home
Speaker 1: and you look in the mirror that night, you just
Speaker 1: feel a bit dirty, dirty, you know, you feel like
Speaker 1: I don't want what I said today or what I
Speaker 1: did today. It wasn't authentic like you say, And I
Speaker 1: think you've just gotta I'm trying my best to I
Speaker 1: can't really speak for anyone else, but I see the
Speaker 1: people that are not afraid to offend anyone or and
Speaker 1: it's not even about that, it's about they're not afraid
Speaker 1: to actually be themselves and be liked or disliked. And
Speaker 1: that's a big thing if you if you're scared of
Speaker 1: being disliked, then you're just going to live in your
Speaker 1: own shadow. It's so true, exactly. So tell me about
Speaker 1: you said you know where you want to go? Where
Speaker 1: is what have used the rod in as where you
Speaker 1: want to go with your music career, and it was
Speaker 1: Letters to Go is a big part of that. Let
Speaker 1: Us to Go with a huge part of it because
Speaker 1: I came out of being with major labels and and
Speaker 1: then let Us to gos was an independent endeavor and
Speaker 1: and it's been especially coming to a country like America
Speaker 1: is so big, and a British artist in a town
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, I kind of exist in a
Speaker 1: lot of pockets, you know, so it's difficult to necessarily
Speaker 1: decipher what that is. And I don't really want to
Speaker 1: fit in anywhere. I want to stay in my own lane.
Speaker 1: I think that's my biggest goal. I want to I
Speaker 1: see the kind of career the artists like Chris Stapleton
Speaker 1: or case you have where they have. You've been touring
Speaker 1: with Chris Stapleton, which is which is? Which is crazy?
Speaker 1: The people that I really really admire and respect, and
Speaker 1: and and the Brothers obviously as well. Just got off
Speaker 1: the dirt Rich Short to have to talk about the
Speaker 1: Nashville show, And yes, I can't wait, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where I go. I
Speaker 1: want to stay in my lane. I want to perform
Speaker 1: to audiences. It's for me. I'll either get on the
Speaker 1: radio or I won't, or you'll either see me on
Speaker 1: TV or you won't. But I'm not worrying about it,
Speaker 1: not really, because I kind of know the kind of
Speaker 1: music I make. I don't make. How would you describe it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it is popular music. I
Speaker 1: think it's quite mainstream what I do. But it is
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of influences. It has influences of
Speaker 1: of country, it has influences of motown, pop um and
Speaker 1: you can't really place that anywhere. So really, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find my audience and get out there on
Speaker 1: the road and be a touring artist. That's really all
Speaker 1: I care about. Care about making records on the way
Speaker 1: John Maya does he and you see that and you go, well,
Speaker 1: is John Maya? Pop? Is he? Country? Is he? Soul
Speaker 1: is folks? He's a million things that you either like
Speaker 1: it or you don't like. I don't want to sit
Speaker 1: here and put my own music in a box. And
Speaker 1: if that's a problem for the music industry, that's not
Speaker 1: going to stop me doing records. Um. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: Marathon show with the Brothers, Okay, so you were on tour,
Speaker 1: the Dirt Rich tour. It was the Brothers Asmore and
Speaker 1: you guys, and y'all sold out marathon of music works.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was out of control. How was
Speaker 1: that show? Oh man? I was so proud of them,
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, I'm proud to be with them.
Speaker 1: I'm proud that they love my music that you know,
Speaker 1: of course that my family. But you know, they don't
Speaker 1: want any one on the stage that the music doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, something that they're into or that they like
Speaker 1: and and I think it was a great fit because
Speaker 1: we both want people to have a musical experience. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily who's in the charts and who can celtickets.
Speaker 1: It's like we want something that's going to add to
Speaker 1: the whole experience of Brothers Osborne. And that night we
Speaker 1: were I had major anxiety. We were really nervous because
Speaker 1: it's Nashville and there is people in the room, Like
Speaker 1: We're like, this is the most talented audience we've ever
Speaker 1: sunk to. It's like everyone in the room can pretty
Speaker 1: much slay with as singing and playing and writing, and
Speaker 1: it's like you're basically it's it's it's like it was
Speaker 1: like the Grammys to what I imagine the Grammys to be, Like,
Speaker 1: I got to sing in front of these people. It's
Speaker 1: like Mick Jagger sitting over there and John Legend. It's
Speaker 1: like and it's it's really really lle Grammy of Nashville.
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. And and and yet you
Speaker 1: the opposite feeling to that is you feel so much
Speaker 1: love and support in the room. And I was so honest.
Speaker 1: I loved being on stage, and I loved opening and
Speaker 1: I loved being able to play for our friends and Nashville.
Speaker 1: But it wom my heart because seeing them go. You've
Speaker 1: seen it too, you know how hard they've worked. There's
Speaker 1: a dump ster outside. Hey, we're just real life over here.
Speaker 1: I know, this is it. This is like it's Friday
Speaker 1: trash day day, which is great. It's not a recycled
Speaker 1: day because our recycle bin was overflowing. Like that's good,
Speaker 1: good people we're trying to do. I think that the
Speaker 1: proudest thing was to see me, to see the boys
Speaker 1: like just achieve that and go the first hometown show
Speaker 1: in four years and just be and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just makes me want to cry thinking about it,
Speaker 1: because they really did have to work and work and work,
Speaker 1: never quit, never quit. And then they've re advented themselves.
Speaker 1: They've even they've they've they've danced this dance and they've
Speaker 1: and they've tried their best to do what's asked of them,
Speaker 1: but also stay very true to the kind of music
Speaker 1: they like. And you see them on stage, and you
Speaker 1: see them even walk into a room and you think
Speaker 1: they are who they are. They are not putting on
Speaker 1: a show for anybody that you know, they're not afraid
Speaker 1: to say anything to anyone, and the good people, and
Speaker 1: they have a good family and and they have huge
Speaker 1: family values, and I think it just comes out, like
Speaker 1: we go back to authenticity. It comes out as artists.
Speaker 1: I think that's why people can't help but love them,
Speaker 1: because their music is just an extension of who they are.
Speaker 1: And you, Lucy, are the same you radio that same
Speaker 1: vibe because they say your vibe attracts your tribe. And seriously,
Speaker 1: I like the yeah, you guys, that's why you are
Speaker 1: such a fit. It's such a It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: the music Mafia was back in the day. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's this whole new thing Maia. Like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like the truth. Everyone just being so real and
Speaker 1: being themselves. I mean, truthfully, there are so many people
Speaker 1: in this town that we look up to. Um, there
Speaker 1: are so many talented artists. I could truly spend hours
Speaker 1: naming like and that's unusual because usually you can name
Speaker 1: maybe two or three artists that you think are truly special.
Speaker 1: But this town is full of very very special people
Speaker 1: and and they you know, we look at groups of people.
Speaker 1: I remember coming to down and seeing ten out of
Speaker 1: ten and just going, oh, Yeah, that was the thing
Speaker 1: that I just want to be near them. I just
Speaker 1: want to laugh up all the energy of those people
Speaker 1: because that they are creative force and they were so
Speaker 1: talented and I was like, that's the coolest thing ever,
Speaker 1: and just seeing the way that they were all artists individually,
Speaker 1: but they came together and created something really special. And
Speaker 1: I think with you know all the friends. You know,
Speaker 1: we have friends dotted around Nashville that don't hang together
Speaker 1: all the time, but they all inspire me. They I'm
Speaker 1: I'm always seeing what my friends do and I'm amazed
Speaker 1: how people are conducting their lives and their careers. And
Speaker 1: for me being a slight outsider coming from England, I'm
Speaker 1: just learning. I'm learning how to keep my find my
Speaker 1: place and keep my own place. You know, I think
Speaker 1: you're killing it. So Rolling Stones named you want to
Speaker 1: one tin Artist one of tin Artists to watch, and
Speaker 1: then they also premiered your smoke video trilogy is the
Speaker 1: third one in your trilogy. How did you decide to
Speaker 1: make these videos? Because you made three music videos that
Speaker 1: are so haunting and amazing. What inspired you to make
Speaker 1: a music video to go to the songs and to
Speaker 1: release him as a trilogy. I think it was just
Speaker 1: like I was, videos and photo shoots and all that
Speaker 1: stuff like it can be fun, but it's not the
Speaker 1: most comfortable side of things for me and a lot
Speaker 1: of artists. The most comfortable side is on stage or
Speaker 1: being in the studio. So these and I've come to
Speaker 1: love the visual side of things because it became fun.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm going to create this character
Speaker 1: and she's I don't want to kill her off too
Speaker 1: soon because she happened in letters to goes what happened
Speaker 1: after the trunk of the car? You know, who is
Speaker 1: the character? Break her down? She's she is a villain,
Speaker 1: and she's like the side of everybody that nobody really
Speaker 1: wants to admit. It's the side that has ever been
Speaker 1: in a relationship and and acted like an idiot, you know,
Speaker 1: or maybe said or done the wrong thing, or not
Speaker 1: always been you know, the person she wants to be
Speaker 1: in every scenario. And I think, but it's also all
Speaker 1: your vices and all your you know, all the parts
Speaker 1: of you that you know deep down inside exists in
Speaker 1: all of us, all those devil on our shoulder, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to us. And I think that's what those videos
Speaker 1: were about and I liked the idea of I've heard
Speaker 1: of concept albums, but I've never heard of concept videos,
Speaker 1: and that they were all connected as one story. And
Speaker 1: I liked seeing her go from obviously being a socialite
Speaker 1: about town with paul Rick Brantley and the trunk and
Speaker 1: then you know, going to prison and having this guy
Speaker 1: that's obviously a love interest that was a major acting too,
Speaker 1: and he was so great, like he was singing him
Speaker 1: back on the glass and crying, oh my god. He
Speaker 1: blew over there, just stoic with like like you had
Speaker 1: made up the face that you kept too was liketing
Speaker 1: was out of control. Thank you, Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: actually had had ran a friend of mine who was
Speaker 1: an actress and said, you know, how do I get
Speaker 1: my head into this? Because I've got such a d
Speaker 1: D that I'm like, how do I focus? And she
Speaker 1: was like, you you just think about something that's hurt
Speaker 1: you or broken your heart and just stay in that moment.
Speaker 1: And I really wanted to be coached to to come
Speaker 1: across for it to be real, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so thank you and in tense like and when
Speaker 1: I looked at him, like bashing on the glass. I
Speaker 1: was almost like, at the end of the take, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I believe him, and he
Speaker 1: was so amazing, and he kind of motivated me in
Speaker 1: that scene as well, because he was all in, all in,
Speaker 1: I really believed it. And the Smoke video as well,
Speaker 1: you know, she ends up in this, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess it's like a twenty eight days later, you know,
Speaker 1: like rehab facility, and I love and all my friends
Speaker 1: are in the video of my friend Karina, and my
Speaker 1: friends Alex in the video, and Shane and and h
Speaker 1: and Mary Lynn Stella was in the video, and all
Speaker 1: these people that I wanted I knew could play those roles.
Speaker 1: And I liked it because obviously at the end of
Speaker 1: the Smoke you see the twist where actually these characters
Speaker 1: don't exist, aren't They're only in her head. They're actually
Speaker 1: multiple parts of her personality. Just so ever and amazing,
Speaker 1: thank you, And it's like it's it's kind of sinister,
Speaker 1: and I like that. I've always been a big fan
Speaker 1: of like thrillers and like all that kind of thing
Speaker 1: that keeps your edge, psychological thrillers, and that's probably my
Speaker 1: way of trying to be creative and trying to act
Speaker 1: a little bit and create this villain character and live
Speaker 1: it out on my videos. So it's amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So tell me the highlights of twenty sixteen for you,
Speaker 1: because I feel like that was a big year for you, Smoker.
Speaker 1: I mean, Letters It Goes came out at the end
Speaker 1: of is that right? It smoked the end of twenties sixteen.
Speaker 1: The Letters Goes album That's right, Yes, Yes, came out independently,
Speaker 1: and then I signed a deal in the UK, so
Speaker 1: it was just for the UK on Decca, and it
Speaker 1: was like trying to get the album a bigger push.
Speaker 1: But all throughout two thousand and sixteen, I had this
Speaker 1: just train. I had to keep pushing. I feel like
Speaker 1: you doing the independent album, even though it was scary
Speaker 1: and exciting and all of the feelings, it led to
Speaker 1: so many doors opening for you. I feel not that
Speaker 1: you even need doors opening, but like just to see
Speaker 1: this is that coming. People were realizing, oh, okay, this
Speaker 1: is Lucy's heart, Like this is her sound and she's
Speaker 1: committing to a full force. I feel like so many
Speaker 1: things like CMT Next One Country happened, and then honestly,
Speaker 1: like you started touring with Bobby Burns and the raging Idiots,
Speaker 1: and that's awesome and it was so fun. He's so
Speaker 1: many people came on board because and they heard it organically.
Speaker 1: I think Bobby heard it because Lindsay l had invited
Speaker 1: me to come sing a song with her and he
Speaker 1: saw it and he was like, well, who's that and
Speaker 1: she said, I gotta give you her music and it
Speaker 1: was so sweet. That's another example of women supporting each other.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, and people like CMT and
Speaker 1: behind you, so they got behind me an artist, the
Speaker 1: biggest rolling stone has totally gotten behind you. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I never would have dreamed that up. And and the
Speaker 1: biggest thing for me has been when I looked at
Speaker 1: the artist in this town that I admired and then
Speaker 1: ended up on tour with them and Willie Nelson people,
Speaker 1: and it blows my mind. It does blow my mind
Speaker 1: because I always think, well, you know a people I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not really I don't have a team. I have
Speaker 1: me and my manager, and then I mean and then
Speaker 1: I obviously, after a while of doing some work, I
Speaker 1: had Jay Williams as an agent, which also I have
Speaker 1: so much respect for and he believes in me, and
Speaker 1: he's remember having a conversation saying he's like, I believe
Speaker 1: in this. I don't care how long it takes. I've
Speaker 1: had artists I've worked with before go through so many things.
Speaker 1: I don't need anyone else to tell me that you're great,
Speaker 1: that you're great, and I want to help you. And
Speaker 1: how amazing to have someone like that as your champion,
Speaker 1: really great, amazing like I I couldn't And it makes
Speaker 1: me very emotional because, like I said, there's nobody making
Speaker 1: my manager and me make those calls or make those
Speaker 1: things happen with the music itself. We don't have this
Speaker 1: machine that is able to do that for me. So
Speaker 1: it makes me really proud. And now I've just got
Speaker 1: to keep going and make this new album, and which
Speaker 1: is what I'm starting to do now. So okay, so
Speaker 1: talk about the new album. What is that gonna be like?
Speaker 1: And what can we Oh my god, I love you
Speaker 1: u um and you know, UM, I think this. I'm
Speaker 1: really really excited because to me, let Us to Goos
Speaker 1: was such a good introductory here in America, and now
Speaker 1: I kind of want to bring even more of my
Speaker 1: influences into it. I'm again, I'm not going to worry
Speaker 1: about where it felts that that to me is like
Speaker 1: the biggest fresh breath of fresh air, thank you. And
Speaker 1: so it feels so good that you're just doing what
Speaker 1: you want to do. It's exciting because it's like there
Speaker 1: are no boundaries. I know what could happen with it, right,
Speaker 1: I love a lot of different kinds of music. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing a lot of tour dates this year
Speaker 1: with some exciting things like there's there's there's gonna be
Speaker 1: twenty tour dates that we're going to renounce in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, which is really really exciting. And
Speaker 1: then you know, now I've got to be in the
Speaker 1: studio recording, and I think it's going to be quite
Speaker 1: a modern sound, but with a mixture of a lot
Speaker 1: of um my favorite things like Royal Person and Jeff
Speaker 1: Jeff Lynn even and and uh, you know, some Motown
Speaker 1: in there, and obviously I love the Jackson five and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I think it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: we've started to do even artwork for it, which is
Speaker 1: it's just so exciting because to me, again, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a creative mood board that you can do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I'm like, this is where I'm at. I
Speaker 1: always thought artists it's like someone comes into the lives
Speaker 1: and presses a pause button and then they make an
Speaker 1: album and that's where they are, and it's I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I just got to get my head down and get
Speaker 1: my head back into creative mode because we've been on
Speaker 1: the road for ages and that sometimes that's hard to
Speaker 1: get back in the swing of things. So so what
Speaker 1: if you could plan out Seen? What what are you
Speaker 1: looking forward to the most? If you could plan this
Speaker 1: whole year? Yeah, I think were going according to plan.
Speaker 1: What are you hoping to happen in Seen? I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that I could really put my music on the map.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can get out there and tour
Speaker 1: and do my own tour, however small, and by the
Speaker 1: end of this year, I would love to do some
Speaker 1: on my own dates. Um. I'm very excited about the
Speaker 1: artists I'll be out on the road with the year. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's just further you know, motivation for me to
Speaker 1: keep going and knowing that I'm doing the right things.
Speaker 1: These people that you respect want hugely, hugely and um,
Speaker 1: and then I would love you know, I obviously would
Speaker 1: just love people to hear my music because I think
Speaker 1: I've gotten some amazing support within the industry and and
Speaker 1: and gaining fans, you know, slowly but surely. But I
Speaker 1: really want to get out there and do more. I'm
Speaker 1: just I think, you know, ambition and expectation are two
Speaker 1: very different things. I have huge misition and expectation. Okay,
Speaker 1: break that down for me. So I have huge ambitions.
Speaker 1: I want to be on tour. I want to play.
Speaker 1: I have dreams to play venues like the Greek Theater
Speaker 1: and Madison Square Gardens and all those things. I want
Speaker 1: to do a million things. I want to tour with
Speaker 1: the band. I want to write albums. I want to
Speaker 1: write for other people. I want which By the way,
Speaker 1: you've got a Miranda Lambert cut I did what was
Speaker 1: what's the hadle? It's smoking jacket? So, oh my god?
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? No? I can't. Couldn't because were
Speaker 1: so cool with her and Allie Hemby and riding with her.
Speaker 1: It was just like the because of course, though that's
Speaker 1: your gang, you hang with the coolest people. No, But
Speaker 1: I mean I only met her last year because she
Speaker 1: was so sweet and she had tweeted about my album.
Speaker 1: I literally I was sitting on the edge of the
Speaker 1: sofa and I nearly fell off because I was so
Speaker 1: when I saw her tweet, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like I it killed me that she even heard my music.
Speaker 1: So um, it was just so nice hanging with her,
Speaker 1: and I got to know on more, you know, just
Speaker 1: a normal human level, and she was in a very
Speaker 1: exciting time in her life where she wanted to break
Speaker 1: down boundaries of creativity and just show the world what
Speaker 1: she's made of. And I got to be part of that,
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud that I got to be part
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, it was great. But no. Um,
Speaker 1: But now, as I was saying, is that I don't
Speaker 1: have expectations. I don't expect awards, I don't expect record deals,
Speaker 1: I don't expect anything like that. I don't ever want
Speaker 1: my head to be there when it goes there. I
Speaker 1: don't like it when I start to think or maybe
Speaker 1: I should be here, or I should be with this label,
Speaker 1: or maybe I just I just want to keep my
Speaker 1: ambition there to motivate me and not expect anything, because
Speaker 1: I think no one should be entitled. I don't like
Speaker 1: that attitude. I think we're all doing it. Everyone works hard.
Speaker 1: There's a place for everyone in this world. And I
Speaker 1: think you just have to be humble, um, be humble
Speaker 1: and do what you do. So, so, how did you
Speaker 1: say that your ambition ambition is very different than expectations.
Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, because it's like I think people
Speaker 1: I see even the way being on tour with John
Speaker 1: and t J. I see the way they operate, and
Speaker 1: they have never I've never seen them go I hope
Speaker 1: we get a Grammy nomination. I hope, I hope that
Speaker 1: this album reaches a million people, or it'd stay a
Speaker 1: little longer, reaches a million sales. I hope we want
Speaker 1: this is They never go want, want, want, want. They
Speaker 1: just go, how can we do this? And how can
Speaker 1: we make this brilliant? That's how I see them operate.
Speaker 1: I've never seen John be annoyed about something they didn't get.
Speaker 1: And they've been out this for years and they certainly
Speaker 1: certainly hasn't been overnight for them. And I've never seen
Speaker 1: them entitled or resentful. All I've seen them do is
Speaker 1: keep working. It's like, how can you not be how
Speaker 1: can you be around that and not adopt that attitude. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me about your tattoo. Tattoo have No Fear. So
Speaker 1: I actually got this in Nashville. I'd come here. I
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand and seven. I first came here,
Speaker 1: and it was a really hard time in my life.
Speaker 1: I'd come out, Yeah, I'd come out of a relationship
Speaker 1: that was long term. I was I didn't know where
Speaker 1: I was in my career. I didn't really know what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do at that point. I was very last.
Speaker 1: My family were dotted around the world, like and I
Speaker 1: was really I was trying to find some reason to
Speaker 1: motivate myself, like I and and I wrote the song
Speaker 1: called Love with No Fear, and me and Cree Harrison
Speaker 1: had sang it together, and and I said, I really
Speaker 1: want to get that as a tattoo because it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of loving yourself and other people with absolutely no
Speaker 1: fear of the outcome, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think when I look at that, I remember someone
Speaker 1: telling me, like, that's like a no smoking sign. Now
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be Now you're just gonna want to smoke,
Speaker 1: You'll be afraid. I think a little bit of fear
Speaker 1: is a good thing. I think to be scared um
Speaker 1: actually can challenge you and it makes you actually do
Speaker 1: more than you were going to do it pushed past
Speaker 1: but pushed past it. Yeah, I was going to get
Speaker 1: be afraid on the other arm, just to confuse people.
Speaker 1: But no, But I love have no fear because it's
Speaker 1: not really about not ever being scared. It's about just
Speaker 1: be scared, but do it anyway, like jump off the
Speaker 1: edge of the cliff. And just because we've got one
Speaker 1: life here we we we don't get to do it again,
Speaker 1: and we have to just put everything and not worry
Speaker 1: about judgments. You know. I I've always I grew up
Speaker 1: kind of my My family were very reserved, so I think,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes from my mom. My mom would be
Speaker 1: very like, we mustn't say this and we mustn't do this,
Speaker 1: and that was the way she was brought up, and
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to do the opposite. I wanted
Speaker 1: to I can't go through my life, you know, just
Speaker 1: pleasing everybody. I can't be like that. I can't really
Speaker 1: live if I'm doing that. I love that. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up with leave your Light. I
Speaker 1: like to ask everyone to leave your light. So give
Speaker 1: me some inspiration of how you have been inspired or
Speaker 1: how you would like to inspire others. How I've been inspired.
Speaker 1: I've been inspired by family, Like you know, I know
Speaker 1: that sounds kind of typical, but the way that I
Speaker 1: see people be so loyal to each other, and I
Speaker 1: think it's much more important than music or what we
Speaker 1: do in our careers. I think what inspires me is
Speaker 1: people being honest and genuine and that makes everything else.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not just saying that I'm not happy unless
Speaker 1: I have that, you know what I mean, I'm not happy.
Speaker 1: I'm happy, probably for the first time in my life,
Speaker 1: to be with a person that is honorable and does
Speaker 1: things truthfully. Doesn't mean it's perfect. It means that done
Speaker 1: with the most truthful of intentions, and that inspires me
Speaker 1: as a person. I think I can be a better singer,
Speaker 1: a better player, a better artist if I come from
Speaker 1: that perspective. And I think I'd like to inspire people
Speaker 1: in the same way too. I want to inspire them
Speaker 1: to to to I don't know, just love people and
Speaker 1: accept people and accept themselves like I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 1: It's not as if I find it easy, but I
Speaker 1: want if if people are inspired by everything to do,
Speaker 1: it's just to to tell the truth and and look
Speaker 1: past yourself. Sometimes. I think if you're a person that
Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to support others and look at
Speaker 1: and and and and lift each other up, then you
Speaker 1: need to look at yourself. Because I think no one
Speaker 1: should be on a pedestal or beneath anybody. They should
Speaker 1: be equals. And I think that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: would like to know, inspire people to be if if anything,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would do that, but that's
Speaker 1: what I just an example what you do. I think
Speaker 1: that's what everyone has to do. They have to lead
Speaker 1: by example because can't tell I'm way too opinionated sometimes
Speaker 1: and I think you can't really tell people what to do.
Speaker 1: You can only, like you say, lead by example and
Speaker 1: try to do the best you can, even if it
Speaker 1: doesn't even if it doesn't have the outcome you want.
Speaker 1: I think, don't change your don't change the way that
Speaker 1: you do things. I think it's you've got to be authentic.
Speaker 1: I love that, sweet Lucy Silvis. It's just nice hanging
Speaker 1: with you. I love hanging with you, and we're neighbors.
Speaker 1: I know where it's that that's where the good thing is.
Speaker 1: It's a trendy and cool place, like we've got friends everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's you know, it could be a
Speaker 1: bit sketchy here and there, but just a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just come out of red door. But but no,
Speaker 1: it's great. I love this neighborhood. I can't believe you're
Speaker 1: so nearby. You're right there, right literally right near you. Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to hack do this more often. I don't.
Speaker 1: I know, we can just do it for real life, Okay, Lucy,
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear your new music and see who
Speaker 1: you're touring with. I can't wait. I can't tell you now,
Speaker 1: I will, I will. We're gonna announce it in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Yes, you're the best. Thank you, wasn't
Speaker 1: Lucy Silva's amazing. She is such a dreamboat. I love her.
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep your eyes open because she's having
Speaker 1: new music coming soon next week. Maggie Rose joins me.
Speaker 1: She has such an incredible voice. She has also been
Speaker 1: one of CMTS Next One of Country. She's also on
Speaker 1: a CMT seventeen to Watch for seventeen and she's on
Speaker 1: the CMT tour Next Women with Martina Bride and Lauren
Speaker 1: Elena and also Postman Ron is joining her, which I
Speaker 1: interviewed Postman Row and they're amazing. Can you believe all
Speaker 1: the things she's doing. She also got announced that she's
Speaker 1: playing a couple of shows with Tim and Faith on
Speaker 1: their Sould Soul Tour. What she is killing it so
Speaker 1: you guys get excited. Have Maggie Rose joined me next
Speaker 1: week