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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and

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Speaker 1: Buck with you.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: We are a week from today. I'm getting off playing

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Speaker 1: heading out to Indy. It is here, man, it's hard

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Speaker 1: Bowls in the rearview mirror, and all the teams that

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Speaker 1: sucked are all of a sudden optimistic. They're going to

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Speaker 1: the draft, and they're going to have a turnaround like

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots had this last year.

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Speaker 3: Well, DJ, I think them Wouldenever, people are optimistic that

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Speaker 3: those one year turnarounds can happen. You think about the Jaguars,

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Speaker 2: It done right away.

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Speaker 3: If you hit free agency, the draft, build a culture right,

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Speaker 3: there's no reason why your team that was out can't

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Speaker 1: I love the offseason and it's kind of I think

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Speaker 1: just because of our background as scouts, like this season ends.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many I still get it all

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Speaker 2: As well. It's like, hey, hey, so.

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Speaker 1: That must be nice. Everything kind of slowed down for

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Speaker 1: I am excited. I don't know if I had posted

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Speaker 1: I woke up and came out and my desk was gone, buck,

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Speaker 1: I've got I'm sitting down right now, but I went

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Speaker 2: Oh man, man, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Next next you're gonna stand up. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: You can get myself here, you get the steps in

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Speaker 3: while you're watching take take McAfee's onto something.

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Speaker 1: McAfee is like the only guy I can think of

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Speaker 2: Well much better.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so much better walking to you in terms

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Speaker 2: So yeah, like I think that is great.

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Speaker 3: You get the legendary stories of how Bill Belichick used

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Speaker 1: I've seen him do it like at all Star Games

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Speaker 1: brought to you by what Sabby Hot Cloud Storage, and

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Speaker 1: the hot news right now is Tyreek Hill. The afore

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, I think the best time to do these

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Speaker 1: You're going to get a little grace in terms of

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Speaker 1: this is not your roster yet, So whatever happens in

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Speaker 3: the defense, the entire staff changing on offense and defense.

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00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,080
Speaker 3: I think it changes who they go for the entire time.

437
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,879
Speaker 3: I've talked about Arvia reesping to pick here, and I

438
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,800
Speaker 3: don't think you can take a project right there at

439
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Speaker 3: number two. I'm gonna give the Jets David Bailey from

440
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,359
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. I'm gonna give them a pass rusher. I'm

441
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,280
Speaker 3: gonna give them a pass rusher because I just think

442
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,879
Speaker 3: about what Aaron Glenn had in Detroit and they're not

443
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Speaker 3: the same player, but Adan Hutchison was the cornerstone of

444
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:42,880
Speaker 3: their rebuilding effort. They got no turnovers, no interceptions last year,

445
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600
Speaker 3: and we know the best way to impact the quarterback

446
00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,560
Speaker 3: is with a pass rush.

447
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,520
Speaker 2: Tips and overthrows. That comes from David Bailey being able

448
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,920
Speaker 2: to pression the passer. Welcome to Gotham. David Bailey is

449
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Speaker 2: a jet. Well.

450
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Speaker 1: I don't want to rule my mock draft tomorrow, but

451
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Speaker 1: go ahead.

452
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Speaker 2: I think this is interesting.

453
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Speaker 1: Yes, if you like, you know, if you like David Bailey,

454
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,320
Speaker 1: you'll like my mock draft because I went through the

455
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Speaker 1: same exercise right and I'm you know, I got to

456
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Speaker 1: do my top fifties. I'll put that together on Friday

457
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,719
Speaker 1: after this call. So again we talked about guys kind

458
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: of riding together, but I just keep going back and

459
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,120
Speaker 1: I finished up all the offensive tackles and I tweeted

460
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 1: it out buck. I said, Man, I think one of

461
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: the things all these offensive tackles have in common is

462
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 1: they got absolutely smashed by Bailey's I saw that going

463
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: through that tape. He cooked a lot of dudes, man.

464
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: And it is to me he's got the elite, elite

465
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 1: get off like it is elite and where I think

466
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: there's still development in terms of the power. He knows

467
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: how to rush, he knows, he's got a feel fort,

468
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,840
Speaker 1: he's good with his hands, he can he's got a spin,

469
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: he can beat you inside with a counter so it's

470
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: not just a speed. But to me, we used to

471
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: always be somewhat skeptical about Burns, about Brian Burns because

472
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't a power guy with it is so crazy

473
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Speaker 1: you brought that up. I literally just wrote in my

474
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Speaker 1: notebook yesterday when I did a.

475
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Speaker 2: Rewatch, Yeah, to comparisons.

476
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 3: To comparison that I did not use yet because it

477
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 3: was hard for me with Brian Burns.

478
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: To me, that's who just player reminds me.

479
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see, Look, I saw Da Feoway when

480
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 1: he came over, you know, to the Chargers, had seven

481
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 1: sacks you know, after he got there, and also had

482
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 1: three in the in the playoff game and two forced

483
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: fumbles against the Patriots. So that's the style like now,

484
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: like a rugged point of attack.

485
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: Now.

486
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: I think Reese's Reese when he's out there is a

487
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: lot more heavy handed, and Reese has he has it

488
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: all there. I mean he can rush with power, he

489
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have the production to play there as much. There's

490
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 1: a rawness to him. He doesn't have the same natural

491
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 1: feel as a rusher. So I just think with the Jets,

492
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 1: you get a fastball that you knowpe that plays day

493
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Speaker 1: one and your turnover issue. I think he helped solve

494
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: that because of the pressure he's going to be able

495
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: to generate. I just again, I think it's a little

496
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: less guesswork, and for a team that's in bad straits

497
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: and dire straits, I don't I think you're probably trying

498
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: to remove guesswork. So I'm with you on that. I

499
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 1: sense I can definitely get on board with seeing that

500
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: with the second overall pick.

501
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that is more likely to happen

502
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 3: now and everything has kind of been settled. Aaron Glenn

503
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: has to put more on his plate as the play caller.

504
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: He's just trying to recreate what he had in Detroit

505
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: and so doubling down on another passers even though they

506
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 3: have plenty of passers.

507
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have enough in this league. Yeah.

508
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: I get to Arizona and again, I'm this is going

509
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: to kind of look very similar to my actual mock

510
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Speaker 1: draft that comes out tomorrow, because this is the same

511
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Speaker 1: exercise I went through because I had these same two

512
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: top picks.

513
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: Eventually, hopefully we deviate.

514
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: But when I looked at Arizona Buck and I looked

515
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: at Okay, you know, we could go get an edge rusher.

516
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: That would be nice. Clean that up a little bit.

517
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: This offense was not good. Yeah, thirty first and rushing

518
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: yards per game twenty eighth and sacks allowed thirtieth and

519
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: QB pressures defensively twenty ninth, in points per game twenty

520
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: eighth and sacks like it's got They need help all

521
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: over the place. We don't know what's going to go

522
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: on with Kyler Murray. I just think to me, we

523
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: always talk about it's hard to be a bad team

524
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: with a good offensive line. Yeah, I went in that direction,

525
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: and Mali Noah out of Miami can plug right in

526
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: at right tackle. You know, both the top tackles to

527
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: me and this draft, you know played right tackle on college.

528
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: So to me, it's an easy pick there. Paris Johnson,

529
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: you got to keep him going on the left side.

530
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: But now you've got a chance to have you know,

531
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Speaker 1: two athletic guys who will give you a nice bookends there.

532
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: And I'm taking into account. This is Nick Bosa and

533
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers. This is the Jared

534
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: Vers and all that group with the Rams and the

535
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: team we just saw Hoyst Lombardi Trophy with their waves

536
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 1: of dudes like it's a wrong division to have a

537
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: bad offensive line.

538
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that division certainly is one

539
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: where you can be tested on the edges and you

540
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: talk about a player who athletically you can.

541
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Speaker 2: Get it done.

542
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest, DJ like this draft and

543
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: why I love this offensive tackle class.

544
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: You have your pick. I mean, there's some natural right

545
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: tackles and we used to devalue right tackles, but I

546
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: think the way people that changed their defense, you got

547
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: to have a guy that can not only be a

548
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: mall abrawl at the point of attack, but has defeat

549
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: to shadow box on the edge.

550
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: And so look he can do that, it's going to

551
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 3: help them regards about their quarterback situation.

552
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: They have to fix the edges of their offensive line. Yeah,

553
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: that's why I went in that direction. Right, you're up

554
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: with Tennessee. But okay, so now.

555
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: I believe success leaves clues, and I think about Robert

556
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: Solad taking over and the player that we talked about

557
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: being a project at two is a better fit for

558
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans. That's RVL Reese And the reason why

559
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: I think this can be true, think about who the

560
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: simpsus w Manage took last year Mikyle Williams on the edge,

561
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: a little rugged, a little bit of a project, but

562
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 3: they found a way to have success in Reese and

563
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: talking to people around their program, like, look, I believe

564
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: he's going to have to sit in one position early

565
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: and then grow into being that Michael Parson's presence that

566
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 3: they may want. I think it's very easy for you

567
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: to pick a he's gonna be an edge player, where

568
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: he's going to be an inside linebacker. I would put

569
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: him on the edge. He's fast, he's physical, he's feisty,

570
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: and that we have seen he has touched a lot

571
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: of good pass rushers throughout his time and they all

572
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: have kind of turned to go. I'm gonna go with

573
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 3: Rvill Reese being a guy that the Tennessee Titans can

574
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: build around.

575
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one. I ended up. I ended

576
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: up in my latest mock draft. I ended up having

577
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: this conversation with myself about the same thing, the same

578
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: thing I had at too Or. I went with a

579
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: little more production with Bailey over Reese, and again, I

580
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: love Reese. But then I got to four and I thought, Okay,

581
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: if you're trying to if you're the Tennessee Titans and

582
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: you're Robert Salah and you're trying to establish an identity.

583
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think.

584
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: Reese gives you that fastball, but if you could make

585
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: an argument even though he's not the perfect prospect in

586
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: terms of the length, but when you have Jeffrey Simmons

587
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: and you potentially had Ruben Bain end up next one,

588
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden look up and you're like,

589
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bully. This is a little bit

590
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: of a bully.

591
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: Well, because one thing that you get with Bain you

592
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: can have a question the effort. He is an all

593
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: ay sucker when it being able to do it. And

594
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: you made like this, My comparison for Ruben Vane was

595
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: Dante Fowler in terms of like just kind of a

596
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: rugged player play at the point of attack. And yeah,

597
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: Tennessee's gonna have some options. People going to talk about

598
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: the wide receiver, but I think there's so many wide

599
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: receivers one they'll get one if they don't get in

600
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: free agency, there's so many you can get in the

601
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: second and third round. To me, you don't pass up

602
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: someone that can help you on the defensive front. If

603
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: you're Tennessee. No, I like that, all right.

604
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: I want to get my next pick here, and I

605
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: want to ask you how you how you envision this

606
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: because this is a conversation that's taking place in the room,

607
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: all right.

608
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: So I'm the Giants. I want to help my.

609
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: Quarterback, Jackson Darty took him last year, played well. Malice

610
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Neighbors goes down, you know, hopefully he comes back and

611
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how that rehab looks. But you

612
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: get him back, you get Scataboo back. They've you know,

613
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: they've got some decent pieces along the offensive line. They

614
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: could continue to add there. But I want to help

615
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: them out with a wide out. So I have for

616
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: me the top white out is Lemon. I am out

617
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: of USC and he's so physical and tough work in

618
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: the middle of the field day one slot. Like I

619
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: think he can't play outside, but I think he's just

620
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: going to catch a hundred balls in a slot every

621
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: year and it's just a ball winner. I love him.

622
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: But if I'm looking for a compliment to Malik Neighbors,

623
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I ended up going with Carneal Tate. Just get a

624
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: bigger side, bigger body, put him on the outside. We

625
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: can get him vertical and the Neighbors can use his

626
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: quickness and tear people apart underneath. I just thought I

627
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: thought Neighbors, But he's a more explosive Lemon. I think

628
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: there's a little more similarity there. I think there's more

629
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: of a difference a separation, and go back to our

630
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: building a basketball team. I think Tate gives him a

631
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: different style of receiver there. So I want I'm gonna

632
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: go Tate to five.

633
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: So here's why I light the Carneal Tate pick at

634
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: this situation.

635
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: And the one thing that I believe all decision makers

636
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: are going to have to have the conversation I have

637
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: with Tate. He's a guy who played a number two

638
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: role at Ohio State. Make no mistake, Jeremy Smith is

639
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: the number one. Well, now, what we're doing is to

640
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: do what we've seen him do at Ohio State. It's

641
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: not as much a projection saying hey, you can go

642
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: from being a number two in college to be in

643
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: a number one in the pros. To me, we're sending

644
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 3: him up for success because we're asking him to be

645
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: the guy that is Robin to the batman that.

646
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: Elaeue Neighbors is always going to be for the New

647
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: York Giants.

648
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think all of a sudden, you look

649
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: up and John Harbud's got a fun watchable team here

650
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: as they you know, they've got a defensive line that's

651
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: a pretty good shape, and you get a corner. There's

652
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: some other things you need. There's obviously other pieces you're

653
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: not picking up here without other needs. But I think

654
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, I think this first pick. I

655
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: would love for this first pick to be able to

656
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: help out Jackson Dart. I think that would get that accomplished.

657
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: All right.

658
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 3: So then we're the Cleveland Browns. We have Todd Monken

659
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: coming over. We got to deal with this offense. We

660
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: got to deal with this AFC North that is in transition.

661
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: But you can't do anything if you don't have an

662
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: offensive line. And so you took him out. We go

663
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 3: with the third pick with the Arizon the Cardinals. I'm

664
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: gonna take Spenser for No with the Citys for the

665
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns. And I know everyone has been like, hey,

666
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: we got to get a playmak and all that, but

667
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: there's no need of having a playmaker if the quarterback

668
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: isn't protected. And so we got to make sure they

669
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: would get some protection. We have to be able to

670
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: run the football because in spite of all the things

671
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: that people talk about top unket, he wants to run

672
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: the ball. He wants to be balanced enough to be

673
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: able to get it done. So give me a big

674
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: body up front. I think that's the only way that

675
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: the Browns can go.

676
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I had him taking in this latest mock

677
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: draft as well. Actually had them double up on tackles

678
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: and I won't tell you who it was, but I'm

679
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: taking another tackle as well. They got all five starters

680
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: are free agents. They to replace a whole offensive line.

681
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Now.

682
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones is big talent of tackle, and who's you

683
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: know hasn't been able to stay healthy. If somehow he's

684
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: out there and you believe in him, I mean, shoot,

685
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: you could always kick one of the two tackles they

686
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: were to take in my mock draft into guard for

687
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: a year or two if you need it to. But

688
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: to me, I think the offensive line has to be

689
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: where they go. I'd be nervous about them just hoping

690
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: that both those top two tackles are you know, one

691
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: of them falls to you. It's a nightmare scenario for

692
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: them if they don't get one of the top two

693
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: tackles with where.

694
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: They're absolutely how I look at I mean, that's a problem,

695
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: all right.

696
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I get to Washington here, Washington coming up at pick

697
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: number seven, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Baine.

698
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: This is a team just you got to have some

699
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: pass rush here. Last year, defensively this team was thirty

700
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: second and the total yards per game allowed. How many

701
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL buck are there thirty first? And

702
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: turnovers and red zone defense, yeah, pretty bad. So there's

703
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: lots of places you can go here. But I just

704
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: think Baine he kind of fits. He fits what dan

705
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Quinn players who I compared them to.

706
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: I compared him with Dante Foule.

707
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: Where is dan Quinn got the most success at twice

708
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: twice and so I think it is a great fit

709
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: for them to command. Just do need to get better

710
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: at the point of attack. There would be some conversation

711
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: about them eventually having to get a wide receiver. Deebo

712
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: Samuel is a free agent. You have Terry mclauren, you

713
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: have some other people. Are they going to get another

714
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: playmaker for Daniels? But defensively, man, they have no chance

715
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: that they can't stop people, no doubt. All right, you

716
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: are up with New Orleans. This is an interesting one.

717
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: It's not interesting demands if you're about the fun and

718
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm about the fun.

719
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: If we're going to say to Tyler Shutt is our quarterback,

720
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: then we need to make sure we give him everything

721
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: that we can to support him. And I think Jeremiah

722
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: Love will be the perfect fit in this situation. I

723
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: know we have Alvin Kamara in the building. What better

724
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: way to show the young guy how to be a

725
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: probe than to have him watch Alvin Kamara for a

726
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: little bit before he takes over. And Jeremiah Love. You

727
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: get the total package, speed, burst, explosiveness. He can catch

728
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: the ball out of the backfield, he can play in

729
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: the dot, he can play sidecar in the shotgun. There's

730
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: not much that he can't do. And then you look

731
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: at the production over time, he just gives you everything.

732
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: Back to back thousand yard seasons, has seventy career catch it.

733
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean like, there's just a lot to love about

734
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 3: this playmaker from Notre Dame. Yeah, no, he's he's an

735
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: outstanding player.

736
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I was watching I can't remember the team it was,

737
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: but I was going through watching somebody else on the

738
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, and I saw his one handed

739
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: catch out of the back of the game and I

740
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: was like, WHOA.

741
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: And I know people talk about running back into touching,

742
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: but Jehan Rominson was taking there. The last handful of

743
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: guys that were selected with the touching him all being

744
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: exactly what we thought they would be, and I think.

745
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: His talent is worthy of being a top ching selection.

746
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take one more quick break. We'll

747
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: come back with the rest of the mock draft. All right,

748
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm up with the Kansas City Chiefs, and this is

749
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: a spot where you've got some free agency issues in

750
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: the secondary they could look to address. You took the

751
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: running back so that there's only one running back that's

752
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: in consideration here. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm

753
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna take Mikyle Lemon. He's just too good of a

754
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: football player and someone who if you think of as

755
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Kelsey ages out, I will see if he comes back

756
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: or not. Every route that Kelsey runs, Mkay Lemon can

757
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: run those same routes just in the slot, you know,

758
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: when you flex out the tight end. They already have

759
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: a whole system where and he's so instinctive and he

760
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: can work in traffic like Mahomes is gonna trust him.

761
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna get open. He's gonna catch everything

762
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: that comes his way. He also gives you the added

763
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: bonus of just the physicality and toughness, you know after

764
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: the catch. To me, he's like and it's the same school. Ironically,

765
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: now they got the best out of Juju for a

766
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: little bit there, like this is such a this is

767
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: a much better version of that that type of player.

768
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: They have to get that part right. Man.

769
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: They've been swinging and missing it wide receivers for a

770
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: long time in terms of just they haven't been able

771
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: to get that production. Now more than ever, it is

772
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: on them to find a way to do it because

773
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: I don't we don't know if Pat Mahomes is gonna

774
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: be able to make the magical plays outside of the

775
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: pocket this year, coming back off the Aco. He's still

776
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: gonna be a really really good player, but I don't

777
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: know if he's gonna be able to do what he's

778
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: done to uncover those White House Now the premium has

779
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: to be on those guys able to win on their own.

780
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Makayle Limon is someone that can win and as you

781
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: talked about earlier, slot outside, he can do it. He

782
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: also brings some juice. So I'm a big fan. You're

783
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: up sating that out of here. Well, here's what I

784
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: know about the Cincinnati Bengals, and this has been true

785
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: for as long as Mike Brown has been the owner

786
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: of the team. They are not going to allow a

787
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: good big ten player to go, and there's certainly not

788
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: going to allow a buck guy to leave right from

789
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: up under their noses. Caleb Downs is the pick for

790
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals. And I'm gonna say this.

791
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Their defense has never recovered from the loss of Jesse Bates.

792
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 3: When they let Jesse Bates leave as a free agent,

793
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: they lost not only the traffic cop in the middle,

794
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: the playmaker. When I look at Caleb Downs, he is

795
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: all those things. High IQ player, has some versatility, instincts, awareness,

796
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: really good tackler. But the thing that they need, they

797
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: need those leadership qualities at that position as well. To me,

798
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: it is the right pick for them because he fits

799
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: the void that they've had his base departed.

800
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ended up doing the same thing, and the

801
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: one that I just did, I looked at it for

802
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: a long time though, because same school styles, and I thought, okay,

803
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: styles at the linebacker position gives you some more. There's

804
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: a rare quality to him just in terms of the size,

805
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: that length, the speed impacting the game. I'm like, Okay,

806
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: who impacts the game more between these two? And then

807
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I just thought, Okay, well, I also know Downs in

808
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: terms of the communication, the leadership, the steadiness. This group

809
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati needs a calming effect, and I think he

810
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: provides that. And I think there's a case. You know,

811
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that the stat sheet shows all of

812
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: his ability. I don't know the testing is going to

813
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: show all of his value. He's a little bit of

814
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: a tricky one for me, to be honest with you,

815
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Downs is in terms of the evaluation, because I hear

816
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: him talked about like he's this all time, You've done great.

817
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: I don't see that on the tape. But I see

818
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: a very dependable, reliable, steady, solid player who when you

819
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: talk to people around there just talk about. You know,

820
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: some of his value doesn't necessarily always show up unless

821
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: you know what he's doing in terms of the communicating,

822
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: the leading, the organizing, getting that whole group together.

823
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: You know.

824
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: The one thing in my note I wrote down not

825
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: the same size, but he reminds me a lot of

826
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: Buddha Baker and I just in terms of like having

827
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: known people that coach Buddha. They talked about him being

828
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: an IQ guy, guy that could sit at the table,

829
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: guy could do a bunch of different things. To me,

830
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: when I hear people talk about now is and then

831
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: I watch him on tape, I could see him being

832
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: a player like Buddha Baker that does a lot and

833
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: some of it is flashy, something is not. But I

834
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: feel like he's going to be a glue guy. And

835
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: then back in and they're desperate to be able to

836
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: have someone that can hold it together.

837
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Now, well, there you go. Man, we just knocked out

838
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: a little top ten back and forth mock draft. It

839
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: is interesting, man. I try to get some new names

840
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: when we get to the back half of this, just

841
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: to throw some other names and ideas in there.

842
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: But name, give me a name, Give me a new name.

843
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I I'm coming off of the Senior Bowl.

844
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I put Malachi Fields in there. Okay, late in the

845
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: first round to a team that could be looking for

846
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: a little size at the wide receiver position that was

847
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: that was one you know I had. I can't remember

848
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: if I had concepts in there or not, but so yeah,

849
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: such such juice and the returnability, and there's a team

850
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: that may or may not played in the Super Bowl

851
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: that could potentially lose the receiver with some speed and ability,

852
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: maybe looking to just kind of recapture that.

853
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: And one how about that that is a good one.

854
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: So I like case conception. I'm interesting to hear because

855
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: I know you have a what we call a draft crush, honey,

856
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: Manual mc neil Warren. I'm excited to sd him.

857
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: The way up there. Yeah. I looked at me last time.

858
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, you're crazy, because I think I had him

859
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: going eighteen or somewhere around there.

860
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: I moved him up.

861
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: I think this and talking to some people around the league,

862
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just I've been a bit fan since I

863
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: watched this guy. And who knows safeties are weird? Emon

864
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: Warre went in the second round. You know, we saw

865
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Phillips. I think they won a little, went a little,

866
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: Mton Hamilton, sorry, cal Hamilton went a little later. Derwin

867
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: went later. But if you look at the teams playing

868
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: with those big Nickels, those three teams, those three players

869
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: Emon Warry, Derwin James and Hamilton. If you're looking for

870
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: that type of player in that profile, that's him DJ.

871
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: So I studied him again over the course of the

872
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: weekend after we had a conversation off air. I love

873
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: about the safeties, and so I went back and looked

874
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: at him again and I wrote down like man, super

875
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 3: long and Rangy like super size. He has not found

876
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: a hit that he doesn't like when it comes to

877
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: being able to lay people out. But he's unique in

878
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: terms of being able to be a big hitter with

879
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 3: also having bassis.

880
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: You don't have that.

881
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: And the thing that you talk about the big safeties

882
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: and how that's a big part of what people are doing,

883
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: and how I heard Leslie Frazier talk about, like, hey,

884
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: everyone is going into positionless.

885
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: Ball, then you got to have guys that can do both.

886
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: The best thing that is going to help Emmanuel McNeil

887
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: Warren is going to be what Nicky Mannu Worry did

888
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: when he had opportunity to get on the field for

889
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. When people look at the versatility and the production,

890
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: you know it's a copycat lead. Everyone is going to

891
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: want to have someone that can give you that ability

892
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: to jump into your dime package, your nickel package with

893
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: another safety and win.

894
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other one. I'll give you another clue here,

895
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: another hint. I had another safety and I think I

896
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: had him going in the last one as well, which

897
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in any of these other mock drafts.

898
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: But Fianem and the safety from Oregon. When you live

899
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: back and watch his stuff against that's my crazier guy

900
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: that's got going in the top twenty. I think he

901
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: was going to run fast. I don't think when you

902
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: go back, which I had a team, tell me go

903
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: back and watch. I think it was twenty three perdue.

904
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: We had like six picks, and he is you like

905
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: to say.

906
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes as you like to say.

907
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: He's like the little the star on time of the

908
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: Christmas tree, a little angel on top of the rist mistree,

909
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: dead middle of the field, making plays outside the numbers

910
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: on the sideline. And now we see him at Oregon.

911
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: He can play in the nickel, he can cover and

912
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: do all that stuff. Like DJ, there is going to

913
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: be value for him.

914
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: I am on the first thing I wrote MLB centerfielder

915
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: his ranging ball skills and I went back to Purdue.

916
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: That's where it came from.

917
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: Great nose for the ball, anticipation of wearing his ball skills.

918
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: Tackler can blitz. And I know safety.

919
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: Used to be a position that was devalue, but I

920
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: think we are seeing the value increase because the guys

921
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 3: that can do a little bit of everything, the Swiss

922
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: Army knives, they're coveted.

923
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: Man, it's my guy. You found him.

924
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: No, he's I'm in on him, Buck Harrison Smith retired

925
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: right anyway, We'll see, We'll see what happens with him.

926
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: There's no rules that say you have to replace a

927
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: white safety with the white safety.

928
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: Was not an NFL rule, not at all. Great fit high,

929
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: I Q. Great player up there in the Big ten.

930
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: They saw him a lot. Yeah, yeah, no question. That

931
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: sounds a weird organ up there in the Big ten.

932
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I still got to that.

933
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: I was thinking more. But yeah, Oregon, by the way,

934
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

935
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish up here in the next couple of

936
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: days and be done, you know, kind of the first

937
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: layer of all these COMBA guys have them done. But man,

938
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: I got a lot of guys that are gonna travel

939
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: together a lot of buckets. I'm excited to really sort

940
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: out as we get beyond the combine, get you know,

941
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: all that latest information and and sort these guys out.

942
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: But man, can have you noticed as I have.

943
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: Like I feel like this.

944
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I love the fact we get so much good on

945
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: good like these expanded playoffs. Yeah, like like Mezzador for example,

946
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I can't join hell on wheels in the playoffs. I

947
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: could see him week after week after week against good players.

948
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: Well look, not only Medor, but let's talk about the

949
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: conversation that people were having about bag before the playoffs.

950
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: And then you see three dominant games and you're like, oh,

951
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: well maybe yeah, the arm length and those things. Yeah,

952
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: better games, good on good competition, better for the evaluation

953
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 3: of the play Can.

954
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: You participate those? Yeah?

955
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. And I know there's a proposal

956
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: out there. I guess going to twenty four teams. I

957
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: actually I actually like a lot. But when I looked

958
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: at it, I'm like, oh, you get rid of the

959
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: championship games.

960
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: I kind of like it, like all of that. And

961
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: I would say this DJ like big school, little school.

962
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: I would say power forwards, group of five, like split

963
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: them off. They see because the Bowl games. If you

964
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: do it with the twenty four, the Bowl games are

965
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: null and boys. So you might as well just have

966
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: two playoffs running concurrently. So we can have the Group

967
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: of Five Champ, the Power Forward Champ, and then we

968
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: can celebrate we're just Southern California. A.

969
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: It's nothing wrong with being a three A champ and

970
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: a two way.

971
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: Champ and one like the rings are all the same. Yeah, man,

972
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: no question. Well, I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed watching a

973
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: lot of the good on good that you get a

974
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: chance to see. And I've enjoyed watching guys.

975
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 4: I was talking to a SEC coach the other day

976
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: U and he brought up a great point where talking

977
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: about transfers, and there was a player of his that

978
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: I really liked and I had heard any buzz on him,

979
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: and he's like, wow, he's been he's transferred, you know,

980
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 4: several times.

981
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: So some of these guys get a little bit lost

982
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: through that process. And this is like a you know,

983
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: more of a day three picks by the player that

984
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I liked. And he said, uh, so, you know, we

985
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: try and group these transfers into a couple of different buckets.

986
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Like there's guys who are looking for money, like just

987
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: want to make some more money. There's guys who are

988
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: looking for playing time, haven't been getting the playing time

989
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: they want to looking for playing time. And there's guys

990
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: who are looking to challenge themselves. And he said, we

991
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: have found that the guys that have hit with us

992
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: are the guys who keep going, who maybe started a

993
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: lower level and then got to maybe the Mountain West

994
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: or maybe then they're at a lower level, you know,

995
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: power forward team, and then and you know whatever, they're

996
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: climbing the ladder of competition. And he said, they've found

997
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: success with those guys. And this was the profile this

998
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: particular player I found that was interesting, kind of breaking

999
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: it up that way.

1000
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: Well, so it was no different we were baseball fans.

1001
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: It was no different than earning a way of from

1002
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 3: rookie ball the A to double A to triple A

1003
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: to then you make it like you're looking at how

1004
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: they perform at each level, and if you dominate at

1005
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: the lower levels coming up men, you feel really good

1006
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: about that player in a competitive environment, and you like

1007
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: the fact that he brings the chip on his shoulder

1008
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: because he is going to be like I should have

1009
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: been here the entire time.

1010
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, So let's go play. Yeah, no doubt.

1011
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: All right, well this has been a fun one. We

1012
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys hanging with us. We will see you

1013
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: next time right here on with the sticks.