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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags, Dave. There

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Speaker 2: I want to hear about the Thames and ross sewage.

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Speaker 2: But today we're actually dealing with a murder mystery. A

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Speaker 2: a bad breakup. Not kidding the victims, fourteen year old

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Speaker 2: They were poisoned with a colorless, tasteless, odorless poison called Thallium,

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Speaker 1: One of the most fascinating things that I absolutely adore

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing that the headline of the story is

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Speaker 2: She did poison another human being, actually two human beings,

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know what kind of evil you are

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Speaker 1: my Lord in Heaven, that's that's horrible stuff, man.

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Speaker 2: Well, the saddest reality here is that this, actually, Joe,

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Speaker 3: Whatever you are when you're that age. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean precisely. And you try to take the

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Speaker 3: It's very very dark.

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Speaker 3: You have something else that hit me? It just did

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Speaker 3: I apologize for not? Okay?

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Speaker 2: You know, we've been dealing with the Teppe murders up

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Speaker 2: by Monique's ex husband. Now, Spencer and Monique had been

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Speaker 2: got remarried, So they've been apart for eight years, right, Yeah, Joe.

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Speaker 2: They've been broken up nearly as long as they dated.

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Speaker 2: When they broke up. This little girl that died was nine,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way. It's pure evil, and it's ghoulish

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Speaker 2: I know because of the way we have been talking

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Speaker 3: That's what killed I mean?

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Speaker 2: Because if you get poisoned by something like that, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well, some of the symptoms they're going to show. It's

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Speaker 2: You know something else that came out of this, okay

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Speaker 3: He was married at the time.

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Speaker 2: They were in their relationship and he broke off the

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Speaker 2: that she was poisoned with thallium twice before she died

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, it's so deep here that.

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Speaker 1: I really wonder. I wonder if they're going to go

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Speaker 2: But then there's another girl who also was poisonous, said

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Speaker 2: I was thinking life changing injuries. Okay, I know poisons

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Speaker 1: what doctors do to a certain extent, but certainly nurses

430
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: they are investigators. That's what they have to do because

431
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: they're having to drag information out of people. Sometimes the

432
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: people don't speak very well, some people are not reticent

433
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Speaker 1: to give information because it's so personal and sometimes just symptomology.

434
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Speaker 1: You know, they have to work through a problem because

435
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: it's not all cookie cutter. It's not cookie cutter medicine,

436
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: and particularly when you start to talk about some kind

437
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: of exotic poison like this, and you know, kind of

438
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: work your way through it. I wonder if this alleged

439
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: perpetrator as her plane is lifting off to take her

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00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: somewhere safe. I wonder if she had this in her

441
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. I wonder how much of an awareness

442
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: she had dave that of what she had done, you

443
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: know what kind of It's fascinating because the guy who

444
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: is supposedly identified as a person that's bringing all of

445
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: this trouble into her life, he's not physically impacted by this.

446
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: It's these it's these other folks.

447
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Speaker 3: You know, Joe.

448
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: When we were talking about this before we started, and

449
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: I know nothing about ballium, Okay, it's just something i'd

450
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: heard of before. And now I'm trying to remember where

451
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: I heard it because I'm a little concerned over who

452
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: might have said it and whether or not, you.

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Know, naturally occurring.

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00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm thinking, and naturally I mean to me, I'm thinking,

455
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: there's I'm making notes here.

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Speaker 3: You know.

457
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: It's kind of like people watching Breaking Bad to learn

458
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: how they how to make meth, you know, like that's

459
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: not what we're doing here. It's like but this thallium

460
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: to think about something that is naturally occurring, that is

461
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: the poisoners poison. It really is taking this down a

462
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: much a path I never expected to go. It reminds

463
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Speaker 2: me of the mushroom cap Lady in Australia and the

464
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: other poisonings we've had recently where people have gone down

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Speaker 2: this path and the death through poison is a god

466
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: awful experience.

467
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and each each particular type of poison brings about

468
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: it's on terror, okay, because certain things are going to

469
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Speaker 1: impact you. Even going back to a Jett Lyles, you

470
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: know when she had poisoned her her daughter with the

471
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Speaker 1: andro and andro ant poisoning, and one of her husbands

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00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: she poisons, well, do you know they had to strap

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00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: their arms down to the bed so that they wouldn't

474
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: rake the skin off of their body because it impacted Yeah,

475
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: it impacted their skin so badly. And you never know

476
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: how this stuff's going to manifest. But yeah, the history

477
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: of it is is absolutely, you know, just positively horrific.

478
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: Give some of the things that they we need to

479
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: know about our suspect here too. Joe I was looking

480
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: at when she was on Shark Tank in Columbia, because

481
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: we've got the relationship with the married guy going for

482
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: five years ending in twenty twenty and his wife dying

483
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: within a year. And they think that she was poisoned

484
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: twice with thallium during that time. But it was in

485
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one that Castro ends up on Shark Tank

486
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: in Colombia. She's an entrepreneur, business person. Okay, there's an

487
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: electric car sharing thing in Colombia that she's behind, and

488
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, she's well thought of in the business community.

489
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: Apparently.

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Speaker 2: I assume she was a chef, owned a cafe or something.

491
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: That's what I assume when we started this whole thing.

492
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: And now we find out that, you know, she would

493
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: have been on Shark Tank at the time she was

494
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: poisoning her ex boyfriend's wife.

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Speaker 3: Think about that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how long she's been involved with electric cars.

497
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Speaker 3: Thallium.

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Speaker 1: Thallium. I'm wondering. I really, you know now that you

499
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Speaker 1: say that, you know, I know that lithium batteries are used,

500
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, in those things. I'm assuming, but I really,

501
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: I really wonder, because you know, thallium is used first

502
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: off in medicine relative to nuclear medicine, and then it's

503
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: used also in optics like lenses and things like that,

504
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: but it's also used in electronics. Now that's a fascinating

505
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: sourcing possibility. I'm wondering, you know, if she's that involved

506
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: in it. I mean, man, she went on chart tank. Okay,

507
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: not that that's the measure for everything, but I'm just saying,

508
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder, I wonder if she is only

509
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: on the front end of this relative to you know,

510
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: like we're going to provide these cars so that people

511
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: can travel on more more interested in how it works,

512
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: the system works, or does it go back to a

513
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: manufacturing phase where she's around people where she could access

514
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: and stuff.

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: Well, we do know that she was or is smart

516
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: enough to be able to get away from her nation,

517
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: to get away from enter Pol. She's able to get

518
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: away from everybody except the Thames. And I'm gonna be

519
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: honest with you. If you spell something th A M

520
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: E S and you call it Jim, there's something wrong

521
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: with you. You know that's not the right way is you

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00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: don't spell tams that way. The themes one time and

523
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: I went, I know you're wrong, but I don't want

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00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: to correct you.

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00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a cop of mistake, but yeah, she

526
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, she she was evading inner Poll and I'm

527
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: always a mate, you know, I'm thinking Jason Bourne here

528
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you know where you can, yeah, which I love the

529
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: whole Born series. But you know, she she went from

530
00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: Columbia back in the thirteenth of April twenty twenty five.

531
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: She went from there to Argentina. From Argentina, she went

532
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Speaker 1: to Brazil. From Brazil, she landed in Spain and that's

533
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: how she made her way to the UK. And the

534
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: entire time she is evading Interpole. And I'm sure that there.

535
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just Interpol itself. You know, they

536
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: send out on if you've ever seen an Interpol bulletin,

537
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: but they'll send it out to other like like the

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00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Spanish government. Their law enforcement wing would have this in

539
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: addition to it being on Interpol's radar they had. And

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00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: just the fact that they've got an Interpole engaged in

541
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: this thing, the all seeing eye is gives you an

542
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: idea of how dangerous they think that she is because

543
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: she's you know, potentially well, okay, I'll go in and

544
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: say it. She's potentially a mass murder and she's carrying

545
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: stuff with her. Did she get rid of it. I

546
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: have I have no idea, but I'm fascinated by the

547
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: fact that she evaded for so long and traveled internationally

548
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: through all of these various ports of call, if you will,

549
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: until she's you know, found there floating, you know, floating

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00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: in the Thames.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: And I think that it was like a lifeboat service

553
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: or something that saw her. And you'll see these boats

554
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: just like screaming, you know, up and down the Thames,

555
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: and you can take high speed boat rides and all

556
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: these sorts of things. But you know, she's found there.

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00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: The question is did she did she do this? Did

558
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: she do this in order to take her life, or

559
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: did she do this to maybe feign some kind of

560
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: mental illness. I think that she was actually put into

561
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Speaker 1: if I'm not and I think she was actually put

562
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: into some kind of treatment facility initially, wasn't she Dave?

563
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was thinking they did that because you'd

564
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 2: have to be insane or on drugs to jump into

565
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: the Thames. Yeah, five in the morning on it, you know,

566
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: in December, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Brutal, I mean just absolutely. You know, you're not going

568
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: to have a bunch of snow laying on the ground

569
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: in London, but it is cold. I've been as cold

570
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: in London as I've been anywhere in my life, and

571
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: there's always a chill in that river. Though I've never

572
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: gone swimming in it, and I don't plan on. It

573
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: always looks like it would be absolutely frigid. But here

574
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: we are, Here we are, and now she is going

575
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: to be held to account for what she has done.

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00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: Are they going to be able to prove either guilt

577
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: or innocence? I don't know. But the path, the wake,

578
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: if you will, that she has left behind has far

579
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Speaker 1: extended beyond the banks of the Thames River in London.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks