1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: right now. We had the Senate all night working hard 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: to pass a bill that the Republican base does not 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: want pass. Ninety five billion dollars in foreign aid for Ukraine, Israel, 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: and Taiwan, nothing for the southern border. We shall discuss that. 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: We also have the immunity claim making its way through 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: the courts. The Trump legal team put forward an application 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: for a stay, and wow, I don't know if we're 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: going to get too deep into it today because it's intricate, 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: but basically, they're asking the Supreme Court to tell the 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: circuit court to hold on a second, you can't tell 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: the district court to go forward with the trial until 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rules on whether or not the stay 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: goes into place. And also they're looking they're looking to 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: get down the line cirt. I mean, the whole thing 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: is a giant mess, but a stay and a stay. 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: They're trying to play time games here with the Trump trial, 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: so we might get into some of that a little 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: bit later. They asked for you're actually brought this, the 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: Court should stay the d C Circuits mandate pending resolution 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: of President Trump's petition for cercii in this court. As 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: an additional relief, President Trump requests this court stay the 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: d C Circuits mandate pending the resolution for a petition 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: for en bunk consideration. Whoop clay, they are, They're getting 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: deep into legal weeds. But basically the Trump team is like, hey, 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: what's the rush. Supreme Court, we need more time for this, 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: And the DC Circuit and District Court are saying, it's 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: go time. We got to get this Trump trial going 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: as fast as possible. 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Which is why I've been saying for some time. I've 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: got the law degree. And so when you read all that, 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: which I bet a lot of people is like their 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: eyes are rolling back into their head. It is so hard, 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: even for someone who is a lawyer to be keeping 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: tabs on all of the different moving parts of the 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Trump legal process. And I think, Buck, maybe I'm gonna 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: end up being wrong, but I think all of this 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: is so much. They threw so much at him that 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: it's going to be hard for the average voter to 42 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: be focused that much on the criminal and civil prosecutions 43 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: that are taking place of Trump, and so I question 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: what the overall value is going to be because I think. 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 2: It's that they they've thrown so much at him. Buck. 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: I really feel like if they had said, Hey, we're 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: going to put all of our eggs in this one basket. 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: This is the tr trial we think is the most important. 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: This is the one we're going to bring. It's either 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, win or lose on this one. I think 51 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: people would have been able to follow it. But right now, 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: I think he's got three different hearings today. Buck, and 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: you just reference the fact of what the Supreme Court's 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: got to do, and really the essence of what you 55 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: referenced is not guilt or innocence, it's timeliness. Yes, they 56 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: are trying to do everything they can to get that 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Jack Smith trial decided before November because it's their hell 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Mary that they think will win them the election. 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: Here's what's a few things here. One, Clay, I think 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: that they probably are going to manage to get this 61 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: to trial. And here's why I think so. When you 62 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: look at the way that they have responded to motions 63 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: up to this point. None of this is normal process. 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: None of this is the way that it's supposed to go. Right, 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: Immunity issues are special. So immunity issues, when you raise them, 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: you can appeal it before you go to trial, because 67 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: the whole point if you're Trump or somebody else who 68 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: has immunity, is you shouldn't have to face a trial 69 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: at all. Right, that's the whole point. If you go 70 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: through the trial but you had immunity, you've already been punished. 71 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: So there's a different process for this because usually you 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: could only appeal a verdict, right, you don't get to 73 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: appeal that they're bringing a case against you. Well, with 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: immunity you can, Clayvy, I think you know, initially the 75 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 2: circuit they're giving them, you know, five days for this, 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: two weeks for that. I was talking to a lawyer 77 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: buddy of mine. He says, this stuff takes months. Usually 78 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: this stuff would routinely take ninety days extended extended. That 79 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: this process that they are ramming Trump through right now, 80 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: by normal order, meaning everything DC District, DC Circuit, Supreme 81 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Court motions should take at least two years, and they 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: have already condensed year one into a few months basically, right, 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: that's what's actually good. So they are throwing out and 84 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: it's all based on this principle that Jack Smith is fording. 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: And Andy McCarthy talked to us about this. I think 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: it last week that the public has a right to 87 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: a speedy trial. In this case, there's no such thing 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: as a public right to a speedy trial. There's a 89 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: defendant right to a speedy trial. So they are wildly 90 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: abusing the system already. Now there's no to your point 91 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: about process, their discretion about Okay, you've got ten days 92 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: for this motion or five days to come back on this, 93 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: or three days to come back on that. That's not 94 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: really reviewable. I mean, the Supreme Court can come in 95 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: and say no, but they're probably not going to do that. 96 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: So they're able to speed this whole thing up because 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: they're trying to get it to a trial irrespective of 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: what would be normal. So Scott's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. 99 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: So my thought in general is as soon as the 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court took one half of the charges that Jack 101 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: Smith is used and said we're going to hear this case, 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: to me, it became almost I don't know how you 103 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: start a trial with four charges if the Supreme Court 104 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: is going to potentially say two of those charges are 105 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: not prosecutable under the statute of which you're using, which 106 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: is why them taking that case was so significant. In 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: other words, if they started a trial and halfway through 108 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: the trial suddenly the Supreme Court comes down with a ruling, 109 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: then they would have to basically drop half of the 110 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: charges against Trump. So I still think that the way 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: this is going to play out, Buck is there's no 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: way they're going to start before July, and then the 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: question becomes what day does the what day officially does 114 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court come down with a ruling, And then 115 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: are they going to try to do the case the 116 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Jack Smith case in mid to late July, August, September 117 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: of an election. I think that becomes challenging to justify 118 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: as anything other than a political prosecution. 119 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: So, but the courts have gone along with this at 120 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: every step of the way. They've moved this as fast 121 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: as they absolutely possibly can, beyond anything that anyone has 122 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: ever seen before in the DC circuit. Right they're they're 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: truncating all the schedules. 124 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, they were trying to start on March fourth, so 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: that's finally out the window. So I think they're going 126 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: to miss that by several months. But yes, you're right, 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: they've moved more in a more rapid fashion than ever before. 128 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: And and we'll see what the Supreme Court does. And 129 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: to give everyone a sense of this, I mean, this 130 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: is a really fascinating point as well. I think Jack 131 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: Smith could have gone through normal process and allowed the 132 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: DC Circuit, the appeals court to hear the immunity challenge 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: and there's also community challenges. Right in two parts, there's 134 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: immunity and then there's the double jeopardy point. The double 135 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: jeopardy point, I think that gets slapped down very easily. 136 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Congress is not a criminal court. Sorry, that's not gonna work. 137 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: But the first one on immunity, that's actually a big issue. 138 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: That's a big constitutional question that has to that hasn't 139 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: been resolved by the Supreme Court. That needs to be 140 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: resolved by the Supreme Court. But Jack Smith went around 141 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: the Circuit court directly to the Supreme Court. Even though Clay, 142 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: you and I both know Circuit Court's gonna crush Trump 143 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: on this one. He doesn't even want it to go 144 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: to the mbunk. He wanted to go right to the 145 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Why because he's trying to rush this thing 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: as fast as he can, and the Supreme Court. If 147 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: they take it now that they're looking at this, they're 148 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: probably gonna move very fast too, right, because what's the point. 149 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: They can't be the ones to move slowly? 150 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: And I actually, I actually think if if they came 151 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: to me, and this would be a crazy upset, right, 152 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: if I'm having a conversation with some Supreme Court justice 153 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: and he's like or she's like, hey, Clay, what do 154 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: you think we should do here? I actually think the 155 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: way the Supreme Court should handle this is to delay it, 156 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: because what this really is buck to me, is the 157 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: question you have to ask yourself. And I go for 158 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: everybody out there, and I would say, if you're a 159 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: Republican operative, if you're listening to this, if you're on 160 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and you're listening to this, to me, 161 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: you distill all of this down and say, do you 162 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: want a jury in New York City? Do you want 163 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: a jury in Washington, DC? Do you want a jury 164 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: in South Florida? Do you want a jury in Atlanta, Georgia? 165 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: Right? 166 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: What is that forty eight people roughly? Or do you 167 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: want a Supreme Court in the United States nine people? 168 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: That's fifty six to fifty seven people? 169 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: Whatever? The math is there fifty seven. 170 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: I think, do you want fifty seven people to make 171 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: a decision about whether Trump should or should not be 172 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: the president of the United States, or do you want 173 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million people to make a decision 174 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: about whether Trump should be. 175 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: To agree with you, there is almost no chance that 176 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court sits on this and just says, yeah, 177 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: it's on our docket. We're not gonna We're not gonna 178 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: touch this until after the election. 179 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: No. 180 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying until after the election. 181 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: But I'm saying if you take it and delay it 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: as long as you can, If you take this case 183 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: and you rely, first of all, they can knock half 184 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: of the jack Smith charges out. And if they knock 185 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: half the jack Smith charges out, I do think that 186 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: would be seen as a fairly substantial win. If you 187 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: don't release your opinion, I'm not sure what the last 188 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: day to release opinions are, but let's say it's early July. 189 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Let's say it's July fourth weekend. They're going to come 190 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: out with the ruling, and then you have to go 191 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: get a jury seated. That would mean you can't start 192 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: until August. I think it becomes very difficult to start 193 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: a trial in August wise of the election. Well, because 194 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: in general you have the Department of Justice position, I. 195 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: Know that they're forgetting what the triage, what the courts 196 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: have done up to this point is entirely unprecedented in scheduling. 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: I get in as fast as humanly possible. So the 198 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: notion that they're going to rely on precedent to stop 199 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: it at that phase to me, when I'm saying Clay, 200 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: is when I was looking over this last night when 201 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: the application went through, this freight train has been quietly 202 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: moving in the background that you know was in Chuckkin's hand. 203 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: The District Court then it went to the Circuit Court 204 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: and then back to chuck In and the District Court 205 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: did I'm sorry. The Circuit Court did something that completely 206 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: shows their hand in this. They said, look, you either 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: take it to the Supreme Court or the clock starts 208 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 2: running and Chuckkin can put this back on the calendar. 209 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: That's what they want, right, They want to get to 210 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: the trials as possible. So now Supreme Court's probably going 211 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: to come down, I don't know, in the next day 212 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: or two and say okay, okay, there's a stay, right, 213 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: I think they're going to have to do that, and 214 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: then they may even I think they can say we 215 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: take your application for this stay as effectively that they 216 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: can do this a grant of sert. They can say 217 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 2: we'll look at the immunity claim now too, or they 218 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: can say hold on, brief us in a few weeks, 219 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: brief us on why you know, and go through a 220 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: more standard process. But I can't see a way in 221 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: which they're not looking at this thing and coming down 222 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: with a decision about whether the true trial can go 223 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: forward on the immunity claim within the next few months, 224 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: based on the timeline that they've done everything so far, 225 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: unless the Supreme Court is going to say all the 226 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: other courts are moving super fast, We're going to move 227 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: at normal speed, which is quite slow. Yeah, that's that's 228 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I would move at normal speed, and 229 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: that would put it. 230 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Then I think it becomes difficult to start before August 231 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: the Jack Smith case, which is then you know, we'll 232 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: also see we still got to figure out what's going 233 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: to happen in New York City. Is the Alvin Bragg 234 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: case going to go forward first? Because I think that 235 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: can wrong foot things. 236 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: But then you kind. 237 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: Of get into, I think, a very difficult proposition where 238 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: if the case is not starting till August, and if 239 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: we presume that the case is going to Remember I 240 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: was looking at this book. Do you know the first 241 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: votes start getting cast in September? I mean, I know, 242 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: it's crazy, Like I think the first vote gets cast 243 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: in on September twentieth is the first day that anybody 244 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: can vote the presidential election. Given how much early voting 245 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: and everything else there already is, I think it's going 246 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: to be hard to get any verdict in the Jack 247 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Smith case before many voters are already going out and casting. 248 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: I think they view it as just the trial might 249 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: be enough, and that's why it's all about just getting 250 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: it to the trial. So if they get guard the 251 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: outcome that yeah. Regardless of the outcome, they just feel 252 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: like if they can get Trump in a courtroom at 253 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: the height of the election, you got a guy who's 254 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: an accused criminal runn against whoever the Democrats are running. 255 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: We talk about that in a few minutes. I think 256 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: that's I think that's the whole game. And I don't 257 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: know how the Supreme Court, given how the other courts 258 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: have operated, now it will look like they're doing Trump's 259 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: bidding if they don't move fast. And there is a 260 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: pretty strong case to sit when I say that, that's 261 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 2: what the Democrats will obviously say, and there is a 262 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: pretty strong case for you know, you got to let 263 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: this thing move through and be finished. I mean, one 264 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: of the problems here is why shouldn't the whole process 265 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: be finished, because even if Trump is found guilty, he 266 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: should be able to appeal it. And what if he 267 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: was appealed. What if his appeal is upheld of the 268 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: conviction that Jack Smith gets, but that appeal doesn't come 269 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: till after the election, you know what I mean. 270 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way the Supreme Court will 271 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: rule on a Trump appeal before the election. 272 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: No, that's but that's what I'm saying is that the 273 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: appeal could come after the election, and so you don't 274 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: even get fair process even if you get a verdict 275 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: the first time around. I mean, imagine, imagine this scenario. 276 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: Trump goes to trial, Trump gets convicted. Let's say it's September, 277 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: right theoretically, yeah, and then there's an election, whatever the 278 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: outcome is, and then Trump on appeal in January or 279 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: you know, appeal says, uh, you know what, actually he's 280 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: not guilty. I mean, how does that? I don't think that. 281 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a crazy I don't think that 282 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: timeline is crazy at all. Which is why I remember, 283 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: if there are five justices who really think this is 284 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: an affront to American democracy, they can say that he 285 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: has immunity and this case is done. I don't know 286 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: if Amy, Cody, Barrett, and Cavani, Yeah, right, that's not 287 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: being talked about a lot. They could theoretically say this 288 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: case is you know, this case is within the bounds 289 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: of presidential authority and just toss it in July. 290 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: Would you you want to play you want to play 291 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: a bet on that one? 292 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: I I think it's unlikely, but I do think they're 293 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: gonna cut jack Smith's charges in half. 294 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: I think they're going to toss the half of the 295 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: ie is. And I think if they can get one, 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: if they can bring one felony indictment to trial against Trump, 297 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: that that's that's the whole that's the whole game, that's 298 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: the whole goal. I don't know. I mean, all I 299 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: know is the application when you because you know the 300 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: application amended to it, this was so appended appended to it, 301 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: sorry was the the district court and the Circuit Court's 302 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: previous actions. When you look through it, you're like, this 303 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: is a sham. 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Buck, I think you 338 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: have to think about all three of these cases not 339 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: as individual decisions, because they'll be seen as a collective whole, 340 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: as sort of the Trump docket on the Supreme Court. 341 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: I think the Supreme Court, by at least seven to two, 342 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: maybe nine to zero, is going to say Trump can't 343 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: be taken off the ballot in Colorado, that will be 344 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: considered a Trump win. I think Buck, they are going 345 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: to say five to four that half of the jack 346 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Smith cases cannot be tried, that they are misusing the 347 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: statute on the jan sixth cases, and. 348 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: Then I think six ' three. 349 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: Maybe five to four, but six ' three more likely 350 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: they will say Trump does not have broad immunity. So 351 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: Trump will win two of the cases, lose one, and 352 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: then we come back. 353 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: This is the big question that you've been asking. 354 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: I think they will issue all of those opinions other 355 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: than the Colorado case, which I think will come sooner 356 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: on the last day of the court, which will be 357 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: sometime in late June early Joe. 358 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: So does Jack Smith get to trial? 359 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: I say the question, you say yes, I'll tell you 360 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: what I think when we come back back. 361 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: That's called the teas, all right. So I was gonna 362 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: lay out a whole range of topics today for the show, 363 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: but we got a little side because there's many things. 364 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: Many of the things have happened, Biden's decline in state 365 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: of mind, also Clay. At some point I'm going to 366 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: ask you, uh, there's a chart the wall Street journals 367 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: shared of the American jobs that skew heavily to one gender. 368 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: I actually, yes, yes, we'll hold this for the end. 369 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: We're not gonna do it right now, but I want 370 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: I want to I want to everyone to think about 371 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: this one. I want you to think about this one. 372 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: The general you, uh, if you had to pick one 373 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: that skewed heavily female and had to pick one that 374 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: skewed incredibly heavily male, which ones from the list would 375 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: it be? But we'll get to that in a little 376 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: bit first up here. So it just struck me last night. 377 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: I had this because I wanted to read the just 378 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: to update everybody. There's an application from Trump's team to 379 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court for a stay of the Circuit Court 380 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 2: in d C. Circuit Court in d C gave a 381 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: deadline for Trump's team to put in this application and 382 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: if they don't put it in, the Circuit Court said, 383 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: we're sending it back to Chuck kitt in the district court. 384 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: She can put a new trial date on the calendar 385 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: and it's all systems go. Team put in the State 386 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: of Supreme Court or we need to hear from the 387 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. But I went through the whole the whole 388 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: document YEP last night and added to it. You can 389 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: see the arguments, but also you can see the other 390 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: decisions that have been handed down and the timeline, and 391 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: they are at warp speed, or if you're a spaceballs fan, 392 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: ludicrous speed. They are leaving this thing. What should take 393 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: six months in the appeals process, they're doing in ten 394 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: days or or you know, or five days. And this 395 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: is so clear what's going on with that in mind? 396 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: It does go to the Supreme Court. I already said, 397 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: I think that Jack Smith is going to squeeze in 398 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: this trial before the election. That is that is where 399 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: my head is at right now. Do you think he 400 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: gets Does he get to a trial before we cast 401 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: our votes? Yes? Or no? I I don't think so. 402 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: All right, I've got a couple. Put it on the board. 403 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: I've got a couple. 404 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: First of all, I think he'd only have two charges left, 405 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: and I think the Supreme Court is not going to 406 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: be a part of the rocket docket. 407 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 2: I think there's a chance. 408 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: Again, I don't think it's likely, but I think there's 409 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: a chance they say that Trump has immunity. Here again 410 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: I said, I think that they will not say that 411 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out a couple of crazy things for 412 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: everybody to think about. One one, I think, uh, there's 413 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: possibility that Merrick Garland, and I know some of you 414 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: out there are gonna say this never happened, that Merrick Garland, 415 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: who I think is feuding a little bit with Joe 416 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Biden right now, steps in and says, we're not because 417 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: the General Department of Justice policy that you do not 418 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: have political trials during a during a political season, and 419 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: that would clearly be the case here because it would 420 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: have to go on in August September October. I think 421 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: that's possible. Second part here, Buck, and I don't know. 422 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: You guess it's time out for say anything is possible. 423 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: Mister Clay, all right, you got to tell us what 424 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: if you're making predictions, can't be a possible prediction. 425 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm not. 426 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: In Merrick Garland's head, right. But Merrick Garland made Robert 427 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: her a special counsel. Robert Her again gave Biden a 428 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: pass on a willful criminal violation, which I disagree with. 429 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: But he also really and we're going to talk about 430 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: the cognition issues may have may have cut the legs 431 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: out from underneath the Biden presidency to. 432 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: Get into that. 433 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: And I think the rig job that they tried to 434 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: push through, remember the Hunter Biden no charges everything else, 435 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: the Politico story where Biden went off and said he 436 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: doesn't like Merrick Garland and he's not going to bring 437 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: him back. I think there's a possibility that Merrick Garland 438 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: has a uh better betterment of the country moment where 439 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: he says, I'm not going to allow this trial to 440 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: go forward and it doesn't happen. 441 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: And I understand that I would give you a undred 442 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 2: to one odds on this product. I mean, this prediction 443 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: is Bunkersville. You have way too much faith in Merrick Garland, 444 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: way too much faith in it. I have it. 445 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: I have faith as a warrior in the same way 446 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: that Judge Mary Ellen Noriyaika Trump appointee said no to 447 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: the Sweetheart Deal. Remember I was like the only person 448 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: saying Garland is a Biden appointee. There's a big difference here. 449 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: I get it. But ultimately, Merrick Garland is judged by history, 450 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: not by Joe Biden. And if you are over seventy 451 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: years old, do you want to be the guy who 452 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: is ramming through a conviction that to your point years 453 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: from now, in the moment, you can make choices that 454 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: seem like good choices when you sit back. That's what 455 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: the law does. Warriors sit back and they think ideally. 456 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: Judges in particular, you have zero faith. 457 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: I still are in the midst of all out law 458 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: fair against leading republic the Republican nominee. Ye. They have 459 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: broken all the taboos, they have crossed all the rubicons. 460 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: They get a crap about precedent, about prior practice, about 461 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: DOJ guidance. And you think Merrick Garland is going to 462 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: be the man standing the thwart the madness and allowing 463 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: people to vote on Trump. I don't know, I do. 464 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: I do have still I'm like, if this were a movie, 465 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 1: I would be like Luke Skywalker, who still believes that 466 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Darth Vader even Vader, But do you. 467 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: Remember what happened to Vader? Wasn't good? Wasn't good. 468 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying Vader went down, but he had a 469 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: moment of redemption. Buck, I still believe in the possibility 470 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: of redemption. Spoiler alert. By the way, if you haven't 471 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: seen Return of the Jedi, I believe Merrick Garland could 472 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: be like Darth Vader there at the end, getting his 473 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: helmet pulled off, breathing slowly as the empire crumbles around him, 474 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: recognizing that he still went to law school and he 475 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: still became a lawyer, and he held his hand up 476 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: and he swore an oath to the law to preserve 477 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: the country. 478 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Okay, this is the craziest most Outlantis theory. I think 479 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: you've ever leveled on the show. And if you happen 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: to end up being right, we'll have to come up 481 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: with I don't know, I'll have to bow down liability. 482 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: Buck and I don't even know what the law would happen. 483 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: I think there's some possibility that if they try so 484 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: this is if Merrick Garland doesn't have his Darth Vader 485 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: redemption moment. Second part here, I think there's some possibility 486 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: that Trump refuses to show up for the trial. And 487 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: if he refuses to show up for the trial, I 488 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: don't know what the what the process of the courts 489 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: would be. 490 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: Are they going to arrest president? What do you mean? 491 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: They would have to hold them in contempt and threaten 492 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: to incarcerat him? Right? 493 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know what the process under 494 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: which that would occur, they would put him in prison, 495 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: and they would put him in handcuffs and lead him 496 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: into court. Like I think that this could blow up 497 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: in their faces and there could be all sorts of 498 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: procedural machinations associated with If Trump just says, screw you, guys, 499 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm campaigning for president. 500 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: I'm not showing up for your sham trial. That theory 501 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: is that's hardcore but not crazy. You're Merrick Garland theory. 502 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm just I can't even be I can't co sign it. 503 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 2: I don't even know what's happened. Someone's kidnapped play today. 504 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: But you're Trump's defying the court. That's certainly within the 505 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: realm of Trump's attitude, as we've seen in the civil trials. 506 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: And I do think it raises an interesting question of 507 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 2: do they really have that? You know once to do 508 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: you have the stress stops to put these months to 509 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: Donald Trump day in prison or jail in Washington DC? 510 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: Are you going to go down to mar A Lago 511 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: and arrest him? I mean to me, how does that 512 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: play politically? I don't know the answer, but I think 513 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: it's a pretty crazy look for Joe. Think about this 514 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: buck for Joe Biden's Department of Justice to travel to 515 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: ma A Lago, storm mar A Lago, take his chief 516 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: political rival, put him in cuffs, and sit him in prison. 517 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: I think that is potentially a play we could have 518 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: if they try to put this in on court. 519 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: If I think we don't have the Darth Vader redemption, 520 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: I think you underestimate the viciousness and the go it 521 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: all the way, at all costs nature of the Democrat 522 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: opposition against Trump. I think they will do whatever they would. 523 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: You advise Trump to refuse to show up and make 524 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: them come to Marrow Lago and put him in cuffs. Politically, 525 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: not a legal analysis, but a political analysis. 526 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know how. I don't know how. People, 527 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: because look, if the Supreme Court, let's just let's just 528 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: we're leaving something out here and we've gotten way down. 529 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 2: There's news today that we have to get this. 530 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 1: This is the election, okay, which is crazy to think 531 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: about it. 532 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 2: It's a ways out there. If the Supreme Court allows 533 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: the trial to go forward effectively, I think then that 534 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: puts a stamp of Look, he's not immune and they 535 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: brought charges and he's facing trial and a majority conservative 536 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: or at least you know theoretically conservative court allowed the trust. 537 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: The Spreme Court could we didn't even talk about this. 538 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: They could just say, nah, sorry, this whole thing is 539 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 2: you know, he's got immunity to sham basically shut it down, 540 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: shut it all down. That could happen. I don't think 541 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: that's going to happen. I give that like a ten 542 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 2: percent five percent chance something in that neighborhood. But if 543 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 2: they allow it to go forward and there is this trial, 544 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean everything this is, this is sort of what 545 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: what I was thinking about last night. And then and 546 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: then we have to we have to do a reading, 547 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: We have to come back and talk about Decline and 548 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: Biden apparently hour two and even get back to it. 549 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: Here's my underlying thesis for so much of this, Clay 550 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: or maybe just thought process for this. Everything that we've 551 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: said they wouldn't do, not we but you know, everything 552 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: that the consensus opinion had been, how they would never 553 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: dare they would never dare do that against Trump they 554 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: have done at every step of the way. There has 555 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: been no impeach them once, Yes, impeachm. Twe Yes, Special 556 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: Council Russia collusion, yes, trying to get charged against him, Yes, 557 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: trying to use you monument's clause. Yes, and now this 558 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: four criminal indictments. I mean, the whole thing is nuts. 559 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: They have broken down the barriers, the bulwarks of sanity 560 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: at every stage. So we think at the last moment 561 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 2: that we think it's going to hold, I don't know. 562 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: I don't I don't think. I don't see it. That's 563 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: that's my problem. 564 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: We I mean, we're truly in uncharted waters, unprecedented era, 565 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: and it may well decide the election. By the way, 566 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: I would advise Trump if he were asking me, I 567 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: would say, don't show up for trial. If they try 568 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: to do trial, make them come to mar A Lago, 569 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: storm mar A Lago and take you out in cuffs 570 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of a fall presidential campaign. That's what 571 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: I would suggest. Now Trump may prefer buck that the 572 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: whole charade. 573 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: Of the trial. 574 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: He may want to stand on the steps and make 575 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: the argument. But I think forcing Joe Biden's Department of 576 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Justice to arrest you when we are all voting may 577 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: have started, I think would blow up in Joe Biden's 578 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: face in a massive way. 579 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: I really really do. 580 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: Regardless of what the trial was at that point, we'll 581 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: talk about that also Joe Biden's declining cognition. 582 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: Will it even be Joe Biden in charge? 583 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: And you know what you need, right maybe some testosterone, 584 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: maybe them bigger vitality for certainly what they could use 585 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: in the Biden White House where they have noster probably 586 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: the least sosterone administration of American political history. 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We'll take some of 612 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: your calls, by the way, as we roll into the 613 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: second hour here in a bit. Just got a VIP email. 614 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: I love the way it starts, albeit rare. Clay is right, 615 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: albeit rare is a very good They have covered Biden's 616 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: ass and now they release info about Biden which could 617 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: end him. Either Merrick Garland has seen the Warrior Light 618 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: or something. 619 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 2: Else is afoot. I'm just letting all of our beloved 620 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: VIPs know. I'm keeping all of these. Ah. I do 621 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: like this guy in particular, if he apparently is keeping score. 622 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: I do keep in mind all the people that say 623 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: that it's not going to be Biden. I'm going to 624 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: send you all a mass email when it is Biden 625 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: and just ask where are you taking me out for steak? 626 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: All across America in your hometown? Where am I getting 627 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: the best steak? Because you're going to owe me, folks. 628 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: You've got receipts, all right? You also mentioned this the 629 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. What have you got in front of you? 630 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: All right? The American jobs that skew most heavily to 631 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: one gender. I'm gonna have Clay pick once I tell 632 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: them what the jobs are. But we first wanted to 633 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: see the highest proportion profession in this country of female workers. 634 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: Is what I would guess. I'm gonna give you three guesses. 635 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: There's five on this list. 636 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: You told me. 637 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three jobs that I think would 638 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly skew female. One would be like preschool kindergarten teacher. 639 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: There's almost is that on the list. Yes, do we 640 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: have a ding bell? Another would be like I don't 641 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: know if it's too specific, but like I would say 642 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: like some sort of like cosmetic skin, like you know, 643 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: like care ish thing like. 644 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: I've never knowld it again, you didn't see this list. No, 645 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: I've not seen the list. Okay, those are number one 646 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 2: and number two, just you know you said them at two. 647 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: First and number one it's a skincare specialist. 648 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Skincare I've never heard or seen of skincare specialists or 649 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: female Yeah, like I'm thinking like Rodan and Fields like 650 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff, like they never, they never. 651 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 2: There's never a man you nailed too. 652 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: And the third, what would I say is the third 653 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: most female centric job? I'm thinking already I think, think 654 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: like a sexist Clay, Yeah, think yeah, think like a sexist. 655 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm thinking of the men. I'm thinking of 656 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: the men's secretary as the h that's super Yeah, that's 657 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: a good point. 658 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was trying to help you with that. I 659 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: threw you a clue. You had phone a friend on 660 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: live radio right there. And then the next two so 661 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: it's skincare specialist, preschool kindergarten teacher number two, number three 662 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: legals or just secretaries, administrative assistants for dental hygienis. Oh, 663 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 2: I should have gotten that one. And then five is 664 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 2: speed Wich language pathologist. 665 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: Okay, men, let me give you some men that I 666 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: immediately think of, like a mechanic, mechanics. Mechanics got to 667 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: be on the list, like construction worker, yes, A like 668 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: plumber or something like that. 669 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 2: Like is there any player, yes, a like. That's three. 670 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: I just nailed three. One of the other three all right, 671 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: logging workers and by a mason or stonemason. Those are 672 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: the top five. If you have to pick one of 673 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: the female centric jobs, which one is it to do yourself? Second? Man, 674 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: those all sell like awful jobs. I was gonna look 675 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: at Travis. 676 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: I was gonna say secretary, but I would just feel 677 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: like such a little bit. 678 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 2: I would say, of the of the male worker jobs, 679 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 2: you can tell me which one I'd go Logging just 680 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: be at least you're outdoors. But I don't know if 681 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: we have any loggers listening, please call in and tell 682 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: me what it's like to be and. 683 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: Being totally afraid of getting hit by a tree. That's 684 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: a tough job. 685 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 2: Man. 686 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: I would probably be a plumber. I don't think a plumber. 687 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: That's kind of a gross job. But at least you're indoors, 688 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: the weather's not that bad. Plumbers fix problems and are 689 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: super necessary plumbers. I prop people with a smile. I 690 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: probably go with the kindergarten teacher. I think if I 691 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: had to pick one of those people, might I know 692 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: they'd ask questions,