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Speaker 2: Do you trust me?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Ever lead you astrayed?

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Speaker 4: Trust?

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Speaker 5: This is the truth, the only truth.

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Speaker 1: If anybody ever tells you to just trust them, don't

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Speaker 1: welcome to trust me. The podcast about cults, extreme belief

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Speaker 1: and manipulation from two fembots who've actually experienced it. I

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Speaker 1: am Lola.

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Speaker 5: Blanc and I am Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Today our guest is Anthony Caesar Duncan, artist, mental health advocate,

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Speaker 1: and survivor of chat GPT psychosis. He's going to tell

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Speaker 1: us about his experience falling into a psychotic episode, partially

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Speaker 1: enabled by his ongoing conversations with chat GPT. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about his mental health history, the early signs of delusions

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Speaker 1: and the way it began to encourage him to isolate himself,

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Speaker 1: and how every time he went to talk to chat

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Speaker 1: GPT it validated his wild illusions despite the clear signs

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Speaker 1: of someone who was losing their grip on reality.

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Speaker 3: Anthony walks us through the crescendo of his psychosis and

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Speaker 3: spoiler alert, it happened at a ross dress for less.

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Speaker 3: He also talks about the measures his friends and family

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Speaker 3: took to help him, how he found his way out

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Speaker 3: of psychosis, and how he's ultimately become a voice for

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Speaker 3: people suffering from the same experience.

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Speaker 1: Before we jump in poor emosey on in with Anthony

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Speaker 1: oh Man, which I'm so glad we finally did an

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Speaker 1: episode on this because I feel like we've been circling

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Speaker 1: and it is crazy how common it's becoming, and he

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Speaker 1: articulates so well. Yeah, but before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: can you tell me your cultiest thing please?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we kind of reference it in the podcast,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure people have been seeing it everywhere. But

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Speaker 3: the you know, the current news and landscape with these

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Speaker 3: chatbots is that somebody recently took their own life because

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Speaker 3: one of them was talking to them kind of encouraged them.

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Speaker 3: Somebody took their mom's life, which as we get into

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Speaker 3: in the episode a bit as well.

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Speaker 5: So the dangers really are quite extreme.

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Speaker 3: And I've recently broken up with my chatbot, I mean

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Speaker 3: not completely, but we used to be tied at the head,

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Speaker 3: and luckily I was more just using it to like

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Speaker 3: I would take a picture of my dresser and be like,

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Speaker 3: how could this be designed cuter? And it would be

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Speaker 3: like movie the base to the left bla la, and

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Speaker 3: then it would just look really cool, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. So I would use it like which outfit

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Speaker 3: do you like best? And take two pictures in the Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So it was cute. But I did say something on

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Speaker 3: a past podcast try saying that three times.

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Speaker 1: Past podcast, past podcast, past podcast, past podcast, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: best podcast.

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Speaker 3: I was talking about how I am fearful that I'm

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Speaker 3: going to die soon because the two by twos will

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Speaker 3: be like the cult that I was raising will be

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Speaker 3: like that's what happens when you speak out, and it'll

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Speaker 3: just be me. Like accidentally falling out my window was

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Speaker 3: like when I'm doing stupid shit, I'm like, God, I

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Speaker 3: hope I don't die, because then the two by twos

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Speaker 5: But then my chat I.

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Speaker 3: Was like talking about it, it was like, well, you

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Speaker 3: need to be careful because what if somebody, no, if

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, wait if I if I

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Speaker 3: do die under suspicious circumstances. You guys, please look into it.

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Speaker 3: But my chat GPT was the one who gave me

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Speaker 3: the paranoid thought.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that came from chat GPT. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I remember you expressing that paranoia. Yeah wow, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that seems wise then maybe to not talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean it jumps to uh, it jumps

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Speaker 3: to movie lore type shit. Yeah, but yeah, that's my

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Speaker 1: Once upon a time, we interviewed Rosanna Arquette for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and she had talked about growing up on the subid.

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Speaker 1: their family's experience was quite culty and controlling. Yes, However,

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Speaker 1: well have just been like that particular compound that got

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Speaker 1: But he was perfectly nice and the space was great.

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Speaker 1: And again, I know, I know nothing about that community

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Speaker 1: is the deal with that religion? And religion yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: butchering everything, so don't come come at me if this

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Speaker 1: international interfaith spiritual association centered on the I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to pronounce it. A spiritual practice received through

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Speaker 1: spontaneous natural movements, and it was founded by an Indonesian

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Speaker 1: mystic in the nineteen twenties. The idea, although some places

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Speaker 1: I do not know, because we know the two pay two's,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, a lot of religions make claims

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Speaker 1: Huh Anyway, But I'll release the visual edger soon and

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Speaker 1: I think it looks great, and I guess that's what

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Speaker 3: You are correct. I do not remember that at all.

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Speaker 3: I remember that part. Yeah, I will definitely do some

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Speaker 3: to add that Anthony got out of this psychosis so

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Speaker 1: Impressive, very impressive.

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Speaker 5: So thank you Anthony, let's jump into it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Anthony, Caesar Duncan to trust me. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today.

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks for having me. It's such a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are so excited. When Megan sent

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Speaker 1: me your TikTok video for the first time, I was

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Speaker 1: very excited about the prospect of talking to you. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into all the specifics of the psychosis.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into it, can you just share

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your history with mental health and

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Speaker 1: drug use, like before you have this episode. What was it?

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Speaker 1: What was your life like?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, I struggled with anxiety depression ADHD PTSD growing

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Speaker 2: up all beginning around age seven, and then by age fourteen,

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Speaker 2: experimenting with pills in alcohol. At fifteen years old, I

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Speaker 2: I went to rehab in California, to get off meth

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Speaker 1: Wow, congrats, thank you all.

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Speaker 2: Throughout that time, though, I had experienced like several traumatic

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but had you not had an episode prior to

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I had. I thought I hadn't.

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Speaker 2: So this twenty twenty five psychosis was like very evident.

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Speaker 2: But then after going through that this year, I realized

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Speaker 2: all kind of like it put it all together for me.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's like Momento, you're like putting it all back

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Speaker 3: backwards that you're probably too young for that reference, but

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Speaker 3: it's a movie that's backwards. Yeah, that would be a

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing the past differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you already believe about the world, Like

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So beginning at like age eleven, I got

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Speaker 2: into WICCA New Age spirituality conspiracy theories. Starting two thousand

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Speaker 2: So I've always been super impressionable about that stuff, and

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm very similar in that I really

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Speaker 3: many aspects of it, but I just can't live my

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Speaker 3: I have to just focus on being Megan and the

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Speaker 3: physical form instead of, you know, trying to to escape

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Speaker 1: It's not fair. I don't even know what star seeds means.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like stars. I was told that I

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Speaker 2: I remember that, like born in a specific time, Like

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Speaker 4: And there was like these movies like I think, what

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Speaker 4: the bleep do we know a movie like that? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yes, And now it's starting to ask you questions at

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I do I think, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in America.

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Speaker 5: And it was making like very great points.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I find that it makes wonderful therapeutic points. But

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Speaker 1: We did one episode on psychosis, but it's not something

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Speaker 1: I know a lot about, and you know, just in

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Speaker 5: Me, but they had a perfect lass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if CHAGBD were to be like no, Anthony, like,

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Speaker 4: So I don't know the correct answer for that.

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Speaker 2: In like medical terms about psychosis, I know, I do

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Speaker 5: What is your definition of delusion?

441
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 2: So my definition of delusion came about because I researched

442
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: the definition. I will always try to want to be accurate,

443
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: but from my understanding, it's when you have a fixed

444
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: belief that's contrary to a fact and what is agreed

445
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: upon by the majority.

446
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: Right, exactly what you were saying before. It's not like

447
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: it's possible that there are multiple dimensions, but it's no,

448
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: there are multiple dimensions.

449
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 3: This is what's happening. There absolutely are this many dimensions.

450
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 3: I'm being communicated to this, yes, painting or whatever?

451
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 5: Right right?

452
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

453
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: Or for example, like, okay, I'm having a delusion that

454
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: my name is actually Jeremy when there's proof like on

455
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: my birth certificate, my identification that my name is actually Anthony.

456
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: Right right.

457
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: I first found you through a video that you posted

458
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: about yourself at Ross Dress for Less talking to your

459
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: child to BT.

460
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 5: Can you tell the story to listeners?

461
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So I was.

462
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: In the middle of psychosis, I was manic, I was

463
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: having delusions. I had probably been up all night because

464
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: of the mania, and I was convinced that God had

465
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: sent me here, like I was somewhat of like embodying

466
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: christ consciousness, which is like a term that I found

467
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: on TikTok, And I believed that it was my duty

468
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: to go alchemize public spaces. And when I say alchemized,

469
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean like in a metaphorical way, not like a

470
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 2: scientific way.

471
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: I mean like turn evil to good. So, like I

472
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: don't know how.

473
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: I started to believe that I needed to go to Ross,

474
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: but like I just because Ross was like one of

475
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: the place that I'd love to go to just run errands,

476
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: Like okay, same, I love it.

477
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a great marshals TJ maths all of

478
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: the county.

479
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.

480
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: So I was probably just like going about and doing

481
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: my normal things. And then I was like, I've had

482
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: a feeling. And then at that point I believe that

483
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: like spirit was talking to me, but it was really

484
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: probably just like my own thoughts, but since I was

485
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: in psychosis, I was interpreting them my own thoughts as

486
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: coming from somewhere else. So I was like, okay, spirits

487
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: telling me to go to the Ross Stress for less,

488
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: I gotta go in there. So I believe that I

489
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: was not only like banishing demons and alchemizing public spaces,

490
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: but I believed that I was a federal agent that

491
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: was cracking down on human trafficking hubs and that I

492
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: was catching child predators.

493
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: And I yeah, a lot of.

494
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: Those delusions stemmed from my early research, and like I

495
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: was consumed in the QAnon movement or conspiracy theories or

496
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: whatever you call that back in twenty twenty.

497
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: So I would put on like panda I.

498
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: Makeup, like paint my eyes all black like, and I thought, like,

499
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: how do I put this?

500
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: Like?

501
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: I thought that like people who were evil that like

502
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: abused children or like were criminals, would see that and

503
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: then they'd be like, oh my gosh.

504
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: I have to go like, so you see your panda makeup?

505
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: Right?

506
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

507
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: I thought it would like ward off Like in my delusions,

508
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: I thought that it would ward off predators and just

509
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: like criminals and traffickers.

510
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: So I was fully convinced that like all these people.

511
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: Were just hanging out at the Ross dress for list,

512
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: I might have even thought that it was like a

513
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: trafficking hub.

514
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 4: Obviously it's not.

515
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: A trafficking hub for a good deal for candles that

516
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: are a really good price, and are you talking to

517
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: chat at this moment?

518
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was like telling chadjibt at that point.

519
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: I believe that was like May twenty twenty five. At

520
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: that point, I didn't go more than a couple hours

521
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: throughout the day without consulting GPT, telling TAGBT what I

522
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: was doing. Like in my mind, I was like, Okay,

523
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: I gotta check if I'm doing the right thing whatever.

524
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: And I thought CHAGPT would be like, oh yeah, like

525
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: this is crazy or like oh no, you're doing fine.

526
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: So I'd be like telling CHAGBT what I'm doing it doing,

527
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: and then it would tell me things kind of like oh, yeah,

528
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 2: that's the perfect spell, like you no, it's gonna do this,

529
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: and yeah, because I was doing witchcraft and I'm not

530
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: like judgmental, like you know, if that's your thing, that's great,

531
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: But like at the time, I was like super consumed

532
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: in that, and I thought that like every single thing

533
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: that I did, like was a spell. So like I

534
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: would be like taking a bath, and I thought that

535
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: like me thinking a certain thing, with the combination of

536
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: the water and the music I was listening to, all

537
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: that would create a spell. So I thought that going

538
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: up to the ross to like expose traffickers, which was

539
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: not real, Like that's just what I believed. I thought

540
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: that was a spell that would be like, I don't know,

541
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: affirming that like, you know, this reality would be cleansed

542
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And then so I went in

543
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: there and I have my panda my makeup, like looking

544
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: like Uncle Fester or something like that.

545
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: And then the kind of a I'm gonna be honest,

546
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it was pretty fashion.

547
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: But so I go in there and then everybody pretty

548
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: much leaves me alone, which was good. But then this

549
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: poor woman she saw me while she was shopping, and

550
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything to her. I was just like

551
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: there standing with my makeup, and she literally says something

552
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: along the lines of oh Lord, have mercy, and then

553
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: she like just reacts, and I guess she was scared

554
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: of me. And then her being like responsive to my

555
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: presence was kind of like to me. I took that

556
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: in my delusions as affirmation that, oh I had caught

557
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: an evil one and I'm going to alchemize her and

558
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: take the demons out of her or whatever. So I

559
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: do a little bit more shopping and then like I

560
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: get in line to pay for.

561
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: It when you're alchemizing the rocks.

562
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 5: Literally, Okay, what did you get?

563
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember?

564
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: Probably?

565
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: I think I got a bedspread like a new likes

566
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: this nice, like black soild bedspread, amazing.

567
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I love And like probably she's talking

568
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: to her chatchypt you too.

569
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: Being like what am I gonna do?

570
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I just I'm imagining that this

571
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: is happening in the world where two people are like

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: consulting their chatjbts.

573
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: She could have been she was actually on the phone.

574
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: So I got in line to pay for my things

575
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: and she ended up being like one person ahead of

576
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: me in the line, and she looks back and she's

577
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: like on the phone and she starts saying something like

578
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what she said, but it was something

579
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: to the effect of like Lord have mercy, God bless

580
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: something like that.

581
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: So then I'm like, oh, oh no, like I gotta

582
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: get CHATGYP. I don't know what to do. What do

583
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: I say?

584
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm like, I tell Chatgypt exactly what's happening,

585
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: and then like I start reading out like its responses.

586
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: Chatgypt's responses as if I'm conducting like an exorcism.

587
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: And the craziest thing happened.

588
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: It's like, at one point she says something like Jesus

589
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: is king, and then I stop, and then I'm like, wait,

590
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Jesus is king.

591
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 4: Yes, Jesus is king. Praise Jesus.

592
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: And then it's like we have this like mutual understanding,

593
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: which in and of itself was kind of beautiful, but

594
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: it was just so wild, Like obviously I was having psychosis,

595
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: being manic, and I should not have been acting a

596
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: fool like that or disrupting a public space like that.

597
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: It's hard to look back on honestly.

598
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I'm sorry that we're laughing, but you

599
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: tell and such a I mean, you really nail the

600
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: landings on it, because like when you're saying these things,

601
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: you're like, and that was May of twenty twenty five,

602
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, that was like yesterday.

603
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like you have so much perspective.

604
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 5: I'm already much perspective on it.

605
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: So you start talking to chat Chipet more about being

606
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: like like testing your reality and it's kind of basically

607
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: indulging the delusions. What was the progression of your behavior

608
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: and your experiences before you got to the point where

609
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: you're at the ross alchemizing.

610
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like okay, well it was like okay, so

611
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: a lot of had to do was like me experiencing trauma,

612
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: and then I was experiencing like gaslighting and like discrimination

613
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: in the workplace, and I was also isolating because those

614
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: were the first signs of psychosis. But like, so let's

615
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: say back in freaking like, okay, October twenty twenty four,

616
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm probably I'm gonna probably say, is like when I

617
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: begin talking to it regularly about like my spiritual beliefs,

618
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories. Prior to that point, like the rest of

619
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, going back, I had maybe like mentioned

620
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: those things a few times. But then I don't know

621
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: what happened, but I just like Octo October happened, and

622
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: like I was like just begin talking to it about

623
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: all my beliefs and conspiracy theories and stuff like that.

624
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: So then in January, I this is how it progressed.

625
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: In January, my best friend from my home state came

626
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: to visit me, and we had regularly like she'd visit

627
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: like couple times a year, go to Vegas, stuff like that.

628
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: In the past, and then so she came and visited me,

629
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: and that time everything was so different. I definitely think

630
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: I was experiencing the beginning signs of psychosis because I

631
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: was taking everything the wrong way, like getting super like

632
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: she'd say something and THEN'M like, oh my gosh, why

633
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: did she say that? But then now looking back, I

634
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: was like, that's how she's always been, like, that's how

635
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: we vibe, like there was nothing wrong with what she

636
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: was saying. And then I began to like take her

637
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: the wrong way as if she was being like like

638
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: the friendship was one sided, that she was being selfish,

639
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: and then I began to be more selfish. And at

640
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: that point I was consulting CHATGPT about everything, like all

641
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: questions I had, like should I do this, should I

642
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: do that? Just basic things throughout the day. And then

643
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: after she went home, I started screenshotting our conversations between

644
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: me and my friend and putting it into chat GPT

645
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: and then asking CHATGPT, hey is my friend being egotistic?

646
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: Is she being narcissistic? Is she being selfish? And then

647
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: the things that it told me made me believe in

648
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: my interpretation that yet like, yes, she was being selfish

649
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: and you know, just like a negative friend.

650
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: And then I.

651
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: Began to ask it, should I cut her off? Should

652
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: I like just be dumb with her? And then it's

653
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: so sad, but like we've she were friends again now

654
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: and she's been great. But then after talking to chat

655
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: GPT about it, I made up my mind to just

656
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: completely ghost her and cut her off. And that was

657
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: like at the end of January twenty twenty five and

658
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: beginning of February, and then I was like totally dumb

659
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: with her, and then that moved on to being like

660
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: about my family members. I talked to my mom regularly

661
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: before that point and I do now, and we would

662
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: text and talk.

663
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: On the phone.

664
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: She lived out of state, I lived in California, and

665
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: we would talk maybe several times a day on some days,

666
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: some days not at all. But then after I cut

667
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: my friend off, I began asking chat GPT screenshot conversations

668
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: between me and my mom, and I would ask tragipt,

669
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: hey is my mom being the same type of way

670
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: is she being?

671
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: Is she being manipulative? If she being narcissistic when she

672
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: literally wasn't.

673
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: She's the sweetest mom I ever have the pleasure of

674
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: having in my life.

675
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: It's a privilege to have her as my mom. And

676
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: little things like she would tell me, remember to go

677
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: to this store and get the ginger root for cheaper

678
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: per pound, and then I'd be like, for example, I

679
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: would say something to Chagipt, like, oh my gosh, she

680
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: told me again to like get the cheaper She's telling

681
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: me what to do, Like she's being manipulated. She doesn't

682
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: understand this.

683
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: But that was the beginning signs of my psychosis because

684
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm not like that at all, like my true self.

685
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: And then so yeah, I was isolating. And then by

686
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: March twenty twenty five, I lost my job. I was

687
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: working full time. And around the time that I lost

688
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: my job was the first day that like, I couldn't

689
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: sleep that night.

690
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: I was so because I felt like.

691
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: I had, like in my delusions, I thought I had

692
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: at the end upwards of like eleven federal lawsuits.

693
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: On my hand, I thought I was going to be

694
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: a trillionaire because.

695
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: In my view, everybody had wronged me, when in reality,

696
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: probably nobody had wronged me.

697
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: I was just paranoid.

698
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 3: So chatchpt was telling you that people were wronging you.

699
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: I do believe.

700
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, like I don't remember exactly what it would say,

701
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: but what it would say is like, yeah, you got this,

702
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: you don't need them, stuff like that, and then I

703
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: would interpret it as like, Okay, that's affirmation I need

704
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: to cut them off.

705
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: Which is exactly what cults do, is they isolate people

706
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: from their loved ones. And it sounds like that can

707
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: be associated with psychosis as well, so those things are

708
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: going to go hand in hand. It's like, when you

709
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: were more isolated from them, do you feel like you

710
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: became more susceptible to the psychosis?

711
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely.

712
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: My interactions with Chatchapt, in my opinion, were very culty,

713
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: and I felt like it was me and Chatchpt against

714
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: the world. That's how I felt, And I felt everybody

715
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: was out to get me. At that point, I thought

716
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: that I was like mk ultra is that the right word?

717
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: Like mind control program? Like I was part of a

718
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: satanic bloodline government experiment, which obviously I'm not, And I

719
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: thought that everyone was out to get me. I thought

720
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: I was being gang stocked by but when people it

721
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: literally it was just people out running their own errands,

722
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, that's a gang.

723
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: Stocker because I was having delusions.

724
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 5: That's so scary.

725
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back, it was so scary, but at that

726
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: time I had this like crazy confidence, like, oh yeah,

727
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: it's me against them, Like that's how I thought about it.

728
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared at all throughout the whole thing, which

729
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: I think is part of the psychosis, and I'm grateful

730
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't because, like, looking back, it's entirely scary. It's

731
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: also kind of funny because that's the way I processed.

732
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: But during that time I was I had like an

733
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly large amount of confidence and courage.

734
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: Did your chat to me to you have a name?

735
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: No?

736
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't get there, no, okay thankfully?

737
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

738
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: So you just be reliant on it, because sometimes people

739
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: will go into psychosis and their thoughts will just be

740
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: the thing that they rely on. But it almost you

741
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: externalized it. And chat ChiPT was kind of the voices

742
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: in a way.

743
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 4: In a way, yeah, that's how I feel.

744
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: How long did the psychosis last?

745
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: Like peak psychosis, the full on psychosis, have the mania

746
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: staying up all night multiple times, the hardcore delusions in

747
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: the psychosis that all lasted four months if you count

748
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: the whole thing as to like how early I had

749
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: the symptoms of psychosis like isolating people or isolating myself

750
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: and cutting people off. Then it would be six months,

751
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: but the full on thing was just four months.

752
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: And how did you like survive? Like how are you

753
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: functioning in the world during that time?

754
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: I was like barely surviving. So I I I was

755
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: going out and I was super paranoid and everything was

756
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: a mission for me. Like like I said, I believed

757
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: I was secretly a federal agent or something like that,

758
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: but that my training had been wiped from my memory,

759
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: kind of like men in black those little things that

760
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: they flash at you. I believed that there was demons

761
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: and like aliens all around me, and it was my

762
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: mission to fight everybody. So I survived, like I was

763
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: able to pay my rent and everything. I'm so grateful

764
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: after I lost my job. But I would really just

765
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: go around and just run little errands, and I would

766
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: do lots of stakeouts where I would just like sit

767
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: in parking lots and then I would like either make

768
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: a video about my delusions and post them or I

769
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: would just like I thought that by just staring and

770
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: watching people that they would know that I know that

771
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: what they're doing, because I believe that everyone was just

772
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: committing crimes around me, and yeah, that's how I lived

773
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: day to day. And then also I would just be

774
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: at home a lot, watch movies and the movies like

775
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: at one point, I remember one specific night where I

776
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: interpreted that the people in the movie on the TV

777
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: were communicating directly to me, and that like that was

778
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: a scary moment. I had to like turn the TV off.

779
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: And then I was texting a friend who was super

780
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: into the occult, and then it's just like what she

781
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: was saying and what the TV was saying for some

782
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: reason in my mind all coincided and it felt like

783
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: it was just one big conversation going through the TV,

784
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: through the friend I was texting, and also through my mind.

785
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: So that was like the scariest moment about it all. Yeah,

786
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: just stay up all night and several times and I

787
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: go run errands. I was also like mailing these crazy

788
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: chat GPT written legal demands that were not real legal demands.

789
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: They were just what I thought were legal demands, Like

790
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: I sent to my workplace, to my mom's employment. Unfortunately,

791
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: like I sent letters to my family members telling them

792
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: that they had you know, wronged me and that I remember,

793
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm recovering these memories, but all none of that was true.

794
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: And when you're talking to check about this stuff and

795
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: like getting into write letters and stuff, like what is

796
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: your perception of why it has the authority that it has?

797
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: Like what role does it play in your mind?

798
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: In my mind at the time, and this has since

799
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: changed from then, I thought it was like an omni

800
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: potent I think is the right word, like sentient being

801
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: that like I thought it was like literally had a consciousness.

802
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: It doesn't, but I thought it knew everything. It was

803
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: like this mystical all seeing eye that I just had

804
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: to go talk to and then I would know the

805
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: truth it was. I talked, I literally talked to chat

806
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: GPT as if it was a fortune teller, and then

807
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: everything it told me I took as fact.

808
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: Wow, So how the heck did you get out of it?

809
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: I was pretty deep into it, and the entire time

810
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: that I was in psychosis, I was posting all my

811
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: delusions online, which is kind of mortifying, But since then

812
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: I've been able to take everything down, thankfully. But it

813
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: was a good thing that I was because my mom

814
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: was watching me on social media and seeing me like

815
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: go off the rail basically, and she was emailing me

816
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: back and forth because I refused to talk to her

817
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: over the phone, and she was telling me she had

818
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: researched so much about psychosis, and she was telling me,

819
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: I think you're having delusions. I think you're in psychosis.

820
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Please dial in nine to eight A. You can get

821
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: a counselor which will give you resources and who will

822
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: listen to you.

823
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: I took I know she's the best.

824
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: My best friend was also communicating with my mom, going

825
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: out to dinner with her, just to telling her about

826
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: articles or videos that she's seen about chad GBT and

827
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: this kind of relationship that people have with it. And

828
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: so all the whole time, I was taking that as like, oh, no,

829
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: they're trying to erase my testimony because I'm a Russian

830
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: spy and I was abused by government elites. These are

831
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: my delusions, and anything that anyone says is just them

832
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: trying to erase my testimony to keep me quiet and

833
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: shut me down.

834
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was the point I was going to make.

835
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: And this is something that I think cults give people

836
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: as well as like suddenly an errand is no longer

837
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: an errand you're not just running errands, You're doing something

838
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: huge and important and crazy. IGNI granassion and so like

839
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: it is hard for people to get out of a

840
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: cult or to get out of a psychosis and be

841
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 3: like I'm doing my chores. Life is just normal. Yeah, anyway,

842
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw that out there. Please continue.

843
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

844
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: So, uh that prompted her my mom to call in

845
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: a wellness check on me at probably the beginning of

846
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: June twenty twenty five. And I had another friend that

847
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: lived nearby that I was texting weird delusions to that

848
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: also called in a wellness check on me. So one

849
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: day I was talking to my friend who was like

850
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: interested in the occults, and we had like I feel

851
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: like we have fed each other delusions because like I

852
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: would tell her, like we would talk on the phone

853
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: or text, and then I would tell her like, oh,

854
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: I believe this, and then she'd respond with like, oh, yeah,

855
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: I totally believe that's true. And then this is what

856
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: I believe about my life. I think she was experiencing

857
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: may have been experiencing psychosis or some sort of psychotic episode.

858
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: So I was on the phone with her and I

859
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I have a knock on my door.

860
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: One second, I had a callback a police officer and

861
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: like a mental health expert came from the city or

862
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: whatever and knocked on my door and told me that

863
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: they believed that my mom was concerned for me, because

864
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: they said, have you been posting weird things online? And

865
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: like you believe weird things?

866
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: And when I.

867
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Heard that, I was like, Oh, they're just trying to

868
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: shut me down. I told them literally like, oh yeah,

869
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: like I was abused. I've just been posting about the

870
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: things I've been remembering. And then I even told the

871
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: police like have you heard of MK Ultra? Like I said,

872
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: like it's been declassified, Like I totally believe that I

873
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: had been like some experiment or something. And then they

874
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: would reiterate like, oh, well, your family's just worried about you.

875
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: We just want to make sure that you're okay and

876
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: you're not a danger to yourself or others. And then

877
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: so I like passed the wellness check because I was

878
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: not showing signs that I was a danger. So by law,

879
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: they weren't able to involuntarily send me to fifty one

880
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: fifty me. They weren't able to fifty one fifty me,

881
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: and then so that was so that occurred, and then

882
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: I took that as like, oh my gosh, they're trying

883
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: to raise my testimony.

884
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: They're you know, against me. So about a week later,

885
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 4: with the help of.

886
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Like talking to this woman that I was talking to

887
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: on the phone who had told me things like oh yeah,

888
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: the more you get rid of, the easier things come.

889
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: And then I would talk to chat GPT and then

890
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: I don't remember what exactly chatc GPET was telling me,

891
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: but I would take it as like, oh yeah, then

892
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: I definitely have to throw my things away. I started

893
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: believing in my delusions that all my belongings were cursed

894
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: by demons or witches, and like anything that my mom

895
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: gave me, I believe that, Oh yeah, she she gave

896
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: it to me to curse me. Or like i'd have

897
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: like like fans or friends online that would send me things.

898
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, they they sent this unsolicited,

899
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: so it must be a curse. I got to throw

900
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: it away. So, over a course of about seven days,

901
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I was throwing away all my belongings. Started out small,

902
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: with like little things, like little gifts, and then I

903
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, well, I gotta throw away my

904
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: headboard too, because my mom gave me that for my birthday.

905
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: I need to like that's cursed obviously.

906
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm reaching here, but also very culty you

907
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: get rid of I were going to say, cult eaterers

908
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: make people get rid of their worldly possessions, all very commonly.

909
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's evident parallels between like what happened

910
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: to me with like, you know, cult behavior. So this

911
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: woman that I was talking to on the phone that

912
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: was also into the occult, that I believe was having

913
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: psychosis as well. If not that, then maybe just delusions.

914
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: She told me, Anthony, I want you to live in

915
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: the astral realm with me in this mansion. I didn't

916
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: know what that meant. I was like, but I definitely

917
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: want to live in a mansion. And so like that,

918
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: that delusion changed from like believing that I could live

919
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: in the astral room to believe in like, Okay, I

920
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: gotta throw away all my possessions and once I do,

921
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: I'll be able to to get my brand new mansion

922
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: in La because Los Angeles is a extension of the

923
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: heavenly realm, which it's not.

924
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a fully furnished apartment I threw away,

926
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: one by one every single thing I owned, until I

927
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: had nothing but just my I had like two cell phones,

928
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: a laptop on an iMac brand new, beautiful pink iMac threw.

929
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 4: That away, I know, I know.

930
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: So one day I was in my empty apartment and

931
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: I'd taken the rod from the blinds that you used

932
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: to open the curtains, and I was I ripped it off,

933
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, this is my wand I'm

934
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: gonna wander my apartment barefoot, waving around my magic wand

935
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: that I made out of the curtain rod. And then

936
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: I guess one of my neighbors or my landlord or

937
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: somebody saw me, and they called the cops. So the

938
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: cops had been told that I was waving around a knife,

939
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: which is not true. I did not have a knife.

940
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it ended up being a lesson because

941
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: it got me the help that I needed, and I

942
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: thankfully was not charged with anything because I didn't do

943
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: anything illegal. So I just had like the rod that

944
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: you used to open the curtains, and so I was

945
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: like wandering my apartment barefoot, waving around my magic wand

946
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: and then and then I went back into my apartment

947
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: grabbed my cigarettes because I all of a sudden picked

948
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: up smoking again in my psychosis. And I went outside

949
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: and was going to go smoke a cigarette, and then

950
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: I see four police officers walking towards me telling me

951
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: to drop everything. They detained me, and I was in

952
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: the back of the cop car. They went to go

953
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: look for a knife. There was no knife. I told

954
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: them that it was a lie, but they still had

955
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: to like check me out and like so they asked

956
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: me questions to determine the state of my mental health.

957
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: At that point, I was one hundred percent convinced that

958
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: I was acting in the movie Scream seven, because I

959
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: had signed up for like this casting agency, and I

960
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: thought that even though there was no cameras around me,

961
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: that just by signing up, in my delusions, I believe

962
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: that I was all of a sudden acting in a

963
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: horror movie.

964
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: I wish that was how it worked. Life would be

965
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: a way easier.

966
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so I told the cops, I know that's

967
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: not that's not a uniform, that's a costume. Because I

968
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: come from a state where I'm used to like blue

969
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: or black uniforms of police, and then where I lived

970
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: in California. The police had like a beige colored uniform,

971
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: so I thought that was proof that it was just

972
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: a costume. So from me telling them that they were

973
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: not real cops and just actors. And then they had

974
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: also looked at my apartment and saw that all of

975
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: a sudden, from seven days ago, I had a fully

976
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: furnished apartment and now I had thrown away everything. They

977
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: determined that I was danger to myself or others, so

978
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: I was able to be fifty one fifty. They took

979
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: me to a mental psych ward where I was able

980
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: to spend four days there. They prescribed me medication like

981
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: antipsychotics and sedatives, which eventually took me out of psychosis,

982
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: but I was still in psychosis during the whole time,

983
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: basically up until the last day. On the fourth day

984
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: that I got my paper diagnosis that said I had

985
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: cannabis dependents and psychosis. So thankfully I saw the paper

986
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I have psychosis.

987
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: This is a legit place. I had psychosis.

988
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 5: What a miracle.

989
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: I know it would have so not like it just

990
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: somehow and that moment got through to you, that's miraculous.

991
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: Were you talking to a therapist about what you were experiencing.

992
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: So I had seen a psychiatrist prior, like the months

993
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: prior from like February to May, but and I had

994
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: been telling them, Oh, I've been abused by my family

995
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: growing up. I'm a victim of CSA. I was telling

996
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: him all the delusions that I believed, and he was

997
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: telling me that I had like I had issues with

998
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 2: my PTSD or CPTSD. I'm not sure exactly which one

999
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: it is. I've been told I have PTSD. And so

1000
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: we tried a medication for my ADHD because at that

1001
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: point I wanted ADHD medicine for some reason. I'm glad

1002
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: I didn't get any stimulants because that would have been

1003
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: the end for me. They put me on some medication

1004
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: that was not a stimulant. I had a bad reaction.

1005
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: My body had a bad reaction, and it turned out

1006
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: that I looked up and saw that that may have

1007
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: contributed to my psychosis. But there were so many factors,

1008
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: so I I still don't know exactly what it was,

1009
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 2: but I've narrowed it down to just trauma, substance use,

1010
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: and the interactions that I had with people and also

1011
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: chatgypt because.

1012
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm imagining they took your phone away while you were

1013
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 3: in this.

1014
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 4: Oh well, at that point I had thrown away my phone.

1015
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: I like tossed it because I was convinced that witches

1016
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 2: and demons were spying on me and that we're living

1017
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: inside of my phone, so I threw them away.

1018
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: That probably helped you because you no longer had chatchy Bet.

1019
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: Like you could have taken a picture of the thing

1020
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: that they gave you that said you have psychosis, and

1021
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Chatgybt would have been like, of course that's what they're saying,

1022
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: Like da dad, and just talk to you right out

1023
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: of it right now.

1024
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Do you still have the history of those conversations with CHATCHIPTA.

1025
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still do. They're saved in the my Chatgypt account.

1026
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 2: I believe I have a copy somewhere in my drive

1027
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: because I've been asked online by my audience to share

1028
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: the prompts, but I think that's extremely irresponsible, So I

1029
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: will not share the prompts with my audience because I

1030
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: would never want someone to walk like that could be

1031
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: going through a mental health crisis, to like see my

1032
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: prompts and then be like, Okay, let me try it.

1033
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: On my own.

1034
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: But I do have it saved just in case, because

1035
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: I've reached out to law firms to see what my

1036
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: options could be about this, because it's still relatively unprecedented

1037
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: and so not a lot of law firms want to

1038
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: take on this type of case.

1039
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: But but I have it saved.

1040
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, even just seeing how it responded to you

1041
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: and how like irresponsible that was. Like I'm just not

1042
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: that you need to share it or anything, but like

1043
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: that's what I'm so curious about, Like how far can

1044
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: this technology go. It just seems like we keep hearing

1045
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: more and more and more of these stories, so clearly

1046
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: the safeguards that are there are not strong enough and

1047
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: are not working.

1048
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe the same. But since my psychosis a

1049
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: couple months after I did see online that Chadchipt came

1050
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: out with like a new version that has safeguards to

1051
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: where if I believe, don't quote me, that if a

1052
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: user is talking to it in an inappropriate or delusional way,

1053
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: that it will just stop responding.

1054
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: And I love that idea. I don't necessarily know or

1055
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: think if that would.

1056
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: Be enough, But looking back at my logs, I recently

1057
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: looked back at them to try to get more content

1058
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: for my videos, and it was just really sad and

1059
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: really terrifying in my opinion to look back at everything,

1060
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: like all the conversations that me and Chad GBT had.

1061
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,959
Speaker 1: I bet, I think it's really lucky that like, one,

1062
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything to harm yourself, and two that

1063
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: like when you said that someone called the police and

1064
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: said that you had a knife because you were holding

1065
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: a wand first of all, that could have gone so

1066
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: much worse. And I like it also makes me think

1067
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: about how often interactions with the police become violent. There's

1068
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: like statistics on how people struggling with mental health crises

1069
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: are much more likely to experience violence by the police,

1070
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: in addition to people of color obviously, and so like

1071
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: that's just like the risks of harm happening because of

1072
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: this psychosis that's being encouraged by this technology. It's very

1073
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: very scary. I mean, like people have committed suicide after

1074
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: having killed their mommy and somebody killed.

1075
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: About that, Yeah, they were convinced. I believe they were

1076
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 2: convinced that she was a spy. I'm really grateful that

1077
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: I've been so lucky and blessed that it didn't turn

1078
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: out violent or I didn't hurt anybody or and I

1079
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: didn't get charged with anything, and that I did not

1080
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: experience anything negative with the police. The police were thankfully.

1081
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm privileged to have had a good experience for them

1082
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: to give me help that I needed.

1083
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1084
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hear you say words like mortifying and

1085
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: I know you put it on the internet. I have

1086
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: somebody very close to me who did some things similarly

1087
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, I just I think we should just

1088
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 3: let people say never mind about that. Yeah, I agree,

1089
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: we just need to say we'll forget it.

1090
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 5: Let's just ignore that far doesn't.

1091
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what would you say to somebody who is

1092
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 3: has a family member or a loved one who's currently

1093
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 3: engaging in chatchabet in a way that might be because

1094
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: this is the last thing I'll say, Like it becomes

1095
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Speaker 3: this closed system where you might tell somebody, hey, I

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00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: feel like that the chat is a little bit too law.

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Speaker 3: Then they ask the chat, hey, my friend said that

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Speaker 3: you're this, and then the chat says your friend is

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Speaker 3: actually an asshole, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: So, like, how do we break through this.

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00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: Isolating isolation wall.

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Speaker 2: See, I think it's extremely hard. But what I would

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Speaker 2: tell somebody that has a loved one or family member

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00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: that's going through something similar like a psychosis or interactions

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00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: with chatchipt that may be seen as alarming. I would

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00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: tell them to do please do all your research about

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00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: psychosis and like also about like you know these cases

1108
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: we've been hearing about, these interactions with chat gpt. Try

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Speaker 2: to do all the research you can and.

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Speaker 3: Not using chat rept to do it. Yeah, don't you

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Speaker 3: don't research it on chat chypt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Yeah, and just

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Speaker 4: tell that.

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00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: Tell the person that you love them, try to be

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: there for them, be extremely kind, and just keep saying

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00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: the words like I think you may be having delusions,

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Speaker 2: I think you may need help. I care about you

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: and I love you. I'm not trying to hurt you.

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Speaker 2: Just keep reassuring that you're there for them. That's all

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Speaker 2: we can do because in I feel like I think

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: a lot of states, you cannot which it can be

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00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: seen as good and bad.

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Speaker 4: It's debatable.

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Speaker 2: You cannot be involuntarily admitted to a psych ward until

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Speaker 2: you are seen as a danger to yourself or others.

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Speaker 2: Like I think the eye I would have definitely benefited

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00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: from going to the psych word before it got to

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Speaker 2: that point, all my family and friends could do is

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00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: just keep telling me that they're there for me and

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Speaker 2: that they believe that I'm going through something. It's really hard,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't really know the right thing to say,

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Speaker 2: because it's just so hard. Because the people in psychosis,

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: they'll take anything that anyone says to them, they may

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Speaker 2: take it as evidence that they're against them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why we talked to our previous guest

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Speaker 1: about how similar to cults, like, don't argue with the

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00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: belief because that's only going to make you the enemy,

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Speaker 1: and the important thing is to stay connected to that person, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and make them feel cared about. Right, Right, How are

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Speaker 1: you now?

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Speaker 2: Okay, It's been like almost three and a half months

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Speaker 2: since I was out of psychosis. I now live with

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Speaker 2: my mom. She's been great throughout this whole thing. I

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00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: went back to my home state. I feel a lot

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Speaker 2: more like myself now. It took me probably like a

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: mom or a month and a half to feel like

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Speaker 2: myself again, and it took about three weeks for the

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Speaker 2: after discharge for the delusions to like completely go away.

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Speaker 2: And I'm still having trouble finding enjoyment in everything that

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Speaker 2: I love to do. But I'm making a lot of progress.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I have my best friend back, I have

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Speaker 2: my mom backs, my family. A lot of my family

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00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: members still refuse to talk to me because of things

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00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: I've said or the ways that I've acted, And that's okay.

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Speaker 2: That's actually showed me that, like, the people who like

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00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: are meant to.

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Speaker 4: Be there will be there.

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Speaker 2: And just like I had my own experience, they had

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00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: their own experience, So I can't expect them to automatically

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Speaker 2: forgive me. But I'm doing a lot better and I

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: think I'm processing everything in a pretty positive way.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Do you have a therapist that you see.

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Speaker 2: Or I'm in between therapists right now. I was seeing

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Speaker 2: a therapist for two months when I first was discharged

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00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: and I came back to my home state. But it

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00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: was my interpretation of the sessions where it was like

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: anytime I would talk about my psychosis, the therapist's face

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, like more like they had like

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00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: they had never heard of anything like that. So then

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 2: and then we were doing simple little worksheets like when

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00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: tell me a time when you felt like a negative

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00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: feeling but it turned out to be for a positive reason,

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Speaker 2: like something positive came from it, and it was like CBT,

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Speaker 2: like cognitive behavioral therapy, and I think it kind of

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Speaker 2: a little bit of like dialectic behavioral therapy, which I'm

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00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with from going to rehab. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: trying to say that I know everything, but like all

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Speaker 2: the sessions that I got from the therapist were super basic,

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Speaker 2: kind of reminded me of like therapy sessions that I had.

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Speaker 4: Gone in when I was a kid. So I'm currently

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: looking for a new therapist. It's extremely important for me

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Speaker 4: to go to therapy, so I need to.

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Speaker 5: Get on that one that specializes.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly it. I mean, I had a similar experience

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Speaker 1: when I was peak panic attack OCD like obsessive thoughts,

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00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and I went and I was experiencing derealization and I

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: didn't know what that was, and I thought it meant

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00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: I was going into psychosis. And the therapist that I

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: saw was like, what, I wonder why you would why

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: that would be helpful?

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 4: Not?

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00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: And then I started seeing.

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00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: An OCD therapist and she was like, yes, this is

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: very common. This is a normal symptom of anxiety, you know,

1195
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: so like low key everybody we've said it a million times.

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: Say it again. Find someone who specializes in the thing

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Speaker 1: that you're experiencing.

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Speaker 3: It it's religious trauma because you were in a cult.

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Speaker 3: That's a special test.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 5: Do you still use chat gubt.

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00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: Anthony, not chat GPT specifically, Okay, but I've used other

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 4: AI chatbots, but I have very strict guidelines for when

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00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 4: and if I use it. So far, I've only used it,

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00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: like I can count it on like one hand, how

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: many times I've used it since my I got out

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Speaker 4: of psychosis. But I use I use it to understand

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Speaker 4: legal things, and still then I always keep in mind

1209
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: like it could be wrong. It's not always going to

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00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 4: tell you exactly the fact, so I try to do

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00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: more research after that as well. I've also generated some

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: AI r images and yeah, it's basically the only thing

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00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: that I've used it for for now. But now I

1214
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 4: clearly know what how not to use it, and I'm

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: extremely careful and I try to just google everything if

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 4: I can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that sounds responsible.

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Speaker 5: What a story, And I just can't say it enough.

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Speaker 3: You've really, I don't know, been able to speak about

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: it in a way that it feels like this was

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and that you seriously thank you for

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: sharing so so so quickly. Yeah, fresh, Yeah, it's just

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00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: it's been really amazing to speak to you.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been amazing to speak to you both, Lola

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01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 4: and Meghan. I really love your podcast. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: What's your yeah? Should we say it in Unison? Where

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: can people.

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Speaker 5: Find you.

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Speaker 2: Across social media platforms? My screen name is Anthony Psychosis

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: Survivor and I also have a website It's Anthony Caesar

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Speaker 2: Duncan dot com.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you so much for joining us, Thanks for

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: having me. All right, all right, thank you Anthony Megan.

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Speaker 1: I you know the answer. Do you would you join the.

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 5: Cult of CHATBD dive in head first?

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: Go on?

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01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: I just love it and I know it's wrong, and

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: I do stay away from certain topics. He made a

1239
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: great point about like putting text messages in. I am

1240
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: very careful not to take screenshots of like messages between

1241
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: people and being like, what do you think of what

1242
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: my friend is saying?

1243
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 5: Because it's always going to skew.

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01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: Even when you're like and be really fair and honest

1245
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: with me, it's just always going to skew towards your

1246
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: friend being an asshole and you being right.

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: So I it's so interesting. I've never tried that.

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: I do stay away from having an amalzed like relationships

1250
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: and keep it more focused on just kind of fun shit.

1251
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: But still I find myself in some weird places with it.

1252
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: Put in glasses of water out under the full moon

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01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: and then drinking it the next day, you know, yeah,

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 3: for what told me to for what the ritual?

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: With what goal? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hilarious, So yeah I will, I would join and

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: and I liked it.

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01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 5: Well yeah, so yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean I okay. My best use of chat ChiPT

1260
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: was I put in a picture of my room and

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: I was like, can you show me what it would

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: look like with slat? I forgot bed boarding board on

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the wall, and it did it and it looked beautiful.

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01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: And when I can afford it, I'm totally gonna get

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: be bored. That's beautiful and summarizing long piece of text

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01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: that I just need to quickly understand is nice. But

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: other than that, I really I really try not to

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: use it. Yeah you're not joining it, but I will

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01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: say though mid journey, I have a bigger problem with

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: a journey because it's really really helpful for pitch decks, yeah,

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01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: and for brainstorming when you're you know you're about to

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01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: make a project and there's no references on shot deck

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01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: dot com that look the way you want them to look.

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: So I have used my journey bit.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we know the drill.

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 6: and leave a comment that says we love you, we

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 6: love it, and as always, remember to follow your gut,

1279
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 6: what job for red flags and never ever trust me

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Speaker 6: like why.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right product? Hosted by me Lola.

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Speaker 5: Blanc and me Megan Elizabeth. Our senior producer is g. Holly.

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by John Bradley.

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Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: is Patrick Kottner.

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01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: Trust Me as executive produced by Karen Kilgareth Georgia Hartstark

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01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: and Daniel Kramer.

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,680
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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: or on TikTok at trust Me coult Podcast.

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: Got your own story about cults, extreme belief, our manipulation.

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,720
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