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Speaker 2: It's our one hour two now on Thursday, Dan and

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Speaker 2: the Dan n'ce Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you

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Speaker 2: will join us coming up a little bit. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: hour one. At the end of our one we stumbled

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Speaker 2: upon something. One of the callers thought that I was

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Speaker 2: disparaging Larry Bird as a top ten player of all time.

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Speaker 2: I think that Larry and Magic should be, you know,

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Speaker 2: linked together forever. That you should have eleven players in

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Speaker 2: the top ten and that would be Larry and Magic

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Speaker 2: or together wherever you place them, if they're sixth or

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Speaker 2: seventh or eighth or ninth or tenth, that they're together.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not disparaging Larry's career at all. And I

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Speaker 2: have watched those videos that are on YouTube, and I

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Speaker 2: would encourage people who didn't believe it, don't believe it,

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Speaker 2: to at least, you know, take a look at what

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Speaker 2: Larry was able to do, you know, and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for a long period of time because of his back injury.

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Speaker 2: But I would hope to have Magic and Larry intertwined

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Speaker 2: for the rest of their careers, but you have to

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Speaker 2: be fair to a new generation. Does Joker get into

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Speaker 2: the top ten at some point, Let's say there's another MVP.

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Speaker 2: Let's say there's two more MVPs. Now you got five.

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Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, you're you know, you're approaching

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan territory. Just to be fair, if Steph Curry

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Speaker 2: would win a championship, okay, does that change anything? And

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Speaker 2: we tend to look at this list, and you know,

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Speaker 2: everybody puts Bill Russell in there, the ultimate team winner,

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Speaker 2: but Wilt Chamberlain, who was Babe Ruth. Sometimes people forget

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Speaker 2: just how great he was.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: Tim Duncan a top ten player, Karl Malone won a

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Speaker 2: couple MVPs but didn't win a title. Is he in there?

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Speaker 2: Shaq Kobe? I mean, run down the list of great players.

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Speaker 2: But in no way do I disparage or think that

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Speaker 2: Larry is not a top ten player. Because if you

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Speaker 2: said I could have Lebron or Larry at the peak

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Speaker 2: of their career, I'm taking Larry, you know, And I

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Speaker 2: got to cover both of these careers. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I love the sport, appreciate the sport, the history of

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Speaker 2: the sport. I want to be fair to those who

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Speaker 2: came before and those who are going to come after.

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Speaker 2: And so if there was any misconception with that, because

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Speaker 2: I brought it up with Steven Jackson that you know,

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Speaker 2: are you prepared? Larry Bird falls out of the top ten.

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Speaker 2: And as blasphemous as that might sound, I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: to be a realist with this, all right. Eight seven

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Speaker 2: comedian David Spade. He's got a new stand up special.

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Speaker 2: He'll join us coming up a little bit later. On

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Speaker 2: Pacers Nix, Nicks are favored by four in game five.

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Speaker 2: If you're the Pacers, can you continue to do what

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Speaker 2: you're doing? And what they what they want to do

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Speaker 2: is you know, I mean in contrasting styles, The Knicks,

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Speaker 2: you know, want to be a half court team. The

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Speaker 2: Pacers want to run. You can you run? Well? It

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Speaker 2: helps if you rebound and that sometimes overlooked. If they

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Speaker 2: can run them and force Thibodeau to go to his

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the Pacers want to do. Put

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Speaker 2: pressure Brunson, try to you know, get him in foul troubles.

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Speaker 2: They did before. But these games have been really close

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Speaker 2: when you think about it. I mean, it's not one

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Speaker 2: win in six. They've been they've been really close, competitive games.

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Speaker 2: As for OKAC in Minnesota, not good, especially with being dominated.

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Speaker 2: This is a game. You got to show up now.

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Speaker 2: Granted you're not going to win the series, but you can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's early to mail it in when you

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Speaker 2: get nine points in the first quarter. OKC dominated uh.

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Speaker 2: And you know that's one of those where you probably

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Speaker 2: have great leadership from your coach who says, let's just

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Speaker 2: win this. But Anthony Edwards, he was getting a lot

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Speaker 2: And here's his head coach, Chris Finch on what Anthony

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Speaker 4: He's got to learn to play against that physicality and

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Speaker 4: I thought for a lot of the series he did

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Speaker 4: to him all the time. Yeah, we need him to

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think we were never able to establish something consistent

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, and coach taking a little heat there,

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Speaker 2: take a little heat off Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards has

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Speaker 2: got to add to his arsenal here, and great players

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Speaker 2: do that every single year. Great players would add something else.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have god given ability. That's not enough.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of players. John Moran has God given ability.

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Speaker 2: But you got to want this. How important is this?

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Speaker 2: And I don't get caught up in he doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to be the face of the league. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, but be great. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you want to be up there, be a superstar, because

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Speaker 2: he does have a lot of those charismatic traits where

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Speaker 2: those are all exciting things. But he didn't do what

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Speaker 2: SGA did SGA took care of business. He didn't. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's no style points, there's nothing. He just plays scores.

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Speaker 2: Team is really really good and that's why they move

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Speaker 2: on again. But Anthony Edwards. This was a conversation recently,

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Speaker 2: oh and we've had it on the show with some

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Speaker 2: of the analysts. Would you take Anthony Edwards or Luca.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody took Anthony Edwards, and I'm like, Luca

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Speaker 2: took his team to the NBA finals. I think we

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Speaker 2: tend to look at Luca and go, yeah, he's out

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Speaker 2: he still took his team to the NBA Finals. And

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Speaker 2: I would still take Luca over Anthony Edwards right now

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Speaker 2: because I've seen it and Anthony Edwards can be that,

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Speaker 2: but he has to want to be that. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to be the face of the league, but you

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Speaker 2: have to want to be great. And I think he's

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Speaker 2: just part of the all curiosity team where you're like, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how good he's going to be, but

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Speaker 2: a ton of potential there. Yes, Marvin, but I.

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Speaker 6: Don't think it's really against Anthony Edwards more so than

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Speaker 6: giving the Oklahoma City Thunder credit as far as the

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Speaker 6: Joker Lebron during So I can't say he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to be great. He just ran up against a team

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't mind if you forced the action because

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Speaker 2: he said, hey, I didn't struggle. You know, they were

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Speaker 2: playing great defense, and they were. But I mean, how

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Speaker 2: many great players go up against great defenses. I mean

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Speaker 2: they're all geared to stop great players. That's what makes

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Speaker 2: you great when you all of a sudden somehow figure

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Speaker 7: See, that's the one of the differences between a great

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Speaker 7: had a good series up until then, but then he

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Speaker 7: couldn't figure this out. There's great versus very good.

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Speaker 2: And once again I think we the media are doing

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Speaker 2: in their style of play, because there's nothing interesting about that.

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Speaker 2: It's not fair to OKAC. They played great defense, best

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Speaker 2: When you're promoting the OKC Indiana Pacers NBA Finals, tune

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Speaker 2: You know, you still have people. Steven A had something

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Speaker 2: to say about Tyrese Haliburton not being a superstar like

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Speaker 2: I okay, I don't know what everybody's definition is. All

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Speaker 2: I know is Tyrese Halliburton is on the uptick and

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Speaker 8: Yes, Pauline, and we should love Oklahoma City because all

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Speaker 8: people do is complain that, oh, the NBA, they don't

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Speaker 8: play any defense, and all they do is jack threes.

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Speaker 8: The Thunder lead with defense and their best player, their MVP,

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Speaker 8: love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I love the styles that that's

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Speaker 2: what makes a great boxing match when you have contrasting styles,

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Speaker 2: And that might be what we're headed towards with the

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Speaker 2: scale tempo. Yes, Mark, And.

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Speaker 6: About five or six years ago people were complaining about

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Speaker 6: teams that is playing the right way, sharing the ball,

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Speaker 6: playing great defense. Oh, nobody wants to watch this? Which

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Speaker 6: one is it?

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Speaker 2: I think deep down we want to watch super teams.

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Speaker 2: you want to tune in and go who's playing? I

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Speaker 2: don't know who's playing? All Lebron's and d Wade and

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Speaker 2: Chris Bosher playing and they're going against the Celtics. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: See, it does feel like the super team era has

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Speaker 2: Yes. Brian Windhors talked about that recently with us when

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Speaker 2: he said, really the model now is two great players

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Speaker 2: but two, and then you build your roster because financially

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Speaker 2: you can't have three. I mean, if you do, then

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Speaker 2: you're really limited in the players that you can add.

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Speaker 2: All right, poll question for hour two Seaton. Do we

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Speaker 2: have one?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we just got one here from Paul That's interesting.

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Speaker 7: Which is better nowadays or the old days.

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Speaker 9: Blanket statement, Oh gosh, well, I'm gonna go the old days,

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Speaker 9: you know, gonna opt for the old the good old days.

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Speaker 2: That's why they're called the good old days. Yeah, Seeton.

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Speaker 7: Which is funny because if you go back to the

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Speaker 7: good old days when they were nowadays or nowadays, and

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Speaker 7: you ask that same question, people would say the old

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Speaker 7: days compared to them too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll always just.

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Speaker 7: Go back to like, ah, and I was way better then.

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Speaker 2: And it turns out so if I go back to

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Speaker 2: better than this. I don't know, you know, back back

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Speaker 2: in the sixties, I remember, yes, todd.

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Speaker 10: Are the old days also better? In some ways?

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Speaker 5: Because of now we have the oversaturation of games all

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Speaker 5: in general, Well, you'd look forward to that game of

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Speaker 11: Hi, guys. I was just wanted to kind of follow

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Speaker 3: A less Lamber comes to the ball in eighty seven,

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Speaker 2: I agree. I agree, Isaiah's one of the more overlooked

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Speaker 2: you know, he's not a top ten player. They did

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Speaker 2: have a great run. I mean, that's the fun part

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Speaker 2: Celtics and Michael as well. But yes, Martin, and.

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Speaker 6: If Isaiah Thomas doesn't exist, Michael Jordan might have eight rings.

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Speaker 6: H Okay, it was in the conference finals with eighty

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Speaker 6: They beat the Portland Trail Blazers, And that whole Gold

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Speaker 2: Do you think that there will ever be somebody who

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Speaker 6: Just a complete combination of just will, determination, skill, fundamentals, athleticism, everything, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: PAULI, Yeah, it's almos like there's not even a basketball

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Speaker 8: way to do it, Like you don't you could have

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Speaker 2: Hi Steve, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 14: Hey mister Patrick, congratulations on the birth of your grandchild.

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Speaker 14: And I just wanted to rewind a little bit to

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Speaker 2: Right back to basketball, Tim Legler, ESPN, NBA analyst and

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Speaker 16: I can see in terms of general consensus, I might

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Speaker 2: So just seeing him play basketball gave you hope that

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Speaker 15: That was like the goal. But it wasn't just like that.

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Speaker 16: It was his style of play, their style of play

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Speaker 16: really think, that's the beauty of basketball when it's played

433
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Speaker 16: the right way.

434
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Speaker 15: It looks like that.

435
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Speaker 16: And that's why I started to fall in love with it,

436
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Speaker 16: became obsessed with it, and the rest is kind of history.

437
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Speaker 16: Like what I did with end up doing with my life.

438
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Speaker 16: You're talking about forty five years now. Basketball has been

439
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Speaker 16: the center of my life, everything I've built.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think Larry Bird in person?

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Speaker 16: I never thanked him in person. I did have one

442
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Speaker 16: very cool moment with him. He won't remember it, but

443
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Speaker 16: of course I'm not going to forget it. It was

444
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Speaker 16: shooting around preseason game. I never really caught Larry Bird

445
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Speaker 16: as a player because he was finishing up, he had

446
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Speaker 16: back problems, he was about to retire. And I was

447
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Speaker 16: on the court alone, just he and I opposite ends

448
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Speaker 16: of the floor, shooting before a preseason game. I think

449
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Speaker 16: it was in Hartford, Connecticut. If I am not mistaken,

450
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Speaker 16: and I'm like, that's Larry Bird down, then we're only

451
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Speaker 16: two out there because he went out early. I used

452
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Speaker 16: to go out early. We're out there shooting. At one point,

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Speaker 16: I kind of drifted to the other end, so we

454
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Speaker 16: were shooting on the same end of the court, just

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Speaker 16: us and some ball boys, and uh we shot for

456
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Speaker 16: a while and I was, you know, I was making them.

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Speaker 16: He was making over both good shooters. And then he

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Speaker 16: finished and he walked past me. And as he was

459
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Speaker 16: walking past me to go to the tunnel to leave

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Speaker 16: the court, he just without even looking at me or

461
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Speaker 16: changing the direction of his head. He just said nice shooting,

462
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Speaker 16: and he just kept walking and then validated my life.

463
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Speaker 15: That was all I needed to hear.

464
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Speaker 16: I probably should have just quit right then and just like, hey,

465
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Speaker 16: that's all I needed.

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Speaker 15: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Watching, Okay, see with shake gildgos Alley. He he's a

468
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Speaker 2: great player of the MVP, but like, how would you

469
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Speaker 2: describe his style if somebody didn't see him play, because

470
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Speaker 2: he doesn't play like the typical very good, great NBA player.

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Speaker 15: I'd listen.

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Speaker 16: I think the thing that separates him dan is I

473
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Speaker 16: personally have never seen a guard, or only any player.

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Speaker 15: In this league.

475
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Speaker 16: Maybe Dirk would be a guy that operated that area

476
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Speaker 16: of the floor, but he wasn't really doing it as

477
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Speaker 16: much off the dribble as he was just with his

478
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Speaker 16: length and his shooting. No guard has ever literally dominated

479
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Speaker 16: that area of the floor. Basically, if you drew a

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Speaker 16: line on the baseline straight up each side of the

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Speaker 16: lane all the way to half court, so like an

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Speaker 16: area of the width of the lane extending from the

483
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Speaker 16: baseline to half court, and that's the area of the

484
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Speaker 16: floor that he wants operating, and that's where the most

485
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Speaker 16: traffic is on the floor, and yet that's where he

486
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Speaker 16: always tries to get back to. Now, he obviously can

487
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Speaker 16: make shots going you know, to the right wing, left wing,

488
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Speaker 16: wherever he has to if he gets pushed that way

489
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Speaker 16: for that mid range shot, But his favorite place on

490
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Speaker 16: the court is the area that's got the most traffic

491
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Speaker 16: for a guy his size, For a guard to shoot

492
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Speaker 16: the ball the areas he does with that level of efficiency,

493
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Speaker 16: We've really never seen anything quite like that. He's just

494
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Speaker 16: an absolute raw scoring machine. And the more you talk

495
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Speaker 16: to guys around the league, are that are great defenders.

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Speaker 15: The answer of who's the toughest.

497
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Speaker 16: Guy you've had to guard or have to guard currently,

498
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Speaker 16: his name typically is the first one that's going to

499
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Speaker 16: roll off people's tongues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you start to get to that

501
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Speaker 2: Jordan comparisons of scoring. Now, I'm not talking how Mike scored,

502
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Speaker 2: but the Mike won how many scoring titles like it

503
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Speaker 2: was a foregone conclusion and I don't see any reason

504
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Speaker 2: why SGA shouldn't be able to continue to be that

505
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Speaker 2: thirty plus point scorer for quite some time. But I

506
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Speaker 2: did want to ask you about if you were going

507
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Speaker 2: to talk to Anthony Edwards. What would you tell him

508
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Speaker 2: he has to do improve upon?

509
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Speaker 16: Well, I think one of the things I think, first

510
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Speaker 16: of all this has nothing to do with him, is

511
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Speaker 16: let me start with this. They need to address their

512
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Speaker 16: lead guard position. I love Mike Conley. Mike Conley's been

513
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Speaker 16: one of my favorite players in the NBA his entire career.

514
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Speaker 15: Just a huge fan of his.

515
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Speaker 16: He's a leader, he's tough, he's great in Memphis, but

516
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Speaker 16: he's at the stage of his career he's not going

517
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Speaker 16: to generate any additional offense for people, and I think

518
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Speaker 16: some of that needs to be taken off the plate

519
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Speaker 16: of Anthony Edwards. Let's start with that, because that will

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Speaker 16: lead into the point of your question. I think Anthony

521
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Speaker 16: Edwards needs to understand that there can't be moments of

522
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Speaker 16: games where he feels his way out he feels the game.

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Speaker 15: That's not what he needs to do.

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Speaker 16: He needs to come out and have a Jordan like approach,

525
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Speaker 16: a Kobe like approach. I think he's got the athletic ability,

526
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Speaker 16: the explosiveness, the all around scoring game to do it.

527
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Speaker 16: I think because so much of the other responsibility of

528
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Speaker 16: being a playmaker has been put on his plate, he

529
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Speaker 16: morphs between the two and that's not who he is

530
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Speaker 16: at his core. So part of it's on the team.

531
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Speaker 16: They've got to address that. And if they can find that,

532
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Speaker 16: then Anthony Edwards could just go be what you need

533
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Speaker 16: to be, which is a just an absolute tenacious, attacking,

534
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Speaker 16: relentless scorer. And that doesn't mean you know, you have

535
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Speaker 16: to shoot the ball every time down the floor, but

536
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Speaker 16: it means everything is about putting pressure on the defense.

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Speaker 15: Look to bring Jordan again in reference of that.

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Speaker 16: I go to Jordan a number of times in my

539
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Speaker 16: career and just watching him throughout his career, he's the

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Speaker 16: only guy I ever saw that.

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Speaker 15: Every single time he caught it, it was go time.

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Speaker 16: Every time he touched the ball, he wanted to go

543
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Speaker 16: on you and Anthony Edwards, I think because he doesn't

544
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Speaker 16: have that taken off of his plate to go create

545
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Speaker 16: offense all these guys And I'm not saying you're not

546
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Speaker 16: going to ge assisted organically, that'll call by being aggressive,

547
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Speaker 16: but I think he sometimes goes to these periods of

548
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 16: time where he's like, Okay, let me try to get

549
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 16: other guys involved or feel my way around the court,

550
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Speaker 16: and that's just not to me.

551
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Speaker 15: Who he is and who he needs to be at.

552
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Speaker 2: His best talking to Tim Legler of The Mothership covering

553
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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, also his podcast, All City NBA Podcast.

554
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: What do people learn when they go to that podcast?

555
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Speaker 16: I just think Dan, I think it's a little bit

556
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Speaker 16: different than a lot of what's out there. It's not

557
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 16: a hot take thing. Adam Morez is my partner and

558
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 16: hosts the show. He's based in Denver and he is

559
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 16: heavily tied into the Nuggets, but he covers all sports

560
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 16: in Denver. But we're just a serious hoop talk four

561
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 16: times a week, an hour an hour at a time.

562
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Speaker 16: We're breaking down the games that happened last night, previewing

563
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Speaker 16: the games.

564
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Speaker 15: From tonight, and it's just real basketball analysis. We're a

565
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Speaker 15: hoop junkie. Just like talking about the game of what

566
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Speaker 15: you watched last.

567
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Speaker 16: Night, you want to learn more about it a little

568
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Speaker 16: bit smarter when you watch the game tonight. That's that's

569
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Speaker 16: what that is. It's not hot take trying to get clicks.

570
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 16: We're just two guys breaking down the game because we

571
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Speaker 16: love hoops.

572
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Speaker 15: So that's if that's your thing, that's the place you

573
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Speaker 15: want to go.

574
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Speaker 16: Because I think it's it's done about as high a

575
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Speaker 16: level as it can be done.

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Speaker 15: Because Adam is so knowledgeable himself.

577
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Speaker 2: Why is Michael Jordan joining TV NBC in their coverage

578
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Speaker 2: of the NBA.

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Speaker 15: That's a good question. Who knows. I don't know what

580
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Speaker 15: they offered him. Has that been has that been reported?

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Speaker 2: Maybe that let's say they gave him a Tom Brady deal.

582
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Speaker 2: Let's say they gave him thirty million, thirty five, Like,

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Speaker 2: what does that matter to Jordan? Like, you know, he's

584
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Speaker 2: a billion A couple of times over.

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Speaker 15: I completely agree with you. I was making really a

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Speaker 15: joke about that. But I don't know. I don't really

587
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Speaker 15: know why he would want to. It's like, it's not

588
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Speaker 15: high stress. Let's start with that.

589
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Speaker 16: You're not asking him to go run a team or.

590
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Speaker 15: Coach a team. It's not I stress what we do.

591
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Speaker 16: I mean, he's got to be careful with your words

592
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 16: sometimes because you could end your career if you're not careful.

593
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Speaker 16: That's about the highest stress you have. It's just sitting

594
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Speaker 16: down and talking about basketball. So I think from that standpoint,

595
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 16: maybe he wants to feel a little bit more connected

596
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Speaker 16: to the game now that he's not, you know, involved

597
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Speaker 16: with ownership and it's just a different life for him.

598
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Speaker 16: Who knows, maybe he just misses his connection to the game,

599
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Speaker 16: and it's a way to stay relevant and a way

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Speaker 16: to just impart some knowledge about the way he views things,

601
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Speaker 16: because we've never really heard from him in this regard,

602
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Speaker 16: so I'm going to be very interested to hear what

603
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Speaker 16: he has to say. I have no doubt he's going

604
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Speaker 16: to be highly critical at all point when.

605
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Speaker 15: He needs to be.

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Speaker 2: How big a month is Tyrese Haliburton head?

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Speaker 16: Look, I said the other night that I looked it

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Speaker 16: up because I wasn't sure. Do you know what Dan,

609
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Speaker 16: off the top of your head with the perfect QBR

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Speaker 16: rating is for a quarterback?

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Speaker 2: It's what one fifty eight point three?

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Speaker 3: Bang?

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Speaker 16: Good job, that's excellent. Yes, I didn't know that. I'm

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Speaker 16: a huge NFL fame. I know the exact number. I

615
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Speaker 16: looked it up. That's what Tire's Halliburton pitched on Tuesday.

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Speaker 16: I mean, that's what he threw on Tuesday. He played

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Speaker 16: the position perfectly. If you really want to find a

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Speaker 16: teaching tape for how to play point guard in the

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Speaker 16: NBA at the highest level, that was Tuesday night. Thirty

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Speaker 16: plus points, fifteen assists, zero turnovers, double digit rebounds, four steals,

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Speaker 16: and constant tempo, constant tempo. He put a lot on himself.

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Speaker 16: And the previous game they lost, they bogged down in

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Speaker 16: the fourth quarter. I allowed the Knicks to win that

624
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Speaker 16: game and get it to two to one and made

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Speaker 16: it a series. And he put it on himself, and

626
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Speaker 16: he answered the bell, and it started from the very

627
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Speaker 16: first possession. Compared him to a Formula One car or

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Speaker 16: a driver and had his foot taped with the gas

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Speaker 16: pedal down.

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Speaker 15: To the floor.

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Speaker 16: He didn't tap the brakes once and as a result,

632
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Speaker 16: Indiana played to their identity.

633
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Speaker 15: So this guy has now had It's not just.

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Speaker 16: A month, man, it's a been about three or four months.

635
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Speaker 16: Very little to scrutinize. And I thought the first half

636
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Speaker 16: of the season he's a little bit up and down.

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Speaker 16: I actually described him one time, maybe back in November,

638
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Speaker 16: as his floor being too low to be considered a superstar.

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Speaker 16: Meeting on those nights when he's quiet or passive or

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Speaker 16: doesn't impact the game.

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Speaker 15: You can't have like a six point night.

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Speaker 16: You can't have one of those games where you just

643
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Speaker 16: kind of aren't noticed, not if you're on that level

644
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Speaker 16: and over the last three months or so, plus whatever

645
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Speaker 16: the playoffs had been to this point, you know, two

646
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Speaker 16: plus rounds.

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Speaker 15: He has been that every single night.

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Speaker 16: So he's elevated his status because of his consistency with

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Speaker 16: which he is doing it.

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Speaker 2: Do you realize Jason Kidd had a quadruple double and

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Speaker 2: so points, rebounds, assist and turnovers.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he's had the most turnovers in a game

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Speaker 2: in NBA history. I think what fifteen?

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Speaker 15: It's listen, it's incredible.

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Speaker 16: I mean Tyres Haliburton led the NBA for starting point

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Speaker 16: guards for guys that played a lot of minutes in

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Speaker 16: assist the turnover ratio. Okay, it was over five a game.

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Speaker 16: He's over seven a game in this series. He's got

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Speaker 16: forty four assists, six turnovers against a team that's got

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Speaker 16: guys that are trying to disrupt him. Now, and we'll

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Speaker 16: say this the one thing the Knicks don't have, and

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Speaker 16: this is if Indiana wins this series, he certainly.

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Speaker 15: Is going to get something different from Okac.

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Speaker 16: They the Knicks don't have the personnel to jam him

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Speaker 16: up in the back court. Mcal Bridges is a really

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Speaker 16: good defender. He's really long, he's great. If you give

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Speaker 16: him an isolation wing player to guard them, and that's

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Speaker 16: trying to take him off the dribble. When you're talking

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Speaker 16: about a point guard with that kind of lateral, I

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Speaker 16: mean straight ahead speed, that's mckail. Bridges can't do that,

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Speaker 16: So he's picking him up in half court or even

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Speaker 16: further back on his own defensive end. Now Tyres Aliburton

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Speaker 16: has a had a steam. They're not jamming him up

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Speaker 16: in the back court on the outlet passes to stop

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Speaker 16: his momentum.

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Speaker 15: They can't do it.

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Speaker 16: Anonobi's too big and thick like to move like that.

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Speaker 16: Brunson can't do it. So Josh Hart's probably the most

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Speaker 16: likely guy. If you just say, hey, man, just go

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Speaker 16: guard this guy in the back court, don't let him

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Speaker 16: get the outlet pass, and turn him a few times

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Speaker 16: up to.

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Speaker 15: Court, he would be the most likely.

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Speaker 16: But he's not even on the level of four different

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Speaker 16: guys that Okac has, So that's been a big problem

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Speaker 16: for the Knicks. Tyres Haliburton is able to get moving

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Speaker 16: down the runway and now it's too late to contain him,

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Speaker 16: and that's why you're seeing what he's doing to them

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Speaker 16: and just completely picking them apart.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to your legs, have fun with the finals.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining.

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Speaker 15: Us anytime, Dan, you got it.

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Speaker 2: That's Tim Legler, former three point shooting contest winner and

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Speaker 2: covering the Stern Conference finals in sight casts presented by

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Speaker 2: YouTube TV. And there was Scott Van Pelt every night

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Speaker 2: after those games, and he'll be covering the NBA Finals. Yes, Paul, I.

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Speaker 8: Got to tell you that Larry Bird's story by Legler

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Speaker 8: was a all timer.

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Speaker 2: Just a good shooting. That's it.

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Speaker 8: That's the greatest compliment you could get.

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Speaker 2: But just the fact that Larry's not going to have

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Speaker 2: small talk there. I don't need to shooters shooting and hey, hey,

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Speaker 2: my shooting. Then he walks off the floor. We'll take

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Speaker 2: a break. Who was it who had the great quote?

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Speaker 2: I forget who covered the Cowboys and they talked about

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest days that they ever had, and

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Speaker 2: the guys, gosh, I wish I knew the reporter's name,

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Speaker 2: columns name, but he said, oh, one of the greatest days.

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Speaker 2: Let's say his name is John Well, one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest days of my life. Tom Landry called me out

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Speaker 2: by my name. They called me Tom, not my actual name, John.

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Speaker 2: But it's one of the great days of my life.

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Speaker 2: So take a break back after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about Larry Bird today was on

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Speaker 2: this day, nineteen eighty Larry Bird beats out Magic Johnson

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Speaker 2: for the NBA Rookie of the Year. David in Ohio, Hi, David,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 14: Hey Dan, congrats on being grandfather again.

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Speaker 3: I had a question for you.

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Speaker 14: As you know, missus David in Ohio is expecting, and

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Speaker 14: I didn't know.

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Speaker 15: I was hoping I could get some.

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Speaker 16: I was hoping that you could give me a good

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Speaker 16: name for either a boy or girl.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the gender yet, Daniel Patrick Junior.

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Speaker 15: The third has been.

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Speaker 16: Vetoed, so but maybe I could get that from you

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Speaker 16: if you had any name suggessions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, David, what's your last name?

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Speaker 15: Dick?

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Speaker 2: What like thera shist like the raiser Shick? Dave David Schick?

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, Paulie, you got a name boy

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Speaker 2: or girl for David Shick.

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Speaker 8: I would tell him what not to do. Don't name

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Speaker 8: your kid Rick Shick never recover.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Todd, you got one?

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Speaker 10: How about Sean Sean Shick?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're not big on alliteration. Marvin, you got one?

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Speaker 2: Or Seaton got one? That? Uh?

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Speaker 6: Michael Michael safe sounds nice and clean.

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Speaker 2: Michael Schick, Mike Schick, Mike Shick's a little too fast?

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Speaker 2: Is a little too fast? Yes, you need to have

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Speaker 2: that pause in there, Michael Chick, Seaton got one?

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Speaker 7: Mm hm, Shick is interesting. I go with a family name.

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Speaker 7: What's your dad's name, what's your grandpa's name?

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Speaker 2: Joe Joe Joe Shick. What's wrong with that name? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: Joseph Schick.

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Speaker 7: He's running for assemblymen. If I'm not mistaken, Joe Shick

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Speaker 7: wasn't either. Former sheriff now he's going into Yeah, they're

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Speaker 7: dying on the side of the road.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sheriff Shick. Yeah, Joseph Sheriff. Good good luck with that, David, Yes.

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Speaker 10: How about Gillette? Just embrace it completely, just go all

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Speaker 10: two razor names.

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Speaker 2: Or like big SHICKI yeah, I think you could have

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Speaker 2: good luck, David. Good luck. It's always tricky with names,

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Speaker 2: you know, and and you know, my mother in law

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Speaker 2: didn't matter. There was always somebody whatever name you picked

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Speaker 2: out that she had. You know this this one died

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Speaker 2: in a tragic accident, or this one had a mole

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Speaker 2: on her note like, it was just all of these things,

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Speaker 2: no matter what. So we stopped telling her when we

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Speaker 2: were naming our kids, Yes, Marvin, and.

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Speaker 6: When you're having a baby, don't try to get too crave.

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Speaker 6: Because me and my wife we thought about, you know what,

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Speaker 6: we don't want people to make fun of our son,

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Speaker 6: you know, or mispronouncing his name when you have a

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Speaker 6: long name or something crazy, like the teacher in school,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna try to pronounce this right, Yes that's me, yes,

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Speaker 6: or yes that's me.

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Speaker 2: I think we've all been in a classroom where you

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Speaker 2: have that teacher getting ready to pronounce somebody's name and

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Speaker 2: you go, oh, this is not gonna end. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: not gonna end well. I had a few of those

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Speaker 2: in my high school class where this isn't gonna end.

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Speaker 15: Well.

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Speaker 7: Yes, my son goes to school with a bunch of

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Speaker 7: kids that are from overseas, and a lot of them

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Speaker 7: have very tricky names to pronounce, but then also have

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Speaker 7: an Americanized name, so it'll be like, oh, this is

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Speaker 7: like Kohey, so and so or whatever, but we all

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Speaker 7: call him Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, of course that's the name that that

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Speaker 2: you would have. It gets usually it's a derivation of something,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes it's like, wait a minute, your name is

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Speaker 2: that they call you Tom? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: known American? Yeah, everybody calls him Ben Yeah. But he's

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Speaker 2: from you know, yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 8: Remember that running back from Michigan. Tim Bia his first

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Speaker 8: name was actually like Tishamonga Biacapatuca, but he went by

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Speaker 8: Tim Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Andy and Rhode Island. We'll sneak you in here,

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Speaker 2: Hey Andy, Andy by Andy. Uh. We'll have a new

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Speaker 2: poll question coming up top of the hour. David Spade.

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Speaker 2: He's got a new stand up special ink a podcast

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Speaker 2: as well. Pacers at the Knicks and at Nicks are

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Speaker 2: favored by four in this game the pressure the celebrities?

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Speaker 2: Do the celebrities not show up tonight because they apparently

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Speaker 2: put too much pressure on the Knicks. But then the

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Speaker 2: celebrities went to Indiana? Should they have gone to Indiana

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Speaker 2: to put more pressure on the Knicks? Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 8: If you were a big time celebrity in New York

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Speaker 8: and you were offered row three, do you not go

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Speaker 8: because it's like a stamp. Let's see, you're a big

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Speaker 8: time but they only have row three left.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well if it depends on if I care about

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Speaker 2: how people are going to view the fact that I'm

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Speaker 2: in the third row. You want to get in the building,

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Speaker 2: you want to be part of it, great, you want

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Speaker 2: to be seen while you're in the building, then that's different.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Tod, just say you decided the last minute to

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Speaker 5: go to the game and that's what was left.

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Speaker 10: It's not because you were the third row B level celebrity.

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Speaker 2: But you might have to keep explaining that to people.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I would normally be in the game.

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Speaker 15: It's all good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just temporary.